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Halloween Week: The Hands Resist Him - Haunted Painting · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Ladies, gentlemen, days and dams. Welcome back to Halloween Week
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  Speaker 1: with Wicked and Grim. My name is Jacko, and I
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  Speaker 1: will be your master of ceremonies for the next six days. Yesterday,
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  Speaker 1: on the first day of Halloween Week this year, you
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  Speaker 1: heard all about the man with a thousand faces, Jamie,
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  Speaker 1: Oh sooner. Jamie was a man of cold hearted killings
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  Speaker 1: without an ounce of remorse. But today your hosts of.
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  Speaker 2: Wicked and Grim have something a little bit different planned,
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  Speaker 2: and in preparation they have asked me to read you
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  Speaker 2: a poem. So without further ado, let's begin. He is
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  Speaker 2: of the sea visions, his strokes reveal them in a
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  Speaker 2: rush of color, of madness, of mystics, and his head
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  Speaker 2: is the highest center it must confront its enemy. The
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  Speaker 2: hands resist him like the secret of his birth. His
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  Speaker 2: presence is the sanctum heartbeat felt in darkness and in passion.
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  Speaker 2: Its sound the soul of gift to that silence. And
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  Speaker 2: now your.
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  Speaker 1: Hosts introducing Ben and Nichole.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks jack O.
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  Speaker 4: My name is Ben and I'm Nicole, and you're listening
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  Speaker 4: to Halloween Week Wicked.
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  Speaker 3: And Grim, a true crime podcast. We should make it
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  Speaker 3: a goal to say it slightly different every time because
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  Speaker 3: that was different than we set up yesterday.
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  Speaker 4: Ole achieved, Gole achieved. Ready, we're going and then this
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  Speaker 4: is something else?
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  Speaker 3: Ready okay, yes, three, you're not ready?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, I'm ready?
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  Speaker 3: Okay three? Two? One?
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: I think that was like two units and it only
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  Speaker 3: sounded like one was opening.
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  Speaker 4: That's amazing. The real reason we're doing Halloween Week so
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  Speaker 4: we have a drink every not of the week.
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  Speaker 3: I fucking do that anyways.
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  Speaker 4: No guilt, Just you don't do that?
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  Speaker 3: Wow?
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  Speaker 4: No, not every night, but.
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  Speaker 3: The times I do, I don't have guilt.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, you know, well it's just a regular old week
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  Speaker 4: for Ben here.
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  Speaker 3: I don't need a reason, is what I'm saying. But yeah,
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  Speaker 3: Halloween Week day two boom so yesterday Jamie Osuna, Yes,
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  Speaker 3: what a wild run.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. I didn't really enjoy that one. Not gonna lie. No,
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  Speaker 4: I didn't enjoy it that much.
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  Speaker 3: Wow, Well, how about you're gonna enjoy this one because
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  Speaker 3: fun fact, this is our one hundredth episode.
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  Speaker 4: Forgot I had forgotten. I had forgotten fucking forgot. Mofo
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  Speaker 4: mo what that I was gonna actually swear what I
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  Speaker 4: was like? No, Okay, Anyways, that's freaking amazing.
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  Speaker 3: You made it one hundred episodes. Holy So to be fair, though,
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  Speaker 3: there is I believe only one other episode out there
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  Speaker 3: that's not considered a technical episode. It was the Elevator Game,
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  Speaker 3: and we're gonna be releasing another one this Halloween Week
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  Speaker 3: that's not technically considered an episode.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, so other than that one, every single one and
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  Speaker 4: it's been an episode here.
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  Speaker 3: I believe there might be another one in there I'm
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  Speaker 3: not thinking of, but today is our official hundredth episode.
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  Speaker 3: There might be some others mixed in that aren't considered episodes.
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  Speaker 3: That makes sense.
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  Speaker 4: Definitely a reason to have a frigging drink. That's a
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  Speaker 4: celebration and a half.
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  Speaker 3: I agree, like, Wow, Halloween Week, epic friends, cool people listening.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm being consistent with something. Actually, we're pretty consistent
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  Speaker 4: with most shit we try to be. Yeah, but that's
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  Speaker 4: so cool. That's wild. We're legit. I feel like we
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  Speaker 4: made it.
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  Speaker 3: Too legit, too legiti.
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  Speaker 4: Quit what we made it?
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  Speaker 3: We did, and we made it mostly because of you
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  Speaker 3: guys sticking around listening to us, so epic.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you to all of you out there that listen
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  Speaker 4: to us. Are freaking amazing. I think they're so good.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and quick shout out to our patrons, thank you
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  Speaker 3: as well. We're not going to be shouting you guys
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  Speaker 3: out who join up this week every single episode, so
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  Speaker 3: whoever joins up throughout this week, we will be shouting
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  Speaker 3: you all out. On Halloween Day, it was the last
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  Speaker 3: day of Halloween week. There we go, just to let
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  Speaker 3: you know that one.
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  Speaker 4: And we had some merch drop today, which is very
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  Speaker 4: or yes, I guess this would be yesterday.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, yesterday, yes, yeah, and as of so it'll be
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  Speaker 3: today as you're listening to it. Another cool thing is
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  Speaker 3: dropping on patron our Patreon for our patrons to listen to.
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  Speaker 3: It's gonna be Jacko doing a creepy pasta reading nice
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  Speaker 3: and to find out exactly what creepy pasta it is. Uh,
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  Speaker 3: we're going to leave that for patrons to find out.
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  Speaker 4: So, and that's very cool. Jacko is just the freaking spotlight.
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  Speaker 4: We're just like, I don't know, I was going to.
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  Speaker 3: Say, you're gesturing.
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  Speaker 4: I'm gesturing to like him just being almighty, and we're
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  Speaker 4: just us. He's Jacko's he's the what did you say,
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  Speaker 4: the man myth, the legend. That's there, you go. That's
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  Speaker 4: a good way to describe Jacko.
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  Speaker 3: I agree. I think we should just get into this,
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  Speaker 3: though we shouldn't chat too much more. We've already yabbered
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  Speaker 3: here for a few minutes.
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  Speaker 4: Let's do it.
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  Speaker 3: Do you want to get into this?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, Well, Jacko did a reading of a poem which
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  Speaker 3: is going to become relevant a little bit later on.
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  Speaker 3: Don't worry, it's not necessary if you remember every ounce
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  Speaker 3: of that poem, just a heads up, but it does
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  Speaker 3: fall into the story slightly. So today we are talking
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  Speaker 3: about the paranormal. We're talking about the world's or arguably
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  Speaker 3: one of the world's most haunted paintings. Oh wow, the
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  Speaker 3: hands resist him. So. Haunted objects with spirits attached and
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  Speaker 3: paranormal activity has captivated human stories throughout history, especially when
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  Speaker 3: we discuss an object with human resemblance, such as dolls
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  Speaker 3: that may come alive and move around your house at
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  Speaker 3: night creepy right with their host spirit usually like using
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  Speaker 3: that tiny body as a little yeah, or in this
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  Speaker 3: case a painting, where their eyes may seem to follow
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  Speaker 3: you as you walk down a dimly lit hallway, or
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  Speaker 3: even move on their own free will.
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  Speaker 4: I would prefer that over the doll you.
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  Speaker 3: Would haunted painting. Sure, Well, like I said, this is
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  Speaker 3: our hub believe, one of the world's most haunted paintings.
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  Speaker 3: So let's get into it.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe I'll change my mind at the end once I
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  Speaker 4: hear more about it.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe before you get into the painting itself, though, we
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  Speaker 3: need to discuss the details about the artist behind the painting, okay.
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  Speaker 3: William Stoneham now William, was born in nineteen forty seven
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  Speaker 3: in Boston, Massachusetts, of of course, USA, and unfortunately, he
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  Speaker 3: was immediately an orphan. Not much is known about his
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  Speaker 3: or not much was known about his parents at the time,
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  Speaker 3: except his mother's maiden name was Miller. Other than that,
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  Speaker 3: William was on his own and spent the first nine
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  Speaker 3: months of his life in an orphanage before being adopted
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  Speaker 3: and taking into a family with the last name Stoneham. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: later in life, in twenty eleven, William would take on
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  Speaker 3: the endeavor to search through his and find his birth parents,
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  Speaker 3: and he received a copy of his birth certificate which
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  Speaker 3: kind of led him to their names. He found siblings
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  Speaker 3: and gang connecting again with his family. So that's that's
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  Speaker 3: kind of nice.
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  Speaker 4: To know that family that adopted him was a good family. Yes, Okay,
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  Speaker 4: that's good, really good.
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  Speaker 3: And by this time William was already an established artist
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  Speaker 3: who continued to use it, who continues to use his
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  Speaker 3: skill in different media types and mediums such as going
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  Speaker 3: on through like video games and actual painting and stuff
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  Speaker 3: everywhere in between. He's got a lot of different skill
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  Speaker 3: set when it comes to art.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, so he's still alive then.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, he is awesome. So in his early years, heading
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  Speaker 3: back into the nineteen seventies, William was working on a
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  Speaker 3: painting contract from Charles I'm going to try and say
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  Speaker 3: this name Fine Garden Galleries.
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  Speaker 4: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: Now, he was already very skilled in his craft by
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  Speaker 3: this time, and he was being assigned to paint two
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  Speaker 3: paintings per month for two hundred dollars each. So four
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  Speaker 3: hundred dollars in nineteen seventy two.
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  Speaker 4: I know, at first, I'm like, well that's not very much,
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  Speaker 4: but yeah, that's quite a long time ago.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a good chunk of change for them,
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  Speaker 3: that's for sure. He's making a good army for especially
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  Speaker 3: because you know the term starving.
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  Speaker 4: Artist well, and he's also able to do what he
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  Speaker 4: loves a.
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  Speaker 3: Hundred percent awesome, totally a good thing. He's rocking it.
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  Speaker 3: So during this time, William would often be in search
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  Speaker 3: for inspiration for his paintings and his surroundings, looking for compositions, subjects, locations,
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  Speaker 3: the whole nine yards, and as an artist, inspiration can
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  Speaker 3: often strike from the most unsuspecting places. So the inspiration
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  Speaker 3: for the painting that he titled The Hands Resist Him
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  Speaker 3: came from two different places. First was an old photograph. Now,
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  Speaker 3: the picture was of William himself when he was only
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  Speaker 3: five years old at a tiny apartment where his grandma
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  Speaker 3: lived in Chicago. Now, the picture shows William standing next
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  Speaker 3: to another little girl outside the apartment, and stories vary
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  Speaker 3: on exactly who this little girl was, but mostly surrounding
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  Speaker 3: each other. They were just kind of like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: friends sort of thing. They're while he's there with his
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  Speaker 3: grandma staying in the the play a little bit okay,
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  Speaker 3: But she was a significant amount younger than him. She
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  Speaker 3: looked like she might be like three or something like that,
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  Speaker 3: and he's five.
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  Speaker 4: Cute.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, So regardless, William uses photo as a reference and
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  Speaker 3: himself and the little girl were going to be subjects
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  Speaker 3: in his painting. Now, the second inspiration came from a poem,
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  Speaker 3: the poem that Jacko read earlier, and it came from
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  Speaker 3: William's first wife Rohan Posenti possetti pon Seti, There we go,
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  Speaker 3: pon Setti.
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  Speaker 4: There you go.
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  Speaker 3: And it was written in nineteen seventy one. And that
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  Speaker 3: poem helped spark mostly the title of this painting.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, And the poem was written by his wife.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, okay, So there was a third inspiration for this painting. Oh,
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  Speaker 3: it's kind of like an unsub or sorry, a subconscious
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  Speaker 3: inspiration that William would later discuss as well. Now, this
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  Speaker 3: was from Carl Jung, who was a Swiss psychiatrist in
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  Speaker 3: psycho and and I can't talk today. I gotta take
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  Speaker 3: a drink of beauty or.
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  Speaker 4: Something that will definitely help your situation, right, loosen the time. Okay. Well,
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  Speaker 4: this guy's name is Carl, so I'm expecting him to
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  Speaker 4: be not cool. No, he's fine, Okay.
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  Speaker 3: So he was a psychiatrist and psychoanalytist. He founded analytical psychology. Now,
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  Speaker 3: Carl had this theory that the collective unconscious, sorry of
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  Speaker 3: the collective unconscious. This is the idea that states humans
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  Speaker 3: are born with a collective knowledge inherited so from the
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  Speaker 3: past collective experience of humanity, which leads them to hold
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  Speaker 3: a number of deep seated beliefs and instincts, such a spirituality,
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  Speaker 3: sexual behavior of life and death instincts, that sort of stuff.
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  Speaker 4: That's interesting.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so this theory was also kind of part of
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  Speaker 3: it as well.
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  Speaker 4: The inspiration for the painting, Yes, okay.
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  Speaker 3: It's kind of the third unspoken inspiration. So between these
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  Speaker 3: three inspirations, William began to take his first brushstrokes on
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  Speaker 3: a thirty six inch by twenty four inch canvas with
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  Speaker 3: oil paints.
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  Speaker 4: It's a big canvas.
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  Speaker 3: It's a good size.
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  Speaker 4: It's a good size, good size.
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  Speaker 3: So the result of the painting show a haunting image.
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  Speaker 3: So the image is of a boy that originally was
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  Speaker 3: him and now stood with pain and gauntly eyes, staring straightforward.
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  Speaker 3: And the little girl wasn't so much a little girl anymore.
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  Speaker 3: In fact, she was depicted as more of a life
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  Speaker 3: size doll instead, with the articulated figuring joints of the
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  Speaker 3: time and empty hollow eyes as she stared towards the boy.
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  Speaker 3: In the painting in her hands, a little girl or
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  Speaker 3: doll appears to be holding a dry cell battery, which
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  Speaker 3: is reminiscent of batteries William used to use in some
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  Speaker 3: of his toys and stuff at the time. Both of
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  Speaker 3: the figures appear standing in front of a large glass door,
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  Speaker 3: one you would kind of expect from like a greenhouse
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  Speaker 3: or a screened in summer patio sort of thing. Now,
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  Speaker 3: the most unsettling part of this painting is what lay
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  Speaker 3: behind that glass door. Okay, there are multiple hands reaching
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  Speaker 3: and grasping towards the two standing on oursels. That's creepy,
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  Speaker 3: protruding from the dark depths of what lay behind the door.
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  Speaker 3: That's all you see, blackness and darkness with hands reaching
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  Speaker 3: forward but being held back by the glass.
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  Speaker 4: That's almost like zombie like your zombies or something stuck
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  Speaker 4: in there.
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  Speaker 3: Kind of almost.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what came to my mind.
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  Speaker 3: Kind of got that feel for sure. But yet both
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  Speaker 3: the figures in front of the door standing there unfazed by.
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  Speaker 4: What's occurring behind them.
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  Speaker 3: So, in William's own words of an explanation of the
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  Speaker 3: composition between everything that's happening in the painting, he had
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  Speaker 3: this to say. The hands are quote the other lives,
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  Speaker 3: the glass door, that thin veil between waking and dreaming.
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  Speaker 3: The girl or doll is the imagined companion or guide
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  Speaker 3: through this realm. So that's an eerie description to say
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  Speaker 3: the least. But at the same time, it's slightly comforting
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  Speaker 3: if you think about it as well, if you think
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  Speaker 3: about it in a non threatening light, if you simply
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  Speaker 3: think and just trust the quote guide the girl or
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  Speaker 3: the doll, then it's almost comforting, like she's a guide
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  Speaker 3: taking you into the dream world.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, and yeah, and it doesn't necessarily mean those hands
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  Speaker 4: on the window are like I went zombie kind of style,
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  Speaker 4: but like they could not Maybe they're not threatening.
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  Speaker 3: Well that's kind of the idea in his mind. But
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  Speaker 3: if you if you look at the fucking painting, it's
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  Speaker 3: creepy as shit.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's probably not some man hay in my house.
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  Speaker 3: Well I would because it's a cool ass hop painting.
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  Speaker 3: And then as soon as any paranormal activity I'm burning
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  Speaker 3: that is that?
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  Speaker 4: Is that what we're getting next? That's creepy in our
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  Speaker 4: tiny home.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe maybe we should do it now. We don't have
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  Speaker 3: the money to buy this painting.
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  Speaker 4: Oh really, we'll get into that.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, we'll get into it later, don't worry.
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  Speaker 4: So.
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  Speaker 3: Williams completed this painting in nineteen seventy two and it
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  Speaker 3: was initially displayed at the Fine Garden Gallery in Beverly Hills,
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  Speaker 3: California now during during the early nineteen seventies. As per
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  Speaker 3: his contract, it would be displayed and it was all
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  Speaker 3: for a one man show that his gallery would end
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  Speaker 3: up being in and the painting itself during the show
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  Speaker 3: got reviewed by a critic named Henry I. Hope. I
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  Speaker 3: said that last name right, cells or sides, not sure anyways.
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  Speaker 3: Henry was an art critic for the Los Angeles Times,
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  Speaker 3: and he had this to write about his work.
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  Speaker 4: It good or bad.
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  Speaker 3: Williams stoneheands paintings are at their best when at their weirdest.
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  Speaker 3: In those instances, the young artist comes close to inventing
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  Speaker 3: the first truly non surrealist painting I have encountered to
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  Speaker 3: date that extends the Surrealist fantasies into the contemporary realm.
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  Speaker 3: The best works here deserve the attention of collectors devoted
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  Speaker 3: to traditional Surrealism without objecting to a good many new
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  Speaker 3: and startling twists. It's a good review, definitely is.
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  Speaker 4: It's awesome. I would be ecstatic for well yes, astually
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  Speaker 4: from someone that's coming from, like you said, Los Angeles Times.
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  Speaker 3: Eh, yeah, exactly, it's a big deal. And I'm sure
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  Speaker 3: it's a review that William would be happy or was
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  Speaker 3: happy to hear too, like a guarantee. Now, a person
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  Speaker 3: would end up purchasing a painting on display during this gallery.
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  Speaker 3: In fact, it was the only person to purchase a
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  Speaker 3: painting during this gallery. And in fact, the painting he
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  Speaker 3: purchased was the Hands. So that person was actor John Marley.
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  Speaker 3: This was the individual to buy the piece. And John
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  Speaker 3: is most notable for his role as Jack Woltz in
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  Speaker 3: The Godfather. He was the guy in the movie who
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  Speaker 3: woke up in bed next to a decapitated horsehead, so
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  Speaker 3: classic scene. That was the guy who bought this painting.
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  Speaker 3: But after John purchased the painting, that's where things get weird.
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  Speaker 4: I'm also curious why no one else's painting was bought
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  Speaker 4: at this gallery.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: It sucks, yeah, but I mean one was purchased. He
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  Speaker 3: got paid to make the artwork wardless.
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  Speaker 4: Right Oh like okay, it was all his work, right?
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  Speaker 4: You mentioned that, didn't you? Yeah, Okay, sorry I didn't.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't catch that No, he.
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  Speaker 3: Was on a contract to paint all these paintings. He
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  Speaker 3: painted for at least I think it was two year contract.
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  Speaker 3: So he painted two paintings per month for four hundred
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  Speaker 3: dollars per month for two.
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  Speaker 4: Years, okay. And this is the one that got purchased.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, And then there was this gallery done up of
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  Speaker 3: all his work, and this is the one that was sold.
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  Speaker 4: From that sho But maybe there's reasons why this was
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  Speaker 4: the only one.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe. So after John had purchased the painting, like I said,
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  Speaker 3: things get weird. So it was only a few years
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  Speaker 3: after the painting was sold the art critic Henry's Sides
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  Speaker 3: passed away, Then the gallery owner passed away, and then
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  Speaker 3: in nineteen eighty four, the owner of the painting, John Marley,
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  Speaker 3: passed away, okay, And then from there the painting seemed
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  Speaker 3: to disappear. It was gone. No one knew what happened
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  Speaker 3: to it. It may have been sold or donated by
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  Speaker 3: John for who knows what reasons, but it wasn't in
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  Speaker 3: his possessions anymore.
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  Speaker 4: It was gone, just nowhere to be seen, nowhere.
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  Speaker 3: To be seen. Nineteen eighty four, people were looking for
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: it and his possessions it's just not there.
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: It's curious that people were even looking for this.
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, it's not necessarily that they were looking
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: for it. It's just like, oh, where'd that painting go?
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: I don't know, and no one ever saw it again
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: sort of thing, you know. Yeah, So for years of
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: mystery of where it did end up kind of continued,
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: and it seemed like no one would ever know until
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: the year two thousand when it appeared on eBay.
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: Holy shit, that's so random. That's like a freaking sixteen years.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it's a bit of a get let's put
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: it that way. Yeah, And according to the eBay listing,
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: the painting was found out back of an old brewery
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: by a couple in California.
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: Hey, that's so random.
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was, uh, no one knows how it got there.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: I go out there and why. It was just kind
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: of almost like discarded at the back of an old brewery.
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: Just got chilling there. But maybe that's where it shouldn't
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: just stay chilling.
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: Maybe who knows, because yeah.
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: I don't know the fact that those three people died,
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: I mean, I'm gonna hear more here, but I'm like,
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: I don't think those are related.
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: At this point, they very well may not be so. Anyways,
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: the listing on eBay continued and said that they were
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: trying to sell it because the painting was either haunted
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: or cursed.
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: Okay, so that's why it was probably outside like or
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: I don't know if it's necessarily outside, but just like
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: oh by eck.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So, according to them, the painting carried some form
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: of curse, and a disclaimer was included with the listing,
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: absolving the sellers from all liability if anyone purchased the painting.
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, it's actually kind of funny.
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: They claimed that two figures in the painting would move
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: during the night, shit a little boy in the little
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: girl doll thing, and on some occasions they would apparently
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: even leave the painting and enter the room where the
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: painting was hanging.
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: Okay, that's creepy, but I just have to say interesting.
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: I would run for the hills. You would be fucking
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: buying the painting.
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: I would be burning my house down after that started
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: happening in my house.
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but you would in the eBay. I'm saying, we
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: see this thing on eBay with this disclaimer, I'd be like, Okay,
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: move on, you'd be like, hmm, how much is it?
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: Maybe I'll buy that.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And then as soon as I found out, shit
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: it is haunted slash cursed, house burnt down, I'm probably
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: cursed my life and I'm gonna die very soon, a horrible,
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: horrible death.
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: Oh my gosh. Okay. The fact that the figures like disappear,
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: that's the creepiest.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: No, excuse me. It's not that they disappear well, like
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: they're not in the paint.
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: Oh or are They're actually like walking around your fucking house.
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: There you go, Oh shit, there you go.
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: Okay, that is that is really really disturbing.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: We'll get into that in a sect though. Here. So
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: an exert from the original eBay listing read this. When
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: we received this painting, we thought it was really good art.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: At the time, we wondered why. Sorry, we wondered a
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: little why a seemingly perfect fine painting would be discarded
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: like that. Today we don't. One morning, our four and
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: a half year old daughter claimed that the children in
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: the picture were fighting and coming into the room during
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: the night.
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: Holy shit, I mean, little kids see weird shit. Though
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: they do, they're like more susceptible to that.
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, definitely, one hundred percent through and through. But
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: anything regarding little kids, I don't care if they see
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: shit or not. It's faking it. It's creepy as shit.
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: You would be so creeped out.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: Oh, with a fucking four year old kid tells me, Hey,
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: that painting kinds alive and crawls around my room at night,
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: You're telling me you're not gonna be fucking shitting yourself.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: I'd have to probably heard a couple times, because the
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: first time I'd be like, Oh, it's just like their imagination.
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: That's so cute.
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: Well, the couple ended up putting some motion sensor cameras
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: in front of the painting.
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: Oh wow, that's next level, that's thinking.
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: And they captured some truly terrifying images and activity. Really,
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: they allegedly caught the figures exiting the painting.
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: Oh shit.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: Photographs that were apparently in the original eBay listing that
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: I have not found yet, but I'm going to continue
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: to try and find showed the boy crawling out of
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: the painting as it being threatened by the doll. In others,
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: the doll's face is angry and she's holding onto a gun.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: Oh instead of the dry cell battery, which is painted
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: in the original image.
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: Okay, can I just say what's going through my head
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: right now? Yes, this fucking podcast. I now have to
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: worry about the windows, my doors, my fucking medicine cabinets,
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: and now the goddamn Artner house. Are you fucking with me?
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: This is the I just like I'm just never gonna
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: sleep again here, like it's just done. Yeah, no more.
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: I don't know what to say. Yeah, we fucked.
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, it's too much. It's too much.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: Let's burn all their paintings immediately.
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: Yep. Maybe this freakin deathhead moth thing that I'm looking
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: at right now comes and flies around our house.
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: Maybe we should just fill our house with live, laugh
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: love quotes and those that come up, come true, come
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: to life, and we can live, laugh and love.
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: I used to do that, but then you told me
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: that I was too basic. It kind of was a
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: long I had too many. Now now I don't really
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: have any word signs around there.
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: We have a Harry Potter one, a great big one
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: that says, after all this time always.
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: And one by the door actually to our happy place.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: Yep. So there we go. You got some Anyways, we digress.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: News of this listing was quickly spread through the Internet
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: and effectively went viral for its time. Now, remember this
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: is twenty two years ago. In the year two thousand
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: and then, the eBay listing had over thirty thousand views
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: on it. Wow, thirty thousand views.
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: That's a lot. That is nowadays like you wouldn't make
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: necessarily think that's a lot, but back then, especially, it's
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: a lot.
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: Back then it was a big number. That's probably equivalent
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: to like thirty million views today, right with how many
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: people use the internet exactly. So people were forwarding the
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: link back and forth, so on so on, and in
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: doing so, they were potentially unknowingly exposing themselves to the
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: curse of the painting.
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: Seriously, no way.
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: People began to make claims that simply viewing the photo
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: of the painting made them feel ill or have odd
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: or even paranormal experiences.
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: And here Ben's like, I'm going to find that photo.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: Like, seriously, no, no photos of just the painting, the
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: one you looked at when we started, right for that
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: that one.
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: You could have warned me.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: Sorry. People reported headaches, odd feelings, computers and electronics malfunctioning, wow,
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: immediately after viewing this image.
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: Well, I already have that problem my computer not working.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: The painting received an initial bid of one hundred and
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: ninety nine dollars and received a total of thirty bids.
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: Four was sold four.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: How much do you think it was sold for?
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: Ninety nine?
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: Well, you're actually not too far off one five dollars.
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: Oh that, I'm pretty far off.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: You said one thousand, nine ninety nine, right.
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, like two grand. It sold for like one grand.
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: But I was expecting you to be like several grand hots.
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: Oh okay, I see, I.
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: Was expecting you like twelve grand.
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: Or twenty grand or something.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Anyways, Kim Smith bought the image, Okay. Now, Kim
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: currently keeps a painting in the back room of Smith's
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: Perception Fine Art gallery in Grand Rapids, Michigan, where it
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: sits in a cardboard sleeve.
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: Oh really, so it's not even displayed.
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: Not even being displayed. Apparently Kim's kid was like, yeah,
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: you can't hang that fucking house. No way, that's not
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: coming in our home.
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: Honestly, that's a steal of a deal, it is she got.
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: Really Now, Kim only publicly has shown the Haunted painting
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: a total of six times, and I believe that's I
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: think it was like nine or ten people have viewed
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: the painting since. Okay, and has never actually experienced anything
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: supernatural themselves.
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: Huh. Well, because now I'm just thinking too now that
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: painting is worth a ton more I would imagine.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: Well, Kim received many generous offers, some of them being
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: in the low six figure range.
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: Wow, doesn't surprise me.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So Kim has turned down all offers and currently
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: has no plans to sell the painting, and had this
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: to say about it quote, nothing has ever been to
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: the point where I would consider serious. It's kind of
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: got its own mystique that's growing here. So definitely wants
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: to hang on to it.
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: But it's not even displaying it or anything I would
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: sell it. That's a big like I can't think of
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: the word when you investment there, you go as like,
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: what is the word? Like? She could make some serious
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: dough yea.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: Anyways, since being on eBay, William has been commissioned to
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: paint sequels of the painting.
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: Okay, this is good for him too, I'm sure.
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: Oh, definitely. In two thousand and four, he painted Resistance
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: at the Threshold, the sequel depicting the same characters forty
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: years later in the same style as the original.
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: Oh Wow.
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: In twenty twelve, there's Threshold of Revelation and a third,
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: but this time it's a prequel called Hands Invent Him,
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: which shows the boy as an artist with a paintbrush
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: as he stands behind the glass door looking out.
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: Oh wow, Okay, I want to look at all these
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: that's cool.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: And then in twenty twenty one, only last year, William
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: created what he says is the final painting in the series,
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: What Remains, which shows the original painting setting as a
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: deteriorated and scattered with a hellish looking almost portal and
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: what seems to be the remains of those who once
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: stood there. You can view all those additional ones on
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: his website. He's got them all there.
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: Kah, yeah, I'm gonna look. So really, it's only one
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: family necessarily has said this is cursed.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: Yes, However, the whole eBay listing and individuals claiming that
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: they've had experiences just.
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: By looking, okay, and then those three people that kind
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: of were associated with.
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: It, yeah yeah, after the association, yes, okay, So this
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: when it went effectively viral on eBay. Since then, this
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: has been given the title of not the some say
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: thee but it's at least one of the most haunted
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: paintings in the world.
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: I take my chances, and I would look at it.
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: I would definitely look at it in person.
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: I would I would go visit Robert too. Oh, Robert,
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: I so badly want to go visit Robert.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: Where was Robert the doll again?
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: Somewhere? Yeah, we talked about him last Halloween.
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, where I need to remember where in Florida.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: I can't remember.
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: We might be going to Florida next year.
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: Oh, we should go visit Robert.
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: We could, we should, but you can't take photos, and shit, right.
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: You can ask permission for photos?
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: And how does he respond?
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: Okay, well then I probably just wouldn't take any photos.
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: I would Oh my gosh, Kane, we're not going and
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: seeing wrong? Worth it all? Then I will let me
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: re listen to that case.
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: Robert's wild. That case is wild. This case if these
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: things are true again wild. And I really want to
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: see if I can go down a rabbit hole and
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: find these so called photographs of the figures coming out
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: of the paintings.
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: They have to be out there.
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: Oh, I need to just go down the right rabbit
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: hole on Reddit. I just haven't found it yet.
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, that's very disturbing to have these two
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: figures legitimately come out of the painting and walk around
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: your home. Yeah, Like that's alarming.
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: Well, that's beyond terrifying. That's what that is. Isn't just alarming?
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: Like I would actually shit my pants, Like I would
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: just be done.
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: I was just about to say, that's I hope you
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: have brown pants on.
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Like, there's no way. I'm just like, I don't
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: know why. I mean we I'm envisioning it in Mound
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: House me like looking down from the loft and like
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: seeing these figures walking around.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: Fuck this shit them out.
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: Those windows aren't that high, Like I would just jump
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: fair enough.
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So if you liked this whole creepy and paranormal
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: type story over on Patreon, Jacko's going to be doing
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: a reading of a creepy pasta. Makes you guys, go
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: check that out. It is one of the most well
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: known creepy pastas. I stumbled that creepy pastas of all
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: time crazy story, So you might want to check that
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: out too, if you're up for Patreon. If not, that's
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: totally cool. We got more days back to back coming
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: soon for Halloween week.
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: And is that being posted tomorrow on Patreon?
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: Well tomorrow for us, but this is this has posted
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: a day behind it, right.
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: That always gets us like one day? Yeah, okay, it's okay,
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: So that is posted today.
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: If you are listening to this episode, it is posted
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: in Patreon.
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: Nice, Okay, that is literally what I was trying to
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: get at.
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: So thank you a very roundabout way.
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well okay, well, good choice. This was interesting. I mean,
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: I'm not like super into. Sorry, I just burped again.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: I can't.
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: I just can't. I'm sorry. At least they're very subtle. Okay.
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: So I'm I don't know paranormal like, sometimes I believe it,
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: sometimes I don't. But this was a very interesting one
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: for me. I did enjoy this.
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: It's a flip side of the coin. It's either yeah,
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: it's complete bullshit or if you give me enough proof,
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: then holy fuck, that story is wild if it's true.
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: So yeah, well we know more coming tomorrow, five more days,
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: so so exciting. Stay tuned. Go check out our social
• 33:47
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• 33:51
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• 33:54
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• 34:00
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• 34:05
  Speaker 3: stay wicked.