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Speaker 1: Peter Kremlin live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, welcome to the show, great tap your company.
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Speaker 2: I'm coming to you tonight from Parlament House in Canberra.
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Speaker 2: I will explain why in a moment. Here's what's coming
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Speaker 2: up tonight on the show. Amidst all the confusion over
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Speaker 2: status of those Isis women, some people might have forgotten
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Speaker 2: the barbarism these women left Australia to participate in. So
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Speaker 2: tonight will remind people joining me in a Syrian refugee.
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Speaker 2: He knows all too well the carnage Isis caused and
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Speaker 2: I ask her, if you want to give the message
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Speaker 2: to the Prime Minister, what would that message be more
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Speaker 2: paying for Australian household Real wages go backwards for the
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Speaker 2: first time since twenty twenty three. Inflation's up, so two
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Speaker 2: are mortgage rates and our official confirmation that wages can't
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Speaker 2: keep up. Angus Taylor's got a strong economics team now
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Speaker 2: so well. The Liberals finally take the fight up to
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Speaker 2: Jim charm plus the as downing hypocrisy out of Senate estimates,
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Speaker 2: as the Greens and Labor MPs demand transparency from those
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Speaker 2: opposing renewable projects but no such transparency from the cash
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Speaker 2: dub green groups. I'll show you that a bit later.
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Speaker 2: And as pressure continues to mount, the Prime Minister's language
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Speaker 2: on the isis Brides gets more and more contradictory by
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Speaker 2: the day. Sticking with that, the isis Brides fiasco deepened
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Speaker 2: today with the Prime Minister still insisting that the government
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Speaker 2: is not helping with their repatriation. But that's a lie
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Speaker 2: because under any reasonable definition, helping someone get the Australian
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Speaker 2: passport and citizenship needed to land here off an international
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Speaker 2: flight is assisting with repatriation. Put simply, without Albow's passport
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Speaker 2: in their hands, these Islamic state radicals would have no
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Speaker 2: way of boarding a plane, let alone landing in Australia.
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Speaker 2: So don't be fooled by lines like this from the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister trying to sound tough when in reality he
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Speaker 2: is bending over backwards for these women.
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Speaker 3: Were providing no assistance to these people, and won't provide
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Speaker 3: any assistance to these people, but we won't breach Australian law.
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Speaker 2: And look, it's not just the Prime Minister, as revealed
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Speaker 2: to you here last night, so too doctor Jamal Riffi,
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Speaker 2: a staunch defender of Immigration Minister Tony Burke, who has
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Speaker 2: also reportedly traveled to Syria to help these women return,
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Speaker 2: and if reports are accurate, it's been RIFFI who's handed
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Speaker 2: them their new passports. Today the ABC reported that the
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Speaker 2: manager of the Syrian camp said this of these women,
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Speaker 2: and I quote the Australian government had prepared the camp
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Speaker 2: residents passports and travel paperwork and suggested that their families
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Speaker 2: collect these documents, presumably before going to Syria to deliver them.
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Speaker 2: So it's interesting, there, isn't it that she used the
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Speaker 2: repatriation word. In Syria, they're calling it repatriation only in
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister's office, they are not. Now the first
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Speaker 2: question for a government that claims not to be assisting
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Speaker 2: in these terrorist sympathizers repatriation is how these passports came
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Speaker 2: to be issued in the first place. To obtain a
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Speaker 2: passport in Australia, an applicate needs original copies of documents
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Speaker 2: such as a birth certificate or a naturalization certificate or
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Speaker 2: a previous passport. They also need a guaranteur to vouch
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Speaker 2: for their identity, and then it is mandatory now I
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Speaker 2: repeat mandatory for the application to be lodged personally at
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Speaker 2: an embassy. In this case, personal lodgment would not have
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Speaker 2: been possible because there's no Australian consular presence in Syria
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Speaker 2: and the residents in these camps have been kept up
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Speaker 2: until now in detention. So how and why have the
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Speaker 2: legal rules here been circumvented and which Labor Minister, and
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Speaker 2: we deserve to know names has been the rules? Is
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Speaker 2: it Tony Burke as a quid pro quo for Jamal
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Speaker 2: Riffei defending him at the last election. We've put questions
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Speaker 2: to Burke about this, and we also need answers as
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Speaker 2: to how any of these people could have lodged a
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Speaker 2: valid passport application without any of the documents needed, the
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Speaker 2: birth certificate, the guaranteur of identity, because almost certainly the
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Speaker 2: documents that they took with them when they joined is
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Speaker 2: laving state a decade ago would have long been lost
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Speaker 2: or destroyed. Now someone's overseas and they've got an urgent
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Speaker 2: need for an emergency passport that can be issued. But
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Speaker 2: two things must happen here. It first requires them to
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Speaker 2: have a valid passport in the system, not necessarily in
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Speaker 2: their position, obviously, but in the system, and to get
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Speaker 2: it done. To make it happen, it requires the very
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Speaker 2: intervention of officials that the Prime Minister insists is not
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Speaker 2: doing now. Alternatively, the government could issue what's called official
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Speaker 2: facilitation letters that request local authorities to facilitate travel through
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Speaker 2: a country or to border an aircraft in order to
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Speaker 2: reach an Australian embassy and get a passport. However, to
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Speaker 2: work these facilitation letters usually require high level diplomatic coordination.
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Speaker 2: In other words, again a sort of government assistance that
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister again today denies he is providing. So
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Speaker 2: where are the specific questions to the Prime Minises Burke
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Speaker 2: that I am raising here for them to rule out
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Speaker 2: this sort of support. Also today the Prime Minister insisted
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Speaker 2: that Australian citizens are automatically entitled to have passport's issue.
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Speaker 2: But since when has this been doable through relatives or
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Speaker 2: indeed through Tony Burke's political ally, doctor Riffe.
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Speaker 3: The inform him that to have received passport, So ing
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Speaker 3: government is helping in that respect, No people are having
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Speaker 3: an implementation of Australian law, is what is happening.
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Speaker 2: What's more, for all this talk about applying the law,
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Speaker 2: the prime Minister's conveniently forgotten. He already has all the
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Speaker 2: powers he needs to refuse these women a passport and
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Speaker 2: that's because all of these women left Australia to travel
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Speaker 2: to a terrorist controlled war zone and that's a breach
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Speaker 2: of Australian law under the Passport's Act, meaning Alm and
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Speaker 2: Easy could stop these women come into Australia under existing laws,
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Speaker 2: but he doesn't want to it chooses not to despite
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Speaker 2: the grave risk they all potentially pose to this country.
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Speaker 2: Here is format Detective Superintendent David Craig making this very
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Speaker 2: sober assessment on my show last night.
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Speaker 4: It's my opinion that every single one of these isis
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Speaker 4: brides is either fully radicalized or subservient to those that are.
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Speaker 4: That's the only way you could end up in this
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Speaker 4: trying to be part of Islamic Caliphate and leave a
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Speaker 4: peaceful country to go and do so. Now, if they're
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Speaker 4: either of those two, they are on an unacceptable risk.
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Speaker 2: And this too on their trophi's status amongst Islamists in Australia,
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Speaker 2: and so to their children, some of whom are close
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Speaker 2: to adulthood.
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Speaker 4: They come back with a lot of credibility, if you like,
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Speaker 4: in radical Islam because they've actually been there. They actually
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Speaker 4: were part of the g hard for these kids to
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Speaker 4: be raised with that mindset and now come back to Australia,
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Speaker 4: how are they It's not fair to try and expect
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Speaker 4: them to integrate fairly or be treated fairly by the
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Speaker 4: Western by Western society when they come back with that
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Speaker 4: sort of evil, evil credibility.
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Speaker 2: David Craig, a former AFP Australian Federal Police expert encounter terrorism.
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Speaker 2: That's his view. He knows what he's talking about. Let's
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Speaker 2: never forget ISIS wanted these women to leave Australia to
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Speaker 2: engage in GHRD, to join a terror organization, to breed
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Speaker 2: the cubs of the Caliphate. They were called to breed
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Speaker 2: the next generation of killers. It wasn't just terrorists that
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Speaker 2: ISA sought to recruit in the West, but women to
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Speaker 2: breed radical Islamic hate. When pushed about the involvement of
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Speaker 2: a longtime political ally, doctor Riffi in helping these terrorists sympathiz,
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Speaker 2: Tony Burke claimed ignorance, telling the media has got no
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Speaker 2: idea if Riffy's overseas and that he hasn't discussed any
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Speaker 2: of this with him. Well, what a croc. Tony Burke
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Speaker 2: is the Home Affairs Minister. He would have access to
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Speaker 2: any passport movements by Riffy. He would be able to
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Speaker 2: find out within minutes if Riffy's left the country and
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Speaker 2: in what country he now might be. Indeed, if you
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Speaker 2: or I had allegations level to us about someone we
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Speaker 2: were close to, the first thing we would probably do
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Speaker 2: is call them an ask, couldn't we The fact that
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Speaker 2: Burke hasn't called Riffy is because he doesn't want confirmation
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Speaker 2: that it is his mate in Syria, or he already
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Speaker 2: knows he's there. Because Burke has been found out before
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Speaker 2: having closed door meetings with Riffy that he tried and
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Speaker 2: failed to keep secret. Today too, the new Shadow Defense
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Speaker 2: Senator James Patterson demanded that the government issue temporary exclusion
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Speaker 2: orders to stop the return of these women.
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Speaker 1: Temporary exclusion orders are a very important tool that is
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Speaker 1: designed to keep Australian safe. It appears that they're associated
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Speaker 1: with the listed terrorist organization ISIS, which is a crime.
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Speaker 1: It is possible that they breached the Declared Area Provisions,
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Speaker 1: which was which prevented Australians from going to Iraq and
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Speaker 1: Syria during the period of Islamic State, and it's also
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Speaker 1: possible that while they were there they participated in the
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Speaker 1: crimes of ices.
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Speaker 2: Late this afternoon we learned that the government has indeed
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Speaker 2: sought one of these very orders to block one of
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Speaker 2: the women, just one, from returning to Australia for at
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Speaker 2: least two years now. There are two important points to
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Speaker 2: make following this us this afternoon. The first is that
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Speaker 2: clearly the government seems to have issued passports to these
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Speaker 2: women before they did any security assessments, and now they're
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Speaker 2: issuing this order to keep one of them because she
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Speaker 2: is a security risk. The second point I want to
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Speaker 2: make if the government can keep one out, it can
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Speaker 2: keep them all out, as they must, as Britain and
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Speaker 2: many other countries have done and continue to do, and
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Speaker 2: as Australians clearly expect their government to do, especially after
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Speaker 2: the Bondai massacre. These are known Islamic State women and
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Speaker 2: we have clear links, as alleged by police and intelligence
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Speaker 2: agencies in the court this week, between the alleged Bondi
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Speaker 2: gunmen and is Lambing State. If the police are right,
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Speaker 2: Islaming State was the genesis of December's terror attack in Sydney,
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Speaker 2: So why on Earth would we allow back into this
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Speaker 2: country anyone man, woman or child connected with this terrorist organization.
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Speaker 2: I mean, how stupid are we? It's bad enough that
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Speaker 2: labor is doing what they are doing, it's even worse
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Speaker 2: that they've been caught out lying about it and they
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Speaker 2: are still trying to cover it up. But a lovely
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Speaker 2: day with our Canberra Bureau today. Jusit across what's happening
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Speaker 2: up here. Here's our Skynace political reporter Cam Redden with
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Speaker 2: the headlines good Evening.
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Speaker 5: A person attempting to travel from Syria to Australia as
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Speaker 5: part of a so called isis Bride cohort will be
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Speaker 5: blocked from re entry. Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke tells
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Speaker 5: Sky News one of the thirty four individuals attempting to
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Speaker 5: leave Assyrian camp has been issued a temporary exclusion order
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Speaker 5: blocking their entry to Australia for two years, But on
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Speaker 5: whether others could be issued, the minister says, at this stage,
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Speaker 5: security agencies have not provided advice that other members of
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Speaker 5: the cohort meet the required legal thresholds.
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Speaker 3: We will implement the law to its fullest capacity. You
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Speaker 3: make your bed, you line it.
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Speaker 5: A police investigation is underway after an offense conference in
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Speaker 5: Canberra was evacuated during an address by the Defense Industry Minister.
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Speaker 5: Sky News understands reports of a suspicious package triggered a
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Speaker 5: sweep of the room, police deciding a more thorough search
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Speaker 5: was required. Pat Conroy's speech had to be shut down
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Speaker 5: and several hundred attendees evacuated.
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Speaker 6: Police located a number of suspicious baggage items that were
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Speaker 6: left unattended within one of the conference rooms. Those bags
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Speaker 6: were processed and cleared by our bomb staff.
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Speaker 5: Earlier in the day, a rock was thrown through the
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Speaker 5: venue window, causing damage.
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Speaker 6: Two males attended at the rear of the premises here
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Speaker 6: and through items at one of the doors.
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Speaker 3: That does nothing to advance a cause, that just alienate people.
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Speaker 5: Camaron Reddin's Sky News Canberra, All right.
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Speaker 2: Join me? How to go through all of that and more?
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Speaker 2: National Affairs editor at The Day Telegraph, Sky News host
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Speaker 2: James Morrow, and senior fellow at the Men's Research Center,
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Speaker 2: Nick kita Well James I said, this afternoon around four o'clock,
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Speaker 2: we got news from the government that there is one
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Speaker 2: temporary exclusion order on one only of these women Islamic
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Speaker 2: State women I don't like the term isis brides. But
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Speaker 2: when the PM's language changes as it does and gets
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Speaker 2: more and more contradictory by the day, he says, you
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Speaker 2: know they're going to face the full way to the
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Speaker 2: law that they you make your bed, I think, he said,
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Speaker 2: and July in it. Well, they'll be lying in a
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Speaker 2: bed in safe old Australia. The country they left is
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Speaker 2: values they rejected. How's that going tough on them?
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Speaker 7: Well, it's absolutely not. And everything you said in your
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Speaker 7: editorial was completely correct, Peter about the process for these passports.
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Speaker 7: It's not at all like you know, you or I
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Speaker 7: being said in London and we lose our passport or
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Speaker 7: we get ripped off or something and you go to
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Speaker 7: the embassy or the High Commission you get a new one.
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Speaker 7: It's not like that at all. We have had so
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Speaker 7: much murkiness around these cases for us so long. We've
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Speaker 7: had all the weird stories about Burke asking the people
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Speaker 7: to leave the room when he was having the meeting
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Speaker 7: about these people that bring them back. We've had now
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Speaker 7: the interventions of Jamal Riffey apparently. And then there's also
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Speaker 7: other things too. Section fourteen of the Passport Act allows
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Speaker 7: the minister to say this person cannot get a passport.
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Speaker 7: We will not give them a passport to return to
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Speaker 7: Australia because we think this person may cause harm to
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Speaker 7: Australia or Australians. It's very simple. They had the ministerial
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Speaker 7: authority not to do this. To act like, oh no, no,
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Speaker 7: their Australians were obligated to give them passports is absolutely
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Speaker 7: not true.
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Speaker 2: Is an absolute lie. I went through that exactly the
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Speaker 2: points you're making now, and also the point I made
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Speaker 2: about the evidentiary burden. How do they satisfy the identity
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Speaker 2: checks and you know, the birth certificates, naturalization certificates. We
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Speaker 2: don't even know who these women are really. I mean,
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Speaker 2: they might say who they are, but there's no biometric
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Speaker 2: testing or any of the other things we can use. Nick.
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Speaker 2: Because they've been in detention, they've been inside a caliphate
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Speaker 2: for some time in the United Kingdom, they refuse to
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Speaker 2: take these women back. Now. I played a grab there
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Speaker 2: last night from an interview with an AFP detective who
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Speaker 2: said these women are and he's an expert. These women are,
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Speaker 2: he says, either likely to be radicalized themselves or under
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Speaker 2: the control of someone who is a radical So why
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Speaker 2: take the risk and bring them back here, particularly given
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Speaker 2: this group and what happened in Bondai are allegedly connected.
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Speaker 8: I'll put it in another way, and so it's highly
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Speaker 8: unlikely that they haven't been radical lives. I mean, you
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Speaker 8: just think that's part of it, right, You're right. We
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Speaker 8: know nothing about these women. Apparently they haven't been interviewed
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Speaker 8: for three years by the Australian authorities. We can't even
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Speaker 8: see their faces, by the way, Peter, at least not
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Speaker 8: in those pictures that we see. I'm really questioning the
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Speaker 8: role Attorney Burke in this. He has a definite conflict
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Speaker 8: of interest here. On the one hand, he is an
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Speaker 8: MP for an electorate with twenty five percent from the Muslims,
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Speaker 8: including a lot of these really radical hotbeds around Bankstown
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Speaker 8: that's in his election. Yes, So on the one hand,
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Speaker 8: he's getting lobbied on behalf of his constituency who is
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Speaker 8: supposed to serve. He's getting lobbied by people like Jamal
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Speaker 8: Rufi to bring these people back, And on the other
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Speaker 8: hand he's having to make an interest in the national interest.
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Speaker 8: And I just think those things are incompatible. I think
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Speaker 8: they wouldn't be in a man with different character, But
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Speaker 8: with Burke, I think he's prevely preproved that he crosses
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Speaker 8: the line on this time and time again, and it's
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Speaker 8: kept secret. I'm very concerned about this.
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Speaker 2: And James, you mentioned the secrecy of the meetings that
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Speaker 2: we only found out well after the event. He booted
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Speaker 2: officials out of the room. He said the note takers
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Speaker 2: need to leave, and that Responsibil is hiding from the cameras.
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Speaker 2: But that response that he put out in writing in
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Speaker 2: relation to the whereabouts of Jamal Riffi, who's not answering
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Speaker 2: media cause, Well it's interesting, isn't it. He says, I
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Speaker 2: don't know where he is and we haven't spoken for
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Speaker 2: some time. Well, you're the Home Affairs minister. There's a
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Speaker 2: computer down in your desk and in the department that
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Speaker 2: can tell you exactly if his passport has been used.
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Speaker 2: They can tell you what borders he has crossed. Well,
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Speaker 2: he needs to answer that question and is the reason
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Speaker 2: he hasn't made contact with Riffi because he doesn't need
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Speaker 2: to ask him where he is he knows.
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Speaker 7: Yeah. Well, I mean again, these are all very murky,
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Speaker 7: murky questions and the engagement with Jamal Riffe into this
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Speaker 7: adds a really new and I think concerning wrinkle here because,
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Speaker 7: as Nick said, Tony Brooks constituency as a very large
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Speaker 7: Muslim population. There are elements within that population that have
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Speaker 7: had ties to Issis. We know that ten years ago
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Speaker 7: this area of Sydney there was an awful lot of
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Speaker 7: people who were trying to get out there and go
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Speaker 7: and join up with Isis. This creates all sorts of
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Speaker 7: issues for Tony Brooke. We need to know more. I
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Speaker 7: don't trust him. He's a slippery character on a lot
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Speaker 7: of this stuff here. We need to know what has
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Speaker 7: gone on here and we also need though. I think
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Speaker 7: it's not enough though, for the Prime Minister to shovel
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Speaker 7: this off on Tony brook here, because he's the ultimate
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Speaker 7: responsible figure here. You know, he needs to be able
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Speaker 7: to say yes, he is that these people, why are
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Speaker 7: we bringing them back? What interest is being served with them?
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Speaker 7: It reminds me of the three Thousand Gardens. What interest,
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Speaker 7: what Australian interest is being served by doing this? I
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Speaker 7: can't see one, Peter.
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Speaker 2: And I don't want any homespy niokl stuff words of
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Speaker 2: wisdom from his long departed mother. I want advice coming
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Speaker 2: out of his National Security Committee meeting. Quite frankly, I
19:48
Speaker 2: want to know that that meeting has been held. I
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Speaker 2: want to know that all the ministers around the table
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Speaker 2: have looked and assessed the risk. And these are minuted,
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Speaker 2: formal cabinet decisions taken by the Prime Minister. Because this
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Speaker 2: home spun stuff we're getting on breakfast television doesn't cut
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Speaker 2: their mustard for me. Let's go to subeconomic issues, Nick,
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Speaker 2: because real wages today, the announcement is in the data.
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Speaker 2: They've gone backwards for the first time since September twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty three, another sign that proves that households are under
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Speaker 2: the pressure. They feel the runder. Well, there's the data.
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Speaker 2: Inflation's up, mortgages are up, and now, of course wages
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Speaker 2: are down. And this is where the Coalition really needs
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Speaker 2: Tim Wilson to go hard.
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Speaker 8: He has to, and I'm sure he will a slight
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Speaker 8: nuance on those figures you just quoted, Peter. If you're
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Speaker 8: in the public service, then you are. Your wages are
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Speaker 8: ahead of inflation. They went up by four percent as
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Speaker 8: opposed to three points at four for the rest of us.
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Speaker 8: So they're sitting pretty and that's largely due to a
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Speaker 8: lot of the measures of governments put in to increase
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Speaker 8: the wages of people in the care sector. But you
20:51
Speaker 8: know that of course adds to inflation, it adds to
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Speaker 8: debt and so forth. So it's a very bad picture
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Speaker 8: for anybody who works where productivity is the key to
21:01
Speaker 8: be getting a wage increase. In the private sector, you know,
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Speaker 8: there's no way employers can be expected to give wage
21:08
Speaker 8: rises at this point, whereas, of course in the public
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Speaker 8: service there's a very loose connection between productivity and wage rises.
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Speaker 2: And the former governor of the RBA, Peel Low, has
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Speaker 2: made this point. He's talked about productivity, but he's warned
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Speaker 2: very strongly the government spending is feeling inflation and he said,
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Speaker 2: unless this is dealt with, you know, the idea that
21:30
Speaker 2: you can keep throwing money and handouts at the problem
21:33
Speaker 2: are just not sustainable. They will cause inflation to spike
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Speaker 2: even further. But listen to just how dismissive the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister was today when asked about this. Do you making
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Speaker 2: pil Low's comments?
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Speaker 9: Is he just lobbing bombs or is your government spending
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Speaker 9: actually burning the economy?
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Speaker 3: I haven't seen his comments, but you know, Phil Low
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Speaker 3: the footballer, former Manly player or former RBA governor.
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Speaker 10: You know, you have you.
21:59
Speaker 3: Have people who are exes to get their name in
22:02
Speaker 3: the pipe up.
22:05
Speaker 2: So I'm spinning nonsense, James. Yet again people are hurting.
22:09
Speaker 2: It's just missing.
22:10
Speaker 7: It's not just you know, compspah nonsense. It's really really disrespectful.
22:15
Speaker 7: I think to every single Australian family who's out there
22:19
Speaker 7: right now, and you know it does not have to
22:22
Speaker 7: be this way. Australia is now in a really unique position.
22:27
Speaker 7: We are going backwards. Our real wages we saw, they
22:30
Speaker 7: are now going backwards. And for as long as this
22:33
Speaker 7: government has been in power, they've been saying, oh no,
22:35
Speaker 7: it's international circumstances. Oh no, it's Ukraine. Oh no, it's
22:39
Speaker 7: Trump's tariffs. No nonsense. And I think Philip Low build
22:43
Speaker 7: the cat on this here. We now know that eight
22:45
Speaker 7: out of ten jobs that are being created in this
22:48
Speaker 7: economy are somehow tied to the government. What's worse, So,
22:51
Speaker 7: what's more damning is we know that in the US
22:53
Speaker 7: over this same period of time, real wages have gone
22:56
Speaker 7: up one point five percent. I think in New Zealand
22:59
Speaker 7: it's zero point seven in the UK and Canada zero
23:02
Speaker 7: point eight percent. This is not some global economic crisis.
23:06
Speaker 7: This is local mismanagement. This is local government spending. This
23:10
Speaker 7: is local overregulation that is driving this economy into a ditch.
23:14
Speaker 7: Tim Wilson has his work cut out for him. I
23:17
Speaker 7: think he is a great pick and a really really
23:19
Speaker 7: really look forward to him prosecuting the case and taking
23:22
Speaker 7: it up to Jim Chalmers in question time when Parliament resumes.
23:28
Speaker 2: It'll be a big job, but I think he'll certainly
23:30
Speaker 2: give it a shake. I'll leave it there now, gentlemen,
23:32
Speaker 2: thank you. Let's come back to camera. Currently, Senate inquiries
23:35
Speaker 2: underway into climate integrity, misinformation and disinformation. Now, as you
23:40
Speaker 2: can imagine, bet you're not surprised here. There's an inherent
23:44
Speaker 2: bias in all of this when it comes to the
23:45
Speaker 2: scrutiny of those who oppose massive renewable projects versus the
23:50
Speaker 2: proponents of such schemes, particularly those who are set to
23:53
Speaker 2: make big money from subsidies. Many of you will recall
23:57
Speaker 2: Alex O'Brien who was part of the team called Responsible Future,
24:02
Speaker 2: a community group that stood against a massive wind farm
24:06
Speaker 2: off the Lawara Coast in New South Wales. Just listen
24:09
Speaker 2: to how he was treated when he raised the very
24:11
Speaker 2: valid point about the financial transparency of these climate groups.
24:17
Speaker 2: I noticed, are you able to provide a list of
24:19
Speaker 2: your finances going back the last two financial years?
24:22
Speaker 11: If we've we mentioned the same thing in the New
24:24
Speaker 11: South Wales inquiry. We're more than happy to provide our
24:27
Speaker 11: financials and statement on our donators, as long as the
24:30
Speaker 11: very groups that we're fighting against on this issue in
24:34
Speaker 11: the Awara do the exact same. We have very we
24:37
Speaker 11: have concerns, they're confidence O'Brien. We could think if the
24:42
Speaker 11: purpose of this inquiri is to truly find out who
24:45
Speaker 11: is influencing energy and climate debate in this country, I
24:48
Speaker 11: think it is very important that we have the same
24:50
Speaker 11: level of transparency. You know, we're very concerned that there
24:53
Speaker 11: are some group senators and I just finished.
24:58
Speaker 2: We're just here, we're asking a question with order to respect.
25:01
Speaker 11: I'd like to finish this point.
25:02
Speaker 2: We make it easy, do they and pleased to say,
25:09
Speaker 2: Alex O'Brian joins me. Now, Alex, thank you, good on
25:12
Speaker 2: you for staying pretty strong. There. Under a bit of
25:16
Speaker 2: a barrage from the Labor Green sort of cohorta. They
25:20
Speaker 2: operate in a pack don't they, But I like it
25:22
Speaker 2: when you wanted the same transparency. You're happy to do
25:26
Speaker 2: what you said, but you want that same transparency from
25:30
Speaker 2: all of these climate groups and you are surprised they
25:33
Speaker 2: don't want to play ball.
25:35
Speaker 11: No, it's not, Peter, And you know we've made this
25:38
Speaker 11: statement several times in the past. We've been accused of
25:41
Speaker 11: being funded by fossil fuel interests, you know, the interest
25:46
Speaker 11: of Geena Reinhart, part of the Burdock Empire. You know,
25:49
Speaker 11: whatever label they can throw our way, they have just
25:53
Speaker 11: because we've a pro opposed one particular project. So you know,
25:58
Speaker 11: when it came to that question, we answered it in
26:00
Speaker 11: the same way. But this inquiry, actually, we feel is
26:04
Speaker 11: an own goal. It actually revealed a lot more for
26:07
Speaker 11: us about the climate ecosystem that we and many communities
26:12
Speaker 11: around this country are up against. And what was alarming
26:15
Speaker 11: was some of the funding numbers that were revealed. You know,
26:18
Speaker 11: forty charities in this country, many of which have been
26:23
Speaker 11: quite political in the last election, bringing in four hundred
26:27
Speaker 11: and thirty eight million dollars per annum, so one point
26:31
Speaker 11: three billion dollars per election cycle. Peter, if you want
26:35
Speaker 11: to know why our energy system is broken at the moment,
26:38
Speaker 11: and why household bills of skyrocketing and businesses closing down, Well,
26:43
Speaker 11: it's because in Canberra they're being swarmed by teams of
26:47
Speaker 11: climate lobbyists that have opaque funding. You know, they have
26:53
Speaker 11: skirting around the Electoral Commission rules. They're hiding behind the
26:58
Speaker 11: disclosure requirements of non for offs And the simple fact
27:01
Speaker 11: of this inquiry was they attacked you know, grassroot community groups.
27:07
Speaker 11: You know, we've gone around with a bucket. You know,
27:09
Speaker 11: at our events we've gone and sold call flutes. You know,
27:13
Speaker 11: we received fifty dollars memberships. That's how we raise our money.
27:17
Speaker 11: And you know, it's quite quite concerning. You know that
27:21
Speaker 11: they've targeted us and used the weight of a Senate
27:25
Speaker 11: to target us, but not have groups like Sunrons. You know,
27:29
Speaker 11: who's Australia's biggest charity in bringing in more money than
27:32
Speaker 11: our major political parties.
27:36
Speaker 2: And we use that term charity very loosely and a
27:39
Speaker 2: lot of them as we know, as my viewers now,
27:41
Speaker 2: I've got an affiliation or an involvement with other groups
27:45
Speaker 2: overseas as well. I think part of your problem with
27:48
Speaker 2: Alex is it was a real David and Goliath battle.
27:50
Speaker 2: You took on vested interests here and you won. Right,
27:54
Speaker 2: You saw off that wind farm, and you've created a
27:58
Speaker 2: model that's given other communities like you hope right around
28:01
Speaker 2: the country that if they stand firm, if they come together,
28:04
Speaker 2: and I imagine in your group you've got left voters,
28:06
Speaker 2: right voters and everything in between. But if they stand
28:09
Speaker 2: together and they argue on the basis of you being
28:13
Speaker 2: genuine protectors of the environment and these people running basically
28:17
Speaker 2: a money making outfit under the guise of climate change,
28:21
Speaker 2: you can win. So part of the reason New copying
28:23
Speaker 2: flak is you beat them, right, So what sort of
28:28
Speaker 2: hope can we have that out of this report? We're
28:31
Speaker 2: going to get a FED income impartial, a final document.
28:36
Speaker 11: Look, we're not going to I think we have to
28:38
Speaker 11: be realistic that this is you know, Green's labor controlled inquiry.
28:43
Speaker 11: So you know they want to control the narrative here.
28:46
Speaker 11: You know they've accused us many groups of spreading misinformation
28:50
Speaker 11: and disinformation. But you know, we will ride on so
28:54
Speaker 11: many issues of floating off for a wind you know,
28:56
Speaker 11: Green Hydroe, Green Steel. But what gives me hope, Peter,
29:00
Speaker 11: is you know, the people within our community. We have
29:03
Speaker 11: people who are labor supporters, who have been part of
29:06
Speaker 11: your unions. We have conservationists, you know, we have a
29:10
Speaker 11: huge group of engineers and we've all come together because
29:13
Speaker 11: we care about this area. But we're also many of
29:16
Speaker 11: us are doing this so I'm doing this for my
29:18
Speaker 11: young family. I want them to have a good future,
29:22
Speaker 11: and we have many people are doing it for their grandkids.
29:25
Speaker 11: And you know, one question that isn't answered by a
29:28
Speaker 11: lot of these climate groups is, you know what happens
29:32
Speaker 11: when the two hundred and twenty billion dollars of annual
29:35
Speaker 11: revenue coming from oil, gas and coal disappear. What happens
29:39
Speaker 11: to our standard of living? The things that pay for
29:42
Speaker 11: our schools, our hospitals, our ndis, our medicare, the family
29:47
Speaker 11: tax benefits. When that's ripped out of the system, we're
29:51
Speaker 11: going to have to reduce our standard of livings. And
29:53
Speaker 11: they thought it would be green hydrogen that would replace
29:56
Speaker 11: that revenue. Now they think it's green iron. But this
30:00
Speaker 11: is a question, you know, that we need to really answer,
30:04
Speaker 11: and that's why there's a lot of people, you know,
30:06
Speaker 11: for similar ages myself, that are fighting for our family
30:10
Speaker 11: and our future prosperity. So that is what drives me, Peter,
30:14
Speaker 11: keep it up, Keep.
30:15
Speaker 2: It up, Keep it up, keep it up, keep it up.
30:19
Speaker 2: Imagine if fact we solved quote unquote the problem of
30:23
Speaker 2: climate change, if you accept it's a problem, these people
30:26
Speaker 2: would be all out of a job. The economy, the
30:28
Speaker 2: climate economy, would be gone, and that's what they fear most. Alex,
30:32
Speaker 2: thank you, Thank you for your hard work and taking
30:35
Speaker 2: the brick bats as you do. After the break the
30:38
Speaker 2: barbaric reality of Islamic State, I'll speak with a Syrian
30:42
Speaker 2: Christian refugee who knows all too well the dangers that
30:46
Speaker 2: repatriating these Isis women to Australia might bring. Welcome back
30:56
Speaker 2: to the come the astounding poll that shows the depth
30:59
Speaker 2: of concern around gender, medicine and children. But first let's
31:04
Speaker 2: return to that cohort of Islamic State women and their children. Yes,
31:09
Speaker 2: at least one of these women is now subject to
31:12
Speaker 2: temporary exclusion orders, but significant the questions remain around whether
31:17
Speaker 2: they may be free to enter Australia in the future
31:21
Speaker 2: and the nature of the concern that's been expressed by
31:24
Speaker 2: our intelligence agencies. Syrian sisters Orshena and Ilonia Kanun a
31:30
Speaker 2: part of the Abbot government's humanitarian intake of persecuted minorities
31:34
Speaker 2: from Syria in twenty sixteen, a cohort in this case
31:37
Speaker 2: of Assyrian Christians given safe haven in this country after
31:41
Speaker 2: decades of persecution based on their religion in the Middle East,
31:46
Speaker 2: age just eleven, they live through the impact devices terrorism
31:50
Speaker 2: in their community before fleeing to Lebanon and then finding
31:53
Speaker 2: a permanent home in Australia. I'm pleased to say Orshena
31:57
Speaker 2: Kanun joins me now from Melbourne or Sheina. I'm really
32:02
Speaker 2: thrilled to have you on the program. I know you're
32:04
Speaker 2: not a media performer, but I think it's just so
32:08
Speaker 2: important that we hear from someone with a lived experience
32:13
Speaker 2: of life in and around Islamic State. I want you
32:18
Speaker 2: to give my viewers an understanding of what you and
32:21
Speaker 2: your family lived through prior to escaping to Australia. Thank
32:28
Speaker 2: you so much, Peter.
32:30
Speaker 10: As you know, I was a child when Isis had
32:35
Speaker 10: broken to Syria. I was about eight years of age
32:41
Speaker 10: when they actually broken to Syria. So many brutality and
32:48
Speaker 10: different sorts of horrific scenes I've seen as a child.
32:54
Speaker 10: There was attempts of kidnappings that happened. There was attempts
32:59
Speaker 10: of mass shootings that I myself have also encountered. There
33:05
Speaker 10: was all sorts of kind of brutalities that you could
33:09
Speaker 10: also think of. But my parents faced hardships to take
33:14
Speaker 10: a decision to leave our country. However, this was not
33:17
Speaker 10: until well I call a turning point for their decision.
33:23
Speaker 10: That was when a bomb exploded into my friend's house.
33:27
Speaker 10: It was me and my sister at her house. We
33:30
Speaker 10: were celebrating the end of the school year. However, I
33:34
Speaker 10: just went into a nightmare what I call, and then
33:37
Speaker 10: I woke up here in Australia and I found myself
33:40
Speaker 10: here and yeah, very great.
33:45
Speaker 2: I'll get to you making the most of you. Well, well,
33:49
Speaker 2: I know, and you've made the most of your opportunities here.
33:51
Speaker 2: I want to get to that in a moment. But
33:53
Speaker 2: I guess the point is you are Christians in the
33:56
Speaker 2: Middle East, and we have seen tragically in recent months
34:01
Speaker 2: just some of the trauma suffered by Christians. Nigeria is
34:05
Speaker 2: a good example, but there are plenty of others. You
34:08
Speaker 2: were persecuted by Islamic state just because you were not
34:14
Speaker 2: adherents to the Muslim faith. That's correct, isn't it? That
34:18
Speaker 2: you were Christian. That's correct as a Christian. Yeah, so
34:25
Speaker 2: when you arrived in Australia, I want to make it
34:27
Speaker 2: clear to my viewers you spoke no English, but both
34:30
Speaker 2: you and your sister ended up school captains. You've gone
34:33
Speaker 2: onto university and you're now working and contributing back to Australia.
34:38
Speaker 2: How important has it been that you have settled in
34:42
Speaker 2: this country and this is now home. I'd first like.
34:47
Speaker 10: To start by obviously thanking the Tony abb government because
34:51
Speaker 10: that was the time when my family and I and
34:55
Speaker 10: many other communities and community members met it to Australia
35:00
Speaker 10: through the humanitarian program. But I would also like to
35:03
Speaker 10: extend my thanks to you, Peter, especially because you were
35:07
Speaker 10: in a chief staff at the time. I'd like to
35:11
Speaker 10: start by talking about the different contributions and engagements the
35:18
Speaker 10: Christian community and the members of community that actually made
35:22
Speaker 10: it to Australia during that time. I reckon there's like
35:26
Speaker 10: zero rates of unemployment amongst those that were brought under
35:31
Speaker 10: the Tony Abbot government.
35:33
Speaker 2: But it also shows that.
35:36
Speaker 10: We have loved it for this country. I can tell
35:40
Speaker 10: you that there's so many members from those communities that
35:44
Speaker 10: were brought here in twenty fifteen and sixteen. Now they
35:49
Speaker 10: own businesses. Some of them are high school students, some
35:53
Speaker 10: of them are university students like myself. Yeah, they've made
35:57
Speaker 10: a lot of contributions to the country and there's still
36:00
Speaker 10: will continue to make more contributions. So I think it's
36:04
Speaker 10: about having the love for this country and being able
36:08
Speaker 10: to assimilate with this beautiful country's values.
36:12
Speaker 2: But also we are that we are lucky to have.
36:16
Speaker 2: Thank you. It's also a mess. We want more people
36:20
Speaker 2: to come here and stay here that love our country.
36:23
Speaker 2: Just quickly, if you could talk to the Prime minister,
36:26
Speaker 2: if your family could talk to the Prime minister, if
36:29
Speaker 2: you said to you, should we take these women back
36:31
Speaker 2: to Australia, given they left to fight for Islamic State,
36:35
Speaker 2: given they have bred children with Islamic State terrorists, the
36:40
Speaker 2: cubs of the Caliphate they called them. What would you
36:43
Speaker 2: tell the Prime Minister?
36:46
Speaker 10: As someone who's actually encountered ices, I personally think it's
36:53
Speaker 10: just very hard to accept. First of all, living among
36:55
Speaker 10: those who have traveled to these ices, control areas areas
37:01
Speaker 10: known for maskullinks, rape, torture, and genocide, and be involved
37:07
Speaker 10: in all sorts of atrocities but also my personal opinion
37:12
Speaker 10: is that it's it's very hard no matter how many
37:15
Speaker 10: counseling services or rehabilitation services are provided, it's just very
37:20
Speaker 10: very hard and difficult to erase all those ideologies that
37:25
Speaker 10: are embedded upon them for years and years. So it's
37:29
Speaker 10: it's it's very concerning to hear that there's other other
37:33
Speaker 10: than the two ices brides that were brought here two
37:36
Speaker 10: months ago, that there's thirty four ices brides that the
37:42
Speaker 10: government is thinking of bringing into Australia. It's just concerning
37:47
Speaker 10: to think about it. And it's yeah, and I will
37:49
Speaker 10: say something that should be forced upon.
37:51
Speaker 2: Us, not at all, Orcina. I think you speak for
37:55
Speaker 2: all Australians with commandments like that, and I am conscious
37:58
Speaker 2: that it brings a lot of trauma to communities like
38:01
Speaker 2: yours when these people come back to Australia. Should they
38:04
Speaker 2: come back to Australia or so. You are an incredibly
38:06
Speaker 2: brave woman and you are a magnificent Australian. I'm thrilled
38:10
Speaker 2: that you're on my show tonight. Thank you, Thanks, we'll
38:13
Speaker 2: catch up soon. All right after the break, you might
38:16
Speaker 2: be wondering why I'm in Canberra. Well, I'll tell you
38:18
Speaker 2: why I sat down for an interview this afternoon with
38:21
Speaker 2: the new Liberal leader, Angus Taylor. I'll show you that
38:24
Speaker 2: interview tomorrow night, but I thought, in light of what
38:27
Speaker 2: Orsina has just had to say, i'll show you his
38:29
Speaker 2: position on these isis women.
38:33
Speaker 12: People who do not believe in our core values, who
38:37
Speaker 12: don't accept our core beliefs, should not be coming to
38:40
Speaker 12: this country. The door should be shut. People who want
38:44
Speaker 12: to bring the hate and violence from another part of
38:46
Speaker 12: the world onto our shores should see a shut door.
38:51
Speaker 12: We don't want them here. This government wants a bet
38:54
Speaker 12: each way on this. They need to fess up, get
38:56
Speaker 12: clear and explain to the Australian people what's going on here.
39:01
Speaker 2: This is a whole new Angus Taylor. If you haven't
39:03
Speaker 2: seen much of him, you'll see a lot of him
39:04
Speaker 2: tomorrow night. No equivocation on that issue, and a lot
39:08
Speaker 2: of clarity for Liberals who have looked for a bit
39:11
Speaker 2: of hope right across the board on many other issues
39:14
Speaker 2: as well, particularly the economy. But a whole lot more
39:17
Speaker 2: and Gus Taylor tomorrow night here on Kredlin alright after
39:19
Speaker 2: the break, enough's enough veterans lash politician for years of
39:23
Speaker 2: limbo on the Brereton Report. It's still sitting on the
39:26
Speaker 2: government's desk in Canberra. It is time to give these
39:30
Speaker 2: veterans their reputations back and that poll about gender, medicine
39:34
Speaker 2: and children. Governments are completely out of step with you, right.
39:44
Speaker 2: Calbridge is coming up, of course, so my pedel will
39:47
Speaker 2: come first. Skynes contributor Jamie Rodgers joins me and Shadow
39:50
Speaker 2: Defense Industry Minister Phil Thompson. Well, congrats to you, Phil.
39:55
Speaker 2: I'll go with you off the back of that interview
39:57
Speaker 2: if I can with or Sheena Canoe. She came out
40:01
Speaker 2: here in the abbed Era when we took in about
40:03
Speaker 2: twelve thousand people out of the Middle East, predominantly I
40:06
Speaker 2: have to say, persecuted Christian minorities. You heard what she
40:11
Speaker 2: had to say there. She doesn't think these women can
40:15
Speaker 2: be rehabilitated, even with counseling and services. She doesn't want
40:18
Speaker 2: them in this country. So why are they coming here?
40:23
Speaker 13: Well they shouldn't. And she have a great interview with you,
40:27
Speaker 13: and you could see the rawness and how she feels
40:31
Speaker 13: about where she's come from and now the love that
40:33
Speaker 13: she has for Australia. There is no such thing as
40:36
Speaker 13: ISIS brides. So everyone wants to talk about ISIS brides
40:40
Speaker 13: and they should be able to do There's no such thing.
40:42
Speaker 13: They are members of ISIS. They went there willing. They
40:46
Speaker 13: have often picked up arms. They have fought in the
40:51
Speaker 13: name of ISIS. And now because the person that they
40:56
Speaker 13: were married to, maybe the first, second, or third person
40:59
Speaker 13: that they're married to, all have been killed in battle
41:01
Speaker 13: that they now want to return home because they've failed
41:05
Speaker 13: ISIS project didn't work out for him. But these are
41:09
Speaker 13: I cannot stress it enough. These are not ISIS brides.
41:12
Speaker 13: These are ISIS members the government. They did help the
41:16
Speaker 13: previous ISIS members come back to Australia after the Prime
41:20
Speaker 13: Minister didn't tell the truth in Parliament during question time.
41:24
Speaker 13: He's been asked now and he said, oh no, we
41:26
Speaker 13: won't help. I don't believe him. He needs to have
41:30
Speaker 13: more than just we won't do it. He must not
41:33
Speaker 13: do it because the protection of the Australian people needs
41:37
Speaker 13: to be first and foremost in his brain, because it
41:39
Speaker 13: is in mine. And I don't want these terrorist supporters
41:42
Speaker 13: or terrorist members back here on Australian soil.
41:47
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what Jamie has now, did I mean
41:49
Speaker 2: I've said repeatedly for the last few years, I do
41:51
Speaker 2: not like the term ISIS brides. It's meant to somehow
41:54
Speaker 2: downplay their involvement. They left Australia, they went over there
41:58
Speaker 2: to breed with terrorists, to breathe the next generation of terrorists.
42:02
Speaker 2: And I've had plenty of briefings where women have been
42:04
Speaker 2: suicide bombers, women have been bomb makers, women have been
42:07
Speaker 2: the people that are online corrupting young children and converting
42:12
Speaker 2: them to be radical. So I think Phil's absolutely right,
42:16
Speaker 2: and I went through this tonight JB. There are plenty
42:18
Speaker 2: of laws in this country already now to stop the
42:21
Speaker 2: government from giving these women passports. So the idea that
42:25
Speaker 2: the PM's hands are tied here absolute bs.
42:30
Speaker 9: It spot on, and you nailed it in your editorial
42:33
Speaker 9: at the top of the show. And it's an editorial
42:35
Speaker 9: that we need to be pushing out far and wide
42:37
Speaker 9: so that the Australian public can be aware of the
42:40
Speaker 9: lies and how much we have been misled by this
42:43
Speaker 9: labor government. But Phil was spot on as well. These women,
42:47
Speaker 9: they willingly went over to Syria to join ISIS. They
42:52
Speaker 9: went over there, They left our beautiful country and as
42:55
Speaker 9: Orshena said in her interview that she couldn't believe that
42:58
Speaker 9: they would choose to go over there and be a
43:00
Speaker 9: part of all of those atrocities that she was speaking about.
43:03
Speaker 9: And the point that we should all be concerned about
43:06
Speaker 9: is the fact that Orshena said, no amount of counseling
43:09
Speaker 9: will ever be able to remove the ideologies that are
43:12
Speaker 9: embedded within them, and that is what labor are wanting
43:15
Speaker 9: to bring back into our country. We cannot allow the
43:18
Speaker 9: hatred we have seen what happened with that alleged incident
43:21
Speaker 9: with Bondai, the massacre there. We don't want to have
43:24
Speaker 9: a repeat of that sort of hatred on our soil.
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Speaker 9: So we need to stop this and feel you in
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Speaker 9: the opposition have to make sure you keep holding this
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Speaker 9: government to account because they need to be shown what's
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Speaker 9: going on.
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Speaker 2: I'd want to know too, unlike Orshena, who's out there
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Speaker 2: going to university, contributing, learning English and in paid work,
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Speaker 2: how many of those that have already come home actually
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Speaker 2: have a job and are not living on welfare. But
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Speaker 2: I don't suspect tiny Burk's going to tell us that number. Hey,
43:52
Speaker 2: the Brereton Report, phil and New South while as National
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Speaker 2: MP Michael Kemp says, enough's enough, bring this purgatory to
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Speaker 2: an end. I mean, I'm sitting in Canberra tonight, that
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Speaker 2: report is sitting on a minister's desk here. It's gone
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Speaker 2: on too long. Surely these soldiers need their reputations restored.
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Speaker 13: Absolutely, I couldn't agree more the Burton Report.
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Speaker 2: It wasn't a brief of evidence.
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Speaker 13: It was a report that was given to the CDF
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Speaker 13: and then you know the Office of the Special Investigator
44:29
Speaker 13: was set up. But it's been years. People's lives have
44:34
Speaker 13: been put on hold, people's lives have been destroyed. People
44:37
Speaker 13: have been sitting there wondering what happens next. And I
44:42
Speaker 13: think it's you know, they need to either act upon
44:46
Speaker 13: what was in it, or act upon evidence that they have,
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Speaker 13: or let people go back to living their lives, because
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Speaker 13: I think it's just absolutely heartbreaking to have people that
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Speaker 13: have maybe somewhere that they were mentioned in the Bread Report,
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Speaker 13: who have been told that they're either a person of
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Speaker 13: interest several years ago, are still sitting there now looking
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Speaker 13: at the door wondering when someone's going to come in
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Speaker 13: if they are, and their families have been impacted, their
45:13
Speaker 13: livelihoods have been impacted. I believe that the government needs
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Speaker 13: to either make something happen if there is any evidence
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Speaker 13: of wrongdoing, or it needs to be closed down and
45:24
Speaker 13: people can get back to living their lives.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and show me the last time a politician did
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Speaker 2: something wrong or spent money they shouldn't have spent, or
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Speaker 2: didn't deliver on a promise and they've been held to account.
45:37
Speaker 2: I think absolutely right. If there's something criminal here or
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Speaker 2: potentially criminal, give it to the police and move on.
45:44
Speaker 2: Everybody else should be let to go, let walk with
45:47
Speaker 2: their reputations. Intact. Let's got this polling out of the
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Speaker 2: United States conducted by the Argument magazine, and it's found
45:54
Speaker 2: a large portion of the population, including Democrats, are absolutely
45:58
Speaker 2: squarely pretty conservative on the issue of transgender policies. This
46:02
Speaker 2: is across issues of gender surgery for young people, puberty
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Speaker 2: blockers for young people, teaching gender identity, and primary schools.
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Speaker 2: The majority, absolute majority of Americans are strongly opposed to this. Now,
46:15
Speaker 2: no surprises, Jamie. I think Australians feel pretty much the same.
46:20
Speaker 2: So why is this being forced on us? Yeah, you're
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Speaker 2: spot on there, Peter.
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Speaker 9: It was really interesting reading that data that came out
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Speaker 9: of the US and particular to see how much the
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Speaker 9: trans support has really declined in particular over the past
46:34
Speaker 9: few years. But they were looking at the comparison of
46:37
Speaker 9: twenty sixteen in North Carolina, with the governor there at
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Speaker 9: the time tried to impose a new law that whatever
46:43
Speaker 9: you were born, your sex, there is the public bathroom
46:46
Speaker 9: that you could then use.
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Speaker 2: And there was.
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Speaker 9: Outrage and businesses were being threatened to boycott if they
46:51
Speaker 9: supported this legislation, and that governor in the end ended
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Speaker 9: up losing in the election that same year in twenty sixteen.
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Speaker 9: We'll fast forward now and that is what people are saying.
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Speaker 9: No biological mail in women's change rooms or in women's sport,
47:06
Speaker 9: and in particular between that kindergarten and year twelve, to
47:10
Speaker 9: make sure that whatever you were born, that's the sport
47:12
Speaker 9: that you were compete in. I can't see Australia following
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Speaker 9: suit anytime soon under this labor government. But Phil, I
47:18
Speaker 9: know I keep calling out you in this program tonight,
47:20
Speaker 9: but it's over to the coalition. Let's bring back the
47:23
Speaker 9: definition of men and women within that Sex Discrimination Act
47:26
Speaker 9: that Julia Gillard removed back in twenty thirteen. Put a
47:29
Speaker 9: line in the sand, no more ambiguity. Put a line
47:32
Speaker 9: in the sand and make it clear. The UK Supreme
47:35
Speaker 9: Court did the same where they put the definition of
47:37
Speaker 9: what a woman is. Donald Trump signed those executive orders.
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Speaker 9: It's time Australia follow suit. But I do fear that
47:42
Speaker 9: it's not going to happen under labor. So it's over
47:44
Speaker 9: to you in the coalition. Let's bring back some common sense.
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Speaker 2: You're a dad of girl's feel. I reckon you're the
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Speaker 2: man for the job. What do you reckon?
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Speaker 11: Oh?
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Speaker 4: Absolutely?
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Speaker 13: I think Claire Chandler did a great job leading this
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Speaker 13: charge as well. And yep, I couldn't agree more with
48:01
Speaker 13: everything you just said.
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Speaker 2: All right, I'll leave it there. Good luck with a
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Speaker 2: new role, Phil, you'll be kicking goals. You've got a
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Speaker 2: lot of fans here on this program. Thank you to
48:09
Speaker 2: you too, Jamie or a quick break up and break
48:11
Speaker 2: Kel Richards with words matter all right, joining me as
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Speaker 2: he does every Wednesday for words, Kel Richards, we like
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Speaker 2: a topical set of words. We've got some for us
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Speaker 2: for the guest tonight. Kel The Prime Minister says, I'm
48:29
Speaker 2: not providing any repatriation support to these women, but he's
48:34
Speaker 2: giving them passports to come back to Australia. How's that
48:38
Speaker 2: not repatriation?
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Speaker 14: It is repatriation. Repatriation is providing a new part for them,
48:45
Speaker 14: a new place for them. Now you take any steps
48:48
Speaker 14: down that road, what you're doing is repatriation. So in fact,
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Speaker 14: he is playing with words, let's admit it, in a
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Speaker 14: fairly all Wellian way. He is making the word mean
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Speaker 14: what he wants it to me. This is all Wellian
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Speaker 14: new speak. It's straight out of nineteen eighty four. It's
49:04
Speaker 14: exactly what George Orwell said in his famous essay that
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Speaker 14: politicians do with language and it damages the English language.
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Speaker 2: All right, some phrases from our viewers. Sissy wants to
49:17
Speaker 2: know about egg on your face? Where's that one come from?
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Speaker 14: Not all that old, from the middle of the twentieth century.
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Speaker 14: There are two theories as to where it comes from.
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Speaker 14: There's an American poet, John Ciardi, good poet and a
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Speaker 14: linguist who wrote some good books about language, and he
49:30
Speaker 14: said it comes from cheaper, rowdy theaters where a bad
49:33
Speaker 14: act or a bad actor could end up having eggs
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Speaker 14: thrown at them. The alternative theory is that it comes
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Speaker 14: from bad manners at the dinner table, someone who eats
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Speaker 14: in a sloppy way and ends up with egg around
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Speaker 14: their face. Now either of those could be true.
49:50
Speaker 2: I think the Doldrums might have something to do with sailing,
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Speaker 2: don't they.
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Speaker 14: They did in the Doldrums it started off meaning dull
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Speaker 14: or drowsy. It's a development of the word dull, but
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Speaker 14: in maritime have meant the equatorial region where there were
50:02
Speaker 14: no wins and you could be stranded for days. Nowadays
50:05
Speaker 14: we tend to use in the Doldrooms to mean a
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Speaker 14: bit depressed, a bit blue, a bit down, which comes
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Speaker 14: from the maritime version. You're stuck and there's no.
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Speaker 2: Movement, no movement, nothing going on. All right, I'll leave
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Speaker 2: it there, and again our deeper sympathies to your family.
50:23
Speaker 2: I know you've had a family bereavement. Thank you. KEM
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Speaker 2: all right, that's it for me. See tomorrow and I
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Speaker 2: don't miss my interview with Angus Taylor. You'll get to
50:30
Speaker 2: know the man if you don't already. He's Andrew