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POLI 300: Great Leaders of Men (Right Now) · Boundary Corner Podcast

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Brian seagull. How's it going buddy?
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Well buddy, you tell me you college professor classrooms at
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8:30 on a Thursday night and you're ready to go to the bar
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and they're just keep on hanging out, keep on chatting.
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Yeah. Yeah, it was one of those where
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he probably over planned, what he thought he could get in a
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class and then he kind of got stuck and he's like, I gotta get
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through this, we got a lab on Thursday, so here we are or
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those awesome things. Where 15 years ago you would
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have been like, itchy like did come on I'm gonna go out and
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have some fun now. It's Already pulling pulling a
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pretty long long day as it were coming off a little bit of a
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stomach bug this morning. So, Definitely would have liked
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it to wrap up sooner than later but here we are running a little
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bit late but hey, you do what you got to do, right?
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100% man. You have a good weekend, dude.
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It was pretty good man was pretty good.
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We stuck around here did a little this a little that
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actually went over and hang out with the neighbors for a little
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while on Sunday. They they got one of the
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above-ground pools putting their backyard.
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So had the kids in there enjoying that and you know,
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sipping the few cocktails having some brisket.
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So those are good time but you do this weekend.
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I worked my butt off this weekend.
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The father-in-law is putting. He wants electricity in his
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shed. Ed and so did he, you know he
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works out there he made us a picnic table him and my wife
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worked on that but he needed a trench dog.
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Lucky for me, he got put on trash Duty.
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Yeah, trench Duty lucky for me. His neighbor, who's doing the
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electrical work, was able to get a ditch, which so the majority
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of it, they got cut with that. But the little crevices about
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1:00, I'm cutting the grass. Saturday, jammed, his music
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having fun ring rings. He's my father-in-law.
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Hey, what's up? I need you.
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All right, I'll be right over. And then subsequent part of the
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day, Saturday, part of the day Sunday.
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I'm digging trenches with a pickaxe.
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Shovels post hole digger? So, needless to say, I got some
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good workouts in this weekend, I had some cocktails with the
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neighbors on the cul-de-sac, well Saturday night, dinner club
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and but just a nice normal weekend went to the liquor
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store, start reloading The Liquor Cabinet.
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All right. Talking up, got to, but rolling
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into summer, rolling into, hopefully a college football.
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Season got a stock up, get everything back as it needs to
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be. So, you know, somebody says they
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want a certain cocktail. You're ready to roll.
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Absolutely, man. That's what it is.
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So yeah, the thing at the covid-19 crisis is I was
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starting to build the bar up back in February and March and
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then when it came, I hadn't been to the liquor store but you know
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things are changing. Day for the better.
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Thank goodness and got there got some Gin some rum and some vodka
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got to go back and get definitely a few.
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Oh and some ginger beer was making, by the way.
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Got a new cocktail for you to try.
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Southern Fried Moscow. Mule replace your lime juice
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with limey. Very good cocktail.
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Okay. All right, buddy.
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Well yes sir, it was. Well let's get to it, man.
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In the last. Even days since Sunday.
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The Hokies have had three football commitments.
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Oh man, we're getting into their first before we get into a few
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other things. Let's start with the first one.
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Which was the Friday that we dropped our podcast.
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We knew it was coming with Jalen, but you know, we just,
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you know, you got deadlines, you got to keep a schedule going, so
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we missed it, but we missed it. But we knew it was coming down
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the pike, and we were You know about his confidence.
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One can be heading into into that recording session but you
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never want to put something in the car to head of the horse as
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it is. So we kept that out last time
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and here we are. Now we can celebrate this
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go-round so we do say it. I'll say it man.
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Brothers play for Virginia Tech. Always have always will Jalen
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Stroman, 612 me, I think you should be classified as an
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athlete at 190 out of patriotism.
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At high school notes Ville composite 3-star. 24/7 has him
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three right on the verge of a for obviously younger brother of
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poke. Great NFL Guy, Greg strowman.
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It's a hell of a land in state player.
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Keeps the brotherhood's going and Brian you picked this tape
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out. What do we get in this guy?
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All right, so the big thing that we're going to talk about with,
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is this comparable, so he does not compare to Greg.
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He Compares probably more to Terrell Edmunds.
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Allow anybody else? He's a versatile guy.
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He's a guy. That is a natural safety, but
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can play Corner in a pinch. He's a guy that can fly around
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but also lay a thumping on you. So, I mean, I think just that
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sighs coming out of high school. I think, as you said, Composite
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3 star but he's going to be, he's a guy that's trending
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closer to a 4. If you look at the actual
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measurables and potentially, you know, a consensus for.
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But I think some of the competition that he played in
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high school and things of that nature.
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Some of the more rivals in the ESPN or not giving him quite the
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look that I think a 24/7 is so I think that's probably one of the
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downsides of the, of the composite ranking here being a
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lot lower than what his 24/7 score.
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Or is I think ultimately 24/7. He's going to be kind of that
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tweener between a 3 and a 4 and that's probably where his actual
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skill level is like I said he's a versatile player before you
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even talk about what he can do on the offensive side of the
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ball. So it's nice to have another
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brother, but it's also nice to get a guy like this.
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And again, another Trend that we're seeing, man, versatile
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players on offense, versatile, players in the secondary on
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defense. Yep, you mentioned it before
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something. J Hamm and it seems like that
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he's In for, as he wants guys, that could possibly do multiple
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things which to me, you know, some people say we'll get the
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guy that can do this for best. When you're bringing in the
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versatile guys, with where we are on the depth you figure out
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in the first year year and a half.
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You know what Jaden looks like. He'd be a great Rover but on the
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other hand, hey wait a minute and he can press, he's got the
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body man, let's put him at, let's put him corner and let him
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physical some guys up. So really like that.
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But hey, Brian the hope. He's weren't done, buddy.
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No, they were not. So second on the list there.
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We got a few days later, chance, black commitment.
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Absolutely chance. Blacks out of the PowerHouse
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down in South Carolina, dormant 3 star running back.
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But you look at his tape, he's like another one of your
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favorite guys, that's on the current roster Blackshear, he is
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a 0w. He is an offensive weapon.
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A lot of folks kind of questioning.
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You see a speed is versatility. How is he a three-star?
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And I felt like I've read somewhere and run quickly from
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wrong but he hasn't went to many camps.
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He's kind of not out there, not promote himself.
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He's just kind of like I'm playing football.
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I'm going to go. Yeah, that's a big thing.
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Especially when you're talking about a Robbins rating that's
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going to be lower. If they're not in those camps
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saying with ESPN to a point also, N is not.
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They don't update their rankings very often.
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So once your kind of, you know, pigeon-holed and less, you see
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some really big UPS in your offer list.
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You're probably not going to see a significant bump in your
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ranking. So but yeah looking at the tape
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we're talking about a guy that looks similar to what blacks
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years bringing to us, you know, hopefully this year once he gets
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that waiver I mean you got a guy that can catch catch the ball
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in. He can run routes but he's also
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good between the tackles, he can make guys missing the whole, he
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can make the linebacker Miss and get to the next level.
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So these are all big things for us and we're talking about a guy
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that can make some plays will probably use them, some in the
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Jet Sweep game. You probably even early on his
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career even if he doesn't come out and having every down roll.
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Yeah, I'm not say the one thing I can't watch film.
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Like you, I don't have that. I'm there, certain things, I
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miss is just being a casual fan, but one thing that you do, Not
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miss on tape, is this kid has some Wheels.
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Man, this guy has some speed. I'd love to see what he clocks.
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I'm guessing around in the 44, but what I noticed a lot was the
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cut if you noticed at least, what I was noticing again.
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It's not my trained eye brown, but they were running some of
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those sides own plays and that's what I call them.
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They're like the Zone read, but it's essentially he staying
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parallel. And then, as soon as a hole
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opens up cut, and when you see him make that cut, he's not
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afraid of contact. Numerous times on his film.
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Like there's a guy in front of him.
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He's like, all right dude, boom. He does not shy away from that
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when he sees his Lane he goes so tells me very, very, very good.
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At reading the lanes making decisions.
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And again, I'm still trying to figure out how he's a three-star
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than not going to camp and kind of keeping a low profile.
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Yeah, it looks like we're probably what you're talking
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about is something like a an angle or an outside outside
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zone, so where the target is going to be a little bit wider
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than what you see with your Inside Zone, which is the common
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element of Zone read offense. So you know, I think I think
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what like you're saying there, he's got the speed to get to the
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edge but he can make you miss. He's got good wiggle but he's
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got Breakaway speed to. So I think you know he's got all
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the skills whether he's able to do all of that, in the elite
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level is yet to be seen, but you got to love the skill set that
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he's bringing in absolutely but Brian, we weren't done, but we
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were not Done. No, we weren't matthäus Carol
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weeks, idn at a Gilman. That's a stretch for stretch.
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Gilman pretty good. High school football program up
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in Baltimore, Maryland, 63 220. He commits Sunday and I got it.
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I'm gonna go ahead on the Shelf. This guy, whoever did his video
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that was crisp. And you know, this guy again,
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three-star guy. But you see the tape and you
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hear about some of the other things he does.
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I think he's a guy that could wind up before if we play a
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season. Yeah, definitely, I'm looking at
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the tape. I mean, you know, he's he's
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really got some good things is very to the table and it's
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really going right along with some of the things we've seen
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TNT start to focus on. He's got both height and reach.
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He's quick off the ball. He's got the ability to bend and
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work leverage which probably comes from the wrestling
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background that he has. And as soon as I hear wrestling
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background, I'm thinking great leverage and really good
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conditioning, and it's two things you like to see in the
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defensive end 100%. I'm also think, I think you
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think leverage also think tackling, you think the way
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these guys when they practice, you know, and they're being
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taught rustling, you have to learn how to get to God down
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right now. So, we have his video
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highlights, he literally like flip the guy so, but again, it's
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he kind of has the whole it's, you know, he's athletic.
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He's already got a good frame. He's already got a little weight
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on that frame. He can bend he's a multi-sport
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athlete. You talk about the conditioning
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where you feel. If he even puts on 20 pounds
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with that wrestling background, it's not going to take him long
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to get in playing shape it to 40, verses gaining that weight
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and then trying to figure out how to play with it.
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Because essentially, those guys have to cut weight like crazy
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and gain weight to make classes and stuff, you know, 18 offers,
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you know, Boston College, Louisville pit, South Carolina
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to name a few But again, I'm seeing it more and more
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defensive end. Brian were taken, nobody's under
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six foot to know. So, we're going with, we're
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going with length and we're going with guys that have a
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quick First Step Off the Ball. Which I mean kind of Falls in
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line with what we've been talking about with kind of how
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we finished out. The, the 2020 class and kind of
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we're recruiting has been trending ever since then
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absolutely man. So three big pickups, a few To
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go, people were nervous. Oh God, we're going to be in the
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70s again. Oh God, we're going to be at the
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bottom of the ACC again. Boo, boo, boo, 42 now 43.
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We're creeping up with some very good prospects on the horizon.
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If it attentively go, the Hokies way.
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All right. Yeah, I'll be the big thing,
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buddy. Is that, you know, when you look
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at recruiting, a lot of the people in front of us, weren't
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just based on the average core weren't even ahead of us.
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Some of them were behind this, but they just had a volume
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volume helps, and we're getting volume now.
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So, the volume is definitely, finally, working in our favor
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here, with getting three big pickups back-to-back, especially
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coming on the heels of the Jalen Jones recruitment that happened
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just before last episode. So pretty big stuff.
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Very nice and definitely trending upward.
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I ate Brian The boys are coming back to town, baby.
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Yes, sir. Yes, sir.
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All right, voluntary workouts can commence in Blacksburg into
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this week that's what starting strength and conditioning looks
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like. They are playing it very safe
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with small cohorts, following very stringent public
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guidelines. I don't think me you or any of
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our fans have probably any issues with that.
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And then what Mark Rogers said, just and again, makes Common
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Sense. The first and foremost priority
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is the Health and Welfare of the student-athletes, but Brian
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something happened today. I hope you called it on the
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news. What's going to happen Friday?
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I did not catch a what's happening, Friday, buddy.
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We're going to phase to phase two.
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All right? So these everybody except for
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for downtown r-va and Nova, right?
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That's it. So that kind of tells me that
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areas like the locker room more, common areas, probably the
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workout facilities itself are, probably going to be opening
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sooner rather than later. Because if you cut the read the
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articles about what's going on, they're going to be doing these
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workouts in the beam Our barn, which is a great thing to have,
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they can get the doors open. So you kind of have more of an
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open space than the indoor space to protect these kids.
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I'm sure there's they're going to be getting the test talking
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about 25 to 30 guys, coming back, which a lot of people are
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saying they think it's going to be the guys in Blacksburg.
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That makes sense. They're the easiest to access,
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they're the easiest to get the test see if anybody has it if so
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quarantine. Mm.
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And is the guys start coming back, get on the test.
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If you clear set, a timeframe for you to come on in.
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So I think getting the guys in the weight room is going to be
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quicker is going to happen sooner rather than later.
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It's just kind of Common Sense. Yeah.
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And I think that's going to be a good thing for for everyone
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involved. I know there's other schools
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that are working on similar timetables right now whether
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it's a week ahead of us are week behind us.
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I'm pretty. I know pretty much.
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No one was allowed until yesterday June 1st I guess the
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earliest that that anyone could do anything based on what the
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NCAA had in place, but now that we're starting to open up some
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of these avenues for getting kids back in the weight room.
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I think most of it at least initially is going to be those
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voluntary type activities and then we can maybe work towards
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some more organized or quasi organized activities.
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Once we start getting more guys back on campus and in the NCAA
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starts to evaluate what that's looking like.
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So yeah, I think that's going to be the big pieces, probably
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really over the next three weeks is how the school's come back,
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how the schools are doing it. And then, I think what me and
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you kind of stated we've been kind of hanging around that is I
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think you're going to see two separate training theories.
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I think you're going to have a period in July two or three
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weeks and then potentially either a three-week fall camp
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for a full fall Camp. I think they're going to let the
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I think they're going to open up some Avenues to where it's going
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to be not going to say fair, but it's just going to be more just
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more just just smarter like let the kids kind of build up to get
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there. And they're normally working out
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all the time. They have been doing this
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independently, but not around their strength and conditioning
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coaches, something else and you talk about the different
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situations in coach Fuente made a great point about this thing.
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It's not a uniform situation. Every Single place on every
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single campus has different Dynamics.
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There can be no one set way that it has to be done.
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And I think that's the truth because I'm sure there are some
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schools that are flying more kids in than others.
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So but again, we've been talking about it signs are pointing to
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good things in the fall. Yeah.
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And I think you want to set, you know kind of a A benchmark like
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a low-end of like, this is what minimally has to happen.
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And then from within that decide how you want to approach it,
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depending on your facilities and things that you can do on your
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own campus, but it's like I said, it's just really good to
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finally get moving towards that and as you stated about fall
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Camp, you know, I think it would be good to do like a maybe a 15
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or 16 day period with maybe two off days.
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Where you're working on installation and strength, and
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conditioning, as an organized team, and then maybe having a
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week or two break, and then rolling back into a four-week
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fault Camp before the season starts, that would, that to me
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would be an ideal situation because you could use the first
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two weeks for installation and kind of getting back into the
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swing of things before you start going, you know, hammering it
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each other and pads and fall Camp.
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So let me ask this. Brian honest honest assessment
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If this happens this year, do you think there will be certain
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football programs that will push and say, hey, we think the
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beginning of July would be great for a two-week, minicamp along
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with spring practice. You think this will be something
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that's pushed at the NCAA and again, how tough it was to be
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for the NCAA to say, no, when literally, this is their one of
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their biggest cash cows. Yeah, it'll be interesting to
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see if that's something that they could put forward.
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You know. There's been a large push for
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and I don't know why because it doesn't really apply to a lot of
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other sports, but then there's been such a large push with
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football for kind of the month of June and July to be
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off-limits in the month of Prima pretty much the whole month of
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December, unless you're in a bowl, being off-limits for for
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these football type activities, whether it's got to do.
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Do with exams or wanting to provide some sort of buffer, but
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it would be nice to finally move towards.
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Essentially the sport is year-round.
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Anyway, let's treat it like a year-round sport I agree with
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you, man. All right, well guys, what we're
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going to be doing today is just a little something different
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more, NCAA holistic than hokey focused, couple weeks ago, CBS
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Sports and their college football teams put together, a
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ranking of the top 65 coaches in division.
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One along with Notre Dame coach Fuente is clearly on there.
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We're going to discuss him in just a moment here.
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We're going to About name the CBS Sports top 10, but then
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we're going to name hours because clearly we don't agree
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with everything they say. So we're going to start out here
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with coach for Wednesday's ranking.
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Brian, you saw it? I saw it.
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I'll go ahead and make the announcements.
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He was ranked 37, boo. Okay, Brian.
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Clearly, there is something upsetting you here.
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It's upsetting me too, but since you're booing over there, what
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Actly. What do you think this man
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should be at. All right, so, I mean, I don't,
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I'm not calling him a top 25 coach coming off of the 2018 and
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2019 Seasons that we had. But, but my man has not fallen
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out of the top 30, okay? I'm going to put in, that's a
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2829. Would be a fair raking, so he's
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about 8 to 10 positions lower than he should be in my opinion.
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All right. Okay.
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I'm with you. I think he's a 28 and you're
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ready for it. I got this.
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I got the dissertation here. All right, go for it.
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Bring it to me. Here are the coaches that are
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currently head of him, that have no damn business.
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Being said, there's for Chip Kelly to give it to me.
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Yeah. I mean at some point what he did
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in Oregon can't count anymore or at least not count as much as it
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is right now. Alright next Lane kiffin Ole
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Miss he's already left one d. One job he got fired from
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another on the tarmac and he doesn't have exactly the best
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reputation in the world. So how is he ranked ahead of
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both coasts? It is successful.
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He can make us Sunbelt team kind of disa, interesting.
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Alright next, you ready? Yeah, I like the guys at human
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being good. Coach Russ, start Scott Frost.
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He's not a 15 with Nebraska. They had some players on that
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team and I know he's installing his culture there and he's in,
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and he's in a pretty good conference.
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But 9 and 15, you're going to put him ahead of our coach.
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Yeah, that's the problem I have. I feel like those guys are
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getting way more benefit of the doubt for what they've done.
25:19
Five years ago, yet Foo is getting zero credit for what
25:23
he's done. In the whole five years.
25:25
He's been in Virginia Tech. Plus what he did before that,
25:28
they're pretty much saying, well you had a, you had one really
25:31
bad season in one really bad. Recruiting class.
25:34
All right. We're dropping him fruit.
25:36
Alright, next harm. He's 15 and 11.
25:40
Yeah, you know he was seven and six his first.
25:43
Here. And he was quite a second eight
25:46
and five last year. Hold on.
25:50
Yeah. No, not not quite yet.
25:53
I think her mom, you know, maybe he's the one people want to
25:56
argue with me but he's not exactly lighting the world on
26:00
fire to his credit. He's trending upwards, both in
26:04
recruiting and with on the field product, but I don't think that
26:08
denotes moving him to where he is on the list.
26:12
I think. I think we need to still operate
26:15
a little more cautiously until he's shown.
26:19
He can prove himself as a coach at that level.
26:21
I mean, he's still establishing his own culture and what he
26:26
likes to do and I don't know if you know this or not but you
26:29
play to win the game. Ha ha ha!
26:33
Love it. Brian.
26:33
Love it ready for the next one? Yep.
26:36
Mike Norvell. He needs to prove it.
26:39
You're putting him. Above a coach at the D1.
26:44
P5 level, that essentially has won games and you're sticking
26:48
them ahead because he went to Florida State.
26:49
Come on Mike Norvell is a good coach and he's probably going to
26:52
succeed pretty well at Florida State, but just to jump out of
26:55
the gate and say, oh yeah. Yeah.
26:59
I mean, I think you have to really have a great pedigree if
27:04
you're moving to a power 5 school and you don't have a
27:08
power five resume as a head coach and I don't think his
27:12
previous resume quite justifies, the jump, just because he got
27:16
hired to a power, five job. Yeah, he essentially in the
27:20
credit, Mike Norvell, he essentially walked into what
27:23
Justin Fuente had built that Memphis and he did built upon,
27:26
I'll give him that credit. It but you're going to a whole
27:28
different ball game now. So yeah, I wouldn't mind him at
27:32
like 35 but not ahead of Coach Fuente currently.
27:37
All right, you ready for the next one and this is one of my
27:39
favorites. Tom Herman at Texas with all the
27:43
bleep and talent. All that Talent.
27:45
He's had. He's averaging the same number
27:47
of wins our head coaches. How he's had one ten win season
27:53
way. Second coach Fuente said one ten
27:54
win season hold on. Yeah.
28:00
I mean, it seems like there's a, some sort of curve here, where
28:05
if you coach for a blue blood program, by default, that makes
28:08
you at least five positions higher than what your actual
28:11
ranking should be high. Alright, next, I am Bronco
28:18
Mendenhall. That's that's the controversial
28:21
one that I think people are going to be talking about a
28:24
little bit more. Well, here's where pisses me
28:26
off. He is played to win.
28:27
Like six times he's beat him once and literally he needed the
28:31
greatest single performance in the UVA school history to do
28:36
this and it's not even questionable.
28:39
If you look at Price Perkins performance in the game, that
28:41
was the greatest single performance of any player and
28:44
you put him above, and it's like y'all.
28:47
If we look at these two teams, yes, UVA was in shambles.
28:53
But okay, how do you put them above a guy?
28:56
He can't beat without. Out an unreal performance.
29:00
Yeah, I mean, we're talking about the big picture.
29:02
We're still talking about consistently Virginia Tech out
29:05
recruits UVA. Consistently Virginia, Tech has
29:08
beaten a Bronco coach UVA team relative to a Fuente coached
29:13
Virginia Tech Team. So at some point that has to
29:16
matter, it's like we're glossing over everything else because of
29:20
recency bias and recency bias. Aw man.
29:24
Alright, the last one I had the last Ooh, I have I love pit.
29:29
Pat, Fitzgerald Northwestern. He's won games there.
29:32
But no coach in the top. 25 should have a three and nine
29:36
Seasons. I love the guy.
29:38
He's a hell of a coach in the top 25.
29:41
Go look at all the other guys there Brian nobody's ever had a
29:44
three and nine season this for into their 10 years.
29:48
Yeah. I mean I'm with you on that you
29:50
can't. I don't have a problem with dip
29:53
into maybe like a 5 win or even maybe a for win.
29:56
If you had some really bad injuries on a year that you were
29:59
already predicted to kind of be rebuilding anyway, but you know,
30:05
Virginia Virginia Tech most years can you know, just line up
30:09
and get three wins without even really putting forth an effort.
30:12
So it's really hard to go out and say three wins is
30:16
impressive. No matter who you're playing
30:18
100%. All right.
30:19
In the last one and it's one of those really Arts the crap out
30:22
of me Mack Brown. Well, hold on, first of all, he
30:26
was ranked 42 last year. He is now pop 20 with a seven
30:30
and six record, what? Like I don't And if you want to
30:35
put him at 30 because he did do a very impressive performance
30:39
but also similar to Scott Satterfield who I do admire, he
30:46
essentially got to take over a team that had quit.
30:49
If you have some motivation for some guys, you can get them to
30:51
play hard and they do have some talent and Carol, imma you can
30:55
win to say it guys. Gonna jump 22 spots to the top
30:59
20 with a seven and six record. You have any other than the
31:04
recruiting that we're talking, then we'll talk about, I'm sure
31:07
more a little bit more at some other point, I mean, what is Mac
31:11
done in, you know, the time he's been there that Fedora wasn't
31:14
already doing before he lost the locker room.
31:17
Exactly 100% in. That was the key, lost the
31:20
locker room. And here's the one thing that
31:24
I'll say in its recency bias for you, what coach Fuente had to do
31:29
is come in after a legend and alleging that hadn't Lost the
31:32
locker room since we prank just kind of lost his fastball,
31:36
right? Yeah.
31:37
He comes in and he starts winning. 19 games, is first two
31:40
years. He has that dip, the third year
31:42
to six. And then, yes, did you game
31:45
happened? But I have a question Brian.
31:47
And this is why I do put Fuente about 28 right on the cusp of
31:51
the top 25, how many coaches below him or above him, could go
31:57
to and to and crap that happened to that Duke game and then you
32:01
win More games and you lose three literally on the last
32:06
possession of each of those games.
32:08
How many coaches? It's true, man.
32:11
It's true. It's very few that could really
32:14
turn that around. And, you know, you can credit or
32:17
apply the credit to whoever you want to.
32:19
But at some point, the window was the man at the top, that was
32:22
making those decisions, whether you give more credit to, you
32:26
know, Jerry kill coming in or whether you give some
32:29
adjustments to the way the offensive play calling, Has done
32:32
after that, especially with placing hooker in the starting
32:35
lineup, whatever you attributed to it still goes back to the man
32:40
at the top, making the call. So at some point he has to get
32:43
some credit for that. 100%. All right, so let's move on
32:47
Brian. Let's actually go through CBS
32:49
Sports top 10 just going to name them.
32:53
You can if you want to make a comment more than welcome to
32:56
because after we do that top 10 we're going to go back and forth
32:59
with ours. I think some be a lot of fun
33:01
maybe some I see maybe some other things like.
33:05
So let's start number 10, Ryan day at Ohio State.
33:12
It's not horrible based on recruiting and winning, but I
33:16
just because of how great they recruit.
33:18
I just don't know how great of a coach Ryan day is yet.
33:23
I'd like to see what he does with, you know, it won't happen.
33:28
But I'd like to see what he would do with less Talent.
33:32
So a couple of these guys, I think we mean you might be
33:35
talking about Penn State with James Franklin, I'm here.
33:40
All right, eight is Florida with Dan Mullen number seven and this
33:46
is one to me. I wouldn't put this guy in the
33:49
top 20 right now. Jimbo Fisher, Texas A&M at dude,
33:53
literally burnt down Florida State before he left it and I
33:58
think unfortunately Willie Taggart was not the type of
34:01
Coach to pick up those type pieces.
34:03
Then he goes to Texas A&M and he's done, okay?
34:06
But it ain't like he's in there winning ten, eleven games.
34:10
Of Nick knocking off coach. Oh no.
34:12
I mean he's had a slight uptick in recruiting relative to his
34:16
predecessor and they're giving him a lot of credit for the fact
34:20
that he won an Atty at Florida State in 2013.
34:23
Yep, that's pretty much it. All right.
34:25
Number 6 is Kirby Smart in Georgia.
34:28
Nothing to say with that. Brian Kelly at Notre Dame.
34:34
Uncle Jewel, number four, I gotta try it.
34:39
Lincoln. Riley, three at Oklahoma, dabo's
34:42
number two at Clemson and number one, Nick Saban Alabama, top
34:47
two, should be no no secret here, after most of our
34:50
listeners, I would imagine. Well, let's hope not, um, top
34:54
two for us. I have a feeling may not be any
34:57
different. So, well, Brian, since I made
35:01
that announcement sir, I'm going to let you begin this with your
35:04
number 10 coach. All right, I'm a leadoff.
35:08
I don't think he's in your top ten, but he's in mind.
35:11
I kept Ryan Kelly in the top 10. He's just just made the made the
35:16
cut their biggest thing is, I mean he played for a national
35:20
championship, had his team to the National Championship when
35:24
with Notre Dame, 243 93, and to record as a head coach, he's had
35:30
two AP, Coach of the Year Awards, three Conference titles.
35:34
And I still think You know, they get good recruits but I think he
35:38
also the product that's on the field, they do play pretty much
35:43
on par. If not slightly below, what they
35:45
recruit every year. So it's not like some of those
35:47
other Blue Bloods where you see, you know, a discrepancy between
35:52
the recruiting ranking and the output or like some of the other
35:57
Blue Bloods that just our talent factories that just have have
36:02
recruit after recruit after a crew.
36:03
They're not quite there anymore, but there's So consistent with
36:07
their product. That's why I put it in there,
36:09
got it. All right.
36:10
My number 10 is probably going to be the biggest jumper.
36:14
This guy was in the low 30s, but David, Claussen total record is
36:22
126 and 119 not the most impressive, but he's coached,
36:26
here's the places. He's coach Brian, these places?
36:29
I'm really kind of, kind of, don't care about sports in a
36:32
way. He's coached it for them.
36:35
University of Richmond. Hmm, Bowling Green and Wake
36:39
Forest. He has won at every single one
36:44
of those stops, and I think that's why I have to put in so
36:48
high. He essentially has never got the
36:50
opportunity to coach, essentially, even a high, like a
36:55
mid-level tier one program, but the guy just wins and he pulls
37:00
up sets and he beats people and it Richmond.
37:02
He's essentially created the team that won Mike, London is
37:04
National And ship and and it wake last year, you want to
37:09
games at week? I mean I see that guy and say, I
37:14
could go put that guy on a field of a bunch of two and one star
37:19
guys in any power, five conference.
37:22
And I guarantee you within a few years, he produced, if you gave
37:26
him a consistent top 25 recruiting class every year, he
37:29
could do some damage true. Now let me go back to your Brian
37:32
Kelly Point prize, just on the outside of me.
37:35
I think Brian's hit a ceiling. Also think the one thing about
37:39
Brian, he is kind of slow to make changes and I think with
37:43
the head coach, the one thing that can put these guys in the
37:46
top 10s not being afraid and he's made a few changes over the
37:50
last few years. But I think a couple of them are
37:51
too late because I think you missed a big window.
37:54
All right, who do you want me to do number 9 or should you lead
37:56
again sir, I'll let you leave this time.
37:59
What you got? All right man so I think this
38:01
house on your list so I'll let you give the win-loss record a
38:04
little later, but dude I love Loved and Mullins down in
38:06
Florida and it's not only you talk about his offensive prowess
38:12
when he was with Florida under Urban, but then dude, how he
38:16
molded Mississippi State to compete, not just play compete
38:21
in the SEC West, with the talent, he was getting there.
38:24
That deserves an absolute tip of the cap.
38:27
And then how quick he got the Florida program was kind of
38:30
burning after. After Jim McElwain left, he
38:36
flipped it around ten win season and then in 11 win season
38:40
competing quickly, you know fault with Georgia beat LSU a
38:44
couple years ago fault LSU down in Baton Rouge, I believe this
38:50
year and damn near got them. But he just can coach whether
38:56
it's the top talent, or it's the tier below Talent.
39:00
You could have Dan Mullen team. You better be prepared because
39:03
Cuz that's the type of Kochi is. Yeah, and I'll tell you, you
39:07
said, you thought I had him in the top ten, he was actually
39:10
just missed my top, damn it. I was fighting between him and
39:13
in, Brian, Kelly. All right.
39:16
Well, yeah. And the only knock I have on him
39:18
is that, you know, he's doing great things at Florida, but
39:20
he's doing it, you know, with Florida Rich Talent, getting the
39:24
best recruits from that area. They are the a school right now
39:28
especially with the with Florida State being down in Miami being
39:32
middling, So they are, they are raking in the recruits down
39:37
there and I think that's definitely playing playing into
39:41
a factor. That may have shaded me as far
39:43
as whether to put him or Brian Kelly, and at 10.
39:46
But, but that's where I went. So my nine is actually exactly
39:50
what CBS has James Franklin. So you must have done some
39:57
research before the after the draft episode, because you were
40:02
kind of lower on him. And I told You I was higher on
40:04
him. So did you do some digging you
40:06
little biggest of the big things that I looked at as I looked at
40:08
what he did and Vandy. Okay.
40:10
And that actually impressed me more because I knew he had some
40:13
good teams have any, I didn't realize that they were Bowl
40:16
eligible in the SEC every year, he coached there and he was
40:21
going Toe to Toe. I looked at some of the new, an
40:22
individual games going toe-to-toe with some of the big
40:25
dogs, you know, with severely lower Talent at that point.
40:33
And he showed that he can be a nice recruiter now that he's
40:36
gotten some of the, you know, the money behind him now that
40:39
he's a Penn State. So I think, you know, you put
40:41
those two things together, you know, he can coach and now, you
40:44
know, he can recruit now, you know, at times he comes off
40:48
either, sleazier, cheesy all the easy words.
40:53
He rhymes with those but, and he could potentially take a step
40:58
off this list, if he doesn't start getting some big wins
41:02
against. You know the Ohio State's of the
41:05
world but because he is starting to get the recruits that aren't
41:09
stacking up against OSU but relative to what I think he is a
41:12
coach he should start being able to put them down from time to
41:17
time so I'd like to see them do that with more consistency or I
41:20
might have to move them down but for now nine got it and he is
41:26
he's right outside for me too. And it's the big thing is he
41:29
hasn't gotten the big wins. I know he's beat Ohio State.
41:33
He's better than once, but it's not consistent.
41:36
But the other piece, what? I think where you talk about him
41:40
becoming an ace recruiter, is I think he's kind of overlooking
41:43
dogs and I think you got to still have dogs and I think
41:47
that's why I put him just outside because I think Stars
41:50
matter to him a little more now and and there could be some guy.
41:53
He's that where he used to reveal all you give me that guy.
41:56
He's a football player where it's like he's that I'll take
41:59
the four star, he's a little more athletic.
42:01
All right. So number eight, Brian.
42:03
Lead the way sir. Alright.
42:04
Number eight, I've got Kirby Smart.
42:08
All right, he is Omar little more in 1244 and 12 as a head
42:12
coach. So he's a smaller sample size
42:15
than most of the guys that I'm going to have on my list here.
42:17
But you know he was defensive coordinator.
42:20
When Bama became would Bama is and he's shown aptitude as a
42:24
head coach. They have been consistently
42:27
competing for an SEC Championship since he's been the
42:29
head coach at Georgia. And, you know, he made a big run
42:33
in the college football playoff of me, not many schools can say
42:36
that. It's been such a limited Club
42:40
outside of Ohio State Clemson in Alabama, that any team that can
42:45
make a Deep Run like that. Got to give them some respect,
42:49
you know, he does struggle a lot in big games especially against
42:52
really high caliber competition, like a Clemson or a Bama, but
42:57
I've like what he's doing and I like the trajectory that teams
43:00
on all I've got a little high on my list and I'll hit a few other
43:03
points on that in a few minutes. I got number eight, I got PJ
43:06
Fleck and, you know, people can make fun of his Row.
43:11
The Boat, the way he dresses. Some of the things he says how
43:14
he speaks. But mean all that God, does is
43:17
take programs and flip them from losing to winning really fast.
43:21
He did it at Western Michigan. He's done it at Minnesota.
43:27
He's starting to recruit better at Minnesota.
43:30
And Brian, when I take a look at this guy, we talk about records.
43:34
He's coached at Western Michigan and he's coached at Minnesota.
43:40
They ain't the two biggest programs in the world.
43:43
He's 93 and 70 student 53 and 37.
43:48
That's pretty impressive. And that's counting and 11 loss
43:52
in his first year at Western Michigan.
43:53
When they were a dumpster fire. PK flick actually played the NFL
43:58
a couple of years. She was actually On the 49ers
44:01
have Madden 06. He's on that game, it's pretty
44:04
funny but Homer, I think he understands how to build a
44:09
culture. Another question for me, is what
44:11
Fleck is Minnesota it? Because he choose to stay there
44:15
and build it knowing that what he's doing right now.
44:18
If he does for the next ten years, he'll never have to.
44:22
He never has to worry about another job a day in his life.
44:25
Or is there a bigger field out there?
44:27
So PJ flaking. Number 8, for me, All right.
44:30
Well, I guess I'll let you go with with your seven, then?
44:36
Yeah. Number 7, Kyle Whittingham with
44:39
the Utah Utes man, mr. Consistent.
44:44
He is built Utah into a consistent Pac-12 Contender.
44:47
Since they essentially were taken in there was so close last
44:53
year, so close to potentially breaking through the playoff
44:56
wall his teens. They aren't they.
44:59
Are not flashy, you know, a lot of running the ball, he has sort
45:05
of adapted the last few years to run a little bit more spread.
45:10
But his defense has man, you better be ready to play them
45:14
because they are going to hit you and they're going to hit you
45:20
hard. So be prepped on that and I just
45:24
think he's been doing it so long.
45:26
He's only had like three Bad seasons in place.
45:29
Has to 15 years of coaching, so that's why I put him at number
45:33
7. Okay.
45:36
Okay. I'm going a little bit of a
45:37
different route but kind of the same idea that my seven.
45:41
I'm going Paul crisp. All right, 71 and 35.
45:47
As a head coach two-time, Big Ten coach of the year.
45:52
The man has never missed a bowl since he's become a head coach.
45:58
And the big thing for me is that he is the classic example and
46:02
similar to Frank in a lot of ways especially Peak Frank that
46:09
like really overplaying relative to the town your team.
46:13
So, you know, you look at him and he's still on an upward
46:16
trajectory right now, which is the big thing for me.
46:18
So ten wins. He's at 10 wins four of the last
46:21
five seasons. And you know this is a guy that
46:24
is a you know, a life where it at Madison Wisconsin.
46:28
So, yeah, I think that's a that's a big thing because he
46:30
knows the culture and he knows how to build off of it.
46:33
Absolutely. I'll add a few more things on
46:35
Paul Christian, a little while. He's a little bit higher for me,
46:37
Brian, I hear you got for number six.
46:43
Alright, number 6, G p-- Gary Patterson, whoo.
46:48
All right, that's it. You brought Gary way up game.
46:50
It was like at the back end of the teams for, uh, CBS go.
46:54
What you got on Gary, man? Love Gary.
46:56
All right, so 172 and 70 is a head coach.
47:00
When we think about tenure, you know, him and I infrared.
47:03
So the only two guys that have been at the same place since
47:06
2000. So he took he took over at TCU
47:09
at 2,000. Wow.
47:11
And he's the model of consistency, man.
47:15
I mean he's only missed a bowl. Three years in the 20 that he's
47:20
been coaching as a head coach and he's third of the four,
47:26
third or fourth, in all the totem pole and turn up in terms
47:28
of recruiting the state talent, but he's consistently played
47:32
with or ahead of those other teeth, huh?
47:35
Texas, Texas A&M, I mean, is really the only ones that's,
47:41
that's consistently been ahead of them and sometimes, you know,
47:44
they've clipped them down. You know, Baylor's been up and
47:47
down here and there, but TCU has been the model of consistency
47:50
there. Consistently, you know, second
47:52
or third in that in that conference if they're not
47:55
winning it. So you're not I can look at them
47:57
and see them in the fifth or sixth slot.
48:00
Most years absolutely couple years ago.
48:03
Remember, they got T think, Oklahoma RTC, you got Oklahoma
48:07
and Oklahoma got them back in that championship game.
48:10
My number six, man, he's a little lower on your list, a
48:13
little higher on my list Kirby, Smart, a, he's at his alma
48:17
mater. So there's a feeling that Kirby
48:19
going to be there. A long, long time.
48:22
And he took, that was a very good program under mark richt
48:26
And he's taking them. You mentioned it.
48:29
He's taking them to an elite power program.
48:32
Pretty quick, it wasn't like a five or six year.
48:35
Literally was one down 10K year, boom.
48:39
It's to me that 10 is a testament to the type of Coach.
48:41
He is, he's a damn good recruiter.
48:44
He's a damn, good defensive mind.
48:47
And this year we sort of saw him take a step in the off season.
48:51
In my opinion, he made some changes on that offense and he
48:55
went out and got Jamie Newman. I think we're going to see a
48:58
slightly different Georgia offense.
49:00
This year where I give credit to the head.
49:02
Coach understanding the Saban model from 10 years ago isn't
49:08
working to beat the Elite teams anymore.
49:10
You've got to mix it up, offensive ly so I give him
49:14
credit for that man. All right, is it my turn?
49:17
It's your turn. Yeah, you're going to, you're
49:18
going to take the next. I got number five.
49:20
I'll give you a coach whole down on the body, the head.
49:26
Or people always Rebel about how Coach O is on the recruiting
49:30
Trail. He's just one of those guys
49:31
that, you know, families, kids just they're just drawn to his
49:37
first, tenure down at Ole. Miss was just not good at all,
49:40
but to the kind of guy and you can kind of see it with how he
49:45
coaches, you see him always running.
49:46
They always show this picture them run around LSU's campus, he
49:50
kept grinding and he kept grinding and I kind of wonder if
49:55
a few years ago if you SC. When they put him that interim
49:58
label, if they feel like they missed but also sit here and
50:04
think I think coach oh he went home and he is a perfect culture
50:09
film down state of Louisiana down in the South.
50:14
He also kind of realized last couple years similar worker bees
50:19
doing I gotta change some things on offense and he did it last
50:23
year brought in Joe. Brady good Lord.
50:26
And that was a hell of an offense.
50:30
So I got coach 05 right now. All right, well I'm going to do
50:35
a repeat of what you did a little bit earlier for my number
50:37
five. I've got Kyle Winningham it.
50:39
Okay? And I've got him by record, 131
50:44
and 63. That's so impressive at Utah.
50:47
Yes it is. So impressive.
50:50
So he's only missed two bowls and 15 years and much like I
50:55
was, you know, harping on Gary Patterson.
50:57
They moved from the Mountain West of the Pac-12.
50:59
Just like they booed, you know, Mound West to the Big 12 never
51:04
missed a beat, not exactly were located in what you would call a
51:07
recruiting, hotbed know who now you tada.
51:10
Does overachieve relative to some of their you know
51:14
recruiting rankings in terms of the talent that comes out of
51:17
that state but you wouldn't necessarily call Utah.
51:20
They were recruiting hotbeds so definitely they over achieve in
51:23
that spot. And you know this is a guy that
51:25
spent most of his life coaching in Utah.
51:28
So he knows the lay of the land and he knows how to find those
51:31
Diamonds in the Rough. So I think he does a really good
51:33
job with that and he's also one of the coach, another coach
51:37
that, you know, I think this up a lot but does a lot with a
51:40
little There's not a whole lot that's attracting kids to play
51:44
Utah but yet he's still out there getting it done and he's
51:49
of late. Seeing some upper trajectory he
51:52
would relative to his success in those 15 years.
51:56
So absolutely. Gotta gotta love it.
51:58
Do love coach Whittingham and I don't think I mean I think he's
52:02
there and I don't think you saw is ever going to let him go.
52:04
Because you have that consistency.
52:07
He just ride it, man. All right.
52:09
Brian, who's your number though? All right, now before we got
52:14
this is going to be the smallest resume but probably the highest
52:19
winning percentage, we have on the list Lincoln Riley.
52:23
All right, haga thirty six and six we match on this one like in
52:28
Riley's, not for okay. Okay.
52:30
So what I like to call Lincoln Riley, we're going to call him
52:34
the quarterback Whisperer. Oh, okay.
52:37
Alright. So this Man's coach, three
52:40
years, you coach Baker collar and Jayla they've all been
52:43
drafted. Yes, they have two of them were
52:46
drafted where Curtis 11? Yeah, yeah.
52:49
That's that's a big deal. That's a very big deal and he's
52:54
molded them into a regular season Force.
52:57
They've lost three games in the regular season in his tenure.
53:02
And they can really score some points as evidenced.
53:04
By the way, they run out the scores on a lot of those big 12
53:09
defense has, and they're great at getting the most out of that
53:11
offensive Talent. They really do a good job of
53:14
getting the ball to their Playmakers and letting them make
53:16
plays. It is imperative that he gets
53:19
better against Elite competition because they've made the
53:22
playoffs three years, but they've lost all three years in
53:25
the first round. So, yeah.
53:27
He needs to have some success against those high-caliber
53:30
teams. Like Clemson, Ohio, State and
53:33
Bama. But I think that he can take the
53:37
next step. If he keeps going, you know,
53:40
this is a Mike Leach disciple. So, you know, that they're there
53:44
all about the offense to get points on the board.
53:46
So I'd like to see what he can do next.
53:48
But right now I've got a bit for based on those first Dynamic,
53:51
three years. He said, absolutely, I'm with
53:54
you, man. He's probably the most
53:55
Innovative offensive mind in the college football game right now.
53:59
Also, he was stepping into some Choose when Bob Stoops
54:04
essentially, I mean abruptly kind of retired and then Lincoln
54:09
was named you know, head coach. Because that was remember, it
54:13
wasn't like directly after it was.
54:15
Actually after those around spring when it happened and it
54:18
was just kind of like a, who's this young kid?
54:20
Get. He's a really good OC.
54:21
But man pops do 20 national championships played for a few
54:24
more, you know? Oh, this this is going to be
54:29
this could be bad but he didn't he You to excel, he's actually
54:33
built on what Bob created there to Oklahoma in the early 2000s.
54:37
When they had been down for quite some time since which in
54:40
the 80s but you make a couple points you talk about the big
54:45
games. He's got to get a comparable
54:48
defense, he gets one watch out but I also think he's got a
54:51
growth. There's some games where they
54:53
are up, you know 23 touchdowns and instead of where you sit
54:57
there hey dude, get down a little bit, get down, make that
55:00
other Defense work. And you see them quickly screw
55:04
up the three and out and there's sled that other team back in, or
55:08
they can't stop the run. I remember sitting here watching
55:11
the Kansas State game in the cave last year in Kansas State.
55:15
Literally ran through them like a hot knife through butter.
55:18
Just like we're going to run touchdown, stop us but what that
55:22
tells me is with him, he's so focused on his offense.
55:26
It's probably why he's not three for me.
55:29
First being for is, he's Gotta learn that.
55:33
You're not just an offensive coach anymore.
55:35
You are the head coach, give him credit, he hired Alex Grinch
55:38
hell of a defensive coordinator, but is he going to take those
55:42
steps when he's up 17, 34 17, early third to.
55:46
Hey, let's make this a 7-minute drive.
55:48
Instead of scoring three plays that you got.
55:52
You got to have a middle gear, even when you're a Tempo off at
55:54
you got to have a middle gear where you can say, okay, well, I
55:57
don't need to use the whole clock, but I need to use a lot
56:01
of it. You gotta need to start taking
56:04
my time a little bit more. Sure.
56:07
Go Tempo. Would you get a big play when
56:09
you feel like you got them on their heels but don't just go
56:11
fast, just to go fast. Absolutely.
56:14
Alright, so we're in the top three here for Ian, I will do my
56:17
number three, sort of the Shocker for some people.
56:22
Probably did I get Paul Chris, man?
56:25
You've already mentioned some of the stuff he's done.
56:27
Here and people are probably going to say that's really hard
56:30
for him. But the comparative Talent he
56:35
gets versus where he has to go against against your Michigan's
56:39
against Ohio, State's, you can spin States and how he's done.
56:44
I mean, it's insane. There's a huge Talent disparity,
56:48
but he, competes with those guys.
56:49
And if you remember the Big Ten championship last year, they
56:52
came Square out and punched Ohio State directly in the mouth.
56:57
Ohio State came back in one but watching the first half of that
57:01
game, you kind of thought? Holy crap, are they going to do
57:04
this? Or they they were reeling.
57:05
They were really. They had to really Gear Up and
57:09
figure out what they went to Wisconsin was doing ordered over
57:12
comfortable. Absolutely.
57:13
And then you said it earlier, Paul is essentially a culture
57:18
fit there, he's probably never going anywhere else.
57:22
He played quarterback for the Badgers in the 1980s as think if
57:26
either if it Wasn't right before, it was right.
57:29
After Barry Alvarez took over and started started molding that
57:34
program into one of those programs of the last 25 years
57:37
that really was built. And the big thing for him.
57:44
If he ever gets, if he ever gets just slightly more talent, I
57:48
think Paul Chris, you give him a couple pop 15 recruiting classes
57:53
with Jim Leonard as a defensive coordinator, man.
57:56
Ohio, State Michigan, freaking Penn State better hold their
57:59
pants because a Chris is one of those guys really Miami game.
58:03
And he freaking random damn score up down in South Beach.
58:06
Oh, yeah. I don't think he cares, and I
58:08
think he kind of likes it when some of those flashy big teams
58:11
he gets to put it on them. And he's always going to bring
58:16
that that hard-nosed attacking Style with the with the running
58:20
game. So I mean, you know, that
58:21
they're going to be bringing that element to the game and
58:23
they're not going to step off of that.
58:27
Just because, you know, the games out of hand, they're going
58:29
to, they're going to keep coming at you, absolutely.
58:31
All right. Who's your 33 big?
58:35
000 and, or drop. Okay.
58:38
Yes sir. Go Tigers, anyway, 56 and 36.
58:44
Records are not the most flashy record for the guys that are in
58:49
the, the top 10 here. But what I'm going to point to
58:53
is kind of the success story of his head coaching trajectory
58:58
here. So completely failing at Ole
59:02
Miss completely, he tried to implement that USC style offense
59:07
and it just it wasn't happening and they weren't Stout enough on
59:11
defense to overcome those offensive shortcomings, even
59:14
with some of the talent they had Your to two stints as a interim,
59:21
head coach with success. Both x 6, + 2 6 + 2.
59:26
And I'm going to answer the question for you.
59:28
USC is absolutely kicking themselves for not hiring him as
59:32
head coach after that. Success is interim.
59:37
They got a chance at LSU after, after that second six and to
59:41
stand as an interim and LSU is reap the benefits.
59:44
He's been 34 and And since he's took over in the last three
59:49
years and he's a coach that's really looked at himself in the
59:53
mirror as he's as he's been going along and made changes to
59:57
his approach and made changes to his staff in order to attain the
1:00:01
success that he wanted and say what you will.
1:00:06
But I mean, he's a likable guy. I don't think there's anybody
1:00:09
that is more affable as a head coach in terms of being both,
1:00:15
you know, someone you feel like you have a beard Here with and
1:00:17
be affable. But also a guy that really knows
1:00:19
his shit. Yep, there's really not a
1:00:22
another model for that other than that order on at this
1:00:24
point, got you? Yep.
1:00:26
All right, man. Well, we have kind of reached
1:00:28
the summit here. So our top two and I will let
1:00:32
you leave number two, sir. Again, this is probably no
1:00:37
surprise to folks here, but at to I've got Dabo Swinney same,
1:00:43
so 130 and 31 record. He's got obviously two national
1:00:49
titles at this point. Six ACC titles and three-time
1:00:54
recipient of the Bear, Bryant award the took Clemson from a
1:00:58
middling team to a perennial Challenger for the ACC and then
1:01:02
perennial Challenger for the national title.
1:01:06
Earlier in his career, could get over the hump but he's shown
1:01:09
that he can be adaptable. Both in how we approach is
1:01:12
offense and defense and he's great on the recruiting Trail.
1:01:17
They consistently end up pulling in the top five classes and
1:01:21
that's that's really been a sticking point.
1:01:24
But the big thing is, is his ability to Rally the support for
1:01:30
the team around his vision. And that's what's really I think
1:01:34
separated what he's done in the ACC versus we're kind of
1:01:38
everybody else is a giant step behind them from the financial
1:01:43
alignment. And from the physical
1:01:44
perspective that that fan base carries, both from their
1:01:48
traveling and just the pride, they showing their team, they
1:01:53
become a national brand become because of that, they absolutely
1:01:56
are men and I'm going to say a couple things.
1:02:01
First of all, a lot can be said about Dabo, but you Not deny.
1:02:04
You kind of mentioned, it kind of took affable program that had
1:02:08
some history. Could always get some Talent,
1:02:10
always kind of competitive, and he just found some in the dirt
1:02:14
there down Clemson, you mentioned about the financial
1:02:19
piece and everybody's probably heard the story before Dabo got
1:02:24
into coaching, he was essentially in corporate in
1:02:28
commercial real estate. So when you hear talk about that
1:02:32
money and how we It. If he's doing commercial real
1:02:36
estate, I think he probably saw how corporations was probably
1:02:39
handling their assets. And he probably went down to
1:02:42
Clemson kind of like me and you talked about me and the
1:02:45
corporate world and he said you see that Stadium over there.
1:02:48
We hit that rock. We come down that Hill, there's
1:02:50
80,000 people that's how we bleep in make money.
1:02:54
You're going to give me all the money because if you do, we're
1:02:57
going to create something. And he did create something.
1:03:00
And in my opinion, he's created a second death star in college.
1:03:04
Football because of where they're located, you know, down
1:03:09
in the South but can kind of recruit nationally.
1:03:12
They got a very good school, their small town.
1:03:17
He's putting guys in the pros, man.
1:03:19
Yeah, and you got, you got a combination of the academics and
1:03:23
the the NFL statue that they have.
1:03:27
No, that's that's a big one. Two punch.
1:03:29
And one other piece, you talk about him, getting good
1:03:32
recruits, but only a couple Times has he gotten the top
1:03:35
class? Because I think the one thing he
1:03:38
does that James Franklin needs to think about he still goes out
1:03:42
and get some of those two and three star dogs.
1:03:44
Guys he sees that are just fighting for every inch.
1:03:47
He puts them on the team and almost kind of treat them the
1:03:51
same as he does everybody else where it's I have the to store.
1:03:54
I have the walk on guy while he's the same as you five star.
1:03:58
So consensus consensus. Number two.
1:04:04
There we go. Yeah.
1:04:07
Are you leave with the one eye? Right?
1:04:09
I'll leave man. I mean there's nobody else we've
1:04:12
mentioned. So it's kind of tough.
1:04:14
It's Nick Saban and there's not even a question.
1:04:18
You can love them, you can hate it, but you better respect.
1:04:20
And because this man coach football, Nick is coach college
1:04:23
football, 24 years, Brian, between Toledo Michigan, State
1:04:28
LSU, and Alabama. He has won at every stop.
1:04:33
He has six national titles, but the one thing I give him, I'm
1:04:37
credit for more than anything, especially over the last 10
1:04:41
years. He has learned how to adapt, you
1:04:44
know, he knows how to coach, he knows how to recruit.
1:04:48
He's got to fire, but you know that man is cerebral.
1:04:52
In my opinion, is the top five all-time head coach.
1:04:54
But the one other piece that I think that sometimes might get
1:04:59
overlooked with Nick is, he kind of had a reinvent himself after
1:05:07
what happened Miami any he reinvented himself freely to go
1:05:12
back to more of the coaching because although every Bama
1:05:16
player that gets drafted, does it become a superstar?
1:05:19
You don't find many on that flame out there.
1:05:22
Usually consistently good players and I think that kind of
1:05:26
tells me that when he went back to the college game, it was I'm
1:05:29
going to teach these guys how to play football.
1:05:31
So when they walk in the NFL locker room, even if they aren't
1:05:34
the star, they're going to be on the squad, five or six.
1:05:37
Ears. I've got him at one as well.
1:05:40
We're consensus on onto and one here.
1:05:43
Record wise to 4365 and one, that's ridiculous. 24 years of
1:05:50
education, that's ridiculous. 8 SEC.
1:05:55
Championships in 20 years to Walter Camp trophies for time
1:05:59
SEC coach of the year, I mean, at this point he became like
1:06:03
LeBron and m.j. were where they just got tired of giving them
1:06:06
the trophy every year. So they'll Like Wilson, got to
1:06:08
give it to somebody else for now because you know, they wanted
1:06:10
three years in a row or two years in a row stuff like that.
1:06:13
So I'm honestly surprised how long he stayed at Bama after it?
1:06:19
It goes back to the reinvention point that you were talking
1:06:22
about is that he wasn't really at any stop for longer than 4
1:06:26
years. Before this current state of
1:06:29
Alabama. And I think like I said, it goes
1:06:33
along with what you're saying about the Reinventing.
1:06:36
He's definitely changed his approach to the game.
1:06:40
I think he really wants to build a program where it's about guys,
1:06:46
that end up having success. After they leave, Alabama, I
1:06:49
think winning has been a byproduct of that, but he's
1:06:53
trying to get the best guys in house and Coach them up so they
1:06:56
can have success with them. Next Level now, ultimately,
1:06:59
that's sometimes stung him because you know you've got a
1:07:02
talented roster of guys that want to play and they can all
1:07:05
play at the same time but sometimes that happens.
1:07:09
But the thing that has always impressed me and Curtis we
1:07:12
talked about it a bunch of times especially before the playoff
1:07:15
was put into place when he's got more than 10 days to prepare for
1:07:19
you. Oh, Lord, he is damn near on V,
1:07:21
is he is unbeatable. It's not even a joke, man.
1:07:28
I mean, it's crazy because you see he has all your little
1:07:32
tricks and everything figured out when that happens.
1:07:36
I mean, it's wild in, you know, being Virginia Tech fans since
1:07:40
he's been at bamboo. We've seen him opening weekend
1:07:42
twice. And man, you know, 09, we had
1:07:47
them but he got us in in 12 when we were not as talented.
1:07:52
You could tell, you know, he was prepped for what we were going
1:07:57
to. To do its kind of unfathomable
1:08:01
that again. It's my put about he's fire.
1:08:03
You see him scream at the sideline, he gets mad, but he's
1:08:06
cerebral. And when he had the chance to
1:08:08
look at what he can do to you over the course of a few weeks,
1:08:12
he's going to figure it out. So on the other side, you better
1:08:15
bring your A Plus because he's going to bring his and his boys
1:08:18
are going to execute and you're probably not going to win.
1:08:23
Can we also talk about with any other head, coach of had the
1:08:26
balls to put to end in that national championship game?
1:08:29
No, no, no. But he's been so long episode.
1:08:45
He expected it to be over an hour, man, but, no, we put in
1:08:51
some time there. And you talk about where we have
1:08:54
our Coach, Frank that we look at the top ten, we're talking about
1:08:57
the attributes, we see there. It's a lot of fun to do
1:09:00
something like this. So guys what we're going to ask
1:09:03
you is have fun tomorrow when we have funded and we drop this who
1:09:07
are your top 10 current and into a a football coaches you know
1:09:13
will post hours out there. I'm sure that I'm sure I'll get
1:09:17
flak for 10 and a heartbeat from a few people but you know, it is
1:09:20
what it is. So who's the top?
1:09:23
Ten NCAA football. Coaches going into 2020 tweet at
1:09:27
us. That Brian.
1:09:29
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1:09:32
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