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Infections + Stress = Chronic Pain · Giving Pain Purpose with Lyndsay Soprano

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This is Your Pain Game podcast where we talk about the game of living in
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and with chronic pain and trauma, getting to the heart of how to heal.
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I am your host, Lindsay Soprano. On the show, I plan
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on discussing with doctors, chronic pain patients, ballistic practitioners, loved ones,
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and anybody that is interested in having their voice heard in the chronic pain and
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trauma world that we live in. So I have talked just a couple of
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times here on this show about my childhood, right, what didn't you say?
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But I haven't really dived into the topic of the adults that were in
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my life. I mean, here and there. I've touched on my parents
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and so on and so forth, but I haven't really talked about all the
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wonderful people in the village. That I took a village to raise me,
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all right, and I was an only child, you know, I needed
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that I was. I was a lot, and I don't think we all
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understood why I was a lot. And you know, one of the things
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that I'm dealing with right now, as in forty five years old, is
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that the way I was raised was kind of like half out of loving kindness
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and the other half was kind of a place of complete avoidance and almost not
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being educated about the future of my health and my longevity. And I say
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avoidance and like almost a lack of education. It isn't to slam my parents
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in any way, shape or form, but almost as this whole like lack
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of knowledge about what the signs are of these future health issues that we're talking
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about, chronic pain and immune system breakdown, and a lot of it can
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stem from childhood trauma, right, And so part of my experience as a
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little girl was not feeling safe to talk about the things that happened to me,
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things that were happening to me, and things that were going on within
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my body. And as we've talked about a lot on the stow, I
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was, you know, I has been in an insomnia accidents. I was
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nine years old to do math minus forty five and I still am to this
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day. I'm on two hours today, so I'm really sparking it up.
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But I never felt like I had a safe place to share and be honest
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and be taught and be guided. And it took me until my early forties
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here to start to open up to a different kind of relationships with the adults
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in my life so that I could be my authentic self, where my authenticity
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would continue to be my strength instead of making it feel like it was my
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weakness. And that was a big problem for me, as I always felt
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like I was not good enough, and I had a dienormous amount of anxiety
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and depression and insomnias, which also part of that was because I had sexual
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abuse issues that started when I was young and into college, and physical abuse
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which of course leads to rebellion and from mascuity and drugs and alcohol and all
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that fun stuff that we love so much. You know, do I blame
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it on my parents? Not really? Do I resentment about a little bit
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of that. Yeah, I do. And so, like I said,
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I instead I bottled up all of that and I acted out. And so
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now I'm here kind of a little peeved about the fact that I had these
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gatekeepers of these adults in my life, and my health and my safety should
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have been number one, and they weren't doing the work that they needed to
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to find out if these kinds of symptoms that my child is having could cause
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things like crest cancer, could cause things like chronic pain and insomnia and all
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these crazy immune system things that are going on with me because now I'm sick.
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I'm really fucking sick. So let's talk about it. So, without
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further ado, I'd like to introduce to you my guest today, doctor David
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Bilstrom. Hey you nice. I am so happy that you're here. We're
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going to talk about a little bit of all that we talked about up there.
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But man, is he going to come at it at an angle especially
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as women then I need you to pay attention to But as women, Wow,
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We're going to talk a little bit about why we're more affected and how
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these ac those adverse childhood events inform chronic illness and autoimmune disease, and to
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talk about how that childhood trauma and stresses like calumus. Guys, right,
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we gotta fix it. We gotta fix it. So Doctor David Bilstrom,
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MD is an autoimmune medicine specialist. He's quadruple board certified, I mean,
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come on, man, in anti aging and rejectative medicine, integrative medicine,
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physical medicine and rehabilitation, and medical acupuncture. He is the director of the
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International Autoimmune Institute and the being A Memorial Center for Functional medicine and the author
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of the book The Nurse Practitioner's Guide to Autoimmune Medicine. Taking a breath because
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there's more. That's how awesome he is. He works closely with his wife,
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Jody, who is a licensed clinical social worker an expert in how adverse
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childhood disease drives chronic disease. Together they help thousands of people a year Reverse
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Reverse, Reverse guys autoimmune and chronic diseases and on emission to change the way
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autoimmune disease is treated worldwide. And I would say viewed as well. So
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I'm going to roll out the red carpet free right now, emboid. You
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deserve that. Well, I haven't said anything yet, so I got to
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earn those those strifes. Oh man, Well, I've I've spoken to you,
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and I've listened to a lot of the things that you do, and
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I've been following you and you're pretty amazing, you and your wife, and
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i'd like to start today talking to you about how you started getting it.
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How did you get into being an autoimmune rock start? Because it had start
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somewhere right, and let's take it from there. It did so. Actually,
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my original area, especially as a rehabilitation doctor was a spinal cord injury
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rehabilitation, so everybody was paralyzing the neck down, waist down and had very
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unique and challenging health issues. Whether it was paining, bow bladder, you
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name it. It was challenging and to the point where the rehab doctors would
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end up becoming the primary care docs because just a simple over the counter supplement
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that you know, most people wouldn't think twice a while taking, like for
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science congestion, could actually kill that population. So you'd had medicines the side
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effects for so problematic. It just gets their speesticity or something else under control,
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and then the side effects would kick in. You couldn't use it.
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The change and I the med and you could easily run through your entire options
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of medicines, and they still have all these issues. It's always like,
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jeez, you know, it wouldn't be lovely. There's something out there that
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could help these folks, and wouldn't it be lovely with no side effects?
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And that's why I've found acupuncture and end up training at us L A thirty
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years ago and I came back and with eleven rehab partners in a rehab hospital
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more than two hundred rehab hospital. We were the last place and even got
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sent to. But if we couldn't help them, we had no place to
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send them. So when I came back, my partners are all like,
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all right, we have another option. It worked so unbelievably well for pretty
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much everything you know. I'm like, holy cow, what else don't I
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know that I never learned in my traditional training. And sure enough, there
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is a whole bunch of stuff that is out there scientifically that we now know
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that drives chronic disease, also's reverse chronic disease. So I'm on about a
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thirty year mission to change the way chronic disease is prevented and reverse. Now,
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in my own personal life, my son at a very young age got
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terrible asthma, terrible allergies. And there's no kid that I couldn't make asthma
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go away with a few accimental treatment. So I was like totally optimistic,
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Okay, this could be beast Okay. So it was asthma went away just
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like I expected that. All that allergy stuff was just so stubborn, and
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he was so miserable because all three year old eyes were like swollen shut.
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All this kind of stuff, and nobody could help. When we tried everything,
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even all the integrated medicine stuff, you know, urgal medicine, homeopathy,
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you know, all the traditional and non traditional interventions, enough it would
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help, and I go with Jesus, I'm going to have to figure this
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out myself. And sure enough, this is where I found functional medicine,
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which is basically asking the question to why do you have your heal health issue?
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You know, not what medicine kind of put it on his advantage for
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a symptom or two, but why do you get this thing? And he
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got better and I'm like, oh my gosh, this is like spectacular.
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And then several years later I was seeing more and more people with autommune disease,
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but also chronic disease of course that other people weren't able to help these
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folks with. They went to doc to doc to doc to doc and couldn't
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find any relief, couldn't even find diagnoses. And then I read this really
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sad story in the New York Times. The author herself basically couldn't work anymore.
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She was so sick and have been searching from doctor doctor doct for years
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and finally got diagnosed with showgrins. The automune disease it basically attacks like everything
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in the body. And so she finally got her diagnosis, but all she
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was offered with medications that would kind of try to take care of a few
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symptoms, because it didn't take care of why she had the showgrins, the
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why I kept pushing her the wrong way. She kept getting sicker and sicker
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even after she had a diagnosis. And I'm like, well, you know,
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in my practice, we've been reversing and preventing automune disease for a long
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time now. I've heard that story a thousand times. Oh my gosh,
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it's so sad that people still don't know that there's other options and if we're
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ever gonna change this, especially because so many and have automune disease nowadays,
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and somebody kids of course too, somebody's got to be out there and somebody's
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got to try to change the way automune disease is prevented and treated worldwide,
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including what we'd love to have as somebody in every community knows how to do
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this, so every community knows, well, we know where this stuff comes
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from, we know that we can reverse this stuff and they're not just offered
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medication options, and then they just kind of keep getting worse over time.
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It was just too sad and something had to be done. Yeah, and
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thank you for asking the why, because I think that the why behind a
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lot of everything is like, it's not, well, these are your symptoms,
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but why are you having these? What happened to you? What have
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you been through? And I know from my personal experience and also from talking
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to a million people now for this show as well, is especially from a
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women's perspective, we're not asked why. There are some assumptions that were dramatic
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and we're emotional and we've got all of these things, and we're like,
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yeah, we've got a lot of stuff going on. Why is it that
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women are more are affected in autoimmune disorders and diseases than men? Why is
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that? Because that makes me really really bummed out for us we had enough
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sick going on, man. That is absolutely right, And there's kind of
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two major reasons. Is One is a really common hormone imbalance called estrogen dominance,
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but I call it the most dangerous disease for women because estrogen and progesteron
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are two really important hormones individually, and we need each of them. Men
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have it, women have it, just different amounts. And so like estrogen,
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for example, keeps away heart attacks, keeps away strokes, it's great
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for the eyes. So estrogen keeps away cataracts, mechanic degeneration, it keeps
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alasta gross, it keeps away fine lines, wrinkles in your skin, your
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gout, knees. Estrogen all this wonderful stuff. But when you have too
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much estrogen compared to progesterone, oh my gosh, there's that estrogen dominance absolute
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drive the female body crazy. So it drives all the hormonal menstal things that
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you kind of reference before. So it drives that flows that cramps, ms
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a, variances, pressus fibers and demetriosis, all these kind of things.
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But also because estrogen revs and progesterone calms, it also drives excessive worry,
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anxiety, panic attacks, and insideia can't sleep. And so you hear that
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kind of list like, holy cow, is that super common right now?
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Unfortunately, the typical way of dealing with this a lot of it is,
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well you hear things like, well, you just had the most horrific mestro
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flow. You're fifteen years old, you're in your your desk at school and
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you have to walk out with your pants all you know, bloody. Well
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that's just part, that's just being a woman, you know, get over
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it. I got to the most horrific cramps ever. Oh my gosh,
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I'm double up. I'm miss school three days a row. Most just parting
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a woman, you just gotta do. And it's like that, that is
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so sad right there. But then also if if if something was done like
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oh, we're gonna put it on bird control pills for these terrible flows and
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crams, well the estrogen donals or control pills or estrogen basage and xcestogenoms worse.
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And so you look at that kind of stuff you go, well,
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that's that's bad enough. But also it is a huge disruptor of the immune
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system. And when you look at the immune system, it's a great example
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of how the body loves balanced, where you don't want to be too high,
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too low. There's always kind of a sweet spot right in the middle
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of everything like blood pressure, blood sugar. But we lose that set point
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in the middle of immune system. You actually move away from that set point
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in the middle, both up and down at the same time. So the
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up overactive immune system things are autoimmune disease where the immune system becomes confused and
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actually starts attacking our own body parts. We're basically self destructing, which is
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right, right, I'm never going to be a self destruct typically. Oh
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yeah, that's that's a big no no. Right, Hey guys, what
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do you think you guys want to go self destruct today? A little self
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destruction is okay, you know, just destructing. That's not good. Don't
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have eight glasses of wine, guys, like one or two. Find that
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sweet spot and stick it there. And then you also have of the more
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subtle things like allergies asthma and x amount or also these upregulated ones, but
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also that the underactive immune system things are infections including cold flus, recurrent infections,
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but also these infections that drive chronic disease, that drive you don't know
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you've got an infection, But we now know that every chronic disease has its
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infection component like epstein barr virus and some other ones, but also cancer risk.
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And so you get women with the estrogendominus before menopause. Right, So
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that's one reason why we think eighty percent of people that get automune disease or
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women is estrogendominous, but also it is a humongo driver or cancer. Where
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you go, Okay, So if you've got estrogendosical for menopause, you have
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a five point four times greater risk of getting breast cancer before menopause five point
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four times, oh my gosh, and a ten times greater risk a malignant
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cancer is your entire lifetime the ones that try. And so if you've got
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a woe with all this hormonal menstrual stuff, all this kind of read with
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al calm stuff, you it's bad enough as it is, but you know
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where they're going. And this is why it's so important to educate women that
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well, we know what does this, but we also know how to fix
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it because you don't need automny disease anymore, the cancers and all this stuff.
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And so this is when you look at now we know that autommune disease
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processes are part of so many chronic diseases that we didn't think they were part
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of before, like heart attacks, stroked dementia, Alzheimer's, outs to your
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porosis too. If you look at the top ten room reasons why women die
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probably aster deenominans, and this immune system disruption is probably part of about eighty
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eight percent of all female deaths the top ten causes. Holy crap. And
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then the second part, if that wasn't bad enough, Why women get most
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to automune disease is epigenetics, the things that turn on and turned off genes
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in our bodies. So we used to think that our DNA that tells ourselves
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what to do, every self as DNA was hardwired. Whatever we we get
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from parent, grandparents, you know, hopefully we get more good than bad.
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We're kind of stuck with it. But we actually know now that it's
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not what genes you have, is actually which ones get turned on and turned
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off at the genetics the things that influence gene expression. Now, there's ever
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so many genes that are bad that will try to make us feel sick if
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they're turn on. There's ever so many good genes that will make us feel
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healthy when they're turned on. Well, if you get flipped the wrong way,
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you start getting all these sealth issues. And this is why one reason
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why it's so easy you start getting health issues. They get not just one,
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but now I got a second, and a third and a fourth and
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it's this, and it's that, and oh, my goodness, what's going
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on because these cells are being told the wrong information by the genes that get
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and flipped the wrong way. Now, as it turns out, there are
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so many bad genes on the X chromosome, and women have two X chromosomes.
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Guys get one X one Y, and the X chromosomes two xes are
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in every cell in the woman's body. There are so many bad genes on
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the X chromosome that for women to be otimly healthy, she has to shut
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down at least eighty five percent of all the genes on the second next chromosome
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to be absolutely happy, almost totally shut down an entire chromosome in every cellar
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body to be obsolutely healthy. I am mind boggled right now. Now,
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even though super challenging, the body's super smart. It knows how to fix
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this stuff and it knows how to stay healthy. But it is so challenging
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for women to be healthy because of this. And that's one reason why,
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you know, so many women get automune disease, and so many women get
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cancer, so many women get just you know, chronic disease. In general,
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it is so challenging to be healthy as a woman. It is,
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and you couple that with trauma and stress, like, dear lord, it's
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like it's just a hot sesspool the wonder we get cranky a little bit now
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and again. You know, guys, I'm and you know how I am
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on the show like I don't make fun of this or making light I have
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been through so much so as you're talking, my brain is going a million
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miles an hour. I've always had health issues. I'm like going back through
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all of this. Every from the very beginning of time. I've had health
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issues of asthma. I still have asthma. You know, you start there
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and then you start working it through where I started my period when I was
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nine, so I was really early there. That's when a lot of my
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anxiety, insomnia problems started to happen. And there was sexual assault that came
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in shortly thereafter us. There was a little bit of that going on,
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and then it went into I had I'm polycystic, right, so, and
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I've had multiple surgeries on my ovaries, multiple surgeries on my uterus, I've
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had my appendix taken out, and then you add infertility. I had infertility
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treatment with my ex husband that did not work, but also all of that
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stuff. Then you add all of the trauma from being physically abused. Now
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we're adding up that, and now we've got CRPS. Why do we have
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CRPS? Do you think like light it all up on top of the fact
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that I couldn't get pregnant. I tried, and I tried, and I
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tried, and you know, it's just it was one thing after another,
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and I'm thinking about all these health issues and how they could have been prevented,
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and so I love that you talked about prevention, but you also your
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message is about reversing, because those are two incredibly powerful places to sit depending
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upon how old you are and where you are in your life with whatever disease
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you have currently, whatever autoimmune situation that you're in versus. You know,
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we're not quite there yet, but there are things that you mentioned about insomnia
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and the periods and all these things that are all telltale signs that something is
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going to lead her down the road. And when she's forty five years old,
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she's in a wheelchair, Like it's unbelievable to me. I'm I'm sad,
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but I'm also hopeful because that's what you give me is hope. This
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is why I want to educate the generations in their thirties, forties, fifties,
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and sixties, because you know, you've had this for solt people have
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this for so long. It's kind of like, well, yeah, I'm
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stuck. You know one of my I got no options. I tried medicines
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already and they didn't do well. No, no, you know, because
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we know what drives the stuff, we're always in a good position actually to
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make things a lot better. And if everything works really good, you know,
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profound reversal while people get but also then we can now pass it forward
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to you, even younger generations who are experiencing the hormonal mastural stuff right then
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and there or the anxiety bank attacks and go listen, you know your future
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can be different than the generations before you, because you know we're going to
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educate you that you don't have to just sit there and be told either that
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well that's just part of being a woman, or well you have an ambient
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deficiency or xm EX deficiency. Well then you go and well, no,
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actually I don't have za EX deficiency because you can be something. But your
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generations healthier and then because of epigenetics, you know, this is where you
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go, Okay, Well, if we can turn people's genes on the right
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way and turn you know, turn on the good ones, turn off the
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bad ones by age nineteen, we really set somebody to place where they just
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don't get stuff. But also we can do that before somebody has a child.
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We are passing on cleaning your genes to the next six day generations.
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It's not just a children that are healthy. The next six day generations are
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healthier. But when you think about that, you go, okay, this
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thing backwards. So each one of us is the product of the previous state
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generations before us. So when they had the adverse childhood events that flipped the
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genes of the individual who experienced that the wrong way, putting in a position
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to get chronic health issues. Well if they didn't because they didn't know how
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to do it, even back the intercourse, Well, how do I flip
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my genes back the right way once they get thrown the wrong way? Well,
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because I didn't know that, they just passed on those chromeier genes to
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the next generation, the next generation, the next generation. And that's one
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reason why we think, you know, so many young women have so many
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health issues, such as starting cycles at age nine or even as early as
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age five or you know whoa I thought I was early at nine. I've
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seen five year olds have started their menstrual cycles. And so you know,
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this is where the women are just getting in young women earls are just getting
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all these health issues that just weren't totally unheard of a couple of generations.
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That's that's an episode in itself, just there to talk about that, because
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I can't even imagine being five. It was hard enough being nine. You
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know, you're in fourth grade. Either was two girls. That was me
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and this girl, Debbie. I don't never forget it. We both started
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our periods at the same time. We both had boobs. We were so
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embarrassed all at the time, and we felt shameful and we felt guilty,
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and we didn't know. We didn't have enough information. And I was raised
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in a pretty conservative Christian home, and so that a lot of the reasons
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why I couldn't talk about stuff was because of that. Unfortunately, you would
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think that it would be actually the flip side of that, but whatever.
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So for me, it was a real challenge growing up. And then you
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start to develop those anxieties at such a young age for things that you don't
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know they are going to affect you down the road, you know, and
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not having the people around you from an adult perspective when you're nine, guiding
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you and helping you, and also identifying like, whoa, my daughter has
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all of these things going on and she's under fourteen, Like we gotta like
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wrap our brains around that that didn't happen. And I know it didn't happen
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for basically every single woman that I know, every single woman that I know
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that is in my life, is ill, every freaking one of them.
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They're all sick, they're all in pain, they're all insomniacs, they're all
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stressed out. I mean, it is like really really sad. And these
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are people I've known since I was thirteen, fourteen years old. So here
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we are. We've been through thirty years of our lives together and we're all
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in the same place. How do we start to fix this? How do
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we get engaged and how can we help other people to understand your message?
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Obviously I'm pushing out like crazy, but what are you doing to help us?
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Because we need it? We're sick, well I think I think the
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first one, the first thing and you touched on it is just knowing that
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there's a different way. Yeah, I don't know, there's a different way.
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You know, like there's no hope, right, you just keep doing
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the same thing and you think you're doing your best. But we know where
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this stuff comes from and we know how to put the buying position to start
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reversing these disease processes. That's the main thing people need to know that.
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But then also the science, it is fortunately very clear about what has to
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happen for the body be healthy, but also what happens when they turn the
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body unhealthy. And the gut is a real big central mechanism. So when
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the guts off, you can't digest your food and get the nutrients out.
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You start getting vinomin deficient and you need these vitamins to make things fix things
23:19
be happy and healthy. When the guts offt you cannot balance and keep stable
23:25
this big hormone symphony in women, for example, like the estrogen dominants.
23:29
You just can't get that estrogen dominants to clear to stabilize if the guts offt
23:34
And then when the guts off, you can't get red toxins from the body,
23:37
including toxical estrogens, So your body makes new healthy estrogens. Your opreis
23:44
do it before menopause. Your cells themselves make estrogen aftomenopause because you need it
23:48
for your whole life. But the new healthy estrogens get rid of inflammation,
23:52
help you be healthy all this, But then once they've been in your circulation
23:56
for a while, they get dinged and beat up, and now they're toxic
23:57
and irritatee the system. You gotta be able to run your detox pathway.
24:00
He's got to be able put them in the toilet. You gotta be a
24:03
play them in the gut and then put them in the toilet. Well,
24:06
those mechanisms gets thrown off, disrupted gut by him in deficiencies, and you
24:10
started hummeling these old toxic estrogens that drive estrogen dominance. When the guts off,
24:15
because eighty percent of the immune system surrounds the gut, you're going to
24:18
start getting these infections that drive chronic disease, like epstein bar and virus one
24:22
called herpes virus six, Sacki virus, micoplasma. We now know that infections
24:27
are part of every chronic disease because they drive, inflammation, and because they
24:32
tend to go all over the body, you know, they start getting all
24:34
these things all at the same time, including pretty much every one of them
24:37
likes to go with the brain and start creating brain related issues when the guts
24:41
offt it's so stressful to the body because now you got hormone imbalances, infections,
24:47
all this kind of stuff. Well, then that stress hormone, cortisol
24:49
gets kicked up into the stress mode. There's kind of fight or flight mode,
24:52
life or death mode. There's a bare chasement trying to kill me twenty
24:56
four hours a day, seven days a week. Mode. And even if
24:59
some of is jeezy, I don't really have stress. You know, I
25:02
got my life situated the way that I'm going to a lot of emotional stress.
25:04
Well that is super challenging, and somebody can do Wow, you need
25:10
to share how you do that. Then you got all these physical stressors,
25:14
you know, having a biomate efficiency it's just as stressful as you know,
25:17
emotional stress and affection and estrogenomas. So all those physical stressors kick cortisol up.
25:22
Well, then cortisol ideally is in our body to turn into court as
25:26
zone, which is a steroid hormone our body makes to get rid of inflammation.
25:30
That's why in medicine steroid so much. Well, here's a steroid cream
25:34
for rash to shoot up your noise and analogies here shooting your lungs for asthma.
25:38
Here swallowed. If you got let me shoot your knee with steroids.
25:41
But you buys should be able to get rid of inflammation on it zone.
25:44
But when that cortisol get stuck in the stress mode, it becomes very inefficient
25:48
at converting to cord a zone when you're starting all this inflammation. But then
25:52
when cortisol stuck in the stress mode, one of the very first hormones that
25:56
throws off is progesterone, and progester on that calming, quieting, I'm so
26:03
chill, I sleep like a baby. Hormone gets depleted and now you got
26:07
that double wham. We have too much estrogen, old toxic estrogens, not
26:11
enough forgesterone. Here's this estrogen, don said, is an absolute message,
26:17
just a driver of huge issues. So when you know these are the kind
26:21
of things, you go, okay, well we know what causes it.
26:22
Well, now we've in a position where we figured out, well, how
26:26
do we actually fix it. How do we fix all these things and then
26:29
start the body, you know, start flipping the good genes back on,
26:33
start flipping the bad jeans back off, Estrogen comes down, forgesterone comes up.
26:37
You take care of these really big central mechanisms, and that's when you
26:41
know, you stop women from getting one thing after another another, but also
26:45
from in a really good position to start working backwards. And I'm doing some
26:48
of the stuff that may have been present for decades by this time. Well,
26:51
and I love that. And like I mentioned earlier that I knew that
26:53
you were going to have a message of hope today, of course, because
26:56
I don't want to of people no mosses about like wow, that was a
27:00
Debbie downer, But that the reverse part is so incredibly important for especially when
27:07
we're talking to When I look at the demographics of who's listening to this show
27:11
from an analytics perspective, demographics are thirty to sixty five year old women and
27:18
forty five to seventy year old men. That's basically where I'm at. The
27:21
majority of sixty five to seventy percent of the people that are listening to our
27:23
women, which kind of supports what we're talking about how women are in more
27:27
pain, but I think we're also a little bit more apt to talk and
27:33
express some of our emotions and all that stuff. It's certainly now, but
27:37
man, what do we do in relation to how do you approach them?
27:41
Let's just take me for example. So I come to you with all the
27:45
things that we've just talked about, and you know, all the things from
27:48
physical and sexual trauma, to body traumas to asthma, to all of the
27:53
PCOS stuff. I've obsteen bar virus, I've had shingles a million times.
27:57
I've heard the simplex virus. I've got. You know, I've got a
28:00
ton of wonderful things going on of your big party. I feel like I'm
28:03
a walking Petrie Dish. What is your first step with somebody like me?
28:08
If I came to you, I'm like, these are all this is the
28:11
litany of stuff that's happened to me. What happened to you? Why are
28:15
these things happening? What would be your first step with somebody like me?
28:18
Well, well, first step You've always got to get rid of these infections.
28:21
And we always know they're there, even if we don't know which ones
28:25
until we test we always know they're there. So one of the challenges is
28:29
it's gonna be multiple infections. Once that kind of side door is left open
28:32
and one bug gets in, it is a party. It's multiple infections.
28:36
But they're not the infections that are easy to get rid of. Oh,
28:40
just take ten days of antibiotic or anti viral elbrets or something like that.
28:44
These are the ones that take at least three months, if not six,
28:47
nine, twelve months or sometimes longer to get rid of. Now typically people
28:51
start feeling a lot better just by getting these infectious numbers down, even before
28:55
they're fully gone. But you have to use something that will get rid of
28:57
any infection, no matter where, having umber, what kind it is,
29:00
whether you knows they' or not, and what we use. And I think
29:03
this is an absolute game changers out of a company out of Canada, and
29:07
it's called pH Structured Silver Solution. It's a nanosilver. It's not colloidal silver.
29:12
It's a nanosilver. But also besides get rid of infections, studies are
29:18
on skin cells and how skin cells heal so much faster when they use this
29:22
stuff. Is it actually starts turning on genes like inside skin cells to allow
29:27
the skin cell to heal, so you don't just get rid of the infections,
29:30
but you're actually, as far as we know, getting rid of the
29:33
inflammation and actually helping damage tissue heal at the exact same time. And it
29:40
doesn't buy accumulate. Some nobody's going to turn blue like you would if you
29:42
try to use colloidal silver. Ploidal silver is just not strong enough and it
29:47
accumulates. You know, you can use it to get rid of easy infections,
29:49
but not these dudes that dry chronic to use. So this is a
29:52
huge game changer. And then another huge game changer they don't hear people talking
29:57
about is well, here's a lot of people talk about vitamin indeed, and
30:02
this is where you know, we talk about gosh, estrogen donds for menopause
30:07
five point four times greater risk of breast cancer. And you're like, holy
30:10
how I am in bad shape. It's like no, no, no,
30:12
no, body super smart. We know, yes, people's vitamin D level
30:17
should be seventy to ninety, but if a woman just gets her vitamin D
30:19
above sixty, she has automatically decreased her risk of ever getting breast cancer by
30:26
bang right. But one thing you've got m to be perfect and you're just
30:30
kind of hitting the right direction kind of the thing. Wow, it's super
30:33
smart. I know. This is where you know prevention and reversal is not
30:38
as complicated as you know, sort of the traditional alepathic model makes it seem
30:42
like, well, how do I get how do I stay healthy? How
30:45
do I well change how you eat an exercise? Well, at the exact
30:48
same time that that's super vague, it's also like super complicated. Well,
30:52
so how do I Actually it's like, oh my gosh, no, no,
30:57
no, it's kind of like, okay, so get your viomin d
31:00
gut. That's a good one. But also every cell in your body has
31:03
receptors for viamin d, so that's the only reason why byomin d is important.
31:07
Every cell needs it. So every cell is a receptor, so buyom
31:11
d can attach or tell the cell what to do. So the data from
31:15
twenty eighteen was, oh, my goodness, if you can fix this viomin
31:18
d receptor resistance in the gut, so yomin d can do its work.
31:21
Because you can have all the buyam d in the world and you have a
31:22
resistance, you're not getting any bang right, right, But if you fix
31:26
that. You can fix the automune diseases of the guts, the Ulster applitises
31:32
and the Chron's disease and all this kind of stuff, and you can get
31:34
rid of recurrency depth and recurrent h Pylori infections that are whacking you. And
31:37
you got a hand a box all ther time, and you go, well,
31:41
that is a bit great because if we talk about autommune disease and say,
31:45
well, if we can fix the gut the ex central mechanism, we
31:47
can fix your atmune disease. How do you fix the gut when the automune
31:49
disease is actually attacking the gun? Right, It's like, we can't turn
31:53
off the automune disease because we can't fix the gut. The darn automune disease
31:56
is attacking the gun. Well, you fix this viomin D receptors, you
32:00
fix these autommune disease of the gup. But then they go, oh,
32:02
well, this's like exactly what you want to do for pretty much everything.
32:07
And since twenty eighteen, all these studies that come out that oh, by
32:10
the way, it pretty much can so like six months later, the exact
32:14
same researchers, you're a little shout out to my ALLA monitor. This is
32:17
from the University of Illinois in Chicago, where six months are they go,
32:22
oh, my goodness, you fix this viamin D receptor resistance. It is
32:24
a nuclear weapon quote unquote title of the article nuclear weapon against diabetes and metabolic
32:30
syndrome, So not just diabetes, but also adding them, awaking lesteral issues,
32:36
hire, checking stroke risk, all that kind of stuff. And then
32:39
last year Harvard Journalist Psychiatry comes out and go, wow, if you can
32:43
fix the intestinal microbiome the mix of good bad bugs in the gut with this
32:47
viomin D receptor stuff, you can treat measure depressive disorder. Another article comes
32:52
out and goes, wow, if you fix this intestinal microbiome, deal this
32:55
way, you become more outgoing and more social. It actually your personality traits.
33:01
And so it truly is this uber central mechanism, and it's actually not
33:07
super hard to fix because it's kind of most of these things go oh,
33:10
I've heard the work, So daily viamin D trying to be viamdi little perfect
33:15
daily probiotic, which everybody's heard of. Those first two, and then the
33:19
third one is something called peuter rate. It comes in a capsule form.
33:22
So we call this the foundational triad byamin D, probiotic and berrate. So
33:28
beaut rate is made by the good bacteria in the gut. Ideally, well,
33:31
the good bacteria makes sarah tone in to feel good neurotransmitter makes gabba,
33:36
the calming neurotransmitter makes all this important stuff. Well, it makes these things
33:39
called short chain fatty acids like buderate. Well, the gut gets messed up.
33:45
You don't have good bacteria. They get decimated by stress and antibiotics and
33:50
bird control pills and motions and ad bills and all the budger medicines, all
33:55
this kind of stuff. So you use it, and you can fix this
33:59
viamin D receptor resistance, and oh my gosh, what amazing stuff it does.
34:02
And then this computerate itself. Oh my gosh, it prevents cancer five
34:07
different ways. It actually treats cancer five different ways, having a patented version
34:14
of US being used for munk cancer nowadays. Already it's great for the brain,
34:17
it's great for the lungst Children with cystic by brosis where they're basically drowning
34:22
in their own secretions get better. Huntington's korea that the German neurologic disease benefits.
34:28
It's got a profound impact on preventing obesity, reversing obesity. It is
34:35
just unbelievably great. And it comes in a capsule form. Now, this
34:39
is where I think, you know, the body is so smart, but
34:43
we sometimes don't listen to what the body wants. So the only food source
34:46
of utterrate is butter. And this is why I think every culture in the
34:50
world uses butter. Now, of course, you know BB commercials say,
34:53
oh, we got this artificial stuff. You don't want real butter, you
34:55
know protein, Yeah, and the gut goes away a minute. I need
35:01
that stuff and the rest of it goes yeah, me too. You know,
35:05
whether it's cow's look butter, goats butter and him Himalayas they use yak
35:08
butter, or cultural world uses butter. So like for us with our little
35:14
cute kiddies with the juvenile rheumatory arthritis, you know, the cutest little two
35:17
year olds with a need the size of a basketball, so swollen and painful
35:22
they can't and walk. We're like, well, they can't swallow capsules,
35:23
yet, We'll go ahead and put butter on pretty much everything. You know,
35:27
after you cook it, just put butter on it. It always makes
35:29
everything taste better. It's amazing. Hold enough and take it in capsule for
35:32
him. Let's start doing that. So I think this is another really big
35:37
game changers the knowledge that if we can fix this buyomin dreceptor resistance that pretty
35:44
much is driving chronic multi organ system issues, and everybody, if they have
35:47
those issues, will you fix it. It really gets this domino effect of
35:51
spectacularly great stuff going in the right direction, cluing well, now your guts
35:55
so healthy, you can detox better, so you start getting rid of these
35:58
all toxic of estrogens. Cortisol because of why is so much better, goes
36:02
I feel so good, and cortisol moves from the stress mode of the calm
36:07
mode, and then you can start making progesm better on your own. And
36:10
then you fix this esrogen dominance. And then because these are such central mechanisms
36:16
are turning off the bad genes and your cells, you're turning on the good
36:20
genes and your cells. You start fixing this up the genetic stuff, and
36:22
it really puts to buying a position to start really for sure stop getting new
36:28
stuff on top of the old stuff, but also put your buying position to
36:30
start really reversing all the stuff that's been going on for just a decade.
36:35
It's so fascinating that, you know, especially coming from a place where we
36:39
chase all of this stuff because we are marketed to so hardcore in the chronic
36:45
paining community, right, We're always looking for another gadget, another cream,
36:49
another this, another that that is going to fix us. It's so frustrating
36:53
because we've thrown so much money at our bodies to only end up worse.
36:58
But I am tired of it. I mean I could have bought like five
37:00
houses in addition to ours now with the amount of money that I'm throwing at
37:06
my bod and not getting anywhere and getting frustrated. And you brought up earlier
37:10
about the like, oh, we'll just exercise and just eat better. Oh
37:14
my gosh. For somebody that deals with disordered eating, which I never did
37:16
before, that's fairly new. It's like three years old. I struggle with
37:21
giving my body nutrition because I'm in so much pain that I'm nauseous all all
37:23
the time. There's all of these things. I am like proof in the
37:28
pudding of all of these things that went wrong, and all of these things
37:31
that happen and all of these wise and all these what And now I'm here
37:35
in a pecher dish and I've got a million different microscopes on me from all
37:38
these different doctors and all these different places, and all these dissent tests,
37:42
and I've done all of them. I've done the Dutch tests, They've done
37:44
that, this tests, They've done it all. And here I am going
37:46
great, So now what now what? I have all of this, I
37:50
have all this information from all these places, and it feels so overwhelming,
37:53
and it feels so lonely because you're like, well, at the end of
37:58
the day, I'm the one that's living in the pain that I'm in,
38:00
and I'm living with my gut issues and so on and so forth. And
38:04
we don't always have to have actual like digestion issues if our guts are out
38:08
of whack, right, your gut, you don't necessarily have to like run
38:12
to every single bathroom if you have gut issues. It doesn't necessarily always turn
38:15
out that way, right mechanism, it could show off as everything but gut
38:22
symptoms. Right, So when we think about, oh, the gut health,
38:24
everyone's like, oh, well, we have to take care of our
38:25
stomach will of course we do. Our gut is its own little brain,
38:29
you know, but we need to be aware of well that actually might have
38:32
something to do with our gut, which really runs. I mean, you
38:36
said something really wonderful earlier. I believe you just said, eighty percent of
38:39
our like our organs are basically around our gut. Is that what you said?
38:43
What was it? The immune system surround the immune system surrounds the gut.
38:47
That's what I muys. Thank you for clarifying. Yeah, and that
38:50
was like, whoa. That kind of brings a lot to like because we
38:53
put you know, we punting process bus in and people are eating fast food
38:58
and putting junk in our bodies and candy and cokes and sodas and coffee and
39:00
booze and drugs and all this stuff on top of all the pills, an
39:04
excessive amount of supplementation. We do, I do believe in supplementation, absolutely.
39:08
I just I don't want to swallow fifty freakin supplements a day, you
39:12
know. And I think we've we've we've all of us have cupboards of this
39:15
stuff that we've purchased for our bodies, and they're all just there, you
39:21
know, I've got. I've got an entire hallway closet filled with crap that
39:24
I'm not using or taking. That's what I've got. And this is where
39:28
you know, I hear that story all the time. It's like everything that
39:31
you're saying is in some ways wonderful. Dutch tests, supplementation. You know,
39:37
I know I need to manage stress. I'm going to meditate and to
39:40
progress the most relaxation. I'm going to do this, this, and this.
39:44
It becomes so frustrating. It's like, well, why I am we
39:46
even doing this because it doesn't seem to be help. Yes, but what
39:49
we tell people's no, no, no, no. If we do testing,
39:52
we're going to see exactly the benefit that your insides have gotten from those
39:57
kind of activities. Oh absolutely, this that would have been terror. It's
40:00
not terrible that but have been terrible not with you because you've done these great
40:04
things. But there's a couple of real big central mechanisms get missed. Ones,
40:08
infections, ones, these buy them in D receptors and those kinds of
40:12
things are like they just get missed just by almost everybody. But when you've
40:16
done all this stuff before, you've set such a wonderful foundation to build from.
40:20
We're never starting from scratch. You've done all the great stuff you've done,
40:22
for example, is it's just that a couple of things got missed that
40:27
you're never going to get over the hump. And all we have to do
40:29
then is take somebody who already has this great foundation and get them over the
40:32
hump. They're already got this foundation bill. And so this is where we
40:38
just released our free online email course called Medical Bildtox dot com is where you
40:45
can access it, the Medical Build Detox course. And because you've done all
40:50
this stuff, you're like, holy talent. My medical bills are huge,
40:53
including just bought five files of supplements, and I'm still not great. Will
41:00
we take some free email course so everybody could get an email? Will we
41:02
take a real deep dive into each one of these real ex central mechanisms attempts
41:07
to get missed. And it's really how do you fix yourself? Course,
41:12
because if you understand the central mechanisms and how they get missed, but also
41:16
how to fix it, people are really in a position to get so much
41:20
traction all by themselves. Of course, we want somebody every community knows how
41:23
to do this eventually. But if people can do it themselves, well that's
41:28
the best it is. And it's you know, and somebody that's me.
41:31
I'm a complete control freak, like nobody's business duh, everybody that knows me
41:36
at this point. And you know, I always want to take matters in
41:39
my own hands. And I'm not great about asking for help. I'm certainly
41:42
better than I used to be, but I'm at this place. And this
41:45
is one of the reasons why I started this darn show of mine in the
41:47
first place. Was I was I was sick and tired of being sick and
41:51
tired, and I was I was going to doctors after doctors and doing all
41:54
this work and all this all this money, and none of it was going
41:58
anywhere. And I love that you Just again, another way of hopeful message
42:02
from you today is that all the things that we've been doing, even if
42:07
some of them have caused harm, we still have good stuff that we've been
42:09
doing. There are still things that we can work with. We're not that
42:13
broken. You know that you your message of hope in relationship, you've already
42:19
set up some kind of a foundation to work with. We all have something
42:21
to work with, you know, And looking at it that way is a
42:24
really good it's a real positive way to look at it. And it's not
42:29
that I don't look at my healthcare in a positive way. I never.
42:31
I didn't when I was first diagnosed. Took me a couple of years to
42:35
get to this place. But when I speak with people like you that do
42:38
offer hope, and it's not this like crazy scheme, you know, because
42:43
we fall for all of these traps. We're on Instagram at three o'clock in
42:45
the morning because we can't sleep, and do you know how many pain like
42:49
things I've clicked on and like added them to a car. I mean,
42:52
it is unbelievable how much we're being targeted at it, and we're talking about
42:57
something actually fairly simple when you get down to the brass tacks of it,
43:01
which is also frustrating, as like, wait a second, it could be
43:07
as simple as me actually taking vitamin D. I mean, I know there's
43:08
more to what you do, obviously, but it's just it's it's just it's
43:14
wonderful to hear that message because we were we feel fair we feel fairly defeated
43:19
out here, you know, we do you know, we gotta give a
43:22
shout out to the body because oftentimes when people are feeling so sick, they're
43:24
like, oh my gosh, body, you've totally abandoned me. Yeah,
43:30
you're terrible. You're making the body's like no, no, no, I
43:31
know how to fix this, and I'm I'm trying to fix this the whole
43:35
time you've had this. I'm trying to but something is in the way.
43:37
You gotta get this thing out of the way. Do you get this thing
43:39
out of the way. I can fix it, but I know how to
43:42
do this stuff because the body's natural default mode is always to move towards wellness.
43:47
We use as an example like you're walking around the house and bare feet
43:51
and you kick a chair leg. You hop around in pain, and you're
43:53
you know, you're trying not to cuss of the small children around. You're
43:57
like, oh my gosh, it's hurt so much, But you're not thinking,
43:59
oh great, I'm going to have this excruciating to pain my whole life.
44:01
I could be hop around on one foot in pain. We have such
44:05
confidence in our body's ability to heal, but we know within a two minutes
44:07
is it going to go way? And then you just try not to ever
44:09
do that again. Because it hurts so much. But then we get these
44:13
chronicle tissues and we're like, oh, body, you can't fix nothing.
44:15
You're just you know, oh my gosh. The body's like, no,
44:20
I know how to fix this. And this is where we get people like
44:24
like eighty four year old woman that's had something some six years of age.
44:28
Oh, well, I've gotten used to it. It's not my worst thing
44:30
now. I got a lot worst things now that I used to. Right.
44:32
Yeah, Like a couple of drinkers, it goes away and they're like,
44:35
oh my gosh, I've had this since I was six years old,
44:37
and I go, yep, I know I have on my notes right here
44:38
I was watching. I want to make sure we can get that thing to
44:40
go away, because if we do, we know we're on the right track
44:44
for all this other stuff. Wow, that's amazing, And it's I'm frustrated
44:50
listening to this at the same time as I'm hopeful because I'm sitting here for
44:54
a reason and my body, like you're saying like no, no, no,
44:58
My body's saying yeah, yeah, I got this, don't worry about
45:00
my body's screaming at me. You know, started as a whisper didn't really
45:05
listen, didn't pay attention. I'm like, oh, that's weird. My
45:07
right big toe went them. You know, maybe that'll go away. And
45:09
then the next thing I know, it's crept up my entire body and it's
45:12
in my guts and it's in it's full body crps, like gross, what
45:15
the hell? Because I didn't listen from the very beginning of that whisper.
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And now I'm screaming that my body's screaming at me. And I'm trying the
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best that I can. I'm failing in so many places, and I don't
45:25
know why or how I've gotten to that place where I'm incredibly bright. I'm
45:30
incredibly fun to be around. You know. I love to cook. I
45:36
love to do these things. I love to you know, I just don't
45:38
eat well. Not because the food that I put in my body isn't good
45:42
for me. It's just I don't eat enough, you know. So I'm
45:45
bummed I didn't meet you seven years ago. Let's just put it that way,
45:47
all right. You know, even when that first toe went no,
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it's kind of like, so, so what do you do other than just
45:57
kind of hope? Right, because you're like, well, you know,
46:00
people just don't know that things come from someplace and there's things and typically but
46:04
that it takes ten to twenty years for a person to feel their very first
46:07
symptom after the holdings started. WHOA, the body fights the fight, trying
46:13
to reset, it's trying to fix it year after year, ten twenty years,
46:16
and then somebody goes, hey, this is kind of weird. My
46:19
knee hurst today. I don't have any idea why that happened. It's probably
46:21
ten to twenty years in the making. And but if people don't know where
46:25
that stuff comes from, they're just going to hope for the best. Then,
46:29
you know, hope it doesn't get worse and new things happen. But
46:30
what we're hoping is that people know, well, Jesus, when that first
46:32
thing happens, it's been there a while. Your body's fight in the fight,
46:37
but it just kind of lost control. It finally hadn't let it go.
46:39
And but you're not just you know, here's a medicine, here's you
46:45
know, mo tr and advil for the knee pain. It's like, now
46:46
there's a reason behind it. And then people go, hey, you know,
46:50
I think there's a way I could do this myself. Because I've heard
46:52
where this stuff comes from. Yeah, now we're like ninety percent the way
46:57
there. I love it. Yeah, well, and empowering as a may
47:00
kings feel that we aren't out of control, that we can control what's happening
47:05
to our body. Were made to be felt like well, you're not gonna
47:07
be able to do this without this pill, or you're not gonna be able
47:09
to do this with unless you have this surgery. You're not gonna be able
47:12
to do this without this. And so we've been grinded those messages into our
47:15
heads and into our hearts and into our bods, and the frustrating doctor's appointments
47:20
in and out, in and out. It's a full time job to do
47:23
that. And so you get to the point where you're like, well,
47:27
you know, I guess like your point with that, the older lady,
47:30
you know, you go like, well, I guess this is just what
47:31
I gotta do with. It's gonna roll with the punches. I'm gonna bite
47:35
on a stick and get through it. I don't want to bite on a
47:37
stick. I don't want to just get through it. I want to live
47:39
and breathe and thrive and strive and get back on the slopes and get back
47:44
on a bike and get back into yoga and do all the things I used
47:47
to do. You know, but I'm sat in in a wheelchair and it
47:51
feels like I have worms crawling. Hot lava worms is what I call them.
47:54
My wormy spermy is hot lava worms running through my veins and my legs,
47:59
and you can see my pain moving through my leg It is like science
48:04
fiction. And so when you talk about infection, holy Moly's the first thing
48:08
that makes me trigger about my little wormy squirmis like I feel like I'm being
48:13
invaded by aliens and I'm not being like me and my personality, my funniness
48:17
or whatever that is like legit like I feel like I have an alien in
48:21
my body running around and rocking havoc, driving me batshit. Well, it
48:29
is some of these infections that drive chronic health issues coming come from the outside.
48:34
Those other ones that just naturally get in. They've been in this our
48:36
whole life. Then you have to have healthy immune system to keep it dormant,
48:39
you know, your whole life. And so a classic example we use
48:43
is the virus that causes chicken box. Right, so be gaus this obvious
48:46
chicken boxing, but then it lies dormant right outside the spine. Ideally lies
48:51
dormant because your mune system is health. It keeps it quiet. But then
48:53
I f the missus wis in control. That's when you get the shingles and
48:57
you go crud. You know, immune system. Dude, what were you
49:00
thinking? Why'd you let this guy wake up? You know? And the
49:04
music just like, sorry, sorry, I was trying to keep it quiet.
49:07
But those other darn infections and the cortissolved the vitamin D receptors and you
49:12
know that kind of stuff. It's like I tried my best. We'll get
49:15
it real back in again. We'll get it dormant and then help me here
49:20
and we'll we'll never let it happen again, you know kind of a thing.
49:22
Well, it sounds like you're here to help us to never have it
49:25
happen again, if that is loud and clear in this episode. So from
49:30
if we're taking anything, guys, we're taking hope from doctor Bilstrom. He
49:34
is just incredible. And before we jam out, is there anything that we
49:37
can leave our listeners with before we head out of here? You know,
49:42
the body's got amazing healing potential, so never know, even though it may
49:45
take a while, and even though it may seem, you know, slower
49:47
than we like. Every year, the body keeps fine tune and be like,
49:51
oh, I've been at this for five years, but at the sixth
49:53
year mark, I feel there, and I did the five year mark.
49:55
At the seven year mark, I felt there and did it last year.
49:58
You know, it's just kind of gets in the right position. It keeps
50:00
fine tuning. So if a person can hang in there, the body's like,
50:04
hey, you know, I got you to see me some time.
50:06
Sometimes it happens really quick, but sometimes it's kind of that slow and study
50:09
when's the race. But you got to have, you know, confidence in
50:13
your bisability to heal. Yes, and don't give up, because we are
50:15
not giver upper on this side of the mic, that is for sure,
50:19
and I know you aren't either, And thank you for doing the work that
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you and your wife both are doing. I find him online. It's very
50:24
easy to find him. Everything is consistent, and thank you for that.
50:28
From a branding perspective. You can find him everywhere on Instant and Facebook and
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YouTube and Twitter, his website, all of it is doctor David Bilstrom dot
50:35
com or doctor David Bilstrom on instant all the socials. I'll put all of
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that instow notes, of course, and don't forget to go out and grab
50:42
a book. It's called The Nurse Practitioners Guide to Autoimmune Medicine Reversing and Preventing
50:45
All Autoimmunity. And don't forget about the free email course that he mentioned at
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Medical Bill Talk. Why don't you say that one for me? It's a
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bit of a hospel a medical billdebox dot com, no space. I missed
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the D in front of the D Talks. I was like, Medical Bill
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toxic is not correct. Wend Thank you so much for your time with me
51:09
today. It's been a pleasure. I was looking forward to it so much
51:12
and it's of course, it just went over expectations. So thank you so
51:15
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