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Unwrapping The Mysteries of Death (Ft Sayed Abdullah Nakeeb) · After Maghrib 🌙

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Salaam Alaikum and welcome back to the Arthur Macro podcasts.
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Attala. Now Speaking of our last panel,
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Attala and trying to get closer to our Lords, a question we
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always, you know, neglect and never think of is dying, death
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and afterlife. And Charlotte, in this
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conversation, we want to discuss, you know, what is the
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afterlife like? You know, what does Bunsack even
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means? Maybe you've never heard what
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Bunsack means. And today in Charlotte, we're
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going to get into that and we're going to delve straight into the
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conversation. And before we start today's
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Good Weather's been a bit crazy this week.
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You know, we've been it with all sorts of weather and things are
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going good. You know, we talk about death.
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We spoke about death, obviously. Earlier in the years back, yeah,
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which is Which was a heavy conversation and we stopped at
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the point of death and we've we wanted to consider what happens
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after death as well in the afterlife of which is such a
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heavy topic. But a lot of the time when we
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talk about that, there's a a negative connotation attached to
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it, maybe rightly or wrongly. But of course in Charlotte we
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will, we'll be getting to that, but with a specialist with us as
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well, our dear friend and brother, said Abbala Nakib
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Islam, are you doing? Pleasure to have you back on.
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Or. X Yeah, types of change to.
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Find my password again. Say obviously big topic.
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Yes. Why should we even bother
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talking about this? Straight into it.
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I like it. I like it well.
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So on the first level. It's it's one of those things
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that whether you're religious, you're not religious.
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You don't believe in God altogether.
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You have to believe in death because that's one thing that
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everyone knows it's coming. So in that level, you know that
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it's coming. Whether you're religious or not
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religious, you need to know what am I to expect, what is going to
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be there when the outcome comes that all of a sudden I cease to
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exist. And if you're religious, you
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understand that your soul's transitioning to the next
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journey that it has in fun of it, so.
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The importance is there to say, you know, am I prepared for that
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journey ahead like anything or am I not?
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So what is there that I have to prepare for?
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What are my actions going to manifest into and am I ready or
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am I not ready? So that's in Charlotte the, the
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discussion. We're going to look at different
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things in Charlotte tonight about that.
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So where, where do you want to start?
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We can start with the the journey and.
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Where do you think it's important to start because?
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The moment of death is obviously the beginning of the transition
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transitionary period, when you talk about the interaction with
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supernatural forces in the sense of molecular molds and some say
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amid Amalmine, if you're one of the blessed ones and but the
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point in which your body transcends, your soul,
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transcends from your body and you engage, do you recognize a
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good place for us to begin with? Death in itself, so the.
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Secarato malts as as we call them.
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So the I guess, yeah, yeah, I remember I was in a I was
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Magellis and I said death. So tonight we're going to be
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speaking about death and all of a sudden the mic cut out.
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I had someone in the back, but yeah, I was like making modes
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here, so be prepared. But so we start with the pains
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associated with Secarata mode because every time it's
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mentioned that's the one things of the pulpits that are always
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used as a tool to. Instruct fear into people.
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It's like be prepared for that and understandably obviously
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when you go towards the the different books that we have
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like let's say you go towards the books of say this the baby
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Shiraz as an example or Abbasso Comi.
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Then when they speak about death it speak about Secarato mode.
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The interesting thing is, is they explore Secarato mode
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through two different lenses. So you know, we have the the
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understanding, the first lenses. You know if you're good or if
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you're bad. That's normal answers.
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But then he looks at it through God's justice.
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So he says as a thinker, let's say that I'm a person that is
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religious but I have bad deeds. So where's God's justice in
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that? And if I'm a I'm a bad person
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that I don't believe in God and I have good deeds and it was
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asking how's God going to reward them?
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How's God going to punish them? So amongst the things that say
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that from God's justice is that if you are.
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If you're religious and you have some bad deeds, that alassu
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hanta Alam will insectal malt in those pains increase the pain in
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it? Why?
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Because when you go into your grave after that pain, you're
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filtered that sin that you did in this world.
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Now Allah has punished you for it.
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So when you go towards either the gender of Barza or the
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gender of the hereafter, you're clean slate.
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And likewise if you're a. That's a disbeliever or your
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ultimate abode will be Hellfire that they explore the the
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concept of Alasohanta Ala, giving you an easy so you won't
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feel any pain whatsoever going and transitioning into either
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the Barza or the hereafter. And then when you come towards
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God, you're like, well, I did some good things, you know, I
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helped this person or I perform this particular act of charity
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or whatever have you, he says. I've already.
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You know, granted you their due reward by not allowing you to
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feel the pains during that death or that extraction of the soul.
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So that in itself is is something when you look at it,
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it's like, But then on the flip side, you do have the stories of
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what Musa felt and what muddy and felt because we're saying if
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I believe it doesn't have any sense, you shouldn't feel the
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pains. But then you go to the story of
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Musa and the beautiful story when Milky mud comes to him, he
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says to him, you know Musa. I've come to grab your soul
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because sometimes they come to visit the Prophets, so they're
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chilling, they're enjoying themselves, but sometimes
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they're like, oh, it's that Angel, you know, And he's like,
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are you visiting or was there something else?
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Yeah, yeah. He's like, no, no, no, it's it's
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the time. So, So he says, OK, no problem.
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So how you can extract my soul? So he says it's from your feet.
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And he says, how can you? When I walk towards, I promise
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to walk towards. And this for example, or be in
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the presence of God that I walked towards Alasaphanotala.
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And he says, I'll take it from your hand and he says how can
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you? And this is what I helped to
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stick with and it keeps going. This is where I split the sea
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and I'll take it from your tongue.
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And I'm like, I spoke to Allah, I'm known as Kalim Allah.
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So every time he's saying something, Musa's like, come on,
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sort me. Out.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know. But at the last moment, he's
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like he gave him in the tradition, not range.
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She's like a like a tangerine. Yeah, yeah.
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So he's like, smell it. So he smells it.
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And at that moment he takes his life.
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And they asked Musa, how did you feel?
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He says, I felt like I've been skinned.
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And that's a that's a prophet of God, you know, when when Isa
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speaks to his mother, he says to her, my mother, shall I return
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you to the world? And she says that the.
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The taste of Secaratamod still on my tongue.
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This is this is Marian, which is one of the four greatest ladies
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of all time. So then they're like, what?
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Where does that they're? Just scaring us, yeah?
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No, no, no, no. But he goes.
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But so when they look at those traditions, they say that a lot
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of pounds are out and his justice, either he punishes you
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to to remove the sins, the balances it out or he wants to
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elevate you in rank and that can go with anything in this world
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before the. Second item modes where it says
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that you are sinful. You may have a sickness, you may
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go through a trauma, you may go through difficult times, and
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that's a filtration process to remove sins from your book,
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let's say. But in saying that you may be
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sinless, not allow us to test you in order for them to
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increase you in rank for the hereafter, so.
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When we feel pain, yeah. At the time you're like, this is
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too much. But when it comes to the
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hereafter, like you're, I'll do that again.
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But to be honest, if we're thinking about trying to be good
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human beings, be good Mormonine, then the idea is, is that in
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Charlotte? I don't want to say death is
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something we look forward to because I don't know if there is
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anyone who does. But the meeting of a lot, a lot
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in itself is something we you know we in Stratton Walker, we
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say a Saba corn. A Saba corn would like a Mukada
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born feature not in our aim and that that that yearning to reach
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the eternal paradise should be something that we we work for
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but. In.
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I don't know. But I feel like, you know,
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growing up, we used to have a a scholar who used to come to our
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center. He was known as Sheikh Barzakh.
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He was, he was literally Malecon mode.
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He'd come, he'd remind us about death.
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And it was. That's me today.
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No. Yeah.
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No, that's me today. No, I like those lectures.
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Because it puts you in place, right?
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You from a young age. I don't, Yeah.
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Yeah. Even from a young age, I don't
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think it puts me in place and Charlotte does.
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But I think it reminds me of reality.
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Like, you know, we are actually going to die as much as we, you
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know, can get no lost in our own world, you know, not remembering
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that there is death that's going to come chase us one day.
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So it's a nice reminder. Yeah, it is a nice reminder, but
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at the same time, it is like we hear a lot about the.
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Punishment. Yeah a lot of a lot of that
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stuff. And of course with there's
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obviously the stations of Buzzak which if if you can then
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Charlotte explains it. But from what I understand, when
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when you're asked the questions, yes and we are you know, we're
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quizzed on on our belief and our Iman then inshallah from from
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what I've read a last one to Allah will make the the grave
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lodge for us and Hadith Aman sada Khali Islam says.
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The same size as if you one had traveled in those days for one
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month. Imagine that could be thousands
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of miles. And it goes to show that maybe a
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lot wants it to be easy for us and not, you know, guns and fire
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and blazing everything with. Smell, yeah.
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Do you know what I mean? Maybe I'll feel.
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Like, no, no, that's that's that's that's that's a very good
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point because the way that we do get people to, you know, kind
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of. Stay within the parameters of
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religion is one of the ways in which either that you show them
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the reward or you show them the punishment that's there to
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instill fear, which is which is not the correct way to preach
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religion. I mean, it might work for some
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people, but I think the best way is to see what the religion
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offers, the beauty within religion.
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You know, as he states, you know, I do not worship Allah.
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Yeah, I don't worship Allah in Greece of his heaven or in fear
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of his Hellfire, but I found him worthy.
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So in that particular perspective, we have to kind of
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see that. Yes, Allah is is just and yes He
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is also merciful. But you need to worship for a
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loss of Anna's island and what you're saying is yet Allah in
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His justice He did promise everyone if you're good then
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you'll have a good buttersa, if you're bad you're going to be
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punished for it. And like you stated, yes there
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the transition from this world when the soul is being taken
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from our human dense body and it's transitioned into the
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buttersa body which is identical.
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To our human body, when you end that transition, you know you're
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being questioned. But the question in the grave is
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what either opens and expands your grave or tightens it upon
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you. Many of us say to tell ourselves
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that you know, it's just the questions.
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We need to learn them. You know who's your Lord?
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Who's your prophet? Who's your Imam?
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Your book? They call this Talpin.
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Yeah, that's why. Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah. That's I've been to a few
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funerals, yeah. Yeah, I mean and if you if you
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recall the tradition of Rasul Allah with the mother of Imam
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Ali, one of the first people with what happened is he stood
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at the grave after he buried the mother of mom Ali in his own
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with his own hands and he put his shirt that as a Kevin for
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her, as a shroud. And he stood at the grave and he
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said a word. And obviously we understand what
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he's saying when he tells her not appeal and not Jaffa.
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Nice. See, I like.
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It do you see so so when you when you when you when he says
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that and you read between the lines you're like you know that
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it's just been questioned at that very moment now.
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Yeah. So her soul is.
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Listening to her so but the school is there.
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Like she could have replied because she knew.
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That's the mother of the middle moment.
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And and that in itself should tell us.
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That we need to prepare, but most of us just learn that, you
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know, like I learned that God is this or I learned that this is
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the prophet, this thing man. But a lot of comments are there
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with his wisdom. You can't just learn and go into
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the grave. You need to apply it.
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Yeah, because Allah will remove it from you if you didn't apply
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it to your life. It's difficult.
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They say yeah, for you to even although you know it and you
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want to say it, but your tongue refuses.
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Because you didn't. Apply it and we're speaking and
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our soul will be speaking, you know, not our memory and not
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what we've been trained, you know, methodically to do as
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well. It's instinct, you know.
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So, so in in that sense, once you've reached that stage, you
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either answer correctly opens and expands and if you don't
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answer correctly, obviously closes upon you.
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Now that that transition itself, the questioning period and
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that's why they say Munkar and Nakir, yes, they're not, they
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don't, they're not going to. They don't care if, if you know
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you've got six figures in your bank account, what rank you have
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amongst your people, how high you are in your job position,
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how much money. None of that.
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They don't care. You answer your answer.
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You don't answer. You don't answer.
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Some traditions, you read things like they don't have E's, they
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don't have I's. They're just there to, you know,
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like do their job. I'm just like, you know what I
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mean? Like what they're trying to say
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is like they have no sense of remorse for what they're about
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to do in that sense, you know, and so this Mukkada makir,
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there's other treatments that say if you're a believer, it's
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not mukkada makir. They're actually angels, but
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they're given the the titles. Monkar and the kid is because of
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how much you don't want to be around them if you're a
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believer. They say that they change their
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names, are known to the believers are Mubashir and
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Bashir because they give you glad tidings of what lies ahead.
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So in that situation your soul after it's allocated, goes
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either towards the garden of heaven or the it's of hell.
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Now they say that the souls doesn't matter where you're
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buried. It doesn't matter where you're
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buried. I've heard this.
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Year if your righteous soul goes towards that, you are of known
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as Wades Salam. And if you have a soul which is
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ultimate, a bird will be Hellfire.
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You go towards a place in Yemen by the name of Wadi Barrahut and
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that's and that's where. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So. So those are the two
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transitions. Now when we take that into
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perspective and then you ask yourself then what's the?
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Purpose of going to the grapes and if the souls in why the
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salon or in why they got hit it, so what's the purpose?
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And interestingly enough there's so many traditions and this is
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not mentioned much. And they say that for the soul
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it has three periods, like if you go to for example Salatar
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Alpha. Because they ask the question
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like if the souls you know in the heavens, is that where what
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the Salaam is? Is it underneath the earth
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because you don't want to buried?
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We're buried underground. So they say that it might be a
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different and what it seems is when you get to sort sort of
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Trafford, it speaks about the punishment that the people of
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Farhan are getting. But the way that it showcases A
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punishment alludes to the fact of where they are.
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It says in the Quran it says that they are being the wording
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in close proximity to the punishment or the fiery
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punishment. Both in the day and the evening.
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Meaning what? There's there's a Sunday.
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Yeah. If there wasn't a sun, there
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wouldn't be a day and night. So that eludes to the fight.
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And then it says after it goes and then when the hour comes,
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which is judgment day, then they will be punished to severe
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punishment. So in that level you understand
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that. OK, so the people of Fort Owen,
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in a period between when they died to the hereafter, there's a
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period where there is there. Exactly so.
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And they say that the whole concept of Barzak and when we
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spoke to that area is, you know, sort of Rahman, Marajal,
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Bahraini, El Takanda, the two sees meat, but they do not mix.
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Why? Because there's a Barzak between
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them. And that's why we say that on
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this earth there is the human body and the Barzak bodies, this
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world and the Barzak world. But between them is a veil that
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they do not see each other but there is still access between
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them. Yeah.
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And that's, that's that's a whole different notion in it.
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So you know the world of Butterza, Yes.
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And so it's a different, it's a similar thing, but different
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world. I'm just trying to remember
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something I've heard before. I live in dark.
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That's the one. OK, going that way.
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OK, the world of atoms, that's the right translation to it.
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So we were atoms once. That's right.
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So very similar how we were atoms and now we came to this
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world. That's right, pretty much.
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That's very similar to what Butterza is.
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I'm not mistaken, yes. Why can't we remember at the
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world of atoms? They're like see.
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See, if you don't give it to me, you know something that we say
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deja vu or someone. Else workout, Yes, I've heard.
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I'll green you out if I start this one.
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One person I've told me if you felt like you've seen something
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or felt something before, that's actually from the world of
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atoms. I don't.
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Know if there's like one world of Allen Arwa.
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Oh, so there's. So my my statement, he says.
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Because like you said, sometimes you see someone and you think to
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yourself what happens a lot. Yeah, You're like, I don't know
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them. And it's not the sense of
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something like, oh, I'm attracted to that person.
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No, no, it's not. It's not an attraction.
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Yeah, a familiar. Yeah, exactly.
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So there is a an aspect of I find that person familiar and
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I'm at ease with them. And there's others that you've
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never met in your life. And you're like, I just.
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I don't feel comfortable with that first sense, you know, when
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I leave, when he's asked what he says.
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El Arawa, Juno. Don Mujennete.
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Menta out of Femin Heteliff or Men.
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Tanaka Rahteliff. Which means sometimes there's
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souls that it's been imprinted who your friends were when you
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say deja vu, imprinted who you were close to meant to out of
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femin hetel. If who?
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At Telef means they're in harmony.
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When Monkar comes from the wording of in the Holy Quran is
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that you do not know That's why we have Narov because as we go
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to animate that something that we were taught because it's
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known. Narov comes from the word known
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because you're known and you're filtered that this is good and
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this is bad. Monkar comes from not knowing
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that's one. So that's yourself.
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It says very clearly that use of out of a home that he recognized
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them Waho wahom laho monki that they did not know that no.
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So in that aspect so yeah so from antenna Karaman Hechtel it
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means the souls that do not recognize each other give their
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separate ways. So it goes down to that
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particular point, but that's then we go back to island that
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where we say that why is the Quran called remembrance had we
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been taught before and that's why when a lot brought it down,
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it's called the remembrance to remind you that which were first
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taught Once Upon. Anyway, that's it.
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Very, very. We'll keep that for the that.
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All proper next level stuff. Honestly, honestly, it does it
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that. Different dimensions, say, but
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like if you ask yourself, yeah, what?
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We aren't very off topic. I'm so sorry, but just a
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question. What See sequence of events led
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this chair, this wood in the chair to be used for a person
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sitting on it to speak about Ahlibate and the wood in a stage
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in a concert. It's true.
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Well, what happened previously in that sequence of events?
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Because we know every single thing on this world.
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While I'm sharing the live sub there handy every single atom on
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this world. Does this be how you don't
21:44
understand it? This be every single every
21:47
single atom was somewhere before, and sequence of events
21:51
led it to. Anyways, by going back to the.
21:55
This is your fault. It's not my.
21:56
Blessed atoms, blessed chairs as well.
21:59
That's what I'm saying, you know.
22:00
But but The thing is, why did Imam said Giant and Carabella?
22:05
So we go on a couple of weeks back when he goes on the pulpit
22:08
of Yazid, when did he ask for me?
22:10
He said. I didn't say I want to go on the
22:11
pulpit. He says Allow me to stand on
22:16
these pieces of wood so I may give a speech it.
22:20
Was a pulpit, but Imam Sejado was.
22:22
It's pieces of wood because it's not used for anything else other
22:24
than which is not religious. Whereas if he goes to the walls,
22:28
that same wood of Isolaba pulpit.
22:31
Yes, yes, there's a different element there.
22:36
So that in itself should tell us that yes, anything that's
22:39
happened from the previous world and that's and that goes on like
22:42
whatever happens in this world obviously affects Barzac.
22:45
What happens in Barzac affects the hereafter and that's the
22:49
just the transition. So.
22:51
I want to, if if you don't mind. So we just go back to the the
22:55
this kind of the chronology. So obviously we're in the grave,
22:59
the Socrata malt, the taking of the soul, and then we enter the
23:02
grave, we'll ask the questions. And then from there, if you're
23:05
if you're one of the Manin, you go to head to WADA Salaam, from
23:09
what I understand, when the souls enter WADA Salaam.
23:12
Is a hadith from Imam Sada Khalil Salaam where he said that
23:15
this is where the believers will meet.
23:17
They'll mingle. So they'll ask you know what
23:20
happened when you died, what's going on in the world.
23:23
They'll mingle and ask each other questions.
23:25
Even a middle manin. There were times where he would
23:28
return from battle and on his way back is supreme companions.
23:31
Yes, would would ask him why are you stopping and looking around
23:35
And he'd say, because I can see what you cannot see.
23:37
I can see the the meeting of the believers.
23:40
And I may I I've I've also heard as well that and it's here in
23:44
Wadi Salaam where the Mormonin can meet the Ahlil Beitan him
23:48
Aslam and even share food from their plate.
23:51
And in that interaction is something which is obviously
23:55
like, you know, you you yearn for that, you look forward to it
23:58
when you imagine that we can meet other other believers on
24:01
this earth, perhaps even the Ahlil Beitan, him, Aslam, we're
24:03
honored with that. And then this is all prior to
24:07
even gender. That in itself is just mind
24:10
boggling. That in itself is gender.
24:11
A law gives you sustenance. A law gives you, you know, the
24:14
the companion Abu Basir, I'm not mistaken.
24:16
A mom's side, there's companion. I'm not sure.
24:18
I think there's a companion, Abu Basir, that apparently, I think,
24:23
if I'm not mistaken, the story goes he had a dream of his
24:25
father, who was in Bazac, and in the dream his father's telling
24:30
him. Here, this, that and he's like
24:32
dad, what's what's what's going on?
24:34
How's life there? What's you know, tell me the
24:36
gossip And his dad says to him, well, that's good.
24:38
I'm enjoying it. I enjoy most of the day except
24:41
for one hour in the day. A scorpion comes and stings me.
24:45
He goes, it nearly ruins my day every day.
24:48
And then I wake up next day and my day starts again.
24:49
Is generally OK? He goes.
24:51
Why does the scorpion sting you? He says.
24:53
Because when I was on the earth, I used to speak ill put as I
24:56
used to speak poison to your mother.
24:59
And because of that, I'm still being punished.
25:02
And it just goes to show that you know these, you know, we
25:05
will still be held accountable and like you said said we, we
25:08
are being cleansed and prepared in Charlotte for entrance into
25:12
paradise because how can we be amongst the pure if we're not
25:16
pure ourselves? And you know, something that
25:18
always hits me much slightly off topic, but every time I try and
25:21
imagine gender, OK, I always tell myself that.
25:26
For a true believer, Jenna could be like an open empty space.
25:30
But if you have the chance to pray and be amongst Hallebates
25:33
and pray to Las Pantala and peace and privacy, that should
25:36
satisfy you. It should be enough for you.
25:37
Do you know what I mean? But I'm at that stage.
25:40
I don't know. But going off your point, yeah,
25:41
if someone was to come and tell, they would come and tell you.
25:46
You can enter the highest ranks of Jenna, but you don't see
25:50
Emilian? Oh yeah, isn't that a question?
25:54
Yeah, if someone comes in and says, OK, you're allowed to
25:56
enter heaven, but you'll never be able to see Emir Woman, is
25:59
that gender? No.
26:01
I'll be upset. Yeah, I mean that.
26:03
Is like puts a spot in the works.
26:04
I'm happy I'm a gender. Charlotte, because we look
26:06
forward. To meeting the other bit.
26:07
But that's the thing that just shows us that the gender for us
26:10
like you know a few weeks back when we're talking about
26:12
Muharram for us in the agony of of of you know the the the
26:17
tragedy it there was a there is a underlying sense of
26:22
completion. Yeah, being there a fulfillment,
26:26
being there that fulfillment when you get in, in the
26:29
hereafter only by seeing that being around them or maybe
26:34
seeing their light, you know the light that they say that the nor
26:37
of Imam Hussein would distract everyone from even look at
26:41
Holden aim. That's the nor from just the
26:43
face of Imam Hussein. So going back to the to the
26:47
point of of rule, the question is now the transition there.
26:55
Is there a way that I can have access to them?
26:58
To who? Sorry.
26:59
To the people in Barza, so we're in.
27:02
This world? Where in this world I was going
27:03
to lead to this? Question you're.
27:06
Asking how about Dave? But that's the thing like
27:09
because most people think a class person is deceased has
27:13
returned back to us. I lost going to the next realm.
27:16
It's. Is it cut off or is there
27:18
something still that accessibility now for us to
27:23
access them? They say that you can, but it's
27:27
not up to you. It's whenever Allah wants, it's
27:29
when he shows you them and I'm a royal.
27:32
The dreams, the interesting thing is the reason why you see
27:35
them, how they lived in this world is because they have the
27:40
exact image in the Barzakh body and that's what you see is the
27:43
Barzakh body. But oftentimes, sometimes dreams
27:46
can be correct and sometimes dream can be misleading.
27:50
But if you see for example Elevating a dream SharePoint, is
27:52
there a difference between? A dream and a Royo.
27:55
How can we tell the difference? Royo is the one that we want.
27:58
Yeah, Roy is. But how do we know?
28:00
Like, good. Given we don't know okay, isn't
28:04
there hadith? From if I'm not minimal many
28:06
where he says the three types like you said either it's from
28:09
SharePoint. Or it's guidance from of law or
28:14
I think he says. Or.
28:15
And the third type is like, it's trivial.
28:16
Yeah. Something you thought about or
28:18
you fell asleep. Yeah.
28:19
Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
28:20
So that's one. Often these things, why do you?
28:24
Sometimes you have these dreams. Sometimes the person is trying
28:26
to tell you something. Yeah.
28:27
Like in the case that you just mentioned, we can take the
28:29
scorpion as being something that maybe he wants his son to go and
28:33
allow his mom to. You know.
28:34
Sometimes it's yeah, possibly yeah.
28:37
But there are stories like that that you know I have something
28:39
owing can you please because I'm being punished and so they have
28:41
that contact sometimes it's just to give you an ease But said.
28:45
Even the fact that Allah would grant us that chance to right
28:48
our wrongs, even after, you know, we talk about in sort of
28:52
more manoon Chapter 100, I think where we say where a lot, where
28:57
we ask a lot of the opportunity to return to the world.
29:02
Yeah, and so. I may go do do good in what I
29:04
left behind and we still talk about doing.
29:06
I'm basically coming back to the moment on verse 100, Correct?
29:09
Yeah, like and. In that stage our bosses know
29:13
you've it says this is a word that I have said, yes, that's
29:16
it. And then there's a buzzer after
29:17
them. But the fact that even.
29:18
We can interact via dreams and have the opportunity to right
29:22
wrongs. Is something messy, yeah, and
29:24
there's so many opportunities to continue benefiting after your
29:27
death. As you know this this is reminds
29:29
me of. I remember, I think.
29:33
I think I was at the center of Solado.
29:34
I think it was say hi to him without even a lecture.
29:36
Speaking of death, watch out. He loves it.
29:38
He loves it. He's known.
29:39
For these lectures. And he gave a very nice story
29:43
where he said there was a man we used to see his father in the
29:47
dream, so we'd. Always see like his father, you
29:52
know, he's, he'll have a sofa, like a, you know, like a food
29:55
table, but with no food on it, for example.
29:58
Or he'll see a man you know his dad is not feeling happy.
30:01
He's a bit a little agony is a little something.
30:05
But the son doesn't know because his dad is unable to communicate
30:08
why he feels this way. So he went to a scholar and the
30:13
scholar so interpreted this Roya for him.
30:17
And then he, he was telling the scholar, told the son, What your
30:21
father's trying to say to you is, do Amal care for me so I
30:25
don't suffer? So that day, that same day gave
30:30
me some sustenance. Yeah, so that.
30:32
Same day he goes, you know, I just, I had like water.
30:35
I spilt. That night he went to sleep.
30:39
He hasn't done nothing good in his father's name.
30:41
He went to sleep. He saw his father in a dream.
30:43
His father came happy. And he was, you know, he had
30:46
food on the table and he was thanking the sun.
30:48
And he's like, I haven't done nothing.
30:50
I just found out like what you want from me because I've done
30:52
nothing goes no, no, no, no. When you threw that water on the
30:55
floor, it was the ants that came to drink.
30:59
And she said that I'm on the so wow.
31:04
Yeah, that. That.
31:05
That. Wow.
31:06
And things like that. You know I've I've lost a far
31:09
seed Hardy. Yeah.
31:10
Yeah. Really.
31:11
Yeah. So when I heard.
31:13
That I'm like, hmm, you're going everywhere.
31:16
I know water. Just as, you know, I'm outside.
31:18
We wish for, you know, the Real Salt.
31:20
That's right. This helps us in our life.
31:22
That's exactly right. Yeah, yeah, amongst 3 things.
31:24
Yeah. So at what stage does Raja come
31:29
in? I know this slightly after I
31:30
know is your favorite topic thing, but like you know in this
31:32
wadis Salaam period and there's a point where Allah will give us
31:36
in Charlotte the opportunity if we're not on this earth to
31:39
return back from the Raja. Or how does it work?
31:43
Because very, very. This one's a it's a very some
31:45
are going to go into the depth of it, but this was an easy one.
31:47
So they say obviously that we have that one tradition form
31:52
dial ahead where we come to a stage where we recite if we want
31:56
to be of the companions. Yes, on 40 days in a row and
32:00
Halabani will be in a whole Motality Jatsa hatsman Makhreeya
32:08
AFA resurrect me for my grave, holding everything prepared for
32:16
being by your side. That's one God resurrects you.
32:19
Then there is an aspect of the believer that has had all the
32:27
necessary characteristics and actions to be possibly returned
32:33
back towards Imam Sahabalas Rose Imam's reign.
32:36
They would come, the angels and tell him, by the way, the imam's
32:40
there. You have an option, would you
32:42
like to stay in that heaven that you're in or would you like to
32:45
come and be prepared to be alongside the Imam of your time?
32:49
And they have the option. And this tradition is very
32:51
clear. It's like, yes, some of them and
32:53
some of them like I'm happy where I am.
32:56
So that in itself is striking that you have that access even
33:01
after brothers are. So there's heaven upon heaven.
33:03
There is a sense. Of free will and decision making
33:06
and even in that level, yeah, after you've returned back
33:10
towards Allah and consciousness. Still exists.
33:14
Like you're not a soul. Just the way I've always thought
33:17
of it is you're traveling. And your hands are tied.
33:20
You're on a train and you're gonna get there.
33:22
You're either getting poked. With Spears by Angel or you're
33:25
being brought fruits and you just have to deal with.
33:27
You're lucky you're here we go again.
33:29
Yeah, but you can. But you can continue to gain
33:31
knowledge. You can continue to interact
33:33
with others, other souls, and even living souls on the earth,
33:36
and like you said, even have the choice to join a mum's a month.
33:40
Very interesting. So I, I we did mention, I think
33:43
we, we, we we just skipped something, yeah.
33:46
When we said what does the grave have to do with anything for
33:50
visiting the grave, Yes, yes, we went on the footlon when we went
33:54
all the way back towards the world of atoms.
33:56
Yeah, but it was a good point. But in saying that when we go
34:06
towards the grave, you know, someone asked that if you're
34:08
saying that the souls go to why did Salaam or why did?
34:11
But I'm going towards the grave now Amongst the traditions I've
34:16
come across one that says, you know how there is always say
34:19
night and day and there's a whole routine, the souls, the
34:26
traditional. It says that in the evening is
34:30
the time that the souls go towards Wadi bata hood or Wadi
34:35
sell out during the evening. And that's why this call has
34:38
come and say, that's why he noises sometimes at night,
34:41
sometimes it veils arithmetic and he needs some particular
34:43
noises. People that's why they go past
34:45
Wadi Bata hood, that when they would rush at the night time
34:49
because they would hear sounds of pains and people screaming
34:52
and in agony when they go past. What about?
34:56
And they say when when Fedger is about to happen, they return
35:02
back towards their grave and when the sun is up that they're
35:08
in their grave again and the grave in itself.
35:11
What did we say that for the disbeliever, it's a kid of hell.
35:15
So it can be, you know, really squeezing.
35:17
Well, it's like a door. As well you enter that was the
35:20
first you know when you first questioned.
35:22
You open the door, you're in. You're not.
35:25
Maybe it could be. We don't have access to
35:27
everything within Buzzer, but we have glimpses of what it can be.
35:31
But it does say that it returns. So during the daytime, the body
35:34
is connected, but like you said, it's not like a that small hole
35:40
that you it's either expanded, you know, kind of like
35:43
Hermione's bag in in the Deadly Hollows.
35:45
Yeah, with the Prisoner. Of basketball as well.
35:51
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The excess we're talking about.
35:55
For the podcast. Marshall Lassen Abdullah's Got
35:59
World of Norwich and Hogwarts Expendable charm, that is, that
36:06
is. That is had.
36:12
This is a first historical moment.
36:15
This is what they call. Related, If I start saying the
36:17
spell that it was necessary to make that and it becomes from
36:20
the magic, so imagine it because we can fathom it.
36:25
Yeah. The fact that there's a bag
36:26
there that just you open all the tents that they had for the
36:28
Kurdish match. Yeah, for the Kurdish World Cup.
36:31
The tent isn't tiny and you enter it, it's like a three
36:34
story house inside. You know, like we can imagine
36:38
these things that, yeah, that hole for us is that, but it
36:40
expands and that's why we're the traditions that say that the
36:43
Barzak realm in comparison to this realm is the comparison of
36:49
the previous realm to this realm, which is what?
36:52
The realm of the womb. Wow.
36:55
So. The womb can.
36:57
Wound to this universe. It's a realm, Arham okay.
37:02
It's a whole realm where you grow and you go from 1:00.
37:07
Form form exactly to another and you transition and you grow
37:11
during that period of time and every single thing that happens
37:15
affects you. What your mother drinks, for
37:17
example. What she eats, what she's
37:19
around. So that really.
37:21
Does affect of course, of course.
37:24
That's why the half of the Quran, for example, they often
37:27
ask the mother, did you recite Quran?
37:29
We around Quran and then like this guy's learning Quran when
37:32
he's 3-4 years old. How's like, yeah, of course.
37:35
I love Ansari. The great shape of Ansari, when
37:39
he became a murderer, they came to his mother.
37:40
They like to you know are you proud that your son now is.
37:44
I told her he's a murderer for the sheer and you know, she says
37:48
I didn't expect anything less. Like why?
37:51
Because I never breastfed him except that I was in a state of,
37:56
although never I expected this from him.
38:00
Why? Because it all goes into the how
38:02
you're transitioning them, what you're teaching them, what
38:04
you're, you know, empowering them with.
38:07
And so you have that notion that whatever happened there
38:11
transitions into this world and affects this world.
38:14
And that's why when we say that tradition that the example given
38:17
is how big the world is, is I'm are harmed to this island,
38:22
Alamedunia. How?
38:23
How The womb to the universe. Yeah.
38:26
So imagine. But as to this world, if we take
38:30
that tradition, yeah, you know, and try to understand it so that
38:34
this is going to be a. Very silly question by the way,
38:36
if I was just thinking of this while we're having this
38:37
conversation. Apart from us humans, OK, we
38:42
have souls and everything, but you know, as birds.
38:46
There's dolphins, like the old creatures of a lost planetar.
38:49
Do they have souls? I was.
38:51
I was hoping it doesn't say gin. Yeah, my God, that's.
38:54
And Shelly come. Back in a few months, we'll do
38:56
gin as well. No, no, no, I'm not doing.
38:58
That this is enough for me already.
39:00
You've already had the We did gins, but that was.
39:02
Just two of us, I know. So we we're OK now we have it
39:05
was a third. We don't know.
39:06
Maybe there was. Maybe more.
39:08
My God, because there noises as shit is already.
39:11
I've got a few stories for you, Shell for the podcast Australian
39:14
Gins. Interesting question.
39:17
I think we should delve into that when we discuss salts in a
39:19
few few months. Sure, I look.
39:22
Forward to it, yeah, cuz I've also heard the creature, every
39:25
creature, also the suspect to a last point with that.
39:28
So I think like you said everything.
39:30
Has a purpose and a place where there's atoms or or items of
39:35
around us or even like other living creatures you know.
39:39
We also have a purpose towards our last point either.
39:42
One time before before we had this conversation, say it Me and
39:45
Ahmed wanted to talk about death, but I think we wanted the
39:49
theme to be like destination gender.
39:51
I don't know if you remember that.
39:52
Just came to my head right now. Where did this destination go?
39:56
Say Daddy had this. Desire to call This Podcast
39:59
Destination Gender Destination First Touch of my What's up?
40:02
Destination gender say much about how many times.
40:05
Yeah, like I didn't really talk about, did I?
40:06
Just put signs. Yeah, just like just little
40:09
pamphlets. And I I was not having it, I
40:11
generally feel. Yeah, sorry to stop you to
40:13
interject that I generally feel like we're like hardly told
40:16
about the beauty of children, what we told about.
40:19
So it's of hell. It's never what to expect in
40:21
gender. The only thing I've heard is
40:23
like, there's rivers of honey and wine and milk, nothing else.
40:25
So I don't know. Well, I mean like all these
40:29
normalized things that people tell us about, but nothing more.
40:32
Well, we know much of everything.
40:33
We do. We know all.
40:34
The stages, the stations, everything, everything,
40:36
everything. So as in, we don't know.
40:37
Yeah, the layman. Let's say that's maybe something
40:40
we can. Delve into and look into, yeah,
40:42
different levels. There's a lot, there's a lot to
40:45
talk about in this. I mean there's any resources to
40:48
go up levels? Is there any resources you can
40:51
recommend to anyone at home for this particular?
40:53
Topic for afterlife in general? Yes, so.
40:56
Obviously there's. Textbooks about that.
40:59
But if you're just wanting to read, I think we stated that
41:01
earlier. We have the book of Mihad for
41:06
say the story be Shirazi, very nice, not too thick not too
41:11
small and it goes through the stages.
41:13
And Shekhabasokami has one called Menazi Lalhara, the
41:17
stages of the hereafter. So there's nothing nice you can
41:20
access them. You can order them online.
41:22
We sure have Amazon. I should get it from my local.
41:27
Share Bookstore. But they're beautiful books, the
41:30
eye opening and they answer a lot of questions, you know, ones
41:34
that we didn't delve into in the the translated in.
41:36
This is English. Yeah, this is English.
41:38
Yeah, this is English. It just goes to shows well that
41:40
these daytoday things we do daytoday actions, they will all
41:44
play a part at some point, whether we know it or not.
41:47
What you mentioned said about all before breastfeeding, just
41:51
all the young mothers out there, even the fathers encourage,
41:55
encourage, you know, your your, your your families and your your
41:58
spouses to take care of these things because they will play a
42:01
role at some point in the lives of your children when they grow
42:04
up in our akhara as well in Sharla.
42:06
But there's a lot, a lot, a lot of responsibility on us to use
42:11
our time wisely because we will be held accountable for
42:14
everything we did. So we will and I think time is.
42:18
Running out for. So much longer about this.
42:23
Yeah. It needs a thorough discussion
42:26
in Charlotte at some point, but thank you.
42:28
We'll call that destination. Jeremy, thank you.
42:32
As always, we love having your pleasure and we're very honored.
42:35
Hopefully we'll come to you next in Charlotte.
42:36
Hi, Ruby. Have us in in Australia.
42:39
We'll be there. You just you just make the.
42:43
Near show Accenture. After we'll let you ride the
42:48
whole the kangaroo. Yeah.
42:50
And all the I didn't know they had pockets.
42:53
Anyway, that's a different I found out the other thing.
42:56
Did You Know? No, I think you saw that video
42:59
of the guy wearing the clothes and he had a pocket and there
43:02
was a Joey there. And then you opened the the the
43:04
pocket and the Joey just came into the guy.
43:05
Where the Joey, that baby came through.
43:07
Yeah, I should have clarified. That Steve Owen.
43:12
I like you. Oh my God.
43:13
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Alekum to my hero like I to sell out.