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The Rita Panahi Show | 8 October · The Rita Panahi Show

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Speaker 1: Starting right now, The Rita Panahy Show.
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Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to The Rita Panahy Show. I'm
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Speaker 2: James Morrow, filling in for Rita, and here's what's coming
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Speaker 2: up tonight. What better way to defend Western civilization than
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Speaker 2: to go where it all began? We'll hear what Marco
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Speaker 2: Rubio had to say on Western decline and stopping it. Plus,
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Speaker 2: Minnesota Senate hopeful Abdul El-Sayed may not be on the
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Speaker 2: winning track the Democrats seem to portray as they pull
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Speaker 2: out the emergency Obama card at a Detroit rally. And
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Speaker 2: Australian students, inspired by the chaotic protests in France, have
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Speaker 2: now decided that they are going to do their own
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Speaker 2: Remembrance Day anti-far-right Pauline Hanson protests.
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Speaker 3: Good luck to them. Oh, yeah.
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Speaker 2: And Nipo babies are dominating the runway this Fashion Week.
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Speaker 2: Turns out natural beauty doesn't count for much anymore, I guess.
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Speaker 2: Your last name can take you a whole lot of places.
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Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
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Speaker 2: And what's more, Trump has some choice words for hecklers
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Speaker 2: who tried to disrupt his latest Texas rally.
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Speaker 5: You know, I never talk about looks of a person,
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Speaker 5: but those are really bad-looking people, you have to say.
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Speaker 5: They are bad-looking people.
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Speaker 2: We'll hear all about that on Lefty's Losing It a
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Speaker 2: little bit later in the show. But first, the Albanese
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Speaker 2: government has been accused of grey corruption for its grant
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Speaker 2: scheme that saw $ 6 million awarded to Anthony Albanese's local
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Speaker 2: golf club, Royal Marrickville, as we love to call it.
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Speaker 2: University of Sydney professor Emerita Antwomi, who the prime minister
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Speaker 2: himself has previously described as, quote, very respected, said, blasted
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Speaker 2: the grant rules behind the grant in a submission to
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Speaker 2: a parliamentary inquiry. She said the rules are a, quote,
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Speaker 2: farce and recommended politicians take lessons in both federalism and integrity. Gee,
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Speaker 2: that would be nice, wouldn't it? She also said that
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Speaker 2: it was, quote, DIA deliberately constructed this grants program to, quote,
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Speaker 2: provide a public perception of integrity and propriety while facilitating
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Speaker 2: political patronage and the grant of favors with public money
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Speaker 2: contrary to the public interest. Oh, my word, how cynical. Well,
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Speaker 2: joining me now to discuss this and a whole lot
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Speaker 2: more is Benzies Research Center senior fellow Nick Cater and
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Speaker 2: former Liberal MP Nicole Flint. Wow, pretty big words here
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Speaker 2: from Anne Twomey, and she is a respected professor, but
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Speaker 2: Nick Cater, I'll start with you. She suggested that if
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Speaker 2: politicians want to make these kinds of local promises, maybe
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Speaker 2: they should stand as local councillors.
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Speaker 1: Well, I think it's a very good idea, actually.
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Speaker 6: Although, you know, I mean, he's doing enough job damage
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Speaker 6: as Prime Minister. I'd like to see what sort of
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Speaker 6: damage he did as a councillor for Marrickville. It could
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Speaker 6: be quite substantial for the people of Marrickville, I'd suggest. But, look,
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Speaker 6: I mean, Antrim is absolutely right.
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Speaker 1: What you have here is the federal.
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Speaker 6: Government, which is not supposed to be dealing with things like,
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Speaker 6: you know, tending the greens at golf courses and one
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Speaker 6: thing and another.
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Speaker 1: Deliberately dipping into that. For what reason?
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Speaker 6: There's no other reason but for electoral gain. The distribution
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Speaker 6: of these grants, the way they're handed out, the seats
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Speaker 6: that they're given to, in this case the Prime Minister's seat.
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Speaker 1: Their electoral game.
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Speaker 6: But in this case, I think it is considerably worse
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Speaker 6: than that because the Prime Minister has a property near
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Speaker 6: the golf course, I understand.
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Speaker 1: And then he should have declared.
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Speaker 6: That, that he has a potentially, and he would say potentially,
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Speaker 6: of course, a personal interest in ensuring that the golf
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Speaker 6: club thrives as a green, open space. So, you know,
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Speaker 6: this is triply, I think, disturbing. And I would like
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Speaker 6: to see these things phased out.
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Speaker 1: I think they have happened recently.
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Speaker 6: To some extent under both parties, but I think this
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Speaker 6: is probably the worst I've seen.
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Speaker 2: Well, indeed, Nikita, but Nicole Flint, you know, we have
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Speaker 2: heard Labor in previous campaigns against the coalition accuse them
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Speaker 2: of things like, you know, remember the sports warts campaign
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Speaker 2: when the coalition was accused of doing precisely this sort
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Speaker 2: of thing, directing money through grants programs to its favourite
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Speaker 2: electorates and marginal constituencies.
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Speaker 3: This just shrieks hypocrisy.
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Speaker 7: Well, of course it does, James, but that's exactly what
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Speaker 7: we expect from the Albanese Labor government, isn't it? I've
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Speaker 7: been very encouraged to see Professor Toimi come out in
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Speaker 7: such a strong manner.
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Speaker 8: She is a very respected academic.
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Speaker 7: It would be nice perhaps if she weighed in on
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Speaker 7: some other grants programs like the... $ 325 million worth of
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Speaker 7: multicultural grants that have gone to, in large part, to
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Speaker 7: Labor electorates, something like 95% of funds have been handed
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Speaker 7: to Labor seats.
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Speaker 8: So what I really am.
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Speaker 7: Annoyed about, and it happens every single time, Where on
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Speaker 7: earth is the left-leaning media on this?
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Speaker 8: Where's the ABC? Where's Fairfax Nine? Whatever they're called these days.
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Speaker 8: They're so irrelevant. Nobody listens to them anyway, I suppose.
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Speaker 8: But where are they weighing in on this?
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Speaker 7: Because they certainly pursued Bridget McKenzie until she was forced
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Speaker 7: to stand down. They pursued Barry O'Farrell over a bottle
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Speaker 7: of wine, which looks pretty insignificant to the information and
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Speaker 7: evidence that we're seeing now.
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Speaker 8: So I'd like to see a bipartisan media approach to holding.
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Speaker 7: both parties, all parties, all MPs to account for this,
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Speaker 7: but particularly the ones who are in the decision-making power
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Speaker 7: like the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 2: Well, yes, exactly, and well said. And, of course, you know,
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Speaker 2: it is, at the end of the day, our money.
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Speaker 2: It doesn't matter how you vote. We're all paying for this.
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Speaker 2: But other ways that we're all paying for things too, well,
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Speaker 2: one of them just came down in the High Court,
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Speaker 2: and industry groups have warned that future investment in coal
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Speaker 2: and gas projects across Australia could now be at risk
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Speaker 2: after that landmark High Court ruling yesterday, which overturned the
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Speaker 2: approval of a New South Wales coal mine extension because...
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Speaker 2: Apparently authorities had failed to properly consider the impact of
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Speaker 2: emissions of the coal that's used by the mine's customers. Well,
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Speaker 2: the coalition has demanded the Amnesian men's labor governments put
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Speaker 2: forward legislation to eliminate uncertainty about all this through the
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Speaker 2: so-called Scope 3 emissions. But, Nicole Flint, I'll start with you.
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Speaker 2: Is this all as bad as it sounds, or are
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Speaker 2: the green groups themselves gilding the lily a bit by
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Speaker 2: saying that there's actually a greater risk from this high
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Speaker 2: court decision than there might be?
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Speaker 8: Well, unfortunately, I suppose we'll have to wait and see, James.
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Speaker 7: But what is hugely concerning is the confidence issue or
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Speaker 7: the confidence crisis that this inspires through the business community.
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Speaker 7: Because on any given day of the week, it's quite
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Speaker 7: a guess to know what new crisis is going to
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Speaker 7: be approaching them. So, look, we've seen over the past
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Speaker 7: week small businesses absolutely in huge distress about the changes
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Speaker 7: to the credit card rules through the ATO and also
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Speaker 7: not being able to pass on charges that banks charge
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Speaker 7: them to their customers. So on any given day of
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Speaker 7: the week, there is a new challenge that just knocks
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Speaker 7: business confidence. And so no wonder we have a productivity crisis.
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Speaker 7: No wonder we have an investment crisis when there is
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Speaker 7: absolutely no certainty as to what the rules will be
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Speaker 7: on any day of the week for businesses, whether they
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Speaker 7: are small, medium or large.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. And Nick, you know, you have this huge problem
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Speaker 2: here in New South Wales and across Australia where you've
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Speaker 2: got activist groups that are now actively engaging in lawfare
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Speaker 2: against the fuel projects and the mining projects that are
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Speaker 2: basically the only thing right now that are keeping us
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Speaker 2: passing as some sort of, you know, notion of a
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Speaker 2: rich nation. What can be done about that? Because certainly
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Speaker 2: the taxpayer funding of some of these groups, I find
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Speaker 2: like the Environmental Defender's Office, just galling.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.
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Speaker 6: And then our donation laws, our tax deductibility laws mean
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Speaker 6: that people can donate and are donating certainly tens of
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Speaker 6: millions of dollars, much of which is coming from overseas,
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Speaker 6: for lawfare campaigning. This is now the way they campaign.
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Speaker 6: It's now the way they disrupt the democratic will of.
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Speaker 1: of the country.
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Speaker 6: I struggle to see how the High Court came to
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Speaker 6: this decision at all. Because, I mean, who makes this decision?
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Speaker 6: Who decides whether emissions from coal mined here but burnt in, say,
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Speaker 6: India or South Korea, who decides that that is now
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Speaker 6: suddenly part of our responsibility? Because that's not what the
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Speaker 6: Paris process said, it's not what the COP process said.
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Speaker 6: They're very clear in their accounting rules... you're only responsible
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Speaker 6: for the emissions that occur in your country. So even
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Speaker 6: if we take this whole carbon accounting, COP31, pre-COP, you know,
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Speaker 6: nonsense seriously, it doesn't make any sense. The New South
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Speaker 6: Wales government's got no right to overrule that and they
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Speaker 6: are not signatories to any international treaty. It is only
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Speaker 6: the federal government. So it makes no sense at all.
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Speaker 6: It just seems to me.
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Speaker 1: This is a.
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Speaker 6: Judges on the High Court clearly had sympathy with the
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Speaker 6: view expressed by the advocates, and they've ensured this is
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Speaker 6: now part of the law. We need to change the
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Speaker 6: law to stop it happening again.
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Speaker 2: Well, indeed, Nick, you're spot on. But I add one
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Speaker 2: more point, too. When we sell Australian coal to foreign countries,
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Speaker 2: very often that coal is burning cleaner. It's a cleaner
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Speaker 2: burning coal than what they can get from a lot
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Speaker 2: of other countries. So maybe we ought to get a
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Speaker 2: bit of credit for that. But, you know, we don't
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Speaker 2: get that sort of credit.
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Speaker 3: But anyway.
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Speaker 6: And James, I mean, why are we responsible for what
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Speaker 6: they do with it anyway? You know, they might be
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Speaker 6: just putting it on the mantelpiece as a decoration, which
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Speaker 6: is all we know. If they choose to burn it,
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Speaker 6: that's down to them.
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Speaker 2: Sort of like Scott Morrison bringing it into Parliament and
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Speaker 2: just saying, here's my ornamental hunk of coal. But hey, look,
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Speaker 2: there is good news out there. And it's coming to
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Speaker 2: us out of Greece, where in front of a huge,
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Speaker 2: stunning backdrop of the Acropolis, U.S. Secretary of State Marco
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Speaker 2: Rubio has given an absolutely unbelievable speech. stirring, stepwinder speech
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Speaker 2: on the need to protect Western civilization, where we've gone astray,
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Speaker 2: and what we need to do to save it. Here's
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Speaker 2: just a little bit of it.
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Speaker 9: And now, today, we find ourselves at a crossroads because
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Speaker 9: the next decade and the decisions we make will write
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Speaker 9: the story of the next century. The course we take
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Speaker 9: will determine whether the West maintains its place at the
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Speaker 9: head of the world or resigns itself to a future
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Speaker 9: of atrophy and servitude and decline, we will either choose
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Speaker 9: to act now or lose the choice to act at all.
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Speaker 2: And I'll tell you what, guys, the whole speech was
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Speaker 2: absolutely magnificent. He covered everything from why nationalism should not
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Speaker 2: be a dirty word to the Greek concept of thumos,
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Speaker 2: the ancient Greek concept that drives civilization and the brilliance
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Speaker 2: of our 2,500 years of Western civilization. Nick Cater, it
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Speaker 2: was so refreshing to see a politician talk like this
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Speaker 2: long overdue. Do you think we need to see more
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Speaker 2: politicians everywhere saying, yeah, we're the heirs to something really
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Speaker 2: special here and you can't just mess it up?
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Speaker 1: That's right.
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Speaker 6: And I think we could do with teaching some of
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Speaker 6: our politicians and certainly some of our school teachers and
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Speaker 6: university lecturers the importance of where he held that speech
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Speaker 6: in Greece.
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Speaker 1: In Athens.
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Speaker 6: This is the centre of this birth of civilisation, the
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Speaker 6: birth of the democratic process that led through degrees to
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Speaker 6: what this wonderful thing we call civilisation now, the thing
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Speaker 6: that is... Those on the left seem to not care
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Speaker 6: much for and want to destroy. So, yes, we can't
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Speaker 6: say this often enough. You know, people are welcome to
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Speaker 6: criticise our history, but first they need to know it.
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Speaker 6: And if this speech gets the coverage and teaches people
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Speaker 6: a little bit more about how valuable the inheritance we
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Speaker 6: have is, then it will have served a purpose.
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Speaker 2: Nicole Flint, you know, you've spent time in parliament yourself
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Speaker 2: and you spent time with parliamentarians, obviously. Do you think
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Speaker 2: our parliamentarians and the people who lead us need to
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Speaker 2: learn a bit more appreciation for why we have a parliament,
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Speaker 2: why we have these democratic institutions and what it is
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Speaker 2: that they're supposed to be representing no matter what party
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Speaker 2: they're in?
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Speaker 7: Well, things like our constitutional monarchy and our Westminster parliamentary tradition,
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Speaker 7: for example, James, I think a lot of people could
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Speaker 7: spend a lot of time brushing off on, both of
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Speaker 7: which I've always defended, and our Judeo-Christian values.
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Speaker 8: The problem is.
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Speaker 7: well, at the moment, well over half the parliament don't
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Speaker 7: believe in any of these values, it seems, and would
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Speaker 7: much rather promote cultures and value systems that have no
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Speaker 7: place and no relevance in what is one of the
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Speaker 7: best countries in the world, Australia, free, respectful and safe, overwhelmingly.
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Speaker 7: So this is a big challenge that we have. And
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Speaker 7: it's communicating with voters.
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Speaker 8: More than anyone.
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Speaker 7: But we look at the polls again, and it seems that,
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Speaker 7: of course, One Nation are well and truly in the
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Speaker 7: lead of both the Labor and the Liberal Party, because
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Speaker 7: they are. standing up very vocally for Western values and
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Speaker 7: Western civilisation at the moment.
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Speaker 8: So it will be fascinating to.
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Speaker 7: See what the two major parties do in response, and
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Speaker 7: especially in the context of this excellent speech by Rubio.
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Speaker 2: I'd love to see, you know, we could get Angus
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Speaker 2: Taylor and Anthony Albanese together to debate Herodotus or something.
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Speaker 3: That would be really fantastic.
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Speaker 2: But, you know, speaking of politicians who do not represent
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Speaker 2: the best of the Western tradition, let's say, New York
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Speaker 2: City Mayor Zoran Mamdani, and we've just marked, of course,
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Speaker 2: the October 7th anniversary. Well, he has come under fire
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Speaker 2: for this unbelievable statement he made marking the anniversary of
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Speaker 2: the Hamas attacks on Israel. So he made this statement,
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Speaker 2: and he acknowledged the grief felt by Israelis, but then
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Speaker 2: he went on to say, quote, the suffering did not
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Speaker 2: begin nor end that day. It instead continued through the
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Speaker 2: Israeli government's devastating ongoing genocide in Gaza. Nick Cater, I mean,
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Speaker 2: this is precisely what we're talking about, this sort of
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Speaker 2: cultural relativism that then bleeds into, well, I don't know,
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Speaker 2: I guess as the Rolling Stones said, sympathy for the devil.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, look, the intellectual left, they need to keep trying
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Speaker 6: to rewrite this narrative because their whole self-image of being virtuous, kind, thoughtful,
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Speaker 6: progressive people rests on this narrative being true.
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Speaker 1: If the truth came.
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Speaker 6: Out, you know, if we acknowledge that narrative, the attack
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Speaker 6: on October 7th was unprovoked, was violent, was vicious, the
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Speaker 6: deliberately targeted children, women, the most vulnerable people in the
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Speaker 6: community was not aimed at active soldiers, then I think
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Speaker 6: if they acknowledged that, then they would have to admit
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Speaker 6: that they got the whole thing very wrong. But, of course,
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Speaker 6: they won't do that. They never do. It's all about
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Speaker 6: sustaining their image of them as the virtuous ones, the anointed.
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Speaker 3: Indeed.
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Speaker 1: And so that's what's going on here.
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Speaker 6: So I expect we'll see more of this.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and just, Nicole Flint, very quickly, just have a
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Speaker 2: second here, but how interesting and funny is it that
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Speaker 2: our own Australian Greens now seem to be trying to
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Speaker 2: steal all of Zoran Mamdani's policies?
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Speaker 7: Honestly, James, the only thing that's going to fix Victoria's
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Speaker 7: horrific crime situation is more investment in more police and
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Speaker 7: cracking down on law and order, not saying, especially to juvenile.
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Speaker 8: Offenders, oh, don't worry, it's OK, it's because of your upbringing.
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Speaker 7: You're not at fault. It's not your parents' fault either. No,
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Speaker 7: we need to see tough on law and order. That's
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Speaker 7: the only thing that will fix Victoria's the disgraceful crime
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Speaker 7: epidemic in Victoria.
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Speaker 2: And it's not just the cops that are responsible for that,
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Speaker 2: but it is the judiciary that I think is the
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Speaker 2: really big problem in that state. Nick Cater, Nicole Flint,
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Speaker 2: thank you so much for joining me tonight. Well, the
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Speaker 2: world has been watching on as those so-called school protests
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Speaker 2: in France descend into chaos and anarchy. A nation once
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Speaker 2: synonymous with sophistication, fine cuisine, education, learning, and fine art
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Speaker 2: is now being torn apart by younger generations. Of course,
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Speaker 2: not for the first time, because they have learned to
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Speaker 2: hate the country they have grown up in. And the
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Speaker 2: question inevitably comes, how have the French gotten there? And
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Speaker 2: will the same thing happen here? This descent into anarchy
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Speaker 2: poses a warning to Western democracies like ours that this
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Speaker 2: is what happens when social division is allowed to fester,
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Speaker 2: when institutions lose authority, and society loses their common bonds. Now,
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Speaker 2: the greatest danger, of course, we have is failing to
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Speaker 2: recognize the warning signs until it's too late. And now
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Speaker 2: those warning signs in Australia appear to be flashing red.
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Speaker 2: Australian students inspired by the riots in France have reportedly,
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Speaker 2: according to the Daily Telegraph, planned anti-Pauline Hanson's protests on
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Speaker 2: Remembrance Day, November 11th, a day set aside to honor
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Speaker 2: those who served, those who sacrificed, and those who never
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Speaker 2: came home. So instead, apparently these students are going to
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Speaker 2: be using the day to fight the right. and Pauline Hanson.
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Speaker 2: And it's a group called High School Anti-Capitalist Victoria. They've
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Speaker 2: said high schoolers in France have taught the world a
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Speaker 2: valuable lesson about how to fight for change. We need
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Speaker 2: to take the fight back ourselves, walk out of class
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Speaker 2: on the 11th, and send a clear message to politicians
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Speaker 2: that high schoolers everywhere are fighters for justice. But little
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Speaker 2: do these young academics know that the veterans who serve
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Speaker 2: this country are the reason they can protest. because they
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Speaker 2: were the ones who fought for their freedoms, not waging
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Speaker 2: culture wars against their own country. To hear more about this,
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Speaker 2: I'm joined by child and adolescent psychologist Claire Rowe. Claire,
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Speaker 2: thank you so much for joining me here on the
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Speaker 2: program this evening. What do we know about these protests
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Speaker 2: and how are school administrators responding?
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Hi, James.
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Speaker 8: Good to be with you.
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Speaker 10: Well, as you said, you know, these student work walkouts,
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Speaker 10: organized by a group called the High School Anti-Capitalists.
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Speaker 8: But this is a group that has links to a.
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Speaker 10: Wider adult organization called the Socialist Alternative. So that is
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Speaker 10: a Marxist organization that openly advocates replacing capitalism with socialism.
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Speaker 10: So look, in my mind, this is a recruitment drive
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Speaker 10: for children. They are encouraging students to leave their classrooms
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Speaker 10: on November 11th to protest, against the political right. And,
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Speaker 10: of course, James, it's not a Saturday morning that these
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Speaker 10: children are going to take to the streets. It's, you know,
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Speaker 10: during the week during maths or probably history lessons actually.
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Speaker 8: That these students are going to miss out on.
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Speaker 10: And it is concerning because these organisers have explicitly pointed
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Speaker 10: to these violent groups protests in France as inspiration. Now,
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Speaker 10: you know, I don't have a problem with young people
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Speaker 10: being politically engaged. I'll defend that right, regardless of what
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Speaker 10: side of politics they support. But, you know, here's the
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Speaker 10: test I'd apply. And I think if hundreds of students
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Speaker 10: organised a walkout in support of Pauline Hanson, you know,
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Speaker 10: would we see the same people celebrating their political engagement?
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Speaker 8: Because, you know, if we're only.
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Speaker 10: Comfortable with children protesting when we agree with them, That's
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Speaker 10: not supporting independent political thought.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but, you know, I'm just curious about, you know,
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Speaker 2: in your practice, because you work with young people, this
20:46
Speaker 2: just seems like the latest sort of alarmism that is
20:49
Speaker 2: being pushed down kids' throats. You know, first it was climate.
20:52
Speaker 2: You know, when I was a kid, it was nuclear holocausts.
20:54
Speaker 3: That's how old I am.
20:58
Speaker 2: It seems like it's just very unfair going on with
21:00
Speaker 2: young people that they're being used as tools by, I think,
21:03
Speaker 2: more powerful and sinister forces as kind of, you know,
21:07
Speaker 2: weaponising their youthful innocence.
21:10
Speaker 10: Yeah, look, I think you're right because, as you point out,
21:13
Speaker 10: where are the climate protests and marches gone? They've just
21:16
Speaker 10: gone by the wayside. And we do know, you know,
21:19
Speaker 10: they are a prime target market because teenagers are particularly
21:24
Speaker 10: susceptible to peer influence and, and belonging and emotionally charged messaging, right?
21:30
Speaker 10: And so political movements can be very, very appealing to them.
21:34
Speaker 10: They offer young people a sense of belonging and identity,
21:37
Speaker 10: and they think moral purpose. But if you talk to
21:41
Speaker 10: some of these kids who are going and protesting, many
21:44
Speaker 10: of them, I'm not saying all, but many of them
21:46
Speaker 10: cannot define capitalism, fascism, communism, let alone how explain how
21:52
Speaker 10: it works in society or doesn't work. So Being passionate
21:56
Speaker 10: about a cause isn't the same thing as being informed.
22:01
Speaker 3: About a cause.
22:01
Speaker 10: And, of course, yes, they get swept up with the
22:04
Speaker 10: movement and it's just sitting prey, I think, for activist groups.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think it's a real shame, particularly because
22:11
Speaker 2: the curriculum, I think, lets them down by not teaching them,
22:14
Speaker 2: Claire Rowe, all of the things that you were talking
22:17
Speaker 2: about there. What is capitalism? What is fascism? Which works better?
22:20
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your time, Claire Rowe. Really
22:23
Speaker 2: appreciate it. Still to come, lefties losing it. Plus, Minnesota
22:28
Speaker 2: Senate hopeful El Sayed pulls out the emergency Obama card
22:32
Speaker 2: at a Detroit rally. John Heinreger will tell us more
22:36
Speaker 2: after the break. Well, now it's time for Lefties Losing It.
22:47
Speaker 2: And with the American midterm elections just four weeks away, well,
22:52
Speaker 2: guess what? The pot is boiling over with lefties trying
22:55
Speaker 2: to turn being unhinged into a winning political strategy. How's
23:01
Speaker 2: that working out for them? Well, let's have a look.
23:04
Speaker 2: Earlier today, Donald Trump was speaking at a rally in Texas.
23:08
Speaker 2: And because they didn't like what the president had to say, Democrats, lefties,
23:14
Speaker 2: activists decided they would try and shout him down.
23:18
Speaker 3: What do you reckon?
23:20
Speaker 2: How is that going to work for them? Now, have
23:22
Speaker 2: a look here. They started out by heckling Maria Vega.
23:25
Speaker 2: She's an angel mom. Her son, who was a U.S. Marine,
23:29
Speaker 2: was killed by an illegal alien, actually two of them,
23:33
Speaker 2: during a robbery attempt when he was out fishing with
23:36
Speaker 2: his family. No wonder they wanted to shut down that speech,
23:40
Speaker 2: as well as Vega herself, because, as we all know,
23:43
Speaker 2: it was all about the importance of Second Amendment rights.
23:47
Speaker 3: Have a look at what happened.
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Speaker 11: Democrats want to strip us of those rights.
24:03
Speaker 2: No! Absolute chaos. But Trump had some choice words for
24:28
Speaker 2: those fellas.
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Speaker 5: You know, many of these protesters are paid.
24:31
Speaker 3: You know that, right?
24:32
Speaker 5: Because you come in, and, you know, they'll have, like,
24:34
Speaker 5: this perfect shirt on, made by the best printer money
24:37
Speaker 5: can buy.
24:38
Speaker 1: And they all have.
24:39
Speaker 5: I love when they all have the same exact signs,
24:41
Speaker 5: all beautiful pink and purple and blue and all different colors.
24:45
Speaker 5: And they're perfect, made by the same printer. Very expensive signs.
24:49
Speaker 5: They don't make these signs. They don't make these signs.
24:52
Speaker 5: These are paid protesters. They're paid by enemies of our nation.
24:57
Speaker 5: And here's what's curious to me.
24:59
Speaker 2: A Democrat-linked ex-account, which calls itself simply Headquarters, has been
25:04
Speaker 2: gleefully following along each time Trump was interrupted, keeping a tally.
25:08
Speaker 2: Here's what they said was the fourth protester to interrupt
25:12
Speaker 2: the rally. Yeah, I think that one copped a drenching there.
25:36
Speaker 2: And this is what the account said was protester number seven.
25:40
Speaker 1: We love you, boy. Thank you, Maria.
25:46
Speaker 5: So many stories like that, so many people would be alive,
25:48
Speaker 5: so many great young, beautiful people and older people too.
25:53
Speaker 3: You get the idea.
25:54
Speaker 2: But two things stand out to me from this incident here. One,
25:58
Speaker 2: the protesters, far from shutting down the rally, only seem
26:02
Speaker 2: to galvanize both the crowd and Trump. And two, it
26:07
Speaker 2: also tells me, this strategy says, that the Democrats are
26:11
Speaker 2: nervous about the upcoming midterms because if they're resorting to
26:16
Speaker 2: this sort of tactic rather than argument and reason, well...
26:20
Speaker 2: wonder what their internal polls are telling them. Meanwhile, let's
26:24
Speaker 2: go over to New York City, where on the anniversary
26:27
Speaker 2: of the October 7 attack, this man carrying an American
26:31
Speaker 2: and Israeli flag was attacked and chased off the street
26:34
Speaker 2: by masked thugs.
26:35
Speaker 3: Yelling Allahu Akbar.
27:09
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, uptown at Columbia University, you remember how much fun
27:12
Speaker 2: they had up there. This group marked the occasion in
27:15
Speaker 2: their own ways.
27:17
Speaker 11: One, three, four, up you come!
27:38
Speaker 2: Now, my duolingo's a little rusty, but apparently they were
27:41
Speaker 2: chanting some sort of variation on the old river-to-the-sea chant,
27:44
Speaker 2: which is charming. Anyway, speaking of academia, here's socialist Angie
27:48
Speaker 2: Nixon defending having a shrine to cop killers in her bookstore.
27:52
Speaker 3: I was wondering where you could find cop killers.
27:53
Speaker 11: Over there today. And so in regards to that, you know,
27:59
Speaker 11: back in the day, thank you for your great question,
28:01
Speaker 11: and I appreciate you being a tracker here today with me.
28:06
Speaker 11: And so as it relates to that, oftentimes some of
28:09
Speaker 11: those people were actually, they were exonerated, and oftentimes in
28:14
Speaker 11: my community a long time ago, black people were actually arrested,
28:19
Speaker 11: and there was a thing called COINTELPRO, And they were
28:23
Speaker 11: lied on.
28:24
Speaker 8: A lot of the groups were lied on.
28:26
Speaker 11: And it's just now coming out that, honestly, a lot
28:28
Speaker 11: of folks were actually set up.
28:31
Speaker 2: Word to the wise, when you start to hear conspiracy
28:34
Speaker 2: theorists like that talk about COINTELPRO, you know you're deep
28:37
Speaker 2: in the weeds. Finally, we all know that local governments
28:42
Speaker 2: are home to some of the greatest freak shows around.
28:45
Speaker 2: But in a small town in Iowa, yes, I said Iowa, people,
28:50
Speaker 2: called Ottumwa, You're not going to believe this one. They
28:53
Speaker 2: tried to open a council meeting with a prayer, not
28:56
Speaker 2: to the Almighty, but to Satan.
28:59
Speaker 1: Let us pray.
29:01
Speaker 4: Dear Dark Father, let us stand now unbowed and unfettered
29:04
Speaker 4: by arcane doctrines born of fearful minds in darkened times.
29:07
Speaker 4: Let us embrace the Luciferian impulse to eat of the
29:09
Speaker 4: tree of knowledge and dissipate our blissful and comforting delusions
29:13
Speaker 4: of old. Let us demand that individuals be judged for
29:16
Speaker 4: their concrete actions, not their fealty to arbitrary social norms
29:20
Speaker 4: and illusory categorizations. Let us reason our solutions with agnosticism
29:25
Speaker 4: in all things, holding fast only to that which is
29:28
Speaker 4: demonstrably true. Let us stand firm against any and all
29:31
Speaker 4: arbitrary authority that threatens the personal sovereignty of one or all.
29:34
Speaker 4: That which will not bend must break, and that which
29:37
Speaker 4: can be destroyed by truth should never be spared.
29:40
Speaker 8: Its demise.
29:41
Speaker 3: It is done.
29:42
Speaker 12: Hail Satan.
29:44
Speaker 3: Ah, hail Satan. Bless.
29:45
Speaker 2: Look, in John Milton's epic 1667 poem Paradise Lost, Satan
29:51
Speaker 2: says he would rather raid in hell than serve in heaven.
29:55
Speaker 2: But it looks like he's had a demotion from the
29:58
Speaker 2: underworld and to the Ottumwa City Council. As the saying goes,
30:04
Speaker 2: not today, Satan. Well, it's all happening in the once
30:09
Speaker 2: serene state of Minnesota, which was once considered a peaceful
30:14
Speaker 2: paradise where prosperity, nature, and what Time Magazine once called
30:19
Speaker 2: the good life was on offer. But that was way
30:24
Speaker 2: back in 1973. Now, though, things are a bit different
30:28
Speaker 2: in the U.S. state that invented the concept of Minnesota nice.
30:33
Speaker 2: Here's a bit of U.S. attorney from Minnesota, Dan Rosen,
30:38
Speaker 2: speaking about this not long ago.
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Speaker 13: I'm pleased to announce that as a result of their
30:44
Speaker 13: tremendous vigilance and professionalism, the FBI yesterday arrested and today
30:51
Speaker 13: we have charged an individual who was planning a mass
30:54
Speaker 13: casualty attack. in support of ISIS at the Mall of
30:58
Speaker 13: America later this month. A complaint was filed this morning
31:04
Speaker 13: here in Federal District Court. The complaint charges Sheikh Doun
31:08
Speaker 13: Abdullahi Mohammed with acquiring an AK-47 assault rifle and 200
31:13
Speaker 13: rounds of ammunition in order to commit a federal crime
31:17
Speaker 13: of terrorism.
31:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, that doesn't sound so Minnesota nice to me. And
31:22
Speaker 2: according to the New York Post, quote, in text messages
31:26
Speaker 2: with a confidential FBI source, Mohammed repeatedly affirmed his intent
31:31
Speaker 2: to carry out an attack to kill victims.
31:34
Speaker 3: non-Muslims, unquote.
31:36
Speaker 2: Well, joining me now to discuss this and a lot
31:39
Speaker 2: more from Minnesota is the very embodiment of Minnesota Dice himself,
31:44
Speaker 2: the president of the Center for the American Experiment and
31:47
Speaker 2: publisher of the Powerline blog, John Heineraker. John, great to
31:51
Speaker 2: see you, but I got to say, things in Minnesota,
31:56
Speaker 2: what's going on over there?
31:59
Speaker 14: Well, things have gone downhill badly since that famous Time
32:02
Speaker 14: magazine cover story. And by the way, James, don't you
32:05
Speaker 14: have some personal connection to that famous story?
32:09
Speaker 3: Yes, that's right.
32:09
Speaker 2: My father actually wrote that cover story that I put
32:13
Speaker 2: up there on the screen, which people have been talking
32:16
Speaker 2: about ever since things really, as you say, started to
32:18
Speaker 2: go down the gurgler.
32:20
Speaker 14: Well, this young guy you just talked about, James, Sheikh
32:23
Speaker 14: Dune Muhammad, he's 18 years old. He was born in
32:26
Speaker 14: the U.S. He's an American citizen. He attended public schools
32:30
Speaker 14: here in Minnesota and wound up as a jihadist. He
32:33
Speaker 14: wanted to fight for ISIS in the Middle East, but
32:36
Speaker 14: he couldn't afford to get there. So he decided to
32:38
Speaker 14: carry out a terrorist attack on the Mall of America,
32:41
Speaker 14: the largest shopping mall in North America. And we have
32:45
Speaker 14: seen this over and over again. Young Somalis from Minnesota
32:50
Speaker 14: who have been radicalized and who have joined the jihad,
32:54
Speaker 14: either overseas or here in the US, it has been
32:57
Speaker 14: going on for years.
32:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's pretty bizarre that he didn't seem to
33:02
Speaker 2: like all that Minnesota nice on offer. Maybe, I don't know,
33:05
Speaker 2: were the tater tot hot dishes not quite to his
33:09
Speaker 2: liking there?
33:09
Speaker 1: I don't know.
33:10
Speaker 2: But, you know, it does seem like you got more
33:12
Speaker 2: than just the terrorism because it's also gangs connected with Somalis.
33:17
Speaker 2: And I've seen a whole bunch of stories about gunfire
33:22
Speaker 2: breaking out in the streets, even at a homecoming football game.
33:26
Speaker 2: Tell us More about this as well, John. And how
33:29
Speaker 2: are the people of Minnesota, which has famously been very
33:33
Speaker 2: Democrat orientated, that's where Tim Walz comes from after all,
33:37
Speaker 2: are people starting to think that, you know, maybe not
33:41
Speaker 2: always diversity is our strength here?
33:44
Speaker 14: Well, they sure are, James. I mean, we have a
33:46
Speaker 14: real problem with Somali gangs in the Twin Cities suburbs.
33:50
Speaker 14: It seems like almost every day there's another shootout. There
33:53
Speaker 14: was one just yesterday where a hundred shots were fired
33:57
Speaker 14: by these Somali gang members. And these are suburbs that
34:01
Speaker 14: are not used to that kind of violence. So Minnesota
34:04
Speaker 14: has had a huge problem with our Somali residents. We
34:08
Speaker 14: haven't even talked about the welfare frauds, which have made
34:11
Speaker 14: international news. They've stolen billions of dollars from our welfare program.
34:17
Speaker 14: So yeah, I think most people in Minnesota have had
34:19
Speaker 14: about enough.
34:21
Speaker 2: Do you think that's ever going to lead to any
34:23
Speaker 2: sort of, I mean, You can't imagine anybody in Minnesota
34:26
Speaker 2: who voted for the Democrats saying maybe Trump had a
34:29
Speaker 2: point here. But is there a point where the kind
34:33
Speaker 2: of center of gravity in politics does start to shift?
34:35
Speaker 2: Because I've known people from Minnesota my whole life. They're
34:39
Speaker 2: generally pretty, you know, to the left, but they also
34:43
Speaker 2: take real pride in this sort of, you know, nice, calm,
34:48
Speaker 2: peaceful paradise that they had created.
34:52
Speaker 14: Well, James, ask me in a month. I mean, we
34:54
Speaker 14: have huge political races going on this year. They're going
34:57
Speaker 14: to be very close. I'm confident that some Republicans will
35:01
Speaker 14: win statewide races. There's a big race for governor going on,
35:05
Speaker 14: big race for the U.S.
35:06
Speaker 1: Senate.
35:07
Speaker 14: And we'll see. I think that this year's election is
35:11
Speaker 14: going to show that most Minnesotans are not happy with
35:14
Speaker 14: the way things have been going.
35:16
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
35:17
Speaker 2: Hey, let's go over also to Michigan. And, you know,
35:19
Speaker 2: I've been absolutely fascinated. with this case of Abdul El-Sayed.
35:24
Speaker 2: But I was intrigued to see that they are now,
35:27
Speaker 2: they've prized Barack Obama out of Martha's Vineyard or wherever
35:31
Speaker 2: he likes to hang out these days to start doing
35:34
Speaker 2: campaign events with El-Sayed. Now I was struck by this
35:37
Speaker 2: because this is pretty rare. Obama loves to play politics,
35:41
Speaker 2: but he really generally does it behind the scenes.
35:44
Speaker 3: This is a direct intervention.
35:46
Speaker 2: Does this suggest that maybe despite some of the public
35:50
Speaker 2: polls showing El Sayed doing all right. They're concerned that
35:53
Speaker 2: they're not going to seal the deal here.
35:56
Speaker 14: James, I think two things are going on here. First
35:58
Speaker 14: of all, as you say, El Sayed obviously needs all
36:02
Speaker 14: the help he can get. The Democrats are bringing in
36:04
Speaker 14: their top guy, Barack Obama. I don't think El Sayed
36:08
Speaker 14: can win a statewide race in Michigan with or without
36:11
Speaker 14: Obama's help. But the other thing that's important here, James,
36:15
Speaker 14: is that the press consistently tries to distinguish between the
36:19
Speaker 14: allegedly moderate Democrats and the more extreme or progressive Democrats.
36:25
Speaker 14: But the reality is they're all extreme. Every one of
36:27
Speaker 14: these nominees, including El-Sayed, all the others, no matter how radical,
36:32
Speaker 14: how anti-Semitic, how socialist they may be, every leader of
36:38
Speaker 14: the Democratic Party gets behind them. They have no criticism
36:42
Speaker 14: for anyone on the left. And we see that here
36:45
Speaker 14: with Barack Obama campaigning for El-Sayed, who is openly anti-American.
36:51
Speaker 2: Well, he's anti-American, but also it suggests to me something
36:54
Speaker 2: that we've seen a lot playing out in much more
36:57
Speaker 2: sort of violent terms in places like France. But this
37:00
Speaker 2: idea of this kind of union between hard left socialist
37:05
Speaker 2: politics and the politics of Islam and Islamism, because al-Sayed
37:11
Speaker 2: himself has an awful lot of connections right through his
37:13
Speaker 2: family to various sorts of groups, including the Muslim Brotherhood.
37:18
Speaker 2: Is this starting to see that kind of European style
37:22
Speaker 2: of politics, which I don't think ends well for anybody,
37:25
Speaker 2: where you start to fuse Islam and hard left socialism together?
37:29
Speaker 2: Is that starting to land now in America?
37:32
Speaker 14: It absolutely is, James. And you've got to throw anti-Semitism
37:35
Speaker 14: into the mix. Anti-Semitism has become one of the pillars
37:39
Speaker 14: of the Democratic Party. And you're absolutely right. It can't
37:43
Speaker 14: possibly end well, this unholy alliance between Islamic radicalism and socialism.
37:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I mean, I think we all remember what
37:53
Speaker 2: happened in Iran in 1979 when the communists backed in
37:56
Speaker 2: the Ayatollahs and did not end well for them in
38:00
Speaker 2: that case. But it does seem, though, that the center
38:04
Speaker 2: of power, the center of energy, I guess, in American
38:07
Speaker 2: politics right now on the left is moving in that direction,
38:10
Speaker 2: even if the national mood isn't that way, because our
38:13
Speaker 2: friend AOC, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who, by the way, I still
38:18
Speaker 2: say is a hot prospect to run in 2028, she
38:22
Speaker 2: was caught on an audio recording by the New York
38:24
Speaker 2: Times saying that El-Sayed was part of a generational project. Now,
38:29
Speaker 2: according to the New York Times, she said, quote, what
38:32
Speaker 2: we do is that we break open the entire political
38:35
Speaker 2: calculus in America, period. Then she went on and said,
38:39
Speaker 2: because if you can win, if Abdul can win in Michigan,
38:44
Speaker 2: anybody can win anywhere. And she added, quote, we are
38:48
Speaker 2: here to break the map. To me, John, that says
38:52
Speaker 2: just how high the stakes really are on this stuff.
38:57
Speaker 14: Yeah, James, for once, I actually agree with Ocasio-Cortez. She's right.
39:01
Speaker 14: If El Sayed can win in Michigan, then a socialist,
39:04
Speaker 14: an anti-Semite, an anti-American candidate can win not everywhere, you know,
39:09
Speaker 14: not everywhere, but most places in the U.S. So, yeah,
39:12
Speaker 14: the stakes are very, very high.
39:15
Speaker 2: Do you agree with me, John, that AOC is looking
39:18
Speaker 2: a likely chance to be either the number one and
39:21
Speaker 2: number two on the ticket in um, in, uh, 2028.
39:27
Speaker 14: James, they don't have anyone else. They're really hard up
39:30
Speaker 14: for candidates. I think if she wants the nomination for
39:33
Speaker 14: one of those slots, there's a good likelihood she can
39:36
Speaker 14: get it.
39:36
Speaker 2: Yeah. And finally, John, I just want to ask you too,
39:39
Speaker 2: because in the last several hours, clips have started to
39:41
Speaker 2: drop of an amazing speech that Marco Rubio, the secretary
39:45
Speaker 2: of state delivered in, uh, Athens with the Acropolis as
39:49
Speaker 2: his backdrop. It was quite amazing, an amazing tour de
39:52
Speaker 2: force of speech defending civilization. Do you think that this
39:56
Speaker 2: may be Rubio's kind of soft launch of his own
40:00
Speaker 2: campaign here, speaking of 2028?
40:01
Speaker 3: Well, I.
40:04
Speaker 14: Hope so, James. I mean, it's no secret that I
40:06
Speaker 14: would love to see Marco Rubio as president. I think
40:08
Speaker 14: he's a I think he's a great leader. I think
40:11
Speaker 14: he's a terrific politician. I don't know whether he's going
40:14
Speaker 14: to go for the presidential nomination in 2028 or not,
40:18
Speaker 14: but I hope he does. I think our country really
40:21
Speaker 14: needs him.
40:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, look, John, I think you're right. I'm a
40:23
Speaker 2: big Rubio guy, but I think between J.D. Vance and
40:26
Speaker 2: Mark Rubio, the Republicans have a pretty deep bench here
40:30
Speaker 2: intellectually to draw on. So that's all good news. John Heinrich,
40:33
Speaker 2: thank you so much for your time. We'll speak again
40:35
Speaker 2: real soon. Coming up, all the highlights and lowlights from
40:39
Speaker 2: Paris Fashion Week.
40:40
Speaker 1: Who knew there was a fashion week in Paris?
40:42
Speaker 2: Kinsey Schofield will have all of that and your other
40:44
Speaker 2: entertainment news coming up after the break. Well, you know,
40:54
Speaker 2: it's not just all riots and revolution in Paris. It's
40:57
Speaker 2: also Paris Fashion Week.
40:58
Speaker 3: And you know what?
40:59
Speaker 2: It couldn't come soon enough. We had actress Naomi Watts'
41:04
Speaker 2: transgender son Kai modeling women's wear on the runway for Valentino.
41:10
Speaker 2: And have a look at this awful display earlier in
41:13
Speaker 2: the week. Most glamorous thing I've ever seen. Joining me
41:25
Speaker 2: now to discuss this and more is the host of
41:27
Speaker 2: the Kinsey Schofield Unfiltered podcast, Kinsey Schofield. Kinsey, thanks so
41:32
Speaker 2: much for joining me tonight. And this Paris Fashion Week,
41:36
Speaker 2: it's great to see something else happening in Paris, but
41:39
Speaker 2: I'm not sure what's uglier, some of the displays on
41:41
Speaker 2: stage or some of the displays in the streets. What's
41:44
Speaker 2: been your highlight or should I say low light of.
41:46
Speaker 3: The whole thing?
41:47
Speaker 12: Well, I did come away with with something positive.
41:51
Speaker 15: My highlight was definitely Nicole Kidman at the Chanel show.
41:54
Speaker 15: She was sitting front row with Kristen Wiig, Dua Lipa
41:57
Speaker 15: and Pedro Pascal. And they were genuinely having the best time.
42:01
Speaker 15: Chanel was playing Britney Spears.
42:03
Speaker 12: Give me more. And Nicole was dancing in her seat.
42:05
Speaker 12: Everyone was laughing. And I thought this. is what Fashion
42:08
Speaker 12: Week should be. Glamorous, playful, a little bit ridiculous, but fun.
42:12
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, that's good.
42:13
Speaker 2: Hey, you know, there's also been a bit of controversy
42:16
Speaker 2: because Page Six, they've said that it's been a big
42:19
Speaker 2: year for the Nipo babies at the Fashion Week. Tell
42:22
Speaker 2: us some of the highlights of that here. And, I mean,
42:25
Speaker 2: is that a fair criticism to call somebody a Nipo
42:28
Speaker 2: baby if they've, you know, had the luck to grow
42:30
Speaker 2: up in this environment?
42:32
Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean, I couldn't even put together a full
42:36
Speaker 15: list for you. Apple Martin was there making her runway
42:39
Speaker 15: debut with Khloe. Now, that's the 22-year-old daughter of Gwyneth
42:42
Speaker 15: Paltrow and Chris Martin of Coldplay. John Travolta's daughter, Ella Blue,
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Speaker 15: was there. Heidi Klum was there with her 16-year-old daughter,
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Speaker 15: Lou Samuel, sitting next to Paris Jackson, another Nepo baby.
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Speaker 15: You know, bratty Brooklyn Beckham skipped Momtoria's show, but that's
42:57
Speaker 15: okay because he constantly looks like he needs a shower.
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Speaker 15: But no, I mean, it was overwhelming the amount of
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Speaker 15: celebrity children we saw at this Paris Fashion Week. And
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Speaker 15: I think we're tired of seeing these, you know, privileged
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Speaker 15: children given opportunities that other people aren't. I think we're
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Speaker 15: ready for some new faces, some new last names.
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Speaker 3: Bring in some new blood. Fair enough.
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Speaker 2: But, you know, we still can't get rid of some
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Speaker 2: of the old names. I'm just hearing that Michael Douglas,
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Speaker 2: there's a name we've had for a long time. He's
43:27
Speaker 2: opened up about the early days of his relationship with
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Speaker 2: Catherine Zeta-Jones in a new memoir called.
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Speaker 3: What else? One hell of a ride. And he admitted he.
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Speaker 2: Was also seeing five other women at the time. But
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Speaker 2: when it became serious, well, she warned him she wasn't
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Speaker 2: interested in dating him unless they were monogamous, which is
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Speaker 2: a pretty big word for a Hollywood celebrity. Kinsey, apparently
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Speaker 2: Catherine was shocked when he told her there were five
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Speaker 2: other women. Tell us more about what do we know
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Speaker 2: about this whole thing?
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Speaker 15: Well, Catherine Zeta-Jones clearly knew her worth. She wasn't interested
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Speaker 15: in joining Michael Douglas' rotating cast of girlfriends. She wanted
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Speaker 15: the starring role, and she got it. I'm impressed he
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Speaker 15: was honest enough to tell her, although I am not
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Speaker 15: sure announcing you've got five other girlfriends is the most
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Speaker 15: romantic way to begin a relationship.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, I suspect that that's not. But I mean,
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Speaker 2: I guess on the other hand, you could say, well,
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Speaker 2: you know, it's good multitasking skills. But of course, he's
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Speaker 2: also said that in all of this, you know, his
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Speaker 2: judgment behind some of this was probably likely affected by
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Speaker 2: substance abuse.
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Speaker 12: That's right.
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Speaker 15: He talks about an incident with sweet Julia Roberts at
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Speaker 15: a party where he gets in her face and tells
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Speaker 15: her where to shove her golden globe. I'm a lady,
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Speaker 15: so I won't repeat his exact phrase. But between this
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Speaker 15: story and his list of scandalous affairs, because he goes
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Speaker 15: into some of the women co-stars he had affairs with,
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Speaker 15: he definitely lived enough life to fill a memoir and.
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Speaker 12: Apparently enough to fill a few police reports as well.
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Speaker 3: Mm, indeed.
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Speaker 2: Hey, you know, it's interesting because you were talking before
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Speaker 2: about getting some new names out there, and one of
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Speaker 2: the new names that we've seen on the scene for
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Speaker 2: the last couple of years, of course, is Sidney Sweeney,
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Speaker 2: but it may not be that new a new name
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Speaker 2: at all because a story from TMZ reports that Sidney
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Speaker 2: Sweeney may actually be distantly related to Marilyn Monroe, the
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Speaker 2: apparently ninth cousins once removed.
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Speaker 3: I don't know. We could be ninth cousins as well.
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Speaker 3: Who knows? But That's kind of remarkable, isn't it?
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Speaker 12: I totally agree with you.
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Speaker 15: I think that Sydney has been quite clever about embracing
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Speaker 15: traditional Hollywood glamour at a time when so many celebrities
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Speaker 15: seem determined to reject it. I love genealogy and Marilyn
45:41
Speaker 15: Monroe was a bit of a misfit. So I think
45:43
Speaker 15: this is exciting to find out a little bit more
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Speaker 15: about Marilyn's roots and to find out that there could
45:48
Speaker 15: be a connection with Sydney Sweeney. I would be so
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Speaker 15: happy to discover that I was related to someone so enchanting.
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Speaker 12: I mean, for either woman.
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Speaker 3: Exactly right. I mean, yeah, absolutely, 100%.
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Speaker 2: And, you know, meanwhile, Sidney Sweeney's Anyone But You co-star,
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Speaker 2: Glenn Powell, has apparently discovered something that still eludes many
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Speaker 2: people in Hollywood. Well, he has admitted that he doesn't
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Speaker 2: like talking about politics.
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Speaker 3: How refreshing.
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Speaker 2: In his new Esquire cover story, the actor says politics
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Speaker 2: divides people. And, again, what a relief. His calling is elsewhere.
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Speaker 2: Should more actors take this approach?
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Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean, Glenn Powell wants to appeal to everybody, Republicans, Democrats, independents.
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Speaker 15: Why alienate half of your potential audience when your job
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Speaker 15: is to sell movie tickets? And here's the beauty of
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Speaker 15: his position. He's not telling anyone what to think. He's
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Speaker 15: simply acknowledging that his talents are better spent elsewhere. I
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Speaker 15: wish more celebrities had that level of self-awareness. Obviously, he's
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Speaker 15: learned a lot from his mentor, Tom Cruise. Glenn Powell,
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Speaker 15: call me.
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Speaker 3: Indeed, indeed.
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Speaker 2: And Kinsey, you know, there is some good news, too,
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Speaker 2: around the place. I kind of had to smile when
46:57
Speaker 2: I read this, that Meghan Markle's website, as ever, apparently
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Speaker 2: it's called. Well, traffic has been declining steadily in September
47:05
Speaker 2: leading up to the Christmas season. The Duchess of Sussex's
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Speaker 2: return to the UK in August appeared to trigger a
47:11
Speaker 2: little boost in traffic, but that spike was short-lived, and
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Speaker 2: the final week of September was one of the page's
47:17
Speaker 2: worst weeks for the year. I can't even believe that
47:21
Speaker 2: they're still trying to even flog this brand, but bland
47:26
Speaker 2: might not have been the wrong slip of the tongue
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Speaker 2: there either.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean, I think Meghan Markle's biggest problem is
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Speaker 15: that curiosity doesn't necessarily translate into customer loyalty. People might
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Speaker 15: visit her website because she's Harry's wife, but that doesn't
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Speaker 15: mean they're going to keep buying her loose fruit spread.
47:43
Speaker 15: There's a difference between launching a brand with enormous publicity
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Speaker 15: and building a business people genuinely want to return to.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely.
47:51
Speaker 2: And hey, sticking with the Royals, a source has told
47:54
Speaker 2: People magazine that Prince Harry and Meghan Markle have no plans, apparently.
47:59
Speaker 2: to apologize to Prince William and Kate Middleton. Well, how charming.
48:03
Speaker 2: The UK's Express reported this week that the Duke and
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Speaker 2: Duchess of Sussex had hoped to apologize over comments made
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Speaker 2: during their 2021 interview with Oprah Winfrey, but a source
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Speaker 2: said the claim is nonsense. So no reconciliation there either, apparently.
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Speaker 12: Thoughts and prayers.
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Speaker 15: I mean, I'll believe Harry and Meghan are genuinely interested
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Speaker 15: in reconciliation when they stop treating the royal family like
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Speaker 15: the opposition.
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Speaker 12: My own sources have been very clear with me.
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Speaker 15: This story about Harry and Meghan preparing to apologize is
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Speaker 15: just absolutely false. In fact, my understanding is that Harry
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Speaker 15: returned to Britain with a chip on his shoulder, still
48:39
Speaker 15: expecting an apology from his.
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Speaker 12: Family rather than preparing to offer one himself.
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Speaker 15: And frankly, that sounds much more consistent with the Harry
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Speaker 15: and Meghan we've been watching for the last six years.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, that sounds about right.
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Speaker 2: So at this stage, then, do you reckon, just quickly,
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Speaker 2: there's any possibility of any proper reconciliation with these guys,
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Speaker 2: or is this just this family just permanently split, reminding
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Speaker 2: all of us that, well, even royals have trouble?
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Speaker 15: I think we're looking at some perpetual dysfunction going forward.
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Speaker 15: I don't think Prince William's going to give Harry the
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Speaker 15: time of day anytime soon.
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Speaker 2: Well, thanks so much for your time, Kinsey. As Tolstoy said,
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Speaker 2: every happy family is happy in the same way. Every
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Speaker 2: unhappiness family is unhappy in its own way. That's it
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Speaker 2: for me tonight. Up next is Late Edition.