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Patriots Unfiltered 10/24: Jets Preview, Practice Report, Week 8 Picks · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 4: Yeah, feeling a little under the weather today.
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  Speaker 4: She sent her picks, So she's all said, she's got
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  Speaker 4: her picks in just how was last week? Just real,
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  Speaker 4: real high level.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, Okay, still not like you know, not like the
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  Speaker 5: thirteen and one that Evan and I put up the
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  Speaker 5: week before. But okay, everybody did, Okay.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, all right, we'll get to that lead with the spread. Okay, well,
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  Speaker 4: that's good. We'll have to get to that later. We'll
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  Speaker 4: have to hurry. But we're still talking about the state
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  Speaker 4: of this team, obviously, and we're going to be doing
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  Speaker 4: that until the end of the season. I would assume
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  Speaker 4: the coordinators talked today. They did, DeMarcus Covington and Alex
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  Speaker 4: van Pelt.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and I like some of the stuff I heard
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  Speaker 5: from Van Pelt. I don't know, how did you listen
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  Speaker 5: to both?
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  Speaker 4: I think that of everyone then that gets in front
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  Speaker 4: of the microphone right now from leadership of the Patriots,
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  Speaker 4: I think Van Pelt is probably the most straightforward of
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  Speaker 4: all of them. Right I.
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  Speaker 5: Was walking back with Evan and Tamara and Mike, and
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  Speaker 5: I just look like I just said, I think he
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  Speaker 5: does a better job of being the head coach than that,
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  Speaker 5: you know, which probably isn't all that surprising. Yeah, because
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  Speaker 5: of his level of experience as compared to Gerard Mayom,
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  Speaker 5: you know, he's probably a little bit more comfortable, you know,
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  Speaker 5: with what things are going on now. Obviously he's not
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  Speaker 5: thrilled with the state of the offense, the state of
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  Speaker 5: the team one and six, all that stuff. But you know,
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  Speaker 5: he's asked a couple of questions about the wide receiver,
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  Speaker 5: sort of popping off a little bit, and you know
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  Speaker 5: it's like, yeah, no, we you know, we've discussed this,
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  Speaker 5: and you know what I would say is we need
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  Speaker 5: to keep these things inward, do a better job of
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  Speaker 5: a better job of keeping it internal. And that's I
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  Speaker 5: think what you want to hear, not like, you know,
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  Speaker 5: we're expressing ourselves and whatnot. No, I get it, you're
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  Speaker 5: trying to be a little bit different in terms of,
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  Speaker 5: you know, what you're allowing, the latitude you're giving the players.
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  Speaker 5: But when you have problems in that regard, and some
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  Speaker 5: of those problems were from Mayo him self, I think
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  Speaker 5: you got to button it up a little bit. And
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  Speaker 5: I like the way that that Van pelt really some
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  Speaker 5: strong praise for Drake may which I'm sure fans are
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  Speaker 5: excited to hear.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so we talked about yesterday. You know, something's going
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  Speaker 4: right with him. I know it's only been two games.
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  Speaker 4: But you know who who should get the credit for that?
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  Speaker 4: Who's been working with him most closely? Is it Alice
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  Speaker 4: van Pelt, Is it Ben McAdoo, But whoever it is,
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  Speaker 4: maybe it's both of them. So far it looks well
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  Speaker 4: the positive.
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  Speaker 5: You see progress, yeah, you know, you see, you know,
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  Speaker 5: And he talked about one of the specific comments that
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  Speaker 5: Van Pelt made was that he felt that May did
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  Speaker 5: a really good job of seeing the field on Sunday,
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  Speaker 5: you know, in London. So yeah, I think that's a
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  Speaker 5: great sign for a young quarterback and his second start
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  Speaker 5: to be seeing the field well, according to a guy
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  Speaker 5: who's been in the league for over twenty years.
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  Speaker 4: And like I said yesterday, now I look forward to
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  Speaker 4: this game because I think this is another a bigger
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  Speaker 4: test for Drake May. I think it's a better offense
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  Speaker 4: certainly than they faced last week, better defense, I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 4: And they gave the Patriots quarterbacks problems the first time
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  Speaker 4: that they played them, and we'll see.
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  Speaker 5: Alex talked a little bit about that too, some of
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  Speaker 5: the things he felt like he put Perset in some
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  Speaker 5: bad spots in that game and didn't want to get
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  Speaker 5: into specifics of like game plan and scheme and whatnot,
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  Speaker 5: But I think he feels like he didn't put the
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  Speaker 5: offense in the best position to succeed that night.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so I'm from that perspective. I'm looking forward to
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  Speaker 4: this game.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I do think it's any time you
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  Speaker 5: have a chance to sort of evaluate and observe Drake May,
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  Speaker 5: I think that's worth that.
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  Speaker 4: Game, worth tuning in.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, and that's what we're looking for. We're
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  Speaker 5: looking for progress every week. So I would agree with you.
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  Speaker 5: I think it's it's kind of a good test to see.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, we'll see who ends up playing for the Jets.
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  Speaker 5: They had a lot of guys on their injury report
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  Speaker 5: yesterday too. Patriots had more guys listened to as d
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  Speaker 5: n P than we thought, you know, after practice. Some
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  Speaker 5: of the guys that that Evan did actually see didn't practice,
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  Speaker 5: a guy like he on White as an example, although
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  Speaker 5: we should point out that Stevenson was listed as a
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  Speaker 5: foot slash personal so maybe that was you know, maybe
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  Speaker 5: he had something going on to that yesterday and that's
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  Speaker 5: why he didn't practice. It wasn't really about the foot.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, So we'll we'll hear from Evan later on. He'll
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  Speaker 4: be coming back from practice.
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  Speaker 5: Michael be here too. I think you wanted to pop
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  Speaker 5: in the locker room for a little bit, and he'll come.
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  Speaker 4: By after that talk to some of the fellas following
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  Speaker 4: you lead you give him a yeah from morale? Sure, especially, uh,
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  Speaker 4: who's this guy?
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  Speaker 5: Who's what? Guy?
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  Speaker 4: Who's he's here now? Yeah? His morales? No updates on him? No, No,
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  Speaker 4: that's not looking good. I would say, I don't know,
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  Speaker 4: it's taken too long.
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  Speaker 5: I'm going to stay out of it. Yes, I don't
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  Speaker 5: want to get myself in any trouble. I don't I
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  Speaker 5: don't have any of the information. So yeah, anyway, show
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  Speaker 5: rare restraint for Paul.
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  Speaker 4: Sure, what was I gonna say? I forgot, Well, the
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  Speaker 4: soft thing everyone's been chiming in, and Christian Fourier now
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  Speaker 4: and Devin mccordy was chiming in, and Tom Brady and
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  Speaker 4: although tom Brady really changed the subject when when they
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  Speaker 4: asked him about it, he started talking about the Detroit
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  Speaker 4: Lions and and all that stuff and stopping the run,
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  Speaker 4: establishing the run. Coach Belichick said that when he would
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  Speaker 4: say things like that, he'd back it up with evidence
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  Speaker 4: in terms of, you know, stats, which I think sure,
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  Speaker 4: I kind of did the same thing. He said, it's
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  Speaker 4: about stopping the run, running the ball, and covering kick,
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  Speaker 4: you know, And I'm sure he learned that from Bill Belichick.
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  Speaker 5: And I just see I have. It's funny that you
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  Speaker 5: bring this up, like the whole soft thing. I think
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  Speaker 5: you're talking like that's talking like physically if you're a
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  Speaker 5: physical team or not. Like I think for years Kansas
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  Speaker 5: City was as finesse oriented as they're a little bit
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  Speaker 5: different now. Their defense is a different kind of defense
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  Speaker 5: right now. Last year and this year they have a
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  Speaker 5: really good stout physical defense. So that's not necessarily true now.
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  Speaker 5: But I think when Mahomes started winning Super Bowls, if
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  Speaker 5: you go by these parameters, they were a soft team.
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  Speaker 5: They weren't a great run team that could run the ball,
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  Speaker 5: stop the run, all that stuff, but they were a
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  Speaker 5: great team. I look at soft not as a physical thing,
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  Speaker 5: as a mental thing, like that team is soft. As
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  Speaker 5: soon as they face adversity, they wilt, you know. And
• 9:23
  Speaker 5: we've seen teams like that over the years. We saw
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  Speaker 5: like I think there were times where those old Colts.
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  Speaker 4: Teams remember saying the Chargers when they came in.
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  Speaker 5: Here, Oh, the Chargers, you know, like the you know,
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  Speaker 5: the the pitcher of LT on the bench was sort
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  Speaker 5: of you know, that kind of an illustration. But I
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  Speaker 5: think of those those Manning teams three to four when
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  Speaker 5: they came in here. You know, they would have a
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  Speaker 5: good game plan. They'd go right down the field and
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  Speaker 5: Manning threw as a pick in the end zone. Game's
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  Speaker 5: over right because they were soft, right, Like, I don't
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  Speaker 5: think they were soft because they couldn't stop the run
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  Speaker 5: and run the ball. They were soft mentally, yeah, you know,
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  Speaker 5: and now Bill would argue and he'd be right, well,
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  Speaker 5: they went hand in hand because those teams really weren't
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  Speaker 5: great stopping the run. They could run the ball with
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  Speaker 5: Edrin James, but they weren't great stopping the run. They
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  Speaker 5: weren't overly physical. They had Freenye and Mathis on the edges.
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  Speaker 5: They were more speed, smaller speed oriented defensive ends that
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  Speaker 5: you could run on because he would get them up
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  Speaker 5: the field and Bill would run right by him with
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  Speaker 5: Corey Dillon. So I think, to me at six to
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  Speaker 5: one half dozen the other. But I look at it
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  Speaker 5: more as Falcons as a mental thing, you know, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: that that that Falcons team was tough, but not when
• 10:32
  Speaker 5: all of a sudden, when the when the when the
• 10:35
  Speaker 5: tables turned and they couldn't shut it off. They didn't
• 10:38
  Speaker 5: have anything to respond with it.
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  Speaker 4: But you know, it's so funny because you go.
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  Speaker 5: Back as a physical team, you go back through.
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  Speaker 4: The dynasty years, and for the Patriots, they were a
• 10:49
  Speaker 4: tough mental team, not just because they could run the ball,
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  Speaker 4: stop and run. They really weren't that great a running team,
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  Speaker 4: but early on, early on with dyln't but later on
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  Speaker 4: they weren't that great, you know, afterwards, but they had
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  Speaker 4: guys whether it was Bruski or Rabel or Harrison, they
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  Speaker 4: would come up and make plays in the biggest moments.
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  Speaker 4: Like mentally, they were so they were so focused and
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  Speaker 4: so prepared from a situational football thing, like you know.
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  Speaker 5: I always felt that was the different the differentiation between
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  Speaker 5: them and other great teams at the time was they
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  Speaker 5: were so tough mentally.
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  Speaker 4: Mentally, like if and they're so aware of the situation.
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  Speaker 4: And if you're aware of the situation, you you you're
• 11:37
  Speaker 4: able to act more instinctively, you know. And I think
• 11:41
  Speaker 4: that's where the Patriots had the edge on so many
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  Speaker 4: teams during that time.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, it's a good point, and you know,
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  Speaker 5: I think we're talking semantics like you and I often
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  Speaker 5: argue about, you know, the word choices and whatnot. But
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  Speaker 5: I think the biggest problem right now is the team
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  Speaker 5: mentality itself. And I think you heard a little of
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  Speaker 5: that from vanpel today. You know, he was asked about
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  Speaker 5: specifically the work ethic, you know, of the wide receiver room,
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  Speaker 5: and he's like, yeah, no, we had a meeting about
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  Speaker 5: that this morning, and you know, just sort of everybody
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  Speaker 5: doing what they need to do to be ready to
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  Speaker 5: play in the game. Like, none of this is going
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  Speaker 5: to get fixed until they win. You know, if they
• 12:22
  Speaker 5: can win Sunday over the Jets, then at least you
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  Speaker 5: can take a step toward having some kind of positivity
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  Speaker 5: heading into the following week. But I do think that's
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  Speaker 5: part of it. Is that you can talk about being
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  Speaker 5: physical on the line of scrimmage and run the ball,
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  Speaker 5: stop to run. Those things are obviously important, but I
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  Speaker 5: think the far bigger issues are in the far more
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  Speaker 5: troubling issues are what we're hearing off the field. When
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  Speaker 5: Kendrick Bourne is talking about the wide receivers not being
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  Speaker 5: ready to play on Sunday, you know, and I don't
• 12:51
  Speaker 5: know who he's talking about. And you know, some people
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  Speaker 5: say it had nothing to do with London. Some people
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  Speaker 5: say he was talking specifically about someone else. It doesn't matter,
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  Speaker 5: doesn't matter. It's it's a it's a mindset that's permeating
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  Speaker 5: the team right now of you know, even even Alex
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  Speaker 5: van pel talk about how well Booty's playing right now,
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  Speaker 5: and he goes and this is the second time he's
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  Speaker 5: done this in like the last three or four weeks,
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  Speaker 5: talking about kay Shan Booty. He goes back to, you know,
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  Speaker 5: he's practiced a lot better, he's putting a lot more
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  Speaker 5: time into it. So there was a time that he
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  Speaker 5: wasn't doing what he needed to do right, you know,
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  Speaker 5: and that's that's a problem. I think that's far bigger
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  Speaker 5: than being able to stop the run.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, all right. Uh eight five five past five
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  Speaker 4: Is the email address one thing though, you know, I
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  Speaker 4: I have an hour commute in the morning, so I
• 13:44
  Speaker 4: get to listen to your.
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  Speaker 5: Show, listen to my shows even when I'm not on it.
• 13:46
  Speaker 4: It's just this this cry for Mayo to be fired
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  Speaker 4: after seven games I just think it's ludicrous. And I'm
• 13:54
  Speaker 4: not saying that things are looking good for him in
• 13:57
  Speaker 4: terms of, you know, how he's presenting himself as the
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  Speaker 4: head coach and certainly not the results.
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  Speaker 5: Now, who are you hearing this from? You got nice
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  Speaker 5: like you're gonna Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: This is my no, this is my UK Patriots Film
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  Speaker 4: Club shirt like that. They gave me that on Saturday night,
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  Speaker 4: So I'm proudly wearing that. But like, I just noticed it.
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  Speaker 4: But you know, we make fun of all these other teams.
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  Speaker 4: Oh look, but like patients are already firing their coach.
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  Speaker 5: But out of curiosity, where are you hearing at from? Specifically,
• 14:26
  Speaker 5: who's on your show? Jobs?
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  Speaker 4: Oh, they just had a I just saw a lower
• 14:31
  Speaker 4: third on NBC Sports Boston. Should the Patriots be moving
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  Speaker 4: on from? No?
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  Speaker 5: But people see that's different than advocating that he should
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  Speaker 5: be fired.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, well I'm hearing it on all your shows.
• 14:42
  Speaker 4: On all your shows. Bertrand was strong yesterday fired. Well, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: he pretty much.
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  Speaker 5: I look at it. That is kind of premature. I
• 14:53
  Speaker 5: mean seven, you got to give him some time to
• 14:55
  Speaker 5: sort of grow into the job.
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  Speaker 4: You got to give him time. He's gonna he's making mistakes.
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  Speaker 4: Is he making more mistakes than maybe your average first
• 15:03
  Speaker 4: time head coach. Maybe? Maybe, But I mean you got
• 15:09
  Speaker 4: to give him some time here, and you know, I'm
• 15:13
  Speaker 4: happy to get into the whole you know, Robert Kraft
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  Speaker 4: choosing him without you know, other interviews. We can get
• 15:20
  Speaker 4: into that as well.
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  Speaker 5: But but yeah, I mean I didn't like that at
• 15:23
  Speaker 5: the time we talked about.
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  Speaker 4: That terms of you know, him as the head coach.
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  Speaker 4: I just think, man, what are we doing. We're acting
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  Speaker 4: like the team's fan base that we make fun of.
• 15:34
  Speaker 4: Over the last twenty years, we haven't had to, we
• 15:37
  Speaker 4: haven't had to do that, but as soon as we've
• 15:39
  Speaker 4: had to, we're collapsing where we're like, we're losing it.
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  Speaker 5: It's a lot of things we used to make fun
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  Speaker 5: of other teams for Yeah, we don't get to do
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  Speaker 5: that about anymore.
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  Speaker 4: But we're right, well, we have nothing to make fun
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  Speaker 4: of anybody for now. We are those teams exact. But
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: we don't have to act like those teams. We don't
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: have to, you know, go berserk after seven games. Let's
• 16:00
  Speaker 4: just you know, no one thought that this season was
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: going to be a winning season, contending for a playoff.
• 16:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but no one thought you were going to get
• 16:09
  Speaker 5: this stuff off the field either. No. I mean I
• 16:12
  Speaker 5: shouldn't say no one. I didn't think no, no, no.
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  Speaker 4: But it's happening, and I think we just need to
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: just take a breath, Just take a breath.
• 16:21
  Speaker 5: Maybe if we didn't have so many local guys, you know,
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  Speaker 5: predicting like eight nine win seasons, maybe people would have
• 16:27
  Speaker 5: been a little bit more prepared.
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  Speaker 4: Oh my god. People have to make decisions for themselves.
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  Speaker 4: Don't be influenced by writers who aren't covering it for
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  Speaker 4: the sake of news.
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  Speaker 5: No, I mean, I want a great phrase, writers who
• 16:41
  Speaker 5: aren't covering it for the sake of news.
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  Speaker 4: Isn't that true?
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  Speaker 5: I do? I think some people. I think in Felger
• 16:49
  Speaker 5: had a great on my show yesterday. Felger had a
• 16:51
  Speaker 5: great rant about the Bruins. Had nothing to do with
• 16:54
  Speaker 5: the Patriots at alos about the Bruins, just sort of
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: the lament of the way all the teams are covered.
• 16:59
  Speaker 5: I think there are too many guys who are just
• 17:02
  Speaker 5: thrilled to be covering a pro team. And as he
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: put it, it's like instead of asking the head coach
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: about an altercation that he had on the bench, with
• 17:11
  Speaker 5: the captain, which happened last Saturday. I actually saw that.
• 17:14
  Speaker 5: I saw that live. No one's asked about it since,
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: and here we are the following Thursday. You know, he goes,
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: you know, now all these guys want to do is
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: get on the internet and put it up, want to
• 17:25
  Speaker 5: blog and give me a you know, give me a
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: video clip of the you know, the backchecking system you know, uh,
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: you know with like, I don't care about that, and
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: and I think a lot of people don't really care
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: about that stuff. You know, is there something wrong with
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: your team? And if there is? Why? That's why I
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: thought Van Pelt was really refreshing to listen to today
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: because he sort of acknowledged, Yeah, we got to button
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: some things down. I'm paraphrasing, you know, keep it inward,
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: I think was the phrase he did us keep it internal.
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: And I think that's part of what's going wrong, you know,
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: on the field, is what started the field.
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: I agree, loose lips think ships, Yeah.
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: So I think. But it's not even loose lips.
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: It's I'm not talking about leaking, but I'm just saying.
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: It's too much. They're not they're not doing what they're
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: supposed to be doing and it shows.
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: All right, let's get to the TPX outline, because we do.
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: Have picks and it's just us too. We don't we
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: have to hurry.
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: I don't like this star with just two people, Paul,
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: I won't take that person no, no, no, no, no
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: offense to you personally. But I like it when we're
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: all together, you know. So we're gonna have to talk
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: to maybe the football administration about changing their schedule a
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: little bit.
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: You're gonna do that, are yah?
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: Okay, No, I think this is a great schedule. To
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: be honest with you, well, it's great overall, it is.
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: I mean, I mean, to be honest, I feel like
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: I'm a little bit more connected than I have been
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: in the recent past because I'm I'm going to all
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: the press conferences now. Yeah, a lot of times the
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: press conference is in the old it used to be
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: during the can't go.
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: In the locker room. No, I know, he can't establish
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: those relationships and important to bring the team.
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: But they also at the same time don't really want
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: us in the locker room anymore. So it's kind of
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: it kind of works hand in hand.
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: Let's start with a goo where I'm not wanted.
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: Let's go with Josh and Newport, Rhode Island. What's up, Josh? Hello, Yes, Josh. Hey.
• 19:27
  Speaker 7: So the thing about the Patriots salary cap, you can't
• 19:31
  Speaker 7: expect the team to be competitive with one hundred and
• 19:33
  Speaker 7: twenty million in free cap space, right. I don't think
• 19:37
  Speaker 7: the expectation is out there. I do think wide receivers,
• 19:41
  Speaker 7: you know, especially kJ.
• 19:44
  Speaker 8: Osborne, was not expecting to see that this week out
• 19:47
  Speaker 8: of him with the trade talks and everything. But if
• 19:53
  Speaker 8: we're looking towards the draft, do you guys like any
• 19:57
  Speaker 8: of these receivers. I mean, I'm not very high on
• 20:00
  Speaker 8: these receivers. You see Travis Hunter up there at the
• 20:03
  Speaker 8: top of the list, and you know I'm not I'm
• 20:05
  Speaker 8: not completely sold. You know, he's had some character issues
• 20:09
  Speaker 8: at Colorado. I don't see him being a number one
• 20:13
  Speaker 8: wide receiver unless he's doing that full time. I mean
• 20:16
  Speaker 8: right now that you guys, Okay, So.
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: I'm not interested in taking a wide receiver in the
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: top five, but Travis Hunter isn't worthy of a Like
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: Travis Hunter might be the best player in the draft period,
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: You're not sold on him as a receiver, not.
• 20:33
  Speaker 7: As a receiver no, I've seen him take better snaps
• 20:36
  Speaker 7: that quarterback.
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: I think he could do that too. I mean, Travis Hunter,
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: to me, is a very good shot of being the
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: number one overall pick.
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: I heard he's a generational player.
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: A lot of people have referred to am as that,
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: and I'm not gonna I'm not going to pretend to
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: be an expert. I'm not. That's the way he's talked about.
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: I have to be honest. I'm not thinking about the
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: draft right now. I'm focused on this season and in terms.
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: Of cap space. Yeah, so you know, I just take
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: umbrage of the hun You can't. That's that's wrong, right.
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: But you can't be competitive if you have a lot
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: of cap space. The Niners have the most cap space
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: in football. The Patriots are third, Lions are fourth, Commanders
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: are fifth. So I think I think you can have nothing.
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: You can I think you can do both.
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: That's got nothing to do with it.
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: So there you got, you got your wish. Yeah, he
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: had no use for me, Mike, He said, I don't
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: like this. No, I did with just two of us.
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: So I'm just gonna drink. I'm just gonna work on
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: my two leaders. That Matt left what's going on.
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: Who's back from the locker room? What was the mood
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: where the players friendly to that none of them looked
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: like devick Henry.
• 21:42
  Speaker 9: Hey, Mike, what was it like in the locker room? Hay, Mike,
• 21:48
  Speaker 9: what was it like in the locker room?
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: What's up, Mike?
• 21:53
  Speaker 6: It's nice?
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: Hi.
• 21:54
  Speaker 6: Everybody really has such a nice here, pleasant, sweet, beautiful
• 21:58
  Speaker 6: dulcet just a good little diddy. Yeah, thank you. Uh well,
• 22:03
  Speaker 6: uh yeah, we heard from Jonathan Jones and Kendrick Born
• 22:06
  Speaker 6: in locker room and a lot of talk about Van
• 22:08
  Speaker 6: Pelt's meeting, a little come to Jesus meeting, keep it inside,
• 22:13
  Speaker 6: keep it Yeah, I really like sick, been sick.
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: I'm over my These guys don't wash their hands.
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: How it's sick because she's sick.
• 22:23
  Speaker 6: Okay's sick, Matt's sick, everybody's And no, I think I
• 22:26
  Speaker 6: got it first, but uh but no I I Jesus No.
• 22:31
  Speaker 6: I thought it was interesting Kendrick Bourne, you know, and
• 22:32
  Speaker 6: really that's the room that seems like everybody's focused on
• 22:35
  Speaker 6: and uh trying to focus on themselves. And I mean
• 22:39
  Speaker 6: really the gist of it to me was him kind
• 22:42
  Speaker 6: of saying, these are young guys who don't really know
• 22:44
  Speaker 6: how to be professionals yet. I mean that was kind
• 22:46
  Speaker 6: of the overarching vibe of Kendrick Bourne and and him.
• 22:51
  Speaker 6: He also brought up like nil, he just said, it's
• 22:53
  Speaker 6: different now when guys come in. When I came in,
• 22:55
  Speaker 6: I didn't have any money, and I had all these
• 22:57
  Speaker 6: goals that I wanted to achieve, and you know, that's
• 22:59
  Speaker 6: how I set about my my career. But he's like,
• 23:01
  Speaker 6: things are different now. Kids are coming in. They already
• 23:03
  Speaker 6: got money, They got to understand how to be you know,
• 23:06
  Speaker 6: professional football players.
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: So did he say anything about him, you know, stepping
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: up and trying to teach these guys how to be professional.
• 23:13
  Speaker 6: Yeah, no, absolutely, that's what you know he said he
• 23:15
  Speaker 6: was doing. He also clarified that his comments in England
• 23:18
  Speaker 6: were not referring to Pop. He's like, everyone took what
• 23:20
  Speaker 6: I said is calling out Pop for that. He's like,
• 23:23
  Speaker 6: it was not that, you know, he said, it was
• 23:26
  Speaker 6: more general. You know said that was you understood Pop
• 23:29
  Speaker 6: had food poisoning, that was legit. So I don't know.
• 23:32
  Speaker 6: I mean, it's just like when you realize you've lost
• 23:34
  Speaker 6: six games in a row each week, you've got like
• 23:36
  Speaker 6: a new tactic to try to reverse the bleeding and
• 23:39
  Speaker 6: stem the tide, and it doesn't always work, so we'll
• 23:42
  Speaker 6: see if this week's kind of stuff works. But it
• 23:44
  Speaker 6: certainly seems like everybody was kind of impacted by the meeting,
• 23:47
  Speaker 6: and we heard from Jonathan Jones first, who you know,
• 23:49
  Speaker 6: just gave a little bit of a perspective from a
• 23:51
  Speaker 6: guy who was here, you know, when when the culture
• 23:53
  Speaker 6: was established, and you know, you just you can't help
• 23:56
  Speaker 6: but feel like, whether it's injuries, whether it's the coaching turnover,
• 24:00
  Speaker 6: this is a new team that needs to find a
• 24:02
  Speaker 6: new identity and trying to go back to something that
• 24:06
  Speaker 6: was established previously here and in years gone by, that
• 24:09
  Speaker 6: it's it's not going to really ring true. These guys
• 24:11
  Speaker 6: have to figure it out themselves, and it might be
• 24:13
  Speaker 6: a little bit of a process that was well kind
• 24:15
  Speaker 6: of my take.
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: I agree with that they need to figure it out
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: from thoselves, but sometimes it helps to have somebody guiding you,
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: you know, so that you know you can help to
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: figure it out. And like we talked about yesterday, I
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: just wonder who those people are.
• 24:32
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I think that's part of the the
• 24:34
  Speaker 6: chemistry right now, is that these guys have to kind
• 24:36
  Speaker 6: of emerge. And I mean, I know we talked a
• 24:39
  Speaker 6: little bit about Drake, like he's maybe not ready, but
• 24:42
  Speaker 6: like this is slowly going to be his team and
• 24:44
  Speaker 6: he's going to start to not be happy with you know, guys,
• 24:47
  Speaker 6: and everybody's talking about the receivers, you know, saying I
• 24:50
  Speaker 6: want the ball and YadA, YadA, YadA. But I don't
• 24:53
  Speaker 6: know that's what that's what has to happen, and you've
• 24:55
  Speaker 6: got guys out and there's there's a vacuum right now.
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: I do think that that's a huge undersold part of this.
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: We talked about the three of us talked about this
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: yesterday a little bit, like we can be critical of
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: everything that's going on, critical of Girodmeo and how he's
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: handled certain things, and some of it's accurate, but it
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: is remarkable how all of the veterans that he wanted
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: to be his circle the wagon guys, almost all of
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: them have either been hurt or taken out of the
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: equation in some way. Yeah, and that's hard. Jonathan Jones
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: is one of the few guys that you know, even
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: off the top of my head, that was around for
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: any of you know, like Andrews is not there, you know,
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: like all of those.
• 25:36
  Speaker 6: Guys, Tim and Wise and I guess cardonas I mean
• 25:39
  Speaker 6: those are yeah, and even the only.
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: You know why, you know, why is this part of that?
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: You know, Cardona is a long snow, you know. I
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: mean it's you know, yeah, it's even even a guy
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: like Jacoby Brissett, who I think is a you know,
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: I think he's the consummate professional, but now is the
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: backup quarterback. So it's hard to lead at that spot.
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: So now you have a twenty two year old who's
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: who's sort of trying to deal with this. I mean,
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: let's call it what it is. You know, kind of
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: a young, immature group of receivers. You know, that's hard.
• 26:08
  Speaker 6: It is exact word that was brought up with.
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: I mean you would think that, you know, you're in
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: the movies. Drake May would walk in to the wide
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: receiver meeting while they're bitching and moaning about not getting
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: the ball, and he would rip them a new one
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: and say, you'll get the ball, and I give it
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: to you when you get open, when when the play
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: is for you or whatever like like he would, you know,
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: and then they'd be like I liked, you know, they
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: get stars in their eyes, like, okay, you know our leader.
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: I like Pelt's answer to that though today, like, you know,
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: is it hard for him someone? I think Phil Perry
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: might have asked him if it's hard for a young
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: guy or maybe he was g r D and he
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: and Van Pelt said, you know, he's had people, you know,
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: bitching about not getting the ball before. This isn't the
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: first time quarterbacks deal with that. In other words, he's
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: got it. Yeah. I think everything about May is like
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: up here, like everything that we've seen, everything we've heard,
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: and then watching him actually you know the people talk
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: about him and watching him talk, I think everything has
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: got to be positive from him the point of view.
• 27:18
  Speaker 6: Did you have that problem everard? High school guys, I'll
• 27:22
  Speaker 6: hand the ball off to you when I want.
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: Can I just tell you when I'll seriousness like this
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: is like, please don't take this. This is nineteen eighty five, Okay,
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: it's it's it's not in a very minor league high
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: school level. Okay, yes, yeah, the answer to that is yes.
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: The big thing with Paul, the big thing with Paul
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: and Everett is they complained about the spin because he
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: was the left throw it with the right hand of
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: the ball.
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: But I'm just telling you in high school, it's more
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: like the play was. And I didn't play in one
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: of these sophisticated spreads. When we played in high school.
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: You know, we ran the play and you ran the play.
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: So when even the past plays, they were basically designed
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: to go to one person. Like we didn't have a
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: lot of high school quarterbacks in my day that were
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: like reading the defense and say, well, the safety was
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: down in the box, so I knew I had I
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: knew I had one on one on the outside. In
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: every play, Jimmy Gallanti would come back and say, Paul,
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: I was open. So one day we were playing this
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: was like this was we were sophomorees. We were playing
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: in a JV game in winthrom in like three plays
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: in a row, like three pass play every time I'm open,
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: I'm open. So he was the backside end and the
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: ball was always supposed to go to the to the
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: front side, and I just turned it looked he was
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: wide open. I throw him the ball. We made about
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: fifteen yards and the coach goes, why'd you throw it
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: in him? He goes, he comes back to the huddle.
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: Every play he tells me he was wide open, he
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: was open. I throw it, But like I wouldn't have
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: done that, Like I wouldn't have read the field and
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: done that, only because I was so sick of listening
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: to him bitch every play. I just said, all right,
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: I'll look at him.
• 29:09
  Speaker 6: And then he said, get me again, you got me again,
• 29:11
  Speaker 6: got me open.
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: Then he dropped one later and he had the radio.
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: By the way, greatest guy ever you should have underlaying.
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: That's why I prefaced it.
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: What I don't want.
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: I don't want to hear the lock shots. I'm not
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: pretending it was real.
• 29:25
  Speaker 6: All the same receivers.
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: So like a JV game in nineteen eighty three, you
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: think you could go into the wide receiver room and
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: tell that story, And think I could tell.
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: Him, yeah, you know yeah, shut the's right.
• 29:38
  Speaker 6: Get in there and off your phones.
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: And then Paul and as Teddy Brusk would say to
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: Chad O Cho Senko, get off your phone and get
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: in your playbooks.
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: Paul right, Paul finishes his five minute like you know,
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: fire and Brimstone speech walks out and they're like, who
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: was that?
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: That's the guy that works on the website. He just notes,
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: all right, it does a decent notes call him. He's
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: always talking about time management for some reason.
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: Next up is Austin and Illinois. What's up, Boston?
• 30:08
  Speaker 10: Hey, guys near me? Yes, Hey, I just want to know.
• 30:14
  Speaker 10: I know, Paul, you do this a lot.
• 30:16
  Speaker 11: What are we gonna stop discounting wins against backup quarterbacks?
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: Huh, Paul doesn't disc He does discount wins again backup quarterbacks.
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: I don't just count.
• 30:27
  Speaker 10: I mean it's a league full of backup I mean
• 30:31
  Speaker 10: play of every other week.
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: But Austin, it's not that it's it's no I understand
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: what he's saying. It's not that the win isn't important
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: or isn't as good. It's if you're analyzing certain parts
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: of your team, such as your defense, and you're playing
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: against a guy who really can't complete passes. You have
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: to take that into consideration. You have to take that,
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: you have to take the context of the game into consideration.
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: It's not like you're not excited about the win. Absolutely,
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: I take a win against I don't know any backup
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: quarterback right now, Austin.
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: I'm just saying, if you're.
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: The problem is last year you weren't even winning those games.
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: Exactly what I'm trying to say is people seem to
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: have gotten caught off guard by by how far they've fallen,
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: and I don't think they been paying attention, right, And
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: the wins that they've gotten over the last two years
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: have so often come in those kinds of situations. The
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: few wins that they've gotten, Like, if you go thirteen
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: and four, well, that's I mean, that's a great record.
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: So yeah, maybe you won three or four against backup quarterback.
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: You went thirteen and four. They went four and thirteen, right,
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: and played all those games against backup quarterback.
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: And the subject of backup quarterbacks comes in the context
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: of trying to evaluate how good was the defense in
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: twenty twenty three, and so you have to take into
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: consideration the opponent, you know, were their injuries on their offense.
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: That's only fair if you're going to get an accurate
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: idea of how good your defense was.
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: Like, I'm not stunned that the defense has played the
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: way it's played. I'm a little surprised that it's been
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: so bad against the run. Yeah, but in terms of points,
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: I am not like you guys know, like I think
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: when they've played good offense is over the last two
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: three years. This is what's happened points wise, not rushing
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: yards wise. I don't want to upset Bill Belichick will
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: get very mad at me.
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because he'll feel really bad.
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: Right, he feels bad. I know he's got a lot
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: of yards per rush. It's a lot of empathy. Well,
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: it depends. It's yards per rush last year, this year,
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: it's yards per game. Because you have to pick the
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: stat that makes him look the best. You know, like
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: last year they finished first and average yards allowed per
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: carry in twenty twenty three, so that's what you go by.
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: This year, the Patriots currently ranked seventeenth in that category.
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: So we're not going to talk about that. We're going
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: to go with tied for twenty first in yards per
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: game extra four spots correct in the twenty somewhere.
• 33:09
  Speaker 6: Yeah, bottom third of the least.
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: So it's not it's not a matter of diminishing the wins.
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: It's a matter of objectively looking at the different facets
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: of the team and saying, you know, how.
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: How the wins were compiled?
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, or losses. You know, in this case, you know
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: you were giving up ten points and losing the game so.
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: Well, but you can also it can also work the
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: other way. You can also lose the game because the
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: other team was fully healthy and you were decimated right
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: in a game that quote unquote you might have won
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: had you had some of your personnel. Yeah, you know,
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: that's happened.
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: Certain super bowls come to mind.
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: Let's go to that's a great example, the Gronk super Bowl.
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: I assume you're talking about it.
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: I'm talking about Malcolm Butler.
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: Oh, that wasn't an injury.
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: No, I know, but he wasn't a vailable But I think.
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: That you can make a strong argument. It's not like
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: black and white, but you can make a strong argument
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: the second Giants loss if Gronk is healthy.
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: Is healthy and not just you can I mean, yeah,
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: he wasn't even a decoy because they It's the same thing.
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: I know it is.
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: Of course, it is context, and we.
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: Talk about that all the time when evaluating football. There's
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: so much going on throughout the game and throughout each
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: play that you know, just to go on the game
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: log and look at the stats is not fair. It
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: doesn't tell you the whole picture. You know, garbage time
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: stats and and all that stuff come into play, whether
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: you had a lead, whether you didn't have a lead. Yeah,
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: football is a complicated game. When it got hert evaluation.
• 34:43
  Speaker 6: Who got hurt in the middle of the game and
• 34:44
  Speaker 6: was swapped out?
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: You know, complicated man.
• 34:47
  Speaker 6: So we watched the game.
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: Carlton's in Dallas. What's up, Carlton?
• 34:52
  Speaker 10: Good afternoon, guys, good afternoon.
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: Hey, Hey, real quick.
• 34:58
  Speaker 10: Awesome job confuses that's with Josh Show. Michael Hasey got
• 35:03
  Speaker 10: five targets last week. He caught every all five averaged
• 35:07
  Speaker 10: almost ten yards around nine and a quarter nine point
• 35:10
  Speaker 10: five yards per catch. We the coaching staff a VP
• 35:15
  Speaker 10: and Andrew Riard said in Trandy Camp we were going
• 35:19
  Speaker 10: to be the number one screen team in the league.
• 35:22
  Speaker 10: But yet that play has been not used effectively. But
• 35:26
  Speaker 10: it seemed to go pretty well last week. I think
• 35:29
  Speaker 10: I wouldn't know what y'all think. Should Hasty be getting
• 35:32
  Speaker 10: more touches?
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: Okay more than five?
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: It's a good question.
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: I mean, that's I would. I would agree with Carlton's assessment.
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: I think last week was the first week that they
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: had some success in the screen game.
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: But five grows to a running back is a lot.
• 35:46
  Speaker 6: Yeah, No, I like it. I mean, I think, you know,
• 35:48
  Speaker 6: Antony Gibson has a productive the last couple of weeks,
• 35:51
  Speaker 6: and Romander is dealing with whatever Romander's even dealing with.
• 35:54
  Speaker 6: So it seems like they've.
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and I agree with I mean, I don't know
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: if he's talking specifically, should Hasty get more touches or
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: should they run those plays more? But they've struggled with
• 36:04
  Speaker 5: those I agree with his assessment. They they've they've run screens,
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: and I do remember when when Van Pelt said that
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: what we want to be the best screen team in
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: the league. They haven't been able to get it going
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: last week, you know, and they weren't necessarily all traditional screens.
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: Like the touchdown probably wasn't a screen per se.
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: No, he was out in the flood.
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: It's a hot run. It's a hot run, hot right
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: route ut And you know that's to me a screen,
• 36:30
  Speaker 5: Like we know that he's going to leak out right
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: over here, you know, scat protection.
• 36:35
  Speaker 6: Yeah, is that what you call?
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: You know what that means?
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: No, that's when the back is going out scat scat ye.
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: So you know that they're sending more than you have
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: to get it. Basically, you know who taught me that
• 36:46
  Speaker 5: who's that Bruce Armstrong scam and scat protect.
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: Scam and scat protections all right.
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: I couldn't tell you over there, no, because I don't.
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: I'm sure that there's like a really really specific well
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: only in this detail that I don't remember because that's
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: me just enough to get it wrong.
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: Well, scat protection is only when you do strong side.
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: Anthony's in Seattle?
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: What's up Anthony Football Almanac over here?
• 37:17
  Speaker 12: Hey?
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: Hey?
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: Where you've been? Man?
• 37:21
  Speaker 12: Yeah, I've emailed a couple of times.
• 37:24
  Speaker 13: They didn't get read, but you listen to every every episode.
• 37:27
  Speaker 13: Love you guys, and uh and Evan. I don't know
• 37:30
  Speaker 13: if Evan's there, but I've been listening to Catch twenty
• 37:32
  Speaker 13: two also, and that's the first time that there's been
• 37:35
  Speaker 13: a podcast other than TU that I found worth listening
• 37:38
  Speaker 13: to this. I'm sorry, yeah listen, Uh looking man.
• 37:44
  Speaker 12: One thing I love about you is you keep us rounded.
• 37:46
  Speaker 12: You don't get too high, it don't get too low.
• 37:48
  Speaker 12: But I want to push back a little bit. And
• 37:50
  Speaker 12: you don't mean to do this. But every time someone
• 37:53
  Speaker 12: kind of says, oh we got a quarterback, you're you know,
• 37:55
  Speaker 12: I hope, so we're pumped the breaks there. Listen, Patrious Nation,
• 37:59
  Speaker 12: I do. We don't need to pump the break. We
• 38:01
  Speaker 12: got a quarterback. It's not just two games. Yes, it
• 38:04
  Speaker 12: is the new rule of thumb in this league. Listen,
• 38:07
  Speaker 12: is you know what when you see it. I don't
• 38:09
  Speaker 12: know if they've gotten better at, you know, in college
• 38:11
  Speaker 12: at developing or the league's gotten better at not reaching
• 38:13
  Speaker 12: and when they get them in the building they develop.
• 38:16
  Speaker 12: But it's been a constant upward arrow from college to
• 38:19
  Speaker 12: training camp to preseason. In our regular season, he's dropping
• 38:23
  Speaker 12: the same bombs in the buckets to boot that that
• 38:25
  Speaker 12: that he dropped to jay Von Baker that he dropped.
• 38:28
  Speaker 12: He's got the same off platform, offscript plays to the
• 38:31
  Speaker 12: Osborne that didn't count, but we saw it that he's
• 38:33
  Speaker 12: doing now the Hunter Henry and back to back game
• 38:35
  Speaker 12: like this is the player and it's without training will
• 38:38
  Speaker 12: So and it's not just Drake may it's it's the
• 38:40
  Speaker 12: top three Daniels, Williams uh like like the overal of
• 38:45
  Speaker 12: thumb is probably one of those three are going to
• 38:46
  Speaker 12: work out. I think the new rule of thumb, and
• 38:48
  Speaker 12: it's not just quarterback, is with these young players. If
• 38:51
  Speaker 12: they look right away like they can play. Most likely
• 38:54
  Speaker 12: they can play. There's always the exceptions. I don't want
• 38:56
  Speaker 12: to go on a super long NT. I love you, guys.
• 38:58
  Speaker 12: I've been listening to every episode, so I've been with
• 39:00
  Speaker 12: you in spirit. I'm gonna try to get back on
• 39:02
  Speaker 12: the calling in a little bit more often.
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: All right, thanks, thanks Anthony, good job good that was Chester, Like, yeah,
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: I lift up. You know, Parcels said, if they don't
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: bite when they're puppies, they won't bite when their dogs.
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: I could give you an I could give you a
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: laundry list of guys who bid as puppies, and no,
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: I know went the other way, starting with your guy.
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: Let Baker bake why he's doing well. He was great
• 39:25
  Speaker 5: as a rookie and then five years later he was
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: out of the league and just kind of resurrecting his
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: career now throwing interceptions.
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: I blamed the team, by the way I blame the teams.
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: What what what? What is our team? That's my point?
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: Okay, but but we're just talking about Drake.
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: I know. I did get back to our original conversation.
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: We used to make fun of these teams. I know, yes,
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: I know now we're one of them. I know, But
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: like do we have the support system in place?
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: Listen, I I when.
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: These guys all come into the league with the requisite talents.
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: When when Mack was here first year, he didn't look
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: like Drake. I will say that Mac was not the
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: top but five pick at that time. I said, I'm
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: very pleased that my words, I'm very pleased that Mac
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: Jones is our quarterback. And you know, how did that
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: work out for me?
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: So no, what I what I would just say is like,
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: and I'm going to be very fair, I'm going to
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: take Drake May out of this. I'm not convinced that
• 40:19
  Speaker 5: Caleb Williams and Jaden Daniels either, Like they've played seven games, Like,
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: I don't just write a career like if if they
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: had bad games, I wouldn't say they stink. You know,
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: c J. Stroud now is going on a year and
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: a half of a high level of play. I'm ready
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: to say c J. Stroud is the real deal, Like
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: he's playing at an exceptionally high level for an extended
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: period of time. But I don't know. If you're Caleb Williams,
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: he's been pretty seems like he's on the upward tra directory.
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: I mean, I'm a believer in the talent, and I
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: really like Caleb Williams. But are you for sure are
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: you convinced that Caleb Williams is a hit?
• 41:00
  Speaker 6: No, not yet, but I mean I would say, just
• 41:02
  Speaker 6: to push back to I mean, it hasn't been a
• 41:04
  Speaker 6: straight trajectory for Drake. I mean, I think there was
• 41:05
  Speaker 6: a period in the summer during training camp where you're
• 41:07
  Speaker 6: kind of like, it feels like he's stagnated a little bit,
• 41:10
  Speaker 6: you know, in that little period, and then you know,
• 41:12
  Speaker 6: the last couple of weeks have been have been really good.
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: But you know, I optimist, but they're still not scoring
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: and moving the ball, like they haven't even gotten three
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: hundred yards of offense. But they will, They absolutely will.
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: I'm a believe even were in the talent. That's why
• 41:26
  Speaker 5: I say, I hope so, I think so, but I
• 41:30
  Speaker 5: want to see it first.
• 41:31
  Speaker 6: Right, Well, well, you don't want to annoy them before
• 41:33
  Speaker 6: exactly you do it after two games and you're in
• 41:34
  Speaker 6: the crowd. Crowd, it takes I mean, it's it takes
• 41:38
  Speaker 6: some of the fun out of it. You know that
• 41:40
  Speaker 6: those games when he does have games that make you
• 41:42
  Speaker 6: really But I said yesterday, Paul, I think you were
• 41:44
  Speaker 6: you were out shooting. One of your shows was I'm
• 41:46
  Speaker 6: kind of ready for the bad May game, as it's
• 41:48
  Speaker 6: gonna be a bad May game, right, Like that's it's
• 41:50
  Speaker 6: just it's gonna happen. I feel like it's gonna have one.
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: Can we not have that couple of others? If we
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: get a bad May game? Like, what else do we have?
• 41:58
  Speaker 7: No?
• 41:59
  Speaker 6: I know it would be pretty bleak.
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: If Brad's in Ohio? What's up? Brad?
• 42:05
  Speaker 14: A good morning guy. So anyway, just have a couple
• 42:12
  Speaker 14: observations about our team internally that I want to let
• 42:15
  Speaker 14: let you know about Brad from Ohio. But I'm a
• 42:18
  Speaker 14: Michigan fan, so I've watched a lot of them. Michael
• 42:23
  Speaker 14: and when you and Michael Jordan's.
• 42:27
  Speaker 15: And Michael jordan Is will never be a run blocker,
• 42:32
  Speaker 15: I mean never has been, not even in college. And
• 42:35
  Speaker 15: Michael Jordan's and when he's a great player. The only
• 42:40
  Speaker 15: problem he had played the best was Ben Bretison. I
• 42:45
  Speaker 15: think he played with.
• 42:47
  Speaker 16: Yeah, ye, inconsistent like you know at times and stuff.
• 42:55
  Speaker 16: And I believe he even got benched at times for
• 42:57
  Speaker 16: it at Michigan.
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: I know. But how many years is he out of college?
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: This is his fifth year, fifth.
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: Year, so right, eight days off.
• 43:06
  Speaker 15: I mean, you know, that was one of the new
• 43:09
  Speaker 15: things they noticed when they when he played at Michigan.
• 43:12
  Speaker 15: But I'm hoping that, you know, that we can get
• 43:17
  Speaker 15: Javon Baker into the mix and have a little empathies
• 43:22
  Speaker 15: for Jared Mayow. The fans are like really hard on him,
• 43:27
  Speaker 15: and you know, the guy look at have empathy for him.
• 43:30
  Speaker 15: How how would someone else feel if they were put
• 43:32
  Speaker 15: in the same circumstance. I mean, you know, are they
• 43:36
  Speaker 15: going to do better than.
• 43:37
  Speaker 10: What he has?
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: Well, you know, I don't know, but I hear what
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: you're saying, Like I'd say, rather than empathy, just a
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: little patience. Yes, he's he's not as smooth as you'd
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: like him to be messaging wise, but we don't know
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: how what he's doing in the locker room, and it
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: doesn't seem like he's lost the locker room where guys
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: you know, I think I think they're still with him.
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: Uh So, so let's see how they respond, you know,
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: whether or not they win this game, Let's see how
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: they play.
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: That's you know, that's I think that that's more more
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: important really than anything, is right, Do they change the
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: way they've looked.
• 44:16
  Speaker 6: Right, some fight.
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Alex is in Virginia. What's up, Alex?
• 44:21
  Speaker 11: Hey guys, Hey time, long time.
• 44:26
  Speaker 17: First of all, I love you guys, listen to you
• 44:27
  Speaker 17: guys all the time.
• 44:28
  Speaker 16: Really appreciate what you guys.
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you.
• 44:31
  Speaker 11: I wanted to rub the value that I've been looking
• 44:33
  Speaker 11: at the past two weeks.
• 44:35
  Speaker 17: I've noticed Wise's comments.
• 44:36
  Speaker 11: About preparation in particular, and just this past week Godchaw
• 44:41
  Speaker 11: joined him on that train and in his conference was
• 44:44
  Speaker 11: talking about preparation being an issue. I'm not on the
• 44:47
  Speaker 11: fire drive train, but it is something I'm looking at.
• 44:49
  Speaker 11: I'm just curious if you guys have seen that. What
• 44:51
  Speaker 11: do you guys think of that?
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean Dietrich Wise mentioned it.
• 44:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, preparation thing was yeap was a red flag?
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: Thanks Alex. I mean, let's face it, it's something you
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: never had to worry about for the last twenty years.
• 45:03
  Speaker 5: But then I want to be fair to the preparation
• 45:06
  Speaker 5: in this past game obviously was good. Yeah, because the
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: first quarter was arguably the best quarter of football they've
• 45:11
  Speaker 5: played all year. Right, they came out, they went right
• 45:14
  Speaker 5: down the field.
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: And scored, made us stop.
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: They stopped I think they gave up one first down
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: and then got a stop and they went right down
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: the field to kicked a field goal. Yep, that's the
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: first quarter. That Now you're into the second quarter now
• 45:25
  Speaker 5: and then just.
• 45:26
  Speaker 6: Black them all. Now you're ready to play, but you
• 45:28
  Speaker 6: can't sustain it.
• 45:30
  Speaker 5: Maybe they hurt some of that. You know, we got
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: to come up with a better game plan. We got
• 45:33
  Speaker 5: to try some different things. Whatever they tried this week.
• 45:36
  Speaker 5: And you know Van Pell talked about it, you know,
• 45:38
  Speaker 5: an hour ago, he was really happy. Maybe it's like
• 45:41
  Speaker 5: just scored a touchdown. Maybe it's less about.
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: The preparation and more about what happens when you get
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: hit in the mouth. You know, how do you adjust,
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: you know.
• 45:49
  Speaker 6: Back to our soft come Yeah, yeah, right, I mean
• 45:52
  Speaker 6: and that's you know that I mean, And that's just
• 45:54
  Speaker 6: in game, especially when it was happening over and over
• 45:57
  Speaker 6: and over and over again. You know, that was where
• 45:59
  Speaker 6: you were hoping you would see at some point because
• 46:01
  Speaker 6: even some of these bad Patriots defenses, I'd feel like
• 46:04
  Speaker 6: they'd always kind of find a way near the end.
• 46:06
  Speaker 6: Maybe they'll force a couple punts and you know, like
• 46:08
  Speaker 6: give you a chance. The offense has never been able
• 46:10
  Speaker 6: to take advantage of it.
• 46:11
  Speaker 5: But there's a reason why it's so hard when the
• 46:14
  Speaker 5: other team. When a team lines up and he's trying
• 46:17
  Speaker 5: to run the clock out and they just line up
• 46:20
  Speaker 5: and run the ball, there's a reason why that's so hard. Yeah,
• 46:22
  Speaker 5: because if the other team knows that you're running the ball,
• 46:25
  Speaker 5: in general terms, they're gonna stop you if they if
• 46:28
  Speaker 5: they want to, you know, if there's a desperation to
• 46:31
  Speaker 5: get the ball back. You usually see the team stop
• 46:35
  Speaker 5: the other team and force the punt to force them
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: to do something different. But that's why so many times
• 46:40
  Speaker 5: you see Patrick Mahomes making a play on those third downs,
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: or Josh Allen, you know, keeping it himself, because if
• 46:47
  Speaker 5: we just runned between the tackles, ninety nine percent of
• 46:50
  Speaker 5: the time, the other team's gonna figure out how to
• 46:51
  Speaker 5: stop it three times before they get ten yards. And
• 46:55
  Speaker 5: the other day the Patriots couldn't stop it even then,
• 46:58
  Speaker 5: Like you get down inside the five yard and the
• 47:00
  Speaker 5: Patriots stopped it even after giving up seventeen straight runs.
• 47:03
  Speaker 5: That's it's generally really hard to do that.
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: Devin and Belleville, Canada, Rit sin Uh, do you guys
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: think we're gonna see the trend of Booty coming down
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: with a big catch continue. I believe it's three straight
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: weeks he's come down with a fairly big play And
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: wanted to know if you guys think that's just because
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: there are no bodies a wide receiver or could he
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: be someone that could be a vibe option in the
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: past game, maybe a number three or four wide receiver.
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: His first few games last year, I thought he made
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: some nice plays, but seemed to have issues getting both
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: feet down, similar to Poke, and I ended up losing
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: and ended up losing his playing time.
• 47:40
  Speaker 6: I just, I mean, I'm fine with a couple of
• 47:41
  Speaker 6: big plays here and there. I just I just want
• 47:43
  Speaker 6: a little more consistency out of him and find him
• 47:45
  Speaker 6: a little bit more on the intermediate routes. You know,
• 47:47
  Speaker 6: It's just it's nice to have Drake hit him on
• 47:50
  Speaker 6: a bomb once a game, but you're hoping it could
• 47:53
  Speaker 6: be more consistent. I mean, you give credit to Booty though,
• 47:56
  Speaker 6: I mean, I thought he was kind of an afterthought
• 47:58
  Speaker 6: this summer, but everybody's crediting him with how much hard
• 48:01
  Speaker 6: work he's put in. And you know, other than Douglas,
• 48:03
  Speaker 6: he's the only real receiver right now who has really
• 48:05
  Speaker 6: flashed and that's something they're desperate for. So if he
• 48:09
  Speaker 6: continues to earn the trust and he can develop more,
• 48:11
  Speaker 6: I think I think it's great.
• 48:11
  Speaker 5: I don't.
• 48:12
  Speaker 6: I don't know. I just I still am not to.
• 48:13
  Speaker 5: Me is the bigger thing with Booty is what you said,
• 48:15
  Speaker 5: like Van Pelt, this is twice in about three or
• 48:17
  Speaker 5: four weeks that he talked about how out of know
• 48:20
  Speaker 5: where he came because he wasn't doing anything. Yeah, and
• 48:23
  Speaker 5: he changed, and Van Pelt said he changed his practice habits,
• 48:27
  Speaker 5: his work habits. So this was a Booty problem, not
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: a Patriots problem last year. Yeah, you obviously wasn't doing
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: what he needed to do, and he wasn't doing what
• 48:35
  Speaker 5: he needed to do this summer, this spring and summer.
• 48:38
  Speaker 5: So when Mike says I thought he was an afterthought,
• 48:41
  Speaker 5: I don't think Mike was wrong.
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: Well, I think it's from his from Booty's comments, he changed.
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: I read into it that he was kind of sulking
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: last year, like he got kind of pushed to the
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: side and then was sulking it didn't instead of taking
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: that and working harder to get back on the field
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: to get more.
• 48:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm more concerned about the way he was thought
• 49:00
  Speaker 5: of this year, this spring and summer, and all of
• 49:03
  Speaker 5: a sudden they said there was a change in him
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: where he was working harder, and he was studying more
• 49:10
  Speaker 5: and was.
• 49:11
  Speaker 6: Sharp answers for everything in the film room.
• 49:14
  Speaker 5: I think he earned his playing time. Maybe it just clicked.
• 49:17
  Speaker 5: I yes, yeah, Now to Mike's point, it's clicked, like
• 49:23
  Speaker 5: I don't think that it's clicking to like two catches
• 49:26
  Speaker 5: a game like that's not that's not enough.
• 49:28
  Speaker 6: No, And that's why I still I think I revert
• 49:31
  Speaker 6: back to what my general impression of him has been
• 49:33
  Speaker 6: of it's nice, but I'm I'll be surprised if he
• 49:36
  Speaker 6: continues to kind of do this and becomes a frequent
• 49:39
  Speaker 6: catch guy on the offense. You know, I just be more.
• 49:42
  Speaker 5: I just look like a guy who at least can
• 49:44
  Speaker 5: win a one on one, Like he beats Man. You know,
• 49:47
  Speaker 5: in both both of those big plays the last two weeks,
• 49:49
  Speaker 5: he's beaten man coverage and they don't have a lot
• 49:51
  Speaker 5: of those guys.
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Brandon, Brandon and Las Vegas via Lexington Mass first off,
• 49:59
  Speaker 4: wanted to say that I've been very impressed with how
• 50:01
  Speaker 4: Fred has handled the changing of both the email and
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: houtline names. Besides a couple slips up, it's been a
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: seamless transition. My question is, how do you think Bill's
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: comments about the Patriots now that he's in the media
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: will impact his ability to get a job next offseason.
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: I don't think teams will look kindly on how he's
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: handled being rejected, seeing as he couldn't get a job
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: this passed offseason. I can't imagine his conduct as a
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: part of the media contingent will help him in this
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: coming off season.
• 50:31
  Speaker 5: I think this is a great question. What do you
• 50:33
  Speaker 5: guys think. I'm curious what you.
• 50:35
  Speaker 6: I don't think it'll affect any I don't think it
• 50:37
  Speaker 6: will affect anything either. I think you if you're gonna
• 50:39
  Speaker 6: sign up for Bill Belichick, you're gonna get well. I
• 50:42
  Speaker 6: think you're already aware. If you're gonna sign up for
• 50:44
  Speaker 6: that experience, you're gonna get some things you probably don't like.
• 50:47
  Speaker 6: And this may this might reflect on some of those
• 50:48
  Speaker 6: things team might not like. But I just think if
• 50:51
  Speaker 6: you're gonna make that move, it's because you want Bill Belichick, good, bad,
• 50:55
  Speaker 6: ugly everything that comes with him to kind of change
• 50:57
  Speaker 6: the narrative around your team.
• 50:58
  Speaker 5: So you're okay that he coaches your team for two
• 51:01
  Speaker 5: years and then on the third year, when he's no
• 51:03
  Speaker 5: longer coaching you, he's just gonna destroy you. Like if
• 51:06
  Speaker 5: I were Jerry Jones, I wouldn't even contemplate hiring him
• 51:10
  Speaker 5: because you know all the skeletons And I heard, you know,
• 51:13
  Speaker 5: you talk about my shows. I heard Fred talking about
• 51:15
  Speaker 5: this the other day, Fred Toucher, And if I were
• 51:20
  Speaker 5: Jerry Jones, well, the skeletons he probably has in his closet.
• 51:23
  Speaker 5: You want Bill Belichick on his seventeen platforms talking about
• 51:26
  Speaker 5: you in two years.
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: You know the way these teams think though, well, we
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: won't have that type of breakup with them. You know
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: they all think that way. That's crazy, I know, but
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: I don't think. I think more so like.
• 51:38
  Speaker 5: You think that what do you think would be a
• 51:39
  Speaker 5: worst breakup? Twenty five years of dominance and then your
• 51:42
  Speaker 5: part ways or two years and it didn't work in
• 51:45
  Speaker 5: your part ways?
• 51:45
  Speaker 4: I know, but I think that more so, what if
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: anything hurts him, it'll be that people are afraid that
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: if we bring him in, it's going to fire everybody,
• 51:55
  Speaker 4: you know, like the that's from what it's reported that's
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: what kept them from being the Falcons head coach.
• 52:01
  Speaker 5: I mean, that could happen. You know, that could happen.
• 52:03
  Speaker 5: But I was really taken aback and I remained surprised
• 52:07
  Speaker 5: by it that there was just no real interest in him.
• 52:10
  Speaker 5: And I just wonder, you know, I wonder how much
• 52:14
  Speaker 5: interest there is in him.
• 52:16
  Speaker 6: I wonder too. I mean, and I like, I just
• 52:18
  Speaker 6: think before he got on all these TV shows, if
• 52:20
  Speaker 6: you listen to what we're said on the way out here,
• 52:22
  Speaker 6: like you knew it wasn't going great. You knew that
• 52:25
  Speaker 6: it was a struggle to kind of keep this thing together.
• 52:27
  Speaker 6: You knew he's tough to deal with, that he wants
• 52:29
  Speaker 6: to run things the way that he's going to do it.
• 52:31
  Speaker 6: And I mean, and even you know, I knew back
• 52:33
  Speaker 6: in nine when I watched that that documentary they did
• 52:35
  Speaker 6: where it's like, man, this is uncomfortable watching him talk
• 52:38
  Speaker 6: to the owner, Like I like, this is weird, Like
• 52:40
  Speaker 6: this is not what I expected. That was the first
• 52:42
  Speaker 6: time I'd ever seen some of those interactions highlighted. So
• 52:45
  Speaker 6: I just I just think these guys are greedy. He's
• 52:47
  Speaker 6: a name, and you're a great attentive, attentive that was
• 52:51
  Speaker 6: the word that comes to mind. But these guys, these
• 52:53
  Speaker 6: owners are all they're they're greedy. They they don't care.
• 52:56
  Speaker 6: They think they can deal with the bad stuff. And
• 52:59
  Speaker 6: I won't be that bad. And everyone's going to be talking.
• 53:01
  Speaker 6: We've got the greatest coach of all the time, and
• 53:04
  Speaker 6: they're whistling past the graveyard. We know, before he started
• 53:06
  Speaker 6: criticizing his former team, you knew that it's gonna that
• 53:09
  Speaker 6: there's gonna be some warts. But you know they probably
• 53:11
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• 53:13
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• 53:15
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• 53:17
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• 53:19
  Speaker 6: That was a big problem. You know, they'll convince themselves
• 53:22
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  Speaker 20: Morning morning, you know, Like I always tell you guys,
• 55:05
  Speaker 20: I always take this opportunity to speak with you guys,
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  Speaker 20: and really with the understanding that I'm talking to the players,
• 55:11
  Speaker 20: all right, talking to the players. Obviously there are things
• 55:13
  Speaker 20: where I'm talking to the fans as well, But you know,
• 55:16
  Speaker 20: the message for those guys, like, it's all about the
• 55:18
  Speaker 20: Jets and we're moving forward.
• 55:19
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 55:19
  Speaker 20: Obviously there's a lot of noise out there, and I say,
• 55:22
  Speaker 20: you know, we are what our record is, and we
• 55:24
  Speaker 20: have to get better, and that ultimately is my responsibility.
• 55:27
  Speaker 20: And look, I take all the blame. It's fine, and
• 55:31
  Speaker 20: it's moving on to the Jets.
• 55:33
  Speaker 21: That said, your message to the guys, what kind of
• 55:36
  Speaker 21: responsibility do you feel you need to take this week
• 55:39
  Speaker 21: with this team because of where they're at and all
• 55:41
  Speaker 21: this noises kind.
• 55:42
  Speaker 20: Of around the world, just continue. It uses as an
• 55:44
  Speaker 20: opportunity to get closer as a unit. You know, it's
• 55:46
  Speaker 20: not the first time that any of those men in
• 55:48
  Speaker 20: there have had to deal with diversity, myself included. It's
• 55:50
  Speaker 20: the time for us to get closer. While you know,
• 55:53
  Speaker 20: everything around you gets louder and hopefully we go out
• 55:55
  Speaker 20: there and get a victory.
• 56:01
  Speaker 11: Is it harder for you to talk to your team
• 56:02
  Speaker 11: now than it was started a season or after the
• 56:05
  Speaker 11: Bengals game?
• 56:06
  Speaker 4: Not at all.
• 56:06
  Speaker 20: And I said, look, during a time of piece, I
• 56:08
  Speaker 20: always tell those guys like, remember what we say on
• 56:10
  Speaker 20: day one when we get to day one hundred, and
• 56:13
  Speaker 20: you know, I think consistency, especially leadership role, is definitely important.
• 56:17
  Speaker 20: And for me, you know, we get to Wednesday at
• 56:20
  Speaker 20: this point in time, We've always changed the page, win loser, draw,
• 56:23
  Speaker 20: and that's always been my mindset, and that's my the thing.
• 56:26
  Speaker 5: Coach Jackson, who's.
• 56:27
  Speaker 22: Always been a vote leader on this team, both as
• 56:28
  Speaker 22: a player and as a coach. For broadcast, seems like
• 56:31
  Speaker 22: really more earthly standing on the sidelines. Is there any
• 56:33
  Speaker 22: thought to me like engaging more with the players. I
• 56:35
  Speaker 22: know everyone's got different styles, but in two of your.
• 56:37
  Speaker 20: Approach, I do engage with the players, are engaged with
• 56:39
  Speaker 20: the defense. And I would say I also have a
• 56:41
  Speaker 20: headset where I'm flipping through channels talking to the coordinators.
• 56:44
  Speaker 20: There have been times where I brought those guys up,
• 56:46
  Speaker 20: and there have been times where I've let the coordinators
• 56:48
  Speaker 20: or position coach do their thing, even though we've talked
• 56:50
  Speaker 20: about it on the headset.
• 56:51
  Speaker 4: So is there any.
• 56:53
  Speaker 5: Consideration when you're taking more ownership of the defense?
• 56:56
  Speaker 20: DeMarcus is our defensive coordinator. Look, I have ownership of
• 56:59
  Speaker 20: the defense, the offense, and special teams. That's how I
• 57:01
  Speaker 20: look at it. You know those guys are coordinators. But
• 57:03
  Speaker 20: once again, ultimately it's it falls on me.
• 57:06
  Speaker 5: Did you say anything more to the guys.
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: In light of your comments on Sunday that they were
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: playing software?
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: Now?
• 57:11
  Speaker 20: No, Look, we're onto the Jets today. If we've had
• 57:15
  Speaker 20: those conversations, I've always looked at that as an opportunity
• 57:18
  Speaker 20: to go out there and prove everyone wrong.
• 57:19
  Speaker 5: That's how.
• 57:20
  Speaker 20: And once again, going back to a chip on your shoulder,
• 57:23
  Speaker 20: We've all had those chips on our shoulders that have
• 57:25
  Speaker 20: gotten us through and so this is no different. Obviously,
• 57:28
  Speaker 20: once again we are struggling as a team. Our records,
• 57:30
  Speaker 20: our record is what it is. It's about what we
• 57:32
  Speaker 20: can do to get better.
• 57:33
  Speaker 21: What is what's the player reaction been to those comments,
• 57:37
  Speaker 21: whether it was after the game, right.
• 57:38
  Speaker 17: Over a radio repus.
• 57:41
  Speaker 20: Look, after the game, we're all disappointed. On a plane
• 57:43
  Speaker 20: along plane ride home, we're all disappointed, and again it's
• 57:46
  Speaker 20: about getting to Wednesday, so we can now focus on
• 57:49
  Speaker 20: the next target. And uh, the guys have good juice
• 57:51
  Speaker 20: expecting a good practice and we'll see how it looks
• 57:54
  Speaker 20: on Sunday.
• 57:55
  Speaker 21: Would you want a reaction out of them in some ways?
• 57:57
  Speaker 5: Would you want them to get bad? For instance? Like
• 58:01
  Speaker 5: are you trying to do that with so much?
• 58:04
  Speaker 20: I'm just telling you, like when I when I talk
• 58:07
  Speaker 20: after games, it's about what I see out there on
• 58:09
  Speaker 20: the field at that current time. In saying that, like,
• 58:13
  Speaker 20: the guys are preparing like it's any other week and
• 58:15
  Speaker 20: we're talking about the Jets.
• 58:17
  Speaker 23: Can't concerned along the message getting for the guys, whether
• 58:22
  Speaker 23: it be setting in and starting to definitely sort of
• 58:25
  Speaker 23: now stop the run five or twenty coach yards a game,
• 58:30
  Speaker 23: seventy plus three plus.
• 58:33
  Speaker 20: I'm always concerned about our team like that comes with
• 58:36
  Speaker 20: the responsibility, responsibility of being the head coach. And I
• 58:39
  Speaker 20: would say if we were sitting here at six and one,
• 58:41
  Speaker 20: I still would be concerned with a lot of different aspects.
• 58:44
  Speaker 20: So I look at it the same way.
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: How different is this challenge Sunday now that they have Devonte.
• 58:49
  Speaker 20: Atherton games, He's I mean Look, he's a good player, obviously,
• 58:52
  Speaker 20: has a great rapport with the quarterback, and you know,
• 58:54
  Speaker 20: another week and second week having him, I expect him
• 58:58
  Speaker 20: to be more involved, even though he was involved the
• 59:00
  Speaker 20: first guy going back.
• 59:01
  Speaker 5: To playing soft comments. I know you said you're not
• 59:03
  Speaker 5: coaching players to do that.
• 59:05
  Speaker 21: What are you going to do this week to prevent
• 59:07
  Speaker 21: that from happening again?
• 59:08
  Speaker 20: Look, all the guys understand. You know, we've had our conversations.
• 59:11
  Speaker 20: It's on to the Jets and that's what we're gonna do.
• 59:12
  Speaker 20: We're just gonna go out there and play good football.
• 59:14
  Speaker 20: That's what we need to do in all three phases
• 59:16
  Speaker 20: of the game.
• 59:17
  Speaker 22: Well that involved any kind of changes on the practice field.
• 59:19
  Speaker 4: Or the meetings.
• 59:20
  Speaker 20: We always try to We always tried new things during practice,
• 59:25
  Speaker 20: even going back to training camp. You always look for
• 59:27
  Speaker 20: things that get responses from your players. But we're going
• 59:29
  Speaker 20: to go out there. Wednesday has always been a work
• 59:31
  Speaker 20: day for us and I expect that to continue today.
• 59:34
  Speaker 5: Part time stopping the run.
• 59:35
  Speaker 4: As a defense, what have you seen on film?
• 59:37
  Speaker 21: Does a defensive guy that you think that you can
• 59:40
  Speaker 21: change to get it right?
• 59:42
  Speaker 20: I would say like the last three weeks, you know,
• 59:43
  Speaker 20: you look at one game, it's the three big runs,
• 59:46
  Speaker 20: and then you look at this pass game and it's
• 59:48
  Speaker 20: the four yard, five yard, four yard, six yard, just
• 59:50
  Speaker 20: the continuous you know, like slow, slow bleed, and you
• 59:55
  Speaker 20: know we have to do a better job like getting
• 59:57
  Speaker 20: off blocks and going out there tackling the ball carrier.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 20: And again it's a huge opportunity this week to kind
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 20: of get back on track.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 21: Those would you consider you guys still like a two
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 21: gapping the defense?
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 20: I would say like if you look over the last
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 20: I mean, if you go back and watch film over
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 20: the last five or ten years, there are times when
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 20: you are in a two gap mentality. But there are
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 20: also times when you're in a one gap mentality. And
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 20: that goes back to the game planning.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 21: So the reason I'm just wondering if when they're or
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 21: she's like, if you guys had this past week.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 5: Or weeks that I think last three gases.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 20: I've got to be five yards and round?
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 4: Do you have to do?
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 21: You have to think of what changing like philosophically, what
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 21: you guys do in order to to adjust because you
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 21: have that's personnel, when you're missing some players, does that
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 21: change how you have.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 4: To handle things?
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 20: Look the players that we have in that locker room
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 20: right now are the players that are capable and have
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 20: done throughout the season. Uh, done a good job against
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 20: the run. And once again, it's about just on a
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 20: down after down after down basis. I tell the players,
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 20: no matter what, uh, special teams, offense or defense, Like
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 20: I don't have a crystal ball, I don't know what
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 20: play it's gonna be, but we just need to be
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 20: sound on every play.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 5: Was he from the run defense in the run game?
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, maybe why they've been structs.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 20: Uh, there are different factors, you know. I wish I
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 20: could get up here and just tell you it's one thing,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 20: it's not. I mean, we need to be a balanced offense.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 20: That's what we need to do. And uh here against
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 20: the Jets, hopefully we get that balance that we need.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 5: You always you.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 23: Start talking, are you disappointed at all? Bill has becal.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 5: And has taken your flight some.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 20: Shots this process, Well, like I said, my main focus
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 20: is the guys inside of this building, not only the players,
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 20: but also the coaches and the rest of the staff.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 20: And look, as soon as we know turn this thing around,
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 20: then we'll be Okay. It comes down to wins and
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 20: losses like, that's what it comes down to, and that's
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 20: what you're ultimately judged by.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: Also, in the.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: Growths to the noise, did you feel compelled to talk
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: to the team about social media.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 15: Are making me change?
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 4: You know?
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 20: For me, it is what it is like. If you're
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 20: winning games, there'll be noise if you're I mean, we've
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 20: done this for a long time. It's very it's very cyclical.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 20: You know, sometimes narratives are already written. It's about just
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 20: the different cast of characters. And what I would say is,
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 20: you know, we know that the only people that can
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 20: go out there and win football games. It's not the media.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 20: It's not it's not your mom calling you telling you
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 20: to do X, Y and Z, or someone at the
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 20: grocery store. No, it's about the guys that are in
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 20: this building.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 5: Jo Concussion, he's in the protocol you think.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 21: Ja to produced in your opinions, he looked like a
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 21: guy to you that just needs like a little time away.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 20: Yeah, you know, as he goes to the protocol, Well
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 20: we'll address it at that point. Thanks.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 5: And now, great moments in.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 4: History. One o'clock on CBS, The one and one Bears
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 4: are at the oh and two cults.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 5: Uh ind by one? Oh tough one? Ah, what's that?
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 6: What's that really?
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 17: Though?
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 5: Fred?
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 4: Well, they're minus two then plus two.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 6: Well there you go, tells you all to know.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna go Cleveland at home. No indies plus one,
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 4: they get three, so they're minus two.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 5: They're at home, so they they get three, right, right,
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 5: So it's really like they're plus two.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 4: They should be four.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 5: So if you're getting three, that means they're favored by one.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 4: We're not getting it.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 5: They are get they're giving points. They're favored by one.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 4: They didn't get the three.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 5: If you could follow the nonsensical three points for the hotel,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 5: what would the spread be if it was neutral?
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: Don't bring me into this any one four one.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 6: Plus three because you get three points at home, you
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 6: would you're giving yeah, plus.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 5: Three plus two if it was zero. I thought you
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 5: get three at go three at home. He says you
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 5: get three. It's not it doesn't exist. But he insists
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 5: that you get three at home.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: It's a rule.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 5: So they're favored by one. Doesn't three minus three zero,
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 5: So that would be reminus sing three.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: You said it was zero, that would.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 5: Be you gotta hurry.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 4: We got you gotta hurry.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 5: That's another great moment.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 4: All right back here on Patriots Unfilled Today. Five to
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 4: five pass five hundred is the TPX Outline podcast at
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 4: patriots dot com is email address. A couple of shows ago,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 4: I think it was a week ago today, we had
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 4: our conversation about hoodies.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, is that yeah?
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 5: I think you're right.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Brian says, Okay, Fred about those hoodies. I
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 4: have no less than forty in my closet, so in
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 4: my own mind, I'm kind of an expert on the topic.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 4: So whether it be thick, thin, t shirty, or whatever,
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 4: the key is, does it have a single pocket in
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 4: the front. If the answer to that question is yes,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 4: it's all good. If no pocket, then the hoodie has
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 4: to go. I have a not on those T shirt ones.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 4: You don't have a pocket in the front. I do
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 4: have not two pockets a single pocket?
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 5: Well, he said, If it has no pocket.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 4: He said, he said, does it have a single pocket
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 4: in the front. If the answer to that question is yes,
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 4: it's all good. If no pocket, then the hoodie.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 5: Has to I have two of them.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 4: That's not good. Divided as for sleeveless.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 6: That they can't connect, can't connect cut through it.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 5: If he's not a single pocket, it's not a single pocket.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 4: As for sleeveless, I also have about ten of those,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 4: which I refer to as my summer hoodies.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 5: Great for start pump cover.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he gets into exercising and I'm not.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 5: Gonna t J has a lot of those. Yeah, it's
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 5: my pump cover.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 5: Like the sweat on hardo correct, Eric, TJ.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 6: Let me get to like mock turtleneck, you know, mock
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 6: sweatshirts with like the you know it didn't have the hoodie,
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 6: just had the the neck on it. You know, like
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 6: a mock turtleneck with turtle. What do they call mock
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 6: mock mocks?
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 5: Well, we used to have mock turtlenecks. Yeah, those were
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 5: like a nineties.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 6: Yeah, early I got made fun of a couple of
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 6: times in college were wearing turtlenecks by girls. They did
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 6: not I think one of the turtles.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 4: Like college, did you have a pipe to like.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 6: Just the turtle neck just to keep the neck warm.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 6: You know, it looks nice under a sweater.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 5: I never thought, never a big turtleneck guy. But go
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 5: through the mock turtle neck phase.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 4: Though I think I might have.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 6: Changed chain on the outside.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 5: Ah. No, I was never a chain on the outside. Guy,
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 5: You know that.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: I'm googling mocks just to see what they were, and
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: the pictures have chains on the outside.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 5: I never ever wore a change outside, never, never, not once.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 5: And I used to wear a chain every day. Sure
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 5: with the horn, No more with the horn. I don't
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 5: have any no change change.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 4: Jacob and Illinois says, listening to Paul fight listeners over
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 4: two point conversions maybe the funniest operating hazard I've had
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 4: while driving my truck. I've got a statement for the team,
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 4: and then two podcast bits. One, we all knew the
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 4: team wasn't going to be great, so everyone acting like
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 4: we're beyond hope and help just seems like childish whining
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 4: from spoil fans. Like interstate road construction, the ride may
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 4: get a lot rougher before you see smooth and open roads.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 4: Be patient, it'll come. Two. I'm getting aggravated that Paul
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 4: can't get a new car when you have the intro
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 4: read for your friends at buy Atoyota dot com. What's
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 4: it gonna take for them to help a guy out
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 4: get him a nice four runner? So he and Mike
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 4: could go off roading into the beach to look for Jaws.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 6: Here you go, Toyota, Jaws is in the ocean. You
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 6: know your boat, you said, the beach looking out on
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 6: the buy not did you have to learn the coastguard?
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 4: No?
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 4: And if you want to see Toyota's best offers, including
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 4: those not seen on TV, go to buy a Toyota
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 4: dot com. It's the official website for deals from the
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 4: official vehicle the New England Patriots. So let's go get
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 4: Paul a new car.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's one of my favorite emails ever.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 6: I might have to get Toyota.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 4: I'm talking to you if because I know that there's
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 4: always somebody no matter what the subject that's related. So
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 4: I know there's somebody from Toyota listening. If you got Paul, Paul,
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 4: If you got Paul a new car, the promotion that
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 4: you would get off of that exceeds anything you could
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 4: buy on TV or radio.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 5: I would do read here shows.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 6: We do pictures of them advertising every day up to PVT.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 4: What model do you want?
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 5: I could probably isn't CAMERI isn't that The camera is
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 5: a good one of an accord?
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 4: Right? Yes? I don't know.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, anyone camera is a good good one.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 6: Get the Ford Runner. Look on the Ford.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 5: I don't I don't need isn't that I don't need
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 5: anything special. I don't need an.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 6: Suv or I just need space.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 5: Spread I don't need space.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think one to want the Corolla.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 5: Is that camera is higher than isn't Camery bigger than Corolla?
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 6: Is the low the low man.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 5: I think Corolla is like a Civic, I think, and
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 5: a camera is like a cord.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it doesn't have to be a Honda anyway.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 4: Right, not used?
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 5: Well, I could use a new one. I have a
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 5: long commute, yeah, one hundred miles a day.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I got a hum. I got a hum in
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 6: the back of my car that I don't know how
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 6: they're gonna fix it, but it's driving me crazy.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 5: Sort to have a bad car that has a lot
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 5: of miles.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 6: How many miles? Two hundred and fifty thousand, See that's
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 6: an advertiser two.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 5: And forty nine. Yeah, I think right now.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so let the mixt Let the next Toyota journey
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 4: begins in pasted inspection in three years one year, Come on, Toyota,
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 4: step up.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 5: I don't know why you have to call that out
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 5: to attention. Fred just told you we have a lot
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 5: of people from a lot of different walks at the
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 5: State Police. Now state listening.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 6: Who's gonna be I'm just gonna hang out on me.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 4: Finally, Jacob says, with next Thursday being Halloween, could we
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 4: see a PU show with everyone in costume? I hear
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 4: recreating Hooper's look isn't hard and Evan could break out
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 4: in his tightest pants to be Ben Johnson.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 6: Nope, so that'd be sexy.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 5: U Micha will come in as like some I could do.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 6: Something mid eighties Patriots.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 4: I like that.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 5: Coach challenge accepted, Raymond Berry, don't come in as I've been.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 6: Trying to find a way to get my wig on
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 6: this show. I'm gonna get that wig on this show.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 6: It's a great way.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 4: What's stopping you? Just bring it in and where fine?
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 5: Speaking of Halloween, I got booed yesterday.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, gave it away? Yeah.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 5: I was like, yeah, I didn't give it away. I
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 5: plan on parts.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 4: So here's the funny thing.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 5: But I wanted everybody to shore.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 4: So what people you get booed, you get like a
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 4: bucket of candy, and it says you got booed, and
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 4: the idea is now you have to boost somebody else
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 4: and get them a bucket of candy.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 5: So a couple of weeks stops here.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 4: No, but listen. A couple of weeks ago, I was
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 4: cleaning out my office and I found these like stick
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 4: on tattoos. So I left them on Autumn's desk, you know,
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 4: one of our new video people. I figured out maybe
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 4: she'll want it, so I left them on her desk.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 4: So yesterday I got booed and in the bucket were
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 4: those tattoos?
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 5: Nice?
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 4: So I said to her, I go, yeah, I got booed.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 4: She's like, oh really, God, yeah, and you did it?
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 5: How do you know?
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 4: Because the tattoos that I left on your desk were
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 4: in the bucket. She's like, oh man, I outed myself
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 4: so that was funny.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 5: So I, uh, yeah, Sailor did it to me. Well, yeah,
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 5: there's a picture of her, so I don't think she's
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 5: trying to cover take credit. But I feel bad because
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 5: now that the chain ends little mist I thought that
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 5: maybe refuse to partake, well, refuses a strong word.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 4: I think I think it's probably he got very accurate
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 4: in this case. I think you're slapping down the Di'angelo's
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 4: sub right now.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 5: H No. I actually, as part of my my bucket,
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 5: I got a jersey Mike's card, oh wow. But I
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 5: gave it to camp because I thought he might be
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 5: able to use it. The man of the p was
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 5: very I am a man. I thought you were first,
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 5: Like I got booed.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 6: You were gonna get mad? Like what you booing me?
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 6: Why are you booing me? Like everyone you know?
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 5: I wasn't. It wasn't.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 6: That was a good thing.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 5: It wasn't mad at all. You know. Like, there's a
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 5: nice bucket of candy they put together, and I figured
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 5: everybody can enjoy it.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 4: In the office a lot of pressure.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 5: So I put it in the bullpen, though, right so
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 5: everybody can enjoy it. I'm getting mocked by Mike.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 6: You can't give me any of your candy.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 5: I I didn't get any of that candy. It's it's
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 5: in the bullpen.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 4: Bullpend's not the radio studio.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 5: Okay, I'll bring it down.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 6: I don't. I don't mess with those white chocolate peanut buttercups.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 5: That's did you try one?
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 6: I have tried.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 5: You don't white chocolate peanut butter. Try them. I will
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 5: just say that, say it's exactly like the regular milk
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 5: chocolate on peanut.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 4: Butter is overwhelming, correct, it overwhelms the chocolate.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 5: Are the still like one of the greatest.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 6: I put it up as the.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 5: It's the capital t the best, the best.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 4: And when you get to sleep, take simple. When you
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 4: get the sleeve of three, that first one is always
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 4: the best one, you know, it comes out.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 6: I like the specialty ones like in the pumpkins.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 5: Oh.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 6: I don't like any little thicker, little thicker.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't like any of that. Just give me
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 4: the normal Reese's peanut butter cup. Fine, let's go to
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 4: the TPX outline. Brian's and mass what's up, Brian, it's kind.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 6: Of vague, Brian, Brian Belichick.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well he's out Joe practice. Joe's in Delaware. What's up,
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 4: Joe Biden?
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 17: Thank guys, thanks for taking a call.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 24: I have a question if in March twenty twenty, instead
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 24: of letting Brady go, Robert Kraft convinces Brady to re
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 24: sign and let's Belichick go, do you think they that
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 24: the Patriots could have won another Super Bowl and just
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 24: for context, I'm sure Josh McDaniels would have been the
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 24: head coach. There weren't a ton of other candidates available,
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 24: Eric b Enemy and maybe Bill O'Brien, and then the
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 24: free agent class had Amari Cooper. But instead of the
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 24: trading our first round pick, we could have maybe drafted
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 24: Brandon Aiyuk or Ti Higgainst And I'll take the call
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 24: off here.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 17: Think cool?
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 4: Okay, thanks?
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, like that puts a lot of different variables. I
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 5: would need all of those kinds of moves to have
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 5: been made if I would say that they would have
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 5: won a Super Bowl, Yeah, because I don't think the
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 5: twenty nineteen Patriots were anywhere close.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 6: No, with Tom Brady, Yeah, and trying to figure out
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 6: how to bring Tom Brady back into that mix with
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 6: I mean, how are you gonna find the weapons that
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 6: year too? Like he's a rookie. I think twenty twenty,
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 6: I don't know. I mean, I would never rule anything
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 6: out with Tom Brady, But.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 5: No, I wouldn't even say he has no chance because
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 5: we've seen him with average to below average talent.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 6: And you think that twenty twenty season two. I always
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 6: thought he just kind of had a distinct advantage because
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 6: like his team well I mean, I don't want to
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 6: take too much credit away from him, but having an
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 6: established quarterback and system and everything in that season when
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 6: it all everything got turned upside down, and you know,
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 6: having a guy that intense. I mean, can you imagine
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 6: some of these teams now we're talking about it's hard
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 6: for them to like maintain folks.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 5: Got in trouble in front of it, doing things that
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 5: he wasn't supposed to do. Right in Tampa, have a meet.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 4: R M writes in your discussion last week to visualize
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 4: what the regular callers look like based on their voices,
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 4: reminded me of my impression of what the PU team
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 4: looked like while only having listened to the podcast for
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 4: three plus years. I have since seen the team on
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 4: video and we'll share my thoughts. Oh Jesus, Paul looks older, crustier,
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 4: and more pompous than what his voice sounds like. He
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 4: is too pale and definitely needs son. Wow. Fred, with
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 4: his amiable sounds and comments, looks similar to the impression
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 4: of a father figure of a house full of rabid
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 4: football fans. However, he does have a face for radio
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 4: and not TV. Wow. Mike looks nothing like expected. With
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 4: all the discussion of his Hollywood good looks, one would
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 4: expect he is a Richard Gear lookalike, whereas he is
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 4: much closer to Shemp.
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  Speaker 6: I appreciate the three reference. That's good, that's good.
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  Speaker 5: Well, you could call me pale, but Mike is wicked hands.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 4: Tite pants. Evan looks the part perfectly. He's the kid
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 4: in class that sits in the front row, raises his
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 4: hand for every question, and receive wedgies throughout. There was
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 4: no surprise there. Alex and Tamara have lovely, sweet voices
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 4: and both exceeded expectations. I'm not sure what the caller
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 4: slash Texture a few months ago was thinking about when
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 4: he said Alex's hair was not good. It might have
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 4: been a bad day, but I think he needs his
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 4: eyes examined. All in all, it would make sense to
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 4: keep the cameras on the ladies and relegate the remainder
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 4: of the staff to the closet.
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  Speaker 6: Wow, thank you for your email.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, let's see thord Or from Iceland. We have listeners
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 4: from all over the world. Obviously longtime listener, first time
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 4: electronic email sender was wondering if I it would be
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 4: possible to get Mike's and Evans song somewhere so I
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 4: can have them as my ring tone. I just threw
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  Speaker 4: up on myself. My wife and daughters always laugh when
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 4: I'm listening to your shows and start to sing along
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  Speaker 4: with the songs. Have a great day.
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  Speaker 5: Well you can just.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 4: Record the You just download this show and recording yourself.
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  Speaker 6: Could email you one of those. It's catchy Ran by
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  Speaker 6: the way.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll get him in a second, Ray writes in
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 4: I know we talk about Bill being hard to deal
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 4: with back in the day, but hearing Julian Gronk and
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 4: Billy O talk, it seemed that Tom was just as hard.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 4: Do you all agree Tom was still?
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  Speaker 6: I think that's some of the stuff that we talked
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 6: about where you've heard Tom Brady talk about a couple
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 6: of different times of you're not getting the ball like that,
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 6: you like you would just be like if you don't
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 6: do you're not getting the ball, I'm not throwing it.
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  Speaker 5: To Do you think that, Like do you think about
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 5: that right now with like Jalen Polk a little bit? Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: but like I like Brady, that would be enough.
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  Speaker 6: No, and his career will be over.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 5: No, I don't know about, but this season would be over.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 6: Tough, tough, I mean even Jewels.
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  Speaker 5: You know that.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 6: There's a great Edlman clip of you know, they'd be
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 6: running drills and it was looked against Aaron and Welker
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 6: would get up and go first, and he would go
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 6: through the drill and then Edelman was like, you know,
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 6: I get up and I go through the d and
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 6: Billy O does the impression. It's perfect of Tom. He like, Jules,
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 6: didn't you see how West did it? And he's like,
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 6: I'm running at the sea. Was kidding man, you know,
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 6: but that's.
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  Speaker 5: That's how hard it was. Some of those clips I
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 5: haven't I haven't watched those podcasts, but some of the
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  Speaker 5: clips like thatman's good at it.
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  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, he's pretty Bill Billy.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 5: Impersonations were pretty good.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 6: To talking about a Bill's feet smelling in meetings. That
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 6: was another girl.
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  Speaker 4: But I guess they talked to Bill O'Brien just recently,
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 4: maybe yesterday or a couple of days ago, and he
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 4: said that last year was an absolute like it was
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 4: like he most horrible. It was.
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  Speaker 6: It was a mess, like every time it's come up
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 6: last year.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, of course it.
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  Speaker 4: Was like we all knew that at some point Bill
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 4: O'Brien was going to talk about last year's experience. I
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 4: didn't know he had talked about it so recently.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 6: So every time everything he said, that's all I've heard
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 6: is just like the little bits of just like it
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 6: was kind of related to me, and people ask him
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 6: questions and scrums about it and him just being like,
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 6: I'm not we're not talking about it. It was a
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  Speaker 6: mess like that. He just kind of pleads the fifth
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  Speaker 6: the whole season, which I think is kind of interesting
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 6: at this point, which might be nice to get like
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 6: some of that perspective of you know, well, what was
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  Speaker 6: a mess. But you know, like now I want to know.
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  Speaker 5: My guess is the mess was that he wasn't really
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  Speaker 5: allowed to bring any of his own coaches with him. Yep.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 5: He was kind of saddled with an offensive line coach
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  Speaker 5: who ended up, you know, through unforeseen circumstances, not Adriana
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  Speaker 5: clemm wasn't able to finish the season or missed a
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 5: big chunk of the season, and Billy Oh had to
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 5: basically run the whole thing.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, he had to do will long and I think
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  Speaker 6: that was that was a guy.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, so that's a mess when you're an offensive coordinator
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  Speaker 5: and you're trying to do you know, everything without any
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 5: of your guys. You're running every meeting.
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  Speaker 4: But you could see from his body language he'd be
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  Speaker 4: on the sideline. He'd be just shaking his head.
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  Speaker 5: Well, you know, and yeah do I you know, I
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  Speaker 5: like Billy. Oh, so maybe I give him a little
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 5: bit more leeway. But it's not all that different than
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 5: what Patricia had to deal with the previous year. Not
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 5: only you're trying to make this guy an offensive coordinator,
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 5: but he's the offensive line coach and he's saddled quote
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 5: unquote with Joe Judge, who's got his fingers in every
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 5: element as the quarterbacks guru. Like just the setup the
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 5: design was not ideal the last two years before this one.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 4: Henry writes in I'm curious if anyone else thinks the Patriots'
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 4: front office over estimated their desirability when trying to sign
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 4: veterans this past offseason, And if so, would may starting
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 4: and playing at a reasonable level be enough to sign
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 4: some high end talent in the off season. Well, certainly
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 4: they got slapped in the face, particularly with Ayuk. I mean,
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 4: he did not want to come here. They the Patriots
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 4: offered him more money US than Pittsburgh was offering, and
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 4: certainly more than he ended up getting at San Francisco.
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  Speaker 4: He didn't want He didn't even want to talk about it.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 5: But now that was a good move.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 4: Or whether it was a good or bad move towards
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 4: a so that would have happened too. But whether but
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 4: whether or not he would have been good here, that
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 4: beside the point. The point is he didn't want to
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 4: come here, period, and you know Calvin Ridley didn't seem
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 4: to be that crazy about it.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 5: Either, you know, did want to come here.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So it's an it's a problem. It's a problem
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  Speaker 4: that they're going to have to do.
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  Speaker 5: It will still be a problem no matter what Drake
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  Speaker 5: May does. The difference is it's not an insurmountable problem.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 6: Right, you have.
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  Speaker 5: To pay your way out of it. Yeah, you know,
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 5: you're going to have to pay a little bit more
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  Speaker 5: probably than an average team, unless you know, May is
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 5: so good that they start winning games. Yeah, that changes it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, like let's just say that May continues
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 4: the progression and let's say Booty and Born pick one another,
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 4: Pop Douglas have good seasons and you're a wide receiver
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 4: on teams, Like if they can do well with that guy,
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 4: I can light it up.
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  Speaker 5: But they have to win. Yeah, like they like Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: Mike always talks about the ninety three thing, like show
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 5: something that there's something brewing light at the end of
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 5: the time. We got so they have ten games left.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 5: Can they go five and five in the last ten
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  Speaker 5: and you know, and May's throwing for three hundred yards,
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 5: you know, in seven of those ten games, and these
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 5: guys look good. Yeah, maybe someone, you know, someone look
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 5: at that and say, I can I can help that team?
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 5: I can? I can They're on the way.
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  Speaker 6: Especially where he's chucking bombs downfield. I mean that's like
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 6: just that in and of itself. I feel if I'm
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 6: an receiver room like that guy can hit me. Man,
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 6: I can get open downfield. I'm gonna make some big plays.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 6: You know.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 4: Brian's back. Brian from mass He's from the whole state. Vague,
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 4: very vague is multiple locations.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 5: And you guys after you Brian, you're trying to keep
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 5: a low profile.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, what's up her business?
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 6: Doing good?
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 5: Maybe? Okay, how are you.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 10: All right?
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 5: Is that is that it?
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 18: You?
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 5: Just okay?
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 4: All right, we'll move on. Courtney's in Houston. What's up Courtney?
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  Speaker 17: Hey, guys, thanks for taking my call. I just wanted
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 17: to say, jump in here really quickly. Out weird call
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 17: by the way, Brian, I just want to give you guys.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 17: I just want to take a second, Mike. I've never
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 17: gotten the privilege of talking to you directly, so to me,
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 17: this is a lot of cool at to get because
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 17: I'm gonna ask you a defensive question, but I just
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 17: wanted to take a second to give you, guys your flowers.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 17: You guys have been making me laugh all day, despite
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 17: all of the stuff that's been going on with the
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 17: Patriots and all the commocuous stuff that's going on. So
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 17: just the laughter today, the joy, the recalls from being
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 17: JB QB coach like, you guys are making this scene
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 17: really lighthearted, and I promise you that that's worth a lot.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 17: So Mike, here's my question. Let's go past president future defensively.
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  Speaker 17: Do you think that there's something I'll gilmore that we
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 17: could have gotten in all, you know, pre off season
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 17: that could have helped the SFUS. I know, obviously we
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 17: went very heavy on the draft offensively, which made sense.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 17: I'm say that right, Yeah, we went heavy on the
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 17: draft offensively, but do you think there's something we could
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 17: have did with the defense? Do you think there's something
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 17: we can do with the trade deadline? And then do
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 17: you see them going heavy free agency next year knowing
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 17: that they're probably going to use that draft capital on
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 17: the offensive staff a year. I'm the guy that came.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. No, it's a good question, Courtney. And here here's
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 4: the thing. The the answer is probably there was. But
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 4: at the beginning of the season, you didn't think it
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 4: was going to be this bad, Like you didn't think
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 4: that on defense, we have to really you know, look
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 4: at So that's why they were going after wide receivers.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 4: That's why they brought in you know, chukes On, you know,
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 4: so their focus was like how do we make this
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 4: offense better? Had they known what was going to happen
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 4: on defense, Yeah, there probably was things they could have done.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 4: Gilmore was a guy that was out there to chance. No,
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 4: but I'm just saying there was there were guys out
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 4: there that could have helped this defense.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 5: But like I think you have would have had the
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 5: same problem that you had on offense trying to do that. Yeah,
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 5: like you can sign Sioni Taki taki, But you're not
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 5: going to sign Rokwan Smith, right, he ain't coming here
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 5: right now. This was directed his question.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 4: But but I think that Courtney's point was there didn't
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 4: seem to be that focus on the defense. And he's right,
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 4: But I don't think they think thought they needed to.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 6: I think they I mean, I think they needed another edge.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 6: I mean, I think they could have used a young
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 6: you know, third fourth round pick doesn't have to be
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 6: the first couple of rounds. But that was the sweet
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 6: spot I was looking at those guys last year. They
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 6: could have done it in free agency too. I mean,
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 6: I think we all saw the writing on the wall
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 6: with Judon. We knew that that was going to come
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 6: to some kind of contract in past. So you know,
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 6: I said to Paul, I mean I kind of like
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 6: Anthony Jennings. I think he's like, you know, a good
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 6: role player. But you know, in a perfect world, I
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 6: would have taken when I paid Jennings and Uce and
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 6: maybe tried to put that into one player who is
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 6: a combination of the two and playing you know, all
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 6: three downs and somebody who you know continues to just
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 6: kind of be a spot player and Jennings is a
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 6: run stuffer, but their run defense things right now.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 4: So I think a lot of these guys you mentioned
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 4: Jennings and I agree, they're all good players, but they're
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 4: not the tier players and they're asked to be now.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 4: And that's the problem that they're being asked to be
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 4: impact playmakers and they're support players. They're they're solid support players.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 4: They're the middle class that Paul likes to scoff at.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it's hard to say that sets I
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 6: wouldn't have done more, But at safety, I think they
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 6: like that position group. It's been you know, it is
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 6: what it is. With what's happened to Pepper's Bentley, I'm
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 6: kind of a little bit confused on just because I'm
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 6: looking at next offseason and yeah, he's gonna come back,
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 6: but I think you've seen this year that the drop
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 6: off of not having a second guy who can play
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 6: inside off the ball is a detriment. So I would
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 6: I would consider drafting that that that spot next year.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 5: I said, you know, edge, Mike, You've always been edge
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 5: in another corner, like you know, and then the linebackers
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 5: and stuff. I'd agree with all your assessments. I just
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 5: I think it's fair to criticize the structure of the
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 5: roster because they could have done more. But I don't
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 5: necessarily blame them for Listen, if bar Moore, Bentley and
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 5: Pepper's were all out there and listen, that's unrealistic because
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 5: every defense loses guys. But if those guys were out there,
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 5: that's the defense they thought they will bring it into
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 5: the season. I think they'd be one and six, well
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 5: three of those guys, but they wouldn't be allowing two
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 5: hundred yards a game rushing and and you know, maybe
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 5: they'd be two and five because I think they would
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 5: have won the Miami game. But to Mike's point, what
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  Speaker 5: you know, fourth round pick, you know, maybe a guy
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 5: like that early day three kind of a pick on defense. Yeah,
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 5: that's a guy that I think Mike is right, you
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 5: can add some depth to your some areas that are lacking.
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 5: But I don't think that they should have been interested
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 5: in high profile signings and free agency on defense at
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 5: those spots, not even getting into the same problem I
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 5: think they were to run into, like daniel Hunter got
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 5: moved in the off You think Danielle Hunter wants to
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 5: go to the Patriots in the off season he goes
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 5: to Houston.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 4: I think, is your mind right now wrapped around? Forget
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 4: about the quick fixes. We need long term guys.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 5: That's how I look at it. Yes, Yeah, that's why
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 5: I'm not overly interested in like Cooper Cup right now.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 5: You know, I don't. Yeah, would that help right now? Yeah,
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 5: but that's not gonna help me get where I want
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 5: to go.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 4: Roy says Paul would look good behind the wheel of
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 4: an avalon. Oh that's the top end. I think.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 5: Oh well, I would be fine with whatever you're going
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 5: to give me for the bags.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 4: Afford kudos to him for pointing out the absence of Barmore,
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 4: Bentley and Pepper's It led to the run stats that
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 4: Belichick referenced. Anyway, Okay, Evan's backs and has turned has turned.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 4: We're eagerly awaiting your report.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: I know this is big stuff. Good news or bad news.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: Good news first, good news first. For Andre Stevenson, back
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 2: at Patriots practice on Thursday.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 4: Spoke to us.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: He spoke correct, No, totally not correct. He spoke to
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: us earlier today. It sounded like a family personal matter
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: is why he didn't practice yesterday. Not necessarily the injury. Uh,
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: so he he looks like he's gonna be good to
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 2: go again on Sunday. And the bad news No Jalen
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: Polk still so he remains in concussion protocol. That one's
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 2: not turning in a great direction. And no Leyden Robinson still.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: So both those guys are Darian Lowe was there, but
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: then just like yesterday, he was there and then was
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: still a d NP on the injury report later in
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: the day, So TVD on that one. But he again
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: when we took attendance, he was there.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 6: There was a few of those DMP yesterday.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: On Waite also there, Yeah.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 6: Falling on there was one more, gotcha.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like this regime are giving some more
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: of those, Oh he's banged up on a Wednesday kind
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: of days to guys that are playing a lot, you know,
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 2: like a Keon White for example, who is playing a
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: ton and just give him one of those days to
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: to rest whatever is kiling him.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 4: All right, let's see what do We got a little
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 4: cooler today than yesterday, but still mild for this time of.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 2: A great day. It's a great day out there today.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: A little overcast today compared to yesterday.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 6: Yeah, maybe a little smoke in the air, little forest
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 6: fires going on around.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: I did not know that, but yeah, a little bit,
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: you know, different today than yesterday.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 4: But so you heard the coordinators this morning, Alex van Pelt,
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 4: did you get a sense that this morning's meeting was
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 4: a good meeting from the Wide Receiving Corps.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: I think Kendrick Bourne said a lot of the right
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: things today, and I do believe that he is trying
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: to be a leader in that room, and he's trying
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: to take guys under his wing, if you will. I
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: think that right now.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 5: There's just.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: For me personally, some of the quoting of the Wide
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: Receivers I personally feel has been unfair by my colleagues.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: You know, somebody asks Kayshawn Booties yesterday, what's your mentality
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: on the field, and he says, I want the ball
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: and then that gets run with as a quote of him.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 5: Being a diva and selfish.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like it's like.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 4: That.
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 2: It was a question about what.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 5: About the comment that he said the only time I
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 5: get the ball was when I ask for it. He
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 5: didn't say that though, Oh okay, yeah, someone just made
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 5: up a quote.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 2: No, I'm just saying it was made up, though you know,
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: he said that he came to the sideline in the
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 2: Texans game specifically and said something along the lines of,
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 2: you know, I can get this guy. You know, he
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 2: knows stingly.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 5: Very well everybody. So you're saying he was misquoted because
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 5: that's not what he said. That's not what he's being
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 5: credited as.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 2: I would I would just say that the quote in
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: the in the context of the question is important. You
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 2: know the question.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 5: Agree with that.
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 2: The question was what is your mentality on the field,
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 2: and his mentality as a wide receiver is that he
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: wants the ball if his mentality as a wide receiver was.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 5: But his again, I'm not in the locker room because
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 5: I'm not allowed to be anymore.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 4: And that's not true.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 5: That's kind of true. If you have a camera, it
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 5: kind of is.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 6: It's not.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 5: They don't want us in the locker room cameras no period.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 4: No. Yes, maybe, but that's not the rule.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 5: Don't want us many of us in the locker trying
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 5: to cut back on that, so I'm trying.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 4: If you have something to do in the locker room,
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 4: you have every right to be in there.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 5: The that's not the same as him saying the last
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 5: two weeks. The only time I got the ball, I
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 5: had to ask for it, and like saying I want
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 5: the ball is not the same the same. That's what
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 5: he's being credited as having said. If he didn't say it,
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 5: then that's wrong. If he did say it, Like again,
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 5: I'm not there, so I don't know. I'm always going
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 5: off what i'm reading them, them, these guys writing on
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 5: Twitter and stuff. So if Evan's telling you that's not
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 5: what he said, then he's being misquoted.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 2: That's wrong, right, Yeah, I wouldn't say he's being misquoted.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 2: I would just say that it's the context of the
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 2: setup is important because you can pull quotes and you
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 2: can pull a set. You know, he gives a four
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 2: sentence answer, and then you can pull a quote of
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 2: one sentence that he says in the four sentence answer
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 2: that sounds a little spicy, and and frame it in
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 2: a certain way to make it look spicy, you know.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: kJ Osborne. I was in that scrum yesterday too, and
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: kJ Osborne got asked ten different ways do you want
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 2: to be traded? It's like how many literally rephrasing the
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 2: question over and over and over and over again with
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 2: the same question. Of do you want to be traded?
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 2: Do you want to be here? Do you know all
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: that kind of stuff, and he said, I'm here right now.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: This is where I am.
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 5: I don't care about the l oop comment.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 4: That's anale loop.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: No, I just I'm just telling you.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 5: I will just say this misquoted, misrepresented whatever. The coaches
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 5: obviously felt strongly enough to have a meeting about it. Yeah,
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 5: like we got to keep that inside. That's what Alex
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 5: van Pelt said today. We got to keep that internal.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 5: We got to do a better job. He was asked
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 5: specifically about the wide receivers for context, he was asked
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 5: specifically about the wide receiver room, and he said, we
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 5: got to do a better job of keeping that stuff inward.
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 5: I'm not trying they thought it was important enough to address.
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 2: I'm not telling you it's not important enough to address.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: I am just telling you that there are there's a
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 2: way to do it, you know, like there's and these
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 2: guys got to button up what they're saying. There's no
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: doubt about that. And I'm it's smart that the team
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: is addressing it. I just think a lot of the
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 2: things that are being said are are being amplified because
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: the team is one and six, and everybody is looking
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 2: for something life that, for something to quote and for
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 2: something to say, and.
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 4: All the more reasons for them to be careful, right, you.
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 2: Know, agreed. I just a lot of that going on.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 4: More importantly, and we do have to hurry because picks.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 4: But how is the civil war among the media going?
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 5: Oh?
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 4: Who's winning?
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 2: I know that's what we're going now.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 5: I'm interested got a civil war?
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 4: Who's winning? Uh? I don't want to put you.
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 2: Other spot well with your colleagues now, I mean, and
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 2: I don't want to and I don't want to throw
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 2: anybody under the bus. I just too late, I know.
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 2: But it just feels and look, we.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 4: We feel like people are taking sides a little bit.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 2: We we talk about it all the time that our
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 2: job is slightly different than than what it is when
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 2: you work on the outside. But when you go into
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 2: the locker room and you have a goal in mind
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 2: of I'm going to talk to kJ Osborne or I'm
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 2: going to talk to Kaishawn Booty, and then you're asking
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 2: certain pointed questions and the guys are answering the questions,
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 2: and then we're running with it like it doesn't do
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 2: anybody as service right, like it's not it the child,
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 2: it's just not okay, I don't know.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 5: I'm well, I don't know. But the job used to
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 5: it's not the weekend has his agent come out and
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 5: say he wants to get as him about getting traded job.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 4: But the job used to be get those quotes and
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 4: then write the story with the facts behind it and elaborate.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 4: But now it's just for clicks. Now it's just get
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 4: the headline out in my tweet and I got clicks,
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 4: and you know, fine, But it used to be there
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 4: was some reporting behind those quotes, you know, like what's
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 4: going on, like what's the you know.
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 5: This just gets back to my original thing. This is
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 5: the way people want to do it now.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 4: No, I know, that's what I'm saying.
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 5: Wants to report, that's right, And then they try to
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 5: report and they get made fun of. This is what happens. Well,
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 5: they're making it up, they're blowing it out of proportion. No,
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 5: they're not, well, you know they're not. I'm not saying
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 5: it's not good. And when the coaches are openly talking
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 5: about the meetings that they're having in the morning, these
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 5: are issues in the locker room. They should be pounding him.
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 5: If this was New York, it would be way worse.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 5: But there's too many here that just want to be
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 5: covering the Patriots and put that on their resumes, put
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 5: it on there. To your point, that's how they're getting clicks.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 5: They're on there, they're on Twitter telling everybody I covered
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 5: the Patriots in my avatar with me talking to Tom
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 5: Brady like that's that's the identity for half of these people.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 4: Who could we be talking to?
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 5: All right, a lot of people that's that's not an
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 5: individual thing.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 6: No, I know, I know.
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 5: It's just fun to say, cover the team, Like, that's
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 5: not your job to have fun. It's hard. Well, if
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 5: you're doing it right, it's hard, and you don't have
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 5: to be a flamethrower. Mike Vice is as good at
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 5: it as anybody. He's not a flamethrower. No he's not,
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 5: but he's he's like he's covers the team.
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 4: But I don't think he's well anyway anyway. No, listen,
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 4: you got to ask the questions. You have to ask
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 4: the questions.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 5: And when they answer them, you got to write what
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 5: they say. Yeah, I have no inside doesn't think you should.
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 2: I have no problem with any of that.
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 5: I just.
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 2: It's a young group. These guys are clearly saying things that.
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 4: Well they need they are probably they need instruction. You know,
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 4: you can't just say everything.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 2: That's on your today. Everybody goes up to Javon Baker
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 2: and now I'm sure that in an hour there'll be
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 2: a bunch of stories about what's going on with you know,
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 2: what he had to say about his issues.
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 4: You know, you have to consider my role on the team,
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 4: responsibility to my teammates, and like, is what I'm about
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 4: to say helping us win games or you know? Or
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 4: is it gonna hurt it?
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 5: Or is it serving my agenda?
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 4: Is it serving my agenda?
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 5: But I think there's been too much of that.
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 4: There's too much of that. Am I creating a distraction
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 4: for my teammates? Okay? What happened last week? Paul?
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 5: All right? Not not quite the dominance that Evan and
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 5: I are accustomed to. But Alex, Evan and Paul we're
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 5: all ten and five, Mike and Fred nine and six
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 5: overall with the spread. Mike ten and five are rare
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 5: better with a spread than over all week for Mike.
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 5: There you go, Alex and Fred nine and six, and
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 5: I go back down to the basement. I was a
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 5: one week flash in the pan Evan and seven and eight.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 5: So here are the standings. I maintained my lead in
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 5: the overall at sixty seven and forty, Alex sixty six
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 5: and forty one, Evan sixty five and forty two, Fred
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 5: sixty three and forty four, and Mike sixty two and
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 5: forty five. So we're almost sixty with the spread. Fred
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 5: and Mike are tied for the top. So Mike pulls
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 5: off the rare trifector of being in last place overall
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 5: and in the first place against the spread fifty eight
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 5: forty six and three, Evan fifty five, forty nine and three,
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 5: and then Alex and I are tied for the basement
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 5: with fifty four fifty in three records. Okay, all right,
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 5: we're all making money, guys.
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, anything can happen, all right. So we start with
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 4: tonight Prime Video eight fifteen. It's the five and one
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 4: Vikings against the two and four Rams.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 5: The Vikings by two and a half at the lar on.
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 6: The Really that still seems kind of a little bit
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 6: low to me, but uh, I gotta go to Minnesota.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 6: I never have a good feel for them. I'm gonna
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 6: take Minnesota lay the points.
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 2: On the road. Yeah, I'm gonna take Minnesota in this
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 2: game as well, and I will take them to cover
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 2: to the Rams. Just a lot going on with the
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 2: Rams right now. Yeah, so I'm gonna go with the Vikings.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Alex also she has given me your picks. Alex
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 5: takes Minnesota both ways. I'm gonna be with the boys.
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna take the Vikings. I do think the lar
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 5: has a chance to be a different team in the
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 5: second half, but they might be sort of beyond that
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 5: point of being able to be relevant this year. I'm
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 5: gonna take the Vikings on the road.
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 4: I am also gonna take the Vikings both ways. Okay,
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 4: we moved to Sunday. There's no international game, so no
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 4: early game.
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 5: We have another Germany game, right that's coming up.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 4: We don't, but the league does.
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah. No, we're not playing in Germany that this year. No,
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 5: no scheduled.
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah there is.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 5: I mean, I know I wasn't allowed to see it
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 5: when came out, but I would have thought by.
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 2: Now, not allowed to know you're not allowed to do
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 2: these days.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 5: Well, that one is actually true. I'm not allowed to
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 5: see the schedule.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 4: They're back in Munich this year. Munich Sunday at one
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 4: on CBS. The five and two Ravens are at the
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 4: one and six.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 5: Browns Baltimore by eight and a half.
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 6: Boy who is Cleveland's quarterback?
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 2: Eat those ws?
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 6: He's so funny, cracks.
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 4: How does he do it like this?
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 2: I'm not a big fan of his.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 6: Just the personality. I just he makes me laugh every
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 6: time I see him with this.
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 4: No, he goes like this and then he eats it.
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he eats the w.
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 6: I'm gonna take Baltimore to win, but you say nine
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 6: and a half?
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 2: Was that what it was?
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 6: Eight and a half. I'm gonna take the points for Cleveland, though,
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 6: I think jameis gonna throw some balls downfield and make
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 6: it a little bit interesting.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 5: Alex takes Baltimore both ways, I do as well.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is gonna be a blow up.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna take Baltimore both ways. But I do worry
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 5: about that Ravens defense. If Cleveland can somehow stay reasonably
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 5: close Nick Chubb, you know, second game back, Maybe he
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 5: can run a little bit, but.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 4: It'll score points running the ball pon, but you keep
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 4: it close.
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 5: I'm talking about the spread. Okay, but I'm gonna I'm
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 5: gonna lay the points.
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, me too, Fox one o'clock one in five Titans
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 4: at the five and one.
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 5: Lions Detroit by eleven.
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 4: Geez, that's a big spread. We got the Titans next week, right,
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 4: we could be looking ahead to us.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely, the Lions. I'm gonna take the Lions at
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 6: home for sure. Is that too many points? I don't
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 6: think it is. I'll lay the eleven.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 5: Yes, Alex agrees with Mike.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna take the Lion. The Titans defense has actually
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 2: been okay, it's their offense that's been deplorable. So I'm
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 2: gonna take the Lions and I'm gonna take the Titans.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 2: That's a big spread. Is I'm gonna take the Titans
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 2: to cover?
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm gonna take Detroit both ways. I think that
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 5: offense is really clicking.
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the sharps are really telling you something here. Eleven
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 4: and a half. Definitely take the Lions both ways here,
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 4: that's what the smart money is going, and Fred is leading.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 4: And then look at the money. Then look at the
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 4: money line too. The money line's not as attractive.
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 6: Tells you all you need to know.
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 5: About. I don't even know what he's talking about.
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 2: I believe it though attractive money.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 4: Lines CBS one o'clock. The four and three Colts are
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 4: at the five and two Texans.
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 5: Houston by five, kicking themselves up to kicking away a
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 5: game last week. Yeah, terrible clock manage.
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 6: I'll take Houston. I'll lay the points.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 2: Fred I'm having a tough time this week because we
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 2: really did not watch a single second of anybody else.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 2: I'd accept the Patriots. So I have no idea what
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 2: happened in the league. Alex Houston, I don't know what
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 2: that's in reference to. I have no clue. I am
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 2: going to take the Texans in this game. Yeah, give
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 2: me the Texans. I think they take care of business.
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm going to take Texans, and I'll lay the
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 5: points to folks.
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 4: This is this is where the feel for the league
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 4: comes in. I'm tempted to take the Texans both ways,
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 4: but I won't. But I will say that the Colts
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 4: will cover. Remember remember that this is a divisional game
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 4: and these two teams they know each other. So I'm
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 4: looking at the Colts to cover, to cover that spread,
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 4: and that's your underdog point spread. Lock of the week.
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 5: A lot of qualifiers there.
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 4: The greatest sideline coach in the modern era. One o'clock
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 4: on Fox. It's the five and two Packers against the
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 4: two and five Jaguars coming off. You know this, I
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 4: think the Jaguars wrote the blueprint on the Patriots.
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah, green Bay by three and a half.
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 6: Three and a half. I went against green Bay last week.
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 6: They may pay. I like green Bay's offense. I think
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 6: they get on track against Jacksonville and I will lay
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 6: the points.
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 5: Alex will as well, go back go, So I will
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 5: take the Packers, but I will take the hook. Green
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 5: Bay will win, but I'll take the three and a half.
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 4: Really, yeah, the hook? You have that much confidence in
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 4: the Jaguars.
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 5: No, I don't think the Packers are all that really, No,
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 5: I don't see I've been underrested. The defense has been
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 5: pretty good.
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I've been underrestumating the Packers all season. I'm gonna
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 4: say I'm sorry this week and I'm gonna take the
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 4: Packers both ways on the Road's.
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 2: Loss for me too late.
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 5: Every time I've been on an island, I.
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 4: Lose Fox at one. The three and four Cardinals are
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 4: at the two and four.
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 5: Dolphins Miami by three and a half, with Tua on track.
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 6: To be back this for this game.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 2: But should he play Paul?
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 5: I really, I think it's irresponsibility and I don't know
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 5: about but I will not be able to watch that
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 5: in good conscience.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 2: He's not even gonna wear they It makes me uncomfortable.
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 6: I'm gonna take little Kyler Murray on the road. I'm
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 6: gonna take.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 5: Those points, taking Miami to win.
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 6: No, I'm gonna take sorry, did you say Arizona's favorite?
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 5: No, Miami's favorite?
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I want the points for Arizona.
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 5: Wait a minute, So who's winning the game?
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 4: Arizona Arizona Miami's favorite in this game three and a half.
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 5: How they're at home and they have to home and
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 5: back and Arizona staks. I mean, there's a lot of
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 5: a lot of factors involved here.
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 4: It's my episode pick of the week.
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 2: This is a tough one.
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 5: Alex takes Miami to win in Arizona to cover.
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 2: I usually like the home team with the road team
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 2: is coming from the West coast, you know, ten o'clock
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 2: body clock. Sure, so that's what I'm gonna go with.
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 2: But I do think that the Cardinals were a little
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 2: feisty last week. But I'm gonna go with the Dolphins
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 2: both ways. You know what, I'll take the Cardinals taking
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 2: the point, Dolphins by field goal.
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah. I think that Miami is putting a lot into
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 5: this game. It's kind of do or die for them.
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 5: You know, their quarterback is back. They need to win
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 5: the game. They need to look good offensively. I'm gonna
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 5: lay the points. Gonna take the Dolphins both ways.
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm gonna take Cardinals road ups.
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 5: They are all over the board in this game. Dog
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 5: upset two, Arizona's out right, one two split it down
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 5: the middle, and one Miami out right.
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I still take the Cardinals in this game. Their
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 4: offense isn't what I thought it was going to be,
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 4: but I think they get back on track this week
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 4: one o'clock on Fox, the four and three Falcons are
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 4: at the four and three Buccaneers.
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 5: Let Baker bake Atlanta by two and a half.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 2: Baker Bacon to the other team is what he's been Bacon.
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm an interception records Bacon.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm gonna ride the roller coaster though. I'm gonna
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 6: take Tampa at home. Lay the points.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 5: You're getting points Atlanta both ways.
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 6: For Alex Oh said Atlanta's favorite.
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 5: Atlanta's favored by two and a half.
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 4: Sorry, thank you.
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 2: I took Atlanta last week, I believe, and they did
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 2: me dirty. No pun intended Minnesota. So I'm gonna take
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 2: the Bucks at home.
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 5: So I'm going to take Atlanta. Just too many injuries
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 5: for the Bucks, all those receivers. I think Baker's gonna
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 5: have a hard time Bacon.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 2: That's true. That's a good point.
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 4: Paul is correct.
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 2: He is correct, falcon Ga.
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 5: About all the injury Would you really like to change your.
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 4: One o'clock On CBS, the four and two Eagles are
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 4: at the three and four Bengals.
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 5: Cincinnati by two, baby, It's same game, good game game
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 5: on the one o'clock slate.
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 6: I'm gonna take Cincy. Take Cincinnati, lay the points.
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 5: Alex will as well.
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 2: I don't take Philly in this game. And I still
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 2: just don't really feel like the Bengals are are right.
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 2: I don't know something weird about that.
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 5: I think both of these teams are like in that category.
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 5: I have the no idea what they exactly are. They
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 5: look really good at times. I'm going to take the
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 5: Bengals at home.
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 4: But yeah, I'm going to take the Eagles just because
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 4: in this.
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 5: Game, I think we know what that because is.
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 4: Yep. And now we skip over the Patriots at one o'clock,
• 1:50:54
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• 1:51:18
  Speaker 4: we skipped over the Patriots at one o'clock. We're moving
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 4: to four oh five on Fox. The two and five
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 4: Saints are at the three and three Chargers the.
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 5: Black by seven.
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 6: Oh god, I got no idea on his what this game?
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 6: This is a tough pick.
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 5: You know. The Saints are like decimated.
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I know, that's why the spreads so bad.
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 6: I know I'm gonna take the Chargers, but I'm gonna
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 6: take those points for the or else.
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 5: Alex is taking the lack both ways.
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna do the same thing as dudes. I'm gonna
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 2: take the Chargers, but I'm gonna take the Saints to cover.
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 2: I did the Chargers last week. I actually watched a
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 2: little bit of that game, and they are not They're
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 2: kind of a disaster too.
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 5: So how do you like, I didn't see one play
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 5: of that game. This is like the danger of what
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 5: Fred's talking about when you just read the box. How
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 5: do they throw for like three hundred yards and not
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 5: score any points?
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 2: It was it was just one of those games where like,
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 2: you know, they just keep on shooting themselves in the
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 2: foot in scoring territory and you know, just doing weird stuff.
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 2: They kick like six field goals. I want to say
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 2: five or six field goals.
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 5: It was it was fumbled at the goal line.
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Rager fumbled at the goal line.
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 5: Like I want to take the Chargers both ways, but
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 5: I kind of agree with Evan and Mike. I just
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 5: they haven't scored, so I don't like laying a touchdown.
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 5: I'll take the Chargers to win, but I'll take the points.
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 5: And it was seven even seven.
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so the stops are telling you something there by
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 4: not giving you a hook. True, So seven even they're
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 4: they're very confident that the Chargers are going to cover
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 4: this game. They don't feel they need to give that
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 4: half to take people off the ledge. So this is chalk.
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 2: There you go.
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 4: This is chalk charges both ways. Four h five on Fox,
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 4: the five and two Bills are at the four and
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 4: three Seahawks.
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 2: At five and two.
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 5: Oh I saw it Buffalo by.
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 4: Three by three.
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 6: Something still off to me about them. I'm gonna takes
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 6: Seattle at home and I'm gonna get them some points
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 6: there as a home dog.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 5: Alex takes Buffalo both ways.
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 2: I can't get Seattle right every I feel like I'm
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 2: wrong on them every single week. Probably gonna be wrong
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 2: with them again, but I'm sticking with Josh Allen. I'll
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 2: go at the Bills both ways.
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 17: Yeah.
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 5: I am the same with with Seattle every time I think,
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 5: well they they are who we thought they were and
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 5: win a game in Atlanta, like yeah, last week, I'm
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 5: gonna take I'm gonna take Buffalo. I don't think it'll
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 5: be an easy game for them in Seattle. Tough place
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 5: to play, but I will take the Bills.
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, this is my Pella pick of the week. Seahawks
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 4: get us very good.
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 5: I might be the only one who got it, but
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 5: that was good.
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 4: Seahawks get a season defining win at home, they beat the.
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 2: Bills City say Capella, Pella.
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 4: Pella, windows close, get it, Anderson.
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 5: It would have been better if you said Anderson lock
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 5: of the week, But.
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 4: Nolla pella pick.
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 2: I'm guy myself.
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 4: I thinking of Anders.
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 5: So you know, Mike rolled his eyes to you. He's
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 5: too nice to do it while you're looking.
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 4: That's right, Yeah, yes, I would never. I would never
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 4: Seahawks pull off the big one.
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 24: Uh.
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 4: You know, the window has to start closing eventually, so
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 4: I got to start picking against them.
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 4: Four CBS, the four and two Bears are at the
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 4: five and two Commanders.
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 5: Chicago by three.
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 2: No Jayden dan sounding like Marcus Mariota, which.
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 5: Kind of stinks. You want to see the man top two.
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 4: They looked at the schedule. I want to get this matchup,
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 4: and then they don't get it.
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 6: I'll take Chicago fread three. I'll take Chicago.
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 5: Alex takes Washington both ways, I'm.
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 2: Going to take Chicago both ways as well. I don't
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 2: have any faith in that offense without Jayden Daniels for Washington.
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and I don't know because I haven't seen much
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 5: of the Bears, but I've been told being told the
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 5: Bears defense has actually played pretty well, so I think
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 5: going against the backup quarterback, I'll take Chicago as well.
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 4: So here's what happens in Washington. Oh boy, Before the game,
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 4: Jayden Daniels comes and does a team meeting, and he says,
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 4: they're all saying it's because of a rookie quarterback. But
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 4: I'm telling you it ain't me, it's you. You guys
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 4: are gonna win this game without me. And they come
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 4: and they play well and they beat the Bears.
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 6: I got chills right there. I got chills.
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah, me, it's you. I invented It's not you, it's.
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 6: Me, all right.
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 4: So now we go to four twenty five CBS. The
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 4: one and six Panthers are at the four and three Broncos.
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 4: Where are they playing at home? It's unbelievable, you have,
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 4: I mean, how the league has gotten away with this
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 4: for thirty years. It's unbelievable.
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 17: You know.
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 5: The worst thing is it's Fred's favorite team too. The
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 5: Broncos used to be geez.
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 6: I'll take it to Denver. I'm gonna have to lay
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 6: those Oh Bryce Young, by the way, yeah, yeah, now
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 6: I'm gonna lay the points Denver. That's a big spread.
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 5: Alex takes Denver, but she's taking the nine and a half.
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna do the same thing. Bryce Young has an
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 2: okay game for the Panthers in this one. I think
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 2: you heard it here first. Nothing special, just okay.
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna take Denver both ways. That I just can't
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 5: pick the Panthers right even.
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, No, you take the Broncos to win this game,
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 4: but you take those points, those nine and a half points.
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 4: That hook is the difference.
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 5: Brings you back, Yeah, brings you back.
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 4: Mike Cbs, the six and oh Chiefs the only undefeated
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 4: team left, and the two and five Raiders.
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 5: Kansas City by nine and a half.
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 6: Shoes, I'm definitely picking Kansas City. Yeah, I'm not. I'm
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 6: not messing with those points. I'll lay them.
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 5: Alex is Kansas City both ways.
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I got the same thing, Kansas City both ways.
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm gonna be with the with you guys.
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 4: Casey Chiefs moved to seven and oh.
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 5: No division game doesn't matter anymore, Okay, moving.
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 4: On, it's sometimes it does. It's about the feel.
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 5: Moving on, It's about the feel for the league.
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 4: Eight thirty on Sunday night, and be sure Telemundo and
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 4: Universo m Peacock, the n Peacock. The three and three
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 4: Cowboys are at the three and four forty nine.
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 5: Ers San Francisco by foe.
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 2: That's its price.
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 6: Oh boy, I don't know. Didn't like, didn't like what
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 6: I saw from San Francis.
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 5: Job coaching for a job.
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 6: They're up against it. I'm gonna say they bounce back.
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 6: I'll take San fran later points.
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 5: Alex takes San Francisco both ways.
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 4: This is a tough one.
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna I'm gonna can ever make a pick?
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 4: Oh sorry, that's it? Yeah, go ahead and then me okay,
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 4: go ahead, okay. Evan wanted me to say what I
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 4: was gonna do so that he could copy me.
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 2: That's true. It's a good point, so true. I'm gonna
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 2: go forty nine ers both ways. I'm surprised that it's
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 2: only four.
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the Dallas defense with all those guys out, Yeah,
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 5: San Francisco both ways.
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 4: No, I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna take those points, Paul, Okay,
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 4: take those points.
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 5: That's where you're leading the way.
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 4: I love it when the Cowboys lose, and they will,
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 4: but they're gonna cover the spread.
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 5: Okay, I'm gonna say if they cover the spread, they
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 5: went out.
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 4: Right, Okay, if it's possible, I was thinking of taking
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 4: them out right.
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 5: I don't think.
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it sounds like the forty nine ers are like
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 4: on a hot streak either.
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 5: No Monday Night eight.
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 4: Fifteen ESPN, ABC, ESPN two, ESPN Plus and ESPN Deportes. Uhcock, No,
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 4: it's sea not this time what. I'm glad they're not
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 4: doing the double header. I don't like the double header anymore.
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 4: If you're gonna do a double header, start one at
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 4: seven and then the other one at eight thirty, not
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 4: nine to fifteen. Remember the old Monday night football first
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 4: start o'clock. They start at nine to fifteen. The kickoff.
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 2: Too late, got gret l Well.
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 5: I just don't like it. Last week when they put
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 5: the game on the SPN Plus, you can't click back and.
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 2: Forth, right, I knew that was CONN Right now.
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 5: When you have the double header, like the beauty of
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 5: that is I can watch them both back. But now
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 5: if I have to pick one of the games, if
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 5: you're going to put one on a.
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 6: Platform, I totally understood this was America.
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 5: I thought this was America. Too many Pittsburgh by six
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 5: and a half.
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 4: Two and five Giants at the five and two Steelers,
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 4: Pittsburgh by six.
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 2: Such a fun game to Russ Cook.
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 6: Give me this.
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 5: Let's see how many moon balls rusk and throw that
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 5: hit the Jets first and ended up in George Pickens's hands.
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 6: I'll take it.
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 2: That's a good player, though, George Pickens.
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 5: Pittsburgh both ways. Alex is with Mike.
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 2: I am as well. I feel like this is a
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 2: game that Daniel Jones against the Steelers defense is like
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 2: deer in headlights. So I'm taking Steelers, Danielle.
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm gonna I don't know why I'm gonna take
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 5: Pittsburgh to win the game, but I'll take the points.
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 5: I really have no rational explanation as to why. Just
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 5: want of Fred Kersh's feels.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm gonna take I'm gonna take Pittsburgh both ways
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  Speaker 4: in this game. All right. Now we move back to
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  Speaker 4: Sunday at one on CBS. The two and five Jets
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  Speaker 4: at the one and six Patriots.
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  Speaker 6: Jets by seven, Jets by seven. Yeah, hard to pick
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  Speaker 6: the Patriots after that performance last week. I'm gonna have
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  Speaker 6: to do it. I'm gonna have to pick the Jets. Unfortunately,
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  Speaker 6: I'll take them thirty to twenty.
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  Speaker 5: Alex picks the Jets both ways.
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  Speaker 2: I'm also gonna take the Jets. I think that what
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  Speaker 2: scares me more, honestly, is Rogers and the offense against
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  Speaker 2: the Patriots defense. I think that the Patriots offense will
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  Speaker 2: have some moments in this game with Drake may So
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  Speaker 2: it was twenty four to three last time. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: say twenty four to fourteen this time. Jets.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I'm I'm with the boys. I think
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  Speaker 5: there's a huge talent discrepancy here, even if the Jets
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  Speaker 5: are missing a lot of those pieces they were missing
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  Speaker 5: last week. On defense, I think they'll have enough, and
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  Speaker 5: I don't like what I've seen from the defense. I
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  Speaker 5: think Evan's right, you know. I think Aaron Rodgers will
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  Speaker 5: be able to throw it, and I think they'll be
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  Speaker 5: able to run it once they established the lead. I'm
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  Speaker 5: going to go twenty seven sixteen Jets.
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  Speaker 4: The future on Mayo, do you put a call into
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  Speaker 4: Robert Sala this week and say, hey, any he.
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  Speaker 2: Actually is in an advisor role now with a different team.
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  Speaker 2: Oh is he so?
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  Speaker 4: Okay? I guess he can't do that.
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  Speaker 2: I can't remember off the top of my head which team.
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  Speaker 4: It is, but I'm at Green Bay, wasn't.
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  Speaker 2: He might have been green San Francisco, right, I think
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  Speaker 2: it's Green Bank.
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  Speaker 5: He came from San Francisco.
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  Speaker 4: No, I know, but he was seen at the Green
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  Speaker 4: Bay practice. Okay, So six and a hey you say seven? Seven? Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: Patriots don't win the game, but they cover thirty to
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  Speaker 4: twenty four. So we come out of this game st
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  Speaker 4: excited about Drake May So, so there you go. All right,
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