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South Austin Murder Investigation Expands After Suspect’s Arrest · Murder Files Unsealed

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  Speaker 1: Picture this. It's a Sunday afternoon in Austin, Texas. The
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  Speaker 1: sun is out. The weekend is winding down. You know,
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  Speaker 1: you might be out in your yard, maybe walking your dog,
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  Speaker 1: just going about those normal everyday weekend routines.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, just typical Sunday stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. The streets are relatively quiet. And then suddenly that
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  Speaker 1: quiet is just completely shattered. You hear this chaotic, prolonged
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  Speaker 1: screech of tires everywhere. tearing through the neighborhood.
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  Speaker 2: Which is terrifying on its own, really.
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  Speaker 1: Right. And that sound is instantly followed by the violent,
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  Speaker 1: unmistakable crunch of metal, like a car just slamming head-on
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  Speaker 1: into a fence.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 1: So for the neighbors who rush out of their homes
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  Speaker 1: on Woodland Avenue, their first instinct is, you know, almost
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  Speaker 1: certainly that they're looking at a terrible, albeit standard, traffic accident.
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  Speaker 2: Because that's what makes sense, right? Your brain goes to
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  Speaker 2: the most logical explanation.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly, yeah. You see the wrecked car... You see the
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  Speaker 1: driver slumped inside. Your brain immediately tries to categorize the
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  Speaker 1: chaos within like the normal parameters of a driving mishap.
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  Speaker 1: So you think, oh, someone fell asleep at the wheel.
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  Speaker 2: Or medical emergency, maybe. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Or they were texting. But then as the dust literally
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  Speaker 1: settles and the first responders arrive, the horrific reality of
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  Speaker 1: the situation sets in. This isn't a traffic accident at all.
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  Speaker 2: No, it's much worse.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. The driver, a man named Edwin Pulger, is suffering
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  Speaker 1: from fatal trauma. But it's not from the steering column
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  Speaker 1: or the windshield. He has been shot.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, geez.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And just like that, a typical Sunday afternoon shatters
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  Speaker 1: into a chaotic crime scene. And this marks the city
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  Speaker 1: of Austin's 39th homicide of the year 2026.
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  Speaker 2: It's just an incredibly jarring image. I mean, it completely
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  Speaker 2: upends our internal expectations of a given environment. We all
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  Speaker 2: operate under this subconscious illusion of safety, especially on a
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  Speaker 2: Sunday afternoon in a residential area.
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  Speaker 1: Right. You feel safe in your own neighborhood.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. You're driving down the road, listening to the radio,
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  Speaker 2: and the next thing you know, your vehicle is the
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  Speaker 2: focal point of a massive, devastating criminal investigation. What makes
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  Speaker 2: this particular scene so chilling is the immediate aftermath for
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  Speaker 2: the people living on that street.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the realization of what just happened.
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  Speaker 2: Right. There is this sudden, cold realization that a killer
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  Speaker 2: was just there, just, you know, standing on their sidewalk,
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  Speaker 2: pulling a trigger. And has now simply melted away into
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  Speaker 2: the surrounding neighborhood before anyone even fully understood what they
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  Speaker 2: were looking at.
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  Speaker 1: And that vanishing act, that is exactly what we are
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  Speaker 1: going to explore today. Welcome to this deep dive.
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  Speaker 2: Glad to be here.
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  Speaker 1: So our mission today is to thoroughly unpack a local
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  Speaker 1: news report from FOX 7 Austin concerning the investigation and
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  Speaker 1: the subsequent highly coordinated arrest of a 21-year-old man named
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  Speaker 1: Santana Gonzalez.
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  Speaker 2: There is a lot to unpack there.
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  Speaker 1: There really is. We have a stack of facts from
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  Speaker 1: this reporting, and we're going to move far beyond those
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  Speaker 1: initial shocking headlines. Like, we want to map out the
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  Speaker 1: anatomy of an escalating crime spree, explore the invisible digital
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  Speaker 1: footprints that you and I leave behind every single day.
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  Speaker 2: Which is terrifying, by the way.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely. And we also want to confront the harsh
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  Speaker 1: realities of how our legal system has to prioritize its
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  Speaker 1: limited resources.
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  Speaker 2: You know, local news does a necessary job of giving
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  Speaker 2: us the who, what, when, and where in quick, digestible bursts.
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  Speaker 2: We need that to stay informed.
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  Speaker 1: Right, the basics.
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  Speaker 2: But when you slow down and really look at the
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  Speaker 2: mechanisms at play in an investigation like this one, you
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  Speaker 2: begin to see the hidden architecture of modern law enforcement.
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  Speaker 1: The stuff happening behind the scenes.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. You start to understand how cases are actually built
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  Speaker 2: when the traditional methods, the methods we all grew up
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  Speaker 2: watching on television... Like relying on witnesses pointing fingers in
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  Speaker 2: an interrogation room when those fall completely flat.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm just fascinated by that hidden architecture because there
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  Speaker 1: is so much happening beneath the surface here. So let's
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  Speaker 1: start right there at the inciting incident on Woodland Avenue.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, let's look at it.
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  Speaker 1: According to the Austin Police Department, Edwin Pulger was simply
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  Speaker 1: driving his car when he encountered 21-year-old Santana Gonzalez, who
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  Speaker 1: was on foot. The report states that Gonzalez shot Pulger.
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  Speaker 2: And that gunshot is what caused the crash, right?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that gunshot is what caused Polger's vehicle to accelerate
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  Speaker 1: out of control and crash into the fence. But the
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  Speaker 1: most critical detail for the investigators arriving on the scene
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  Speaker 1: is that Gonzalez fled the area entirely before the first
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  Speaker 1: police sirens even began to wail.
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  Speaker 2: And this presents the first major hurdle in any homicide investigation.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, the sheer chaos of the immediate aftermath. Right.
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  Speaker 1: It's just total confusion.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. When you have a sudden violent event in a
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  Speaker 2: public space, intuition tells you that someone somewhere saw exactly
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  Speaker 2: what happened. It is broad daylight. There are houses everywhere.
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  Speaker 1: People are out and about.
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  Speaker 2: Right. But human perception under extreme sudden stress is notoriously
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  Speaker 2: fragile and deeply flawed.
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  Speaker 1: The article actually included a quote from APD officer Aaron
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  Speaker 1: Townsend that really highlighted that flaw. He was speaking about
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  Speaker 1: the witnesses at the scene.
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  Speaker 2: What did he say?
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  Speaker 1: So he said multiple people heard gunshots and multiple people
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  Speaker 1: kind of saw bits and pieces of what happened. Bits
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  Speaker 1: and pieces.
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  Speaker 2: Which isn't much to go on.
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  Speaker 1: Not at all. The initial suspect description released to the
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  Speaker 1: public based on those witnesses was incredibly vague. They were
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  Speaker 1: looking for a young Hispanic male, maybe late teens or
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  Speaker 1: early 20s, with a slender build who left the area.
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  Speaker 2: And that is the harsh reality of eyewitness testimony in
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  Speaker 2: a crisis scenario. We tend to think of our brains
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  Speaker 2: as video recorders, right? Just passively capturing every frame of
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  Speaker 2: our lives in high definition.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like we can just rewind the tape.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. But when a gun goes off unexpectedly, the body's
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  Speaker 2: fight or flight response violently hijacks the system. Tunnel vision occurs.
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  Speaker 2: Adrenaline spikes. Cortisol floods the brain.
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  Speaker 1: So they aren't processing the details.
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  Speaker 2: No, people are not passively recording. They are surviving. They
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  Speaker 2: are diving for cover, grabbing their children, trying to figure
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  Speaker 2: out the trajectory of the threat.
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  Speaker 1: Right. They're not looking at his shoes.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. They aren't taking mental notes on the suspect's facial
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  Speaker 2: features or the specific logo on their shirt or the
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  Speaker 2: brand of shoes they're wearing. They see a flash of movement.
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  Speaker 2: They see a silhouette. They see a slender build darting
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  Speaker 2: around a corner.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was trying to wrap my head around this
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  Speaker 1: bits and pieces concept last night. and I keep visualizing
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  Speaker 1: it like a shattered mirror.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that's a good way to look at it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like imagine you drop a large mirror on the pavement.
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  Speaker 1: It breaks into dozens of jagged little shards. Each person
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  Speaker 1: standing on that street on Woodland Avenue is holding one
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  Speaker 1: of those pieces. They are only seeing one tiny distorted
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  Speaker 1: reflection of the truth.
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  Speaker 2: All right, just a fragment.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, one person saw a slender build. Another person just
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  Speaker 1: heard the sound of the gun and assumed it was
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  Speaker 1: like a firecracker. Another just saw the car swerve and crash.
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  Speaker 1: No single person holds the whole mirror.
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  Speaker 2: That's a perfect analogy.
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  Speaker 1: But my question is about the investigative response to that.
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  Speaker 1: Because if witnesses can only provide such a vague description,
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  Speaker 1: just a slender young man in a city full of
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  Speaker 1: slender young men, how does law enforcement operate?
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  Speaker 2: It's incredibly difficult. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Because a description that broad could literally apply to thousands
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  Speaker 1: of people within a five-mile radius. How do they avoid
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  Speaker 1: arresting the wrong person in a panic just to, you know,
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  Speaker 1: show the public they're doing something.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it is a massive vulnerability in the opening hours
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  Speaker 2: of an investigation. The pressure on detectives is immense. The
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  Speaker 2: community is terrified. The media is demanding answers. And the
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  Speaker 2: instinct is to just sweep the area and grab anyone
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  Speaker 2: who vaguely fits the description.
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  Speaker 1: Which would be a disaster.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. Acting aggressively on a description as generic as slender
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  Speaker 2: young man is a recipe for false arrest, and massive
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  Speaker 2: civil rights violations. What experienced investigators do instead is exhibit
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  Speaker 2: incredible discipline.
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  Speaker 1: So what's their first move?
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  Speaker 2: They secure the physical perimeter, preserve whatever physical evidence might
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  Speaker 2: be left behind, you know, shell casings, footprints, and they
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  Speaker 2: immediately start looking for the why. They look for the motive.
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  Speaker 1: But in this case, the why seemed to be the
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  Speaker 1: most terrifying part of all.
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  Speaker 2: Because there didn't seem to be one.
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  Speaker 1: Right. The police explicitly stated something very chilling early on.
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  Speaker 1: Officer Townsend mentioned that at the time, there was no
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  Speaker 1: information that's been put out as far as what relationship
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  Speaker 1: there may or may not have been between Polger, the driver,
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  Speaker 1: and the man walking on the street.
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  Speaker 2: And that lack of relationship is the investigator's nightmare.
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  Speaker 1: Really? Why is that?
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  Speaker 2: Because in criminology, murders overwhelmingly fall into categories of relationship.
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  Speaker 2: You have domestic disputes, business deals gone wrong, gang rivalries,
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  Speaker 2: robberies where the victim and perpetrator have a transactional, albeit violent, interaction.
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  Speaker 1: So they usually know each other or at least have
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  Speaker 1: a reason to interact.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. When detectives have a body, the standard operating procedure
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  Speaker 2: is to look closely at the victim's inner circle. They
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  Speaker 2: look at spouses, business partners, known enemies, and they radiate outward.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, that makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: But when you have a seemingly random encounter, a driver
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  Speaker 2: and a pedestrian crossing paths resulting in instant fatal violence,
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  Speaker 2: you have no inner circle to interrogate.
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  Speaker 1: There is no ex-business partner who was just seen arguing
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  Speaker 1: with him.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. You have no obvious financial motive. You have no
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  Speaker 2: history of domestic calls to that address. The random nature
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  Speaker 2: of the encounter makes the case infinitely harder to solve initially.
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  Speaker 1: Because the killer just disappears.
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  Speaker 2: Right. The killer simply fades back into the crowd. They
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  Speaker 2: are completely anonymous, unlinked to the victim by blood, money,
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  Speaker 2: or history. Without a relationship to investigate, traditional detective work
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  Speaker 2: hits a brick wall very quickly.
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  Speaker 1: So let's look at the board the detectives are staring at.
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  Speaker 1: You have a suspect who vanishes into thin air. You
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  Speaker 1: have a neighborhood full of witnesses who only have bits
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  Speaker 1: and pieces of a shattered mirror. And you have absolutely
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  Speaker 1: no clear motive tying the victim to the killer.
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  Speaker 2: It looks completely hopeless.
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  Speaker 1: It sounds like a complete investigative investigation. dead end. The
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  Speaker 1: physical world wasn't offering any answers. They had to look
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  Speaker 1: beyond the physical world entirely. They had to turn to
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  Speaker 1: invisible evidence.
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  Speaker 2: And this is a profound pivot. When the physical limitations
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  Speaker 2: of a crime scene give you nothing, modern law enforcement
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  Speaker 2: leans into the digital realities of our world.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, here's where it gets really interesting. Let's talk about
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  Speaker 1: the breakthrough, because the arrest itself was a major event.
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  Speaker 2: It certainly was.
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  Speaker 1: The FOX 7 report details that Santana Gonzalez was arrested
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  Speaker 1: on a Wednesday, just days after the Sunday murder. But
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  Speaker 1: this was not a routine traffic stop. This wasn't a
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  Speaker 1: patrol officer pulling him over for a broken taillight and
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  Speaker 1: running his license to find a warrant. No, not at all.
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  Speaker 1: The arrest was executed by the U.S. Marshals Lone Star
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  Speaker 1: Fugitive Task Force alongside the APD SWAT team. That is
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  Speaker 1: an overwhelming show of force.
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  Speaker 2: It tells you everything you need to know about the
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  Speaker 2: perceived threat level of the suspect.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. But the real jaw-dropper is how they found him,
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  Speaker 1: how they tied him to the Woodland Avenue murder. The
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  Speaker 1: arrest paperwork cited a consumer data record search.
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  Speaker 2: Which is a game-changer.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And this search didn't just put his phone at
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  Speaker 1: the scene of the murder. It put his phone at
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  Speaker 1: the locations of several other completely separate crimes.
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  Speaker 2: Right. Which we'll get into. But the deployment of the U.S.
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  Speaker 2: Marshals and a SWAT team, local police departments, do not
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  Speaker 2: utilize federal fugitive task forces for routine warrant service. Right.
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  Speaker 1: You don't call in SWAT for shoplifting.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. You bring in SWAT and the marshals when you
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  Speaker 2: believe the individual is highly dangerous, a significant flight risk,
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  Speaker 2: or heavily armed and willing to use those weapons. But
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  Speaker 2: the mechanism of discovery you mentioned, the consumer data record search,
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  Speaker 2: that is the pivotal element of this entire situation.
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  Speaker 1: I want to spend some real time on this because
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  Speaker 1: this concept of consumer data is wild. When you apply
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  Speaker 1: it to a murder investigation.
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  Speaker 2: It really is.
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  Speaker 1: Think about how you and I carry our cell phones everywhere.
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  Speaker 1: We sleep with them next to our pillows. We take
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  Speaker 1: them to the bathroom. We take them on our Sunday
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  Speaker 1: afternoon walks. We treat them like appendages.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, they basically are at this point.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think of our cell phones like an invisible
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  Speaker 1: tether or maybe a continuous digital breadcrumb trail that we
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  Speaker 1: leave behind us with every single step we take. And
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  Speaker 1: we are completely oblivious to the fact that we are
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  Speaker 1: dropping these crumbs.
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  Speaker 2: Most people don't even think about it.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. But I want to push back on the traditional
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  Speaker 1: true crime idea of a crime scene. We always hear
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  Speaker 1: on police shows about the suspect fleeing the scene. But
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  Speaker 1: if your phone data is logged at that exact geographic coordinate,
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  Speaker 1: at the exact millisecond a crime occurs, does fleeing the
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  Speaker 1: physical scene even matter anymore?
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  Speaker 2: Honestly, it really doesn't. Not in the way it used to.
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  Speaker 2: Physical escapes are, in many ways, rendered completely useless by
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  Speaker 2: these digital anchors.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: A suspect can run as fast as they want. They
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  Speaker 2: can hide in a dark alley. They can change their clothes,
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  Speaker 2: burn their shoes, and move to a different city. But
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  Speaker 2: if the device in their pocket is constantly communicating with
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  Speaker 2: the network, they have already been caught.
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  Speaker 1: The police just haven't printed the receipt yet.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. That is a perfect way to put it.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. Break down the actual mechanics of this for me.
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  Speaker 1: Because when we hear consumer data, most of us think
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  Speaker 1: of targeted ads. Like, I search for a pair of
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  Speaker 1: running shoes online, and suddenly every website I visit is
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  Speaker 1: showing me ads for sneakers.
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  Speaker 2: Right, the marketing side of it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. How does the same system that tries to sell
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  Speaker 1: me shoes translate into catching a murder suspect? What is
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  Speaker 1: actually happening behind the scenes of a consumer data record search?
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  Speaker 2: Well, it requires an understanding of the sheer scale of
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  Speaker 2: data collection that we all opt into, usually just for
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  Speaker 2: the sake of convenience.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, walk me through it.
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  Speaker 2: When police use a consumer data record search, They aren't
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  Speaker 2: necessarily just looking at traditional cell tower pings. Cell tower
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  Speaker 2: data has been used for years, but it can sometimes
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  Speaker 2: be broad, giving investigators a general wedge or radius of
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  Speaker 2: where a phone might be.
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  Speaker 1: Like it places you in a neighborhood, but maybe not
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  Speaker 1: on a specific sidewalk?
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. The consumer data search, however, often taps into the
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  Speaker 2: data collected by the applications on the phone itself.
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  Speaker 1: You mean like the apps we download from the App Store?
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  Speaker 2: Yes. Think about your weather apps, your mapping and navigation apps,
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  Speaker 2: your fitness trackers, or your social media platforms.
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  Speaker 1: The ones we use every day.
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  Speaker 2: Right. When you download these apps, they usually ask for
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  Speaker 2: permission to track your location. They frame it as a
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  Speaker 2: way to provide you with localized services, showing you the
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  Speaker 2: weather in your exact zip code, or giving you turn-by-turn directions.
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  Speaker 1: So we just click accept?
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  Speaker 2: We all do. Yeah. But those apps are constantly communicating
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  Speaker 2: with their host servers, pinging your exact GPS coordinates, sometimes
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  Speaker 2: down to a few meters, multiple times an hour, or
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  Speaker 2: even multiple times a minute.
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  Speaker 1: So the same technology that tells me there is a
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  Speaker 1: highly rated coffee shop two blocks away is the exact
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  Speaker 1: same technology placing a suspect at a murder scene.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. And the crucial part is what happens to that data.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. What happens to it?
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  Speaker 2: The app developers often package and sell that location data
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  Speaker 2: to third-party entities known as data brokers.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. These brokers aggregate billions of data points from millions
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  Speaker 2: of devices. They build massive, anonymized databases showing the movement
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  Speaker 2: of these devices over time. Now, law enforcement, armed with
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  Speaker 2: the proper search warrants, can access these immense databases.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, so how do they query it? Do they just
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  Speaker 1: type in Santana Gonzalez and ask where he was?
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  Speaker 2: Not initially. Usually it works in reverse. It's often called
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  Speaker 2: a geofence warrant.
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  Speaker 1: A geofence warrant. Okay, how does that work?
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  Speaker 2: The detectives have the exact geographic coordinates of the Woodland
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  Speaker 2: Avenue crash. They have the precise time the 911 calls
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  Speaker 2: started coming in. They define a digital perimeter, a geofence,
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  Speaker 2: around that specific area during that specific time window.
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  Speaker 1: So they draw a circle on a map.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. They serve the warrant to the data broker or
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  Speaker 2: the tech company and essentially say, give us the anonymized
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  Speaker 2: device IDs of every single phone that was inside this
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  Speaker 2: invisible fence between, say, 2.00 p.m. and 2.15 p.m. on Sunday.
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  Speaker 1: They cast a digital net over the crime scene.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. The company hands over a list of anonymized devices.
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  Speaker 2: The police look at the movement patterns. They filter out
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  Speaker 2: the devices that were moving at 30 miles per hour
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  Speaker 2: because those were likely other cars driving by.
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  Speaker 1: That makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: They filter out the devices that stayed perfectly still inside
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  Speaker 2: the surrounding houses. They look for the device that was
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: moving at a walking pace, stopped at the exact location
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: of the crash at the exact time of the shooting,
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: and then rapidly moved away from the scene. Oh, my God.
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: That is so specific.
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: It is. Once they isolate that specific device ID, they
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: go back to a judge, get another warrant, and demand
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: the tech company de-anonymize that single device, revealing the account
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: holder's name and phone number.
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: That is staggering. It is a completely different way of investigating.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: It is not interviewing witnesses. It is interviewing the invisible
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: infrastructure of the city.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: And the most powerful aspect of this is the historical element.
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: Once they have that device isolated, they don't just see
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: where it was on that Sunday. They unlock a digital
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: time machine. They can request the historical movement data of
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: that phone for the past days, weeks, or months.
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: And that digital time machine is what blew this case
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: wide open. Because the phone data didn't just solve the
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: Woodland Avenue murder. It unspooled an entire timeline of escalating violence.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: It showed a terrifying pattern. Yeah, the police had absolutely
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: no idea these other crimes were connected to the same person.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: The digital breadcrumbs led them backwards through a very dark,
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: Very violent history. So let's look at this timeline, working
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: chronologically backward from the murder, as it was revealed by
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: the arrest paperwork and the witness reports.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: This is where the case transitions from a single tragic
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: event into a masterclass on the anatomy of a crime spree.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: Violent crime of this nature rarely starts with a random murder.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: There is almost always a buildup. There is an escalation.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: Okay, let's trace that escalation backwards. So just days before
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: the fatal Sunday shooting on Woodland Avenue, there was an
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: incident in the area of East 2nd Street. According to APD,
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: multiple shots were fired by a Hispanic male.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: And his description this time.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: Right, his description. He was wearing all black, carrying a
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: backpack and wearing glasses. He fired the shots and disappeared. Then,
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: if we go back a little further to August 13th,
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: there was another shooting incident in that exact same East
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: 2nd Street area. The suspect fled again. But police noted
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: his clothing was somewhat similar to the eventual homicide suspect.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: But this time, they specifically noted he was wearing a
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: handkerchief over his face.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: Notice the clustering there.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: What do you mean?
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: The geographic locations are not random. The East 2nd Street
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: area becomes a focal point for him. In behavioral analysis,
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: we often see offenders use specific areas as a sort
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: of testing ground. It is an area they feel comfortable in,
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: an area they know the escape routes for.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: But the origin point of this violence, according to the
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: court documents, goes back even further to July 26th. And
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: this incident is completely different in nature.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: How so?
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: Police responded to Elks Pass Drive because someone was shooting
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: into a home. Now, this one wasn't a random guy
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: on the street in a mask. The victims inside that
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: home told police exactly who they thought it was.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: They knew him.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: They did. They said their son had been receiving threats
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: from Santana Gonzalez because their son was currently dating Gonzalez's ex-girlfriend.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: The victims explicitly believed Gonzalez was the one who shot
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: up their home.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: Which is a very specific motive.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Exactly. And the Consumer Data Record Search, it put Gonzalez's
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: phone at every single one of these locations. Wow. The
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: device was at the house on Elks Pass Drive on
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: July 26th. It was at the two shooting incidents on
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: East 2nd Street in August. And it was at the
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: fatal crash on Woodland Avenue.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: What's fascinating here is tracing this trajectory because it is
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: deeply disturbing and it showcases a rapid psychological escalation.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: Walk me through that escalation.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: Well, we begin on July 26th with a deeply personal
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: targeted grieving. The motive is clear as day, right? Jealousy,
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: retaliation over an ex-girlfriend.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: A classic motive, sadly.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: Right. And shooting into a home is an incredibly dangerous,
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: cowardly act, but it is anchored in a specific interpersonal conflict.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: It is a crime of passion and revenge directed at
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: a specific target.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: But then the behavior shifts. Yeah. The target changes.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: It shifts dramatically. By August, he moves away from targeting
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: the new boyfriend's house. He starts initiating seemingly random street
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: shootings in the East 2nd Street area. The personal motive,
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: the ex-girlfriend, the jealousy disappears.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: It's just violence for the sake of violence.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: Exactly. It is replaced by what appears to be a
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: brazen testing of boundaries. He is taking a weapon into
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: a public space, firing it, fleeing, and getting away with it.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: But what is the psychological payoff there? If he isn't
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: shooting at his enemy, why shoot at all?
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: It is about power and invulnerability. Every time he pulls
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: the trigger in a public space and the police don't
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: immediately catch him, his perceived sense of invulnerability grows.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: So he feels invincible.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: Exactly. The adrenaline rush of the near-miss becomes intoxicating. He
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: is rewriting his own rules. And this escalation culminates in
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: the Woodland Avenue encounter.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: The Sunday afternoon murder.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: Right. A completely random intersection of paths. A guy driving
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: a car, a guy walking down the street results in
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: a murder. The progression from a targeted threat over a
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: breakup to random fatal street violence is terrifyingly rapid. It
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: happens over the course of just a few weeks.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: That is just terrifying. I want to talk about his
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: changing appearance during this spree because the police reports noted
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: several different looks.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: Yes. The disguises.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah. We have the handkerchief over the face in one
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: incident on East 2nd Street. Then we have wearing all
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: black with a backpack and glasses in another incident days later.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: And then just a slender build at the murder scene
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: on Woodland Avenue.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: I am looking at this and wondering about intent. Does
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: this changing appearance show like a calculated mastermind level evasion tactic?
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: Is he actively trying to throw off the scent?
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: Or is it something else?
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Or does it just create a bunch of those
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: confusing bits and pieces for the police until the phone
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: data ultimately ties it all together?
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: Well, it is likely a combination of both, but leaning
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: heavily toward the latter. In the moment, from the perpetrator's perspective,
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: wearing a handkerchief over your face or throwing on a
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: backpack and fake glasses might seem like a highly clever disguise.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: Like something out of a movie. Right.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: And to a certain extent, it does work in the
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: short term. It effectively fragments the eyewitness testimonies.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Because everyone remembers a different detail.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Exactly. One witness confidently reports a man in glasses. Another witness,
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: days later, reports a man with a bandana. Without the
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: digital data connecting the dots, police investigators might logically assume
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: they're looking for three different suspects for three different unrelated crimes.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: The physical disguise exploits the natural weaknesses of human memory
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: we discussed earlier.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: It works against the human eye. But it doesn't work
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: against the cell tower.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Precisely. You can change your shirt. You can wear glasses.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: You can tie a bandana around your face. You can
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: even change your walking gait. But you cannot disguise the
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: unique digital signature of your mobile device.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: The phone is the ultimate snitch.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: It really is. The phone data is the ultimate equalizer
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: in modern investigations. It strips away the physical masks and
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: reveals the single continuous thread connecting these seemingly disparate acts
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: of violence.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: And when you look at that escalating pattern of brazen
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: public shootings, it perfectly explains why the APD required the U.S.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Marshals on the SWAT team.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: They weren't just executing a warrant on a guy who
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: made a mistake. They were neutralizing an active escalating threat
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: to public safety. This was someone who was becoming increasingly
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: comfortable with pulling the trigger in broad daylight in residential neighborhoods.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: They recognized that the window between his acts of violence
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: was shrinking. And the severity was increasing. They had to
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: stop the clock.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: It is deeply unsettling to think that without that phone data,
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: without those invisible breadcrumbs, these dots might never have been connected.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: They probably wouldn't have been.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: It really makes you wonder how many historical crime sprees,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: you know, sprees that happened in the 80s or 90s,
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: went completely undetected because law enforcement simply didn't have the
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: digital tools to see the patterns.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: The police back then were just looking at a series
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: of random, unsolved crimes, completely unaware that a single person
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: was responsible.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: Right. But in this case, the pattern is visible. The
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: digital net worked. The suspect is in custody. And now
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: the focus of the narrative shifts entirely. We move from
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: the streets into the legal system.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: Which is a whole different beast.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: It is. How does the system categorize, prosecute, and penalize
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: this kind of escalated behavior?
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: Well, this is where the story enters a completely different
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: architectural structure. The courtroom has its own rules, its own
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: complex vernacular, and its own very harsh realities.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: Catching a suspect is only the first half of the battle, right?
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Proving it and managing the suspect within the system
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: is entirely different.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: So let's lay out the charges as reported by FOX7.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: Following the arrest by the task force, Gonzalez was booked
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: into the Travis County Jail. The charges leveled against him
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: are severe.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: Very severe.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: He is facing first-degree murder for the death of Edwin Polger.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: He is facing deadly conduct charges, which likely relates to
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: the reckless discharging of a firearm in the other incidents
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: on East 2nd Street and Elks Pass Drive. Makes sense.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: But there is another charge listed that really caught my eye,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: an application to revoke probation. Furthermore, the arrest paperwork explicitly
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: identifies Gonzalez as an active member of the Crips gang.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: Let's dissect those legal elements because they are crucial to
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: understanding how the prosecution will handle this case moving forward.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: Okay. What does that probation charge mean?
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: The application to revoke probation is a massive flashing red
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: flag for the court. It proves definitively that Gonzalez was
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: not a ghost to the justice system prior to this spree.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: So they knew him? Yes.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: He was already a known entity. He had a prior
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: criminal conviction. He was placed on probation with specific court-ordered conditions.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: And the state is now arguing that by allegedly committing
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: these new shootings, he has violently violated the terms of
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: that probation.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: So he was already on the system's radar. The news
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: report brought in a criminal defense attorney, Alan Bennett, who
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: is unaffiliated with this specific case, to provide some expert
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: commentary on how these charges play out.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: What did Bennett have to say?
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: Well, he pointed out a few very stark realities about
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: how a district attorney's office actually operates. He noted that
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: the gang affiliation, being an active CRIPS member, according to
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: the police, is something law enforcement will study carefully to
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: develop more information.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: Right, for game task forces.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But he also called it an aggravating factor for
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: his character if this case goes to trial. So what
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: does that actually mean in practice?
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: In the eyes of a jury and in the calculus
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: of a prosecutor preparing for trial, gang affiliation fundamentally changes
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: the narrative of the defendant.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: In what way?
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: It moves the defendant from being portrayed as perhaps a
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: misguided youth who made a tragic, isolated mistake to an
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: active participant in an organized criminal enterprise that relies on violence.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: Oh, wow. That's a huge shift.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: It is. An aggravating factor is legal terminology for any
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: circumstance surrounding a crime or a characteristic of the defendant
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: that heightens the severity of the act or increases the
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: defendant's culpability.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: It makes him look worse on paper.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: It makes him look exceptionally dangerous. It can influence whether
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: the judge grants bail, the severity of the plea deal
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: offered by the state, and it can absolutely influence the
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: harshness of the sentencing down the line if he is convicted.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: So the state will use that against him?
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: The state will absolutely use that affiliation to argue that
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: he is a persistent threat to the community.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: But Bennett also addressed something deeply frustrating that was revealed
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: in the court records by the reporters. It turns out
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: that multiple previous cases against Gonzalez had been eventually dismissed
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: by the system.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: That is unfortunately very common.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: Bennett said something that really struck a nerve with me,
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: and I suspect it strikes a nerve with anyone living
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: in a city dealing with crime.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: What was the quote?
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: He said on paper that doesn't look good for the state,
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: that the prosecutors are dismissing a number of cases. In reality,
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: the state really does have limited resources. They do allocate
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: those resources very carefully.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: And this is perhaps the most uncomfortable reality of our
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: modern justice system.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Tell me about it.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: The general public operates under the expectation that every arrest
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: made by the police will lead to a trial, a verdict,
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: and a conviction. We watch legal dramas where every case
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: gets its day in a pristine courtroom.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: Right, like law and order.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: Exactly. But the physical system simply does not have the bandwidth,
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: the personnel, or the financial resources for that to happen.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: You know, I hear Bennett talking about allocating resources, and
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: I can't help but think of a medical triage unit
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: in a battlefield hospital.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: That's a grim analogy, but accurate.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like the doctors and nurses are completely overwhelmed. They
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: have casualties pouring through the door. They have to look
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: at all the wounded and make split-second agonizing decisions.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: Two to treat first.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: Exactly. Exactly. They have to let the people with minor
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: injuries sit in the waiting room, maybe give them a
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: bandage and send them home, so they can focus all
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: their highly trained surgeons and limited operating rooms on the
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: fatal wounds, the major traumas.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: In this metaphor, the minor injuries are the lesser crimes,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: and dismissing those cases is sending them home. They save
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: the operating room for the major violent crimes, the murders.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: That is exactly how a DA's office has to function.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: But I have to push back hard on this reality.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Because Bennett says, dismissing cases looks bad on paper but
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: is a necessity. But if dismissing earlier, perhaps lesser cases
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: against a suspect, allowed that individual to remain on the street.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: Where they could escalate.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: Yes. Where they could then escalate from threatening someone to
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: shooting at houses to engaging in random first-degree murder. Isn't
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: that a catastrophic failure of the triage system? The minor
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: injury was left untreated, and it festered into a fatality
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: for an innocent person.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: It is incredibly difficult to argue with that logic from
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: a moral or public safety perspective. The frustration you are
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: expressing is shared by many victims of crime, and it
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: is certainly shared by the police officers who make the arrests,
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: only to see the suspect back on the street weeks later.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: It has to be demoralizing for the cops.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely. However, we have to look impartially at the
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: reality of the prosecutor's burdens. The district attorney's office operates
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: under intense grinding pressure. A prosecutor cannot bring a case
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: to trial just because the police made an arrest or
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: just because they know in their gut the person is guilty.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: They need proof.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: They need to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt to
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: a jury of 12 people who know nothing about the case.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: That is an incredibly high bar. Right.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: It's not just a hunch.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Meeting that burden requires cooperative witnesses who are willing
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: to testify under oath. It requires pristine, unimpeachable physical evidence.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: It requires dozens, sometimes hundreds, of hours of preparation by attorneys, paralegals,
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: and expert witnesses.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: And if they don't have all those perfect ingredients for
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: those lesser charges?
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: If a key witness gets scared and stops returning phone calls,
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: or if the evidence in a prior lower-level case was
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: obtained in a way that might be challenged in court.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: Like an illegal search or something.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: Right. The prosecutor has an ethical and financial obligation not
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: to waste taxpayer money and court time on a trial
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: they are destined to lose. They dismiss it. They perform triage.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: They cut their losses. Bennett noted that because of this
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: new murder charge, the district attorney's office will now zoom
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: in on Gonzalez. Those prior dismissed incidents or uncharged offenses
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: that APD knows about will suddenly become incredibly relevant as
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: background information.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: So they use the old stuff to bolster the new charge.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: Yes. The prosecutors will pool all their triage resources into
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: securing a conviction on the most severe charge, the first-degree murder.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: They will build an ironclad case around the consumer data
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: because a murder conviction is what will permanently remove him
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: from society.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: It is a brutal, cold calculation. They have to gamble
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: that dropping a small charge or putting someone on probation
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: won't lead to a bigger tragedy down the road. And
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: in this case, it appears that Gamble was lost in
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: a devastating way.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: The escalation happened.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: It did. The tragedy occurred on Woodland Avenue on a
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: Sunday afternoon.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: It is a systemic tension that has no easy answer.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: Law enforcement utilizes cutting-edge digital tools to catch the suspect,
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: but then the legal system has to decide how to
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: process that individual through a pipeline that is already bursting
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: at the seams.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: It's just a constant balancing act between ideal justice and
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: pragmatic reality.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: You know, this entire case, when you really take the
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: time to look at it, is just layers upon layers
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: of invisible systems operating all around us.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: It's mind-blowing when you step back and see the whole picture.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: It really is. We started with a single local news
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  Speaker 1: article about a tragic car crash into a fence. And
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  Speaker 1: by digging deeper into the facts, we uncovered the deep
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  Speaker 1: biological flaws of human memory under pressure.
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  Speaker 2: The shattered mirror.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And we saw how our cell phones, the devices
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  Speaker 1: we cherish, act as silent, unblinking witnesses to our every move,
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  Speaker 1: mapping out hidden timelines of violence for data brokers and police.
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  Speaker 2: The ultimate snitch, as you called it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And finally, we confronted the harsh, triage-like reality of
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  Speaker 1: a justice system operating under severe resource constraints, constantly balancing
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  Speaker 1: the burden of proof against public safety.
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  Speaker 2: These systems, the flow of digital data tracking our precise coordinates,
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  Speaker 2: and the legal triage prioritizing the overflowing dockets, are operating
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  Speaker 2: in the background of your city every single day.
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  Speaker 1: We just don't see them.
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  Speaker 2: Right. They are the unseen forces that shape the resolution
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  Speaker 2: of the headlines we read over our morning coffee. They
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  Speaker 2: are the infrastructure of modern reality.
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  Speaker 1: It really makes you view your environment differently. You start
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  Speaker 1: looking at the cell towers and the courthouse with a
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  Speaker 1: completely new perspective.
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  Speaker 2: It's hard not to.
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  Speaker 1: Which brings me to a final thought I want to
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  Speaker 1: leave you with, something to mull over long after you
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: finish listening to this deep talk.
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  Speaker 2: Let's hear it.
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  Speaker 1: Think about those digital breadcrumbs we discussed at length. In
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  Speaker 1: a world where a consumer data record search can instantly
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  Speaker 1: place you at a specific geographic coordinate on a specific day,
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  Speaker 1: down to the exact minute, the concept of the perfect
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  Speaker 1: alibi is completely dead.
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  Speaker 2: You can't argue with GPS.
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  Speaker 1: You really can't. You can't lie about where you were
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  Speaker 1: if your pocket is broadcasting the truth to a server.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: But if our devices are constantly recording our locations, packaging them,
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  Speaker 1: and making them accessible to law enforcement to solve these
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  Speaker 1: horrific crimes, are we sacrificing our total privacy for the
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  Speaker 1: promise that eventually there will be no such thing as
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  Speaker 1: an unsolved mystery?
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  Speaker 2: That is the big question.
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  Speaker 1: We want the murderers caught, absolutely. But where exactly is
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  Speaker 1: the line between a safer society and a society that
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: never stops watching its citizens? It's something to think about
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  Speaker 1: the next time you hear a siren on a Sunday afternoon,
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  Speaker 1: or you know, the next time an app asks to
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  Speaker 1: track your location. Thanks for joining us on this deep dive.