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Expelling Evil: A Look into Modern-Day Exorcisms · PNW Haunts & Homicides

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  Maybe this demon does have a foot fetish.
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  There's a lot of foot.
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  Yeah, I feel like it's foot fetish.
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  Or maybe it's a little like a really small demon and all it can reach is the feet.
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  That could be.
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  That could be.
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  I feel like it's more salacious if we think of it as a foot fetish demon.
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  Just like that I'm willing to entertain either.
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  I'm picturing it like when the Grinch slithers around the floor.
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  Yes.
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  Yes.
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  A thousand percent.
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  A thousand percent.
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  Hi, Caitlyn.
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  Hi, Cassie.
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  Hi, creepy people.
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  Hello.
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  If you're new to our creepy corner of the world, this is PNW, Haunts and Homicides, where we
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  chat about true crime, the paranormal, and all kinds of spooky creepy weird shit in the
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  Pacific Northwest that we do.
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  We also do a tarot reading at the end of every episode for a little bit of deeper insight
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  into our topic for the day.
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  We do and occasionally forget to say PNW if you're nasty.
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  I know.
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  I said it when I recorded with Cristina.
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  I was like, Oh, I have to do this because otherwise Cassie will be so old, mild.
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  I'm pale straight now.
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  PNW.
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  If you are nasty.
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  Yeah.
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  Um, it's my episode.
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  It is.
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  I know I was like, um, what?
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  Which is why we're drinking blood.
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  My lights look like fire.
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  They do.
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  Yeah.
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  And I'm wearing this beautiful shirt.
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  "Satan loves you for who you are."
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  So true, right?
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  Cute.
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  So this recording actually got delayed because a little bit.
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  Someone likes to get sick a lot during the winter.
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  I mean, back to back.
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  Yeah.
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  That was wild.
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  Me and system goes down and it's just all shit breaks loose.
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  But getting better, my lips are coming back online.
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  They were very chapped.
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  We've been talking about the nipple cream I have to use on my lips.
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  Yeah.
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  That's a new one for me.
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  I got to say it took a lot of googling.
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  But apparently mama nursing nipple cream because their little ninnies get chapped from
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  the baby suckles or whatever happens.
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  I can only imagine.
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  Ouch.
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  Sorry, if that's ever happened to you.
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  Yeah.
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  Like deeply sorry.
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  But anyway, the nipple cream, it's made from like sheep fat or some shit.
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  Yeah.
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  And it works like almost overnight.
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  It was crazy.
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  Yeah, I would imagine.
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  So if you're if you're having chappy lippy troubles, Lanolin cream, I think it's called
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  something like that.
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  Oh, okay.
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  That's right.
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  Anyway, the point of this conversation was we were supposed to do this episode.
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  We were going to do it remote because I was house sitting.
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  Yeah.
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  And I wouldn't have had all the stuff that I brought with me today because I just I don't
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  know.
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  I wasn't thinking about it or I didn't want to like pack it all with me.
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  So I brought a bunch of fun stuff today.
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  And I don't know.
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  I'm kind of glad it got postponed a little bit.
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  It worked out.
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  Things worked out.
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  One of the things you can't really tell what it is, but you'll get to see it in the
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  alter later.
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  This is my Taylor Swift candle.
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  I forget what are those called?
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  It's like a...
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  There's a name for that? Prayer candles.
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  I think something like that.
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  Yeah, I think you're right.
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  Yeah.
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  So she's got a cross.
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  She's like kind of like mother Teresa style.
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  Is that what it is or Mary Mary?
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  That's a good thing.
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  Yeah, mother Mary or I mean, you know, mother's true.
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  Some of my bad.
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  I love one.
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  Yeah, turns out we probably wouldn't put her own one of those candles.
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  I didn't know.
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  I know.
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  Yeah.
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  And I'm not super familiar with it.
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  So I wouldn't either.
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  I'm not even going to go there.
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  I heard it in passing and I was like, I don't want to know anymore.
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  Yeah, shut down.
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  Really ruining my day.
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  Oh, man.
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  Anyway, so what are we talking about today?
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  I don't know.
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  This topic is something that's like always totally fascinated me.
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  But I don't necessarily believe in it.
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  Okay.
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  So I know some of you might and that's totally valid and totally fine and you maybe she's
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  maintaining healthy skepticism.
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  Okay.
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  It's just my personal.
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  Yeah.
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  My personal shit.
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  And I'll kind of explain it kind of going through some of this stuff.
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  All right.
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  But if you're kind of spooked out by the D word demon, not dick.
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  Okay.
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  Some people.
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  Some people spooked out by dicks, which is valid.
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  That's yeah, also valid.
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  Yeah.
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  So if you want to listen, take whatever protective measures you want, you know, wrap it before
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  you tap it.
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  Nobody if you want to have like protective crystals around you or just maybe set your intentions.
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  We'll set intentions right now.
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  Just in case nothing evil is allowed in this room.
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  Nothing is allowed to stay and fuck with us.
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  Don't touch her.
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  You can touch me all you want.
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  But yeah, I think I need to go shopping.
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  What kind of crystal did you draw?
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  This is just the one that I keep on the desk because it's one of the poem stone style.
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  And it's small.
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  So it's easy for me to just have it within arm's reach.
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  So we're safe.
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  We're protected.
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  Nothing is allowed to bother us.
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  Just on putting my foot down right now.
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  Okay.
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  And that's how it works.
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  That's how you do it.
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  All right.
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  You need to skip some of this stuff, you know, feel free.
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  Okay.
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  Go listen to another episode or wait for one of Caitlyn's because those aren't evil at all.
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  Yeah.
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  And then, you know, on the next one of mine, we'll talk about how, you know, putting
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  your foot down famously is a great way to lose a foot.
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  I guess we'll see.
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  What?
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  I'm like, oh, putting your foot down.
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  That's like, those are straw, those are fighting words.
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  Did I pick up on some vibes?
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  I don't know.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  And I'm wearing my anti-possession bracelet.
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  Well, it's my Supernatural bracelet with the little anti-possession charm.
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  It says jerk on it.
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  Brittany has the one that says bitch.
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  I love it.
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  And then I also have that tattooed on my body on my ribs.
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  So I can never be possessed by a demon.
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  Ouch.
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  I think Caitlyn, you need to get one.
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  And I think it would make you feel a lot safer.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  She doesn't have tattoos.
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  I didn't know.
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  Well, why are we talking about demons today?
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  Why did I bring up possession?
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  I don't know.
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  Probably the same reason you brought up needles.
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  I brought up needles.
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  Well tattoos...
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  Oh, okay.
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  I was like, needles.
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  Ew, I don't like those.
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  Unless they're putting ink into my skin.
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  Yeah.
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  And then they're fine.
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  No, that sounds way better.
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  Well, today we're going to talk about exorcism.
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  Oh.
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  Oh, this is one of my no-no-button.
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  It's, you know, I think you'll feel a lot better about this when I finish.
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  Okay.
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  I think you will.
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  Yeah.
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  Famously I always feel better after Cassie's episodes.
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  I don't know.
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  I feel like I try to talk about things in a logical way and I don't try to just scare the
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  poop out of people.
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  I try to.
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  Exactly.
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  I scare you and also give you valid things that also could be happening.
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  Yeah.
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  Exactly.
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  No.
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  I don't know if you're a fall.
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  It's, you know, just a natural state of being for me.
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  I know.
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  I try to be gentle with you, but I just can't all the time.
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  We got to go down this exorcism path.
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  Exorcism escalator, if you will.
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  Oh.
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  So exorcism is the expulsion or attempted expulsion of a supposed evil spirit from a person,
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  place or object.
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  Okay.
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  So we've talked about ways you can kind of clear out bad energy with smoke, crystals,
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  sound and words.
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  Like I just did.
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  I put my foot down and said, no, you can't.
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  Exorcisms are basically just in advanced form of cleansing in a very, like kind of cleansing
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  a very intense negative energy or a demon as it's thought of.
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  Yeah.
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  Thinking about it that way makes it a little bit less intimidating.
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  Right?
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  That's what I thought.
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  Just like really cleansing the shit out of something, you know, clenching the life of
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  a god.
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  Study.com defines demon as quote, a supernatural being with often malevolent or evil intentions.
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  They are usually described as trying to influence humans away from good and direct them towards
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  evil.
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  Oh, which is like we'll talk about it a little later, but what is evil?
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  You know, a lot of people's definition of evil is very different.
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  It's true, but I feel like for most of us, it's sort of like porn, you know, like they
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  said in like, I think it was a congressional hearing.
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  You know it when you see it.
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  You know, evil when you see it.
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  Yeah.
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  Oh, I was like, porn's not evil unless it's the evil kind.
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  Exactly.
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  Yeah.
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  But you'll know it when you see it.
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  Maybe.
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  But really it definitely depends on who you are and what your beliefs are.
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  So.
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  My definition of things that are evil or things that are good are other people's definition
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  of things that are evil.
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  So two things can be true.
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  Oh, yeah.
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  Maybe.
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  I don't know.
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  We'll see.
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  I have some fighting words for some people later on.
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  So the earliest known axiocisms took place in Mesopotamia.
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  So literally since the beginning of civilization.
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  The cradle.
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  We've been trying to tell evil to get fucked.
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  Okay.
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  Wow.
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  When Christianity came around, anyone who believed anything different like paganism was
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  evil and therefore must be exercised.
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  Yeah, that makes sense.
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  Yeah.
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  Not always the most open-minded of folk.
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  No.
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  So like paganism, they're just minding their own business or I mean, pagans were just
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  minding their own business and all of a sudden this new religion comes around and they're
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  being told that they are evil now.
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  So who's definition of evil is right?
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  Hard to say.
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  I feel like when you're the new guy on the block though, probably don't go and knock on
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  your neighbor's doors and be like, you're evil.
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  You know, you're supposed to like bring over a magic cookies or something.
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  That's a nice thing to do that.
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  They just try to steal it all for themselves and wipe it all clean.
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  Yeah.
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  Not a strong strategy.
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  I feel like it worked.
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  It worked.
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  It worked for the time and it worked for a long time, but it's coming back and it's going
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  to bite you guys in the ass.
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  Karma.
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  Now I see why T-Swift is here.
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  Karma.
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  Yeah.
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  I love that song.
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  We should start playing it.
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  I'm putting it all together, you guys.
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  It just all connects.
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  That wasn't even purposeful, you know?
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  Even last minute, just was scanning my room for anything else to bring and my eyes landed
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  on the T-Swift.
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  Keep prayer candle and I was like, holy shit, that's perfect.
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  Literally holy shit.
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  Yeah.
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  That's perfect.
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  Listen, if anybody was going to give me an exorcism, if Taylor Swift was involved, I
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  do think I would feel better than not.
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  Taylor, please exercise my demons.
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  Yeah.
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  So that's like a line from one of our newer songs.
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  All right.
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  She might be an exorcist.
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  You might be on to some shit, you guys.
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  How all right?
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  Maybe we need to make some tin foil hat.
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  What is it on our vigilante shit?
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  Oh, yeah.
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  All right, we'll keep going.
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  The rituals typically performed by trained professionals of an organized religion.
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  And I'm sure most of us think like Christian or Catholic, but many other religions utilize
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  this practice as well.
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  Like Bishop Cloud, who used to live in Medford, Oregon of the time I was researching this or
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  reading the research for this.
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  I don't know if he still lives there or not.
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  Okay.
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  Who has been an exorcist for over 20 years?
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  Okay.
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  He started as a priest with the Anglican Church, which is a branch of Christianity for 10
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  years before being kicked out for carrying out exorcisms without permission from the church.
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  Yeah.
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  They do want you to ask permission, but they will typically say no.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  It's like very uncommon to actually go through with all of this.
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  Yes.
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  Yeah.
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  I hear they basically say no to everybody.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Unless they don't.
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  And they nail people to floors and watch them bleed out.
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  That's fine.
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  We're not going to go totally deep down on the really, really bad exorcisms.
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  We're not going there today.
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  But I just touched on it.
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  That's what happened.
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  I don't like it.
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  This is pretty tame.
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  Okay.
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  Now, he's joined up with the old Catholics who are actually not a part of the Roman Catholic
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  Church.
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  Oh.
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  Yeah.
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  Cloud is now an archbishop for Advent International's Order of Exorcists and an affiliated
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  member of the Sacred Order of St. Michael and the Archangels Order of Exorcists.
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  A lot of words.
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  It's a lot of a lot of things, which none of them are actually associated with, you know,
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  the Catholic Church.
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  The Catholic Church.
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  Like as we think of it.
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  Exactly.
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  Yeah.
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  It's like its own.
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  The Pope's like nah.
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  It's still like an organized religion.
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  It's just separate.
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  Yes.
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  Yeah.
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  Okay.
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  Exactly.
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  The Pope was like nah.
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  No.
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  So here is someone who is part of an organized religion, but not an official member of the
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  big official, I said official a bunch of times.
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  I called it the big official Catholic Papa Bear.
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  Papa Bear?
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  I mean, it's Pope-a bear.
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  Yeah.
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  It's like part of like the same umbrella, but it's like almost like when you look at a family
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  tree and like you have your mom's side, your dad's side, like they're over there, you
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  know, and the Pope's over here.
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  Exactly.
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  Yeah.
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  And he's like, I don't know who you are.
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  I don't know.
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  I don't know her.
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  I'm a fuck with that.
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  Yeah.
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  But Cloud believes his life's calling is relieving people from torment of demonic possession.
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  I mean, I guess it's crazy job.
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  Somebody's got to do it, maybe.
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  Yeah.
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  I guess.
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  I don't know.
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  I guess it's what he's really called to.
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  Okay.
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  And he is extremely serious about his work saying quote, I am here to kick ass and take
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  names.
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  I am there as a soldier.
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  I am going into battle.
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  Okay.
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  So he's he really believes he's he's on it.
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  And he thinks he's helping people.
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  Which is on one, you know, that's a good thing.
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  Yeah.
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  Maybe he does not charge for the service, thankfully.
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  So at least there is this thing where he doesn't charge for it.
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  He is just trying to help you.
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  Usually with stuff like this, I've heard it's like donation based.
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  Oh, almost like, you know, you don't have to tip your waiter, but everybody knows you
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  should.
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  But I don't know.
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  I don't either.
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  Nothing about that uses tips.
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  Maybe nothing was mentioned in any of the stuff I research.
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  So I really couldn't answer that question for you.
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  But he was set down this path.
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  Perhaps his young is four when he started to see shadow people.
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  Whoa.
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  So he's been seeing shit since he was little.
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  So that makes sense that if you have seen things that you aren't sure about or that
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  you think are paranormal, supernatural, that you might be set down this path.
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  Yeah.
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  Especially if you think it's evil.
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  Definitely.
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  Have I ever told you the story about when I saw someone?
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  What?
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  What are you talking about when I was like a little kid?
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  You did?
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  Yes.
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  Okay.
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  So I was listening to, ‘And That's Why We Drink' the other day.
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  And Christine was talking about how Leona, her daughter, I think, is like three now.
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  And she turned to her and she had been like sitting there at the table coloring.
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  And Christine was like, I don't know, just doing something around the house.
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  And Leona says, where is that lady going?
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  Never have kids.
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  And she was like, I thought maybe she was seeing something else.
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  I was misunderstanding how she had phrased the question.
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  I thought she had said, where is that lady coming from?
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  Or something?
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  And maybe she couldn't quite articulate what she was trying to ask.
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  But no, her daughter was like, oh yeah.
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  Like she's the wife.
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  It's like my friend.
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  That's his wife.
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  And she was like your friend.
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  So she goes into a whole thing where she was basically saying, okay, well, you guys can
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  be friends.
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  But if he ever makes you unhappy, it's okay to tell him and you need to tell me, and just
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  basically walking her child, just trying not to traumatize her.
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  By being like, oh, that's not real.
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  Or you know, you know, you know, you know, validating basically.
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  Because that's a big thing.
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  Either like being too scared, like making it a scary thing or making it just like invalid.
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  Exactly.
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  And she's too young probably to understand.
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  And Christine was talking about how she, I think it was a medium friend of hers that said,
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  oh, she's not really like awake yet.
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  She doesn't really realize what, like some of what she's seeing or whatever, but like she
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  will in like a few years or something.
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  And I was like, oh my god.
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  And it reminded me of this time where at our apartment, I had a little like loft bedroom
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  and my brother had his room downstairs next to my parents room.
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  And I remember looking over at my mom and I was like, mom, who's that guy?
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  And she, she freaked because she was like, what guy?
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  Because she saw me like looking down the hallway towards my brother's room.
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  Oh.
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  Going, who's that guy?
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  Oh, my god.
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  And she was like, what guy?
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  And I described I was like, well, he was wearing, I think it was a red shirt and blue shorts.
• 18:59
  Like I still have like a vestige of a visual memory of seeing this.
• 19:06
  And she was like, of course, she like goes and checks and she's like, there's no one here.
• 19:12
  Like, did you see someone outside?
• 19:15
  Or, you know what I mean?
• 19:17
  Wow.
• 19:18
  That's really, really.
• 19:20
  It freaked me out to remember that because I haven't thought about that in a long time.
• 19:24
  Geez.
• 19:25
  Hold on on us.
• 19:26
  You got a spooky story all along.
• 19:30
  Anna.
• 19:31
  Yeah.
• 19:32
  No, I was like, I honestly, when I thought about it the other day, I was like, oh, I should
• 19:36
  tell Cassie about that and like, talk about how I remembered that.
• 19:40
  Yeah.
• 19:41
  Oh, I'm sure I've already told her this story.
• 19:44
  I don't think so.
• 19:45
  Oh, positive.
• 19:46
  He's almost said nothing.
• 19:48
  Like at all.
• 19:49
  I was like, oh, no, I've totally told her this story.
• 19:51
  You didn't.
• 19:52
  I don't know that I know of anyway unless I forgot.
• 19:54
  But it's like it was the first time I was hearing it.
• 19:59
  I'm squeezing.
• 20:00
  I forgot to bring.
• 20:01
  I have this little squish ball.
• 20:03
  This is Rebecca.
• 20:04
  She's a double like being called Becca, by the way.
• 20:07
  She's not Becca.
• 20:08
  It's Rebecca.
• 20:09
  Okay.
• 20:10
  Rebecca.
• 20:11
  Okay.
• 20:12
  Okay.
• 20:14
  He saw shadow people.
• 20:16
  Okay.
• 20:17
  So that kind of set the creepy shit that cloud saw as a child kind of set him down this exorcism
• 20:22
  path.
• 20:23
  But that's not his only path.
• 20:25
  Okay.
• 20:26
  Cloud is also a therapist and drug and alcohol counselor.
• 20:30
  So he feels like this helps him be able to see the difference between a possession by something
• 20:36
  evil or a drug or mental health crisis.
• 20:40
  Interesting.
• 20:41
  I could see that.
• 20:44
  Now I have a whole other host of concerns though.
• 20:47
  Me too.
• 20:48
  Okay.
• 20:49
  Great.
• 20:50
  Great.
• 20:51
  Glad we're on the same page with that.
• 20:53
  But I think that it is kind of a good thing to have that background to be able to kind of
• 20:59
  assess the situation.
• 21:01
  Openness maybe, but it's concerning.
• 21:04
  I have.
• 21:05
  Okay.
• 21:06
  I'm not.
• 21:07
  I'm going to let you finish.
• 21:08
  Why is it concerning to you?
• 21:09
  Um, just because I do think that somebody like who is administering for all intents and
• 21:15
  purposes mental health or, um, you know, I don't know what his certification specifically
• 21:21
  is, but like that is could very, very well be like truly medical care to to some degree.
• 21:31
  It's concerning that like that might potentially be tied in.
• 21:37
  I just think about the consequences of somebody who thinks they've diagnosed, um, one thing
• 21:44
  when it might might be utterly unrelated.
• 21:48
  I don't know.
• 21:49
  I'm spiraling hair.
• 21:50
  I don't know.
• 21:51
  I don't.
• 21:52
  Obviously, I don't know his circumstances and like what he does in his job or whatever.
• 21:57
  I was kind of under the impression that he has a stage job and it's totally stopped.
• 22:03
  And he doesn't try to like talk to those people about getting exercise.
• 22:07
  Like people come to his website and contact him for exorcism.
• 22:11
  Yeah.
• 22:12
  And then he kind of uses the therapy and drug and alcohol counseling to those are like
• 22:18
  assess that situation.
• 22:20
  Yeah.
• 22:21
  They're like, I'm part metalized.
• 22:22
  I assume that's my that's my concern.
• 22:24
  Yes.
• 22:25
  Hopefully those are very compartmentalized because that.
• 22:28
  Yeah.
• 22:29
  That has the potential to create a lot of a lot of trauma.
• 22:33
  Yeah.
• 22:34
  And specifically like, you know, for people that maybe already have religious trauma.
• 22:39
  Exactly.
• 22:40
  Yeah.
• 22:41
  So I mean, who I on I certainly don't know for sure.
• 22:45
  And I'm not like advocating for this dude or whatever.
• 22:49
  I mean, you'll see as we go along here.
• 22:51
  But yeah, I don't know.
• 22:53
  Hopefully that's not the case because I can't imagine he would be like keeping a job.
• 22:58
  Yeah.
• 22:59
  And that's what's happening.
• 23:00
  So one would help.
• 23:02
  Obviously a big sign that something is paranormal is that if other people are witnessing
• 23:09
  and experiencing the same kind of like weird things you are.
• 23:14
  Right.
• 23:15
  Like that we talked about it before the corroboration.
• 23:17
  Yeah.
• 23:18
  corroboration.
• 23:19
  Yeah.
• 23:20
  So that's kind of one of the things he looks for as well as he tries to see if anyone else
• 23:25
  in the house or anyone else around this person is also experiencing.
• 23:29
  Yeah.
• 23:30
  Shit.
• 23:31
  I think in any instance where I've heard about like an exorcism or a paranormal investigation,
• 23:39
  anybody that is generally respected in their, you know, respective field, they kind of
• 23:46
  approach it very much in the same manner that a scientist would.
• 23:50
  It's kind of that scientific method.
• 23:52
  Right.
• 23:53
  Yeah.
• 23:54
  At least they're not, they're, they're trying.
• 23:56
  They're not like fully just like your possess straight away.
• 23:59
  Right.
• 24:00
  I feel like you have to explore the possibility of, I mean, we talk about it with true crime
• 24:05
  investigations.
• 24:06
  Yeah.
• 24:07
  You can't assume and try to make evidence fit.
• 24:09
  Exactly.
• 24:10
  You have to be open to this could be anything, you know, to some degree, particularly mental
• 24:17
  health.
• 24:18
  Yeah.
• 24:19
  What would one experience during a possession situation?
• 24:25
  You wonder.
• 24:26
  I know.
• 24:27
  I don't.
• 24:28
  Well, this is probably going to sound a little familiar to some of you because it's in
• 24:32
  like all the movies.
• 24:33
  So.
• 24:34
  Okay.
• 24:35
  And this is something that Cloud said in this interview.
• 24:39
  So these are from him too.
• 24:42
  Okay.
• 24:43
  Number one is infestation.
• 24:49
  It feels like a standard haunting.
• 24:51
  You might feel cold spots in your house here mildly alarming things like knocking or scratching
• 24:58
  or footsteps or voices.
• 25:02
  You might see an apparition smell random smells like one of the things is sulfur.
• 25:08
  Right.
• 25:09
  Right.
• 25:10
  The diamon.
• 25:11
  If no known origin or cause, it's not like a gas leak or something.
• 25:16
  Please make sure if you're selling sulfur that you look for your gas leak.
• 25:19
  You really have to explore like all of those like physical and verifiable possibilities.
• 25:26
  Yep.
• 25:27
  We'll keep drilling that in.
• 25:29
  Yes.
• 25:30
  You also might witness objects moving on their own.
• 25:35
  Just typical haunting stuff.
• 25:37
  So typical.
• 25:38
  So typical.
• 25:39
  Number two is oppression where things start to get a little more intense with sleep problems,
• 25:46
  nightmares, illness, anxiety, anger or depression.
• 25:50
  Oh, so this kind of just like happens.
• 25:54
  I feel like if your house is haunted like obviously you're going to be stressed out with
• 25:57
  this.
• 25:58
  It feels like it's just very intense feelings with pretty much no cause.
• 26:02
  I guess other than the weird haunting shit you're experiencing.
• 26:06
  Right.
• 26:07
  Everybody's like, I don't get why you're so sad.
• 26:11
  Illness too is a big one just like being ill for no reason.
• 26:15
  Well, I think especially if you are having issues with sleep and stress, definitely like
• 26:20
  that just takes such a toll on your immune system.
• 26:23
  Oh, yeah, totally.
• 26:24
  Yeah.
• 26:25
  I feel like it all just goes together too.
• 26:28
  Just becomes kind of a vicious cycle.
• 26:29
  I would think.
• 26:32
  And it might also start to affect your relationships and your work.
• 26:36
  Your things in your life.
• 26:38
  So yeah, it starts to suck.
• 26:42
  And then number three is finally the possession stage where I feel like it's not exactly
• 26:50
  like it is in the movies.
• 26:51
  It's not this crazy like demon who's like speaking through you and yeah, like different
• 26:57
  voices are coming out and you're like breaking bones and walking backwards.
• 27:01
  Everybody can tell if something that dramatic.
• 27:03
  Yeah.
• 27:04
  I feel like he says it's very rare for it to even get to the possession phase.
• 27:10
  I would think so.
• 27:11
  I feel like just the crazy movie possession phase isn't really like a super real real thing.
• 27:19
  That makes sense.
• 27:20
  Yeah.
• 27:21
  Things might have happened a couple of times in the past where you know, he knows if it was
• 27:26
  real or not.
• 27:27
  If it was just someone going through a mental health crisis and having an exact exacerbated
• 27:33
  exacerbated.
• 27:34
  Is that a raided?
• 27:35
  Yeah.
• 27:36
  Is that a raided?
• 27:37
  Is that a sad?
• 27:38
  I know words.
• 27:39
  I'm drinking the split pea soup from the exorcism.
• 27:46
  That little girl throws up out of her mouth.
• 27:48
  Gross.
• 27:49
  I'm not a fan.
• 27:51
  It's actually matcha.
• 27:52
  It's delicious.
• 27:53
  Yeah.
• 27:54
  Matcha is okay.
• 27:55
  Vomited split pea soup.
• 27:56
  I can't know.
• 27:58
  I love split pea soup.
• 28:00
  I was literally just thinking about it the other day that I wanted some.
• 28:03
  It was probably while I was writing this and I was like, it was split pea soup sounds
• 28:07
  great.
• 28:08
  Yeah.
• 28:09
  But now that you've described it as like that scene from the exorcist.
• 28:12
  It's calm.
• 28:13
  Yeah.
• 28:14
  Basically.
• 28:15
  Yeah.
• 28:16
  No, thank you.
• 28:17
  Also in all of the articles and things I found about Cloud, they just refer to him as
• 28:21
  Bishop.
• 28:22
  Even though it said earlier, he was an archbishop.
• 28:24
  But everything's just called him Bishop Cloud.
• 28:27
  I'm not really sure.
• 28:28
  I don't know religious things.
• 28:31
  And yeah, I mean, the nomenclature is, I don't, I'm just not familiar enough to be anything
• 28:37
  but dangerous.
• 28:38
  I mean either.
• 28:39
  So I'll just refer to him as Bishop Cloud.
• 28:40
  I'm not trying to be like disrespectful.
• 28:43
  That's just what they refer to him as in all of the things.
• 28:46
  So yeah, I feel like if that's how he's typically referred to anything you find.
• 28:51
  I mean, also, I think it's cool.
• 28:52
  It's cool.
• 28:53
  He's called Cloud because I'm like heaven.
• 28:55
  Cloud.
• 28:56
  You think you like the clouds.
• 28:57
  It does feel like a little bit.
• 28:59
  It's like a little crunchy.
• 29:00
  Yeah.
• 29:01
  It's a little woo-woo.
• 29:02
  Yeah.
• 29:03
  Bishop Cloud.
• 29:04
  Bishop Cloud.
• 29:05
  So during Bishop Cloud's exorcisms, one to three times a month, which I feel like that seems
• 29:15
  like a lot.
• 29:16
  It's kind of a lot, right?
• 29:17
  Yeah, I thought he said these words not common.
• 29:20
  Well, no.
• 29:21
  Like it's not common to get to like the possession phase.
• 29:25
  I know.
• 29:26
  But you have to be in the possession phase, right?
• 29:30
  No.
• 29:31
  No, you don't have to.
• 29:32
  You can have an exorcism even if you're not possessed.
• 29:34
  Yeah, because you're trying to get ahead of it, right?
• 29:36
  You're trying to, it's basically cleansing.
• 29:38
  Okay.
• 29:39
  Okay.
• 29:40
  Just like an extreme form.
• 29:41
  So you can do it if a possession is starting, I guess, at any phase of a, yeah, I don't
• 29:46
  know.
• 29:47
  That's interesting.
• 29:48
  This entry is full blown.
• 29:49
  It's probably better to get it "nip it in the butt."
• 29:51
  As I like to say.
• 29:53
  Which always just makes me picture someone being bitten in the butt.
• 29:59
  I like to bite booty, booty, booty.
• 30:03
  So he normally has to be quite forceful with the evil entities, but some put up way more
• 30:09
  of a fight than others.
• 30:12
  So some, he says like some of them, he just has to be like really forceful with, and that's
• 30:18
  like with his words with his prayer.
• 30:21
  He doesn't ever like tie people up and like do the crazy, the crazy stuff, you know?
• 30:27
  Yeah.
• 30:28
  So it's full with his like words and his gotcha.
• 30:30
  What do I try to say?
• 30:31
  His like conviction.
• 30:32
  Yeah.
• 30:33
  I mean, it's his demeanor.
• 30:34
  Yeah.
• 30:35
  I feel like his mannerisms.
• 30:36
  Yeah.
• 30:37
  Going to war with his words.
• 30:39
  Yeah.
• 30:40
  In 2018, author Santi of 'An Excellent Day for an Exorcism' on PortlandMercury.com went with
• 30:49
  Bishop Cloud to witness his work in the Bethany area outside of Portland.
• 30:55
  Oh.
• 30:56
  Yeah.
• 30:57
  Okay.
• 30:58
  Right.
• 30:59
  Right.
• 31:00
  When was this?
• 31:01
  2018.
• 31:02
  Okay.
• 31:03
  A man known as Stan, which I don't think that's his real name.
• 31:04
  I think they made a name for the article.
• 31:08
  Felt an overall uneasy presence inside his home and was having what sounds like sleep paralysis
• 31:13
  attacks.
• 31:14
  No.
• 31:15
  Yeah.
• 31:16
  He'd feel like he was being held down, but couldn't see what was doing it.
• 31:22
  He was also being unconcentrally touched, was like, don't do that.
• 31:35
  No, demons.
• 31:36
  You have my consent.
• 31:37
  Come touch.
• 31:38
  Oh my God.
• 31:39
  I really hate that.
• 31:40
  I really, really hate that.
• 31:43
  He was experiencing something unseen, pulling his hair or sometimes, gnawing on his feet.
• 31:48
  No.
• 31:52
  Which totally reminds me of the movie Talk to Me.
• 31:57
  There you haven't seen it.
• 31:58
  It's a possession movie.
• 31:59
  Oh, okay.
• 32:00
  I was like, this doesn't sound familiar.
• 32:02
  I do have a clip.
• 32:03
  No, thank you.
• 32:04
  You don't want to see the clip?
• 32:06
  I feel like I'm good.
• 32:08
  There's a foot, but second, nine foot, fetish demon.
• 32:12
  Like a nine foot fetish demon.
• 32:14
  Yeah.
• 32:15
  It was like a creepy old lady.
• 32:18
  I will link the video and I, it's, I'll put the timestamp of where it starts.
• 32:25
  If anyone is curious, it's a really good movie though.
• 32:29
  Talk to me.
• 32:30
  My friend, Katelyn, and I watched it.
• 32:33
  Not this Caitlyn.
• 32:34
  Oh, yeah.
• 32:35
  Different Katelyn.
• 32:36
  I always do that every time because your names are spelled different.
• 32:37
  So you're different.
• 32:38
  Yeah, completely different name.
• 32:40
  Totally different people.
• 32:42
  But for real, so you guys know.
• 32:44
  Yeah.
• 32:45
  So God, knowing on it.
• 32:47
  I don't like that.
• 32:48
  I am not.
• 32:49
  No, you're like having sleep paralysis too.
• 32:52
  That's just awful.
• 32:54
  Poor Stan.
• 32:56
  One night, Stan was feeling something grabbing and clawing at his toes.
• 33:02
  And all of a sudden, I had a terrifying vision and horrifying, intrusive thoughts.
• 33:08
  He didn't give the details about any of this.
• 33:11
  I assume because they were really disturbing to him.
• 33:14
  I don't think he wanted to really talk about it.
• 33:17
  Which - same girl.
• 33:20
  Maybe trigger warning here.
• 33:23
  I had a really terrible intrusive thought recently.
• 33:27
  So if you're kind of squeamish about sharp objects, maybe skip four.
• 33:31
  But you have to hear this.
• 33:36
  I think I already told you this.
• 33:38
  I had the worst intrusive thought the other night.
• 33:40
  It was probably a month ago.
• 33:42
  And I was just laying in bed trying to sleep, just minding my own business, just clearing
• 33:46
  your mind, and just relaxing.
• 33:50
  And all of a sudden, I was like, what if I bit into a razor that was hidden in my food?
• 33:56
  And I felt it in my mouth, like going to the roof of my mouth.
• 34:02
  Why?
• 34:03
  I know exactly why.
• 34:05
  Why?
• 34:06
  Because of the myth of the razor blades in candy and apples.
• 34:10
  Yeah, but why would that all of a sudden randomly pop into my brain in the middle of
• 34:16
  the night when I was just, I wasn't thinking about anything.
• 34:19
  I was really peacefully just trying to sleep.
• 34:21
  And then that popped into my head.
• 34:24
  I know normally you like your matcha, but that is anxiety.
• 34:27
  It is.
• 34:28
  I mean, it matches tea.
• 34:30
  Some say it.
• 34:32
  But yeah, so like intrusive thoughts are a thing.
• 34:35
  And I don't think I'm being possessed.
• 34:37
  I don't know, maybe I am.
• 34:38
  Do you guys think I'm possessed right now?
• 34:41
  I tend to think no, but yeah, I mean, I don't know what kind of.
• 34:45
  Thoughts he was having, probably, I don't know, self-harm is pretty typical.
• 34:50
  Well, where they thought or because it makes us, I don't know, I'm getting like kind of
• 34:55
  two different pictures where it's like, is this something that he was sort of visualizing
• 35:03
  as like actually happening as he was experiencing sleep paralysis?
• 35:09
  Or does it sound more like this is just an intrusive thought that he had when he had sleep
• 35:16
  paralysis?
• 35:17
  Those were different.
• 35:18
  So I don't think he was having sleep paralysis at this point.
• 35:21
  Maybe he was.
• 35:22
  So it's just kind of two horrifying things that are running in tandem.
• 35:28
  They're not necessarily happening in the same moment.
• 35:32
  Maybe he was having sleep paralysis because it did say he was feeling things like grabbing
• 35:36
  and clawing at his toes and then had a vision and a horrible thought.
• 35:41
  I don't think he was like, yeah, he wasn't like seeing what was happening to him.
• 35:44
  I think it was something else either like self-harm, maybe harming his family, harming
• 35:49
  other people.
• 35:50
  I don't know because that's pretty common.
• 35:52
  I actually kind of think that's worse.
• 35:55
  It's so bad.
• 35:56
  It's kind of scary.
• 35:57
  Yeah.
• 35:58
  I would be really scared if I was having thoughts like that.
• 36:01
  I mean, I've had like self-harm thoughts and.
• 36:04
  I feel like sometimes your brain just goes like, hey, one, five, let me think about a razor
• 36:09
  blade.
• 36:10
  But for why?
• 36:11
  What if I hit razor blades and all my family's food and watch them bite it?
• 36:16
  Yeah, just really terrifying.
• 36:18
  Very horrible.
• 36:19
  And you do feel like where did that come from?
• 36:25
  And you could be scared like maybe that you would act something out and not have control
• 36:29
  over it.
• 36:30
  That would be really scary.
• 36:31
  I feel really bad for Stan.
• 36:32
  Yeah.
• 36:33
  I feel like this is scary stuff.
• 36:34
  Anyway, so apparently these disturbing and trusive visions and thoughts cause Stan to
• 36:39
  seek help from the church.
• 36:42
  He was turned down by all of the other places that he went to.
• 36:46
  I don't really know.
• 36:47
  I don't really know exactly where he went, but he was turned down until Bishop Cloud said,
• 36:53
  not today, Satan, probably literally just like that.
• 36:58
  Because we rose all day.
• 37:02
  Jesus blood all day.
• 37:04
  Dude, this is the blood of Christ.
• 37:07
  The power of Christ compels you.
• 37:09
  What is that called?
• 37:10
  The sacraments?
• 37:11
  Communion.
• 37:12
  Is that the same thing?
• 37:13
  Yeah, I think that's the holy sacraments.
• 37:15
  We need the body.
• 37:16
  We need some bread up in this bitch.
• 37:17
  You got some garlic bread?
• 37:18
  I have breads that could be made garlicy.
• 37:22
  Oh, I do have those garlic boats.
• 37:24
  Let's eat garlic Jesus.
• 37:27
  Listen.
• 37:29
  I don't know who's making who better, but that's a winning combo.
• 37:35
  I think so.
• 37:36
  Yeah.
• 37:37
  We should alert the pagans for Jesus club.
• 37:40
  Oh, okay.
• 37:41
  Is that a thing?
• 37:42
  Yeah.
• 37:43
  Don't you remember?
• 37:44
  That was from when we did an episode with Matt and Andrea.
• 37:48
  Oh, they didn't just bring make that up.
• 37:51
  Andrea.
• 37:52
  No, that was like when we were recording and they were talking about how they grew up
• 37:56
  very religious and they're both obviously super witchy.
• 38:00
  And we were like, oh, it just like I don't know.
• 38:03
  Pagans for Jesus.
• 38:05
  They're from.
• 38:06
  Am I Right, witches.
• 38:07
  Yes, which which which which I love.
• 38:11
  Yeah.
• 38:12
  Um, okay.
• 38:13
  I got distracted by Jesus.
• 38:16
  So they're going to Stan's house to do this exorcism.
• 38:23
  And Bishop Cloud starts by walking through the house and assessing the situation.
• 38:28
  Alrighty.
• 38:29
  Ask in the stitch, if you will.
• 38:33
  Sorry.
• 38:34
  I didn't even write that down.
• 38:38
  I just came out of my head.
• 38:39
  Yeah.
• 38:40
  Yeah.
• 38:41
  No, I mean, I see how you got there.
• 38:43
  So we asked in the fog out of this stitch.
• 38:46
  Yeah.
• 38:47
  I'm like in the movies, the supposed demon reveals his name pretty fast.
• 38:52
  Oh, that's like one of the big things for exorcisms to work as like you need to know to
• 38:57
  know their name.
• 38:58
  Their name.
• 38:59
  I was going to say that's like there's something about that.
• 39:02
  Right.
• 39:03
  I was like, it's deep in the lore.
• 39:05
  I can't bring it to the forefront in my mind, but I know the name is important.
• 39:08
  Yeah.
• 39:09
  I think just so you can tell it to leave like instead of saying, hey, you get out of
• 39:13
  here.
• 39:14
  You say, hey, get out of here.
• 39:16
  So he's just asking out loud.
• 39:18
  Actually, he's kind of more like demanding the demon tell him his name, tell him its name.
• 39:24
  I don't know.
• 39:25
  The demons probably don't have a gender or whatever.
• 39:27
  Yeah.
• 39:28
  So at first it says Zozo, which is a demon that is pretty much everybody knows and it comes
• 39:37
  up a lot in Ouija board stories.
• 39:39
  Okay.
• 39:40
  I was going to say, I feel like I've heard of this.
• 39:42
  Yeah.
• 39:43
  I feel like it’s either Zozo or Zuzu.
• 39:44
  Yeah.
• 39:45
  The Z's man.
• 39:48
  But he immediately sees through this deception and the demon is like, all right, you caught
• 39:54
  me.
• 39:55
  I'm Jariel.
• 39:56
  Jariel.
• 39:57
  Jariel.
• 39:58
  Jariel.
• 39:59
  Jariel.
• 40:00
  How's this spelled?
• 40:01
  J-A-R-I-E-L.
• 40:02
  Jariel.
• 40:03
  Jariel.
• 40:04
  Jariel.
• 40:05
  Jariel.
• 40:06
  Jariel.
• 40:07
  Yeah.
• 40:08
  One of those.
• 40:09
  Now, Cloud says this is an angel name because it ends in E L.
• 40:12
  Okay.
• 40:13
  Like, he says all angels end in E L, which is, that's not like entirely true, but a lot of
• 40:20
  them do.
• 40:21
  Give you that many options, either.
• 40:23
  That really, that really like narrows the naming pool.
• 40:28
  There's a pretty, there's a pretty decent amount of angels that end in E L, but there's also
• 40:33
  a lot that don't want off the top of my head, Lucifer, who was an angel.
• 40:41
  Yeah.
• 40:42
  Didn't end in E L.
• 40:43
  Wait, did they make him change his name?
• 40:45
  That's what I thought, but Google said no.
• 40:47
  No.
• 40:48
  Okay.
• 40:49
  I was going to say, I think he was always Lucifer.
• 40:51
  Yeah.
• 40:52
  Just to see, you know, that there are angels that don't end in E L, but I guess it's if you're
• 40:57
  in this situation and a demon is telling you, I'm Jariel or Jariel, you might just, like,
• 41:04
  maybe this is an angel because it does end in E L and that's pretty typical.
• 41:08
  Okay.
• 41:09
  I didn't search for this name in a bunch of lists of the angels and I didn't find it anywhere
• 41:14
  in any of the lists and okay.
• 41:16
  So he's just boldly stating that based on the spell.
• 41:19
  I mean, it could be an unlisted, yeah, it could be an unlisted angel.
• 41:22
  I don't know.
• 41:23
  Maybe he's an unlisted.
• 41:24
  He's not in the yellow pages.
• 41:25
  I don't know.
• 41:26
  Yeah.
• 41:27
  Toads, but I did find the name and its origins are Hebrew and or Spanish.
• 41:32
  It means God's strength or God's sees.
• 41:36
  Seas as in like the ocean.
• 41:38
  Like Sees candy.
• 41:39
  Like sees with your eyes.
• 41:40
  I was going to say I feel like it's important to clarify.
• 41:44
  I don't know.
• 41:46
  Maybe there are people that aren't familiar with Sees candies, but sees as in like he sees.
• 41:51
  So my first thought after looking this up and I'm like, that sounds like a demon like taunting
• 41:56
  you.
• 41:57
  Like because you're trying to use like God's strength to get it out.
• 42:00
  Yeah.
• 42:01
  You're trying to like see who it is through, you know, your prayers and all your God's
• 42:05
  stuff.
• 42:06
  It sounds like a taunt to me.
• 42:07
  Like why would he just immediately believe the second name he was given?
• 42:12
  Yeah.
• 42:13
  That seems odd.
• 42:14
  Yeah.
• 42:15
  I feel like that's a little too trusting.
• 42:16
  Like, oh, I mean, I'm just an angel.
• 42:18
  I'm not a demon.
• 42:19
  Yeah.
• 42:20
  Yeah.
• 42:21
  Okay.
• 42:22
  You got me.
• 42:23
  I'm actually in danger.
• 42:24
  Right.
• 42:25
  So I just like really got into this demon's head and just like wanted to figure out, figure
• 42:30
  this out for whatever reason.
• 42:31
  Yeah.
• 42:32
  So I don't know.
• 42:33
  Maybe there's like this rule.
• 42:34
  I don't know about where demons can't lie twice in a row.
• 42:36
  I don't know.
• 42:37
  Oh, or like third time's the charm.
• 42:39
  Maybe twice and then third time he tells you his real name.
• 42:42
  Yeah.
• 42:43
  I don't know.
• 42:44
  Bishop didn't know that.
• 42:45
  So he didn't ask the third time.
• 42:46
  Did I ask the third time?
• 42:47
  I don't know.
• 42:48
  I don't know if he did as far as what I read.
• 42:50
  It sounded like he just believed it was.
• 42:53
  Okay.
• 42:54
  Jariol was his name.
• 42:55
  Super trusting of the guy.
• 42:56
  Yeah.
• 42:57
  I don't know.
• 42:59
  It's not the move I'd make, but whatever.
• 43:02
  Next, "Cloudy the Bish," he moves on to the backyard.
• 43:07
  All right.
• 43:09
  And you'll never guess what he finds in the backyard.
• 43:14
  Lots of spiders?
• 43:15
  I mean, probably.
• 43:16
  Yeah.
• 43:17
  But I don't know.
• 43:18
  We could probably, let's try it.
• 43:19
  Let's see it all together on the count of three.
• 43:23
  One, two, three.
• 43:26
  Native American burial ground.
• 43:28
  Oh, yeah.
• 43:30
  That makes total sense.
• 43:31
  I was just so worried about the spiders.
• 43:33
  That was really all I could think about.
• 43:35
  Did the demons spiders?
• 43:36
  Oh, God.
• 43:37
  Okay.
• 43:38
  New feral locked.
• 43:39
  Thank you.
• 43:40
  Awesome.
• 43:41
  Great.
• 43:42
  But like, which at this point, this is so overdone and it literally gets mentioned.
• 43:47
  I feel like in everything.
• 43:49
  Yeah.
• 43:50
  But he says he does see the operation of an indigenous woman.
• 43:54
  Okay.
• 43:55
  I don't know how that translates into this as an burial ground.
• 44:01
  But who knows?
• 44:02
  That's interesting.
• 44:03
  I could have just lived there or find any artifacts or like as something else in his vision
• 44:10
  that indicates that.
• 44:11
  I guess just a feeling or maybe.
• 44:14
  I mean, listen, it's stereotype.
• 44:17
  It is completely plausible that there are that many and more indigenous people that are
• 44:25
  a little bit pissed off about, you know, right?
• 44:30
  Yeah.
• 44:31
  I have a whole thing on this.
• 44:32
  What did they call it?
• 44:33
  Like the white crotch or something where we basically just started to like take over.
• 44:38
  Like, Lucas.
• 44:39
  Everything.
• 44:40
  Yeah.
• 44:41
  I mean, I'm also guilty of it sometimes too.
• 44:42
  Like I like to look into the history of the land and obviously it does always go back
• 44:47
  to the people who lived here before.
• 44:50
  Yeah.
• 44:51
  And I can totally see both sides.
• 44:53
  Like if you're feeling really guilty about the past and you think you're desecrating
• 44:57
  these sacred grounds.
• 44:59
  Yeah.
• 45:00
  Yeah.
• 45:01
  It's reasonable to think that something would be pissed off from the beyond.
• 45:04
  Right.
• 45:05
  Or maybe less or left some sort of energy behind.
• 45:08
  Let's try to protect the land.
• 45:10
  Kind of like we saw in like the crater lake with the old man.
• 45:13
  Like we think it's kind of like a protective spirit.
• 45:16
  Yeah.
• 45:17
  But like if you don't have any verification of that, then that seems where you tokenize.
• 45:22
  Yeah.
• 45:23
  You just mentioned it.
• 45:24
  Like, hey, this is probably a thing.
• 45:26
  Yeah.
• 45:27
  It's also harmful to always be associating Native American or indigenous people with evil.
• 45:32
  Right.
• 45:33
  Right.
• 45:34
  That's exactly.
• 45:35
  Yeah.
• 45:36
  Yeah.
• 45:37
  And that's like the first, it's like the first couple of things that pop in your head as
• 45:43
  like a possible reason.
• 45:45
  And he might have totally picked up on the energy of like the woman who might have lived
• 45:50
  there way before stand.
• 45:51
  But that doesn't mean she or any of the people are causing this.
• 45:55
  These possessions are doing anything evil.
• 45:57
  Yeah.
• 45:58
  I feel like maybe we just don't assume that the white guy of a completely different, I
• 46:08
  mean, obviously a different ethnic and social, cultural and religious background that like
• 46:15
  he knows.
• 46:16
  Yeah.
• 46:17
  Maybe maybe we ask for like a second opinion.
• 46:19
  Yeah.
• 46:20
  Because I mean, they're coming to get, they're coming to get the demons.
• 46:26
  Oh, you got to call demon busters.
• 46:29
  I'm one one.
• 46:30
  Please call me.
• 46:31
  I don't call this a plan of maybe she is there like trying to help or being like protective
• 46:38
  overstand or something.
• 46:39
  But I guess I don't know.
• 46:41
  It also comes down to feeling too.
• 46:42
  So I guess if he was having a feeling about it.
• 46:45
  Yeah.
• 46:46
  That's hard.
• 46:47
  It's hard to say that someone is right or wrong.
• 46:50
  So I'm trying to just see both sides of it and explain why it's kind of harmful to always
• 46:57
  talk about that.
• 46:58
  Yeah.
• 46:59
  I mean, I feel like the difference is if there's actually any basis in fact, or are we just
• 47:06
  assuming if you're finding artifacts, if you're digging up bones like, okay, yeah, maybe
• 47:11
  that could start up some shit.
• 47:12
  But I guess I don't know.
• 47:14
  Maybe have we learned nothing from blindly trusting white men of a certain age?
• 47:21
  Apparently not.
• 47:22
  Apparently not.
• 47:23
  I'm just saying like be open to a different idea.
• 47:27
  Yeah.
• 47:28
  Please.
• 47:29
  Well, as we go on, we have one more possible source for all of this.
• 47:32
  Stance daughter.
• 47:33
  Da, da, da, da.
• 47:34
  Blame it on the woman.
• 47:36
  Is it like an inheritance situation though?
• 47:40
  Because then I feel like they really buried the lead.
• 47:43
  Inheritance.
• 47:44
  Yeah, like is she trying to kill him?
• 47:46
  Oh, no, no, no, no.
• 47:47
  Not like that.
• 47:48
  Okay.
• 47:49
  I don't think she's the problem at all, but we'll go through why they think maybe.
• 47:55
  Are you sure?
• 47:56
  A woman.
• 47:57
  A woman's got to be evil.
• 48:01
  She apparently had some high school parties in the home with some Ouija board action.
• 48:06
  Oh, yeah, totally her fault.
• 48:08
  So, so her fault.
• 48:09
  Yeah, did she also smoke the devil's ligious?
• 48:12
  Oh, it's funny.
• 48:13
  I mentioned that the bishop thinks that it's definitely a doorway.
• 48:17
  The Ouija board is definitely a doorway and highly likely to let the evil in.
• 48:22
  Another thing he thinks lets the evil in is and he just boldly assumes that this was at
• 48:29
  this high school party.
• 48:31
  Drugs.
• 48:32
  Great.
• 48:33
  Yes.
• 48:34
  Which he calls sorcery.
• 48:35
  What kind of sorcery is this?
• 48:38
  Like that just makes it sound cooler, My dude.
• 48:40
  Honestly, honestly, I feel like you're not understanding the actual versus intended.
• 48:50
  Right.
• 48:51
  Yeah.
• 48:52
  Of course, if you're in high school, if you're at a party doing a Ouija board, that must
• 48:56
  mean you're on drugs.
• 48:58
  Ouija board and weed.
• 48:59
  Yeah, totally.
• 49:00
  It all just goes together.
• 49:03
  There was no questioning it.
• 49:04
  It was just assumed it sounded like.
• 49:06
  All right.
• 49:07
  Cool.
• 49:08
  This means now since Stan's daughter deblled, she would have to renounce all occult practices.
• 49:16
  And if she doesn't, it will probably just come back.
• 49:19
  The exorcism won't work.
• 49:20
  All right.
• 49:21
  So we're putting it all on the not little girl she's, I think in college, but like an adult
• 49:27
  as a woman.
• 49:28
  Yeah.
• 49:29
  Okay.
• 49:30
  It's all on her now.
• 49:31
  So we don't ever have to worry about him hearing this episode and having thoughts or
• 49:36
  feelings about it because I mean, clearly they'd have to swear off, you know, a podcast
• 49:42
  where they would be tarot cards.
• 49:45
  Oh, yo, we'll get there.
• 49:47
  We will get there.
• 49:48
  Oh my God.
• 49:49
  So I have a picture.
• 49:51
  I'm going to just air drop T wrong quack.
• 49:54
  Wrong quack.
• 49:55
  This is cloud going around the house with his giant "Christ on a cross."
• 50:00
  Okay.
• 50:02
  And he does this "in the name of Jesus" stuff while he's smoke cleansing, using the rosary
• 50:08
  beads and consecrated oils.
• 50:11
  I also have to read you this quote about his crucifix that you're looking at right now.
• 50:17
  Yeah.
• 50:18
  Yep.
• 50:19
  So this is the quote of why he has this particular really, really big crucifix that wouldn't even
• 50:25
  fit in Caitlyn's hand.
• 50:27
  No, it wouldn't.
• 50:28
  So "because I'm a hefty boy and I like a little heftiness, I like to get it on."
• 50:34
  Okay.
• 50:35
  Yeah.
• 50:36
  So that quote makes a lot more sense now that I've seen him.
• 50:42
  He looks pretty much exactly like what I was the picture I was building in my mind.
• 50:51
  And my hair matches his shirt.
• 50:52
  That's why I dyed my hair today.
• 50:54
  A little bit.
• 50:55
  A little bit.
• 50:56
  A little bit.
• 50:57
  A little bit.
• 50:58
  A little bit.
• 50:59
  A little bit.
• 51:00
  I'm not going to lie.
• 51:01
  God.
• 51:02
  I'm a hefty boy.
• 51:03
  I need a hefty “Christ on a cross."
• 51:05
  Okay.
• 51:06
  Okay.
• 51:07
  Not sure why we're talking about that, but then, you know, here we are.
• 51:27
  I feel like he just thinks it just like gives him more power in his conviction or whatever.
• 51:33
  Yeah.
• 51:34
  No, I mean, he's canaling.
• 51:37
  Carry a big stick.
• 51:39
  Wow.
• 51:40
  Wow, wow, wow.
• 51:41
  It's to get all the big demons out.
• 51:43
  All the better to get the demons out.
• 51:46
  Really the only action from this exorcism is the bishop felt his foot get grabbed at one
• 51:51
  point.
• 51:52
  So there's a lot of like maybe this demon does have a foot fetish.
• 51:55
  There's a lot of like foot.
• 51:56
  Yeah.
• 51:57
  I feel like it's foot fetish.
• 51:58
  Or maybe like a little like a really small demon and all it can reach is the feet.
• 52:03
  That could be.
• 52:04
  That could be.
• 52:05
  I feel like it's more salacious if we think of it as a foot fetish demon.
• 52:10
  Just like that.
• 52:11
  I'm willing to entertain either.
• 52:14
  I'm picturing it like when the Grinch like slithers around the floor.
• 52:18
  Yes.
• 52:19
  Yes.
• 52:20
  Yes.
• 52:21
  A thousand percent.
• 52:22
  A thousand percent.
• 52:23
  Oh, and the other action actionable thing that happened was Bishop Cloud got a little
• 52:30
  possessed himself by the Lord speaking in tongues.
• 52:34
  Well I don't understand.
• 52:35
  I guess because you're being possessed by the Lord.
• 52:37
  It's okay.
• 52:38
  I don't understand the difference.
• 52:41
  I really don't.
• 52:42
  I think I have never and probably will never understand the the speaking in tongues.
• 52:48
  Me anything.
• 52:49
  It's scary to witness.
• 52:51
  I've witnessed it.
• 52:52
  Yeah.
• 52:53
  So like if it if the Lord let's entertain this for a moment.
• 52:57
  If the Lord was going to possess you, he knows allegedly all of the words.
• 53:04
  Right.
• 53:05
  He might even have all of the best words and he sends out of your mouth.
• 53:12
  I guess so.
• 53:13
  Is it the Lord possessing you?
• 53:15
  Is that why it happens?
• 53:16
  I really don't know.
• 53:17
  I was kind of just like pulling that on on my butt.
• 53:19
  Oh, that sounds right.
• 53:22
  It sounds right to me.
• 53:23
  You can Google it.
• 53:24
  Okay.
• 53:25
  I don't know that it necessarily outright says that I would think that's one interpretation.
• 53:32
  Okay.
• 53:33
  That you're being possessed.
• 53:34
  So I'm not totally off.
• 53:35
  No, I don't think so.
• 53:36
  I don't think so.
• 53:38
  So speaking in tongues also known as Glossolalia is a practice where someone others speech
• 53:46
  like sounds.
• 53:49
  Take that in for a moment.
• 53:50
  Speech like sounds.
• 53:52
  So this is all toddlers.
• 53:54
  Okay.
• 53:55
  Or words that are believed to be a language unknown to the speaker.
• 54:00
  It is a spiritual gift that some Christians believe is given by the Holy Spirit.
• 54:05
  All right.
• 54:06
  I don't know.
• 54:07
  I'm not trying to yuck anybody's yom.
• 54:09
  No.
• 54:10
  That one's not mine.
• 54:12
  It's nope.
• 54:15
  If it's your yom and you've made it this far and you're listening to us, then that
• 54:19
  means your mind is pretty open and cool.
• 54:21
  I feel like we are too.
• 54:22
  So if you want to explain it to us, I would love that.
• 54:26
  Yeah.
• 54:27
  We have an email, pnwhauntsandhomicides@gmail.com.
• 54:31
  Yeah.
• 54:32
  Types will email.
• 54:33
  And I mean, I grew up religious and I feel like, you know, I've had experiences that have
• 54:38
  given me a sense of, you know, having faith, maybe not in the form of fashion that a traditional
• 54:45
  religion probably sort of dictates, but, you know, I think it's a tool.
• 54:51
  I think so too.
• 54:52
  I think so too.
• 54:53
  I think so too.
• 54:54
  I think so too.
• 54:55
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• 55:00
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• 55:01
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• 55:03
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• 55:07
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• 55:08
  I think so too.
• 55:09
  I think so too.
• 55:10
  I think so too.
• 55:11
  Yeah.
• 55:12
  I've gotten a church too.
• 55:13
  feel stuff. But yeah. It just wasn't for me. Yeah. And I mean, as a kid, I've attended, you know,
• 55:20
  different churches and in different places over time. There is a difference in the energy too, so,
• 55:27
  I do feel like there are plenty of people who probably don't experience a religious atmosphere,
• 55:35
  or, you know, event in the same way that, you know, somebody else might. Yeah. They don't,
• 55:41
  they just have had a totally different experience because of, you know, who they're surrounded by. Yeah.
• 55:47
  Hopefully, really awesome cool hope so. Yeah. I don't know. That's not always the case. Yeah.
• 55:54
  What are you gonna do? Yeah. We're all different. We all believe different things. I'm not here to
• 55:58
  tell you that you're wrong and try to get you on my side other than tell you what I think. And
• 56:03
  if it resonates with you, cool, if it doesn't, cool. I don't think there's an issue with, I mean,
• 56:09
  really almost any spiritual belief until it becomes what I have to impose this on anybody. Exactly.
• 56:18
  You know, if this starts to impact anybody else's safety, mental health, general physical well-being,
• 56:26
  whatever the case may be, that's when it becomes an issue for me. If you're trying to tell me,
• 56:31
  I'm evil for the things that I do that I don't think are evil. Yeah. Red. So speaks in tongues,
• 56:38
  he gets a little touched. But at the end, now he's got his big old meaty mitts on Stan's head
• 56:46
  and he renounces all of the occult fun. Okay. And that's it. We don't really, I don't really know if it
• 56:55
  worked for Stan probably not because I highly doubt his daughter. I don't know. I mean, I don't know
• 57:00
  his daughter. Maybe she did come home and renounce all of the evil stuff. Yeah. I don't know if it worked
• 57:08
  or not. That's how it went down. This is Bishop Cloud site. It is paranormal research investigators
• 57:15
  of St. Michael and it's called prism. There's a quote on his site, we will never use Ouija, tarot,
• 57:22
  shamanism, crystals, wica, or any other occult practice. These are just some of the many ways in which
• 57:29
  the enemy gains a foothold in a person's life and then expands its domain into their relationship
• 57:35
  finances and spiritual life finances. Yeah. That's an interesting assertion given us. So, wow.
• 57:45
  That was one of the things is like if you're being in that oppression stage, like it can affect
• 57:52
  you like going to work and stuff. So I think that's like kind of part of it. Oh, see, I'm looking bigger
• 57:58
  than that because I'm like, Oh, interesting, you know, financial like having a 501c3 or other exemption
• 58:05
  for tax purposes, giving a certain percentage of your income. Right. And I don't know if they do
• 58:13
  that at his church. I have no idea. It's kind of a big church thing. Yeah. Yeah. I know. Yeah. But like
• 58:20
  reading this list, I'm like, where fucked? Also, they're scared of rocks from the earth,
• 58:27
  bringing demons. Listen, they're rocks. These are the same people that I feel like are saying
• 58:34
  God made dirt, dirt won't hurt. God made rocks. What's wrong with the rocks? The rocks did nothing
• 58:39
  to you. Yeah. He's using this cross, which is metal, right? Which is like, is that like a rock?
• 58:47
  I don't know. I mean, metals like from the earth, right? Right. I mean, it's like a mineral or whatever.
• 58:53
  I don't know. Yeah. I mean, they're they're forged from, you know, different elements that are found
• 58:59
  present in, I mean, a number of different ways like it, whether it's in soil or it's
• 59:06
  mind from other like rock sources or. But you're using that as like a symbol of protection or whatever.
• 59:13
  That's the same thing we do with crystals. If you're he's smoke cleansing.
• 59:18
  Where do you think that came from? Definitely not the pagans and like all of the other indigenous cultures.
• 59:24
  Like, yeah, it seems like throughout time, throughout history and cultural practices. There is a very
• 59:35
  strong current of like certain things, elements, our view as like in a very similar way. So all of us
• 59:47
  humans independently on totally separate corners of this earth have decided that like this smoke
• 59:54
  stuff, we can like, it does something like. Yeah, it obviously does because we all the well, not all of us,
• 1:00:01
  but a lot of us believe that it does. It's just, but no, you're right. This one way that some people
• 1:00:08
  choose to use the smoke. That's bad. Yeah. But theirs is like totally fine. Yours is fine though.
• 1:00:13
  And yeah, I don't it just see. You just don't understand. So now like I said before, I don't, I really
• 1:00:21
  don't want to make light of stand situation. And I do think what he experienced is really scary.
• 1:00:27
  And I'm glad he was attempting to get some help for it. I really don't know just based off the
• 1:00:33
  information in the article. I'm sure they didn't really share everything. Yeah. But I don't know how
• 1:00:40
  Bishop Cloud determined that stands sleep paralysis and intrusive thoughts were not a mental health
• 1:00:47
  issue. Yes. And that's it kind of goes back to like the concerns that I was sharing sort of at the
• 1:00:54
  top. Like I think you have to exhaust all of those like physical medical other rational explanation
• 1:01:03
  before we just sort of start poking around in the spiritual. Exactly. Like I think maybe he should
• 1:01:09
  have, I don't know, if Stan visited like therapist or anything like that. I really think that's
• 1:01:15
  important and important thing to do first. I mean, it could be mental health. Hell, honestly,
• 1:01:20
  the reason why I say like physical, it's not just a matter of mental health. You could literally
• 1:01:25
  have a brain tumor. Like those are your regular doctor. Or you could have like mold in your house
• 1:01:30
  or some sort of electric like the EMF things like those can really fuck with you. Yeah. I know you
• 1:01:36
  think of like the EMF readers detecting ghosts. But like if the EMFs are really, really high that
• 1:01:42
  the electromagnetic fields and those can like make you hallucinate, make you feel like weird. And
• 1:01:48
  yeah. So I don't know. I feel like they're just needed. I don't know if there was more investigation done
• 1:01:53
  prior to this. But I feel like that that's really necessary to do. Especially go see a like a real
• 1:01:59
  therapist first, like get some mental health stuff checked first before you try to get an exorcism
• 1:02:06
  of things. They're still wrong. Like then maybe, okay, then maybe try try anything you can. But I
• 1:02:12
  don't know. I think that's a really important thing to do. I mean, hey, listen, I'll try anything once.
• 1:02:17
  You only owe low once. Can I have any more? Maybe. At one point, I really did think we were going to
• 1:02:27
  need one in the old department. Oh, yeah. And now I feel like we were at step two. We just we were in
• 1:02:32
  place. Yeah. Because I was having horrific dreams. And I was feeling very sick and having a lot of
• 1:02:40
  issues with my sleep. Dude, you were about to get possessed. I yeah, it kind of feels a
• 1:02:46
  little bit. Maybe. But you know, we we did everything that seemed reasonable aside from inviting a
• 1:02:55
  random religious leader into our home. And we do terror all the time. So, you know, we're just asking
• 1:03:02
  for it. Yeah. What was she wearing? Exactly. But anyway, I like I hope it worked out for Stan. I hope
• 1:03:10
  his problems were solved in whatever way. If it was the exorcism, if he got different help after
• 1:03:15
  words, I hope everything's okay in that situation, especially for the daughter. Yeah. Yeah. So I
• 1:03:21
  hope everyone involved. Yeah. Hope that's all that's all. There is a video news story of Bishop Cloud
• 1:03:31
  doing another exorcism on a man in golden Oregon. Oh boy. Okay. And this is a notoriously haunted
• 1:03:38
  place. Mm. Our Lord and Savior, Zach Begglebytes went there and got the ship possessed out of him.
• 1:03:46
  Yeah, it's like a really like a haunted like little ghost town type of thing.
• 1:03:49
  Oh, okay. Golden Oregon. Yeah. And it was on ghost adventures. So they have a if you're interested
• 1:03:55
  in the sources, they have a video of him. You could see him in his purple shirt smoking a cigar
• 1:04:00
  doing his thing. Okay. There's one more exorcism I would like to talk to y'all about. All right.
• 1:04:10
  Following the Portland Black Lives Matter protests in 2020, Archbishop Alexander Sample
• 1:04:16
  conducted an exorcism on the city streets. So he is Roman Catholic and is associated with the
• 1:04:26
  big Papa Pope Church. Yeah. I wonder for how long. No, this is like this is legit. This is the
• 1:04:32
  legit one. No, I know. I'm saying if he's doing exorcisms on the street, I wonder how long
• 1:04:39
  he's doing. No, the exorcism was legit. That's what I'm saying. Like this was all this was all done.
• 1:04:43
  This was good. This was a good permission. Okay. All right. I'm going to tell you about it. Okay.
• 1:04:50
  So the reason for this was not to like exercise any demons from any people. Okay. It was just to
• 1:04:58
  get rid of any negativity left behind from the demonstrations. Oh, interesting. Okay. Sample explains
• 1:05:07
  quote, we all know there's been a lot of unrest side by side with those legitimate and righteous
• 1:05:12
  and wonderful demonstrations. We've seen this violence that has also erupted and maybe distracted
• 1:05:19
  somewhat from the real issues of racial injustice. So he's just he's just doing like a clenching. Yeah.
• 1:05:28
  He's like she's seen some things. Yeah. She needs like a spa day. Yeah. It was really just to clear it
• 1:05:35
  of any negativity to like hope that in the future that things will be better and there's just no lingering
• 1:05:42
  bad energy in the streets of Portland, Oregon. Interesting. Where there was a lot of energy. Lots of
• 1:05:51
  in 2020. Yeah. There was like what was it like four months or something of like protest. I
• 1:05:57
  I think it went on a bit longer than that. I think this article said like about four months. They
• 1:06:03
  did it in October, I think. I think I mean, there are certain time periods where it was like at peak.
• 1:06:11
  But then there have been, you know, some sporadic demonstrations that occurred for I mean,
• 1:06:17
  it felt like that almost never went away fully. Yeah. Well, that year was 10 years long. So
• 1:06:24
  I say it all the time. 2020. The longest decade ever. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I think this one was
• 1:06:33
  this is kind of like how exorcism should be. Just like a like a nice thing to do for people,
• 1:06:39
  not really trying to. Yeah. It was poised to really be unhappy and uncomfortable. So I ended it
• 1:06:48
  on a good note for you. Yeah. Not all exorcisms are because of Ouija boards. No, I mean, that was good.
• 1:06:54
  Yeah. Well, that was all I had. But then like going through this, I remembered something that
• 1:06:59
  happened to me while I was house sitting. And I'm watching dogs. So like we took the dogs out, we,
• 1:07:04
  it was just me. Okay. I met we the dogs and I went outside. Got it. Yeah. So they went potty. It's
• 1:07:10
  like 10 o'clock at night. It's dark. Nothing's going on. We come back inside. I close the door.
• 1:07:16
  And I lock it. And they have like a bell on the door for the dog to, you know, jingle jungle. Okay.
• 1:07:22
  I need a potty genius. So I was walking away. I swear the dogs were like here, like next to me,
• 1:07:30
  like grabbing toys doing that. They were all excited because they went pee and they came back in the
• 1:07:34
  house. You know, we were like the door. Well, I guess people can't release the I was probably like 10
• 1:07:40
  feet away from the door. Like door is here. I'm like here. Okay. With the dogs. And also,
• 1:07:46
  I hear this like bang. And it sounded like someone took both of their hands and went bang on the front
• 1:07:54
  door and the bells jingled. And I was like, I turned and look and the dogs weren't over there.
• 1:08:03
  They were still running around. And I was like that couldn't have been like, because one of them's
• 1:08:08
  a great Dan and he's big. So I'm like, okay, I can ran into the door like maybe. Yeah. But he
• 1:08:13
  wasn't even over there. And so I told a person whose house it was. And she was like, well, birds like
• 1:08:21
  flying to the door sometimes. I'm like, I'm gonna say it is a very lazy Amazon delivery. Right.
• 1:08:29
  They just like threw it at the door. Right. But the camera didn't go off. Nothing was at the door.
• 1:08:33
  It was 10 o'clock at night. Who would be delivering a package? Birds aren't flying around at 10 o'clock.
• 1:08:38
  It could have been a bat, I guess. But like the sound I've heard. I've heard the birds. They hit the windows a
• 1:08:45
  lot. And I think they have hit the door before. But it just that's a much more like the sound of that
• 1:08:52
  is so slight compared to a full-sized human putting both of their hands. And I don't know. That's
• 1:08:57
  exactly what it sounded like is something someone threw something heavy at the door or if it was like
• 1:09:01
  their two hands. And that's the immediate thought I had was like someone with their two hands.
• 1:09:08
  Hitting the door. It was so weird. And I really don't know how to explain it. I mean, I guess I could have
• 1:09:14
  been like a bat or something that just like flew away after. It didn't, I don't know. Bat seems too small
• 1:09:21
  to move. It's too nervous. I know. And I was thinking there is someone who lives downstairs. So it could have
• 1:09:28
  been him slamming a door. But I've it just the way that it happened. The house is really big.
• 1:09:36
  If someone's downstairs slamming a door, it's not going to jiggle the door upstairs and like make the
• 1:09:41
  bells. You might hear it. But but the vibration. Like the bells came off the door and like smacked the door.
• 1:09:48
  Like it didn't just jingle it. Like it sounded like it came off the door and like smacked it. Yeah.
• 1:09:53
  Like very forceful. Not like hard. But just yeah. Just as if someone had hit the door just enough to
• 1:09:59
  where the bells kind of went off the door and back. Yeah. She doesn't think it was anything. But she
• 1:10:05
  doesn't believe in any of the stuff. She has told me someone has died on the property again, old woman.
• 1:10:11
  But she's like and I'm like, what if it's on and she's like, it's not fucking haunted. But I mean, I don't know what
• 1:10:17
  I mean, that's what I would tell myself if I lived there too. Why would an old woman be banging on the door
• 1:10:23
  with that force? Because she's like, I cannot believe this door is locked. When I lived here, we left all
• 1:10:29
  of the doors unlocked. Maybe. I mean that she didn't live in the house. It's just on the property because
• 1:10:36
  the house is new. Okay. I don't know. Maybe she's pissed because she's like, I'm more of a cab person.
• 1:10:42
  Yeah. But I mean, I got scared for like a second, but I was like, I can't like, I mean, I'm not going to let
• 1:10:51
  things scare me because then it's just going to get worse, you know? Yeah. I do think it feeds off
• 1:10:57
  the energy is certain amount. So I just say, no, thank you. Okay. And I go to bed and we don't go outside
• 1:11:03
  the rest of the night. Cam and I got to bed now. So good night, everyone. The other thought I had was
• 1:11:09
  like, what if it was like a, because there's wild animals all around. So what if like something followed
• 1:11:14
  us back to the door, but like the camera didn't, the ring didn't go off. Yeah. So. Which does make me think,
• 1:11:20
  okay, well, at least it seems reasonable to unless you're presented with new or additional evidence,
• 1:11:28
  at least there's no physical threat. Yeah. Currently. Hopefully. Yeah. Okay. I mean, nothing happened,
• 1:11:35
  I guess. I think I'm fine. I'm probably going to wear a hole through this. This is a tire time.
• 1:11:45
  It's just been spinning like a top. I wish I wish I had something as I'm, I do. I do. You have an emotional
• 1:11:52
  support. Stuffy. My mommy got this for me for Christmas. Very cute. She knows me really well. Yeah.
• 1:12:00
  Is that a squish? Yeah. Yeah. Squishmellow. Yeah. I love it. It's like, I can't really tell if it's
• 1:12:07
  like a bat devil or if it's like a demon or I feel like it's like a little bat devil. Like a bat?
• 1:12:13
  Like a mischievous bat devil. You know what I mean? I also have one of these that's a bat that's a
• 1:12:18
  mushroom. Adorable. That's cute. I know. So you have like a thing for mushrooms. Mushrooms and bats.
• 1:12:25
  Interesting. What can I say? Okay. On that note, should we do some tarot? Oh yeah! Tarot!
• 1:12:30
  I brought my beetle juice deck for this because I thought it was appropriate.
• 1:12:35
  Which is new. I got it for Christmas. I'm so excited. I was going to say I don't think I've seen
• 1:12:41
  that before. I looked over and I was like, hello. I just got it. It's so excited. Very exciting.
• 1:12:46
  Okay. Let's do tarot. Okay.
• 1:12:48
  Okay. Caitlyn's shuffled. I'm going to shuffle.
• 1:12:55
  They like get stuck. All the cards are new. I'm having a hard time. The cards are brand new. So she's
• 1:13:04
  having a little bit of a struggle bus situation with spreading them out. Cassie is picking a card.
• 1:13:12
  Is she gonna... I think this is the one? Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Oh, there's stock.
• 1:13:23
  Okay. Well, it was in the reverse. I'll let you vana with the rights ahead.
• 1:13:29
  My head was in the way while you were picking. I had her... I had two stuck together and I had her
• 1:13:33
  pick one. So we got the Queen of Pentacles in reverse. This is my Beetlejuice deck.
• 1:13:39
  This is one of the party goers when they had the party with the shrimp and the crab in the face and
• 1:13:47
  what's that? The banana boat song? It's not the banana boat. Wait. I can't think of any other words.
• 1:13:58
  Get the banana boat. No, we know the song. You get it. You know the Beetlejuice song. Come on.
• 1:14:06
  Okay, I'm gonna set it on the altar. Okay.
• 1:14:10
  Day-o. Day-o. Day-o. Day-o. Day-o-like. Come. I mean it's like the banana song. Yeah, a little bit.
• 1:14:19
  A little ball-bob. Okay. Me said it. Me said okay.
• 1:14:25
  Oh, my God. Something happened. Okay. Best.
• 1:14:30
  Plus my nails.
• 1:14:31
  All right, our key words are comfort, security, wealth, generosity,
• 1:14:39
  managerial ability and fertility. Okay.
• 1:14:43
  Like the King, the Queen of Pentacles often appears seated on a throne,
• 1:14:50
  wearing rich garments and a crown. Some deck show her gazing down at a pentacle in her lap,
• 1:14:56
  symbolizing fertility. Oh, interesting. It's like a pentacle and I don't know why. Like a pentagram
• 1:15:04
  is like what people think of as like one of the evil things and like, oh, there's so many demons with
• 1:15:10
  their pentagram. Uh, demons of witches. I think a pentacle is like a pentagram is like a
• 1:15:16
  pentacle upside down, right? That sounds right. We're going to go with that. I'm going with that.
• 1:15:22
  This card may represent an actual person, usually a mature woman who's intelligent,
• 1:15:31
  serious and strong. Us? Uh, possibly. Um, possibly. I'll save. Okay, I'm just going to go into the
• 1:15:42
  interpretation. Okay. In a reading about, oh, no, I almost read the upright. Okay, it's in river.
• 1:15:51
  Her eyes look so creepy. I know you can't see it right now. But like looking at the altar and
• 1:15:58
  like seeing this woman's eyes like from upside down, because I put the card upside down. It looks
• 1:16:03
  really creepy. Okay. When reversed, the Queen of Pentacles may indicate a questionable
• 1:16:12
  financial situation. We kind of did talk about that. Like we weren't really sure. What's interesting.
• 1:16:21
  Okay. Sometimes it shows a lack of understanding in money matters, mismanaging property,
• 1:16:27
  reckless spending or hoarding. Mm-hmm. NV or manipulation may exist when this card appears
• 1:16:37
  reversed. Oh, no. I mean, I was hoping there was no manipulation, but I mean, that was kind of,
• 1:16:43
  I mean, I feel like it's implied. I feel like it's there. Yeah. It can also suggest indulgence
• 1:16:50
  and laziness, or it may represent caretaker burnout. Caretaker burnout? That's, yeah. Interesting.
• 1:16:59
  Note there. Huh. I'm going to noodle on it. In a reading about money, the reversed Queen says,
• 1:17:06
  "You're not dealing with money matters in a constructive, realistic way. An investment or
• 1:17:12
  business venture may be shady or won't pay off." Oh, a shady business venture, huh? Interesting.
• 1:17:20
  Your finances may be unstable, or an advisor/partner may not be reliable.
• 1:17:29
  Hmm. If the reading is about work, you may feel insecure in your job, status and engage in questionable
• 1:17:39
  behavior to hold onto your position. I don't know. I just like questionable behavior in your job,
• 1:17:47
  just reminding me of him like getting kicked out of his church for doing exercises. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:17:53
  Sometimes this card can indicate you've sold your soul for security and feel trapped and unfulfilled
• 1:18:00
  as a result. Just the wording sold your soul. That's crazy. Yeah. How many fucking cards say that?
• 1:18:07
  Probably not. Probably just the one. Yeah. In a reading about love, the reversed Queen suggests
• 1:18:14
  an unhappy relationship based on security status or wealth. In some cases, it represents
• 1:18:23
  sexual access, obsession or trading sex for financial benefits. Okay. I mean, I don't know if that has
• 1:18:32
  anything to do with the like specifically with this, but it just seems like salacious, you know? Yeah.
• 1:18:41
  The evil things indicative of scandal. Yeah. I feel like. Okay. There is an extra excerpt,
• 1:18:49
  "Earthmother." We often refer to our planet as "mother earth," and which is considered the earth to be
• 1:18:59
  feminine. In the writer Waitsmith, Dach, the Queen of Pentacles sits in a beautiful landscape
• 1:19:05
  which indicates her strong connection with nature. She's the ultimate earthmother.
• 1:19:12
  Which is like all like paganism is about is like really earth and yeah. Interesting. We drew this card.
• 1:19:20
  That's like a queen, like a woman and there was a lot of woman bashing in this
• 1:19:24
  religion in general and in this specific exorcism episode. And I'm really like wondering what
• 1:19:35
  this other card was. That was stuck to it now. It's the Ace of Cups in reverse. And it's another
• 1:19:42
  woman. Interesting. It is Lydia on her bike. And you said this is Ace of Cups in reverse as well.
• 1:19:51
  Okay. Keywords are new love, beginning a creative activity in joy. The reversed Ace can
• 1:20:00
  indicate a delay in starting a relationship. It can also mean a romance that seemed promising,
• 1:20:07
  doesn't develop or turn out as you'd hoped. What if this was like from the demons perspective?
• 1:20:12
  That's so funny. I was going to say I feel like I understand why the other card was the one
• 1:20:19
  that wins out. That maybe that makes sense too. This may not be the right time to start something new.
• 1:20:26
  This is so from the demons perspective like I can't get that out of my head now. Yeah. Interesting.
• 1:20:33
  In a reading about money, the reversed Ace suggests you may have to wait a while to profit from a new venture.
• 1:20:39
  Especially if you're not getting paid for it. Or it can mean you won't make as much as you'd
• 1:20:45
  expected. Again, especially if you're not getting paid. Or I was kind of thinking before I lose it.
• 1:20:52
  Like the like Stan who has this new relationship with his exorcist and like maybe it didn't work out
• 1:20:59
  right away. If the reading is about your work, you may encounter delays in landing your dream job.
• 1:21:07
  For creative people, this Ace can represent a dry spa when you feel stifled or uninspired.
• 1:21:15
  In a reading about love, you may run into obstacles, limitations, or disappointments.
• 1:21:22
  Oh, you can't possess this person because this bishop cloud is just yelling at you.
• 1:21:28
  You know, maybe, maybe get out of here. It's my half day cruiser fruits.
• 1:21:37
  Seriously. Oh, I'm sorry. Christ on the cross. Yeah. You get it. Oh, man. Well, that was fun.
• 1:21:44
  Yeah. I really loved using my beetle juice stack. That's good. That was a good one. It came with a
• 1:21:50
  weird interpretation. Oh, boy. Yeah. That's booklet. That's like one page. Wow. I kind of want to,
• 1:21:58
  I don't know if these say anything extra. Let's see. What was that first one again? So
• 1:22:03
  Queen of Pentacles. Queen of Pentacles. And then the Ace of Cops in Rivers. Oh, this is interesting.
• 1:22:10
  When the when reverse, the Queen of Pentacles finds you turning inward, taking time away from your
• 1:22:15
  career and family. So you can do the essential work on yourself. Don't worry. They'll manage
• 1:22:22
  just fine without you. Interesting. It reminds me of like having work issues when you're like having
• 1:22:29
  a possession and yeah. And then like you have to turn away from everything and then like get help,
• 1:22:34
  you have to work on yourself to get the demons out. That's exactly what I was thinking. And then
• 1:22:41
  something is keeping you grounded when all you want to do is fly like away with a diamond.
• 1:22:47
  With a diamond. This block is temporary, but it's worth investigating what's holding you down.
• 1:22:54
  Oh, God. The sleep paralysis. Yeah. I don't like that. They're literally investigating what was
• 1:23:05
  holding him down. That's crazy. Yeah, I think we should get back to true crime. I'm really glad that I
• 1:23:11
  opened this. Okay. You're ready for new experiences, new relationships and a boon of artistic inspiration.
• 1:23:18
  Oh, a boon. Daniel. Daniel. That's an angelic name. Daniel. Because it ends in E.L. Oh, interesting.
• 1:23:29
  Shake off your past and dance your way into a beautiful new time of life. That's kind of interesting
• 1:23:37
  too because in Beetlejuice, the dancing was like they were being possessed whenever people,
• 1:23:42
  they were like making people dance. Yeah, that's true. Oh, it's just all connected with that one
• 1:23:49
  little piece of paper I decided to pull out. Interesting. That's cool. Well, do you guys love our
• 1:23:58
  altar with our Taylor prayer candle, our Cee Nuiville here, I know I'm gonna speak Nuiville
• 1:24:06
  bats. The bait. We got our protective crystal with it's like a gold gold sheen obsidian. I think
• 1:24:13
  it's called like a gold obsidian. I think it's called gold gold sheen obsidian. Gold. You're
• 1:24:21
  fancier than me. I don't know. I thought obsidian was just black. It is. So normally obsidian is black,
• 1:24:28
  but there is. It's like not black. They're like not a shimmery though. I thought. Yeah, this is
• 1:24:32
  a gold sheen obsidian. So gold sheen obsidian has like, it's like I feel like it's almost like
• 1:24:37
  tiger's eye kind of. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Very reminiscent of that. I think they're silver too.
• 1:24:43
  But they're really cool. I guess you can't tell. All of us kind of show off the ball really quick.
• 1:24:50
  Okay. Or the egg. Interesting. It's an egg and the thing said stuff about like fertility.
• 1:24:56
  Oh yeah, that's a good point. It's very pretty. It's so cool. Because it does just look like a black
• 1:25:03
  stone at first glance really. Oh, I love this thing. But obsidian is like very like a very protective
• 1:25:10
  stone, which is why I... Yeah. I brought it today and then it's being held up by my three gargoyle
• 1:25:15
  little stand. The gargs. The gargs. They're protective too. So we got a lot of protective stuff going
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  on just in case. Oh, and you know, I think I maybe knew that at one point, but I didn't...
• 1:25:28
  It wasn't clicking. Yeah. Maybe I learned it and then forgot it. I didn't realize I guess gargoyles.
• 1:25:34
  Yeah. They're protective too. It makes sense why they would be like on every
• 1:25:39
  on the outside of her. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy. I used to have a gargoyle outside my front door
• 1:25:45
  and I have pat on my head. It lives at my friend Brittany's house now. I love it. A lullvich. And then we
• 1:25:51
  of course have the super evil Ouija board. That's not a Ouija board. It is a cutting board. So,
• 1:25:59
  Kate, let us say, there's no plan chat to go with it. Which I believe Ouija boards in general are not...
• 1:26:08
  They can't do anything unless you're trying to communicate. So if it's just sitting in your house
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  for a decoration. No, I agree. I think, you know, until you actually open... Take the steps. It's an
• 1:26:24
  inanimate object. Yeah. Yeah. I think so. Yeah. So we're safe either way, but... A herb.
• 1:26:29
  In the middle of sage, little sage bundle, smoked cleansing bundle. There ain't nothing little about
• 1:26:35
  sage bundle. It's huge. It's enormous. It's got a... What did you say? Gerthy. She girthy.
• 1:26:43
  Hefty? I'm a hefty boy. Hefty boy. That's so funny. Well, I can't.
• 1:26:49
  That's my sad. Hefty boy. Oh, there might be a Patreon bonus. There's like some little extra stuff
• 1:26:59
  that I just didn't because it was... It turned out to be nine pages. Which is like... Wow. Yeah, that's
• 1:27:04
  long. I think the longest one I ever did was like 10. So nine's pretty long. Usually it's like seven, eight.
• 1:27:10
  Yeah. I feel like that's like pretty solid. Yeah. Like lengthwise for kind of the format that we use.
• 1:27:17
  I just had some opinions. We've had a couple of like little mini-so things too from like episodes
• 1:27:24
  that have already been out now that like, hopefully we can get to. Maybe not today. Patreon bonus is
• 1:27:32
  we have them planned. So get ready. But we just recorded a Patreon bonus that has to go out. So
• 1:27:42
  we did a little news. So news club poll for them. Yeah. Okay. All right. Should we go? Should we
• 1:27:50
  go? Finish our blood and get out of here. Yeah. Oh my. Have a creepy ass day. See you next Tuesday.
• 1:28:02
  Unless you're possessed by the demon or Jesus. Unless you bring a Ouija board to my house. I want to
• 1:28:11
  play because then you're uninvited. Okay. I mean, I brought the Ouija board and I want to play it. I just
• 1:28:18
  know that you're not going to. Yeah. Mm-hmm. No, thank you. I'll get her to do one. A power of Christ compil 0.
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