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119 Why Bigfoot Researchers Are Fighting Each Other (Conspiracy?) · The Eye of Jupiter Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the I Jupiter Podcast. This is episode
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  Speaker 1: one nineteen with Richard Daniels. Richard Daniels is a researcher
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  Speaker 1: in the sense that he goes out and he speaks
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  Speaker 1: with people who have had experiences with sasquatch and other
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  Speaker 1: cryptos and the psychological I would say problems that come
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  Speaker 1: with that, you know, the ability to want to talk
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  Speaker 1: about it with somebody, but the inability to actually do so.
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  Speaker 1: He also brought up something super important that I never
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  Speaker 1: even considered. You guys are aware of this, but in
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  Speaker 1: this bigfoot community or whatever you want to call it,
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  Speaker 1: or this crypto community, there seems to be like some muckrakers,
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  Speaker 1: some intentional like people in there to kind of obscure
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  Speaker 1: the truth. Could it be like some agent brovocateurs by
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  Speaker 1: the government to make it that way? I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I'll let you guys title that one, but that's something
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  Speaker 1: that I'm going to maul over for quite a bit.
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  Speaker 1: mister Richard Daniels.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, thanks for the opportunity to be on tonight.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Thank you for coming on, and once again,
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  Speaker 1: thank you for accepting my situation, accepting my invitation, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry for the situation in which I stood you up.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go ahead and say it. The fourth wall
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  Speaker 1: is broken. I want people to realize that we all
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  Speaker 1: do mistakes from time to time. Indeed, it happens. Oh man,
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  Speaker 1: So rich introduce yourself, tell the tell the the irebiter
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  Speaker 1: followers and watchers a little bit about yourself. If you're
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  Speaker 1: promoting something, go ahead and do so. And uh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: let's let's get it going. Man.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Well, I've been doing this over twenty five
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  Speaker 2: years now or over twenty years now, excuse me. My
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  Speaker 2: My first encounter happened in January of two thousands, uh
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  Speaker 2: with had it with nothing. It couldn't be anything other
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  Speaker 2: than a bigfoot. And at the time I was so
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  Speaker 2: stunned by it that I wasn't even really sure of
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  Speaker 2: what I was seeing at the you know, at that moment,
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  Speaker 2: you know that it's it's a situation of cognitive dissonance.
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  Speaker 1: And I wasn't you know, it.
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  Speaker 2: Wasn't really looking for anything like that, but if you know,
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  Speaker 2: the situation kind of crept up on me. And it
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  Speaker 2: wasn't until five years later, in about of insomnia that
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  Speaker 2: I actually was flipping through the channels in the middle
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  Speaker 2: of the night one night and got to a show
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  Speaker 2: on bigfoot and said literally the words this will put
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  Speaker 2: me to sleep, okay, And then and then about fifteen
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  Speaker 2: minutes into the show, witness from Washington State got on
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  Speaker 2: there and described his encounter and it matched about ninety
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  Speaker 2: five percent of what I had experienced five years before.
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  Speaker 2: And that's that was my rude introduction into the world
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  Speaker 2: of bigfoot and encryptid research. And I've been doing it
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  Speaker 2: ever since, you know, speaking at conferences, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: I'm playing with the idea of getting a book published.
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  Speaker 2: I've already got a lot of it written, but you know,
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  Speaker 2: finding finding publishers is not the easiest part. So I'm
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  Speaker 2: working on that, trying to find a good place to
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  Speaker 2: be able to get that out there.
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  Speaker 3: As self public You can also always self publish, well,
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  Speaker 3: I am, but I'm looking for the right situation there.
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  Speaker 2: I've talked to a few of these outfits and they're
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  Speaker 2: not really the best to deal with. But the crux
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  Speaker 2: of the book is involving what I got into as
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  Speaker 2: part of this research at twenty sixteen when I started
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  Speaker 2: to notice a few things about similarities between my day
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  Speaker 2: job and my research in Bigfoot. At the time, I
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  Speaker 2: was working behavior management with kids that had severe behavior challenges,
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  Speaker 2: and a lot of these kids had gone through real
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  Speaker 2: traumas in their life and that's why they were in
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  Speaker 2: the situations they were, and that's why they were stuck
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  Speaker 2: with a lot of the difficult behaviors that they had and.
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  Speaker 1: Going through that every day.
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  Speaker 2: I noticed that a lot of the things that these
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  Speaker 2: kids were going through as as a result of them
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  Speaker 2: dealing with their traumatizing situations. I was starting to hear
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  Speaker 2: that from or I noticed that I was hearing that
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  Speaker 2: from bigfoot witnesses. Wow, trauma, you know, the actual trauma
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  Speaker 2: that they were experiencing. Okay, And I looked into it,
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  Speaker 2: and some colleagues of mine knew, you know, they know
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  Speaker 2: what my hobby was and everything, and they said, look,
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  Speaker 2: you should really look into this because nobody does this,
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  Speaker 2: and at the time I couldn't find any information on it,
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  Speaker 2: as you know, trauma effects based on bigfoot encounters. So
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  Speaker 2: they convinced me to go in to do a study
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  Speaker 2: to document all these effects and everything that happens in
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  Speaker 2: the aftermath of these bigfoot encrypted encounters.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It turned into a three year odyssey of interviewing over
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  Speaker 2: four hundred people, most of them most of them two
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  Speaker 2: times at least. And I studied published a study in
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  Speaker 2: twenty nineteen.
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  Speaker 1: I'd imagine like a peer a peer reviewed study.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's not peer review. That's the problem I
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  Speaker 2: can't get. I can't get anybody in the behavior mental
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  Speaker 2: behavioral health field to really do an official review of it.
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  Speaker 2: A few people I've looked over it informally. I did
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  Speaker 2: submit it to a gentleman who I found out later
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  Speaker 2: was retired neuroscience professor. His name is doctor John Behrenschalk,
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  Speaker 2: who had written a brilliant book on the subject, but
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  Speaker 2: it was pure science, and it was over most people's heads.
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  Speaker 1: And luckily I wrote mine.
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  Speaker 2: I wrote from the standpoint of a paraprofessional, which is
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  Speaker 2: what I was working as at the time. And you know,
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  Speaker 2: so not quite a layman, but somebody who's familiar with
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  Speaker 2: everything that goes on in all with things that you
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  Speaker 2: know that occur working day to day with clients in
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  Speaker 2: that field. And I think it's a lot easier to read,
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  Speaker 2: he said. He himself told me that my study is
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  Speaker 2: it took a different focus than his. It was something
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  Speaker 2: that appealed to everybody rather than just appealed to the
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  Speaker 2: science guys that were in there. And yeah, and and
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  Speaker 2: John's a great guy. Doesn't look too far from me.
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  Speaker 2: We've we've talked over these kind of things a few times,
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  Speaker 2: and people really how to look up his work because
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  Speaker 2: he's he's put together some brilliant work and he still
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  Speaker 2: gets out in the field even though he's a little
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  Speaker 2: a little more advanced in age these days. But you know,
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  Speaker 2: he's he's a great, great source of information for anybody
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  Speaker 2: that wants to find out about this type of thing.
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to I think I actually had him on
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  Speaker 1: and I'm not quite sure if I got this. I
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  Speaker 1: want to make sure I do. I remembered the episode.
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  Speaker 1: Oh man, what was it? Ah? Oh oh, it's called
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  Speaker 1: bluff charge or a fluff charge episode. I got. You're
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  Speaker 1: gonna have me looking the whole time while we're talking
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  Speaker 1: to you and continue, is he is he in? Is
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  Speaker 1: he in the East coast somewhere?
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  Speaker 2: No, he's in New Mexico like I am.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, okay, I'm thinking that somebody must be someone completely different. Yea, yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 1: I've been Does the Mogi and Rim go all the
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  Speaker 1: way from Arizona over into New Mexico? Not quite now?
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  Speaker 2: Not quite? That's that's pretty much an Arizona thing. But
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  Speaker 2: we have our owne the own geographical features here, one
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  Speaker 2: of which is the it's called the Bias called Era.
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  Speaker 2: It's an extinct volcano that has formed a big I guess,
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  Speaker 2: you know, a massive crater and there's a national park
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  Speaker 2: in there, and that's actually where I had one of
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  Speaker 2: my encounters. I've had four, for sure, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: maybe a couple other close calls and you know my
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  Speaker 2: old research and yeah, it's you know, New Mexico is
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  Speaker 2: a lot more forested than people believe, and there's a
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  Speaker 2: lot more bigfoot activity than people would want. Would I
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  Speaker 2: would really think about what would exist in New Mexico
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  Speaker 2: as well?
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  Speaker 1: Right, Okay, hold on, I think it's sounded. How do
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  Speaker 1: you spell his last name? John? Yeah, that's him, John
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  Speaker 1: S Baron. Yeah, he's yeah, I've had him on. He
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  Speaker 1: is a psychia psychologist, a psychologist.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, actually he's a neuroscientist.
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  Speaker 1: Really is he a ereather of grasping sasquatch? Yes, okay,
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  Speaker 1: I've spoken with him.
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  Speaker 3: Awesome, that's the book telling me about Yeah, yeah, I
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  Speaker 3: mean so many names, you know, there's that, there's the
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  Speaker 3: name you reached like fifty names or whatever it is
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  Speaker 3: in a tribal whatever does a there's a scientific term
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  Speaker 3: for it, and once you get past that.
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  Speaker 1: It's hard to remember. I was like, it's not ring about.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he's fantastic.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I mean you want to take a deep
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  Speaker 2: dive into the psychological end of a bigfoot encounter, that boy,
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  Speaker 2: he'll map it out for you.
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  Speaker 1: I'm telling you, it's amazing and also, yeah, I was
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  Speaker 1: just looking into it. It's not make sure it's not political,
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  Speaker 1: but I was watching it. Was an Italian scientist who
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  Speaker 1: was okay, now, okay, YouTube, this is what happened. He's
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  Speaker 1: trying to get a peer reviewed paper. He had to
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  Speaker 1: go through like sixteen different or seventeen different times since
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. It finally got published on COVID and
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  Speaker 1: the connection between RNA mRNA vaccines and cancers. And he
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  Speaker 1: was like, you know, and it's trying to get a
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  Speaker 1: peer reviewed paper that is just science, and it was very,
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  Speaker 1: very difficult. So it's very science has become some type
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  Speaker 1: of orthodoxed almost religious institution in some aspects, and its.
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  Speaker 2: Very close to me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's supposed to be science, and you know, like
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  Speaker 1: concepts like follow the science and scientific consensus are for me,
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  Speaker 1: the most bogus terms that mankind is ever created up
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  Speaker 1: there with like yeah, like with John bos shrimp and
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  Speaker 1: military intelligence, you know, those kind of things.
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  Speaker 2: I get it, I get it, you know, I mean anymore,
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  Speaker 2: it's not follow the science, it's follow the funding.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, they go where the.
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  Speaker 2: Dollar is and you know, and you have to understand that.
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  Speaker 2: But when it comes down to it when it comes
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  Speaker 2: to you know, cryptid research like this or basically anything
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  Speaker 2: in the paranormal side, mainstream science is looking They're just
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  Speaker 2: not looking for it, and they don't want to look
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  Speaker 2: into it. You know, the only reason the guys are
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  Speaker 2: doing the Skinwalker Ranch thing is that it is that
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  Speaker 2: it pays. Yes, the reason the only reason that people
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  Speaker 2: are doing these other shows is because it pays, and
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  Speaker 2: otherwise you know that. I mean, they're going to try
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  Speaker 2: and do what, you know, what it can to to
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  Speaker 2: make it a good show, and I think I think
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  Speaker 2: a lot of them do it in earnest. You are
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  Speaker 2: trying to put the best science out there they can.
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  Speaker 1: But when it comes.
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  Speaker 2: Down to it, you know, they want more episodes, so
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  Speaker 2: they're they're going to put stuff out there that, you
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  Speaker 2: know that isn't necessarily the juiciest thing or the most
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  Speaker 2: scientific thing, because let's face it, you know, good science
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  Speaker 2: is often really boring.
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  Speaker 1: It's sensationalism trump the actual scientific a scientific rigor behind it.
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  Speaker 1: But what do you okay, being being a researcher for
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  Speaker 1: the last twenty years, what could you say, I mean
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  Speaker 1: other than a psychological well, I'm sure there's some type
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  Speaker 1: of PTSD involved some type of like, you know, being
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  Speaker 1: on the outside and people not believing you, that kind
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  Speaker 1: of thing. I don't know what that will be called scientifically.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I've actually coined a term for it. I call
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  Speaker 2: it crypted encounter syndrome.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, and I like that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's got a lot of I mean, it's got
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  Speaker 2: all the telltale signs of PTSD or what we call
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  Speaker 2: stress response because a lot of people use PTSD as
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  Speaker 2: kind of like a blank, a blank term, and PTSD
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  Speaker 2: is actually just the severe end of a whole spectrum
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  Speaker 2: of stress response, the responses to stress. And you know
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  Speaker 2: that's I mean when I say that spectrum, I mean
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  Speaker 2: it can. I mean the people that I've interviewed had
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  Speaker 2: these encounters. And one lady was who ran a farm
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  Speaker 2: of her own up in Michigan. She just basically changed
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  Speaker 2: the times that she fed her animals and that was
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  Speaker 2: her big response to it. Meanwhile, there are other people
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  Speaker 2: that go through very familiar scenarios of not wanting to
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  Speaker 2: go back to the location that they were. I've I've
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  Speaker 2: I've talked to hunters that sold their guns and gave
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  Speaker 2: it up. It won't Yeah, it won't go back. So
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  Speaker 2: it's it's that that's the spectrum that we're talking about
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  Speaker 2: the responses that we have. And you know, when it
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  Speaker 2: comes down to it, there's so many variables. What was
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  Speaker 2: your mindset coming in, you know, what is your you know,
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  Speaker 2: what is your level of contact with what you you
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  Speaker 2: know before, what you knew about it or anything. There's
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  Speaker 2: all kinds of things that go into this thing, and
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  Speaker 2: you can imagine, I mean, the difference. But the one
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  Speaker 2: thing I'll tell you is that the big difference between
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  Speaker 2: typical stress response and having a cricket encounter like this
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  Speaker 2: that traumatizes you is that normal people that have a
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  Speaker 2: stress response to the level of PTSD or anything like that,
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  Speaker 2: they generally don't want to talk about the experience that
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  Speaker 2: they had or what they went through to get there.
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  Speaker 2: Because you're talking about people that went through severe abuse,
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  Speaker 2: severe neglect, traumatizing kind of car wrecks or more violence.
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  Speaker 2: They don't want to talk about those things. Because telling
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  Speaker 2: is reliving trauma. Your brain marries trauma with imagery, and
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  Speaker 2: those those images come back to your brain in crystallized form, absolutely,
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  Speaker 2: I mean crystal detail, and you can recall all kinds
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  Speaker 2: of details and the same thing happens to a cryptid
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  Speaker 2: encounter witness. However, the big difference there is is that
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  Speaker 2: most of the people that have an encounter with one
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  Speaker 2: of these things want to talk about it. Of those
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  Speaker 2: people that I interviewed for that study, out of four
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  Speaker 2: hundred and eight people that I interviewed, I kept one
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  Speaker 2: hundred and forty eight cases to use as data because
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  Speaker 2: these are the cases that said absolutely positively, I know
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  Speaker 2: exactly what I saw, big hairy two legs, all that
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  Speaker 2: kind of thing, everything else. All the other ones just
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  Speaker 2: kind of got weeded out because the details were hazy
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  Speaker 2: or their issues going on with the stories that I
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  Speaker 2: didn't feel comfortable with, So I would have let down
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  Speaker 2: to one hundred and forty eight. Now, out of that
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  Speaker 2: one hundred and forty eight, I can tell you definitively.
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  Speaker 2: One of the questions I asked them all was did
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  Speaker 2: you really did you really want to talk to somebody
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  Speaker 2: about it? And every last one of them said they did.
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  Speaker 2: But when it came down to it, one hundred and
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  Speaker 2: twenty eight out of one hundred and forty eight told
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  Speaker 2: me that they they were hesitant to talk to anybody
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  Speaker 2: at the same time that they really wanted to right
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  Speaker 2: and that's that's the trap that these witnesses go into.
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  Speaker 2: And that's why I call it cryptid encounter syndrome because
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if anything else like it in psychology,
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  Speaker 2: where somebody desperately wants to talk about something but they're
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  Speaker 2: terrified to do it because of the stigma and everything
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  Speaker 2: else that can happen to Well.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I was trying to do here, Richard rich
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  Speaker 1: I was trying to make a place man, because I've
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  Speaker 1: had you know, like Poltic iict encounter and the hat
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  Speaker 1: Man you know, which are eight years old. You know,
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  Speaker 1: shoes flying around the room and getting hit what's stuff
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  Speaker 1: is a weird thing to go through. And I've I've
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  Speaker 1: never had a crypto encounter. I've had other things in
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  Speaker 1: the forest that are weird. I can't really explain, but
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  Speaker 1: I can only imagine seeing something right in front of
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  Speaker 1: you that's not supposed to exist, that you've been told
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  Speaker 1: that people are looney about. Oh, you're a looney person
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  Speaker 1: if you believe that, and you've probably heard it somewhere
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  Speaker 1: on the TV friends, high school wherever. And then you're
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  Speaker 1: out there one day after twenty years of hunting, it's
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  Speaker 1: your whole life. And next thing you know, you turn
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  Speaker 1: around and there's one running across the creek bed and
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  Speaker 1: you're like, what the hell is that? That's got to
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  Speaker 1: be terrifying. So what I've been trying to do is
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  Speaker 1: when people see the show. People who watch these shows
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  Speaker 1: are people who also want to talk about it, but
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  Speaker 1: don't know where to go, don't know where to go.
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  Speaker 2: There's really no safe community for them to go to.
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  Speaker 1: What what I also offer is like you know, saying
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  Speaker 1: like where I say, you know, there's no screen, we
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  Speaker 1: can have it. Where's no screen? And I just talked
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  Speaker 1: to you, just see me and you talk and you're
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  Speaker 1: completely anonymous. And there's been people who reach out to
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  Speaker 1: me through emails, SA Yeah, I never want to talk
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  Speaker 1: about it, but you know, this is what happened to me.
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  Speaker 1: I just need someone to talk to And I'm like, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: no problem, and the problem is between you and I.
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  Speaker 1: But that that's that's very true what you're saying.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And then you know, and when you and when
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  Speaker 2: you really think about it, the vast majority of the
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  Speaker 2: phenomenon that we're talking about, all we have to go
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  Speaker 2: on are the people. And you know, when you know,
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  Speaker 2: especially with with bigfoot. People are very quick to assign
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  Speaker 2: supernatural powers to the to these beings, and you know they,
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  Speaker 2: oh they've got esp Oh they can do this, Oh
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  Speaker 2: they can do that. And when reports like that come
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  Speaker 2: to me, I stop looking at the being that the
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  Speaker 2: subject and start looking at the witness and I start
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  Speaker 2: I've learned to start looking at the circumstances, the context
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  Speaker 2: are and which you know, they approach that situation in everything,
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: trying to go in and understand as many of those
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: variables going into it, and then really try to see
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: how the whites has experienced it, because there's a lot
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: of people that I talked to that, you know, in
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: that study that they said, oh it was you know,
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: it was big, and it was hairy, it made a
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: lot of noise, and you know, you know, I just
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: saw the splash of fur and it had to be bigfoot,
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: And you know, that's that's what the mind does. The
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: mind is compelled to conclude. It's help to understand, and
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: that's what people want to do. And so they they
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: they make the connection to something that seems reasonable to
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: them at the time and everything and they're not they're
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: not trying to lie to anybody. They're just trying to
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: make sense of what happened to them. And when it
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: comes down to it, they encountered something, but it's you know,
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: it's a huge leap to go from I encountered something
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: to it was bigfoot. Yeah, you've got to be able
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: to identify it.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: You know, I wouldn't. Testimony is the most unreliable thing
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: we have. The police hardly use it. It could be
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: ten people seeing the same accident right in front of him.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: Did you see what happened? Yes, and it'll be ten
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: different accounts.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, I grew I grew up in a
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: law enforcement family, and I can tell you that, you know,
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: they how many cases, what percentage of cases that law
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: enforcement loses to you know, bad eyewitness testimony? Right, so
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: you really we really have to take a close look
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: at the witnesses and really understand the realm in which
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: they are. There's a lot of people that you know,
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: are in the situation that that I said right there.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: They have jumped to a conclusion and they believe there
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: are some people that they just really want to help,
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: you know, they just really want to help, and so
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: they want to make that connection for you and help
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: you with what you're doing and everything like that, and
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: that's kind of a wishful thinking scenario. I guess. You know,
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: the vast I mean, the vast majority of people are
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: being earnest when they when they speak to you, but
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: they actually encountered what they actually experienced is what you
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: have to get to the bottom up. Very few people, yeah,
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: very few people are just flat out lying. I mean
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: it just you. You don't come across many at all.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: But when it comes down to it, you've really got
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: to get into the experience and how it was experienced.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: By that witness.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: And to do that, you can't do it just sitting
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: there and texting back and forth with them for twenty minutes.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: You've really got to get into it. You've got to
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: talk to them several times. There's a lot of a
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: number of people from that study I still talk to,
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: and I published that study in twenty nineteen. And the
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: idea is, you know, this stuff never stops. You know
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: of that those one hundred and forty eight people, you know,
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: I forget. I had to. I had to take some
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: notes today. A bunch of them, one hundred and three
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: reported a very strong feeling of isolation for at least
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: six months. They believe it was eighty six that felt
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: it for a year or more, and then there are
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: still I think they're like a.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: Detachment, like a detachment from humanity or something.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: They just lost connection with everything else because there's something
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: up there. There's something in them now that's so horrid
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: that nobody else can They can't share with anybody because
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: none of them have experienced it. They're afraid of the
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: reaction that those people are going to have, you know.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: And there's seventeen of them that I've documented that that
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: feeling has never left them. They've lived with that to
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: this day, from the time of their encounter to this day.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: And I'm I don't know. I mean, I like to
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: you talk to you about it, but I've found that like,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: for example, I've had someone come on who talked me
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: about their counter and told me that they can't work
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: what they worked anymore because of his He was working
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: at a sawmill whatever, selling things, you know, and it
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: was auctioned and he was out there a couple of
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: days and he's seen big But these showed me pictures
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: and I mean very compelling, and after talking and many
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: other I was one of them. We we at the
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: time where one of a few podcasts he talked to
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: the beginning and then he started, you know, he would
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: call me, you know hey, you know, he started be
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: becoming compelled about understanding what it helped, what he saw
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: and what happened. Now he is the North American North
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: American dog Man Project state representative for Tennessee. His name
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: was Harley Owens. And but when he first started Man,
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: he couldn't go back in the woods anymore. Yeah. Yeah,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: he tried to. And some people for you know, through
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: you know, sheer will or whatever it may be, are
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: able to come forth speak about it, not care and
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: sometimes still received condemnation. He was on a big show
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: and he got a lot of flak. You're not seeing
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: everything you say you're seeing right, and still pulling through
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: and uh, and some of them still can't go in
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: the woods. But I do, I do think that it
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: helps if they talk about it to somebody.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: Oh it does, it absolutely does. The one gentleman, one
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: gentleman in that study that I have, and I included
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: him in the book I was writing, is a fellow
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: who went to go hunt on a friend's property and
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: got up in the tree stand. You know, you know,
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: pre dawn was up there for about two hours, and
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: then he started to hear noises coming from behind the
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: tree he was up, and after about twenty minutes he
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: finally finally saw this dough run by him and stopped
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: about all one hundred feet or so to his you know,
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: to to his you know, left, and he was breathing
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: hard obviously had been running hard. And then he heard
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: more noise behind him, you know, some crashing and everything
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: like that, and it sounded like it got really close.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: And at that point he just kind of stood up
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: in the tree stand and peeked around the tree and
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: there was there's there's a big foot from about the
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: mid thorax up that you know, big wide shoulders. Obviously
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: what it was, you know, he just appeared over a
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: you know, a group of bushes, and he said he
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: looked at it for about four or five seconds and
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: he was able to describe to me such detail of
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: that here, that that being space, that expression what he
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: got from it in just four or five seconds. And
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: he just turned back around, slumped back in the seat,
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: and clutched his rifle to his chest. And after about
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: ten minutes or so, the thing left and he went
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: back where it came from, and he said he could
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: not move for at least another half an hour, and
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: he made it. Finally got out of the seat and
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: got down to the bottom of the ladder, and from
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: the moment his foot hit the ground, he was at
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: a full gallop back to his truck, got in that
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: truck and drove off. He never went back to that
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: friend's property. And that's the thing. His friend's property was
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: on his regular route to go to work. Every day
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: he deviated that route, which added twenty minutes already to
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: a twenty five minute commute both to work at home.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: He never went back to that property. He still hadn't.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: And what the thing was is he sat on that
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: story for thirty six years and never told a soul.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: And he found me on one of the Facebook group
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: talking to people about the traumatic effects and everything, and
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: he messaged me, he says, you're nobody from nowhere as
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: far as I'm concerned, I think I can talk to
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: you about this. And that's the kind of trauma that
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: these folks go through. He to this day, he still
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: hasn't gone back to that property, and his friend always
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: has to come to see him or something like that
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: he's just too wound up about step stepped setting foot
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: back on there, and he hasn't driven down that road again.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: I remember this story man as another gentleman. I think
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: he was name right now, but he was telling the story.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: We went hunting on his grandfather's property and it was
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: behind It was in the third hollow back and he
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: was up a tree and it was then the trees.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: It was on a creek edge, so it was like
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: angled down once you got out of the tree, angled down.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Had He had a rag hanging up with the dough
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: scent on it, hung it up there, went up a tree,
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: dose came and then all of a sudden this thing
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: come running through the bushes. Doves scattered. He seen the
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: damn thing. He couldn't he was just frozen in the tree,
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: picked up the rag, smelled, it looked right at him
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: and freaking screamed at him. He said, you could hear
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: it echoing down the holler. He said, it finally looked
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: at him, kind of walked away slowly right, and then
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: he said he thought it like an hour. Darryl Denton
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: is his name, Darryl Denton. Story too, Yes, jumped out
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: of the tree. You just jumped out of the tree
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: stand and you just beat feet all the way back
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: the house, tripping over the bar by our fence, slammed
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: the door his grandfather's. And there's wrong with you. You've
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: got to seen a monster. What you see? He told
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: him what he saw. Oh yeah, that's a wood bogger. Yeah,
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: it's like yeah, And he was just so nonchalant about it.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: I've seen him many times.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all the regional names for him, everything like that.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: I don't think a lot of people have made those
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: connections until Look, maybe the last ten years or so.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Yes, but they've really started to put it.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: All together, you know, Momo and Missouri and smamp apes
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: and you know, all the gates all this stuff, you know,
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: and and and you know, finally we're starting to get
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: more and more of a collective mind on these you know,
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: on this phenomenon. We're trying to you know, trying to
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: map it out the best we can.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of infighting, though, there's a lot
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: of really billy infighting, like everyone has the answer, But
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: I think that's human nature. Well it is, it is
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: to an extent.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: You know, the my research has gone from the emotional
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: and psychological effects that people have. For the counters I've
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: gone to, I've done a deep dive into, you know,
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: the origin of these creatures. What I you know, what
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: I think they are? You know exactly because because after
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: after they you know, somebody, you talk to somebody, and
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: after they ask you, you know, if you've seen it
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: or anything like that, they the next inevitable question is
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: what are they. I've gotten into that pretty heavily. Now
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: I've started to get into the nature of the bigfoot
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: research community, and I can tell you right now there
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: are agents of mis misinformation all over the Bigfoot community
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: and they are for whatever reason, they are out there
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: and they're just stirring up the pot and trying to
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: keep everything jumbled instead of being able to really focus
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: on one track and where it's going.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Are you telling me to some type of can conspiracy within?
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: You know, I can't, I can't tell them. Yeah, I
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: have no idea exactly what it is. But I can
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: tell you there are people out there that do nothing
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: but stir upon and that's all they do, and it
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: makes it difficult.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: It makes it like an agent provocateur. Yeah, paid paid well.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, one of the things one of
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: the things that I'll draw I'll draw similarity to is
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: in the UFO phenomenon with Richard Dodie. I think that's
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: the name a lot of people know, and he was
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: he was a He was an Air Force intelligence officer
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: that deliberately fed misinformation to UFO researchers and into the
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: UFO research community for many years, many years. And that
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: was a calculated thing, you know, by by you know,
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: military intelligence to be able to do that because for
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: whatever reason and whatever motivation, that's what they needed done.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: And I'm not saying it's that level of things, but
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: there sure are a lot of people that talk a
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: lot of nonsense and keep talking it all the time
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: in this community.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: And there's also people who intentionally create AI videos and
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: then claim it to be real. So, dude, that's how
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: did you put those together? Because I am a person
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: who comes from the conspiracy world. Man, that's my my,
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: my baby, my bread and butter. That you know, we're batting,
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: you know, five hundred, which keeps us into majors twice
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: when it comes to a ton of stuff. You know,
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: there's a certain island, there's the age of provocateur thing,
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: which you know, there's you know, the Moloch the owl
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: and you know all that stuff with Bohemian groove and
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: nine to eleven and you know everything everything, right, I
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: can't believe that I did not put those two together.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: That it's intention, that's intention.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: The thing that got me noticing that was the polarization
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: there is in you know, the two sides that you
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: have in the research community, right and researcher. To me,
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: researchers should be following science, and if you're not following science,
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: then what are you doing? But there are a lot
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: of people who, uh, you know, I got the best
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: way I can do, the best way I can say
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: for them is that they believe these these beings are
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: out there, but they don't really do anything to substantiate
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: any research or any greater understanding. You know, My response
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: to them is usually wow, you know, I'm really impressed
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: with your commitment to your current level of understanding and
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: the end that sounds like a compliment, but it's just saying,
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: you know, you're not doing anything. You're sitting, you're not
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: helping anybody, or you're not moving forward. And you know,
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: I really want, you know, to have people that around,
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: you know, people that I keep in touch with number
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: one that do hard science and number two that their
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: opinions change based on data. Okay, and there's not enough
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: people out there producing data. If you look at the
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: bigfoot community now, people are still doing the same thing
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: you know, Roger Patterson was doing sixty years ago. There,
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: let's walk out in the woods and look for them, okay,
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: and whatever.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: Tracking they can do or anything like that.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: It is amazing to me that people are just doing
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: the same thing because what has that approach produced for us?
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: You know, very limited returns, footprints dubious you know, hair
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: samples and things like that that are always contested. Although
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: that's starting to be a little bit different, you know,
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: a little you know, a little bit of different thing
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: going on there right now. But for all the effort
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: that people are making in that in that direction, it
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: just hasn't produced enough for us. And we have to
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: we've got to innovate and we've got to do better.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: And I tell people, look, you need to specialize. Pick
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: something that absolutely intrigues you about this this phenomenon and
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: study it. There's one fellow I talk to, he's in Mississippi.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: He's really obsessed with the idea of identifying language, their
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: communication process. And he goes out there and he and
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: he told me, he said, it's it's so much better
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: because I only have to get close, he says, I
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: don't have to see him, I don't have to be
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: on top of him. I just need to listen and
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: document what I hear and what all this could be
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: fine trending find things like that, And that's exactly what specialization.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: Does, right and so deceived. There's any type of overlaps,
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: any type of like something you can pick up to
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: make it sure that datterns. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: mean I speak to a lot of Native Americans who
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: I'm talking real last last of the kind tribes, people
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: who've done like a walk about for lack of a
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: better term, where they're out in the woods for a year,
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: and they're like, yeah, there's different kinds and they do
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: different things. And that's see I'm saying, I don't the
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: scientific and I'm not trying to push back an instro.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: I'm just trying to just trying to spin your wheels.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: Why not to see what it is. I think there's
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: many approaches to many things like how do you how
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: do you approach the concept of God. You know, you know,
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: I don't you know, I'm not I'm not a religious person,
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: but I'm a person who believes in God. How do
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: we because of my personal experiences? But how do you
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: document that? And that's been a question for since you know,
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: time time, time and Milniuay call it, you know, so
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: how do you do that? And this is the phenomenon
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: is sometimes where you know, we talk to people and
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: they say, well, as soon as you start recording, you
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: can't get anything, or the fuzziness of it, or or
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: they say if the more you put unless you find
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: I found it best to just sit there. And then
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: they come into purview and it's like a trusting you know,
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: and it's like, how do you how do you document that?
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: It's it's a right to do.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: We'll see those those type of things, those type of
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: approaches generate more questions, they generate they generate data in
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: observational you know, science that you're doing, and then that
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: data pushes more questions.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: You know, when it comes to.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: You know the fact of you know, electronics fail around
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: these creatures, and it's it's a I mean, it's a
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: known fact that these the electronics, you know, sometimes fail.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: Everybody says, well, that happens it, but nobody asks why
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: why do the electronics fail? What goes on with this?
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: You know, also happens with paranormal things where you know,
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: like electronic things happen. It's it's it's.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: It's a weird well, you know what I mean. But
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: I asked that question. I asked that question. And you know,
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: in the research that I've done on it, there's one
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: factor that can absolutely make electronics fail that these beings
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: are capable of, and that's infra sound. Yeah, ultra low
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: frequency sound at high decibel levels. We can't hear it,
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: but it's just like a rock concert coming at you
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: and hitting you. That can have a great effect on
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: you know, on electronics. And you know, there it's a
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: very strong theory. I think that these beings are capable
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: of using infra sound. There's a couple of people that
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: I'm that I keep in touch with and talk with
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: that have definitely suffered effects of exposure to infrasound. Yes,
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: and how they've been and how they've been able to
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: do it. One lady, you know again, she caught me
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: in an online chat with some folks and she said, well, yeah,
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: you know, I think I got them around and you know,
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: and she she said, I'm I'm having some you know,
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: some troubles with headaches and stuff. And then I started
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: asking her questions based on pointed at symptoms of exposure
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: to infrasound, and all of a sudden, she went silent
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: in the group, and I got this individual direct message
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: from her, and she said, how did you know that?
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: I've never told anybody about that, And that tells me
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: she was definitely getting bombarded with infrasound. You know, she
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: believes she has a family group that's right there on
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: her property. And you know, I've tried to help her,
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: you know, be able to coexist. I said, because you're
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: not getting rid of them, you know, I said, if
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: anything else, they're going to drive you out. But what
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: you you know, if if this is your home and
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: this is where you want to stay, you're going to
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: have to find a way to coexist.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: That approach, there's the approach of coexistence. But I've also
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: heard people who use, oh I can never damn remember
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: it the what's it called? And so it's a religious
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: thing they do when they go to the four Cardinal
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: Points and in the name of christ da da da
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: da da. I can't think of it right now. Repudiate
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: whatever the word is exactly. I don't know the name
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: of it. But that has worked too for people.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a matter of how you approach it and
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: what you do. You know, there's there's no there's no
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: pat way to do it. Basically, what I was trying
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: to do is, you know, my training as a behaviorist,
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: I was basically reverse engineering that, you know, those beings
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: behaviors and figuring out what their motivation might be for
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: doing what they're doing, and then doing something that would
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: alleviate that, that would mitigate what they're doing, that would
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: maybe give them a motivation to stop. And in some
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: cases it's worked, and in some cases, you know, it's
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: had no effect.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: But I think when people say they can feel it
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: coming from a certain direction, they can get behind like
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: a large rock or something, and it's kind of it
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: gets a little better or I think out I don't
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: know if it's true or not, because this is what
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: people telling me. I've had a person come on and
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: tell me about.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: Think about audit the sound that you can hear and
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: if if it's coming at you from a certain direction
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: and you walk in front of an object to get
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: between you and that source of the sound.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: You can still hear.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: It, but it's not as melting you like it used.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: And especially especially pressure is no different. It's still it's
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: still reaching you, but not at the intensity it was.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: So you know that that that that follows, you know.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: But what we need to do is that when these
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: questions come up, we need the first question we need
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: to ask is why why is this?
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: And people say, you know, I I you know, I
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: have a lot of connection with the Navajo nation here
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: in New Mexico, and there's activity that they can tell you.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: And they're telling me, you know, And and they were
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: telling me about all these things that are going on
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: and all this stuff, and I really try to stay
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: respectful of their beliefs and everything like that. And one
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: of the things they told me is that, oh, they
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: can hypnotize you. They can, they could. They're hypnotic. They
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: can put a spell on you. And I went, okay,
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: how does that happen? Well, it turns out that hypnosis
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: is merely an exercise of activating theta brainwaves. Okay, okay,
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: data brainwaves bring on a hypnotic the hypnotic state. Well,
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: infrasound between four and seven hurts activates theta brain waves
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: in somebody's brain. So while they're while there, you know,
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: while it sounds like a wild, spooky thing that they're
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: talking about, there's some science there that makes sense, right,
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: And but not enough people see so many people will
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: listen to them and go okay, yeah, okay, you know,
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: you know, ancient beliefs, all this kind of stuff and
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: brush it off. We have to take something like that,
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: especially from a culture that's had the most contact with
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: them that we could ever you know, dream of on
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: this continent, and we have to ask, okay, why there
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: has to be a reason how this works. And once
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: you look into it, then you start to see these
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: connections and the blurred lines start to get more defined
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: as to how these things are working. And I think,
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: you know, we need to be doing a lot more
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: of this, examining what we have, rather than continually walking
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: out in the woods and beating our heads against trees,
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: which I've literally seen a guy do on of an excursion,
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: but and and going out and we need to do
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: something different.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: No, literally, this guy came into camp.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna do like a five day thing out
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: in the woods in Colorado, and this guy came into
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: camp just talking all kinds of trash. He knew all this,
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: he was the expert and all this kind of stuff.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: And the idea was, we're going to walk down, you know,
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: the floor of a valley and some of you know,
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: most of us were going to walk down the middle
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: of a couple of other guys are going to be
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: up to our left kind of in a flanking position,
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: moving it the same way and moving through a forest.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: And apparently this guy forgot the other two guys you're
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: going to be out there. And we got about fifteen
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: minutes out and we heard a twig snap over there
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: because one of those guys stepped on a stick or
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: tripped on something and everything. And as soon as this
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: guy heard that, he was right by me. I was
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: second to last in the line, and he went by
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: me like a blur and made it about twenty five
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: yards and ran straight into a tree. And so guess
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: what expedition over?
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: We pick him up.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: We got to carry him back and get him taken
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: care of it. But that's literally a guy beating his
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: head against a tree.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: But yeah, you know they are.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: I know, you don't know much about me, but I'm
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: down here and you could have aeninsula of Mexico. So
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: I got pyramids around me, and I have the noses,
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: you know, noses, the knowledge the Mayan people, the Mayan
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: are still here, a large percentage of the population, I
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: would say in the twenties. I look that up real quick.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: But there's a certain percentage of the population down here
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: who only speak Mayan. And that's the next language I'm
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: gonna len. I'm that's number that will be number four,
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: But that's one I want to learn because it's cool.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: And their knowledge of the forest and which plant medicine
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: still dude, they even my coirfriends. Oh yeah, you got
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: a headache, you just go ahead and take that. Or
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: you got a rash, ahead, you put this in some water,
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: and dude, it works too. It's a wild and their
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: folklore and their things. It's not so much they have that.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: They have other things. They have like a skin walker
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: down here of sorts, some different names called a nakua.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: And they also have like, uh, these things called a
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: lusha's which are kind of like a cherrup, like a
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: Buddha bellied, small like naked kid that like is mischievous,
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: and I think I've run into some of those, and
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: I want to actually go into these small villages and
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: talk to them and see what just because if not,
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: it's going to be lost and in the next i
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: would say, fifty years, they're trying to make sure the
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: language stays. But I want to get out there and
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: really get into it. So it's uh, I think it's
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: very interesting that you would do that and you have
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: connections with the Navo. That's that's pretty cool, man, very cool.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: It's you know, they're they're more of a transition area
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: because you know what we're pretty sure what happens is
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: in the summers, these beings are up in southern Colorado,
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: you know, and that's where they are for in the
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: warm months, and then as they get into the fall,
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: they kind of migrate down across the Four Corners area,
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: you know, where New Mexico and Utah and Arizona and
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: Colorado come together, and they go down into as far
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: as central Arizona, you know where the Mogolian rim is
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: and everything like that. You know, you're talking about those
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: kind of encounters.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I quite a bit of people that I know
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: that go up I've met I know at least five,
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: two separate groups. One is alone, another one's four people.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: They've gone there for twenty years. Yeah, and they they
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: they they're like, yeah, the more you try to be
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: scientific about it, the less they show up. So there's
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: we have to maybe have to have some type of
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: other approach. I mean, because science. Science is all about,
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: you know, empirical data and being able to recheck and
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: to be able to recreate the same conditions and see
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: if the results come out the same. That way we
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: can compare and say, yes, what you were saying is true.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: But how do you do that with something that is
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: so you know, I mean like people, more people have
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: paranormal experiences than they have say a Cryptoi encounter. You know,
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: it's it's hard to quantify.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, other other paranormal experiences are more socially accepted. Sure,
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: then you'll see for crypted encounters, especially Bigfoot. And that
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: was another thing that brought my at to possible agents
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: of misinformation. Why are UFOs so accepted, Why are the
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: thought of aliens on Earth so much more accepted? Why
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: are ghost stories more accepted? And all these other things?
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: But all of a sudden, you get to Bigfoot and no, no, no, no,
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: you can't talk about it. Nobody wants to hear about it.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: So what's the difference, what's the big thing there? So
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: there's obviously something about this phenomenon that needs to be
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: quiet And the one thing you can definitely definitely identify
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: an effort to miscredit and then you and to keep
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: things muddled, is that if people if people's opinions need
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: to be quieted in order to preserve the status quo.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: And how often do you see that in you know,
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: the Bigfoot community where everybody's told, oh, no, that's crazy,
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: you can't do that, and they're just shouted down over
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: and over again, instead of somebody saying, okay, that's you
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: know that, that's your experience. Let's get into it. Why
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: did this happen? What's going on here? How does how
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: would this work? And so if somebody's opinion needs to
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: be shouted down and silenced, yeah, there's a coordinated effort
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: going on. You can talk to any psyops professional out there.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: I happen to work with a gentleman who's former you know,
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: his former military intelligence and you know, I don't ask
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: him specifics, but I asked him about technique, and.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: I might know who you're talking about. No, you know,
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: I work.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: I work in the education field, So he's just one colleagues.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: There's a guy who works on a thing called the
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: Metal Project. His name is Trey Hudson and he is
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: a former. He is a former freaking and he to
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: his area.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: Tell him to take a look at the Bigfoot research
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: community and tell you that there isn't there isn't something
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: going on.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: There is absolute but if you think about it. I
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: remember we're talking about science and how things come back
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: to follow the money. Now, for example, if this is
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: they don't want it to be accepted. The government knows
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: it's real, especially on these huge bases if Fort Hood, Carson, uh,
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: the Watchhoka, they're just genormous areas. I'll watch you guys
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: at that because I'm a former US Army, so I
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: knows they know they exist. And if they if they okay,
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: if they then accept that they exist, and they are
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: then the first First Nations people, then they will be protected.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: Right if it's generally accepted. And if they're protected, what
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: happens to the farmers, the loggers, the National park system,
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: everything that makes money? What happens to that, it goes away.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: I think you're thinking too small. Okay, then tell me
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: how I should then give me, give me a cool
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: way to think, big man, I'm looking for it.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: The first question anybody wants answered is do they exist?
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: Once that question is answered, what's the next question, what
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: are they?
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: Okay, when you have to say that again, it actually froze, froze.
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: Now the first question, right, Okay, The first question anybody
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: wants answered is what do they exist? Once that question
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: is definitively answered, what's the next question, what are they? Yes,
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: it's the answer to that question that I think is
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: the key that we need to really consider. Because this
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: is now. Then, now, this is the research that I've
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: gotten into. Okay, you're talking about Footprint evidence is something
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: that we do have, and they have been authenticated by
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: multiple anthropologists across you know, I can name eight or
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: nine different anthropologists that have authenticated footprints that these things
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: are out there. Okay, So the footprint, the footprint tells
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: us they've got a foot adapted to upright walking, absolutely
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: positively adapted to upright walking.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: The metatarsal break or whatever, right and all that, whether
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: the mid tarsal break exists. It makes sense.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: But you know, we can't say for certain, but the
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: foot is designed for upright walking, okay, But the foot
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: alone can't be what makes them walk upright because in
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: order to have a foot that is adapted for upright walking,
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: you needed adaptations to the ankle and to the knee
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: and to the hip, to the lower back into the neck.
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: Other than that, you know, you have to have all that.
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: So that collection of adaptations that you have has only
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: occurred twenty one times that we know of in the
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: fossil record or in all the biological record. Those twenty
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: one species happen to be the human family of evolution,
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: the homogeneous. So you've got something out there with these adaptations. Obviously,
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: these adaptations they have to exist because of the footprint
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: that we know of the structure of the foot. Well,
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: it's there's.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: Been it's accepted that there's been other other members of
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: the human genius that no longer exist in like homoflorients
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: than the Sovans and many many others. And we're just like, hey,
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: they just they're now you know, deceased or dead, they
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: don't exist no more. So maybe there but the weirdness
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: of it is their stealthiness during completely others tell me
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: about when you after you tell me the reason I
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: would love to tell you if you could tell me
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: about one of your experiences.
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: Sure, sure. But the other point of that that I'll
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: bring here, and I don't think I don't know anybody
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: else who even talks about this, is that what happens?
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, because you know, our feet are adapted up right, walking,
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: we have all those same adaptations. But what do people,
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: human beings that look that get really big look like. Well,
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: when you talk about gigantism, talking about acromegaly, those type
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: of things, those are really serious. I took a look
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: into that one time, simply because I saw a photograph.
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: I saw a photograph of two feet next to each other.
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: They were both the right foot. One was just like
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: a regular female's foot, the other was a really big
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: female's foot. They were actually twins. One had gotten acromegaly,
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: had developed acromegally from a tumor on her pituitary gland,
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: and the other had not. And I looked at that
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: foot and I went, that looks just like a foot
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: that would make these footprints we're finding in the woods.
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: So I started looking into this, this these conditions, and
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: it turns out there's fourteen fourteen.
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: Physical traits.
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: That are actually shared between people that are suffering through
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: acromegaly and that are commonly reported in big foot sightings.
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: Fourteen that are physical traits that are actually shared and
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: consistently got things like let me say, you know, I
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: always have to have a list here, but when you
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: have a pronounced brow, you have a pronounced jawline.
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: Like Andrea Giant for people who are looking like Andrea giants.
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: Prounce cheekbones. You know, basically all these physical features are
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: really big elongated limbs, oversized hands and feet that you're
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: looking at, I mean right down to you know, thickening
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: of fingers I've got. You know, I'm not a small guy.
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: I've got fingers like snecker cars. But you see some
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: of these casts that you've got around there, you know,
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: some of these fingers, and these fingers are double white
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: as mine. It's incredible to see. But a thickening of
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: the facial features like lips and nose. You're also looking
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: at a deepening of the voice because the vocal cords
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: get so thick. You know, what does I mean that
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: rings a bell a different vocal capability. Okay, you're also
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: looking at, you know, a conical skull, you know, a
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: forehead that recedes and comes back into a conical and
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: in extreme cases racromegaly.
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: That happens, right, So you're not trying to say that
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: that these people are suffered. There's people in the woods
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: suffering this and it just kind of ran away from society.
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: You're saying, it's just an interesting correlation.
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: What I'm saying is this is what happens when human
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: beings get really big. You know, most of our most
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: of the human race, fits between five feet and seven
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: feet tall. That's why er of them. Now, if you
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: go to four and a half feet and seven and
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: a half feet, that's almost everybody. But we're talking about
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: people that are beyond this size, and we're talking about
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: people that are beyond seven and a half up to
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: eight feet tall, and what happens to them. All their
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: physical features change, Their feet change, and if you look
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: at their feet, you say, wow, that could make a
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: really big footprint in the woods. But our feet are
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: different in a way. But especially when you look at
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: the thickness of the heel. When the human body gets
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: really big, the heel widens out to give you a
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: much more broad base to walk on. Because when you
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: think about it, fifty percent of the time when we're walking,
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: you know, your right foot is supporting all of your
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: weight and the other five percent that's your left foot.
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: And that's what we're designed to do. And that's what
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: upright walking is all about. Now, if you ever notice,
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: you've seen these track for for uh for bigfoot tracks
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: and things like that that have been out there, you
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: ever notice that they don't walk out wide, Their feet
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: aren't out wide like that.
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: Okay, when you're talking about a five hundred and six
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: hundred pounds beating that's walking. You've got to have that
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: foot underneath that weight. You got to have it more
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: center to walk.
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: If you're out here and you've got five hundred pounds
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: and with pulling you the other way, you're not going
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: to be able to walk very orgonomically. And if you
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: ever notice the descriptions of the people that have seen
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: them move, everybody says they don't bob up and down,
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: they just go wide. Yeah, because their feet aren't on
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: different planes. Their feet are close to a different plane,
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: are close to a similar, you know, very similar plane,
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: and that's the gliding action that you have when.
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: Their feet come in right, yes, exactly, yeah. And there's
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: and the you know these a lot of the things
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: add up.
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: So what I'm saying is what I'm what I'm saying
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: is you're looking at the twenty seconds being of the homogeneous.
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: You're looking at another species of human being. And that's
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: what is If you think about the implications of that,
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: what percentage of our society is prepared to welcome any
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: other type of human being into it?
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: Zero?
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: Not even that, Every every society, every institution, everything you
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: can think of, is based on one type of human
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: If you introduce another human into it, what what is
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: that going to do?
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: Legally?
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: What is it going to do? Socially?
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: What is it?
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: What is it going to with? The implications are to
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: me are massive. They're absolutely massive, and you could map
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: out anything you want to you when it comes down
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: to it, but it's bigger than just the logging industry.
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: It's bigger than.
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: Farmers, it's bigger than all of it's bigger than national parks,
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: it's bigger than all of that. And if you look
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: at you look at us as Americans. As our record
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: with just different ethnicities within our own species, we haven't
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: done very well. So what are we going to do
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: with What are we going to do when we have
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: a totally different species of human in front of us?
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: That's what I think, That's where I'm led to believe
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: that all this misinformation is meant to mask. Okay, when
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: there's a lot when when there's a lot of truth,
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: you know, there's a there's a little truth that's thrown
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: in there with a lot of the bs that you see,
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: they're using a little bit of truth to lead people
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: in other directions.
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: What about that? What about the trackways in the snow
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: that just they just lead the nowhere, that kind of
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: like the kind of just are out of nowhere and
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: they go lead to nowhere and it just it just stops.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's ask let's ask why. I don't know, because
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: no one's really looked into it. They've taken it at
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: face value and not going into it. Another reason to
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: ask why whenever these conundrums come up, Whenever these tough
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: questions come up. Instead of saying well, I don't know
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: and moving on, we need to say why and look
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: into it.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: How does this work. What is this happening?
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: You know? And over and over again I see people
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: they say, oh, well, I'm not a scientist. Well guess
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: what you're trying to do. Science. You're out here trying
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: to do this research, So get into it. Do the science.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: We have enough data that are enough, you know, enough
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: of these reports that we can actually data mind and going,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: because if you compare a report from nineteen ten to
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: a report from twenty ten, there are alarming similarities in
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: each one that you can point out. Then there's no
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: way on earth that there they could actually be related.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: And why is that? Because there's something consistently out there
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: that people are encountering. But we've got to figure out
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: more about it before anything can be done. Mainstream science
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: isn't looking They're not going to It has to be us,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: and we have to do a better job of what
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: we're doing other than just walking around walking around the
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: woods slapping trees with with with branches.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a there's I think science is a very good,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: very large weapon, having a tool belt. But I think
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: there's other things men that are involved that we There's
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: the things you simply will never understand, you know.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, but all those things are based in
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: the physical world. And if we don't doubt them, if
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: we don't dismiss them right off, and we start to
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: examine them, we can figure it out. You know, the
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: the the the the the phenomenon of mind speak. That's
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: something that a lot of people talk about within the
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: bigfoot world.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: Well, what I.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: Like a lot of people pass over is when they're
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: experiencing this mind speak. A lot of people that I've
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: talked to have heard a low muttering kind of like
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: a mumbling kind of thing. Well, is that necessarily are
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: they necessarily connected? But when you think about it, when
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: you again infrasound is a key here is that low
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: mumbling being done at you know, at infrasonic levels. That
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: can put it out there and maybe they are hitting
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: you in a certain way, maybe they are wrapping into
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: your skull in a certain way. But everybody's everybody's head
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: is going to be different. Some people are going to
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: be really affected by it. Some people won't feel it
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: at all. The resonance that you have in your you know,
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: in your your body density, your bone density.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: They're maybe vibrating the bones in your ear or something
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: like that.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: Skull itself even your skull itself, you know. I mean
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: that's how that's how some animals pick up these you know,
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: the the infrasonic signals like whales. Whales pick up signals
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: in the ocean through the bones in their bones in
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: their skull. Again, we don't know enough yet to be certain,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: but certainly there's enough there to to to spur somebody
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: to answer to to go after the answers to these questions.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: Too many people are attacking the phenomena as a whole,
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: and it's there's just too much for anybody to be
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: able to do that. That's why I tell people specialize
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: on something, get out there and become the expert on that,
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: because you're going to be that perfect, that perfect piece
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: of the puzzle that gets fit in there somewhere, and
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: you've got to be able to do that. My specialty
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: has been, uh has been witness examination. Has been able
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: to go through and be able to to to weed
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: through all that kind of thing. And I you know,
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: I offer that help to any researcher that I can
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: talk to anybody that wants to know about it and
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: wants to learn how to you know, how to better
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: vent their witnesses and better deal with it. They really
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm more than happy to help them do
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: that because I've found a really effective way. I've interviewed
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: close to nine hundred witnesses in my time, and you know,
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: the ability to be able to weed through what you know,
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: what we can definitely pull out of somebody's story is good.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: You know, a lot some people you may only be
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: able to take about ten or fifteen percent of what
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: they say. For certain other people, you know eighty ninety
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: percent because you know you can you can identify where
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: they where they trip up, and where they don't, different
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: things like that. So there's there's real techniques. They involve
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: interviewing techniques. They involve interrogation techniques that can be used
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: and you can get in there and you can really
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: qualify these witnesses much better. And the better you qualify
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: the witness, the better data that you're going to get.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: Fair enough, man, shit, I like it all right. So
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: before I get you about it, you know, I got
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: to hear at least one of your encounters, the one
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: that just I don't know, the one that sent you
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: over the edge to get you. I don't know how
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: you decided to say I'm going to start interviewing people,
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: But what was the one where you were like, there
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: it is, what the hell is that? And I have
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: to look or whatever. The one is the one that
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: will make people really that will remember you, because they're
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: going to remember you by your encounter as well. Do
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: you understand what I mean. They're gonna go, oh, yeah,
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: it was that guy. Oh it's rich Day Andiels, and
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: then they'll remember your research as well. So that's how people.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well, see one I'll tell you about. I'd like,
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: as I mentioned before, I think I've had four encounters,
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: and the one I'll tell you about is number three
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: that occurred here in New Mexico. We're at the location
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: that I mentioned earlier. It started out, you know, I'm
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: just doing my regular research and I saw an article
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: in the paper here in Albuquerque and saw that there
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: was a sudden spike of missing dogs and cats that
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: were in a town north of here and near this park.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: And they said it was unusual and that there must
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: be a predator involved, and you know, nobody's seen it
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: and things like that, and they said it was unusual
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: because bears usually don't take domestic animals, big cats do.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: But big cats leave all kinds of signs that they're
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: around and everything. So it was kind of a mystery,
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: and that just kind of clicked in my head, you know.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: You know, domestic animals are pretty easy prey for a bigfoot,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: you know, when it comes down to it. And so
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: I started going up to that area and covering a
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: lot of ground between that town and where this park is,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: and over a period of a couple of years, I
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: was able to try and you know, put together enough
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: to make me believe that they very well could have
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: been coming out of this park, this National park which
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: closed down. It closes down at night, you know, dusk,
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: and they could have very well be come out of
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: this park and foraging, you know, around this town.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: And so I started doing some surveying of the you know,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: of the park in that area, and I'd identified a
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: place where and I still haven't found out what you
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: would call this geographic.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: Feature feature, okay.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: And basically it's a it's a big it's it's like
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: a tiny little valley, but it's not I wouldn't qualify
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: it as a valley. It's it's a depression down into
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: the ground, goes about twenty or thirty feet down into
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: the ground. It's about forty feet wide and it extends
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: for hundreds of feet.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: Like a canyon or something.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I was thinking I didn't know what to
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: call it, maybe a box canyon or whatever I have.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: I still nobody still identified what it is, you know.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: Somebody told me it might be a collapsed lava tube
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: or something. I don't know, but it straddled the edge
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: of the park. And my thought was that they were
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: getting done in this thing and walking out of it,
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: you know, walking out of the park covered, you know,
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: not being seen, and they were coming out the other
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: end to be able to go forage.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: And so one, you know, one day, I went up there,
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: and I got.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: There at about four o'clock in the afternoon, and I
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: parked way away from the park and I hiked in
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: and it took about a forty five minute hike to
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: get in, and I set up on the edge of
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: this depression in the ground. I just wanted to be there.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: And what I did, I took a bunch of dead
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: fall and I built a blind, you know, a blind
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: that was facing into the park. And it must have
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: been good, because no sooner did I get that done
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: than about ten minutes later, a couple of park readers
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: came walking right through that feature that I was that
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: I was telling you about. They walked right through it
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: and never saw it, which is a good thing because
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: you know, it was. Thankfully the Statute of limitations on
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: federal climate is pised up and I can actually open
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: the talk about it because it is it is a
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: federal crime to.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: Be on that property after dark.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: So yeah, well, you know, I mean, you know, hey,
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: no risk, no glory, right, no pain, and you know that.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: And I was set up, and I was just listening
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: and listening and listening, and I was very early in
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: my field experience, so the only thing that was really
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: going through my head at that point was, Hey, I'm
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: going to be the man. I'm going to prove these
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: things are out there. I'm going to be that guy.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: You know, That's all you think about. A little did
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: I know or little I realized that I had walked
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: into an area that has bear attacks every year, armed
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: with nothing but a can of bear bear spray and
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: a camping knife. So yeah, I was not the brightest color. Yeah,
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: I was not the brightest color in the crayon box
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: at that point, all right, So you know, very very
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: green in my experience going out there. So I'm out
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: there by myself, sitting behind this blind and just listening,
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: no night vision gear, no nothing. L stupido is what
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: I would call it. So I'm doing this and it
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: lasted till probably about I'm guessing abound one thirty, you know,
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: in the morning, and I started to hear a howl
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: off in the distance, and then I heard it again,
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: and it was closer. And the third time I heard
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: it it was even closer, and I was saying, something's
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: coming this way. I don't know what it is, and
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: it was like that long howl type of thing that
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: you hear something that I that I've come to call
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: a sounding basically like hey, I'm over here as anybody
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: else around, that type of thing. The fourth time I
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: heard it, it was definitely getting very close. I mean,
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: it may have been a mile away at that point.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: And after about twenty five thirty minutes, I started to
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: hear footsteps, two footsteps, crunch, crunch, crunch, crunch, walking through
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: the through through the woods, and they were coming that way,
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: and I'm thinking, I'm getting all excited, you know, I'm
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: getting all pumped up. You know. I, Oh, I'm gonna
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: do it. I'm gonna do it now. Then I realized
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: I can't see. All I can do is listen. And
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: it seemed like this thing walked right up on me,
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: and in reality, it was probably about twenty to twenty
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: five yards away from me. And it stopped and I
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: just sat there for a second like, okay, it was there,
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: you know, Okay, I'm just trying to cheat my attention there.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: And then I started to hear barks. I started to
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: hear a pair of growls, some chirps, you know, chirping
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: at me, one sound that I can only describe as
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: kind of like an angry gurgling sound. It's like a
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: kind of thing. And this thing proceeded to stomp around
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: my position in that way. And when I say stomp,
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: I know he was stomping because I could feel the
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: vibrations in the ground.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: Damn.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So you're talking about something big that's very angry
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: and stomping on the ground. And from with that and
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: the noises it was making, I realized it's trying to
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: scare me away. And it would go around and then
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: circle back around. It was about a two hundred and
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: seventy degree arc all around my position, all the time
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: barking and chirping and growling and everything trying to get
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: me to move. And this went on for about forty minutes.
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  Speaker 2: Damn yeah, and the only thing I could think of
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  Speaker 2: at that point, because as it was at that point,
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  Speaker 2: I realized just file how far over the tips of
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  Speaker 2: my skis I was on this one. I was in
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  Speaker 2: a bad spot. And of course I had hand on
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  Speaker 2: that can of bear spread as you're going to eat
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  Speaker 2: all this if you're going to get me, you know,
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  Speaker 2: one of those kind of things. And I was sitting
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  Speaker 2: on a five gallon bucket that I had a lid
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  Speaker 2: that had like a seat cushion on it, and so
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  Speaker 2: I was just rotating, and I was the only thing
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  Speaker 2: I could think of. You never let an angry animal
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  Speaker 2: behind you, and so I'm just rotating, trying to face
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  Speaker 2: where the noise is coming from. And I did that
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  Speaker 2: for about forty minutes and then I heard it was
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  Speaker 2: about at my one o'clock position. I heard this distinct pop,
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  Speaker 2: like a tree brand branch had just been snapped off,
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  Speaker 2: and I went, oh God, he's gonna come over here
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  Speaker 2: and beat the daylights out of me with that, I'm
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  Speaker 2: a dead man. And about ten seconds later, this branch
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  Speaker 2: just landed, just came a big thump right next you know,
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  Speaker 2: right over here, about eight feet from me, and just boom,
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  Speaker 2: and you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, of course, notthing like this.
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  Speaker 2: And then the noises started getting softer. He was moving away,
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  Speaker 2: going back in the direction that it was going, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm sitting there. I mean, I had a flashlight, but
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  Speaker 2: you know, I could see some and I didn't want
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  Speaker 2: to lose my night vision. It the only thing I
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  Speaker 2: didn't want to do. I didn't want to be dependent
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  Speaker 2: on a flashlight at three o'clock in the morning. Right
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  Speaker 2: what you can see is only going to be there
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  Speaker 2: as long as your batteries last.
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  Speaker 1: So I only wanted to use it if I really
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  Speaker 1: had to.
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  Speaker 2: And so I'm just sitting there in the dark, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm listening to this thing going away and going away,
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  Speaker 2: and after about it again, after about a half an hour,
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  Speaker 2: I didn't hear it anymore, and I looked down at
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  Speaker 2: my phone. It was like four o'clock, and I'm thinking, like,
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna kill myself trying to get out of here
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  Speaker 2: in the dark. So all I could do was wait
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  Speaker 2: and I waited till first light, which is you know,
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  Speaker 2: it was about the longest hour and forty five minutes
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  Speaker 2: of my life trying to wait just so I could
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  Speaker 2: actually see something. And as soon as I had enough
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  Speaker 2: light to see, I started gathering up my year and
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  Speaker 2: I looked over at this branch that had landed next
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  Speaker 2: to me. And the base of this branch where it
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  Speaker 2: then snapped off, was about that big, a round about
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  Speaker 2: six inches around, just ripped off, snapped and thrown. The
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  Speaker 2: branch itself was ten or twelve feet long, and from
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  Speaker 2: you think of a distance of about seventy five feet
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  Speaker 2: or so. To be that accurate with something, I mean
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  Speaker 2: that thing had to weigh eighty pounds.
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  Speaker 1: You hear it with the rocks, they're very accurate. They
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  Speaker 1: can get real close to you and not hit you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so he that thing dropped that thing right next
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  Speaker 2: to me, and that's when I got very hurried and
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: getting my stuff gathered.
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  Speaker 1: Up right to visually see it. Right. It gives you
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: that extra you're putting one on one together and like,
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  Speaker 1: oh man, what did I really experience? Go go go.
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  Speaker 2: I took that forty five minute hike and turned it
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  Speaker 2: into a twenty minute job back to my car and
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: literally got everything in my car, sat down, I had
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: the key in my hand, and once I was in
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: that car, all of a sudden, I just felt a
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: sense of relief and all my emotions just let go.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: And I'm telling you, I cried like a baby for
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: about fifteen minutes because it was just NonStop stress for
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: about six seven hours. And once I knew it, once
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: I had a feeling that it was over, it just
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: all let go. And that's one of the traumatic situations,
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: one of the one of the two that I've had,
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: in addition to the other two encounters that I've had
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: that really have led me into It was about three
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: years later that I got into I started about the
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: traumatic effects and everything like that. So having gone through
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: it myself, you know, I actually think that actually helped
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: me in the work that I was doing at time,
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: you know, working in behavior management with kids, was that
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: I had experienced that kind of trauma what it felt
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: like in working with those kids, and that eventually led
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: me to the point where I realized, Hey, a lot
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: of the stuff is the same. You know, a lot
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: of these things that people are going through are the
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: same things. So you've got to be able to There's
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: got to be some connection there, and that's what really
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: got me into all this line of research, something that
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: a lot of people don't do. You know, a lot
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: of researchers don't really understand. You know, a lot of folks,
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: like in your position, you know, you found you find
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: out just in the course of doing business and how
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: deep this trauma is and how much people need the
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: support people that will actually listen and understand.
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  Speaker 1: I have asd myself. Man, I'm a I'm a former
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: Army vet, and I when they say things to me,
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: I go, yeah, man, just I want them I just
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: want them to feel human for a minute. Yeah, just
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: just That's that's the things I do. I'm here, I'm
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: listening to you, and that's that's everything. That's everything, exactly
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: everything to them. I've listened to this.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: I listened to folks talk to me for hours, and
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: you know, it's one of those things where I'll maybe say,
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: you know, four sentences and four hours, and I just
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: really want to keep them on track. And you know,
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: I'm very popular amongst people that I work with for
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: the phrase go on. I wanted to keep going. I
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: just wanted to keep going, and you know, and you know, Okay,
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: take a breath, go on, let's go, let's keep it going.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: And you know, the more they can get out, the better.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: And at this point I want to say, I deeply
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: appreciate the sacrifices you made in service to our country.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: I really do. My daughter is right now in pilot
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: training for the army. She's going to be flying the
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: big chinooks. You know like that? Yeah, all right, I
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: especially yeah, I understand. Yeah, I understand that the sacrifices
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: that everyone who serves made, and.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: Not just the people who do it, the families as
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: well who support.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: I do appreciate tremendously what you what you've done, and
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: what you gave. Well.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: I also appreciate what you do MANI the people we're
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: trying to leave the world a better place than what
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: we found it in it. I think that's that's I
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: think it's admirable. Man. Where can people find your research?
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: I know you say you're still trying to get a
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: printed is anywhere Like if somebody who's compelled now to
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: maybe speak up and either talk to you or I,
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: where can they find you? Okay?
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: Facebook is easy? Look for the only Richard Daniels in Albuquerque,
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: New Mexico. You can direct message me. I've had dozens
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: and dozens of people track me down that way. It's
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: the best way to do it. I don't really keep
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: a site or a page or anything like that, you know,
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: mostly because I'm just not I'm not in the sensational
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: entertainment end of things. I've had people try to get
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: me into that, and I really wanted to go, you know,
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: and do it, but it's just not me, you know.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: What I'm what I'm about is finding truth, you know,
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: and as much truth as I can uncover.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: As we do.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: This is really what I'm out there for. And I
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: have the ability to work, listen to people, to talk
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: to people and help them through the difficult situations that
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: they have, and I'm more than happy to do it.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: I really am.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: And the more I the more I listen, the more
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: questions I ask, the more I learn. And that's what
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: I get out of it. And if it gives them
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: some peace of mind, if it gives them some better
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: some better coping strategies to be able to get through
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: what they went through, I'm more than happy to do it.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: So that's that's always going to be the basis of
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: the of the research that I do, and no matter
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: what else I get into, I'll always have time to
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: be able to do that for folks.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: Fantastic buddy. I appreciate it so much as you came
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: on to talk with me today.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: I you know, I enjoy it. I you know, I
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: told you I was a talker. Basically, my record for
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: my record for a continuous conversation on this is eight hours.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I can't do that now, Yeah, weird record
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: is wind surfing for seven hours straight.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 2: There you go.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I actually gotta go, you gotta go.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 2: I had actually actually had a rolling conversation with you know,
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: rotating people that I was talking with in the lobby
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: of a hotel for eight hours. At one point I
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: just kept going, yeah, well thanks, how fired That's how
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: fired up I am about this about this subject, and
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: you know, I really want to share it with people.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: Once again, my apologies for standing you up and uh
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: and thanks for coming on talking with to day. All right, guys,
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: I hope you guys enjoyed that episode. Thank you so much. Rich.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: We are the I we are aware. I love you all.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: Have a great day, night, and or weekend. Right a