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- Revisitation Rightspod: Welcome to the Revisitation Rights Podcast. I'm Pat. I'm Brandon. I'm Justin. You throwing up gang signs? I don't think we're allowed to do that. Nah, peace signs, man. I don't know. Yeah, you kids today. I don't know I don't know what any of that is. I mean there's a lot of gang signs in this movie we're about to talk about today. ⁓ man. Peace and love, man. Peace and love. I d I don't know if there was much ⁓ love going on in there. Well, at least peace love. Wow, the Well I was gonna say there was definitely love. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There was love in this movie. This movie was just street ⁓ street torture. This was all torture. It was a lot of love though. It was a lot of love. Just maybe not the love they wanted. And milk. And torture. So today's movie is hot. It does it does a body good. Yeah, the mouth boss. I'm like what? Now do you think that was almond milk? I hope not. Or cashew milk. What do you drink? Well they're British, so they're British, so you know, take a guess what they're drinking over there. Skim milk. Fucking skim milk is nasty. All right. Anyway, we're doing Clockwork Orange. ⁓ released in 1972, has a current IMDB score of 8.2 and is ranked number 118 with an 89.5 combined Rotten Tomato scores. It made $27 million on an estimated 2.2 budget, which with inflation is a $79.3 million return with a $6.5 million budget. And even that seems a little high. Huh. Log line is Real fucking simple for a log line, but it's Alex DeLarge and his Droogs, Barbara's Barbara. I'm fucking it's too late for me. A Decaying Near Future. Written by Stanley Kubrick based on and story by Anthony Burgess. Directed by Stanley Kubrick. Stari Malcolm McDowell, Michael Bates, Patrick McGee, and Warren Clark. ⁓ so number one eighteen. You guys think it belongs that high or lower? A lot of silence here. I gotta see. So I have to see. I think Space Odyssey is above this one, and I believe The Shining would be above this one. I would hope so. But I mean he's got so many great films, so I don't know. Yeah, I know we'll get to that later. I would put The Shining over this one too. For sure. Two thousand one by far is my favorite one of my favorite films of all time. ⁓ so to come from seeing that first to seeing this. It's and it's around the same time period. It's around the same time period. I'm like, yo. Yeah, not far. I'm like, yo, what is going on with this film? Maybe that was ⁓ one of those I do one for you, you do one for me kind of things. But so I also read, I guess, a little bit about Kubrick, and I guess, you know, he ended up doing ⁓ I think before this, he did ⁓ Lolita as a film too. So this is kind of also in his wheelhouse, the films that he would kind of take on with that's seen as like very controversial, because I know it was very controversial at the time. Being in nineteen sixty eight, what they were showing. I meant they didn't bear they you know, everything was out in this in this film on certain scenes. Everything. Yeah. Yeah, it was it was it man. Even if you look into the details, it's just like it's like why? That's I mean, even if you look at Eyes Wide Shut, like that was pretty what was that ninety nine, I believe, ninety eight, ninety nine? Something like that. Somewhere around there? Right before Yeah. Between it was definitely before 2000, so somewhere between like ninety six and ninety nine. For that time too, that shit was wild. But looking back to today, in today's time, I was like, maybe he was trying to trying to tell us something. Allegedly. Allegedly. I know, I gotta I gotta say allegedly now. One thing about Kruger too, he always poked at like elitism. You know, like he always he always poked at it. Maybe he ran in those circles. That's how he got all the that's how he got all the little knowledge. And maybe they, you know, maybe they kicked him out of the group. Who knows? Maybe he didn't have the baby oil. Well, you know, there's you know, there there's all those conspiracy theories about him and eyes wide shut and how we didn't get to see the ⁓ film and yeah, his his vision. Mm-hmm. But that's also none of my business. So Yeah, they cut the film too. Okay. And he was like yelling at the ⁓ at whoever was ⁓ working, I guess, that night. He's like, This is my film. ⁓ I mean it's I mean I was that was his last film, right? Yeah. Allegedly. You he's he's he's definitely one of the I think ⁓ I mean for me at the like I said, he's my favorite director, I think, of all time. What a last film too. Even after watching this? Yeah, I can appreciate he like even the you know, it was very aggressive, but he still had those elements that he had in his other movies in terms of like the composition and story building. It didn't feel rushed. I think like the set design, the decoration was all gorgeous. Like how this film just opens up. I'm like, you know, they're doing a straight pan out to the droogs in that that club. And then it, you know, it just kind of opens up with. All the L you know, everything that's around that club and was like, yo, this is actually really beautiful. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, everything that guy the compositions are crazy, obviously. And everything in the shot is purposeful, which is you know, always a a good thing. But I don't know. So one eighteen, do you guys in general? Nah. So now do you think it belongs on the two fifty? Nah. What is the argument what is what is the argument to make that it does belong in the two fifty? I don't think it's Chinese so I can't really I don't know. I actually never looked at the list. So when we do it randomly, that's it. I'm not I don't wanna look at the list and figure it out. So I'm not sure. I'm not even sure if the shining is on it, to be honest. Well but Pat, do you like this movie? See, I'm I'm I'm so technically this is my third watch. Okay. And it it was a I don't think I enjoyed watching it any any of the three times. I'm I remember watching it when I was younger and be like, this is some weird shit. Like I like weird shit and this is some weird shit. And then some years later I was like, you know what? I want to go back and watch it. I was like, maybe, you know, I was too young to like understand the ⁓ you know, the depth of it. Maybe I was missing something. And then I watched it again and I was like, I don't think I'm ever gonna watch this again. I was it's I mean, listen, technically the film is amazing. It's beautiful. Compositions, you know, movement, colors. I mean the acting was a little aside from ⁓ from Malcolm ⁓ McDowell. McDonald's McDowell. McDowell. McDougall McDu would ⁓ he the acting was a little weird, but I I mean that's expected in you know a film like this. But like set like you said, set design was crazy. Everything about it was great except the movie. And I was looking, you know, I I I generally do ⁓ look at everyone that's a part of the cast, you know. I'm seeing like, are they still alive, are they still dead? And the star, I like, ⁓ shit, this is the second movie I've seen him in, 'cause I only know him for being in that trash ass Halloween movies with ⁓ Rob Zombie. That's like where I first know him as, you know, Sam Loomis. I mean I like Rom Zombie, so I can't really ⁓ I mean I didn't like the Halloween. I didn't like the Halloween, but I I like the Halloween. What is the how do you say Rob Zombie ⁓ Halloween movie in I think it was like two thousand eight, two thousand nine. Cause I was in well, I'm not gonna age myself, but I remember when I saw it. I mean you ⁓ that's the whole point of the podcast, right? It's to age yourself. So nah, nah, nah. They still don't know how eighty seven years old. What is that what does your hoodie say? Halloween Horror Nights. Hosted by Rob Zombie. Hosted by Rob Zombie. He did have ⁓ he did have a house there, I think, in ninety nine. ⁓ but that was only in the California one. Which one was it? Was it the ⁓ the fuck of the I think it was maybe might have been like House House of a Thousand Corpses or something. That's that was it. Yeah. Universal, they get the actual properties from the license from the studios. So they build assets everything how it is in the movie. They don't it's not six flags, it's not that stuff y'all have up here in New York City. I've never been actually. You should. But I'm I'm also But I'm also thinking, ⁓ I'm I'm assuming with ⁓ some of the set designs, like with ⁓ the paintings in this movie, I'm I'm ⁓ assuming that these were hand painted, hand drawn for this specific movie. Because I'm like, who would have some of that artwork that was in this movie? Like the the milk? Like who's gonna put that in you know, like like who's gonna put that in their house? Milk. You know and then with the other lady? The art reminding me of like very abstract ⁓ art that elite people would own. Like the scene where he ⁓ the lady was calling the police and then he came in anyway and then he was fighting her with the Put it down, it's expensive. Put it down, it's expensive. You you know the AO piece. It's like, how much did you pay for that? And why did you buy that? For you know what I mean? Like, so it's even her art. Yeah. Even her art. Because when he went in there, he was like, the hell is this? He's a yo ⁓ my gosh, that's crazy. So like things like that, dude, like art one thing about the artistic aspect of the film was very abstract and stuff that ⁓ people with a lot of money would own that you wouldn't normally see. Which is like again, another poke at like the elite level. Like you guys own this type of art. You guys embrace this type of art, you know? And I can see even if he was a part of it, like that's the art that he kinda embraces and that's the art that he relates to. Very abstract, very different, out of the box. you know, Shock Valley type stuff. 'Cause that's like all his films too. Majority of his films to me were like initially f always first watch is always like Shock Valley. It's like to its respected theme, you know? In my opinion. Yeah. For majority. I think I think that's definitely what he goes for in a lot of his stuff is shock value. Yeah. Cautionary tales too. Yeah. Yeah. But I mean it but he see my my thing with them is a lot of his characters are just always so in every movie are just always so cold. Like there there's no warmth to any of the characters. Which I mean at Somebody in the film, even in Eyes Wide Shut, for instance, like Nicole Kidman's character, you would think would be, you know, the kind of like the ⁓ the warm voice of reason, and she just wasn't. Yeah, she was with the shits too. So it's kind of like, you know, like they they start leading you that way, and then it's like, nah, everybody's a motherfucker in this film. Literally. Yeah, and Yeah, and I remember I was ⁓ we were talking, I was like, I'm I'm just hesitant to watch this movie 'cause, you know, I'm hearing about the scenes. And I was thinking that I guess the scenes that were in there that were controversial was gonna be something different. I think I was assuming they were gonna actually stick something into someone. Mm-hmm. So I was preparing for that. So I was glad that I did not see that in the entire movie. But obviously the first scene that jumped out is they're in that old abandoned theater and the dudes are just tearing away at the woman. I'm like, and They played, you know, like everything is showing. And we don't even get that shit in movie theaters today. Like, how did they, I guess, allow for them to show this woman's entire body in this film? I mean, there's a lot of films like that though. Not anymore, I don't think. Not not mainstream, but there's there's plenty like that nowadays. 'Cause this was a big distribution film. Yeah. Just just not in the mainstream anymore. Like you you can go and see independent films and they do that shit all the time. New York City back in the eighties. But like you know that you you'll get some like TV shows that show it. You'll get some yeah the occasional R-rated ⁓ So this I I think I think out of all his films this would have been definitely film a film that I could see people walking out in the beginning. Like in real time when they actually saw this in the movie theater. Like, ⁓ don't want to see this. I don't know if that was like a real I don't think people were really that I guess offended back then. I was reading it was controv it was controversial when it came out. Yeah, everything is always controversial no matter what. But I don't I don't think people really like took movies literal. To the point like they do now. Where it's you gotta put a trigger warning for a fucking cigarette nowadays. So I I I don't I mean people I'm sure would walk out of it, you know, if it really affected them like that. But I I don't remember even when I was younger, I don't remember the we seen some wild shit in the theaters and I don't remember anybody ever walking out. Let's see. ⁓ I mean if people passed out to the exorcist and and and threw up and and all this stuff It's like Yeah, I mean it's you know, people stayed. You know. They didn't they didn't leave. It was like why did you throw up? I think more freaks. More people walk out of shit for ⁓ for it being bad than like gross and or gross. Yeah. I mean you're going to a Kubrick film, you know it's gonna be a little off to begin with. Is that a thing? Yeah, I think so. That's like going to like a Cronenberg film. Like you know you're gonna see some real squeamish shit. So If you're not into like body horror. Body horror. Like you know you're gonna see body horror. So you're gonna see like n you know, if somebody's cutting their fingernails, you're gonna see that shit close up and you know, with the that shit's nasty. Body horror is rough for me, man. I I skate and I I just I always relate whatever's happening in body horror to like a skate accident. And I'm like, ⁓ like it always just gives me the heebie jeebies. Yeah, body horror is not my ⁓ not my type of horror either. So Justin, ⁓ you were talking about ⁓ this film was poking f at the elitists. W what do what do you two think that some of the underlying themes in this film were that he was trying to I guess convey? I think the thing that I kind of took away was trying to institutionalize people. That and it's all it's all fun and games to the to the people in the top because It had like this entire like kind of like talent show assembly thing for his his chainings. Like they had like they had like the the spotlight. He was like he was like this. ⁓ The the the the guy was like, ⁓ yeah, yeah, I might I'm like like you know like kinda like beating the crap out of him on stage and and the elitist are like Yeah you know. I hope those are clean shoes. You know, my investments ten X, baby. See this? Look look different version of the purge. You know? Like look at him, he's not doing shit. And and look how much I invested, bro. And then his friend's like, Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know. So it's like the you know, what the underlying theme is like Cause Alex too, he he was like he was like a teenager or something like that in this film, right? Supposed to be. High school, like towards the end of pri whatever, primary school, whatever they call it. Yeah. Old enough. Yeah, hold enough. At the very least, like early tw you know, very early twenties, maybe not even twenty. ⁓ you know, and he's just like a a kid. You know, just like a random kid. And then he comes back home and like his parents are like, Yeah, like your room, like your your spots been replaced. Like, I I don't know what to tell you, man. Sorry about that. You know, it's like so and it's like those are the effects of like and like the society that they were living in anyways, he was like always rebellious of that society. So that's why he was like doing like this ultraviolet you know, ultraviolet stuff. And then also, ⁓ one of the types of milks that he mentioned in the very beginning, it was like Drenchrome or something like that, which is like supposedly this like adrenalized blood that elites ⁓ So you're talking about the baby blood that they drink? Yeah, that that that allegedly, allegedly. Allegedly. Allegedly. I love my life. Remember that. So like that's like another poke. You know, because that's like that's kind of like a real thing, adrenalized blood. So I guess that was like the the conspiracy theory term that they gave it. ⁓ so you know, he always poked. you know, little things like that. Like if you paid attention like his monologues, it was always like ⁓ very narcissistic and like towards Always kind of like towards a ⁓ a rebellious goal, it kind of like in mind. If if it wasn't talking about like whatever specific situation it was. Do you think they the violence in the film was like though the put do you think the message in the film was to condemn all the violence? Or do you think it just showed it in such like in such style that people didn't really grab that message that it was actually condemning violence? I don't think I took that away from this movie. Because I think that's what they said. He said was the one of the main principles of it was the condemnation of violence and how like individual violence is more horrifying than group violence, but institutional violence is way more evil because it's polished and it you know, they do it in the name of justice or whatever ⁓ they were talking about. So it's way worse. But it's not as unhinged and horrifying. But he I'm pretty sure he said the main message of the film was the condemnation of all the violence. Which I mean, I guess you can take from it, but was it done with such a style? Because it's beautiful, you know, every shot is framed perfectly. You know, everything like everything is like picture perfect that you don't really take that message from it. So it's a little Kind of Yeah, I feel like the picture the the the cinematography the the the picture tolerates that stuff a little bit because since it's so polished, it's so colored properly, so lit properly, it looks like a film. It doesn't look like a real life situation. Even though that situation is a real life. situation that happens to people. Some of the scenes, not all of them. Yeah, but like yeah, in l in like a general aspect. I mean I think everything everything could happen. Not not not not that scene after the record store. That was crazy. I think it could any anything could happen. That record scene sorry was crazy. I was like, yo. I mean listen, if he thought it out it could happen, right? You know, I was looking at I was actually looking at his his bed 'cause I was like, I kinda want that. That shit was fire. That aesthetic for the room would have been fire. What what's the matter? Your little Corvette bed don't work? Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Man, I want a core back. King size type that are you crazy? I'm I'm also thinking at the the end of the film because I'm like, all right, well after all that, ⁓ he's like, it didn't work. What's the message there? As long as it looks that many ways. Have it. The message I got from it was like, if it looks pretty, it's tolerable. So lipstick on a pig. Kind yeah, kind of thing. You know. But look how we're so artistic. And it's like, bro, three people just got beat up. Two girls just got violated. You know? But look at the shape. Two girls were also willing. Two girls were also willing participants. It's like allegedly. No, I wasn't alleged. Allegedly. That was that was not alleged. What was what was the term back then? They could have been slipped a Mickey. A cla a qua lude. The lewds. The lewds. But they were in a r they were in a record store, so w like they weren't they weren't drinking anything. Allegedly. I mean you go to record stores, they you know. Some of ⁓ serve. Could be could be a speakeasy. Yeah, we got some over here in Brooklyn. So All right, what any hot takes? I got I gotta I got a hot take, but I'll let you guys go first. So see, I I guess my hot take would would wanna s I would wanna say that this is probably at the bottom of his filmography, but I still have some other ones that I need to watch. I think I still need to watch Doctor Strangelove, ⁓ Full Metal Alchemist. But out of the ones that I've seen, I would probably put this at the bottom off rip. I I don't think that's such a hot take though, personally. I it it might be because it's on it's one eighteen out of two fifty. I know, but you know, people hold on to shit that You know, they just hold on to things. And you also forget, like, IMDB's been around a while, so it's a lot of older people that are voting as well. So they could have seen it when, you know, they were a kid and it kind of, you know, nostalgic purposes kind of thing. So you know y it's hard to really judge that. 'Cause I can I can still watch t ⁓ two thousand one any day. I mean it's a long movie and I think it's kind of intense. I don't think that mentally it's a movie that you can just turn on and watch, but from a synod ⁓ cinematography aspect, that film has not aged. Like it doesn't look like it's aged in terms of how we produce movies today. So I mean I think just from that aspect, it could probably still hold and stand the test of time for people who are really into movies. But I don't know if you're looking at this film from a cinematography aspect and then you also add on the story that it would hold up. Cause I'm also looking at that one and it also kind of talks about ⁓ artificial intelligence and you know we're dealing with AI. We're you know, so those themes I feel like a little bit closer. And I think that we are so I guess I'm trying to think of the right word, but we're so like we see violence so much that we're immune to it that it doesn't really phase us. Desensitize, yes. Yeah. Especially in New York. You've you know, you see people like you see in Clock where you step right over ⁓ Yeah. You know, so it's a b old guy. The old guy, and then he, you he got he got his l he got his his leak back. He did. That's why you gotta, you know, if you do that, you gotta keep, you know keep a little look back. You thought I was done. But then also I'm thinking, you know, ⁓ also like this is kind of that thing where, you know, he's he's been put in a, you know, an institution to help him and look at him when he comes out. Like he's a little different. He's just kind of trying to Get his feet back and you know, we can also relate that to many people who go in incarcerate to incarceration, go to jail, they come back and they're just lost. And he was literally just walking around the streets like I have no idea what I'm gonna do. I just got what they gave me after they discharged me and I'm just trying to find something. Yeah, it's disorienting. So I'll I'll take your hot take and I'll just raise it up one because it's along the same lines. I'll say this is probably the worst classic movie. I know that's a a little bit of a That's a very that's very broad. That's very broad because are you talking about on the two fifty or like what do you consider classic movies? In general. In general. So let's say if let's say there's like a hundred classic movies, right? So not everything on the top one on the top two fifty is a classic movie. So like we've done whatever, ten movies now. I'd say three of them were probably classics. Like I'm talking about like non negotiable class like considered widely as a classic. This is one of them. And No, no, that's not considered a class. I don't think it's widely considered a classic. This is a hundred percent considered a classic. Aliens or alien? ⁓ no no I'm about this movie here. ⁓ no I I'm sorry. I thought Justin was saying aliens. I think Alien Singular is considered a classic. I would say that's a classic. But we didn't get to that yet, right? We get we did Alien's. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I don't think that's a classic. My bad. My bad. But like I let's say you put let's say if this is in the top one hundred, like classics, it would be number one hundred. Damn. Like I personally wouldn't consider it a classic. I definitely think it's his worst movie by far. Not not not the not the worst looking. I mean it's here's the thing, right? It's really tricky because it's it really is a good movie. It's just not enjoyable to watch. So it's very easy to respect it. It's very hard to enjoy it. And that's why I would kind of just put it like even watching it for the third time, I was like, fuck man, I don't want to do this. I was like, I've seen it twice before, I know it. And I was like, nah, fuck That's you know part of the rules. I gotta watch it. I fucking sat through it. It it took me like three days to get through it. I was just like, I I can't. I was like, ⁓ it's a struggle. Yes. And I'm looking at you fucking weird. I'm looking at you weird if you're like, ⁓ this is I I like this movie. Like I enjoy this movie. I'm looking at you fucking crazy. No, it's listen, I I I can't really do that because it really is a good movie. Like all technical aspects are great. The stories interesting enough where it's not taking you completely out of it. It's just the off the wall shit that you know. So I I would kind of put it on which so if we want to compare it to something like more recent, it would probably I don't know if you ever saw the movie Kids. I've heard of it, yeah. The the skateboarding movie with the A and the A's and stuff, right? Yeah, yes. So I would like that was literally my age group. So that came out in like ninety five and the kids were like fourteen, fifteen. So in ninety five I was fourteen, fifteen. New York City, like New York City. So it's it was literally like I mean, I wasn't in like the skateboarding, you know, ⁓ whatever you call that. What do they call everything nowadays? A community. So I wasn't in the skateboard community at the time. A gang. A gang. Very much. But like, you know, I knew a lot of kids from school into that. Like, you that were skateboarders and shit like that. And that was a hundred percent like legit. Yeah. And like, so it's kind of similar to that, but not really. Like that was nowhere near as technical, you know, than this, but the story was better. So, and they're both kind of And it didn't really have like that off the wall shit that Clockwork Orange Like it had some some grimy stuff in there, but it wasn't like off the wall like ⁓ like Clockwork Orange was. And like I could I could still quote lines from kids today. That makes sense. Clockwork Orange, I don't think I'll ever pull up a random quote and use it in an everyday conversation. That's not a movie you just put on at a at a at a party at a barbecue in the background. Yo, let's watch Yo, it's fucking orange. Like, can you think of a quote? Bring the kids over. Bring the kids over too. Let's watch this milk scene right here. Everybody get glasses of milk. Daddy, daddy, what are you doing to that girl? Yo, like whoa. But even this ⁓ the scene where you know he had his eyelids. peeled open and they're making him watch the violence and they had another ⁓ assault scene in there too. Like, yeah, what the fuck? Yeah. I think it was more of a let me see how much shit I could throw in there. He was like it was filmed like professional city. The lighting w amazing. I I don't know, man. But can you can you literally go back and think of a line that you would quote from from this movie? ⁓ I mean I would have to watch it again, which I'm probably not going to. Maybe just the way Alex says Georgie, Georgie. But other than that, now so now compare it. Like if you were gonna say Georgie, would you say it the way he said it, or would you say it the way Pennywise says it in it? The 1990 version, yeah. Not the new one, but like the original. Even still, though, even still, I would choose the new Pennywise over Alex. See, so I I I don't know. I I I think it's definitely his worst movie by far. But I I think it's more of the wild shit that brings it down. Like I don't think it was fully needed. And I'm all for wild shit. And for me to say like something's not needed that's wild is wild in in and of itself. Like I I love throwing that shit in there, but even I gotta tap out at some point. Yeah, like I feel like maybe if you saw if if if Like that level of depravity was kinda really shown one time so you can get a gauge of like how s how crazy this crew actually is, then I would understand more. But over and over and over again he's just like Yeah, no, yeah, l nah, yeah, let's do it again. It's like it's like this is for like the fourth straight scene, bro. You know? Let's do it again. You know. I mean, and you know what it is? It's very repetitive. It's very repetitive, right? Yeah. Because like it's violence. He laughs, he smiles, he sings, he walks, he skips, very smug like. And then he does it all over again. And then he does it all over again. And then he does it all over again. So it's like, you know, there's gotta be more to it. And there just really wasn't. Yeah, like I guess some people could It's like, I don't know. It's just weird. It is like I mean, the show literally could have been a minute long. Like this fucking thing is weird. End of the episode. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But like But then all but then also, you know, we're also highlighting, you know, ⁓ outside of the story, it's it still showcases how great of a director Stanley Kubrick is. Yeah. From a technical aspect. Yeah. 100%. From the technical aspect. I mean that we could literally just sit and talk about the technical aspects all of the film and not bother with the rest of the stuff. But that's no fun. You know, I mean a film gotta be complete. And I and and I I always I always question too, like the type of person I feel like Kubrick was would be like, maybe he would hope that we don't like this film. Cause if we do, then it pinpoints like you know, something about our personality or something like that, that we relate to Alex or would relate to someone in, you know, in his in his group. You know? So that's something too I I th I I think about when I saw this, you know, I thought about when I saw this film. Like, would he want us to not like it? You know, was it purposely made for us not necessarily enjoy as a film? Like Like even how you said earlier, like a like a cautionary tale of how gruesome things can be if you So like a lecture? Maybe like a reenactment. Or foreshadowing. Hm. Two thousand one. I I I have to ⁓ see if I can find it again 'cause I was going down like a rabbit hole of just all Kubrick. Sometimes I get like infatuated with artists and I just go and I look at everything about them. So I found like a this is maybe like ten years ago. It's on Reddit. It was like a AMA with I think his granddaughter and his daughter. And they were kinda talking about, you know, what it was like to be cool, you know, how what was it like to have Kubrick in, you know, your house. He's like, ⁓ no, he was actually like a regular guy, you know, he would film and then he would come home, he watched Giants football and he was just like normal. But when he's on set, you know, he's very demanding. You know, there the the stories of him making people do multiple takes and, you know, he was just like really infatuated and dedicated to putting out the best type of film. So I would be interested to see what was his thought process with coming up with this film. Like just even pitching this to a studio and saying, Hey, this is the idea that I have. But then he's also, you know, he adapted it from a book. So I don't know, maybe I need to read the book and then maybe that'll give me a better understanding of what he was seeing and what he was trying to portray in this film. Yeah, I never read the book, so I can't I don't know how much he changed from the book. I never even looked into that aspect of it, but like I think a a good storyteller will make you relate to anybody, even if you're a complete opposite. So I I think you probably could you probably could find something to relate to Alex with. If you really There was that one scene. There was one scene I think we can all relate to. The the I forgot what scene it was, but it was a scene where he was everyone was watching him. I think we, you know, I think we that's ⁓ relatable to to every gender. Like, you know, impulse of thoughts. We're never gonna do that because we're not that crazy, but I could see us being able to connect to that everyone, at least once in their lifetime. I'm sure. Even the Pope. But no, I I mean like you connect with evil people all the time. Like in in film, like, you know, there's always something a good storyteller's gonna make you relate to something. ⁓ but I I don't know because with a lot of with a lot of 'cause a lot of his films, the characters are very they don't have that third dimension to them. They always have these always two two dimensional characters. You know, they're never like that one flat character. They always got a little something extra to him. But he kn I I don't feel he takes that third dimension t to to any of his characters, which I think it might be just a personal style for him. Because it's it's pretty prevalent throughout every single one of his stories. Like you really never get a full, full character. Yeah. W for for this one, they could have definitely fleshed out Malcolm McDowell's character. Like we could have seen how you got from there because we in the beginning we we see like a small glimpse of his parents and like, you know, he is from like a normal family. So where did you fly off the handle? Like we I we kind of are missing that. We're we're missing that. No normal family wears tidy whiteys. No, no, no. But this is the this is the sixties. It still doesn't matter. Yeah, you're not normal. Nah, there's no kind of normal. Are you saying you they they don't do tidies just to not have the stains? The stains? No, just just tidy whiteies is just the works. At least have some under like you know, a little Spider Man or something on him. He added over his pants too. Just plain white is no. No. This is some Spider Man, maybe some Thundercats. Batman Little Underman. The only scene that I thought was kind of goofy was the driving scene when they were all because it's like everything's like going by. There was like, I guess I could tell that they were doing that in the studio. What is this, bro? That one, like the beginning you could tell was in the studio and then they actually switched to the road. So that one part where they were in the studio, that looked goofy as shit to me for some reason. Does that take you out of a movie? Yeah, I think so now. You do? Cause after talking to you now, you nitpick every fucking movie. Now I'm nitpicking shit. That's point, right? You're supposed to nitpick. Things like that always took me out. Even like modern films, like if I see certain levels of CGI, I'm like. So like the Fast and Furious doesn't that shit doesn't take you out of the movies? I was like, all right, bro. Stop out, right? And just deal with whatever it is. I was like ⁓ I was like, honestly, it might it might have been more realistic if you're I think that's my internet that's all fucked up again. And did like a fucking To like the car door so it can break apart, you so you can grab it. Like it you know it cut me out. I was like, all right, man, like I'm over this. I I miss some movies though. Some movies though you know when you're going into it, you know what you're gonna expect. So yeah, if it's I'm talking yeah, if it's ⁓ about like fast and furious, you know that it's not gonna be like none of this shit makes any sense. It's a horror movie for the most part, it's a slasher film, then a lot of shit's not gonna make any sense. Yeah. Yeah. ⁓ you know. I don't know. Some of that stuff never like if I know like if it's something that's supposed to be realistic, I don't think it's gonna it'll take me out of it. But if I know it's like a slash movie, if if it's a movie movie and it feels like a movie It's ⁓ I'll just you know, I'll just shrug it off. Like it's not a big deal because you know, I poor man's process is not easy to do. You know, it's it's actu it's actually a really hard fucking thing to do correctly. So But like yeah, that that I don't know if I would nitpick on that. ⁓ Because you know, they didn't have the technology that we have nowadays too. So even if you look back at a lot of James Bond movies that weren't like some of them kinda look a little weird when they're driving. Yeah, I'm more lenient to that on older films. ⁓ I'm more I'm more tuned out to that stuff when it comes to like more modern films. When I when there's a certain like expectation, I guess, of realism. You know. I got a good one. What about fire? Fire and explosions. How cheap they look nowadays? Like you could tell you could tell it's visually designed fire. And it's crazy because it's so expensive, bro, to get that done. You better off start a real fire. Yeah, but I ⁓ so I I I did I I saw a tweet, I think it was like last week, and they were talking about, you know, the Spider Man trailer, how it broke numbers on YouTube and they were saying, Well, why does these films not look as good as they did ten, twenty years ago? And it's also like a representation of the VFX artists just don't have the time. So that's why everything looks so bad. Because they have the technology. They just are under such time constraints that they can't really put in the effort that they really want to to make it look good? Yeah. I I guess but then you have The biggest editing houses have like how many editors on s on ongoing? They're laying off a lot of people though. They're laying off a lot of no, they're laying off a lot of editors. A lot of VFX company. I think one of the top VFX companies just filed for bankruptcy. Because they're you know what it is? I think they're overworked. They are. So because of the way So I think we tal I think we talked about this off camera one time. Like I shot something and it was just a regular commercial. And They're like, no, you can't you get you can't we don't want shadows here, we don't want this, because we're gonna change the color of the cabinets and we're gonna change the style. What the fuck? I was like, what So they wound up in post, like we had to light it as an overall lighting, look real fucking dull, real just flat. Yeah. And then you go and look and it's all relit in whatever software they used and the cabinets were a completely different color. The hand, the knobs on the cabinets were a completely different color. And I was like, this is not what I shot. Like I don't like you the check. I don't like this. That's not the point though. Like it it's just not the point. Like that's you know, everything is fucking VFX. Like you can't like what was it? ⁓ in Superman they VFX the mustache off the guy? Yeah, the Snyder, the Snyder one, because they had to do reshoots when Snyder left. Like, come on. No. No. Like it it's that's why like people blame the cameras. They blame like they're too sharp. And so if you actually look at film, so like Sinners was on Fiveperf IMAX, right? So you can scan that probably at like ten or eleven K. And still get a pretty decent image out of that. I think some Oppenheimers were scanned at like 10 or 11k also. So film has the resolution. They just didn't have the technology back then to show it. Which is why a lot of a lot of older films look really great when they're remastered. Rescanned. You know, because they if they have the original ⁓ strip film print. you can actually rescan it properly instead of just up rezzing it and doing it digitally, like you know, some of ⁓ and you could see the ones that were digitally done versus the ones that were rescanned. Yeah, you could tell. There's like a like a like a sharpness kind of like haze of them. Like an over sharpness of it. Yeah. But like so the resolution's not the issue. The sharpness is not an issue because it's you know, the resolution is just as sharp on film. It just wasn't scanned that way. It's the lighting. The lighting and like a lot of it is unmotivated. Like I'm I'm no, we had this camera we had this discussion off camera today, too. Camera movement is unmotivated, lighting is unmotivated, and it's to kind of satisfy the current viewer. Because They're used to watching shit that just doesn't stop. Like cut, cut, cut, quick. So there was a I don't know if you guys I know we're way up past ⁓ fucking Clockwork Orange at this point, but we're done with Clockwork. Weird film. But like I don't know if you guys watched the film Goat, the kids' movie, Goat. No. So it was like produced by Steph Curry, it's like a basketball movie. Very like ADHD iPad generation movie kind of thing. I felt like I was watching a 90 minute music video. It's an anime it's an animated fucking movie and it's cut, cut, cut, speed ramp, cut, cut, cut, speed ramp all the way through. And I'm sitting in the theater, I'm fucking dizzy. I'm like, what the fuck is going on here? I was like, they they gotta stop. And then the next the next day I wound up watching Hoppers. So it's another animated movie, completely different. significantly better. Something with a made for a story with actual Well no GOAT had a story. Like it it I mean it wasn't a good story, but it had a story. Like it it was just the way the way it was done was like it was purposely done just to so these kids never their attention never goes for more than four seconds, goes anywhere else. So it's boom cut. ⁓ what's something new? ⁓ well ⁓ something new, something new, something new, something new. So like that movies never used to do that back in the day. Like If you're having a conversation and it's a deep conversation back in the day, like the camera's not shaking. The camera's not, you know, it might be pushing in slowly. It might be pulling out slowly, depending on the type of conversation you're having. It might even be circling around. You know, it might be doing something like that, but it's not shaking. It's not taking you out of the picture. Where today, like, you know, it's like they're going. As soon as you say something, camera cuts. As soon as I say something, camera cuts. Cut, cut, cut. Because then cut from this angle, then it's this angle, then it's this angle, then it's this, and they cut to something different all the time. And it's fucking annoying. That's that shit never was done like that back in the day. So that's you know, it's combination of the flat lighting. Jesus. ⁓ unmade unmotivated moving. Unmotivated. But like you're you're watching a movie and it's like, where the fuck is this green light coming from? Who has random green lights in their house? I don't give a fuck that it's a horror movie. Like, who has this random green light sitting in their house? You can turn your backlight green now if you wanted to. I could have. That would have been actually some pretty cool fucking ⁓ D light. I guess. All right, so who has fucking aperture 400s fucking shooting color or 80s shooting color? Nobody has fucking using apertures as overhead lights. Not someone yeah. Yeah. So like that shit just that's why sh it just looks bad. And like I think me and Brandon were talking about it about how like McDonald's looked different. Was it me and you that were talking about that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's very corporate now. It's very just you can if if McDonald's leaves, someone else can come in and they can use that as like a residential office space, ⁓ law office space. You know what's crazy about that? There's a Wendy's right by me. And it had like the old fashioned kind of like red brick look. They they live they're doing construction currently right now. And I wanna say like a good thirty to forty percent of it is like grayed out, kind of like that new modernized look. That flat yeah. That's upscale kind of look. That's and and so e you know, going back to what you said, Pat, that's one of the reasons why I love Kubrick's films is because it's not cut, cut, cut, cut, cut. Like he really does a lot of intentional work with this camera where he'll just stay on a scene. I think I remember I believe it was Eyes Wide Shut where there was a scene where Nicole Kim and she was getting dressed and it was in her room and then you just see like the slow pan while she's just moving back and forth and I'm like This is beautiful. It's setting up, it's establishing everything. You just see the entire environment. Yeah. And it allows you to be there versus it's cutting from here to here to here to here to here to here. Which also I think we've had a conversation. I think some of the cutting is also to mask around sometimes when actors might not have their lines the correct way. And like, ⁓ I thought that was good, but then when you're in post production, you're like still ⁓ I'm guilty of that too. I you know. I am I'm in I've I've done that too, where you gotta do what you gotta do. You gotta cut around to make you gotta cut around to make the product the best. And you also and you also wanna look you also wanna make your actor or actress look the best. Look the best on camera. Yeah, a hundred percent. Like, you know, I'm I'm guilty of that. I I know that. But like, you know. Everybody's also indie filmmakers. We're also indie filmmakers, so we don't have the budget of what someone would do to be able to take the entire day to actually flush it out to have rehearsals and reshape. We got like eight hours maybe on set. To get it done. So even e even even the Netflix and the A twenty four babies, they they're laughing. They would if they'll probably watch this laugh and they'd be like, Yo, we do that too. It's crazy. Yeah, I mean you and I love A twenty four. I love A twenty four. Yeah, we love you guys. We've turned a rom com into a rom drum because the comedy was a hitting. We had to cut around and turn it from a comedy to a drama. Change the tones. Like it was bet it Took us like five and a half months to recut it into a drama. Jesus. Because we we cut it exactly how they wanted us to cut it. And it was just like it's just not funny. That's straight window. It's not right there, though, dude. Like it doesn't land, it doesn't do anything that it does. So then I kind of brainstormed with the editor and we're like, all right, maybe, you know, maybe let's try it as a drama. We'll we'll cut it a little slower. We'll we'll stay more on You know, one person as the other person's talking will stay with her reactions, you know, we'll stay with this person's reactions, that person's reactions, instead of cutting back and forth, let the drama build. And it came out way better. So unfortunately, like, you know, you have to do shit like that sometimes, which it's you know, it's understandable, but you know, it's not intentional. You know, we didn't intentionally set out to do that to keep attention, as opposed to, you know, having to do it out of a necessity. Yeah, it it's it's it's sometimes when you look at films and and you're probably questioning at times why do they do this? And then it's like we've done this, all three of us have done this where we're cutting something and then we're saying, We had to do this to make it look like the best product, but we had other things that we could have used that look way better. We loved it, it just didn't fit with the story, so we have to keep the continuity, we have to keep that story, we have to keep everyone engaged the way that, you know, we're trying to reach out to the audience. So we gotta take this out, take this out just to get the job done. Yeah. Even with small things, like when I first started like doing quick recap shoots and stuff like that, I would look at this particular shot and I'm like, I'm like, if I add this shot, it'll be too much. You know, it it it's it it'll be like a little overkill to add this shot. I already have a couple things that also got this ⁓ that I also really liked, but I'm like, damn. You know? So I would kinda have to just kinda let it go, you know, because it doesn't fit the overall, you know, reel or like whatever deliverable I had to send out. So Yeah, it happens all time. And that's that's actually why, like, you know, people like ⁓ Kubrick, like even David Fincher. Like, as many takes as he makes people do, that shit is everything is intentional. You know, so he's just not purposely like you watch a David Fincher film and there's a green light. There's gonna be a reason for that green light. It you might like let's say that you know it starts in an apartment and you see a green light there, whatever, you're what the fuck is that green light? Blah blah blah. And then it go he goes down, maybe he's driving, and then you see a fucking building with a green light right there. So everything in there is, you know, motivated somewhere. Yeah. We just we just don't get that nowadays. And which is crazy because the budgets are higher than ever on on certain films. You know, there's no more like mid-budget films. Like they're those things are pretty much gone. But for like bigger budget films, there's no reason for any of that to just be generic. Well and yeah. It sucks. I guess it's because that level of storytelling or like the amount of like breathability he le he you know he would leave in frames and stuff like that where today's editors we usually just like cut it 'cause it's like, all right, this is redundant, you know. Or too slow. Yeah. You know, every I feel like 'cause like my biggest ⁓ critique that people would give me is my videos would be too long. And a part of it would be because I would add too much stuff. And then once I kinda like weeded that stuff out and kinda like learned how to not do that no more, I still stuck to like longer frames, kind of like setting setting everything in stone as terms of like why I wanted this why I wanted this much of this frame here, this much of this frame there. And the feedback would be like, it looks great, but too long. And it's like, all right. And now we do the chop, chop, chop, chop, chop method to be like, I love it. Thank you so much. I'm like, okay. Yeah. You know, so I I feel like that is kind of like that's like universally happening to all of us. From the indie filmmakers to the amateurs, all the way to the Netflix and the A twenty four, you know, DPs, directors. Producers, etc. It's that dopamine hit. Yeah. You get something new every three seconds, right? What do they I know you do music videos still. What's a what's the music video cut now? Every three to four seconds? Or less than that? I mean, depending on which genre, if you do like a quicker rap, like hip hop rap, man, maybe like every half second to a second. Depending on depending on if you wanna let like a certain bar breathe. Like with more lyrical rappers, that's probably how it's Every you know, three to four seconds, maybe two seconds. ⁓ but to get people's attention maybe like every half second to like a second and a half, two seconds is the longest. I mean, as much as we don't like it, you know, that that's an actual art form in itself. Yeah. Unfortunately decisions too I maybe exaggerating with with the two seconds, but like, you know, it's it's it's it's low. It's you know, under five seconds for sure. upsetting. As a storyteller, you know, because like you mentioned the Nicole Kidman shot from Kubrick where, you know, and it's just pulling out and every time you ⁓ every time you go back, there's something new in the frame being revealed, kind of thing. And ⁓ Jordan Peel does that really well too. He fills the frames with, you know, little Easter eggs, things that are intentional. And then when he pulls back, you start to notice more details and You know, there might be a certain like like in us, there were certain books on the shelf. So it starts at the TV and then as it pulls back, you get to the bookshelf and you're noticing books on the shelf that have to do with the movie. Yeah. So it could have just threw that as an insert. It could have just panned there. It could've did that. But he stood there, focused on the what was that? The ⁓ We Are the World campaign or Nut The Hands across America? And then as he's pulling back, you start to see everything in the in the room. And then If you go back and watch the movie a second time, like all that shit makes sense. It all ties into the film. Yeah. And you know, it's it's very rare to find a filmmaker like that nowadays. Like I would like I don't I would almost say I would want to go back and watch ⁓ this again just from the cinematography aspect because I do like certain shots. Like I think the dinner scene, one of the dinner scenes where they're panning off and they're coming over here. Yeah, they're doing the off sensors can. Yeah, that was beautiful. ⁓ obviously, I mean anything slow pan was beautiful. And then like I would just like go back and honestly like just study the set design. The color like the colors, the the the motivation behind where he placed everything. Like that first ⁓ that first couple's house they went into, yo, that crib was they the slow pan to to the lady coming. I'm like, I'm like, yo, that couch is fire. Where can I get that couch? ⁓ my gosh. I'm like, You're gonna see that couch in the background next. You're about you're about 15 years ⁓ too young. I'm like, no. I'm like But even the fight scene, even the fight scene was cool, you know? It was like they were really going at it. Yeah. Yeah, and it it wasn't shot with that close, you know, close hand to hand combat style like they do now. Like you were actually able to see, you know, w who was throwing what. Like you just didn't see f you didn't see just fists flying at you know, so yeah, some some of the films I'm watching, I'm like, what who who threw that? Who hit him? But you know, it's just levels to the filmmaking and his level just happens to be significantly above, you know, everybody else's. Yeah. He was really obsessed with being a great filmmaker. And that's the thing like that. I do I do really love and appreciate how Easter you know, how he appreciates like Easter eggs and how he always includes them in films to where like you know, people will start making YouTube videos, be like, I just figured this out ten years after. You know, and it's like it's like damn to have that much of an impact. Even on such a film that was like not really enjoyable to people, you know, like there's still probably Easter egg tag. You'd be like, No way, bro. You know? ⁓ And that's like across all his films. People still talk about Eyes Wide Shut. People try to compare him to Epstein and all these ⁓ you know, elite meetups and all this stuff. And it's like this, you know, this movie came out before two thousand, you know? So a lot of his films, ⁓ I would say are are just are timeless as a whole. It's a very timeless filmmaker. Yeah, I l listen, ⁓ like we th isn't it's not a bad movie. It's just not enjoyable. This thing, like it's it it's just not enjoyable. Like it's damn near perfect looking. You know, technically it you know, I mean that's pretty much all we could say about it is technically it's amazing. It's just not an enjoyable film. It was very weird. It was very weird. Then I mean it happens, like I'm not the biggest Tarantino fan, but technically his shit is usually amazing. I'm not a fan of his, you know, a lot of his writing. I I think people kind of give him a little too much credit when it's just basic back and forth and throwing a random, you know Motherfucker. The random line here and there, you know, shit like that. And then people like, ⁓ shit. They were talking about this at a diner. Like, all right, you know I get it. It's random. You know, it has nothing to do with it's just normal everyday conversation. You know, it's it's nothing crazy, which he does really well. It just, you know, people kinda overrate it. But same thing, like he's very technical, he's a great visionary, you know, shit like that. So ⁓ we don't get a lot of them anymore. And I think You know, once a lot of those film because modern filmmakers are not, they make the shit look pretty and that's pretty much it. But it's like everything is underexposed, like I said, unmotivated, everything. So like once this group of filmmakers stop, so you have maybe fifteen, twenty filmmakers really doing the work, the work where you're obsessed with it. You plan every detail, you know. I mean everybody plans every detail, you have to, but like to a certain level. So like you got Fincher, even Del Toro's great with it. what's the guy that does Dune? ⁓ Denis, Villanova. Yeah. Villanova. Villanova. The the Villanova Knicks. ⁓ got Tarantino Fincher, you know, all the all a little bit of the older guys, Corsese. But even him but even him Yeah, I just think his writing is not I think that's holding him back. But he's a great visionary. I don't think he does the I would think Peel is a little better, personally. With regards to like technical shit. I I think like Spike Lee. You know, I I don't think he's a very technical visionary. ⁓ very technical filmmaker, Spike Lee. But he's a great visionary. He's one of my favorites. Outside of the last one, of course, but Yeah. I mean he he I mean if you really look at his disc ⁓ filmography, I think he's got like twenty, twenty five, twenty six films, something like that. I think he really only missed on three. And I think that's a better ratio than anybody else. Personally. Yeah, he has a lot of good films. Yeah. You know, I mean this last one I I don't I definitely would count as a miss, but he almost walked out. Like I I'm telling you, I've never been so upset at a Spike Lee movie than that. Once I saw the LED screen background, I was like, nah. I was like, this can't this is not the spike I know. That that's not the spot that's not the spike I know. No. That is not the spike I grew up loving. There's no budget cuts to do that. It can't be budget cuts because it's funded by ⁓ Apple and A twenty four. So they are pretty much an open bank. And you're you live in the city. I'm sure you have access to apartments like that. I've seen him in Brooklyn, like downtown Brooklyn, just out there just drinking coffee. Just hanging Yeah, you can sublease one for a month. Yeah. Like you there's access to it, especially with that type of budget, you can rent that for a month. Forty, fifty, sixty thousand. That's nothing for the budget. I know a couple DPs that would have subleased their apartment. What? They would have been like, what? Spike Lee movie? Maybe ASAP was maybe ASAP was busy. You know, he's he was probably finishing his album. But but for some like he's not that type of filmmaker. I don't understand why he would do something like that. Like that kind of threw me off. And then I I think kind of after that I was like, you know what? I don't I kind of checked out of the movie. Because there was like two or three different scenes in the early on where it was just like, nah. Denzel running. Hopping over the turnstile. You know, that kinda looked like De Niro in the Irishman when he was kicking a guy on the floor. Yeah. So like he looked he looked like forty year old De Niro, but he moved like eighty year old De Niro. And I was just like, nah, Scorsese's not that type. Like I the same thing. Like that kind of that was one of the instances that kind of threw me out of that movie with I mean, aside from the length of the movie, which would would have been a really great movie, it just The D aging. It just took me out of it. Which sucks because I actually like the Irishman and I I probably would like highest and lowest if I go back and watch it like with an more of an open mind, but instead of two of my favorites, you know, collaborating again, and I love Jeffrey Wright. So him in there too is like ⁓ stop, stop. No, I'm saying in the movie. In the movie. ⁓ yeah. In the movie. Yeah, yeah. That's what I'm saying. Like I've never seen him that bad before. And that that shit like really hurt my soul because he's one of my favorites. And I'm just sitting there like, all right, so let's say you got probably two of my favorite ten actors in one film, and then one of my ten favorite directors making it. I was like, Well, I was pre ordered that shit like a month in advance of tickets. Pat's driving home after the movie, just quiet, just sound off, windows down, just pissed. It was so quiet on the on the drive home. I look at her, she looks at me, she's like, Did we just I was like, Yeah. Yeah, just don't worry about it. Don't want to talk about it. I'm gonna go home. Yeah. Go to sleep. And how long was that movie? Like three and a half hours or something like that, right? Whatever it was, it was too long. I remember three hours and twenty-something minutes or something like that? I could be really like that's thing. Like you make stuff like that, and it's like can something like that take you out of the conversation where Kubrick, as bad as a clockwork orange was. It wasn't as technically like it was technically perfect. You're still kind of tuned into the movie, even though it's kinda weird. You're just like, ⁓ what's what's gonna happen next? Like you've never checked out of one of his movies. Like you've never checked out of a Fincher movie. So it's kinda like, you know, can you really if you're making somebody check out of a movie and I understand he didn't write the script, you know, so you know, people like that get a little if you if you don't write end direct, you kinda get a little more leeway. But ⁓ on the directing end because you didn't write the script. But if you are writing and directing and you make me want to check out, it's it's a problem. And that's why I kind of give Spike a little bit of leeway on that one because he didn't write it, but he had a hand in it. So he definitely had a hand in that script. Yeah. But like this as as much as I've seen Clockwork Arnold Street Times now, as much as I didn't want to finish it the third time, I finished it. And like I mean I I shut it off three times two times to watch it, but but it was more because of like I've seen it already and like I know I didn't like it to begin with. So I pushed through it a third time. Cause I didn't flip last time I watched it was like I say probably like maybe twelve years ago. ⁓ sure. Probably two thousand ten. So I think I saw it for the first time in like ninety nine, maybe ninety nine and two thousand. And then I watched it again maybe like ten years later. So probably two thousand ten. No, when did I move into the house? So 2012. So I watched it in twenty twelve. So thirteen years ago. Fourteen years ago, something like that. And then now. And I I don't think I would ever watch it again. I might watch it one more time, not for the plot at all, but just to study. Because I study, you know, there's there's certain directors, certain cinematographers that I study and Kubrick is like at the top. So I would be looking at the camera movements. looking at s the sound design, ⁓ the acting was kinda okay in this movie for me. It didn't like stick out. But I like I going to what you said, I don't think the actors outside of maybe Shelly and ⁓ and Jack Nicholson and The Shining. Mm-hmm. I think outside of those and okay. Nicole Kimm and Tom Cruise, more infatuated with like I guess the story aspect and the design of the film more so than like I'm connected to these actors. Yeah, I don't think he I don't know if he was like a performance act like director. Like 'cause I don't I don't think you really got a stand out, standout performance other than the shiny. Tom Cruise is okay. Yeah, Tom Cruise is good though in that too. Yeah, Tom Cruise is okay. Nicole Kidman, she's I mean, but they're usually decent to good in anything anyway. Like they're at I mean, they've always been at that level where they're good in just about everything. Like they're not gonna give like a bad performance. Mm-hmm. Yeah. You know, and I just aside from Jack Nicholson and ⁓ what's that, Shelley Duval? Yeah. I don't think he has like a standout performance of like any actor. The story outweighs the actors. A hundred per that and Jack Nicholson was a huge one because I I remembered him before I even even thought about who was directing that movie. You know, just by that iconic picture of him through the door, smiling through the door. Yeah, so ⁓ that ⁓ I watch it again? Would you watch it again? What the shining? The clockwork on no clockwork ⁓ Maybe for technical purposes, like maybe to see how How a certain scene was played out or how it was shot, but not a full movie. Like, yo, yeah, let's watch Clockwork Orange. Party at my house, Clockwork Orange party. Yo, I or Yeah, you're not getting anybody showing up. Yeah. Movie night. We'll come on Zoom. ⁓ yay! No. Yeah, no. I I think it's definitely one of those films where you As a filmmaker, I think you need to watch it. Like to get a lot, cause like there there's nothing more you can say about like the technical aspect of it. It's literally a perfectly made film. But like as some like someone on my side of it, like a you know, like a writer, I think that's something you have to steer clear from. Would you put this in the same ⁓ category as maybe Align this with maybe like Requiem for a Dream where it's something that you have to watch but you wouldn't return to it. So I've only seen Reclaming from a Dream once. I never had a desire to go see it again. Right. ⁓ So no, because I I think for this one you can pick up I think you probably would as a filmmaker you would learn more from from this film for this than than Requiem for a Dream. But I think as like a film fan, I think it kinda along similar vibes. ⁓ gives you similar, yeah, similar vibes to where you don't really want to watch it a second time. But like I think it's on the top two foot I think it's on the top two fifty too. But like there's something like I don't know if you saw Ironclaw. Yeah. So like that's something I don't want to watch again. That shit was sad as fuck. Yeah, like why the fuck would I want to watch that? Like I saw I saw it once. Ruim might never Yeah, it's like it fucked up like I don't want to go to what the fuck. No, I didn't want to watch it life choices. So I didn't want to watch it again. I didn't want to watch it again, but it made me do a deep dive into that family because I'm grew up watching wrestling. They were part of the WWF, which is now in WWE. So I kinda wanted to go in hear about the backstory because i if you start to really go down the list of wrestlers, like that shit is all very tragic. Like you know, I go back and I watch a lot of WCW videos in WO and like half of them are dead. And they're not eighty, seventy. I mean some of those guys died when they were thirties, forties, fifties, drug overdoses, you know, cancer like it's crazy. So, you know, obviously I'm more connected to that, then I guess I would be more so than going back to just like watch the ECW wrestlers too, man. The ECW wrestlers, they were more they did way more extreme stuff. So they were more, I guess, like hungry for you know, for pay. Yeah, I mean abusing your body. Bro, you so you gotta take some stuff to ease the pain. ECW is absolutely insane, bro. I mean Mick Foley is what, 60? And he said that he is doing public speaking now to keep his brain sharp because he thinks he might be having ⁓ early signs of dementia from all those hits to the chair, falling off of fucking cages and all that. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So would you guys recommend this film? If you're a Cinephile, yes. Yeah. So it's on the must watch list for a Cinephile. Yeah. At least once. At least once. Okay. I would say I would say at least twice so you can really take a look at the cinematography and 'cause like I feel like the first time you'll just you'll you'll miss it. Be weirded out. Yeah. I feel like a majority of people will be kinda like they'll have to rewind it to like pay attention again. 'Cause they'd be like, All right, this just happened. Let's now let's look at the technical side of things, you know? Cause it it cause like little things do like in in the the first couple when he was holding on to the lady, the small things it was w weird. It's really like skeeved me out because like I'm thinking of like not even of like the situation, but like on set, you know? Like his hand like digging into like her butt. I'm like I'm like, yo, bro, this is crazy. Leaving the nail marks. I'm like, bro, I'm about to rip her pants, bro. I mean, I I I I I I guess that was their goal. But what you know, but damn. Like fuck. You know, so it was even even for you know, even for a student of film, you know, it it's gonna be a tough watch. So now this is both of your first watches. ⁓ did it live up to the hype? Not for me. So I know I know you were worried about watching it. Yeah, I was. I was scared. I was terrified. I was terrified. So did it live up to that hype? I don't think it did, because it goes back to us being so desensitized. Mm-hmm. And I watch a lot of horror movies and that has just off the wall batshit crazy violence. So I'm thinking that it's gonna be some intense crazy shit. And I don't feel that this movie went up to some of those depths that I see in some of my movies. But those are more you know they're slasher, right? So you know it's a horror movie. But some of those some of the some of the horror movies, like ⁓ I think so one of the hor like the horror movie that still kinda gives me creeps that I am kinda queasy to watch is Wolf Creek, which I'm not sure if you've ever seen that. Mm-hmm. Based on a true story. Mm-hmm. And it's a slasher film. But like it's like I saw that and I had to stay up for a little bit. I like, I I Turn the lights on. You know, I'm peeping out the window. I'm I'm shadow boxing. Yeah. Just get ready. You know, you know what's funny? Like, I think everybody has like a movie like that where like you you watch it and then you're creeped out. So like it didn't creep me out at all, but we went to see Blair Witch opening night. Shout to UCF. Oof. ⁓ where was this? This was ⁓ in flushing. They had a movie theater and it was there was no parking at the time because it was like a brand new movie theater. So like they were still doing construction and the movie theater was packed. So we wound up parking at a a bowling alley. We parked at a bowling alley across the highway. So you had to go under the underpass and go into the bowling alley parking lot. So we went to the last show, it was like eleven fifty. And it was just me and like and like two friends. So we were probably like eighteen, maybe nineteen when it came out and So we got out at like two, two o'clock from the movie. And we're walking under the bridge. And then it's quiet. So, like, you know, Shea Stadium is like right here, but it's 2 a.m. So, you know, there's a couple cars going on. So we're walking through, and all of a sudden, out of nowhere, just fucking screams and it echoes underneath the underpass. We're fucking nervous. We're looking around. There's not a fucking single person around. There's not cars going over, just screams. We all look at each other, fuck boom. Just took just took off right to the fucking parking lot. I've never watched Blair Witch again. Wow. Never watched Blair. I don't know what the there was literally nobody around. Like not a single person. It was just us three walking. Nobody on the other side. I'm gonna send you some holy water, bro. Nothing. And that was it. Done. We just fucking took off. We sat in the car. We were just like, all right, I'm gonna drop you guys home. I was like, we're not going to eat. I don't know what the fuck that was. Dropped him home and then that was it. I drove home like this the whole way. I was like, nah, something I don't believe in that shit, but something You you you unlocked, you opened the portal. I don't know what the fuck happened. And it's funny because then like a couple years later, ⁓ I took Melissa to see strangers, the original strangers. And she's not a horror fan. Like she hates horror because she doesn't like to be scared. So we're watching it. I was like, ⁓ it's not gonna be that bad. And then we're watching it. And like we, you know, we go on trips like that. So we go to like cabins and we go to like humble brag. No, I'm just saying, like, that's not a humble brag. That's a cheap ass vacation. But you know, like we'll go to the lightning vacation. But like in this economy. All right. But like we'll go to like you know, like like North Carolina or something, like on the You the outer banks and stuff, take the dogs and shit. ⁓ yeah. But a lot of but like a lot of those houses, sometimes they're tucked back. Like, you know, obviously we can't afford beachfront property. They're very separated. They're very separate. So it's like some of them, you know, they're surrounded by woods and everything. So I remember she's like, I was like, ⁓ can you ⁓ like I was I was with the dogs outside, I was like, ⁓ can you just throw out the garbage on the side? You know, we gotta throw it out before she's I'm not going out there. So like it's pitch black. I'm not she's like, the strangers. And this is like ten, fifteen years later after we seen the strangers. So she wouldn't go outside. We were living in like in an apartment at the time, but like the house was like a main level. Like we had the main level of the house. And like she wouldn't go on the side of the house at night. She wouldn't take the dog for a walk at night for at least three months. Like she was legitimately freaked out over strangers. Because it was just people to a cabin. Like that's all it was. And like, you know, that can probably does happen. One one series one series that creeped me out a little like that was the ⁓ collection series, the collector. The ⁓ the exterminator. That guy kind of creeped me out because not for what not because he was like big and scary and the mask. It was because the fact that he his day job was a normal exterminator. So he would be able to scope out your entire house, set booby traps. And he is a smart, meticulous man. So if he knew someone was hiding, he's gonna let spiders out. See, like if 'cause they'll the you know, 'cause he's gonna see if they're gonna crawl towards like so I'm like, yo, this brainiac is insane and he has you know, and he's bloodthirsty. So I was like that kind of you know I was like that put me on edge for a couple of days. I'm like, man I was like, ⁓ we I was like, ⁓ we got we got spiders. Don't worry about it. I'll kill them all. We're not hiring. You got the flamethrower for the fucking spiders? Nobody. I was like, I'm near exterminator in this damn house. I'm like, that's it. I learned, bro. That's it. I got raped. All right. ⁓ So that was a weird episode. We did like ten minutes of clockwork orange. Yeah. I mean it's really nothing there's really nothing you could actually say about that film. I mean, it's technically amazing, very fucking weird. Like that's it. Yeah. Like there's really nothing to go into. I mean We don't want to go into detail to this ⁓ actual scenes because it's like, okay. Yeah, that's I mean, it is what it is. Right. Revisitation rights podcast and Pat. Brandon. Justin. Done.