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Surrendering Certainty: Hearing God Today by Letting Go of Tomorrow With Abby McDonald · She Speaks Life - Christian Women, Strengthen Your Faith, Bible Study, Grow Spiritually In Christ

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  Hey guys, welcome back to She Speaks Life.
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  If you haven't already caught on yet, in addition to the
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  interview episodes I do, I also have been doing solo episodes
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  Today. I have with me Abby MacDonald
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  sharing about her book called Surrendering Certainty, Hearing
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  God today by Letting Go of tomorrow.
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  Abby is a writing coach, speaker and writes regularly for
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  Proverbs 31 Ministries Daily Devotions team.
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  Her mission is to empower women to hear God's voice in their
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  lives and act on it in faith. This episode is so good.
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  We talk about how to say yes to God and the uncertainties in
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  life and how to hear God's voice prompting us to move forward in
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  faith. Abby shares about how to move
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  past doubt and how to know the difference between closed doors
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  and distractions. This was so packed full of
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  wisdom and encouragement to us all to get comfortable with the
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  uncertainties of life so God can actually use us in our faith
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  journey and also to surrender those false securities and to
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  walk into the true security that God has for us every single day.
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  OK, so if you're ready, I'm ready.
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  Here's my guest, Abby McDonald. Hi, Abby, welcome to She Speaks
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  Life. I am thrilled you are here with
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  us today. Thank you, Jamie.
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  I'm glad to be here. I was looking forward to this
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  interview all week. I'm so excited about your
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  message. You have written a book recently
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  called Surrendering Certainty, Hearing God Today By Letting Go
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  of Tomorrow, and boy, it's just Me.
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  And. I was so excited to dive into
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  further of this message of just saying yes to God in the
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  unknown. I think that is so hard for us
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  to step into things that are uncertain in life and we hold on
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  to these false securities and you just share about how to
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  recognize God's voice, His promptings, and really
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  surrendering certainty for us to live fully toward what God has
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  planned for us to live fully in faith.
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  And so I just can't wait to dive into this.
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  So before we do that, I would love for you to share what is
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  your favorite Scripture verse and why I think we can find so
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  much about our guests just by asking that one question.
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  Absolutely, Jamie. Well, my favorite scripture
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  changes based on the season of life I'm in right now.
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  My favorite scripture is actually one that is.
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  It's one of the foundations of my book, and it's John 1027.
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  My sheep hear my voice. I know them and they follow me.
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  And that verse is a reminder to me that each of us who called
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  Jesus Lord do have the ability to hear him.
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  And I think that sometimes we question that.
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  We question whether or not a word we received is from the
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  Lord or whether or not we can actually hear him.
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  And so that Scripture is just such a good reminder to me of
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  that truth, that each of us has that.
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  And when we have the Holy Spirit, He speaks to us.
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  Yeah, I know. And it's it's so crucial in our
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  walk with him and to know the direction and his guidance.
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  And I remember there was a time of my life that I was so
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  desperately trying to hear him. And it was somebody told me,
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  it's like training your heart ears to hear him.
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  And the more you get to know him intimately, the more you're
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  familiar with that voice and the more you can recognize, oh, you
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  know, that's it. And so goes along with that
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  Scripture verse that you're saying, because sheep know
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  they're shepherd's voice and how sweet it is for that example
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  that God put in the Bible for us to glean on.
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  OK, so let's start off with you sharing a bit of your back
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  story. Why this message on surrendering
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  certainty? Yes.
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  So this message was born out of my own struggle, Jamie, as I
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  think that our messages typically are.
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  But it was also conversations that I had with friends and
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  coaching clients and just different people over the years.
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  And it was a question that I kept hearing time and time
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  again. Is this question of is this
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  God's voice? Is this God's will?
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  Or is it just my desire? How do I know?
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  And I kept seeing this hesitation to move forward
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  without that certainty. And sometimes we ask God for
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  another sign and because he's faithful and he's merciful, he
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  will give us a sign. But then we can question that
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  sign that he gives us. I mean, we see that in the story
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  of Gideon. And so it there comes a point
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  where we just have to say, yes, you know, we have to step out in
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  faith. And so that was what drove the
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  message. And I really wanted to just
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  identify what it was that causes this inertia and this doubt.
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  And to me that that's what it is, that's what the Lord
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  revealed to me is that it's this desire for certainty.
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  We just, we want to know what's going to happen.
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  Is this going to work out the way I want it to or the way I
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  think it should? And most of the time we don't
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  get to know that. Sometimes God will reveal things
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  to us, but that has to be on his timeline, not on ours.
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  And so yeah, that that's what the book explores and what the
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  inspiration behind it was. Yeah, it's such a reverse.
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  Just what what our mindset, what we want to do.
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  It's such the polar opposite that, you know, God really wants
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  us to take action, step into faith.
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  Then he can. Work with something, right?
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  He can work with us when we are showing that, hey, I'm believing
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  in you even when I don't see it in the natural.
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  I'm stepping in, I'm doing something towards whatever it
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  is. And then he meets us right there
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  with the next step. Or you know what we were
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  expecting now we could see it with our physical eyes.
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  And so it's such a, an opposite perspective on how to live, but
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  it's living in the supernatural rather than the natural.
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  And I think we just can get so get so hung up on what's logical
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  and what we can see. And we'll, we'll step into
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  something when we can see it. And that's not the way God
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  works. And so we're gonna talk all
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  about that. And so my other question was in
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  your book, you had said the yoke of certainty that we often carry
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  in life and that you encourage us to trade that for a better
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  one. Jesus's yoke.
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  I love how you just wrote that out right?
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  Is that we can get weighed down by that yoke of certainty and
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  the Lord wants us to trade it with his yoke.
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  So can you expand on this and how it's so critical in order
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  for us to move forward in faith in our relationship with God and
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  his plans for us? Yeah, absolutely.
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  And so when I started exploring this topic, Jamie, I realized
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  that this really goes back to the garden.
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  And I, I looked at that initial question that the serpent asked
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  Eve. Did God really say, which I
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  think that question still echoes today when we ask these
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  questions, you know, did God really say, is this really what
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  he wants? Is this just me?
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  But then also, what does he offer her?
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  Well, he offers her knowledge and then he promised that
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  promises that she will be like God.
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  And so that's really key there. And when Eve takes the fruit,
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  Genesis notes that it was a delight to the eyes, and so God
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  stopped being her delight in that moment.
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  She took her focus off the Lord and it was more of a delight to
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  her than obeying what God had told her to do.
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  And I think obviously, you know, that that was a dividing moment
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  where it sins separated us from God.
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  But also I think that in that moment, humanity took on this
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  yoke of I need more than what God has chosen to give me.
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  I need to know more than he has given me.
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  I need just more information and there was something that was
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  desirable about that. And we can chase that same thing
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  today. We think if I just had a little
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  bit more knowledge, if I just had a little bit more insight
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  into the future and what the future holds, then I'll have
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  that security that I long for and I'll be able to move forward
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  because I'll be confident. But when we let go of that and
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  we release that, we can enjoy the peace that he offers us for
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  today. He tells us his yoke is easy and
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  his burden is light. And that doesn't mean that our
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  lives are going to be easy and light and then we're not going
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  to struggle. But it means that He's going to
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  give us what we need for today, and we can rest in that.
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  And when we try to race ahead into the future, we are taking
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  on a burden that we were not intended to carry because we are
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  finite creatures and we can't handle the knowledge and the
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  weight of an infinite God. And so, yeah, that's that's what
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  those two yokes are. And what I get at in that book
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  is just, you know, how we can move forward in confidence with
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  what he gives us. Yeah, so good.
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  Well, writing on the heels of that, you explain surrendering
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  our questions about tomorrow is crucial to hearing God's voice
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  and living of life, of faith. So how so?
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  Yeah. So I think that it's natural for
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  us to have questions. You know, we have questions, we
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  have expectations. And the answer to that is not to
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  just brush it under the rug and pretend like it doesn't exist.
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  But I ask ourselves, what is that fear pointing to?
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  You know it, our fear is like a warning light and it's pointing
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  to something else that happened that perhaps we haven't dealt
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  with and we haven't surrendered to the Lord.
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  And so it could be past trauma we haven't dealt with.
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  It could be an insecurity that we need to surrender to Him, or
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  it could be just a desire to see the future when God hasn't
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  chosen to reveal that to us. And so when we ask ourselves
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  those questions and what is it that this fear is about, then we
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  can come to the Lord with that and ask him for his help and
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  surrender that to him. But the answer isn't to just
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  ignore it, because otherwise we're we're just going to live
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  in that cyclical pattern. Yeah.
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  I mean, I always say God, God knows what's going on in your
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  heart. And you know, you got your
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  questions and you're wrestling with something and you're
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  battling fear. There is the spirit of fear that
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  Second Timothy or he talks about.
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  Exactly. The spirit of fear is what He
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  does not want us to. Get.
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  The way of moving forward with his plans and what he has for
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  us. And I wrote down a quote that
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  you said in your book. It was so beautiful.
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  You said this is the certainty we have when we step into the
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  unknown, that Jesus is applauding, saying, yes, my
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  child, you can step into the uncertainty without fear because
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  I am already there. I am on the other side of the
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  future. You can't see it.
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  You can move forward even if you're afraid because I will
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  never shame you or disown you. And I thought that was written
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  so beautifully because as believers, we know that, you
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  know, we should not be living in a spirit of fear, but of, you
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  know, power, love and a our mind.
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  And that's just getting rid. There's so much going on the
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  battlefield in our mind, right? And we we tackle those lies that
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  the enemy shoots at us with the word of God.
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  And so you shared too, that we should allow facing fear to move
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  us towards Jesus, not a way. And I think that was so key that
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  you said that because so many people think I'm not supposed to
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  be doing this because I'm feeling, you know, freaked out.
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  But really, like it is a charge to go after because that's where
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  God wants to work in and through us.
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  And that's where we can rely on him even more than our own
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  strength or our own abilities. So, you know, like for me, it
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  was fear speaking. Hello, I've got a podcast.
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  And it was like, it wouldn't go away unless I did it.
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  I had to do it. I had to face the fear and do it
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  and call out God's word and destroy the lie.
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  So where have you seen that in your life where you are?
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  Just like I have to speak truth to this fear.
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  That's a good question with me. One fear that I had was about
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  two years ago, 2 1/2 maybe. I had felt called by God for a
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  while to start my own coaching business where I would coach
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  other writers. And it was much like you with
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  the podcast. I kept making excuses, saying
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  I'm not qualified, I need this, you know, X whatever it is, and
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  it just would not go away. And finally, a company that I
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  work for now that that I had come to trust offered training
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  on becoming certified as a coach.
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  And it was just like God saying, here you go, you know, you don't
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  have any more excuses. I'm I'm giving you this
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  opportunity. I mean, of course I had to say
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  yes to the opportunity. I had to make a investment to do
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  that. But that was him removing the
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  last excuse I had. And once I did that, I still had
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  some fears and some insecurities that I had to work through.
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  But I I said yes, actually experienced a huge season of
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  growth after that. And so it's amazing how when we
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  say yes, even after we've prolonged it and put it off, we
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  can experience growth like we haven't in months or years just
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  because we're being obedient to what He wants us to do.
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  So good and he's just so faithful.
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  That is. Then we can see the rewards of
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  us being faithful to him and saying yes to him.
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  And then he knows like, oh, I can't entrust her with that.
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  Well, you know, get ready because there's more coming.
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  Yes, yes, it's always more. Yeah, always more.
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  And you know that faith pleases them.
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  Faith pleases God like we know and his scripture says.
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  And so your amazing book, it centers around 3 truths that
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  Jesus spoke in John 10. I think this was so good.
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  And one of them you explained in John 1027 where Jesus says my
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  sheep hear my voice and I know them and they follow me.
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  So why do you think? I mean, this is just so common.
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  I think we all can go through doubt.
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  And I think that's the whole point of having faith, 'cause
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  you can't have faith and doubt coexisting, you have to get rid
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  of doubt. And so why do some of us doubt
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  our ability hear God's voice? And how can we move past it?
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  Yeah, I think really the the key or, or the core answer to that
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  question, and it could be a number of different things, but
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  we have allowed another voice in our life to become louder than
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  gods. And that is one of the things
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  that I address in the book is that we have to be intentional
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  about getting alone with the Lord and even coming to the Lord
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  with things that we can often compartmentalize or keep closed
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  off from him, whether it's our fears, our desires, our dreams,
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  all of that. God wants all of it.
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  He doesn't want just a piece of us.
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  He wants it all. And so the more that we come to
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  him and that ongoing conversation, I think the more
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  that we learn to discern his voice.
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  But a lot of times when we doubt, it's because another
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  voice has become louder. And, and that could be any
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  number of voices. It could be somebody in our
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  sphere of influence. It could be social media, it
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  could be any one of the million sources of entertainment that we
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  have in today's culture. But there's so many voices.
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  I actually use this analogy. And one of the chapters, I can't
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  remember what chapter it is right now.
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  There was a Pandora commercial that came out several years ago
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  and the video went viral. And it was these kids were
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  blindfolded. They're probably about 8 of
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  them. And they were placed in this
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  huge warehouse. And their mothers were on the
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  other side of the room. This was around Mother's Day.
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  And so it was promoting their jewelry around Mother's Day.
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  And so the kids were blindfolded.
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  They were spun around a few times, and then they were
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  released. And the object was to go find
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  their mother. And every single one of these
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  kids found their mother without fail, without being able to see.
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  And so the question I asked was, if those kids were in a room
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  with thousands of people shouting their names, do you
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  think they would have been able to find their mothers?
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  Well, probably not, because it would have been too distracting.
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  It would have been too chaotic. But I think a lot of times we
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  feel like we can hear from God and we can engage with the Lord
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  while we are also simultaneously being bombarded with all of
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  these other voices that are infiltrating our lives.
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  And we just can't. We have got to get intentional
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  and we have got to get alone with him and just be wise.
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  And who we choose to listen to, who we choose not to listen to.
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  And so, yeah, I think that that's really the key is that we
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  we just have to be intentional about learning what he sounds
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  like. Yeah, yeah, I it's, it's
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  spending time with him, like you said.
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  I mean it's. The same as you know your your
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  first date with your husband like you know him way more now
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  than. That yeah, yeah.
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  And so I think so many of us want to hear God's voice, but we
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  don't want to take the time to, yeah, read who he is, you know,
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  his study, who he is, his character or read his word and,
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  and to immerse ourselves and his truth that shows all about who
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  he is and his character and who we are and him.
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  And, and so it really is taking that that time on a daily basis
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  to commune with him and have a dialogue with him and, and read
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  all about who he is. So good you had shared how we
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  perceive as a closed door can actually be a distraction.
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  So can you explain how we can know the difference between a
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  closed door and a distraction? I think this was such a good
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  thing that you had put in your book.
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  Yeah, I think that that one of the keys there, and I use a
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  couple of different stories in that chapter, but a lot of times
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  what I have perceived as a closed door was actually just a
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  distraction. And what that means basically
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  is, you know, there were all these obstacles that came along
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  after I walked through this perceived door that God was
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  opening. And they, they just drained me,
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  you know, and I think that one of the key questions we have to
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  ask ourselves is, is this just making me uncomfortable or is
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  this actually God saying no? Because God is not vague.
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  You know, God is not a God of chaos.
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  He's not a God of confusion. And so he is more than capable
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  of closing a door and making it absolutely clear.
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  And we can still try to bang our way down it.
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  I think that sometimes we just get uncomfortable and we get
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  tired. And if you're tired, then take a
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  nap. You know, don't, don't say, OK,
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  This is why I'm quitting this and it's over.
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  Get the rest that you need and persevere and what God has
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  called you to do. But sometimes we just need to to
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  take a rest and step away from whatever it is and then find
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  that replenishment that we need to move forward.
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  That's so good. OK, let's talk about the desires
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  you had written in chapter 3. I believe say our view of who
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  God is will always affect whether or not we trust them
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  with our desires. So why do you think that
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  bringing our desires to God is crucial to moving forward in our
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  spiritual lives? I I thought the way you wrote
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  this was so beautiful. Yeah, yeah, I think that it's,
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  it's what I mentioned before, Jamie, it's, it's God wants all
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  of us, You know, he doesn't want us to just give him a piece here
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  and a piece there. But I think that the reason why
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  viewing him with a, with a healthy view and and this can be
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  a lifelong process. I mean, I had a lot of distorted
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  views of who God was that I had to work through in my early
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  adult life. And then I'm, I'm still working
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  through, but we are all in the process of refinement.
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  But I think that if we view God as just this distant rule
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  enforcer, you know, he's waiting for us to mess up.
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  He's waiting for us to falter. Then we're not going to want to
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  share things with him because we're not going to trust, you
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  know, that he'll treat those dreams and desires with a
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  delicate hand. If we see him as the loving
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  father he is, then we'll want to share with Him, and we'll want
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  to come to Him. And I talk about my own kids.
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  You know how just being a mom was one of the biggest ways that
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  God taught me that He wants that, You know, He wants me to
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  come to Him because my kids come to me with their desires there.
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  There's no shame there. There's No Fear.
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  And I'm receptive to that. And I love it when they do that.
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  And so how much more will our Father be open and pleased when
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  we do that? Yeah, that's so good.
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  I have this kind of going on in my spirit that maybe somebody's
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  maybe asking this to themselves while they're listening to this
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  podcast. How can we know like the
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  promptings of the Holy Spirit? What if they had a dream on
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  their heart writing a book, maybe something they want to
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  start. Maybe it's a job change.
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  It's a decision deciding to marry someone, deciding they
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  need direction for their kids or whatever it what is some
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  encouragement that you can give where they're like, how do I
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  know? I mean, we're talking about,
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  we're familiar with his voice, but I'm always about the how to.
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  'S and. What are some steps that maybe
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  you encourage those that are clients of yours?
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  Yeah, yeah. So a couple of questions that I
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  would ask is or what is the benefit of staying where I am?
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  You know, it, is it just comfort?
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  Is it familiarity? If it's one of those two things,
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  then that's not a good reason. Yeah.
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  I'm just going to stay. And I've used those reasons
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  myself many times, but that's not a good reason to stay where
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  you are. And then, you know, ask
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  yourself, does this doing this thing, whatever it is.
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  And, and sometimes this is very clear and, and other times it
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  isn't. But a lot of times I find it's
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  pretty clear. Does this show my love for God?
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  And does it show my love for others?
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  Or is this out of my love for God and out of my love for
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  others? And if the answer to those two
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  questions is yes, then why would God say no?
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  You know, why? Why would He want you to
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  withhold that or to say no to that?
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  And like I said before, if you step forward and that is not of
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  the Lord, then He's God. He can take that away or He can
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  close that door. But I think that you can move
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  forward with confidence and know that He's for you.
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  Yeah, it's better to move forward, to just stand still.
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  I mean, I heard a Bible teacher, she said that you're never
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  standing still. If anything, you're moving
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  backwards because you should always be moving forward.
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  That's what she. Said, and it was.
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  Just thought provoking and that stuck with me.
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  OK. I always like to end our time
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  together with a take away. Something that the listener can
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  ponder on or take action in. Yeah.
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  So the nugget that I would give to our listeners today is to
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  just come to God with any area where you feel stuck or you feel
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  hesitant to move forward and just ask him, God, is this
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  hesitation from you or how do you want me to move forward and
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  just be completely honest with him and that.
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  And I think that sometimes we try to withhold those fears and
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  those areas of our lives where we're stuck.
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  But the more that we come to him with that, the more we'll see
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  his leading. And so that would be the
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  encouragement. Well.
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  Thank you. Share with us where people can
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  connect with you and get your amazing book, if there's any
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  good easier offering and all that.
• 28:29
  Absolutely, yeah. So they can connect with me at
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• 28:36
  I have a free five day challenge.
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  It's five days to life unstuck that I will send their way.
• 28:42
  And then you can also find all the places where you can buy
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  surrendering certainty there on my website.
• 28:49
  Of course, the most popular one popular one is Amazon.
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  So of course you can buy it there or at Leafwood Publishers.
• 28:58
  And yeah, that's I'd love to hear.
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  From you. Thank you so much Abby, for
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  giving us your wisdom on this and this incredible message that
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  God placed in your heart. Thank you.
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  Thank you, Jamie. Thank you so much for listening
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