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The Kenny Report | 18 May · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Live from the sky New Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 3: Good evening.
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  Speaker 4: I'm Jamie Rogers filling in for Chris Kenny.
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  Speaker 3: Coming up tonight.
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  Speaker 4: Alarm bells in the property market as auction clearance rates plummet.
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  Speaker 4: I'll speak with a leading auctioneer. He'll break down what
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  Speaker 4: Labour's broken budget promises mean for the market. We'll move over,
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  Speaker 4: Prime Minister. It seems we now have President Bowen. Yes,
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  Speaker 4: the Department of Climate Change and Energy has created an
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  Speaker 4: Office of the Presidency just for Chris Bowen and I'll
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  Speaker 4: cross to the UK as a former Aussie actress calls
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  Speaker 4: for Australians to be patriotic and stand up for their country,
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  Speaker 4: plus plenty more.
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  Speaker 3: Let's get into it.
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  Speaker 5: Well.
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  Speaker 4: Jim Chalmers called it the most ambitious budget in decades.
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  Speaker 4: Australians appear to have called it something very different to
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  Speaker 4: day's news. Poll published in The Australian should send a
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  Speaker 4: warning shot straight through the Treasurer's office. Fifty two percent
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  Speaker 4: of Australians say they believe they will be worse off
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  Speaker 4: over the next twelve months because of this budget. Just
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  Speaker 4: eleven percent think they'll be better off, and, perhaps most
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  Speaker 4: remarkably of All News poll says this is the worst
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  Speaker 4: received federal budget since Poor Keatings in nineteen ninety three.
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  Speaker 4: More than half the country has looked at this budget
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  Speaker 4: and thought this government is making my life harder. Despite
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  Speaker 4: concerns the budget will damage the economy and leave Australians
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  Speaker 4: worse off, Labour's primary vote remained at thirty one percent,
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  Speaker 4: The Coalition slipped another point to twenty percent, while One
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  Speaker 4: Nation surged from twenty four to twenty seven percent. This
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  Speaker 4: same poll found sixty percent think Labour's housing measures are
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  Speaker 4: a step in the wrong direction or will make no difference,
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  Speaker 4: and forty seven percent of Australias believe this budget is
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  Speaker 4: deliberately driving a wedge between younger and older generations. So
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  Speaker 4: even on Labour's own argument that this was about generational equity,
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  Speaker 4: voters are rejecting the pitch by almost two to one.
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  Speaker 4: Deputy Liberal Leader Jane Hume said today's poll should be
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  Speaker 4: a concern for the government.
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  Speaker 6: Well should they not for armbills for labor. Let's face it,
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  Speaker 6: Australians have woken up to the fact that they have
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  Speaker 6: been lied to by their government. They've been lied to
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  Speaker 6: and they're now going to face higher income taxes, taxes
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  Speaker 6: on savings, taxes on their businesses, taxes on startups.
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  Speaker 4: Now, Jim Chalmers tried to get ahead of that criticism
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  Speaker 4: this morning.
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  Speaker 7: Difficult decisions, but the right decisions to get more Australians
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  Speaker 7: into more homes and we're fixing that broken status quo
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  Speaker 7: in housing over the years to come, and that is
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  Speaker 7: worth any near term political cost that we might pay.
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  Speaker 7: It would surprise me more if we got some sort
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  Speaker 7: of bounce in the polls from the difficult decisions that
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  Speaker 7: we took in the budget. The budget was full of
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  Speaker 7: hard decisions and not handouts.
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  Speaker 4: Hard decisions. That's one way to describe it. Another way
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  Speaker 4: would be this a budget built on broken promises disguised
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  Speaker 4: as reform because Australians were not told before the election
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  Speaker 4: that Labour was preparing one of the biggest rewrites of
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  Speaker 4: the country's investment and tax systems in decades. This budget
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  Speaker 4: doesn't tweak the settings around the edges. It reaches deeper
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  Speaker 4: into family trusts, investment properties, savings and inherited assets, and
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  Speaker 4: now even labor ministers are struggling to explain it. Social
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  Speaker 4: Services Minister Tanya Plibasek has refused to agree that the
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  Speaker 4: tax on discretionary trust is a death tax.
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  Speaker 8: If you have a testamentary trust set up, will it
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  Speaker 8: be taxed more after July next year?
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  Speaker 9: Well, like I said, there's more than one type of
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  Speaker 9: testamentary trust. That there's the the discretionary ones and the
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  Speaker 9: fixed ones.
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  Speaker 3: But can I say, if it's a disary one, we
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  Speaker 3: tax more? Next real?
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  Speaker 8: Lie?
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  Speaker 9: Yes, thirty percent on the discretionary ones.
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  Speaker 3: But now next see you will This is.
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  Speaker 9: The reason we're doing. This is the reason we're doing No,
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  Speaker 9: it's not because you can still have a fixed testamentary
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  Speaker 9: trust if you want to.
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  Speaker 4: Can you believe that the Prime Minister chastised journalists fifty
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  Speaker 4: times during the election period when asked to confirm that
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  Speaker 4: Labor wouldn't touch negative gearing and capital gains. A mere
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  Speaker 4: twelve months later, the government not only performed a backflip,
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  Speaker 4: but they've thrown in a twist and a double pike.
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  Speaker 4: Labor refused to be transparent with voters about discretionary trusts
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  Speaker 4: being hit by a minimum thirty percent tax on distributions.
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  Speaker 3: This is a death tax.
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  Speaker 4: The refusal to be honest with the Australian people is
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  Speaker 4: just insulting. A separate freshwater released yesterday reinforced just how
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  Speaker 4: raw that feels. More than eighty percent of voters surveyed
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  Speaker 4: said Labor had broken its promise to leave property tax
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  Speaker 4: concessions unchanged. That is not political division, that is public disbelief.
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  Speaker 3: So it's not.
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  Speaker 4: Surprising to see Nine's Resolve poll showing Opposition leader Angus
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  Speaker 4: Taylor as the preferred prime minister for the very first time,
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  Speaker 4: with thirty three percent support compared to Anthony Alberzi's thirty percent.
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  Speaker 4: You can't lie to Australians and expect to get away
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  Speaker 4: with it. Labor is now finding that out. Every parent
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  Speaker 4: asking themselves whether their child is better off in formal
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  Speaker 4: childcare or at home with them, a senior government minister
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  Speaker 4: believes she has the answer, and a lot of mums
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  Speaker 4: and dads did not appreciate being told. In the lead
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  Speaker 4: up to last week's budget, Finance Minister Katie Gallaher said
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  Speaker 4: the sooner you get a child into early education or care,
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  Speaker 4: the better prepared they are by the time they enter
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  Speaker 4: formal schooling. Now, when The Daily Telegraph asked Miss Galaher
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  Speaker 4: if she stood by those comments, the Minister's office said
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  Speaker 4: the word educational was missing from the quote that Miss
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  Speaker 4: Galaher said. Early educational care not early education or care,
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  Speaker 4: a distinction without much of a difference, frankly, because the
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  Speaker 4: meaning is the same. Institutional care good home care not
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  Speaker 4: as good. Telling families what is the right way to
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  Speaker 4: raise their children is problematic in places like Woollongong, where
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  Speaker 4: the wait list for childcare is two years. In other areas,
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  Speaker 4: the cost of two hundred and twenty dollars per day
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  Speaker 4: for per child in childcare makes it unaffordable for many
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  Speaker 4: families and this is a reality that Labour doesn't want
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  Speaker 4: to talk about. This budget put three point six billion
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  Speaker 4: dollars to wark It's childcare worker wages. Paid parental leave
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  Speaker 4: was expanded and on the surface that sounds generous, but
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  Speaker 4: what it does not do is give parents any say
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  Speaker 4: in how that support is used. The childcare subsidy remains
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  Speaker 4: locked to approved formal providers. If you want to use
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  Speaker 4: it for a nanny or a grandparent arrangement for family
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  Speaker 4: daycare in the home, you can't. The money flows to
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  Speaker 4: the institution, not to the family. National Senator Bridget mackenzie
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  Speaker 4: made the point directly. She said the evidence is clear
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  Speaker 4: globally that the longer children under three can stay with
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  Speaker 4: primary cares, the better the developmental outcomes. There is no
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  Speaker 4: one size fits all for children, parents, or how to
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  Speaker 4: care for them. So why do we set up a
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  Speaker 4: system to support parents that only prioritizes one model of care. Well,
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  Speaker 4: that's the right question, and it's one the Coalition need
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  Speaker 4: to be asking loudly because it presents a major political
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  Speaker 4: opportunity to distinguish themselves from Labour's one size fits or
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  Speaker 4: model One Nation has already moved first, announcing an income
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  Speaker 4: splitting policy that would allow household income to be divided
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  Speaker 4: between partners for tax purposes, effectively making it easier for
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  Speaker 4: one parent to stay home without being financially penalized for it.
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  Speaker 4: The Coalition is yet to formally outline its childcare policies,
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  Speaker 4: but there are growing expectations that will look at giving
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  Speaker 4: families greater flexibility in how childcare subsidies can actually be used,
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  Speaker 4: and frankly, this should be a natural fight for the
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  Speaker 4: Liberal Party. For decades, conservatives have argued that the family
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  Speaker 4: is the basic unit of society and that the role
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  Speaker 4: of government is to support families in making their own decisions,
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  Speaker 4: not engineer those decisions from Canberra. Well, this is the
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  Speaker 4: moment to prove they actually mean it. Jen Fleming, who
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  Speaker 4: runs the advocacy group Childcare Choice, put it simply. She said,
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  Speaker 4: parents want the best for their children, and we know
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  Speaker 4: our children best. The government shouldn't be involved in telling
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  Speaker 4: us how to raise them. They should be supporting us
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  Speaker 4: to pick the best things that work best for our children,
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  Speaker 4: our family and our work schedule. And honestly, this is
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  Speaker 4: not some radical political statement. It is common sense because
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  Speaker 4: most parents are not asking the government to raise their
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  Speaker 4: children for them. They are simply asking for the freedom,
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  Speaker 4: flexibility and support to make the decisions they believe are
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  Speaker 4: best for their own family. But instead, what they got
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  Speaker 4: during budget week was a government lecturing them about the
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  Speaker 4: right time to send their babies into institutional care, while
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  Speaker 4: funneling another three point six billion not to families themselves,
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  Speaker 4: but to the childcare system Labor wants them to use.
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  Speaker 4: Choice shouldn't be controversial. Every family is different, every child
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  Speaker 4: is different, and no politician in Canberra, no matter how senior,
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  Speaker 4: is entitled to declare one model of parenting morally superior
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  Speaker 4: to the other. The role of government should be to
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  Speaker 4: back parents not replace their judgment, because at the end
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  Speaker 4: of the day, ministers don't know your child better than
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  Speaker 4: you do. Fred Schevesta, who co founded Finder dot com
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  Speaker 4: dot au. He bet early on bitcoin and one he
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  Speaker 4: built one of Australia's most successful fintech companies, and his
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  Speaker 4: message to the next generation of ambitious young Australians this
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  Speaker 4: week was simple. Leave telling the Australian there are way
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  Speaker 4: better opportunities overseas. Go to any other country and you
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  Speaker 4: will thrive Here You're stuck in a regime of extreme
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  Speaker 4: government control. These are the words of someone who succeeded
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  Speaker 4: here and now believes the next generation cannot. And the
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  Speaker 4: reason is is Jim Chalmer's decision to abolish the fifty
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  Speaker 4: percent capital gains tax discount, a tax setting that has
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  Speaker 4: underpinned how startups attract investment, recruit talent and reward risk
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  Speaker 4: for decades. In its place comes an inflation indexed model
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  Speaker 4: and a new minimum of thirty percent under the inflation model,
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  Speaker 4: which will mean businesses will likely pay closer to forty
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  Speaker 4: seven percent from July next year. Now, the government will
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  Speaker 4: tell you this is all about housing affordability, about fairness,
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  Speaker 4: and about helping younger Australians buy their first home and
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  Speaker 4: there is a legitimate conversation to be had around that.
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  Speaker 4: But this is a blunt instrument and it is landing
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  Speaker 4: squarely on the people who actually build things. Because what
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  Speaker 4: labor appears to not understand is that startups do not
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  Speaker 4: operate like traditional businesses. Founders often spend years without proper salaries.
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  Speaker 4: Early employees accept lower pay in exchange for equity. Investors
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  Speaker 4: take enormous risks knowing most startups fail. The reward at
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  Speaker 4: the end is supposed to justify the risk at the beginning,
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  Speaker 4: but under these new tax settings that equation changes dramatically.
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  Speaker 4: Matt Barry, founder and CEO of freelancer dot com, called
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  Speaker 4: this Albanese's WorkChoices moment. He said the government had united
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  Speaker 4: a huge number of people against it and warned the
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  Speaker 4: policy would drive capital, talent and companies away. Sky News
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  Speaker 4: Business editor Ross Greenwood says there is international reality that
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  Speaker 4: labor cannot escape effectively.
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  Speaker 1: The government tonight has told any young person coming out
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  Speaker 1: of university with a really smart idea that they think
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  Speaker 1: they can turn into a business, go and base yourself
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  Speaker 1: in Singapore, or go and base yourself in America. Don't
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  Speaker 1: do it here because otherwise, if you make a lot
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  Speaker 1: of money, you're going to share it with the government.
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  Speaker 4: Now, Singapore and New Zealand they have zero capital gas
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  Speaker 4: as tax. Canada specifically carved out protections for entrepreneurs when
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  Speaker 4: reforming its own system, and the United States, Australia's biggest
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  Speaker 4: competitor for talent and capital, allows qualifying startup founders to
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  Speaker 4: exclude up to fifteen million dollars in capital gains Entirely,
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  Speaker 4: Australia is moving from an effective capital gains rate of
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  Speaker 4: around twenty three percent to forty seven. Thomas Kelly, the
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  Speaker 4: co founder of Heidi Health, warned this week that the
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  Speaker 4: value of startup equity has now been significantly diminished, meaning
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  Speaker 4: Australia becomes less attractive to talented workers deciding where to
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  Speaker 4: build their careers. Boostjeo's founder Jeanine Alice warned the changes
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  Speaker 4: could discourage Australians from ever taking the risk to build
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  Speaker 4: something new in the first place.
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  Speaker 10: People got to remember that when you start a business,
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  Speaker 10: you put everything on the line, and most fail, like
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  Speaker 10: four and a five fail, And so I would put
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  Speaker 10: my house on the line.
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  Speaker 3: I put everything on.
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  Speaker 10: The line and then I work my absolute butt off,
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  Speaker 10: risk everything, be away from my family etc.
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  Speaker 3: To then eventually make a profit.
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  Speaker 10: And give nearly half half.
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  Speaker 11: To the government.
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  Speaker 10: Oh my god, that is just that is just so unfair.
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  Speaker 10: It doesn't allow you get ahead, It doesn't inspire you
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  Speaker 10: to actually take the risks that you.
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  Speaker 3: Need to take.
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  Speaker 4: The government should be encouraging Australians to take risks, build businesses,
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  Speaker 4: create jobs and develop the industries, technologies and services that
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  Speaker 4: will drive the.
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  Speaker 3: Country's future Prosperity.
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  Speaker 4: Treasurer at Jim Chalmers has since indicated there will be
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  Speaker 4: consultation with the tech and startup sector, but that consultation
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  Speaker 4: is happening after the announcement. They're building the plane while
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  Speaker 4: they're flying it, which isn't surprising from a government that's
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  Speaker 4: filled with ministers who have never run a business or
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  Speaker 4: voked in the private sector, have never faced the uncertainty,
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  Speaker 4: and now many of these startups are looking overseas. Think
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  Speaker 4: of canvas at lassion After Pay we celebrated these companies
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  Speaker 4: as Australian success stories, but the conditions that made them possible,
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  Speaker 4: the ability to reward risk, attract talent through equity, and
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  Speaker 4: build globally competitive companies here in Australia. This government is
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  Speaker 4: legislating those conditions out of existence. You cannot tax aspiration
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  Speaker 4: into existence and you cannot build a more innovative Australia
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  Speaker 4: by punishing the people willing to take the risk. The
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  Speaker 4: landmark ruling in the Federal Court on Friday in the
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  Speaker 4: Gigle versus Tiggle case has reignited debate around women's spaces
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  Speaker 4: and sex based rights, as well as the legal definition
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  Speaker 4: of gender in Australia. The case centered around where they're
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  Speaker 4: a biological male identifying as a woman could lawfully access
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  Speaker 4: a female only app, and the decision is already sparking
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  Speaker 4: strong reactions from across the political spectrum. Joining me now
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  Speaker 4: is Member for Lindsay and Shadow Minister for Women Melissa Macintosh.
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  Speaker 3: Melissa, it's great to see you.
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  Speaker 4: This Giggle Versus Tickle case has become so much more
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  Speaker 4: than just an app. Many women say it goes to
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  Speaker 4: the heart of whether they're allowed to actually have spaces
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  Speaker 4: based on biological sex.
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  Speaker 3: What did you make of the decision?
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  Speaker 5: Thanks for having me on and you're right, there's been
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  Speaker 5: a groundswell of women right across the country who have
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  Speaker 5: pretty much just had enough, and I think this case
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  Speaker 5: and the outcome has just been the tipping point for
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  Speaker 5: many women who've been fighting against the original amendments to
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  Speaker 5: the legislation way back in twenty thirteen under Primary Gillards.
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  Speaker 5: So this is a very disappointing. That's probably a soft
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  Speaker 5: word for how many people are feeling right now the outcome.
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  Speaker 5: But this is set to precedent, So if you can't
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  Speaker 5: go on this space or sor if you can go
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  Speaker 5: on this space as a transgender woman, it probably means
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  Speaker 5: that you can go into other biological women's spaces as well.
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  Speaker 5: This is a big concern and that's why the Coalition
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  Speaker 5: has committed to amend the Sex Discrimination Act. This sounds bad,
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  Speaker 5: but it can get worse, and it has gotten worse
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  Speaker 5: when we've had men convicted of serious crimes change their
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  Speaker 5: gender to get a lesser sentence or to be moved
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  Speaker 5: to a woman's prison, and there are multiple cases of
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  Speaker 5: that occurring, and that is abhorrent. Women want to be protected,
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  Speaker 5: they want to be safe, and they do just want
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  Speaker 5: to have their own spaces and that's fair enough.
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  Speaker 4: And I know I did think it was really good
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  Speaker 4: that Angus did come out and say that this would
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  Speaker 4: be a first term priority if you were elected into government,
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  Speaker 4: although that could still be two years away. What can
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  Speaker 4: the coalition do now to push the government to make
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  Speaker 4: these urgent amendments.
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  Speaker 5: I would like to say to the women and men
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  Speaker 5: watching your program, what can you do now? I'm very
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  Speaker 5: much a community focus member of Parliament and I'm talking
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  Speaker 5: about the whole of the Australia community here. If you
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  Speaker 5: want change, there is nothing louder than a change coming
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  Speaker 5: from the people of Australia. So I've opened up a
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  Speaker 5: survey to seek feedback. I don't want this to be
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  Speaker 5: a battle of the trans community against women.
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  Speaker 3: It's not about that.
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  Speaker 5: So I want to hear all sides that will allow
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  Speaker 5: us to put pressure on the government. Where are they
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  Speaker 5: on this issue? I haven't heard boo from them. The
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  Speaker 5: government claims that they they are big supporters of women
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  Speaker 5: and every opportunity in Parliament. They talk about how many
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  Speaker 5: women are on their back benches and how many women
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  Speaker 5: are on the front bench. Yet they are so quiet
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  Speaker 5: on this particular issue when it comes to women's rights.
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  Speaker 4: Wellsta, before I let you go, I do want to
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  Speaker 4: get your thoughts on today's polling. There looks as though
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  Speaker 4: there's enormous backlash around the government's budget.
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  Speaker 3: I know it's just the one poll.
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  Speaker 4: But it does show that Australia is they don't like
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  Speaker 4: being lied to, and I just think that that's what
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  Speaker 4: we're seeing now. And I think also Angus being so
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  Speaker 4: strong and is budget in reply is also translating to
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  Speaker 4: polling today.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, you're right on both accounts. Out in the community
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  Speaker 5: before the budget, people were not happy with the Prime Minister.
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  Speaker 5: A lot of people actually said we don't know anyone
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  Speaker 5: that voted for Labor last election. I think there's been
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  Speaker 5: a growing momentum that people becoming aware that the government's
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  Speaker 5: not doing anything for them, anything for the pressures and
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  Speaker 5: pain that they feel, and then to be lied to
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  Speaker 5: on top of that, I think that is a tipping
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  Speaker 5: point for most Australians. You can't have all the excuses
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  Speaker 5: in the world for lying and think that you're going
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  Speaker 5: to get away with it, particularly when the results of
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  Speaker 5: your bad budget leaves Australians in a worse off position.
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  Speaker 5: So I think from the government's perspective, they've done the
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  Speaker 5: wrong thing by Australians, and Australians hate lying politicians and
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  Speaker 5: from our end. I think it's allowed ANGUS and the
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  Speaker 5: Coalition to put place markers in the sand. We're on track,
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  Speaker 5: focus on the economy, and the Coalition always does well
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  Speaker 5: when we're squarely focused on the economy and improving the
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  Speaker 5: lives of Australians and getting our country back on track
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  Speaker 5: and getting our standard living back to where it should be.
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  Speaker 5: Because the outcome of that is Australians are in less pain.
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: They're getting on with their lives and, like your opening,
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: which so important, small businesses can get on with doing
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: what they do best.
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: No, you're just spot on there, Melissa. Thank you for
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: your time tonight. Keep prosecuting and taking that fight up
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: to labor. I really appreciate you joining me.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: Well.
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: For millions of Australian kids, online gaming is simply part
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: of growing up. But tonight serious questions are being raised
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: about what children are being exposed to on one of
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: the world's biggest gaming platforms. New world first research out
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: of the University of Sydney has found children using roadblocks
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: are being exposed to predatory spending tactics that experts warn
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: are normalizing gambling style behavior from an incredibly young age.
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: Joining me now is tech Guide editor Steven Fennick and
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: Stephen thank you. I must say I've got kids who
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: play Roadblocks, so when I saw this, I had alarm.
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: Bells were ringing for me. What is it that children
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: are being exposed to that has effectively normalizing this gambling
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: style behavior.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, good evening.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a big worrier. And you knowing all
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: about Roadblocks and the previous problems it had, this is
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: the last thing that it needed after being accused of
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: being a predator's paradise a few years ago. The now
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: what we're seeing is that the roebucks is sort of
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: what the in game currency is called, is to encourage
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: the child to spend the money that they've invested into
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: the game, So ten, twenty thirty bucks, whatever they're given.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: There's all these sort of coercive actions and gambling like
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: tactics to help them spend their money, to encourage them
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: to spend the money, so there's like a sense of
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: urgency they have, like as I mentioned, the loop boxes,
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: and it's really instead of it's gamifying gambling, which I
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: know you go on here to play games, but the
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: gamification is one thing, but also encouraging the gambling aspect
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: where they're almost putting across the fact that here's a discount,
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: let's have a look here, spend your money here, hurry up.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: There's that urgency, which is what you'd expect to feel
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: like if you're in a casino. So for young children
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: who are exposed to this, it could unfortunately lead to
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: forming these bad habits.
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: And one of the alarming findings is that some of
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: these tactics would likely.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: Be illegal outside the gaming world.
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: How are these platforms how do they manage though, to
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: operate in what seems to be such a regulatory gray area,
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: especially when you're dealing with kids between sort of six
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: and thirteen seems to be their target market.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: No, absolutely right, yeat brixt and water organization would would
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: be a different outcome. But what roadblockss get out is
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: that it's because there's no payout of any type of winnings,
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: they can technically get into that loophole where it's not gambling.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: But you're right, if this was I think the atrip
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: will see tap Woolies and Coals on the shoulder for
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: expressing trying to show off the fact that they've got
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: discounts when they're actually aren't discounts. Roadblocks is actually conducting
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: similar behavior here, but because it's online and in a
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: let's call it a niche game, although still played by
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: millions of people, it has been overlooked. So I'm glad
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: that this has come to the surface, because yeah, they
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: should be dealt with the same way as a bricks
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: and mortar company would be.
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: And Stephen, before I let you go, tech entrepreneurs have
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: mocked Labour's capital gains tax. Recently they're all posting AI
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: generated images of Anthony Albanese is their new founder.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: But behind that humor is obviously a very serious concern.
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: Are these tax changes making Australia a less attractive place
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: to build startups?
• 24:46
  Speaker 12: Absolutely?
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: Australia once had a reputation or hopefully still does as
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: being really a tech innovator. Australia has produced a lot
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: of games and apps and products that did well around
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: the world and developed right here in Australia. Now we
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: were seen as a great tech incubator for companies to
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: come and launch their startups here. Unfortunately, now these changes
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: of that to they need or miscarriage. It's not really
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: it's not really encouraging for startups. And I understand the
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: sweat equity that goes into it and the actual financial
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: equity that goes into it, and to see that the
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: other end you may lose nearly half of that. I
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: think people are going to be shopping elsewhere to develop
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: their apps and products and games.
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the flow and effect of these changes I think
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: is going to be quite astronomical. Stephen, thank you so
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: much for your time tonight. I really appreciate it.
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: Well.
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: After the break, growing concern over an Australian man now
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: based in Iran hosting an anti Western podcast.
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: We'll discuss that next welcome back.
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: Concerns are growing here at home after reports an Australian
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: man has relocated to Iran and is now hosting a
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: strongly anti Western podcast aligned with regime narratives.
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: Take a listen.
• 26:09
  Speaker 7: The stop romancing Islam.
• 26:12
  Speaker 13: Stop romancing this whole concept of peace when you.
• 26:15
  Speaker 9: Have a group of people who are wanting to sacrifice
• 26:18
  Speaker 9: their lives for their faith, and then you know you're
• 26:21
  Speaker 9: on the right track.
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: For joining me now in studio is riot counselor and
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: human rights advocate Tina Kordostami. And Tina, great to see you.
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: Thank you so much for coming in tonight, I want
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: to get straight into this cleric who lived in Melbourne
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: has fled over to Iran and then has used this
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: podcast platform to promote such anti Western propaganda and is
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: encouraging his listeners to go and support.
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: The Iranian regime.
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: What are your initial thoughts when you hear something like
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: that hypocrisy?
• 27:00
  Speaker 14: You know this man, he talks about oppression so much
• 27:03
  Speaker 14: in his podcast. I unfortunately had to sit down and
• 27:06
  Speaker 14: listen to all of them, and the hypocrisy is clear
• 27:11
  Speaker 14: for us all to see. Oppression is in Iran, where
• 27:14
  Speaker 14: women have no control over their identity, they have no
• 27:18
  Speaker 14: rights legally. Oppression is in Iran because people cannot choose
• 27:21
  Speaker 14: their faith, they cannot choose what political ideology they would
• 27:25
  Speaker 14: like to follow. That is oppression. So for him to
• 27:28
  Speaker 14: say that all of us in the West are pigs,
• 27:32
  Speaker 14: we are scum, that we are horrible people who support
• 27:37
  Speaker 14: oppression abroad, there's nothing but hypocrisy.
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: One of the things that stood out for me was
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: that he described conflict as an eternal battle of faith
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: and has said supporters should.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: Take up arms for Iran.
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: And I listened to that and I thought, at what
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: point does a rhetoric like that become a national security
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: issue for us because he is still an Australian citizen
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: and we have seen that isis brides have returned recently
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: to Sydney and Melbourne.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: But if this.
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: Gentleman was to return to our shores, which he is
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: able to do, how concerned would you be having a
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: mindset like that returning here?
• 28:17
  Speaker 14: Extremely just over the last few weeks we've been talking
• 28:20
  Speaker 14: about these telegram messages that have come directly from the
• 28:23
  Speaker 14: embassy itself. Why is he even able to maintain his citizenship.
• 28:28
  Speaker 14: This is a person who is very vocal about his
• 28:31
  Speaker 14: sustain of the West. He talks time and time again
• 28:34
  Speaker 14: in these podcasts about how Chaetan or the Devil is
• 28:38
  Speaker 14: controlling the West and how every Muslim is responsible for
• 28:42
  Speaker 14: fighting against this devil. He is encouraging others to take
• 28:47
  Speaker 14: up arms and fight the West. So he's not hiding
• 28:51
  Speaker 14: behind anything. He is posing a threat to not just
• 28:55
  Speaker 14: Australians but everyone.
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: What concerns you the most is it him spreading such
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: hateful anti West rhetoric or the fact that because he's
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: on social media, it's the young minds that have such
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: easy access to be able to listen to that and
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: them being convinced to follow in that way of thinking.
• 29:18
  Speaker 14: Well, look, that's always going to be a major concern
• 29:21
  Speaker 14: for all of us.
• 29:24
  Speaker 9: To see how so.
• 29:25
  Speaker 14: Many progressive movements have become more and more supportive of
• 29:30
  Speaker 14: the regime and those who represent it. I think that's
• 29:34
  Speaker 14: the most alarming factor for us in the Iranian diaspora.
• 29:39
  Speaker 14: We are being told, we are being lectured to by
• 29:42
  Speaker 14: every non Iranian out there, what our reality was in
• 29:46
  Speaker 14: Iran and what our families are going through. The propaganda
• 29:50
  Speaker 14: is working. We're enabling it us when we allow people
• 29:55
  Speaker 14: like him to maintain hold on to their citizenship, enabling
• 30:00
  Speaker 14: this language, We're enabling this community. We are sending a
• 30:05
  Speaker 14: message to them that they can basically get away with
• 30:09
  Speaker 14: whatever they want. So those of us who had to
• 30:12
  Speaker 14: run away from that country, I have so many people
• 30:16
  Speaker 14: messaging me every single day, desperately telling me that they're
• 30:19
  Speaker 14: trying to flee from Iran for me to help them,
• 30:23
  Speaker 14: and I can't do anything for them while this man
• 30:26
  Speaker 14: maintains his citizenship. There are people suffering under this regime,
• 30:30
  Speaker 14: and that makes no sense to me.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: That must be so heartbreaking.
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: Few when people reach out asking for you to help
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: them get them out of Iran. And I know you're
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: wearing a T shirt tonight to send a message as well.
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: You tell the viewers.
• 30:44
  Speaker 14: The Woman Live Freedom movements was instigated by the women
• 30:48
  Speaker 14: of Iran. It was one of the first female lead revolutions.
• 30:53
  Speaker 14: And if that doesn't show you what women in Iran
• 30:57
  Speaker 14: are going through, for them to do such a thing,
• 30:59
  Speaker 14: for them to get up after four decades of suppression,
• 31:03
  Speaker 14: of torture, of imprisonment, just for being themselves, for a
• 31:09
  Speaker 14: woman to lose her life just for showing this much here.
• 31:14
  Speaker 14: This is why this revolution took place. And this is
• 31:18
  Speaker 14: what the cleric that we're talking about today is trying
• 31:22
  Speaker 14: to remove from the history of this country.
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: The reality of.
• 31:26
  Speaker 14: Iran is that it speaks nothing but the language of oppression,
• 31:31
  Speaker 14: and this cleric clearly doesn't understand what oppression means.
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: It's incredibly concerning, isn't it. Tina, Thank you so much
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: for coming in tonight. I really appreciate it.
• 31:40
  Speaker 14: Thank you, Jane.
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: Well after the break, the housing market takes another hit
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: as uncertainty grows following the federal budget. I'll speak with
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: leading auctioneer Emma Brown Garrett next. Welcome back, new figures
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: are painting a worrying picture for Sydney's housing market. Fewer
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: than half the homes listed for auctions sold over the weekend,
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: with Sydney's preliminary clearance rate falling to just forty nine
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: percent according to cotality. It comes as confidence in the
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: market appears to be taking another hit following the federal budget,
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: with concerns around tax changes, affordability pressures, and broader economic
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: uncertainty all weighing on buyers and sellers alike. Joining me
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: now is auctioneer Emma Brown Garrett and Emma, thank you
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: so much for coming in.
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: Thank you for having to go. Thank you.
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: You are on the ground, you see firsthand everything that
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: is going on. Fifty percent seems to be a pretty
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: significant marker in the property.
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: Tell us about what you've seen and what's going on.
• 32:47
  Speaker 15: Absolutely, So, we had six hundred and sixteen options only
• 32:50
  Speaker 15: reported this week through cotality with a foot nine percent
• 32:52
  Speaker 15: clearance rate. As you said, we haven't seen numbers like
• 32:55
  Speaker 15: that since the same time twenty twenty, and it's just
• 32:59
  Speaker 15: before COVID, so we are definitely low. It's fair to
• 33:02
  Speaker 15: say that we're in a bit of a fragile market,
• 33:04
  Speaker 15: and one of the things that I'm seeing on the
• 33:05
  Speaker 15: ground mostly is that we've just got really low registration
• 33:09
  Speaker 15: numbers at auctions, so kind of one to two registrations
• 33:12
  Speaker 15: of buyers and just not a lot of engagement from
• 33:15
  Speaker 15: buyers on the auction floor, really holding back and just
• 33:19
  Speaker 15: tending to be very cautious. It's fair to say, well,
• 33:22
  Speaker 15: it's no secret that the state of the world has
• 33:24
  Speaker 15: definitely impacted Sydney the current city market one hundred percent.
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: Is this just a recent the past few weeks since
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: the war in Iran, or as the interest rates are increasing,
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: or was it off the back of the news with
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: the budget today and investors were concerned about negative gearing.
• 33:40
  Speaker 15: And absolutely, I feel like there's been a knock on
• 33:43
  Speaker 15: effect from when we've started to have our interest rate
• 33:45
  Speaker 15: rises and people have just been getting a little bit
• 33:48
  Speaker 15: more cautious, a little bit more nervous. But I definitely
• 33:50
  Speaker 15: think with the budget coming out and of course the
• 33:53
  Speaker 15: state of the world, it's just impacted people's choices and decisions,
• 33:57
  Speaker 15: and there is definitely a feeling of kind of holding
• 34:01
  Speaker 15: back and not wanting to jump, so to speak.
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: Tell us about when you are at an auction and
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: you do see first home buyers, you do see the investors.
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: What is happening in that space. Our first home buyers
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: constantly getting exumped by the investors coming in over.
• 34:18
  Speaker 15: That absolutely, and I see this a lot. One of
• 34:20
  Speaker 15: the hardest things for me is an auction you're on
• 34:22
  Speaker 15: the floor is obviously I do love to see first
• 34:24
  Speaker 15: home buyers getting to the market. It's so crucial when
• 34:27
  Speaker 15: you're trying to bid for something, and they've often been
• 34:30
  Speaker 15: to three or four auctions and been unsuccessful. The thing
• 34:33
  Speaker 15: that you notice the most on the auction floor is
• 34:35
  Speaker 15: that investors just have that little bit more disposable income,
• 34:37
  Speaker 15: and so the extra ten thousand dollars fifteen thousand dollars
• 34:40
  Speaker 15: on the auction floor really guarantees you a spot of purchasing.
• 34:44
  Speaker 15: And unfortunately, most saturdays we've got a lot of first
• 34:48
  Speaker 15: home buyers leaving feeling very, very very disappointed. But I
• 34:51
  Speaker 15: do tell them not to give up, just to keep
• 34:53
  Speaker 15: trying and pushing a little bit harder.
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: And are you still seeing a lot of people at
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: these auctions, So whilst they might not be selling, people
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: still coming in just to suss out the feel of
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: what is going on with the market always.
• 35:04
  Speaker 15: I think we talk about Sydney a lot. We're very
• 35:07
  Speaker 15: auction centric and nobody loves an auction more than a
• 35:11
  Speaker 15: Sydney buyer and people in the area they love to
• 35:14
  Speaker 15: come and see what's happening. So we do have a
• 35:16
  Speaker 15: lot of spectators, but definitely numbers have dropped and we're
• 35:20
  Speaker 15: not seeing as many registrations at auction. And before I
• 35:23
  Speaker 15: let you go, how much is it also impacting sellers
• 35:26
  Speaker 15: less properties going on the market as well, yes, and
• 35:29
  Speaker 15: so I feel like also they're hesitating and they want
• 35:32
  Speaker 15: to hold back and see and wait what shifts in
• 35:34
  Speaker 15: the market. As a real esset agent, this is my
• 35:37
  Speaker 15: twenty fifth year in real estate. Now as a real
• 35:38
  Speaker 15: esset agent, I wouldn't say hold back. I feel like
• 35:41
  Speaker 15: jumping into that market. Whatever you're in at the moment,
• 35:43
  Speaker 15: just go for it. But we are seeing sellers being
• 35:45
  Speaker 15: a little bit more cautious and wondering if it's the
• 35:48
  Speaker 15: right time. And I don't blame them, I mean, run's nervous.
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's tough times at the moment to see Jamie,
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: thank you so much.
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: Well, let's head to the UK Now and News coort
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: correspondent and Sky News contributor Sophie Ellsworth and Sophie, thanks
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: for joining me. I want to start with the Unite
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: the Kingdom rally on the weekend. What was the crowd
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: like given police ramped up their operations.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: Great to be do you look.
• 36:16
  Speaker 13: I was down there on Saturday and I can tell
• 36:19
  Speaker 13: you that many of the people on the ground I
• 36:21
  Speaker 13: spoke to voice to me they're concerned about the state
• 36:25
  Speaker 13: of Britain. They're concerned about illegal migration, They're concerned about
• 36:29
  Speaker 13: the cost of living, the lack of affordability here, how
• 36:33
  Speaker 13: to get houses. Many of them were just ordinary mums
• 36:37
  Speaker 13: and dads, ordinary punters who would come into central London
• 36:41
  Speaker 13: to voice their concerns about the state of Britain right now.
• 36:45
  Speaker 13: So it was very interesting to be there to hear
• 36:47
  Speaker 13: what they had to say on the ground.
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: Well, one of the people that you spoke exclusively with
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: was Australian Holly for Lance, and you asked her for
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: a message to Australia.
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.
• 37:00
  Speaker 16: They don't be embarrassed and don't be too scared to
• 37:02
  Speaker 16: stand up for your country. The place that you love
• 37:05
  Speaker 16: has given you everything, that's given your freedom, It's given
• 37:07
  Speaker 16: you the great life that you have respected, Respect the culture,
• 37:11
  Speaker 16: respect the flag, don't be embarrassed to fly the flag,
• 37:15
  Speaker 16: be patriotic, stand in that.
• 37:19
  Speaker 14: Well.
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: Sophie Holly also said that she's proud to be right
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: wing and that it needs to stop being thrown around
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: as an insult and said how.
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: Much of a fan she is of Pauline Hansen.
• 37:31
  Speaker 6: She did.
• 37:32
  Speaker 13: Indeed, she had a very strong message for Australians as
• 37:35
  Speaker 13: we heard there, be proud of Australia, be proud of
• 37:38
  Speaker 13: our country, stand up for Australia, waive the flag and
• 37:42
  Speaker 13: be patriotic and don't be ashamed to do so.
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: So that was her clear messaging.
• 37:47
  Speaker 13: And yes, she did say that she's very supportive of
• 37:51
  Speaker 13: Pauline Hanson. She said we should have listened to her
• 37:54
  Speaker 13: decades ago when many people mocked her. She said she
• 37:57
  Speaker 13: was one of them who wasn't a big fan of
• 38:00
  Speaker 13: Elne Hanson at the time and was told when she
• 38:02
  Speaker 13: was growing up that Pauline Hanson was the crazy lady
• 38:05
  Speaker 13: and this has proven not the case at all. We
• 38:08
  Speaker 13: know that Holly recently put that single out with Pauline Hanson,
• 38:12
  Speaker 13: a roommake of her song Kiss Kiss and anti woke
• 38:16
  Speaker 13: signal and she's very much a supporter of Pauline Hanson.
• 38:19
  Speaker 13: So this really shows how the tide has turned. And
• 38:23
  Speaker 13: she's hoping that Australians will listen to her messaging, which
• 38:26
  Speaker 13: I thought was a very simple messaging but very clear
• 38:30
  Speaker 13: to the Australian public, be proud of our country.
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it really was, and that song that she did
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: with Pauline Hanson was number one in the charts. Here,
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: I want to quickly talk about sir Kiss Starmer. He
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: has insisted in public that he is going to fight
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: to prove his data is wrong and hold on. But
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: I'm reading reports in The Times and other news outlets
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: that privately he is actually weighing up his future.
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: What are you hearing?
• 38:57
  Speaker 13: Well, the Kiss Starmer is on borrowing time, and it's
• 39:00
  Speaker 13: it's not a matter of if he'll go, it's when
• 39:02
  Speaker 13: he will go. When will he pack his suitcases and
• 39:05
  Speaker 13: leave Downing Street? And that looks like it's not far away.
• 39:09
  Speaker 13: The talk is that the by election here in the UK,
• 39:12
  Speaker 13: which is predicted to be on June eighteenth, so a
• 39:15
  Speaker 13: month today, will be held and he's working out his
• 39:19
  Speaker 13: exit strategy before that, because if Andy Burnham the Manchester
• 39:23
  Speaker 13: mayor wins that by election, which is a fifty to
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  Speaker 13: fifty chance, fifty to fifty percent chance secure Starma is
• 39:31
  Speaker 13: probably going to be tossed out as Prime Minister. So
• 39:34
  Speaker 13: it looks like we could have our seventh prime minister
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  Speaker 13: in ten years here in the UK.
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: And there's other reports just about that division within labor
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: over Brexit. Do voters want to return to the EU,
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: can you see that as an election winner or they
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  Speaker 4: just want to do Brexit better.
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  Speaker 13: Well it's interesting because on the front of the Daily
• 39:55
  Speaker 13: Mail today the headline is backlash over Brexit betrayal. This
• 40:00
  Speaker 13: has come on the back of Wes Streeting, the Health's
• 40:03
  Speaker 13: former Health secretary, and Andy Burnham showing their support to
• 40:08
  Speaker 13: leave Brexit. Now this has caused concern by Conservative leader
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  Speaker 13: Kemmy Badenoch, But the political commentators here on the ground
• 40:16
  Speaker 13: are saying voters don't want to talk about this. They
• 40:19
  Speaker 13: want to talk about the issues right now, including a
• 40:22
  Speaker 13: legal migration and cost of living and that is probably
• 40:25
  Speaker 13: going to be a real focus of this by election,
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  Speaker 13: which is critical. I heard commentators saying yesterday this is
• 40:32
  Speaker 13: one of the most critical by elections in the UK's history.
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  Speaker 13: Because it could determine who is the next Prime minister
• 40:39
  Speaker 13: of this country. And it is quite remarkable because the
• 40:42
  Speaker 13: British government won in a huge majority in twenty twenty
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  Speaker 13: four and they had a shocker, absolute chocker at the
• 40:50
  Speaker 13: local election.
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  Speaker 3: So it looks like there will be.
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  Speaker 13: A new prime minister here in a matter of months.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so fe's something that we will all be watching
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  Speaker 4: very closely. Thank you for your time tonight after the break,
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: new polling shows Labour's vote has slumped to twenty nine
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: percent following the budget, plus millennials are spearheading a renewed
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: nationwide shift towards buying more locally made products.
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: I'll have this and more with my panel next. Welcome back.
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: It's great to have your company. It is time to
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: bring in my panel now, Gematonnini from GT Communications and
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: Sky News contributor Caroline de Russo, Lady.
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  Speaker 3: My friend, thank you, welcome. Great to have you here
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: in the studio. Gemma.
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  Speaker 4: I want to start with you and just to look
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: at some of this polling that's come out today and
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: we see that Labor they're being punished in the polls,
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: which I think is just a result of Australians not
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: wanting to be treated like mugs.
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: There's a couple of things at play here.
• 41:49
  Speaker 8: Obviously there's a little bit to go, but the instant
• 41:51
  Speaker 8: reaction is really telling, and it's from what I can see,
• 41:55
  Speaker 8: it's instant.
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: It's across the board. It's from all sectors.
• 41:58
  Speaker 8: Of the community, the final community's startup community, young people
• 42:02
  Speaker 8: who are not as stupid as the government seems to
• 42:05
  Speaker 8: think they are. Young people who were saying, hang on
• 42:07
  Speaker 8: a second, New Turkey's got rich off these policies, and
• 42:10
  Speaker 8: you're telling me that taking the same opportunity away from
• 42:13
  Speaker 8: me and my friends is somehow for our benefit. Like
• 42:16
  Speaker 8: the absolute gas lighting shame of this government is beyond
• 42:20
  Speaker 8: what even I thought was possible.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: It is a.
• 42:22
  Speaker 8: Terrible document, It is a terrible piece of policy. There
• 42:26
  Speaker 8: is nothing that is objectively true about it. And as
• 42:29
  Speaker 8: we all know, Australians don't like liars, and we have
• 42:32
  Speaker 8: the liar in chief in our Prime Minister and his
• 42:35
  Speaker 8: little buddy, his deputy dog whose claim to fame is
• 42:39
  Speaker 8: a PhD in Paul Keating, who gave us, of course,
• 42:41
  Speaker 8: mister Chalmers, the recession we had to have, and you
• 42:44
  Speaker 8: seem so wedded to going down the same.
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: Road and Caroline, what do you make of the polling,
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: but more so from Reserve poll that showed Angus Taylor
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: is now a preferred prime minister. Do you see that
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: as a response to his budget and reply, or it
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: again the backlash towards labor.
• 43:03
  Speaker 11: I think it's probably a little bit of both. And
• 43:06
  Speaker 11: obviously since the leadership change, we've definitely seen those numbers
• 43:11
  Speaker 11: stabilize both obviously the leader's numbers, which are in a
• 43:15
  Speaker 11: much better position than they were back in February, but
• 43:18
  Speaker 11: even the party position has stabilized. And obviously I think
• 43:23
  Speaker 11: voters too, Okay, they like Angus, but I think they
• 43:26
  Speaker 11: also want to see how the party performs. You know,
• 43:28
  Speaker 11: we've patched up our marriage with the National Party and
• 43:32
  Speaker 11: I think people want to see how that all goes.
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: But so far, the signs are good.
• 43:38
  Speaker 11: So obviously, back in February, the priority was to stop
• 43:42
  Speaker 11: the hemorrhaging.
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: The hemorrhaging has stopped and we are now starting.
• 43:46
  Speaker 11: To see that upwull climb. But look, part of it
• 43:49
  Speaker 11: I think is, you know, a government who's unable to
• 43:53
  Speaker 11: sell its budget, and every time I watch Albow gets stroppy,
• 43:57
  Speaker 11: I really enjoy it.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: I thoroughly enjoy it.
• 44:00
  Speaker 11: Because no, no, no, because he doesn't think that we
• 44:03
  Speaker 11: have the right to question him.
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: He thinks he is beyond reproach.
• 44:08
  Speaker 11: And the thing is is when he gets asked very
• 44:11
  Speaker 11: sensible questions which ordinary people, not necessarily like you and
• 44:14
  Speaker 11: me because we're not really that ordinary, but people out
• 44:17
  Speaker 11: there are who just want to know the answer to
• 44:20
  Speaker 11: a very simple question, and he gets the drops on
• 44:23
  Speaker 11: that there is not going.
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: To help his figures or labors.
• 44:26
  Speaker 11: So I think, you know, I think we expect to
• 44:30
  Speaker 11: see a bit.
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: More of it. Yeah, I agree with you there.
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: Recently, every time Albow is at a press conference, he's
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: just got such disdain.
• 44:40
  Speaker 8: It's not like the first time we're seeing this side
• 44:42
  Speaker 8: of them. Do you remember when he was asked about
• 44:45
  Speaker 8: the failure of the Voice and the connection to Indigenous disadvantage,
• 44:50
  Speaker 8: and his response was, is not my loss. He is
• 44:53
  Speaker 8: the bloke that turns up for a beer after all
• 44:55
  Speaker 8: the work's been done. He's not a leader. And that
• 45:00
  Speaker 8: is not as political a statement as some would try
• 45:03
  Speaker 8: and pin it on me. That is an objective observation
• 45:06
  Speaker 8: from someone who understands the disdain of the startup community.
• 45:10
  Speaker 8: I mean that's the very fact that he was sooking
• 45:12
  Speaker 8: about it. Don't be mean to me with your memes, mate,
• 45:15
  Speaker 8: you were If you don't like it, change what is
• 45:17
  Speaker 8: a horrible policy? I thought it was fantastic. It was creative.
• 45:21
  Speaker 8: And as the as the person who started that sort
• 45:24
  Speaker 8: of you know, gorilla campaign, whether it's whether it was
• 45:28
  Speaker 8: deliberate or not, I don't know, but as that person
• 45:30
  Speaker 8: said today publicly, this government talked about consulting with our sector. Yeah,
• 45:35
  Speaker 8: nobody was consulted with.
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: Well now they're saying they're going to start consulting. So
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: it's buying the plane and quickly trying to break up.
• 45:44
  Speaker 8: If this budget was a boyfriend or girlfriend, you'd break
• 45:48
  Speaker 8: up with them.
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: You break up with them.
• 45:50
  Speaker 8: It's a toxic, gas lighting, dishonest relationship.
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: Well then you both will love this.
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: So a Department of Climate Change and Energy organizational. It
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: has showed that the government has created a new office
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: of the Presidency and this is under the International and
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: Climate Negotiations Division. I just want to quickly play a
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: grab from Dan te and the shadow Energy and the
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: Mission Reduction Minister.
• 46:15
  Speaker 12: This government under Chris Bowen's Chris Bowen stewardship is going
• 46:19
  Speaker 12: to spend over two hundred million dollars. When it comes
• 46:23
  Speaker 12: to the cop presidency, he set up an office called
• 46:27
  Speaker 12: the Office of the Presidency in his own department. And
• 46:30
  Speaker 12: we don't know how many staff there are in that office,
• 46:33
  Speaker 12: what it's costing. So there is money to be found everywhere.
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: But dad said.
• 46:41
  Speaker 8: The president mowet and they wonder why, and they wonder why.
• 46:45
  Speaker 8: Everyday Australians are looking at this mober Turkeys and going nah, sorry,
• 46:50
  Speaker 8: and two hundred million dollars when you're removing let's talk
• 46:53
  Speaker 8: about what this budget did to the plot of veterans,
• 46:55
  Speaker 8: for example, the cap on mental health support for veterans,
• 47:00
  Speaker 8: the removal of care for the people who put on
• 47:03
  Speaker 8: a uniform and defended this country. I think that is
• 47:06
  Speaker 8: absolutely shameful.
• 47:07
  Speaker 17: And I want exactly exactly and and if Chris Bowen,
• 47:14
  Speaker 17: the fact that the Prime Minister hasn't demanded that Chris
• 47:17
  Speaker 17: Bowen resign from his substantive role in the cabinet to
• 47:20
  Speaker 17: go be viva il presidente like I'm.
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: Thinking of VI. I'm thinking of Vivian in the young ones.
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: That's who I'm thinking of it.
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: And it's our part time energy minister and yet he
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: refers to himself now President bowl was the office of
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: the President, but still President Bowen.
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, no no.
• 47:36
  Speaker 8: It is so deeply wrong on so many, so many levels.
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: But Caroline, I also wanted to get your thoughts on
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: Anthony Albneasy today was saying he wants car manufacturing to
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: return to Australia, more so in the EV space, and
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: then you're sort of pushed on it, and he then said, oh, actually,
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: you know, maybe just some of the elements like batteries,
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: And I first of all thought this is clearly a
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: diversion tactic to sort of get different headlines away from.
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: His atrocious budget.
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: But it's just so unrealistic with first of all the
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: changes is made, why would anyone want to invest in Australia,
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: but also our high energy costs. There is nothing going
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: for an car manufacturing sector even to make batteries.
• 48:17
  Speaker 11: Ridiculous totally and high labor costs. And there's a comment
• 48:22
  Speaker 11: by a Chinese car manufacturer who's like, well, you've got
• 48:25
  Speaker 11: cost and tax and that makes it all unviable. So
• 48:30
  Speaker 11: unless our boy wants to do it by pouring in
• 48:32
  Speaker 11: a bit more tax payers money to subsidize this nation
• 48:35
  Speaker 11: building project or whatever our rubbish term he uses, it
• 48:39
  Speaker 11: is unfortunately unviable. And you know, they make a lot
• 48:44
  Speaker 11: of EV and EV parts in China, but you know
• 48:47
  Speaker 11: they also don't pay the best wages. So I'm not
• 48:49
  Speaker 11: really quite sure whether Anthony Alberanzi wants car manufacturing workers
• 48:54
  Speaker 11: to be paid less or somehow we're going to pay
• 48:56
  Speaker 11: some astronomical amount after you know, a probably seven year
• 49:01
  Speaker 11: approval process which gets binned at the last minute because
• 49:04
  Speaker 11: someone finds, you know, a blood yet totally magic will
• 49:09
  Speaker 11: be or some you know, triling will go anna or
• 49:12
  Speaker 11: something like that. I'm not really quite sure, but anything
• 49:14
  Speaker 11: can happen, and I can understand why people don't necessarily
• 49:17
  Speaker 11: want to invest here under the current regime.
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: Well, Caroline and Jemma, thank you vote so much for
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: your time tonight. That has been fun. Well that's all
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: we've got time for. Chris Kenny is back tomorrow. Here's
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: Peter Kredline