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HELLFIRE: MONIQUE TEPE, HUSBAND, SHOT 16 TIMES, HIT FACE, CHEEK & THROAT · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Hell Fire, Monique Teppi and husband shot sixteen times. Monique
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Speaker 2: hit in the face, the cheek, the throat, and more.
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Speaker 1: Apparently, according to police.
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Speaker 2: Vascular surgeon doctor Michael McKee, her ex husband from almost
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Speaker 2: ten years ago, unloads a magazine on Monique and Spencer
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Speaker 2: as they lay in their bed. When I look at
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Speaker 2: her beautiful face and think of him standing over the
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Speaker 2: bed in the middle of the night, the wee morning hours,
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Speaker 2: unloading a magazine into the face of Monique Teppi. Hell
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Speaker 2: hath no fury like what victims' rights and families are
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Speaker 2: feeling all across our country tonight. I Nancy Grace, this
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Speaker 2: is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being
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Speaker 2: with us. Monique Tepi was shot multiple times, not just Spencer, Monique.
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Speaker 1: As well for children in the next room.
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Speaker 3: You begin to think about what kind of injuries they have.
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Speaker 3: We need to know what the range of fire is.
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Speaker 3: You have multiple gunshot wounds. This is going to be
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Speaker 3: a bloody mess.
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Speaker 4: Monique is shot more times than Spencer. Nine gunshot wounds
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Speaker 4: to the upper body, including a bullet to the head
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Speaker 4: hitting Monique in the right cheek, and three shots to
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Speaker 4: her right chest, all clustered together. Monique also suffers bullet
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Speaker 4: wounds to the right side of her torso, right forearm,
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Speaker 4: right hand, and two shots to her left upper arm.
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Speaker 1: This is a lot to take in.
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Speaker 2: Yes, I know it's bad enough that they're both shot
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Speaker 2: as they light in their beds, their children on the
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Speaker 2: other side of the wall, but now to know that
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Speaker 2: he allegedly disfigured her face in this way. Elena Mandenburg
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Speaker 2: joining us investigative reporter for The Mirror, The Irish Star,
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Speaker 2: the Express.
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Speaker 1: Elena, what do we know? And we're learning this from.
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Speaker 2: The autopsy it's called the coroner report there and it's
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Speaker 2: very disturbing. From the Franklin County Forensic Science Center. What
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Speaker 2: have we learned, Tony Elena.
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Speaker 5: Well I said before Monique Tepe shot nine times, while
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Speaker 5: Spencer Teppe was shot seven times, sixteen bullets between them.
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Speaker 6: The Franklin County Office of the.
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Speaker 5: Coroner determined that Monique Teppy was shot once in the face,
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Speaker 5: three times in the chest, twice in the upper left arm,
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Speaker 5: and once on the right side of her tour so,
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Speaker 5: once in her right forearm, and once in the hand.
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Speaker 5: Gunshot wounds of head trunk and extremities with visceral, skeletal
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Speaker 5: and soft tissue injuries, says the report. The report also
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Speaker 5: added that the autopsy in the autopsy, they were able
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Speaker 5: to recover two bullets and bullet fragments left in the
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Speaker 5: humorous fracture site, which means soft organ damage. It hit
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Speaker 5: the lungs, it hit the liver, skeletal damage when the
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Speaker 5: bones broke when the bullets hit them. Spencer Teppe's autopsy
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Speaker 5: says he suffered seven gunshot wounds, also to the head, neck, trunk,
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Speaker 5: and extremities, with visceral, skeletal and soft tissue injuries.
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Speaker 6: Once in the head, once in the neck, three times in.
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Speaker 5: The torso, twice in the upper extremities, and a bullet
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Speaker 5: was also recovered from Spencer Teppe's body. Both lists the
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Speaker 5: same manner of death homicide death by gunshot wounds. Both
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Speaker 5: documents mark the couple's time of death at ten eleven
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Speaker 5: am on December thirtieth, which would be when paramedics were
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Speaker 5: able to get into their home.
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Speaker 6: And they were dressed for a bed like any other night.
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Speaker 5: Spencer was reported wearing shorts, Monique wearing a long sleeve
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Speaker 5: and a T shirt, and both were wearing their wedding
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Speaker 5: rings on the night that they were killed.
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Speaker 2: Elinamandenberg, you should consider being a trial lawyer, because you
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Speaker 2: just took so many pages of documents from this corner's report,
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Speaker 2: and you zoned in on what I zoned in on,
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Speaker 2: and that was the soft tissue damages, the bullets cutting
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Speaker 2: through Monique and Spencer's organs, the liver, the lung. I mean,
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Speaker 2: that kind of gunshot wound causes you to bleed out
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Speaker 2: internally almost immediately. You can't stop it. And as we
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Speaker 2: predicted at the gig Go, the way that bullet match
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Speaker 2: was made was not just from the shells that were found,
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Speaker 2: but from the bullets that were dug out of the
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Speaker 2: victim's bodies at the medical examiner's office.
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Speaker 1: Joining me to make sense.
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Speaker 2: Of what we're hearing from Elena Mandenberg is doctor Kendall Crowns.
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Speaker 2: He is the chief medical Examiner Terrant County, that's Fort Worth.
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Speaker 2: He is an esteemed lecturer at the Burnett School of
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Speaker 2: Medicine at TCU. He is the star of a hit podcast,
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Speaker 2: Mayhem in the Morgue. What is the zygomatic region? What
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Speaker 2: is the zygomatic region? Doctor Kendall Crowns.
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Speaker 7: The zygomatic region is a bone in your facial skull
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Speaker 7: and it makes up kind of your cheek bone, so
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Speaker 7: it's right above your jawline, making up the kind of
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Speaker 7: side of Both sides of your face have a zygomatic
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Speaker 7: art and it's essentially your cheek bone.
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Speaker 2: Look at Monique Teppie. He shot her in the face.
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Speaker 2: The Crowns calls it the zygomatic region. He shot her
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Speaker 2: in the face. He shot her in the face. To
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Speaker 2: doctor Bethany Marshall, joining us renownced psycho analyst out.
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Speaker 1: Of Beverly Hill's author of deal Breaker.
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Speaker 2: You can see her starring on Peacock now and find
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Speaker 2: her at Dodor Bethany Marshall dot com. Dr Bethany I
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Speaker 2: can barely even formulate a question to encompass what I'm
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Speaker 2: feeling right now.
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Speaker 1: Six Steen rounds.
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Speaker 2: He basically unloaded, standing over their bed in the wee
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Speaker 2: morning hours, and they're laying their sleep in their wedding bands.
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Speaker 8: Horrifying Nancy. It's so hard to even imagine that Nancy
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Speaker 8: in the face. He wants to destroy her beauty, and
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Speaker 8: why does he want to destroy her beauty so nobody
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Speaker 8: else will be attracted to her. I mean, that's why
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Speaker 8: serial killers will decapitate a victim. That's why domestic violence
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Speaker 8: victims are shot in the head or the face. It's
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Speaker 8: because the perpetrator doesn't want anybody else to have them.
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Speaker 8: If I can't have you, nobody else will. And you know,
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Speaker 8: this guy, as we talked about before, as an insult collector,
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Speaker 8: sitting online, look at the wedding videos, watching their pictures
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Speaker 8: of their gates and becoming increasingly enraged. And if he
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Speaker 8: shoots her in the face, it stops all of that
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Speaker 8: dead in their tracks. And that's what he's trying to do.
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Speaker 2: To Dan Murphy joining us, former NYPD detective sergeant who
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Speaker 2: has conducted hundreds and hundreds of investigations.
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Speaker 9: One of his.
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Speaker 2: Expertise bullets ballistics. He is a co star of Goalshields podcast.
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Speaker 2: He's the author of Workplace Safety. Dan Murphy, thank you
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Speaker 2: for being with us, specifically to talk to us about guns, bullets, ballistics.
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Speaker 2: What is a magazine? There's no reason for everybody else
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Speaker 2: not to know what.
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Speaker 1: Is a magazine. There's no reason for that to.
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Speaker 2: Be in their world, and I'm glad it's not in
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Speaker 2: their world. What's a magazine. How many bullets around a magazine?
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Speaker 2: How fast can you unload a magazine? How do you
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Speaker 2: replace a magazine? Break it down for me, Dan Murphy,
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Speaker 2: For everyone that is not in the criminal world.
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Speaker 10: Certainly, magazines are what semi automatic weapons or fully automatic
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Speaker 10: weapons hold the rounds in as opposed to a revolver,
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Speaker 10: which is in a cylinder and the bullets are easily
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Speaker 10: slid into the cylinder. The magazine contains that it depends
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Speaker 10: upon the size the caliber of the weapon that make
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Speaker 10: it can be six or eight rounds, it can be
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Speaker 10: up to seventeen rounds. There are even larger magas that
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Speaker 10: hold up to thirty that are used with handguns sometimes.
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Speaker 10: But a magazine is a very simple device. Spring loaded,
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Speaker 10: you put the rounds in. It tightens up as you
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Speaker 10: increase the number of rounds in the magazine until it's filled.
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Speaker 9: Can be reach Hold on, hold on, Dan Murphy.
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Speaker 2: I don't want to interrupt your float, but could you
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Speaker 2: slow down a little bit for everyone out there that
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Speaker 2: doesn't practice at the range. And by the way, this
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Speaker 2: guy doctor the vascular surgeon, for Pete's sake, with all
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Speaker 2: that education, all that money, all of those privileges and
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Speaker 2: opportunities he had.
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Speaker 1: To do this.
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Speaker 2: Really, I guarantee with all the guns he had an
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Speaker 2: arsenal in his penthouse at Lincoln Park. I guarantee he's
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Speaker 2: out summer practicing. Do you really need to practice to
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Speaker 2: get close range on your ex wife?
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Speaker 1: I sleep in bed and sheet her in the face.
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Speaker 2: But I guarantee you he's so anal compulsive that he
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Speaker 2: was practicing at some gunshot range somewhere that said slow
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Speaker 2: down for me, if you don't mind, just start.
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Speaker 1: At the top, very slowly. About a magazine.
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Speaker 2: I heard you say some magazines hold sixteen bullets up
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Speaker 2: in the thirties, But sixteen bullets were fired here, six
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Speaker 2: stained bullets unloaded on the tippies in their sleep. I
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Speaker 2: think he shot the whole round. I think he used
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Speaker 2: up the magazine.
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Speaker 10: Explain, certainly, magazines are two weapons. What what a loaf
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Speaker 10: of bread unbaked into an oven as you put it
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Speaker 10: in to the bottom of the weapon. The magazine itself
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Speaker 10: holds the rounds inside of it. It is spring loaded
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Speaker 10: device whereby the person who's loading it places the rounds
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Speaker 10: into it and they each become tighter as the magazine
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Speaker 10: becomes more filled. You can fill the magazines up as
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Speaker 10: much as thirty thirty five some traditional handguns. Typically if
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Speaker 10: it's a nine millimeter, you're looking at a fifteen or
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Speaker 10: seventeen round capacity, and so the person who's shooting the
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Speaker 10: weapon has fifteen rounds in my weapon with the NYPD,
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Speaker 10: I had a fifteen round magazine and then I had
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Speaker 10: another round in the chamber ready to go, which meant
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Speaker 10: my weapon was capable of firing sixteen rounds before having
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Speaker 10: to eject the empty magazine and reload it. In this case,
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Speaker 10: he fired sixteen rounds. In my opinion, he had had
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Speaker 10: a fifteen round magazine, one live in the chamber, and
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Speaker 10: he squeezed the trigger until he was finished, and the
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Speaker 10: clicking happened.
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Speaker 2: Now, when you say squeeze the trigger, you have automatic,
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Speaker 2: you have semi automatic, multiple types of weapons with the magazine.
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Speaker 1: If you squeeze.
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Speaker 2: The trigger one time, will the gun continue to fire?
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Speaker 2: You don't have to go one, two, three, four, fifteen, sixteen.
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Speaker 2: You pull once and it unloads like in the movies.
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Speaker 10: No, that's exactly what you're saying. It is in the movies.
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Speaker 10: Those are automatic weapons. Fully automatic weapons are not typically
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Speaker 10: available to the public. If a handgun was used here.
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Speaker 10: A semi automatic. Semi means you have to depress that
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Speaker 10: trigger once for every round. It's a conscious thought, a
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Speaker 10: conscious action to depress that round to expel a bullet.
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Speaker 10: So he has to pull that sixteen times. And in
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Speaker 10: my estimation, based upon what I'm hearing about this case
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Speaker 10: and what I know about it, he probably continued pressing,
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Speaker 10: was unaware how many rounds he had fired and was
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Speaker 10: clicking on an empty round.
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Speaker 2: Okay, when you say he was clicking on an empty round,
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Speaker 2: what do you mean.
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Speaker 10: I mean the bullets have all been discharged from the weapon,
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Speaker 10: the fifteen in the magazine, the one that was in
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Speaker 10: the chamber have all been discharged. He's not aware that
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Speaker 10: he's at a ammunition. He's so caught up in the
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Speaker 10: moment he continues to depress the trigger, thinking he has
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Speaker 10: more ammunition.
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Speaker 2: Dan Murphy, could you explain and show us how the
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Speaker 2: mag works.
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Speaker 10: This is a typical magazine. This contains fifteen rounds. This
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Speaker 10: magazine slides into the handle or the grip aspect of
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Speaker 10: a weapon and then positions around on top ready to
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Speaker 10: be loaded into the chamber to be fired. With a
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Speaker 10: fifteen round magazine. You can chamber around and then pull
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Speaker 10: the magazine out and top it off, as we say,
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Speaker 10: with a fifteenth round, So that weapon now has a
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Speaker 10: sixteen round capacity, which is a typical nine millimeter weapon
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Speaker 10: many people carry.
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Speaker 2: Dan, Can you show me the other side of the
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Speaker 2: mag where we can see the bottom of the bullets. Okay,
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Speaker 2: so yeah, you have to do that bullet by bullet
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Speaker 2: to load your mag correct.
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Speaker 10: Yes you do.
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Speaker 2: You know why I'm doing this bullet by bullet, and
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Speaker 2: you kind of have to push it down in push
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Speaker 2: the bullet down in there. Sometimes it's hard to do
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Speaker 2: if you don't do it all the time. You have
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Speaker 2: to push it down in there, and then the next one,
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Speaker 2: and it gets harder each time as the mag is
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Speaker 2: filling up. The reason I'm bringing this up, Dan Murphy,
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Speaker 2: is because more intent you have to load that thing
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Speaker 2: bullet by bullet, one at a time.
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Speaker 10: M that's correct. In order to load this, as you mentioned,
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Speaker 10: when you're first beginning to load it, it's somewhat easy.
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Speaker 10: There's a spring inside. The spring enables each next round
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Speaker 10: to be pushed up into the chamber to be used,
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Speaker 10: so that spring gets much more taught as you fill
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Speaker 10: this up. It's an intentional act. And for someone who
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Speaker 10: is not very experienced, and even for those of us
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Speaker 10: who are, there can be some difficulty putting the last
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Speaker 10: couple of rounds in. It really takes some oomph. So
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Speaker 10: this is a very intentional act to fill this up.
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Speaker 10: And that's an even more intentional act to then take
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Speaker 10: the slide chamber a live round, eject this magazine, top
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Speaker 10: it off with the fifteenth round so it's full again,
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Speaker 10: giving you a handgun with sixteen round capacity. So currently
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Speaker 10: this has twelve rounds in and I'm going to top
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Speaker 10: it off with some more rounds and I have to
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Speaker 10: push down on the round that's in there already and
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Speaker 10: squeeze the next one in. And as you can see,
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Speaker 10: they don't always go easy there. That next round was
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Speaker 10: just placed in with some effort. And this is what happens.
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Speaker 10: As you approach the top of the magazine, each round
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Speaker 10: becomes more difficult, more intentional to load.
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Speaker 1: Have fun with that defense thing.
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Speaker 2: For doctor Michael McKee, I want you to get that
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Speaker 2: mag out of the murder weapon and I.
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Speaker 1: Want you to load it in front of the jury
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Speaker 1: with six stained nines.
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Speaker 2: Let the jury see the intentionality that was used to
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Speaker 2: murder Monique and Spencer to load that mag and then unloaded.
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Speaker 1: On them as they slept, joining me.
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Speaker 2: In addition to Dan Murphy, former NYPD detective Sergeant, doctor
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Speaker 2: Bethany Marshall, Jolena Mandenburg, and doctor Kendall crowns Now a
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Speaker 2: veteran trial lawyer out of the Warner Robbins Jurisdiction try
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Speaker 2: a lawyer with Butler Snow illegal Jim Elliott, thank you
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Speaker 2: for being with us.
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Speaker 1: You know why.
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Speaker 2: I led Dan Murphy step by step as I would
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Speaker 2: if he were my witness on direct exam through the possibility.
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Speaker 1: Did he just pull the trigger once? Oh? No, he didn't.
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Speaker 2: He had to pull the trigger sixteen times. You know why,
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Speaker 2: Jim Elliott? And I think you do know why because
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Speaker 2: the law is intent can be formed in the twinkling
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Speaker 2: of a moment, the blink of an eye, the time
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Speaker 2: it takes you to raise the gun and pull the trigger.
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Speaker 2: But he did it, Elliot, sixteen times. That's time to
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Speaker 2: form intent, not.
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Speaker 1: A blind rage. Didn't not know what he was doing.
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Speaker 1: He had time.
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Speaker 2: The law does not specify time to form intent such
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Speaker 2: as a plan as I always use this example to
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Speaker 2: poison someone over a period of weeks and months till
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Speaker 2: they kill over dead.
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Speaker 1: It can be formed in a moment.
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Speaker 2: Jim Elliott, do you see the implications that Dan Murphy
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Speaker 2: has raised sixteen times he had to pull the trigger
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Speaker 2: on two sleeping people.
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Speaker 1: Elliot, what's your defense.
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Speaker 11: Since Nancy perhaps to be a moment of rage, or
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Speaker 11: perhaps the victims responded and he reacted that way. It's
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Speaker 11: hard to come up with the really good defense.
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Speaker 2: Well, that is what the defense attorney will be tasked with.
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Speaker 2: And you're absolutely right, Jim. Jim Elliott has defended a
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Speaker 2: lot of cases civil attorney as well. When you're between
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Speaker 2: a rock and a hard spot, Jim Elliott, you have.
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Speaker 1: To get creative.
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Speaker 2: And I think right now the defense team for doctor
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Speaker 2: Michael McKee is scrambling.
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Speaker 1: They're going to be stuck with what you said, some
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Speaker 1: type of a.
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Speaker 2: Blind rage or some type of a mental defect or
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Speaker 2: some other dude did it.
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Speaker 1: Good luck with.
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Speaker 2: That joining me In addition to Elena Mandenburg from The Mirror,
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Speaker 2: Irish Star and The Express, Dave Matt Crime Story's investigative reporter,
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Speaker 2: many people online want to know were their holes in
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Speaker 2: the wall.
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Speaker 1: My deduction is unlikely.
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Speaker 2: You just heard Dan Murphy state Dave Mack that a
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Speaker 2: lot of magazines.
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Speaker 1: Hold sixteen bullets.
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Speaker 2: Well, there were six Dean bullets fired right, and they
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Speaker 2: all make contact with the victims. I also think, although
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Speaker 2: we don't know this yet, that he fired at close range.
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Speaker 1: Think about it.
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Speaker 2: There's the inside of the bedroom, so I guarantee you
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Speaker 2: he walked up to their bed, held out the gun
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Speaker 2: like he's, you know, the antagonist in a movie, and
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Speaker 2: unloaded on sleeping people, so they are close range. I
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Speaker 2: don't know that they're going to be contact wounds where
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Speaker 2: you actually see stippling or burn on the skin, which
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Speaker 2: I'm going to go to doctor Kendl Crowns to explain.
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Speaker 1: But I don't think he could have missed him. It's
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Speaker 1: just like shooting a fish in a barrel. For Pete's sake,
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Speaker 1: Dave mac.
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Speaker 12: Nancy, I think you're absolutely right. There's not going to
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Speaker 12: be any shots in the wall or the ceiling. I
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Speaker 12: think every you got nine shots going into Mondie, you've
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Speaker 12: got seven going into Spencer. That's sixteen total, and they're
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Speaker 12: gonna be pointed down. Now on the autopsy report, there
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Speaker 12: is an indication of no stipling. So if you're talking
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Speaker 12: about an intermediate range. But you know one thing, think
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Speaker 12: in December sixth, when McKee allegedly went to no, not allegedly,
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Speaker 12: he was at the home, remember they were at the ballgame.
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Speaker 1: I think he went in there and he planned it
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Speaker 1: all out.
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Speaker 12: He walked around, he knew exactly where he was going
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Speaker 12: to stand, he knew exactly where the bed was, he
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Speaker 12: knew where they were going to be, and he had
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Speaker 12: a plan allegedly to stand there and just standing over
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Speaker 12: the top of me, shot him and look at the injuries.
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Speaker 12: Right side on Spencer, left side on Monique.
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Speaker 13: That's how we sleep.
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Speaker 12: I mean, the only I think, the only thing that
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Speaker 12: really we can look at from this is that McKee
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Speaker 12: knew exactly what he was going to do, exactly where
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Speaker 12: he was going to do it, and then he did
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Speaker 12: it allegedly.
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Speaker 2: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Dave Matt you touched on
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Speaker 2: something and I'm going to follow up with Lena Manderburg,
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Speaker 2: and you're absolutely correct, Dave mac touched on the fact
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Speaker 2: that we believe and I think the cops believe this too,
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Speaker 2: that he doctor Michael McKee was spotted on security cam
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Speaker 2: of a neighbors and I don't think that this was
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Speaker 2: found out until after the murders. He had been there before,
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Speaker 2: and he was observed entering the kertilage. And let's see
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Speaker 2: a photo.
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Speaker 1: Or a depiction of their town home.
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Speaker 2: Well, it's a full standalone home, but at center row,
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Speaker 2: and there is a fence that goes from side to
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Speaker 2: side all the way around.
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Speaker 1: I don't think you.
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Speaker 2: Can get into the backyard such as it is except
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Speaker 2: through the home.
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Speaker 1: There you go. That's a fantastic rendition of that. Check
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Speaker 1: that out.
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Speaker 2: Can I see the first thing you created for me?
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Speaker 2: Please control room right there that he either got in
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Speaker 2: through that basement window or that back door. The neighbors
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Speaker 2: surveillance saw him entering curtilage, which would be the backyard,
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Speaker 2: the garage, the tool shed, the dollhouse.
22:17
Speaker 1: See whatever is in around your home. Do not need
22:21
Speaker 1: a separate search.
22:22
Speaker 2: Weren't for that, but I always advise just in case
22:25
Speaker 2: the judge doesn't know the law to get one, or
22:28
Speaker 2: you never know. It could have a different street address
22:31
Speaker 2: on for instance, the garage.
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Speaker 9: You just never know.
22:35
Speaker 2: But that said, then he wasn't seen again for hours.
22:40
Speaker 2: According to what we've been told, Elena, I think the
22:43
Speaker 2: neighbors video showed doctor Michael McKee approaching the home, going
22:49
Speaker 2: over the fence, and then he didn't wasn't seen again
22:52
Speaker 2: for hours. I think Dave Mack is right. I think
22:55
Speaker 2: he got into the home through one of those two
22:57
Speaker 2: back entrances and he stayed in there for hours creep,
23:04
Speaker 2: and I think that is when his skin was hatched.
23:08
Speaker 2: What do you know about his prior entrance to the home, Elenamandenburg.
23:13
Speaker 5: So what we notice he entered through the curdilage and
23:16
Speaker 5: there's a top view of the home if you were
23:19
Speaker 5: to look at it.
23:19
Speaker 6: And the way all the homes on the block are
23:21
Speaker 6: set up is that there's.
23:23
Speaker 5: A garage or shed or whatever.
23:26
Speaker 6: It is at the very end of the property.
23:28
Speaker 5: And later on it's in the middle of that alleyway
23:30
Speaker 5: where we see footage the footage that police were released
23:33
Speaker 5: after they were shot and they were looking for the shadowy,
23:37
Speaker 5: suspicious person walking along that alleyway.
23:39
Speaker 6: So there's a garage, yep that picture.
23:41
Speaker 5: So and through the garage you would enter then that
23:44
Speaker 5: fenced in backyard and through that backyard you see that
23:48
Speaker 5: back door as you were showing. So all the police
23:53
Speaker 5: report says for now is that he was caught on
23:55
Speaker 5: a surveillance camera going in through the curtilage and being
23:58
Speaker 5: there for hours and then seen exiting the home or
24:03
Speaker 5: through the back We aren't one hundred percent sure, but
24:06
Speaker 5: he was there for hours. And also if as he
24:11
Speaker 5: is charged with, you know, intent and premeditation, I mean
24:17
Speaker 5: going there, I don't know if that's where he hatched
24:20
Speaker 5: the plan allegedly, because that might have been hatched and
24:23
Speaker 5: that was the reason why he was there already looking
24:26
Speaker 5: into it. And also we know that she got a
24:29
Speaker 5: message that day that upset her about him. And of
24:33
Speaker 5: course they might not know that he was in their
24:35
Speaker 5: backyard or in their home or wherever he was, but
24:39
Speaker 5: he did say something, send her something, something upset her,
24:43
Speaker 5: something creeped her ound.
24:44
Speaker 6: She went home from that big.
24:46
Speaker 5: Ten game, from that Indianapolis trip she planned with her
24:49
Speaker 5: husband and friends, went home in the second half. Something
24:52
Speaker 5: upset her. So we actually don't have all of the
24:55
Speaker 5: dots yet. I think the police are also still putting
24:58
Speaker 5: together exactly phone logs, probably text messages, So we're not
25:02
Speaker 5: sure what it is that upset her.
25:03
Speaker 6: We know he was there. We know he was there,
25:05
Speaker 6: and if he was there, then.
25:07
Speaker 5: Even if he only peeked into the window he could
25:10
Speaker 5: have gotten a layout, but then there was also the
25:11
Speaker 5: wedding videos that were in their home, so there were
25:15
Speaker 5: a lot of different ways he could have gotten the
25:17
Speaker 5: layout of the house.
25:18
Speaker 6: Allegedly.
25:19
Speaker 12: In a shocking moment in the investigation, while Monique and
25:22
Speaker 12: Spencer are out of town at the Big Ten Championship
25:25
Speaker 12: Game December sixth, McKee is captured on video entering the
25:29
Speaker 12: curtilage of the Tepee home. Curtilage is the property immediately
25:33
Speaker 12: surrounding a home and is considered an extension of the
25:37
Speaker 12: dwelling for Fourth Amendment purposes. McKee is at the home
25:40
Speaker 12: place and has entered areas where personal privacy is expected.
25:44
Speaker 12: At the same time, Monique excuses herself from the game.
25:48
Speaker 12: Returning to the hotel room, asked why Monique left Spencer
25:52
Speaker 12: Tel's friends. Monique is upset about something involving her ex husband.
25:56
Speaker 2: She has her body ripped apart in the middle of
26:01
Speaker 2: the night with their children next door, and bleeds out
26:06
Speaker 2: multiple gunshot wounds.
26:08
Speaker 3: This family's life was completely reread. These people were tortured.
26:15
Speaker 2: The other night during our live chat as our program ran,
26:22
Speaker 2: a viewer wrote in and asked me to look at
26:28
Speaker 2: the way McKee pulls.
26:32
Speaker 9: To the right, and the viewer was correct.
26:37
Speaker 2: Now we've just gotten in video of doctor Michael McKee's bookend,
26:43
Speaker 2: but I want you to first look at him allegedly
26:47
Speaker 2: walking down the alley behind Manique's home, Minik and Spencer.
26:53
Speaker 2: Pulled to the right, pulled to the right, pull to
26:56
Speaker 2: the right. You can really see it in the shoulder.
26:59
Speaker 2: But then, oh yeah, that's at the beginning. I can
27:03
Speaker 2: see it the best.
27:04
Speaker 9: You're right.
27:05
Speaker 2: Okay, Now let's look at the courtroom. Pull pull, pull pull. Okay,
27:15
Speaker 2: that's Frore, our friends at WB and AS. Now let's
27:17
Speaker 2: look at the book and and see what we can see.
27:20
Speaker 2: There he goes, there, he goes. See it, Let's see
27:24
Speaker 2: that again. That was very That may be the I
27:29
Speaker 2: don't know what causes that. He does not have any
27:34
Speaker 2: football injury. He played varsity football at an elite level,
27:37
Speaker 2: I think in college. There he is in his bookend,
27:44
Speaker 2: this right here. You know, he just looks like any
27:47
Speaker 2: other dude walking around in his flip flops at the
27:50
Speaker 2: pharmacy of the candy, you know, just but to think
27:55
Speaker 2: that he could have unloaded a full mag on Monique.
28:05
Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany Marshall I'm going to go back to pulling
28:08
Speaker 2: to the right and other distinguishing characteristics of doctor Michael McKee,
28:14
Speaker 2: But I want to talk about something you just said,
28:17
Speaker 2: as it relates to unloading a full mag sixty bullets
28:22
Speaker 2: and probably as Dan Murphy said, continuing to pull the trigger,
28:28
Speaker 2: how many times do you think doctor Michael McKee watched this.
28:34
Speaker 6: From day one?
28:35
Speaker 14: I knew you were something special. I had quite a
28:38
Speaker 14: journey to get to you, countless bad bumble dates, wrong
28:42
Speaker 14: relationships and waterfalls of tears, but it was worth every
28:47
Speaker 14: cringing second because it led me to you. Throughout all
28:52
Speaker 14: of this, I knew that God was guiding me to
28:55
Speaker 14: my person and that when I met him, it would
28:59
Speaker 14: be the most magical thing ever.
29:03
Speaker 6: And boy, is that an understatement.
29:06
Speaker 14: I finally found my lobster and it honestly couldn't be
29:11
Speaker 14: a person with a.
29:12
Speaker 1: More beautiful heart.
29:13
Speaker 15: I will love you forever and I'm so lucky to
29:15
Speaker 15: be missus.
29:16
Speaker 2: Temper thought of Bethany Marshall. Look at her beautiful face,
29:20
Speaker 2: her delicate jawline, the the fragile bones in her neck,
29:26
Speaker 2: and when you look at Spencer, he's so happy. There's
29:31
Speaker 2: video of them walking out of the wedding. There you
29:36
Speaker 2: know the vows, you know, holding their hands up in triumph.
29:40
Speaker 2: Here they go the okay yeah, and that there's video
29:45
Speaker 2: of them walking along. He's so gibilant, you know, he's
29:48
Speaker 2: got a cigar in one hand, celebrating, and he's got
29:51
Speaker 2: his arm around her, and it's just this incredible, magical day.
29:57
Speaker 2: There's one moment he's drinking some kind of alcohol there was,
30:01
Speaker 2: and he gives her a sip. She wrinkles up her
30:04
Speaker 2: face because it's so strong, whatever it is.
30:07
Speaker 1: And she's like ew. And he's just so happy. I
30:13
Speaker 1: love that moment where he rears back.
30:15
Speaker 2: He's just laughing in this moment, this happy, incredible moment. Now,
30:22
Speaker 2: how in the hey does that turn into unloading a
30:27
Speaker 2: full nag on them?
30:29
Speaker 8: Bethany, do you know how many times Monster Surgeon must
30:33
Speaker 8: have watched those videos, those who are accessible to him,
30:38
Speaker 8: he watched them again and again and again, and all
30:43
Speaker 8: the beauty that you're talking about, the delicate jaw structure,
30:48
Speaker 8: the rearing back, the fun, the laughter, every little moment
30:53
Speaker 8: of fun was an insult to Monster Surgeon because and
31:01
Speaker 8: Monster Surgeon is no different. They feel there's still in
31:04
Speaker 8: a relationship with a victim, he still felt that she
31:07
Speaker 8: was his. So every bit of laughter, every little bit
31:11
Speaker 8: of sip of champagne, felt like she was cheating on him.
31:16
Speaker 8: That's the sick, twisted part, Nancy, is that he felt
31:19
Speaker 8: that she was cheating on him even though she was
31:22
Speaker 8: marrying a new person. And that's why he unloaded the
31:27
Speaker 8: magazine into her.
31:29
Speaker 2: Why the face, Bethany, that's just troubling to me. The face,
31:34
Speaker 2: the cheek, the neck, the Torso.
31:37
Speaker 8: Why we think about it? The face that that's the beauty, right?
31:41
Speaker 8: What does the face represent?
31:44
Speaker 2: Beauty?
31:44
Speaker 8: Intelligence? It's not just the face, it's her brain. It's
31:48
Speaker 8: the thinking part of her right. So if he disables
31:53
Speaker 8: or dismantles her beauty and her capacity to think, then
31:57
Speaker 8: she's no longer a free person in the world who
32:00
Speaker 8: can quote unquote betray him. So he is taking away
32:07
Speaker 8: the thing that troubles him the most, which is her individuality,
32:12
Speaker 8: her authenticity, her beauty, her ability to be her only person.
32:17
Speaker 8: That's what he's robbing her of.
32:20
Speaker 2: Two Doctor Kendall Crowns joining US Chief Medical Examiner Terrent
32:23
Speaker 2: County and Star of Mayhem in the Morgue.
32:27
Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall crowns.
32:28
Speaker 2: We've been talking about how the bullets were found, and
32:32
Speaker 2: on day one we hear crime stories, knew that there
32:37
Speaker 2: would be bullets lodged in the bodies. How do you
32:41
Speaker 2: go about that sort of autopsy? We're talking about a
32:44
Speaker 2: full mag unloaded into these two victims. Where do you start,
32:48
Speaker 2: How do you find the bullets? How does it go down?
32:51
Speaker 7: Okay? Usually what you do with these cases of multiple
32:54
Speaker 7: gunshot wounds as you start the same way you do
32:57
Speaker 7: with every autopsy. You do an external examination. You chart
33:01
Speaker 7: all the wounds, trying to get an idea of which
33:04
Speaker 7: wound goes through, what woms some exits, and then you
33:07
Speaker 7: do X rays and X rays. You look at the
33:10
Speaker 7: body and you look for retain projectiles or bullets, figure
33:14
Speaker 7: out where they're at. You side X rays, front X rays,
33:18
Speaker 7: kind of get an idea where they're at in the body.
33:20
Speaker 7: Then you start the autopsy removing the organs and you
33:24
Speaker 7: look for these bullets. Sometimes they're wedgekin bones. Sometimes they're
33:27
Speaker 7: stuck in organs and you find each bullet you take
33:30
Speaker 7: it out. Sometimes they're really hard to find, and if
33:33
Speaker 7: they get in the face the nasal cavity, they're really
33:36
Speaker 7: difficult because you can't mar the face as the autopsy,
33:39
Speaker 7: so you have to go through different ways where you
33:41
Speaker 7: take out the top of the skull and come down
33:44
Speaker 7: through the top or figure way out.
33:46
Speaker 2: Ok Wait, wait, wait what take off the top of
33:51
Speaker 2: the skull?
33:51
Speaker 1: Is that necessary?
33:53
Speaker 7: We do that in every autopsy to get the brain out.
33:56
Speaker 3: And once the brain is.
33:57
Speaker 7: Out, you have the base of the skull and then
33:59
Speaker 7: you can go through the top of that to get
34:01
Speaker 7: to the nasal cavity to get bullets out. So it
34:04
Speaker 7: can be very difficult to retrieve bullets at the time
34:07
Speaker 7: of autopsy, just kind of depending on where they're at.
34:09
Speaker 2: Okay, you know what, I guess I knew that after
34:12
Speaker 2: cross examining and directing so many medical examiners, I guess
34:16
Speaker 2: I didn't want to think about it, doctor Kendall Crown's. So,
34:21
Speaker 2: did you say you perform an X ray first to
34:24
Speaker 2: identify the general area of the bullets?
34:27
Speaker 8: Correct?
34:28
Speaker 7: Yeah, you get the X ray examination of the body,
34:30
Speaker 7: so you get an idea of where they're at, and
34:33
Speaker 7: that way you can direct your easter eggs hunt a
34:36
Speaker 7: little bit more quickly.
34:38
Speaker 2: Okay, wait, let's don't call it an easter egg hunt.
34:41
Speaker 2: That was a very Gallows humor type joke, because you're
34:47
Speaker 2: talking about digging through the body trying to find the bullets,
34:50
Speaker 2: and it's just you're so blase blase about it.
34:53
Speaker 1: I'm talking about Monique.
34:54
Speaker 2: And Spencer Teppe here, and when I think about her face,
34:59
Speaker 2: I don't know why that's bothering me so much. They
35:02
Speaker 2: were shot sixteen times, for Pete's sake, at close range,
35:06
Speaker 2: maybe not point blank range. As Dave Mack pointed out,
35:08
Speaker 2: there was no stippling, and that was clearly stated in
35:11
Speaker 2: the autopsy report. That doesn't mean it wasn't close range.
35:15
Speaker 2: In fact, there's no way it wasn't close range. But
35:18
Speaker 2: doctor Kendall Crowns, I don't want us to refer to
35:20
Speaker 2: it as an Easter egg hunt. You were just so
35:23
Speaker 2: matter of fact about it when you were talking about
35:26
Speaker 2: digging through their bodies trying to find the bullets.
35:29
Speaker 1: But if you.
35:29
Speaker 2: Don't do it, Kendall, then the state can't prove its
35:34
Speaker 2: case because I need every one of those sixteen bullets
35:37
Speaker 2: to show intent intent times sixteen, So you have to
35:42
Speaker 2: do it well.
35:43
Speaker 7: You have to also make sure that they are all
35:45
Speaker 7: from the same gun too, because it's always alleged that
35:48
Speaker 7: it could be multiple shooters to and my bullet didn't
35:50
Speaker 7: kill them, you know, so you have to get every
35:53
Speaker 7: bullet every time to make sure they can verify which
35:57
Speaker 7: gun shot it. It's very important to do.
36:00
Speaker 8: What's changed since the last person I talked to?
36:03
Speaker 16: There's a body. There's a body.
36:04
Speaker 8: There's a body inside. Yeah, okay, hold on one second,
36:11
Speaker 8: let me get you on the line with the medic.
36:12
Speaker 7: Okay, on the line.
36:15
Speaker 16: He appears dead. There's a body. Our friend wasn't in transphoned.
36:20
Speaker 16: We just didn't go well the ship. We just came
36:22
Speaker 16: here in town. He appears dead. Okay. Blood he's laying
36:29
Speaker 16: next to his head off of his desert and there's blood.
36:32
Speaker 16: I think people shore going too more than that.
36:35
Speaker 10: Okay, he can tell he's.
36:36
Speaker 11: Obviously not breathing anything.
36:37
Speaker 3: Yeah, is it like how to like like how to fight?
36:40
Speaker 3: You know, because it doesn't look great and.
36:44
Speaker 16: I can't I can't like her.
36:45
Speaker 11: Okay, all right, you understand.
36:48
Speaker 6: So now we get a new picture.
36:50
Speaker 5: Now each have multiple gunshot wounds.
36:53
Speaker 6: She was shot multiple times and are bleeding out.
36:57
Speaker 1: The children are awesome.
36:59
Speaker 2: It probably you will remember the murders of their parents.
37:05
Speaker 2: Two children left orphaned, and tonight we're learning sixteen bullets
37:11
Speaker 2: an empty mag unloaded into Monique and Spencer Tippie joining
37:19
Speaker 2: us tonight on behalf of Monique. Arianna Turner, a dear
37:25
Speaker 2: friend of Monique's. Arianna, thank you for being with us.
37:28
Speaker 13: Thank you for having me. I'm blessed to be here.
37:34
Speaker 2: You know what, I can see why you and Monique
37:37
Speaker 2: were friends because everything I've seen of her, everything that's
37:43
Speaker 2: been said about her, she had this just amazing I
37:47
Speaker 2: don't know the right word, Arah demeanor. Tell me about her, Arianna.
37:55
Speaker 17: You know, Monique was a person that, like, I know,
37:58
Speaker 17: we use a lot of adjectives to describe people, but
38:00
Speaker 17: she was just like indescribable.
38:02
Speaker 13: You know, like you don't really meet people who.
38:05
Speaker 17: Are just genuine you know, and just genuinely want to
38:08
Speaker 17: help other people and just genuinely care about like just
38:12
Speaker 17: the people around them or just people in general. And
38:15
Speaker 17: like Monique was somebody who, like if she cared about you,
38:18
Speaker 17: she was coming to check on you. She was doing
38:20
Speaker 17: everything she could to make sure that you felt supported
38:23
Speaker 17: and you felt like you didn't have like you like
38:25
Speaker 17: you had somebody, you know, like she was just she
38:28
Speaker 17: was an amazing mother. Like she was just so like
38:32
Speaker 17: very loving, very bright, like just positive all the time,
38:35
Speaker 17: like just a bubbly person, like just somebody you always
38:38
Speaker 17: want to talk to, like if you're having a sad day. See,
38:40
Speaker 17: I mean, she was just one of my biggest support people.
38:44
Speaker 17: Me and her had just like you know, started to
38:45
Speaker 17: get close. So it showed a lot about her character
38:48
Speaker 17: for her to really show so much care and attention
38:50
Speaker 17: to somebody she was just getting to know.
38:52
Speaker 13: You know, you.
38:53
Speaker 2: Stated that Manique was an amazing mother, And you know
38:58
Speaker 2: what that speaks to me, because I love my twins
39:05
Speaker 2: more than anything in the world. They're the best thing
39:08
Speaker 2: that ever happened to me. I don't want to miss
39:11
Speaker 2: one minute with them. Now they're going away to college
39:14
Speaker 2: and I'm going.
39:15
Speaker 9: To be cry, cry, crying.
39:17
Speaker 2: But I hear other moms going, oh, thank goodness, they're moving.
39:21
Speaker 1: Yeah right, I don't get it. But you know what,
39:25
Speaker 1: to each her own, you say she's an amazing mother.
39:28
Speaker 1: Please describe that for me.
39:30
Speaker 9: I really want to hear this.
39:32
Speaker 17: So let me give you a little bit of an
39:33
Speaker 17: example of how I could just glimpse and just see
39:37
Speaker 17: just how much patience and time and care she had
39:39
Speaker 17: for a kid. So mind you, me and Monique, our
39:41
Speaker 17: children went to the same school, and our little boys
39:45
Speaker 17: or best friends in the classrooms, like we will always
39:47
Speaker 17: just like you know, talk about that, just talk about
39:49
Speaker 17: motherhood things like that.
39:50
Speaker 13: And like I remember this one time.
39:52
Speaker 17: Specifically, like we were talking at drop off for maybe
39:56
Speaker 17: like ten minutes, I mean pick up, I'm sorry, pick
39:58
Speaker 17: up for about ten minutes the point like her daughter
40:01
Speaker 17: is like not turning up, but like, you know, mommy,
40:04
Speaker 17: I'm ready to go, like jumping, moving everything, and like
40:07
Speaker 17: still as she's holding on a very like heavy conversation
40:10
Speaker 17: with me, It's like, hey, sweetie, be careful, Calm down, mommy,
40:13
Speaker 17: Mommy needs a moment, be still, you know, like just
40:16
Speaker 17: keeping her composure when like any other mom probably would
40:19
Speaker 17: have been stop, like leave me alone. But she just
40:21
Speaker 17: had this patience and this love for her kids, and
40:23
Speaker 17: she valued education.
40:25
Speaker 13: You know, she valued a lot of key morals.
40:27
Speaker 17: About you know, development and things like that. So I'm
40:31
Speaker 17: sure you know, she was extra like careful with the
40:35
Speaker 17: way she parented, just knowing like how some of the
40:37
Speaker 17: effects can be if you're not like if you're a
40:40
Speaker 17: little bit more negative or like emotionally or physically.
40:43
Speaker 11: At things like that.
40:44
Speaker 2: I feel like she just went, oh yeah, you just
40:46
Speaker 2: hit another chord with me. One of my favorite times
40:50
Speaker 2: when the children were growing up was drop off and
40:52
Speaker 2: pick up because I had them all on trapped in
40:55
Speaker 2: the car with me and we can watch movies, we
40:58
Speaker 2: could laugh, we have snack so you name, and everything
41:01
Speaker 2: in the car.
41:02
Speaker 1: It's just like a rowing party.
41:04
Speaker 2: But a lot of people are angry at carpool drop off,
41:07
Speaker 2: pickup and all that.
41:09
Speaker 1: That was one of the best times in my day.
41:12
Speaker 2: And just firing about her going herself to pick there.
41:15
Speaker 2: I didn't want some babysit or God bless them all
41:18
Speaker 2: to pick up the children. I wanted to pick them up.
41:20
Speaker 2: I want to hear about their day. I mean, I
41:22
Speaker 2: was actually jealous. Tell me about some more about how
41:27
Speaker 2: she interacted with her children.
41:30
Speaker 17: So like with her kids, she was just very playful,
41:33
Speaker 17: just very attentive, like a lot of I'm not gonna
41:36
Speaker 17: say a lot of parents, but just from like what
41:37
Speaker 17: I've seen, you could just tell the people that are
41:39
Speaker 17: really in it, like got their hearts invested into their children,
41:42
Speaker 17: really prioritize, really care about the future that they are
41:46
Speaker 17: you know, going to live on in a few years.
41:49
Speaker 17: And she was one of those people that just like
41:52
Speaker 17: would care, like she just cared, and like there'd be
41:54
Speaker 17: times like, you know, I would be sitting in the
41:57
Speaker 17: parking lote like waiting on the pickup time and like
42:00
Speaker 17: I got ten more minutes, i ain't got to go
42:01
Speaker 17: get my three kids, and I'm kind of like hiding out,
42:04
Speaker 17: and Moniqueo'll be like, hey girl.
42:06
Speaker 13: Hi, Like are you awake?
42:07
Speaker 16: Mama?
42:07
Speaker 17: Like her question to me were always how are you alive?
42:10
Speaker 17: How are you breathing? Like you are amazing? Like anytime
42:13
Speaker 17: she got around me was to uplift me. And every
42:15
Speaker 17: time I've seen her with her children, it was always
42:18
Speaker 17: uplifting her, always saying positive stuff, even when she knew
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Speaker 17: that they were doing something that they may have not
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Speaker 17: been doing. Like her daughter was like running around not
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Speaker 17: trying to put on her coat, okay, like speaking with
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Speaker 17: a very firm voice, not me, not a not anything
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Speaker 17: out of that, just you know, being assertive and patient
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Speaker 17: and just giving her baby love, also giving her direction. Now,
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Speaker 17: not a lot of parents I've seen do that, And
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Speaker 17: that's what really made.
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Speaker 13: Me respect her so much, in the fact she respected me,
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Speaker 13: you know, she's seen me.
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Speaker 17: I'm way younger than her, and she looked up to me,
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Speaker 17: and I love that, like we looked up.
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Speaker 13: To each other. You know, there's not a lot of
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Speaker 13: parents that you can really relate to.
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Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, Arianna Turner, when did you
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Speaker 2: learn that Manique had been first of all, had passed on?
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Speaker 2: But then I mean normally people first think, oh, did
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Speaker 2: they have a car crash?
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Speaker 9: When did you learn she passed on?
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Speaker 2: And when did you learn Monique was murdered and now
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Speaker 2: allegedly her ex doctor Michael McKee, a vascular surgeon, unloads
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Speaker 2: a full mag on them in the middle of the
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Speaker 2: night while they're asleep in their wedding bands.
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Speaker 9: When did you find out and what was your reaction? Arianna?
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Speaker 17: So like I had seen through the local news, like
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Speaker 17: a dentist and his wife were like killed in their
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Speaker 17: home brond I mean I thought it was terrible, Like
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Speaker 17: I don't think they have released the names at the time,
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Speaker 17: and I'm like, oh, wow, that's so terrible. Today's past,
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Speaker 17: I would say, was probably like January second or third,
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Speaker 17: they have released the pictures to the public, And I
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Speaker 17: would say with my fiance and I was like, hold
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Speaker 17: on this, this cannot be my girl.
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Speaker 13: She's like that's her and I just I lost I
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Speaker 13: lost it, Like I.
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Speaker 17: Still can't process it, because how can somebody want to
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Speaker 17: hurt somebody like her?
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Speaker 13: Like I just don't even see her hurting a fly?
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Speaker 17: Like you see how beautiful her smile was, like she
44:16
Speaker 17: was just a radiating like oh, like she was just
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Speaker 17: a beam of sunlight. Like I was blessed that I
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Speaker 17: got to experience her here. But when I found out
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Speaker 17: the news, I was heartbroken. I mean, I still am
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Speaker 17: trying to process this, this tragedy, and it's like the
44:31
Speaker 17: details just get worse and worse and worse. And it's
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Speaker 17: like when the autopsy got released, like I just I
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Speaker 17: that's when I just kind of shut it out, Like
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Speaker 17: I just got so sick to my stomach because how could.
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Speaker 13: You do that?
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Speaker 17: Like, oh my god, Like when I was just reading
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Speaker 17: the report and I just saw like her wounds, and
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Speaker 17: I'm just like, how could you do that to my friend?
44:50
Speaker 17: How could you do that to her husband? You know,
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Speaker 17: these were amazing people. These weren't just people just out
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Speaker 17: here just like oh, not being productive members of society,
44:58
Speaker 17: but these were productive people who were trying to actively
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Speaker 17: give back.
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Speaker 13: How would you take them from us? You know, I
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Speaker 13: just I just will never sit right with me.
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Speaker 17: And their babies were there like that hits so close
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Speaker 17: to home to me, and you know, I've been through
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Speaker 17: domestic violence, so the whole situation is very very touched,
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Speaker 17: you know.
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Speaker 13: But I just, I just I don't have the right word,
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Speaker 13: to be honest, I don't you know what.
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Speaker 2: I disagree with you, Arianna, because I think your words
45:29
Speaker 2: are perfect and the energy you have describing her, It's
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Speaker 2: just something about her was just contagious. And I want
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Speaker 2: to thank you for giving me a window into who
45:43
Speaker 2: Monique was.
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Speaker 1: You know.
45:45
Speaker 2: We keep showing the wedding videos at her Spencer's exchanging
45:50
Speaker 2: vows because I liked it, and I try. I try
45:53
Speaker 2: to show this to juries, although it would be inadmissible
45:55
Speaker 2: under the law, find a way to get in the
45:58
Speaker 2: victim in life. But sometimes when I look at them, Arianna,
46:03
Speaker 2: I think about how many times her boy and probably
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Speaker 2: her little girl are gonna watch these videos over and
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Speaker 2: over and over as they grow up and beyond.
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Speaker 1: Arianna.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, they had a love that I mean, you could
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Speaker 15: just see the love they had for each other, Like
46:23
Speaker 15: you know, and that's why I'm just like dang, like
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Speaker 15: she went through a relationship with a toxic ex husband, found.
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Speaker 13: The love of her life.
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Speaker 17: Like Monique met the greatest love of her life, and
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Speaker 17: that's a blessing that a lot of us don't get
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Speaker 17: to have.
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Speaker 13: So I feel like her last years on earth, she
46:37
Speaker 13: was blessed.
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Speaker 17: She had her family at her house, like you know,
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Speaker 17: they were starting to really build her foundation.
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Speaker 13: I do miss she.
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Speaker 17: I do wish she could have got more time with us,
46:46
Speaker 17: But I do feel like, you know, she hit some
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Speaker 17: major mouthstones that some of us here I haven't even hit.
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Speaker 2: And Dtor Bethany Marshall, you just heard her dear friend
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Speaker 2: Arianna Turner speaking about Monique and he doctor Michael McKee.
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Speaker 2: Bethany just couldn't stand their happiness.
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Speaker 8: He could not bear it. There's so many things he
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Speaker 8: couldn't stand. He couldn't stand her beautiful faith, her beautiful family.
47:13
Speaker 8: You know, Monster Surgeon.
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Speaker 1: Was living alone.
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Speaker 8: He didn't have a girlfriend or a wife or children.
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Speaker 8: He had not built his filling life. All he was
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Speaker 8: doing was enviously watching hers and wanting to take it
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Speaker 8: from her. He didn't do the work. She did the
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Speaker 8: work you know it's not easy to stay in love, Nancy.
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Speaker 8: I mean magically meet people. We meet somebody and then
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Speaker 8: we make an effort to have a loving life with
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Speaker 8: them and a loving relationship with our children. As Monique's
47:47
Speaker 8: friend just just described, there many times were you know
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Speaker 8: your child might be irritating or whatever, and she always
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Speaker 8: responded with love. So she did the work, she built
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Speaker 8: the life, and monster Surgeon research could not bear that
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Speaker 8: he was doing something, that she was doing something he
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Speaker 8: was completely unable to do, so he took it from her.
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Speaker 18: Dear Momo, I feel so lucky to be up here
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Speaker 18: with you today. You've grown to become my best friend,
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Speaker 18: and together we're surrounded by friends and family who are
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Speaker 18: fortunate to be able to say the same.
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Speaker 1: We're so lucky.
48:22
Speaker 18: Our support system is immense, and you embracing Larry, my
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Speaker 18: crazy group of friends, and my loud family like you
48:31
Speaker 18: have means the world. I vow to support you, to
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Speaker 18: believe in you, and to encourage you. I vow to
48:38
Speaker 18: provide for you.
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Speaker 7: I vow to never.
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Speaker 18: Stop loving you and to always keep working on us.
48:44
Speaker 18: And lastly, I vowed to do my best to always
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Speaker 18: keep making you laugh, because your smile is my favorite thing.
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Speaker 2: Straight back out to veteran at trial lawyer out of
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Speaker 2: the Warner Robins jurisdiction, Jim Elliott has tried so many cases.
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Speaker 1: I'm Elliott, what.
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Speaker 2: About the possibility of this guy making bond?
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Speaker 11: I think the challenge for him will be he has
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Speaker 11: financial resources that could make him fly risk. We have
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Speaker 11: this presumption of innocence in our system. We have to
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Speaker 11: embrace that, as difficult as that can be in certain circumstances.
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Speaker 11: And he hasn't indicated that he's leading the jurisdiction currently,
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Speaker 11: so it seemed to me to be appropriate.
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Speaker 2: Okay, so you think there's a chance he could get bond, Well.
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Speaker 11: I mean their number of defenses. One thing is why
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Speaker 11: I think that prosecution is going to have to prove
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Speaker 11: why he was in Ohio. I mean that he was
49:40
Speaker 11: practicing in Las Vegas then goes to a practice in Chicago,
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Speaker 11: and what proof is there that he in fact was
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Speaker 11: in Ohio when these crimes occurred.
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Speaker 2: So you're saying the fact Jim Elliott that he moves
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Speaker 2: from jurisdiction to jurisdiction is going to work against him
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Speaker 2: when he tries to get bond.
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Speaker 11: Why again, I go back the fact that he's a
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Speaker 11: medical professional has apparently assets which would make him We
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Speaker 11: give him the means by which to travel. And again,
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Speaker 11: if the concern is, did you were to leave the
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Speaker 11: country and avoid moving forward with the prosecution, I mean
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Speaker 11: to act that would be a negative in his in
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Speaker 11: his defense.
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Speaker 2: If you know or think you know anything about this case,
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Speaker 2: please dial six one four six four five two two
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Speaker 2: two eight repeat six one four, six, four, five two
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Speaker 2: two two eight. We remember an American hero Officer, Patricia Espinosa,
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Speaker 2: NASAU PD, New York, killed in the line of duty,
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Speaker 2: leaving behind a grieving husband and a one year old
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Speaker 2: baby girl, Mia. American Hero Officer Patricia Espinosa Nancy Gray
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Speaker 2: signing off goodbye.
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Speaker 18: Give it