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- 0:00Speaker 1: And nine Cognition.
- 0:05Speaker 2: Five four three two one zero, All engine running.
- 0:21Speaker 1: It's Tuesday. You know what that means.
- 0:24Speaker 3: It's time for Ignition with the a W fan Hub
- 0:28Speaker 3: podcast team.
- 0:29Speaker 1: This is Kelson.
- 0:32Speaker 4: And it's me. It's me. It's the VI b E.
- 0:34Speaker 4: That's right, shades the vibe here. We're gonna take a
- 0:37Speaker 4: look at some of the goings on this week and
- 0:41Speaker 4: only wrestling, and we're gonna start with the big event
- 0:44Speaker 4: coming up in London at the O two this weekend,
- 0:46Speaker 4: Forbidden Door. What do you guys think should be the
- 0:51Speaker 4: main event of that show?
- 0:55Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a pretty good question because you could argue
- 0:57Speaker 3: that honestly, Tony Storm and Athena. For me, I really
- 1:02Speaker 3: think Tony Storm and Athena should be the main event.
- 1:04Speaker 3: It's about time the women got a main event. And frankly,
- 1:07Speaker 3: I don't know about the rest of you guys, but
- 1:09Speaker 3: I kind of think like Hangman and MJF is not
- 1:12Speaker 3: too much in doubt.
- 1:13Speaker 5: Logically, I'm gonna say it's gonna be the lights out match,
- 1:16Speaker 5: but I do feel like Athena versus them would be
- 1:19Speaker 5: the best.
- 1:20Speaker 6: Yeah, that sounds like logical now that I think about it.
- 1:22Speaker 6: With the lights out match going last, because like, then,
- 1:25Speaker 6: what are they going to do after the match is
- 1:27Speaker 6: over if it doesn't go last, turn the lights back
- 1:29Speaker 6: on for the rest of it.
- 1:30Speaker 1: Well, that's not how the lights out match works. They
- 1:32Speaker 1: don't wrestle the dark.
- 1:35Speaker 6: I know that.
- 1:43Speaker 1: It didn't take you long to say something weird.
- 1:48Speaker 7: Goodness, Oh my goodness. I'm looking forward to Athena and
- 1:55Speaker 7: Tony as well. I think that's gonna be the best
- 1:58Speaker 7: match there and it's just gonna be great. I'm so
- 2:03Speaker 7: happy to see women's wrestling.
- 2:06Speaker 1: Just top tier. Yeah kay, what are your thoughts about it?
- 2:11Speaker 8: Honestly, if there was ever a time, I do agree
- 2:13Speaker 8: that the women should main event at some point, but
- 2:15Speaker 8: if they were ever gonna do it, it should have
- 2:17Speaker 8: been the all in match, should be get They put
- 2:20Speaker 8: them second with Mariah May and Tony Storm, like that
- 2:23Speaker 8: felt the most obvious for a main event women's main event,
- 2:26Speaker 8: But this time around, I'm going to go with the
- 2:28Speaker 8: the lights out match because, like we just said, like
- 2:30Speaker 8: you can't turn them back on again. That breaks the
- 2:34Speaker 8: drama for me too. That's my favorite part is like
- 2:36Speaker 8: this is now unsanctioned. When the lights turn off and
- 2:39Speaker 8: come back on, again, this is no like you know,
- 2:41Speaker 8: that kills the drama if it's not the main event.
- 2:45Speaker 1: Max, do you have any thoughts on this?
- 2:48Speaker 9: Ill, the lights out match has to go last because
- 2:51Speaker 9: it's a big stipulation match, and it it makes the
- 2:57Speaker 9: most sense to close.
- 3:00Speaker 1: Well Shades bring us home.
- 3:04Speaker 4: Well, I agree that it makes the most sense for
- 3:09Speaker 4: the lights out match to go last. However, if it
- 3:12Speaker 4: were me, and because this is a forbidden Door, because
- 3:17Speaker 4: we're trying to, you know, play up the ties between
- 3:23Speaker 4: AW and New Japan Pro Wrestling, I would put Ocata
- 3:27Speaker 4: and Swerve in the main event because Okada is probably,
- 3:33Speaker 4: even though he is signed to AW now, he's probably
- 3:36Speaker 4: the biggest star New Japan Pro Wrestling has had in
- 3:40Speaker 4: the past twenty years and so or at least the
- 3:43Speaker 4: last fifteen years for sure, And I think that it
- 3:46Speaker 4: would it sort of would fall within the spirit of
- 3:51Speaker 4: what Forbidden Door is supposed to be. Now, it won't
- 3:55Speaker 4: be the main event, but I wouldn't be surprised if
- 3:57Speaker 4: it's the best match on the card.
- 4:01Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 4:01Speaker 3: Nizzy in the uh in the chat is saying that
- 4:04Speaker 3: she's leaning towards lights out match too, but she'd be
- 4:08Speaker 3: happy with Athena and Tony Storm.
- 4:12Speaker 1: So where are we going next here?
- 4:16Speaker 4: I have one more thing to add. Let me add
- 4:18Speaker 4: I I agree that MJF and Hangman should not be
- 4:22Speaker 4: the main event because this will not this is not
- 4:24Speaker 4: the end of their feud, so I see this as
- 4:28Speaker 4: just another step in their story. Uh, let's talk about well,
- 4:40Speaker 4: let's just go on. Let's go to predictions now. Actually,
- 4:44Speaker 4: we we've got the card pretty much finalized, so let's
- 4:49Speaker 4: start with the aw World Tag Team Championship. The Hurt
- 4:57Speaker 4: Syndicate takes on the winners of f We are in
- 5:00Speaker 4: Brodido and since we're doing this before the shows this week,
- 5:04Speaker 4: we're gonna have to sort of predict who's gonna win
- 5:06Speaker 4: between FTR and Brodido. I'll go first on that. I
- 5:10Speaker 4: think FTR is gonna win, and I think FTR will
- 5:14Speaker 4: be your new World Tag Team Champions.
- 5:19Speaker 1: I hope not.
- 5:19Speaker 3: You know, I'm gonna say this because last week last year,
- 5:24Speaker 3: we had the same situation with FTR winning a match
- 5:30Speaker 3: to become the not winning.
- 5:33Speaker 1: They actually had a match.
- 5:35Speaker 3: With the acclaimed and the winner would go on to
- 5:39Speaker 3: all In. At that point, because remember all In was
- 5:43Speaker 3: in in August and the match actually went to a draw,
- 5:51Speaker 3: and so both FTR and Acclaimed made it too all
- 5:55Speaker 3: in in a three way, and I just don't want
- 6:00Speaker 3: to see the same thing happening again. I mean, we
- 6:02Speaker 3: did a poll on the aw fathob subreddit and it
- 6:05Speaker 3: was kind of right down the line. Broddo was the
- 6:09Speaker 3: heart pick and FTR was the head pick.
- 6:15Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, for sure I saw that, uh, which I
- 6:19Speaker 8: didn't even think about. Nizzi said that FTR loses due
- 6:22Speaker 8: to cope interference. I think, and I could definitely see
- 6:25Speaker 8: that happening, you know, yeah, because I really I also
- 6:29Speaker 8: just really don't want FTR to get over. I want
- 6:32Speaker 8: Brody to to make it. I want body like if anybody,
- 6:35Speaker 8: you know, I want to see Tag Team gold Lot
- 6:37Speaker 8: again would be uh brody, you know like I, or
- 6:42Speaker 8: a title on again would be brody like I. You know,
- 6:44Speaker 8: I don't want to see FTR make it to the
- 6:46Speaker 8: end this time, and I would prefer a cope interference.
- 6:51Speaker 1: Who's dex who has another who has their own pick? Mkay,
- 6:53Speaker 1: let's go to you.
- 6:55Speaker 5: Uh you know, I I really want some fresh blood
- 6:59Speaker 5: in there and be Brodido there's I think FTR has
- 7:05Speaker 5: their own issues. Going on, and they don't need the
- 7:08Speaker 5: titles right now, so Brodida would be great to put
- 7:10Speaker 5: it on, and it'd be a whole heck of a
- 7:12Speaker 5: lot of a good match for two big teams to
- 7:16Speaker 5: go after each other. And said, because really, if you
- 7:19Speaker 5: look at it, Hurstinicett hasn't faced very many big, big
- 7:25Speaker 5: guys like big and agile guys like they have with Brodido, right.
- 7:32Speaker 3: I also keep in mind also that MVP did say
- 7:35Speaker 3: an interview a couple months ago that he wanted Hurt
- 7:38Speaker 3: Syndicett to lose the titles to a younger team. Well,
- 7:42Speaker 3: FTR is definitely not the younger team, and I think
- 7:45Speaker 3: he also met by younger team is somebody that maybe
- 7:48Speaker 3: he has never done it before, you know, and let's
- 7:51Speaker 3: just get somebody new in there. And Brodido is definitely
- 7:55Speaker 3: a new team. Net Let's get your thoughts on this,
- 8:06Speaker 3: I guess, and that isn't with us.
- 8:10Speaker 1: Max. Do you have the thoughts on this?
- 8:12Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean Roddo would give hurd Sin the kid.
- 8:17Speaker 10: It would be different because of course Brodido is a
- 8:21Speaker 10: bigger team. They're bigger guys than what the hurts in
- 8:23Speaker 10: the kids you've been facing as a voight, So I.
- 8:26Speaker 9: Think it would be a good I think you would
- 8:29Speaker 9: have good chemistry, and I think it would be a
- 8:31Speaker 9: good sweeper man.
- 8:34Speaker 1: Yeah, what about you? What about you, Jess?
- 8:38Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm going with Broddo too. I think it would
- 8:43Speaker 6: be the coolest precioust pick they could make. I don't
- 8:48Speaker 6: I know better than to put all my like to
- 8:51Speaker 6: bet on the fact that's going to happen, but I
- 8:53Speaker 6: really hope that it does.
- 8:55Speaker 4: I would like to I would like to justify my
- 8:57Speaker 4: FTR pick very quickly because I think one of the reasons,
- 9:04Speaker 4: like non k Thabe Adam Clopland came to AW is
- 9:09Speaker 4: to have a run with Christian Cage, And I think
- 9:14Speaker 4: they are going to defeat FTR and they're going to
- 9:16Speaker 4: retire as the World Taging Champions's that's what I believe
- 9:21Speaker 4: is gonna happen. So that's sort of why I think
- 9:25Speaker 4: they beat FTR to get those belts.
- 9:27Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, while here's my reasoning for what I said,
- 9:32Speaker 3: not FTR is because look, WWE is currently doing their
- 9:35Speaker 3: twenty twenty five Nostalgia Tour where they got forty eight
- 9:38Speaker 3: and fifty year olds going at it on the main
- 9:40Speaker 3: events of their shows. We don't need that in aaw
- 9:44Speaker 3: You could do Christian Cage and Copeland against FDR in
- 9:47Speaker 3: a non title match, and I'm non title feud if
- 9:51Speaker 3: you want, and it would be just as good. I
- 9:53Speaker 3: don't think you really need I agree with that, you know,
- 9:58Speaker 3: net Let's see if you can.
- 10:00Speaker 11: Okay, Okay, good?
- 10:03Speaker 7: Sorry, I think I lost my WiFi. I was outside
- 10:06Speaker 7: and came back in the house. I was saying that
- 10:09Speaker 7: I'd like to see Brodito win. I think that Brody
- 10:13Speaker 7: King needs some gold and I'm honestly a bit tired
- 10:19Speaker 7: of FTR in general, so I'd like to see it
- 10:24Speaker 7: on Brodido.
- 10:25Speaker 11: That's my choice.
- 10:28Speaker 3: Okay, Well, we just had Steve and Sleazy join us,
- 10:31Speaker 3: so let's go to Sleazy. We're talking about who do
- 10:33Speaker 3: we think is going to win the FTR and Brodido
- 10:37Speaker 3: match go on to face hurt Syndicate in Afterbidden Door. Also,
- 10:43Speaker 3: do you think that that team would be able to
- 10:45Speaker 3: beat Hurt Syndicate because none of us have actually said
- 10:47Speaker 3: that yet.
- 10:49Speaker 2: Well, I think Brodnido's going to win pure leave from
- 10:56Speaker 2: Adam and Copeland interference, and as for whether or not
- 11:01Speaker 2: they could beat the Hurts and get they could go
- 11:04Speaker 2: either way because the Hurts ind get they have giant,
- 11:08Speaker 2: massive muscles. Okay, that is a really hard quality to
- 11:12Speaker 2: get over. But I believe that Brodido could potentially pull
- 11:16Speaker 2: off the upset of the century.
- 11:19Speaker 1: Okay, let's go to Steve and see what you think.
- 11:25Speaker 12: I'm gonna have to say, FTR, they I think as
- 11:31Speaker 12: a tag team they work together fine, but I do
- 11:35Speaker 12: see yeah, Edge could come in and like Edge.
- 11:40Speaker 13: Or Adam Coplan, Yeah yeah, I'm so used to saying
- 11:48Speaker 13: is w name, Like I can see him like, yeah, yeah,
- 11:58Speaker 13: they like he could like come in and like just
- 12:01Speaker 13: like mess with them, kind of throw them off their
- 12:04Speaker 13: game and lose that way. I can see that happening.
- 12:06Speaker 13: But I think FTR because they're just they're more mistuh
- 12:11Speaker 13: established tag team.
- 12:14Speaker 1: Just gonna throw this out here.
- 12:16Speaker 3: Let me let me throw this out here because a
- 12:19Speaker 3: lot of people didn't say what their pick was for
- 12:21Speaker 3: forbidden or do you think that the winner of the
- 12:27Speaker 3: Brodido and FTR match is going to beat the Hurt
- 12:33Speaker 3: Syndicate real quick?
- 12:35Speaker 1: Yes or no? Yes? No, yep, no, yep.
- 12:43Speaker 3: It was like like the mented choir, That's what this
- 12:46Speaker 3: sounded like.
- 12:54Speaker 1: That just killed me. I don't know why.
- 12:57Speaker 8: F tr FTR gets over. I hope that they don't
- 13:01Speaker 8: get over on the his Hurt syndicate. But if Bronino
- 13:04Speaker 8: gets over, obviously I would I imagine that they would
- 13:07Speaker 8: get over.
- 13:08Speaker 5: I think I think they're trying to tease Brodido a
- 13:11Speaker 5: little bit, in my opinion, have them get close close,
- 13:14Speaker 5: kind of like they claimed where they claim should have
- 13:17Speaker 5: won because they're so over with swerving our glory or
- 13:21Speaker 5: whatever their name was with Keith Lee, but they didn't.
- 13:25Speaker 5: So maybe they dangle dangle the carrot in front of
- 13:29Speaker 5: us and see how we're you're act.
- 13:31Speaker 11: I'm cool with that too.
- 13:33Speaker 1: It's Jade.
- 13:34Speaker 4: What's sticking with the tag teams. We have the aforementioned
- 13:40Speaker 4: Adam Copeland and Christian Cage taking on I guess the
- 13:46Speaker 4: matriarchy at this point, Kip Sabian and Nick Wayne in
- 13:50Speaker 4: a grudge match, and I don't see there's any chance
- 13:56Speaker 4: of Copeland and Cage not winning this match.
- 13:59Speaker 3: So I thought you were going to say something different.
- 14:01Speaker 3: I was like, wow, no, I agree with you, Shades.
- 14:04Speaker 3: There's no way that cop and Cage aren't going to
- 14:06Speaker 3: win this match. Yeah, I agree, you have a better
- 14:10Speaker 3: chance of Cage turning on Copeland than you do them
- 14:14Speaker 3: losing this match.
- 14:16Speaker 11: Do you imagine?
- 14:22Speaker 4: All right, I think we have a consensus on that one.
- 14:29Speaker 4: We'll go to another match that I think there's going
- 14:32Speaker 4: to be a consensus on the TBS Championship four way
- 14:37Speaker 4: with champion Mercedes Monet representing a w Persephone representing CMLL
- 14:44Speaker 4: Alex Windsor and do we know who is representing Stardom yet?
- 14:51Speaker 3: No, but I will say this is that. Well, tomorrow morning,
- 14:56Speaker 3: early in the morning, Uh, the five Star will be
- 14:59Speaker 3: comple leaded the playoff and the quarter finals of the
- 15:02Speaker 3: five Star will be completed.
- 15:04Speaker 1: Eight Stardom wrestlers will.
- 15:07Speaker 3: Be eliminated by I don't know nine am Eastern time
- 15:11Speaker 3: tomorrow morning. Well, actually before that, I'm thinking after that
- 15:16Speaker 3: show tomorrow morning that Stardom may introduce who it's going
- 15:22Speaker 3: to be. I thought it would be sure. But if
- 15:25Speaker 3: it's surey, there's no reason why they couldn't announce it
- 15:27Speaker 3: by now, so I kind of else.
- 15:32Speaker 4: Honestly, I don't think it matters because Mercedes Money is
- 15:34Speaker 4: going to retain her title, right, no windsor not.
- 15:39Speaker 8: I'm joking, but yeah, definitely Money is going to get away, like,
- 15:42Speaker 8: no doubt about it at this point.
- 15:44Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's moment.
- 15:47Speaker 4: Forbid and stop the money training guys. She wears her
- 15:51Speaker 4: belts like a skirt like it's.
- 15:54Speaker 14: Yeah, you get in the way of that that no, no, no,
- 15:59Speaker 14: no now.
- 16:01Speaker 4: And I think we're starting to get and I think
- 16:03Speaker 4: we're gonna see this one of the I don't want
- 16:07Speaker 4: to say issues, but some of the sometimes in the past,
- 16:10Speaker 4: and I think we're singing again. With these forbidden door matchups,
- 16:14Speaker 4: the outcomes can be a little too predictable.
- 16:18Speaker 9: And I'll say that.
- 16:21Speaker 4: As we go to the iw GP World Championship match
- 16:24Speaker 4: two Hometown Boys champion Zach Saber Junior defending against Nigel McGuinness,
- 16:33Speaker 4: who I guess is gonna have Daniel Garcia in his corner,
- 16:35Speaker 4: Is that right?
- 16:36Speaker 1: Yeah?
- 16:36Speaker 8: And as like this more so being about Danny, like
- 16:41Speaker 8: there's gonna be a bomb match, like the imagine is
- 16:44Speaker 8: gonna be great, it's gonna be another tech technical spectacle
- 16:46Speaker 8: or whatever. But yeah, he's gonna be for Danny's heel
- 16:50Speaker 8: turn and he's gonna sabotage Nigel from getting that a
- 16:53Speaker 8: iw GP.
- 16:54Speaker 11: That's what I think.
- 16:56Speaker 3: I didn't I wasn't really thinking about a hell turn.
- 16:58Speaker 3: But God, there's no chance stead Nigel Beginners is beating
- 17:01Speaker 3: Zach Labor Junior.
- 17:03Speaker 1: Nor should he.
- 17:05Speaker 5: No one should beat Zach.
- 17:07Speaker 1: No, No, what should be sack?
- 17:09Speaker 4: No, No one should be Listen, he's all that, he's amazing.
- 17:17Speaker 4: Yeah what if? Oh yeah, listen. New Japan has to
- 17:33Speaker 4: ride this Zach Saber train as far as it will go,
- 17:35Speaker 4: because he's really about all they've got right now, at.
- 17:39Speaker 1: Least at least in singles, uh, bullet clubs, you know,
- 17:46Speaker 1: but I don't know. It's it's something, all.
- 17:52Speaker 4: Right, all right, So we all sort of feel feel
- 17:55Speaker 4: Zach Saberg is going to take that. Yes, yes, Another
- 18:01Speaker 4: one that I think is probably not gonna be a
- 18:03Speaker 4: surprise for most we have Kyle Fletcher defending his Team
- 18:07Speaker 4: T championship against Rome with Takahashi. That's Fletcher, all right,
- 18:13Speaker 4: I mean it's gotta be Fletcher's.
- 18:18Speaker 3: This is one of those matches that this is one
- 18:20Speaker 3: of those matches that if it goes twenty minutes, it's
- 18:24Speaker 3: probably fifteen minutes too long.
- 18:26Speaker 5: Mmm my good.
- 18:29Speaker 3: I don't think that of all the matches on this card,
- 18:34Speaker 3: I consider this the least competitive match by.
- 18:37Speaker 8: Far, I think it's gonna be a great match. I'll
- 18:42Speaker 8: say that much, but I don't want to say it.
- 18:46Speaker 8: But like, it does feel like whenever an AW talent
- 18:48Speaker 8: with a belt goes against somebody who's in another company,
- 18:52Speaker 8: it feels like a Battle of the belts, but on
- 18:54Speaker 8: a pay per view, you know, because like how many
- 18:55Speaker 8: title changes have we seen on a Battle of the belts?
- 18:58Speaker 8: How many title changes how we see between somebody out
- 19:02Speaker 8: of the company with somebody in the company.
- 19:04Speaker 11: Do you feel me?
- 19:05Speaker 1: Yeah? I get you.
- 19:10Speaker 4: Well, I'm about to blow your minds then, because the
- 19:16Speaker 4: next match I want to talk about is the a
- 19:19Speaker 4: W Women's World Championship Champion Timeless Tony Storm defending her
- 19:24Speaker 4: title against Athena. And I think Athena is walking out
- 19:28Speaker 4: of forbidden doors the AW Women's World Champion.
- 19:31Speaker 5: I hope that.
- 19:32Speaker 1: As do I think I do.
- 19:37Speaker 5: Yeah, it and it annoys mainly people said, well, she's
- 19:42Speaker 5: on such a great time and she's doing so good,
- 19:45Speaker 5: she's a women's division and stuff. Well, you know, at
- 19:48Speaker 5: some point, she's had since February and I'm kind of
- 19:52Speaker 5: wanting something different, a little more flavor to it. It's
- 19:56Speaker 5: not gonna hurt Tony Storm to lose it at all,
- 19:58Speaker 5: and I think it's time.
- 20:00Speaker 3: No, definitely is not gonna hurt Tony Storm to lose
- 20:04Speaker 3: this belt. I agree with the hundred percent.
- 20:05Speaker 2: There especially.
- 20:10Speaker 1: It's going to be a good match. Oh yeah, I
- 20:17Speaker 1: will say this is don't forget that.
- 20:20Speaker 3: A few days later, Atina has to defend the a
- 20:25Speaker 3: W Women's World Championship against Mina shear Kaala.
- 20:30Speaker 1: The ring.
- 20:34Speaker 3: Yeah, and I kind of think that baby Mina comes
- 20:40Speaker 3: away with it. Make her the face of of uh
- 20:43Speaker 3: Ring of Honor.
- 20:45Speaker 4: You're speaking my language?
- 20:51Speaker 9: Has the TV title? Give her both, but.
- 20:55Speaker 3: It's an interim title, and she's not even recognized you
- 20:59Speaker 3: know in some place.
- 21:00Speaker 1: Is it's it's weird.
- 21:03Speaker 13: Yeah, if the Theanna does lose, I means she has
- 21:09Speaker 13: a problem.
- 21:11Speaker 5: She has a problem winning big matches, and that's not
- 21:14Speaker 5: something you want your your Ring of Honor champion to
- 21:17Speaker 5: be doing. So I don't that's my issue with.
- 21:23Speaker 14: Yeah.
- 21:23Speaker 1: Put it this way.
- 21:26Speaker 4: She carried Ring of Honor, she has carried that company
- 21:29Speaker 4: for multiple years.
- 21:32Speaker 1: And she.
- 21:35Speaker 4: Did a clean job to Mercedes Monette in the Owen
- 21:39Speaker 4: Heart Tournament, which is you know, which was her first
- 21:45Speaker 4: real big opportunity to parlay all that ring of honor,
- 21:50Speaker 4: you know, Cachet into an a W major victory, and
- 21:55Speaker 4: you know she didn't get to do that so that
- 21:57Speaker 4: we could have Mercedes versus Tony. I personally think it
- 22:01Speaker 4: should have been Tony versus Athena all in Texas because
- 22:04Speaker 4: Athena is from Texas. But now that we didn't get that,
- 22:08Speaker 4: Now that we didn't get that and Athena did the job,
- 22:12Speaker 4: I think I don't want to say owed. I don't think.
- 22:16Speaker 4: I don't think anybody's owed anything. But if anyone deserves
- 22:20Speaker 4: an opportunity to win this belt at forbidden door, and
- 22:23Speaker 4: like she deserves this chance to be the champion, I
- 22:26Speaker 4: fully believe that if.
- 22:28Speaker 2: You may deserve it, but I don't think it's gonna
- 22:30Speaker 2: happen because here's the thing nobody's even mentioned. It's the
- 22:36Speaker 2: fact that she's about to reach one thousand days on
- 22:38Speaker 2: her ro OH World title right now. You may think
- 22:40Speaker 2: that makes her more of a threat to the Women's
- 22:43Speaker 2: World Champion in aw but as Shane said before, she
- 22:47Speaker 2: did a clean job to Tony Storm. So personally, in
- 22:51Speaker 2: my or, no, what was her name? The other one?
- 22:55Speaker 1: Mercedes?
- 22:56Speaker 2: Mercedes, Yes, but anyway, the.
- 22:58Speaker 15: Other one, my point stands, Yeah, GE's.
- 23:04Speaker 2: Going to do another clean job here. It's gonna be
- 23:07Speaker 2: a great match, but she's going to job and then
- 23:10Speaker 2: it'll lead into a giant storyline of.
- 23:12Speaker 4: Oh, is she going to be able to do a
- 23:14Speaker 4: thousand days or is someone finally going to take the
- 23:16Speaker 4: crown off HER's that she might be.
- 23:19Speaker 2: I think Tony's going to win.
- 23:21Speaker 1: Well.
- 23:21Speaker 4: I thought we would have some different opinions on that,
- 23:24Speaker 4: but I so we'll see. I mean, obviously, go ahead, Kelsey.
- 23:32Speaker 3: No, I just wanted to bring something up. You know,
- 23:34Speaker 3: you have the thousand days. I don't think that's important.
- 23:37Speaker 3: She's already the longest reigning Rigabanter champion men and women combined.
- 23:42Speaker 3: She passed them over Joe's record. Another thing that people
- 23:47Speaker 3: brought up are like, this is a little bit off topic,
- 23:49Speaker 3: but go back to the other one.
- 23:52Speaker 1: Mercedes Moday.
- 23:54Speaker 3: People are saying that they want to keep that belt
- 23:56Speaker 3: on her until she passes Jade Cargill. I don't believe
- 24:00Speaker 3: that's true either, because I think you're giving Jake Cargill.
- 24:03Speaker 3: Don't he cares about Jake Cargill In a w her
- 24:06Speaker 3: reign was not anywhere near as good as Mercedes Monday's rain.
- 24:11Speaker 1: I mean, come on, I agree, I agree.
- 24:16Speaker 4: There can I just say we're really spoiled in the
- 24:19Speaker 4: fact that we have two reigning women's champions in a
- 24:23Speaker 4: w who have had lengthy title reigns, and both of
- 24:26Speaker 4: them have been very, very good.
- 24:28Speaker 8: Absolutely that, And like I do want to to win
- 24:31Speaker 8: because I'm tired of paying nine to ninety nine a
- 24:34Speaker 8: month to have to watch her on R O H.
- 24:36Speaker 16: And I'm really glad that, yes you've heard it from
- 24:42Speaker 16: the AW podcast team, we're not buying the Daughter Club
- 24:47Speaker 16: anymore wins.
- 24:51Speaker 8: But you know something, I'm happy that I don't have.
- 24:54Speaker 8: You know, I could see her on HBO, Max and
- 24:57Speaker 8: whatever platforms that they stream a dynamite on you right,
- 25:01Speaker 8: seeing her on television Billy Starks too.
- 25:05Speaker 1: Yeah, I love Billy Starks.
- 25:06Speaker 11: I'd like to see more of her. So that's that's
- 25:10Speaker 11: a real plus there.
- 25:13Speaker 1: I think we have.
- 25:16Speaker 4: We have two more, we have three more matches. Actually,
- 25:18Speaker 4: we have another title match, the AW Unified Championship. Kaz
- 25:24Speaker 4: Because let me try this again, Kazuka Okata defends his
- 25:32Speaker 4: title against Swerve Strickland, and as amazing as it would
- 25:39Speaker 4: be for Swerve to go over here, and I think
- 25:44Speaker 4: in a different time and place that can happen and
- 25:47Speaker 4: maybe will happen. I don't think it's happening at Forbidden Door.
- 25:50Speaker 2: A well, I don't mean to swerve the conversation, but
- 25:54Speaker 2: I think Swerve's gonna take the victory here just to
- 25:58Speaker 2: kind of start the slow and eventual collapse of Kaza's
- 26:02Speaker 2: thumb and and silvered them in card Rain.
- 26:06Speaker 1: Well, No, I agree with Jay's swears not winning this,
- 26:12Speaker 1: absolutely not.
- 26:13Speaker 4: He just want match with Kenny Omega. He's not going
- 26:18Speaker 4: to turn around and lose it at the next payer view.
- 26:21Speaker 4: I just don't see that happening.
- 26:23Speaker 7: Don Callus has a lot more paintings in him, so
- 26:27Speaker 7: I think is.
- 26:28Speaker 11: Definitely gonna win.
- 26:34Speaker 4: I can't wait to see that painting.
- 26:36Speaker 5: See.
- 26:36Speaker 11: I'm on the edge of my seat, so let's.
- 26:42Speaker 5: But you're here, I am no.
- 26:48Speaker 8: I feel like somebody somebody said, for like one of
- 26:50Speaker 8: the other championship, I think it was for the tag
- 26:53Speaker 8: match because the hurt syndicate, like it might lead to
- 26:56Speaker 8: a story later down the line. But I don't think
- 26:59Speaker 8: that's where it was going to get over this time around.
- 27:00Speaker 8: Not not in like because like uh, like Shade said earlier,
- 27:04Speaker 8: like Okada is like the face of New Japan. Even
- 27:07Speaker 8: though he's aw, he's all elite right now, Like he's
- 27:10Speaker 8: still kind of like associated with uh New Japan. So
- 27:14Speaker 8: like you can't really do that here in this paper
- 27:18Speaker 8: kind of thing, you know, right, all right?
- 27:22Speaker 4: We have big Yeah, we got the big daddy the
- 27:26Speaker 4: aw Men's World Championship Hangman Adam Page defending against m JF.
- 27:32Speaker 4: And I'm torn because I think Hangman probably should win
- 27:42Speaker 4: and probably will win, But I kind of would like
- 27:46Speaker 4: to see the meltdown if MJFB him the belt, like
- 27:52Speaker 4: the actual meltdown in the community.
- 27:54Speaker 14: Like what.
- 27:56Speaker 8: If I if I see that dynamite diamond ring on
- 27:59Speaker 8: that boy finger at any point in the match and
- 28:01Speaker 8: want to get up and turn off my TV, Like
- 28:03Speaker 8: I I lose it if he like, because that's the
- 28:06Speaker 8: only way I could see him winning and getting over
- 28:09Speaker 8: Hangman is if he cheats, you know, and does the
- 28:11Speaker 8: heelish thing that he does, the sleazy MJF thing, and
- 28:13Speaker 8: he does, you know, and wams him inside the head
- 28:16Speaker 8: with that uh dynamite diamond ring, you know.
- 28:20Speaker 11: But that's the only way, and I'll be pissed off
- 28:23Speaker 11: if I.
- 28:23Speaker 17: See that this match did the did what I never
- 28:28Speaker 17: thought it would make me do, and made me call
- 28:31Speaker 17: this pay per view interesting, which I have never done before.
- 28:35Speaker 17: I'm honest to God, do not know who is going
- 28:38Speaker 17: to win.
- 28:39Speaker 4: This is amazing.
- 28:40Speaker 17: It may be called forbidden Door interesting, This is huge.
- 28:45Speaker 5: This is not the match for me to Yeah, I
- 28:48Speaker 5: feel that, well, this is the least interesting match for me.
- 28:51Speaker 5: I just I don't know it's JAF lately or what
- 28:54Speaker 5: it is, but I'm not I know, hang Ma's probably
- 28:57Speaker 5: gonna win because he's not gonna go through all that
- 28:59Speaker 5: pain taking stuff with the death risings and say, oh
- 29:02Speaker 5: here you go, MJF, just take it. Why don't you didn't?
- 29:06Speaker 5: I don't see that happening.
- 29:08Speaker 3: Yeah, well, look at the ninety second anniversary of CML.
- 29:12Speaker 3: MGF is going to lose the CML CMLL Championship to Mistico,
- 29:17Speaker 3: and that would be the second championship match he's lost
- 29:20Speaker 3: in the span of two weeks.
- 29:22Speaker 1: Because he's not going to win this match either.
- 29:25Speaker 4: Nope, he's not.
- 29:27Speaker 7: No, I don't see him winning.
- 29:31Speaker 4: The question because what happens late after I look, where
- 29:35Speaker 4: do these two go afterward? Are they going to continue
- 29:38Speaker 4: their program because I don't see MJF just letting this
- 29:41Speaker 4: go if he loses this match. I think this feud
- 29:44Speaker 4: might ultimately result in MJF becoming the champion, but just
- 29:49Speaker 4: not yet.
- 29:50Speaker 1: I agree.
- 29:54Speaker 3: Yeah, the only other thing that could happen is MGF.
- 29:57Speaker 3: If he does win this, he'll lose it back to
- 30:01Speaker 3: Hangman in ten days. That they've done that before. Somebody
- 30:09Speaker 3: brought up Swerving Our Glory and the Acclaimed If you remember,
- 30:12Speaker 3: Acclaimed lost the Swerve in Our Glory and then shortly
- 30:17Speaker 3: afterward One won it back.
- 30:19Speaker 4: So I really hope we don't start heart hot shotting
- 30:22Speaker 4: world title like that.
- 30:24Speaker 11: I don't.
- 30:24Speaker 4: That's a very double thing to do.
- 30:26Speaker 1: I don't like that either.
- 30:28Speaker 3: Yeah, I just don't. I think this is the wrong
- 30:31Speaker 3: time to be doing this match. I think needed a
- 30:34Speaker 3: I think it needed a bigger build.
- 30:35Speaker 1: And I said that last week too. Yeah, and Hang Matt.
- 30:38Speaker 3: Probably would have been better, sir participating in the lights
- 30:41Speaker 3: out match.
- 30:43Speaker 7: That's where I'd like to see him and see the
- 30:45Speaker 7: lights out match.
- 30:46Speaker 4: I agree over there and can together about the lights
- 30:50Speaker 4: out match. We've got the Death Writers, Gabe Kid and
- 30:55Speaker 4: the Young Bucks taking on Darby Allen, Roshi Tanahashi, will Spray,
- 31:00Speaker 4: Kenny Omega and newly signed to a contract extension Coda
- 31:06Speaker 4: AbuI What I mean, how many matches did he wrestle
- 31:11Speaker 4: on his first contract with the a W three.
- 31:15Speaker 7: He's gonna ride that bicycle.
- 31:17Speaker 1: Should ride the bicycle down with a jow. Yeah, he'sows. Yeah.
- 31:23Speaker 3: Look, the death Riders are the Heels, if you will,
- 31:27Speaker 3: let's just call them the Heels are.
- 31:29Speaker 1: Going to kill these guys. I mean, you've got a
- 31:31Speaker 1: guy that you know is basically less. You know, she.
- 31:45Speaker 14: Has no knees, Ospray has no neck, Kenny Omega has
- 31:49Speaker 14: no abdomen, is a walking calamity, and Darby Allen, Darby
- 31:58Speaker 14: Allen might be the most physically together a person on
- 32:03Speaker 14: that team, which tells you everything you need to know.
- 32:08Speaker 3: There's something wrong with the Face team, like every other
- 32:12Speaker 3: one was like, you know, I think that I don't
- 32:16Speaker 3: think there's I don't think there's any mystery behind who's
- 32:20Speaker 3: going to win this match. I mean it's got to
- 32:22Speaker 3: be it's got to be the Heels. The only mystery
- 32:25Speaker 3: of this is what Choliber is gonna say. As far
- 32:28Speaker 3: as how many feet I've ever removed.
- 32:38Speaker 4: Yeah, as you know, fifteen miles of Kenny Omega's and
- 32:43Speaker 4: testing was removed.
- 32:48Speaker 1: It's like it's feet.
- 32:56Speaker 7: Remember I had a mild case of the Victor lightis
- 33:01Speaker 7: and it extended on to where he was near comatose.
- 33:05Speaker 11: So it's just never ends.
- 33:10Speaker 3: No, I mean, at this point, I don't know if
- 33:15Speaker 3: this whole thing was k fab or not. I really don't,
- 33:17Speaker 3: you know, It's it's weird.
- 33:19Speaker 4: I just I want to see Sperry walk down to
- 33:21Speaker 4: the ring holding his neck, and then Candy holding his stomach,
- 33:25Speaker 4: and Hashi walking bow legged and.
- 33:33Speaker 3: Wheelchair Darby Allen walking out, and just instead of hopping
- 33:39Speaker 3: into the ring, he just plants himself fa first, face
- 33:42Speaker 3: first into the ring post.
- 33:44Speaker 11: Just for the hell off the top of the cane,
- 33:47Speaker 11: you know, Oh goodness, that man is Yeah, that's right.
- 34:03Speaker 11: No one can see anything.
- 34:06Speaker 4: Nzy says in chat. I wonder how they're going to
- 34:09Speaker 4: disrespect the bucks this time, And I'm like, I don't know,
- 34:12Speaker 4: but I tell you what I hope will eventually come
- 34:18Speaker 4: from this is I think they're teasing a breakup of
- 34:22Speaker 4: the box.
- 34:23Speaker 11: You think so.
- 34:26Speaker 1: That would.
- 34:30Speaker 4: Listen think I just want to throw this out here.
- 34:33Speaker 4: What is the Bucks have done everything. They've done everything.
- 34:37Speaker 4: What's the one story they've not done? A breakup?
- 34:41Speaker 1: That's true.
- 34:43Speaker 4: And if you look there is when Don Kallus approached them,
- 34:48Speaker 4: there is a picture of him hugging the Bucks and
- 34:53Speaker 4: you know Nick Jackson looking at Mac Jackson kind of
- 34:56Speaker 4: weird and Mac Jackson really embracing Don call Us. They
- 35:00Speaker 4: took the same picture with Don Kallis hugging Kyle Fletcher
- 35:05Speaker 4: and Will Osprey. Wow, I'll see if I can find it.
- 35:13Speaker 4: But it's it's a lot of foreshadowing.
- 35:15Speaker 1: It's that Wow, That's that's a deep dive right there.
- 35:20Speaker 3: You know what what I you know, what I'd like
- 35:22Speaker 3: to see is on Dynamite tomorrow from Glasgow. I'd like
- 35:26Speaker 3: to see them have like a promotion with the Bucks.
- 35:29Speaker 3: But they dead in the audio and they put subtitles
- 35:33Speaker 3: up which are clearly not what they're saying.
- 35:36Speaker 1: And I think that would just be the greatest way
- 35:38Speaker 1: to lead it to.
- 35:38Speaker 4: The fantastic.
- 35:47Speaker 3: Yeah, for the first adult Schwartzenegger movie, that was hysterical.
- 35:51Speaker 3: If you don't get a chance, go look at that that.
- 35:54Speaker 3: I mean, you know, Arnold Schwartzedger. I'm got the Jim
- 35:58Speaker 3: and I am, you know, he's just speaking perfect English
- 36:01Speaker 3: and I'm it's it's hysterical knowing what we know.
- 36:03Speaker 9: Now.
- 36:04Speaker 1: Anyway, Well, now.
- 36:08Speaker 4: That we've talked about the main card, what do you
- 36:11Speaker 4: guys think there's going to be, well what what do
- 36:13Speaker 4: you think is going to be added to zero hour
- 36:15Speaker 4: match wise? Do you think we're going to get a
- 36:16Speaker 4: zero hour like.
- 36:17Speaker 1: What we definitely we will get.
- 36:20Speaker 3: Here's what I hope happened either on Dynamite or Collision
- 36:24Speaker 3: this week. I would love to see Tekla come out
- 36:28Speaker 3: and challenge Cosmic Angels or Empress, Nexus, Venus whomever to
- 36:35Speaker 3: a you know, triangle of madness against three of the.
- 36:41Speaker 1: Idols from stardom. I think that would be a really
- 36:45Speaker 1: good zero hour match and it.
- 36:48Speaker 3: Would be something that we sit for that and that
- 36:50Speaker 3: would be something that would get start Stardom fans in
- 36:53Speaker 3: Japanese fans invested in Forbidden Door and maybe get some
- 36:57Speaker 3: sell by byes from that as well.
- 37:05Speaker 4: And they also have any wish list zero hour matches?
- 37:08Speaker 5: No what.
- 37:17Speaker 1: Everybody talked to once.
- 37:19Speaker 9: Okay, so Techwan and triangle challenging.
- 37:23Speaker 1: It would obviously have.
- 37:24Speaker 9: To be caused by Angels because twas the idle, the
- 37:28Speaker 9: whole idole thing in Japan. It would be funny though.
- 37:33Speaker 3: Yeah, but if it was Eres Nexus Venus, that would
- 37:36Speaker 3: mean that maybe you could get uh Mina.
- 37:39Speaker 1: Shere A Cow involved because that was her old group.
- 37:43Speaker 1: You can't even have a mish mash. You don't have
- 37:44Speaker 1: to go with just one group.
- 37:47Speaker 3: So I mean, I just think it would be a
- 37:49Speaker 3: great match for starting fans to see and maybe do
- 37:54Speaker 3: a buy in for Forbidden Door.
- 37:57Speaker 2: And here's a match I think they could happened.
- 38:00Speaker 15: So Platinum Max is making his International Challenge International, right,
- 38:06Speaker 15: so he gets put on zero hour, They do the
- 38:09Speaker 15: very stupid chant that is incredibly annoying and has a
- 38:12Speaker 15: low quality T shirt and then who.
- 38:15Speaker 1: Who else comes out? But Ward Low? It's Genies. Yeah,
- 38:21Speaker 1: Wardlow could be good. I don't know.
- 38:30Speaker 9: Oh, give me Bonzilla in the TVs title match as
- 38:34Speaker 9: the stardom representative.
- 38:36Speaker 3: Now that that wouldn't work. She's just she's too green.
- 38:42Speaker 3: She's too green. She's at the ring with veterans here.
- 38:46Speaker 3: She could should be out of place. I don't think
- 38:48Speaker 3: she could work it in terms of.
- 38:50Speaker 9: That of the stardom representative. Then give me az M
- 38:53Speaker 9: or give me momo.
- 38:56Speaker 1: Uh it makes sense, like kid in this chat.
- 39:02Speaker 4: I'm sorry, So is there no love for the Starlight
- 39:06Speaker 4: Kid in this chat?
- 39:07Speaker 5: Well?
- 39:07Speaker 1: Yeah, everybody was a Startlight Kid.
- 39:09Speaker 3: But the fact of the matter is Starlight Kids already
- 39:11Speaker 3: booked for a match at Segura. Uh right, but she's
- 39:16Speaker 3: already booked for a match that day as is That's boy. Yeah,
- 39:20Speaker 3: Starlight Kid, that's a poise Serrie, and I can't remember
- 39:26Speaker 3: there's one other from stardom.
- 39:30Speaker 1: Yeah, since it's in England. What about the Priestley?
- 39:36Speaker 3: No, not based on what she's been doing, she's not
- 39:44Speaker 3: that she's not signed to start them, so that kind
- 39:47Speaker 3: of eliminates here right there.
- 39:48Speaker 1: But she's had some awful matches in that five star
- 39:52Speaker 1: So I have I have another great idea for a
- 39:54Speaker 1: zero Adam match.
- 39:58Speaker 2: Jack Perry versus Griff Garrett.
- 40:00Speaker 1: Oh damn it, we're editing that.
- 40:10Speaker 7: Who You're worse than me? Because I was gonna say
- 40:14Speaker 7: my favorite Eddie Kingston just come out and Entertainments.
- 40:19Speaker 11: I didn't want to say it first. I didn't want to.
- 40:26Speaker 4: Max challenges to be Eddie Kingston.
- 40:33Speaker 3: Eddie Kingston comes to the rain, grabs a mic and
- 40:36Speaker 3: farts the a b c's only on Forbidden Doors zero hour.
- 40:40Speaker 7: All right, he does chops to Platinum Max to the
- 40:49Speaker 7: beat of let's go Max, You're the best wrestler.
- 40:54Speaker 8: In Look man, the whole heel side. That age match
- 41:00Speaker 8: already looks like a dinner bell for Kingston. Like you know,
- 41:03Speaker 8: I'm already, I feel it. I'm going to the E
- 41:06Speaker 8: c W shows.
- 41:07Speaker 11: I'm coping. I'm excited. I feel it. It's in the air,
- 41:10Speaker 11: like it's you know, I'm excited. I hope so was.
- 41:15Speaker 1: Everybody here knows. I love Eddie Kingston.
- 41:21Speaker 4: I just want I think he shaved that beard too.
- 41:24Speaker 4: I think he's ready.
- 41:25Speaker 8: Yeah, he said that he's just waiting on Tony Kahn Sosa.
- 41:32Speaker 5: Maybe maybe Tony can just itnitely, forget about him, just.
- 41:37Speaker 4: Just just come out to Platinum Mexico. You preap what
- 41:45Speaker 4: you sow Patna?
- 41:55Speaker 7: All right?
- 41:56Speaker 1: Did I tell you what these nuts?
- 41:58Speaker 4: All right, let's let's go on to pot pourri and
- 42:02Speaker 4: I'll get this started. There's some news out there, some
- 42:10Speaker 4: rumors that when his current aaw Dill is up, that
- 42:16Speaker 4: Chris Jericho might make his way back to WWE. And
- 42:20Speaker 4: I don't want to talk about WW but here's what
- 42:22Speaker 4: I want to say. If that happens, fine, I don't.
- 42:28Speaker 4: I don't want to see anyone, you know. I get
- 42:33Speaker 4: that Jericho's character has kind of gotten a little stale,
- 42:35Speaker 4: and I get that he's maybe run his course in AW.
- 42:40Speaker 4: But let's be very very clear, Chris Jericho signing with
- 42:46Speaker 4: this company and being its first world champion is a major,
- 42:51Speaker 4: major reason why it was able to establish a foothold.
- 42:54Speaker 4: And so I will if he leaves and goes to WWE,
- 42:58Speaker 4: I'll say happy trails that thanks for everything, Chris, and
- 43:02Speaker 4: that'll be it. Like I'm not going to trash him
- 43:04Speaker 4: on the way out the door. And so I hope
- 43:08Speaker 4: that that is the attitude of AW fans if that happens.
- 43:15Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I agree with you.
- 43:16Speaker 3: I mean, at this point, I think Chris Jericho is
- 43:18Speaker 3: a WWE wrestler. I don't think you are a sports entertainer.
- 43:21Speaker 3: I don't think he's an AW wrestler at this point
- 43:24Speaker 3: because he hasn't been on anything for what four months,
- 43:28Speaker 3: almost almost four months now, Since I don't I.
- 43:32Speaker 5: Don't see it as a smart move for him. But
- 43:33Speaker 5: if he wants to do it, go for it. I
- 43:36Speaker 5: don't I don't know how friendly he is with Paul
- 43:40Speaker 5: to me and Alavenders all the interviews I've seen him,
- 43:43Speaker 5: and he seems like a vinced guy. So I don't know.
- 43:48Speaker 5: I think there's more roles for him besides ring and
- 43:52Speaker 5: besides wrestling her new commentary, he could do a lot
- 43:54Speaker 5: of stuff.
- 43:55Speaker 1: We also don't forget about Fozzy.
- 43:58Speaker 3: If he does sign with WWE, is he going to
- 44:01Speaker 3: be able to record a tour with you know these
- 44:05Speaker 3: how many Grammys have they won?
- 44:09Speaker 4: None?
- 44:12Speaker 9: No one?
- 44:19Speaker 8: Would he still even run the cruise of Jericho if
- 44:21Speaker 8: he went to the WW Yeah.
- 44:23Speaker 6: What Happenstan?
- 44:26Speaker 4: They're gonna want twenty five percent of the gate on
- 44:28Speaker 4: that is what?
- 44:29Speaker 1: Oh my god?
- 44:30Speaker 8: He charges like thirteen dollars for you to get a
- 44:33Speaker 8: something like a handmade guitar and you get to ask
- 44:36Speaker 8: him a question or something.
- 44:39Speaker 4: And I was like, what.
- 44:42Speaker 5: If he wanted to leave?
- 44:43Speaker 8: Like if anybody wants to work at another company that
- 44:46Speaker 8: isn't aw let them. You know, I'm pretty sure we're
- 44:50Speaker 8: gonna talk about that later. But with Jericho, like I
- 44:53Speaker 8: could totally see him going back home, you know, like
- 44:56Speaker 8: that was his whole gimmick too. He was the sports entertainer,
- 44:59Speaker 8: like uh, with the Jericho Appreciation Society, with the whole
- 45:02Speaker 8: Danny Garcia thing about whether or not he was a
- 45:04Speaker 8: sports entertainer or a professional wrestler. And ADEW has made
- 45:08Speaker 8: its stance that it is professional wrestling and not sports entertainment.
- 45:12Speaker 8: So there's really absolutely no space for Jericho anymore, like
- 45:16Speaker 8: Shade said, But also like Shade said, he is integral
- 45:20Speaker 8: to the history of ADEW. He will always be the
- 45:23Speaker 8: inaugural AW World Champion and nothing can change that. You know,
- 45:27Speaker 8: he established a lot of talents like Daddy Magic and
- 45:31Speaker 8: a cool hand ind and Danny Garcia. A lot of
- 45:33Speaker 8: cool people came out of Santana and Artiz. They were
- 45:36Speaker 8: in the Inner Circle. I loved the Cody, Uh, mister
- 45:40Speaker 8: Kay said, but yeah, Sammy, Yeah.
- 45:44Speaker 5: But has to stop for Yeah, there's a lot of
- 45:50Speaker 5: Jericho slander going on and stuff. And look, he put
- 45:54Speaker 5: over Orange Cassidy when he didn't have to, because at
- 45:56Speaker 5: first he didn't understand the Van's gimmick, but he got it.
- 45:59Speaker 5: And he's done a lot for this company, whether you
- 46:03Speaker 5: like his character or not. And I think his part
- 46:05Speaker 5: in Brawl Out help with you know, Tony didn't know
- 46:10Speaker 5: what to do. I think Jericho helped in that situation too,
- 46:13Speaker 5: So he he's great. I don't see a place in WWE.
- 46:17Speaker 5: I don't see a match where I really want him
- 46:20Speaker 5: to face anybody. So I don't know what he's going
- 46:22Speaker 5: to do over there. Maybe it's a one off. I
- 46:24Speaker 5: don't know, but at some point he deserves his flowers
- 46:29Speaker 5: and people need to quit billy aching about him burying people,
- 46:32Speaker 5: which he never buried anybody.
- 46:34Speaker 1: Well, I think that was what the point that Shades
- 46:37Speaker 1: made initially is that, Yeah, the only thing.
- 46:40Speaker 4: The only thing I will say is the one thing
- 46:43Speaker 4: Chris Jericho asked people to do when he won the belt,
- 46:46Speaker 4: and I'll just say thank you, Chris Jericho. So I think, Kay,
- 46:51Speaker 4: you mentioned another talent who might want to work at
- 46:55Speaker 4: another company. Do you want to expound on that?
- 46:58Speaker 8: Oh, my man, darn Housen. Look, I love Dan Housen,
- 47:03Speaker 8: and I understand, Well I don't. I don't understand because
- 47:07Speaker 8: it's not my business. But with the adding of the
- 47:10Speaker 8: injury time because he wants to leave, he hasn't been
- 47:13Speaker 8: booked and god knows how long, and I feel like
- 47:17Speaker 8: it might have to do.
- 47:18Speaker 11: With, you know, merchandising. Stuff.
- 47:20Speaker 8: Because when you look, every time they post the stats
- 47:23Speaker 8: on aw merchandise, he's usually number three and he hasn't
- 47:26Speaker 8: even been on television and god knows how long, you know,
- 47:29Speaker 8: and they're holding on to him, and he wants to leave,
- 47:32Speaker 8: and I think, let him. You know, we already had
- 47:35Speaker 8: the bs with Ray Phoenix when he's like posting about
- 47:39Speaker 8: how he's suffocating, excuse me, how he's suffocating and dying,
- 47:42Speaker 8: and how he wants to get out of this company,
- 47:43Speaker 8: you know, like a wounded animal in the corner like that.
- 47:46Speaker 8: You know, that sucked having to watch that happen for months.
- 47:50Speaker 8: I want to want to see Dan, like Dan hous
- 47:53Speaker 8: is doing great on the indies right now. That man's
- 47:55Speaker 8: paid some of my bills, you know, because he's commissioned
- 47:57Speaker 8: me to make stuff for him. And I thought that
- 47:59Speaker 8: was really cool. Like I think he should leave. I think,
- 48:02Speaker 8: you know, I think he should if he wants to
- 48:04Speaker 8: go and have bygones, be bygones.
- 48:05Speaker 1: Let him, you know, with that house.
- 48:07Speaker 3: And he's done nothing really but curse people, and he's
- 48:10Speaker 3: had what two mediocre matches. But I think the biggest
- 48:15Speaker 3: thing with what you said that the takeaway is, look
- 48:18Speaker 3: at Ray Phoenix, bad mouthing a W, and AW just
- 48:23Speaker 3: kept him away from AWW as long as they can go.
- 48:27Speaker 3: Dan Houses has been bad mouthing aw.
- 48:32Speaker 4: A.
- 48:32Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he has constantly and and we've just got
- 48:38Speaker 3: aw just getting him. Whatever did you look at somebody
- 48:42Speaker 3: like Malachi Black Alistair Black. He was very open up front.
- 48:48Speaker 3: You know, I've heard that he communicated the Tony Kahn.
- 48:52Speaker 3: He wanted his release, he got released. No arguments from
- 48:56Speaker 3: Tony con. It's Tony con strikes me as like, if
- 48:59Speaker 3: you are respectful to not only him but the company,
- 49:04Speaker 3: he should to take care of you.
- 49:05Speaker 1: Whatever way.
- 49:07Speaker 4: Yes, the page is another one ethan page with the
- 49:09Speaker 4: Tony Cohn said, Hey, I think I think I could
- 49:13Speaker 4: do better elsewhere, and I really want a chance to
- 49:16Speaker 4: go wrestle somewhere else and Tony kNN just said okay,
- 49:19Speaker 4: and he ended up NXT the next week.
- 49:21Speaker 5: You know, draw of of Dan Hassen as a wrestler.
- 49:25Speaker 5: I think he's a great comedic guy. I think he
- 49:28Speaker 5: would be great at backstage or or shanigans and stuff
- 49:31Speaker 5: like that, but I don't I don't think he's it.
- 49:35Speaker 5: He's great at merchandise, He's a great I don't know.
- 49:38Speaker 5: He's just not somebody I want in AW anymore.
- 49:42Speaker 4: Guys, here's the deal here, here is the bottom line
- 49:46Speaker 4: the deal. W WING has made it clear. They've aught,
- 49:54Speaker 4: They have stated openly that their goal is to put
- 49:58Speaker 4: a W out of business. They have engaged in you know,
- 50:05Speaker 4: crappy business practices, contract hampering, you name it. They have
- 50:09Speaker 4: done everything they can to try to undermine AW. When
- 50:13Speaker 4: someone's pointing a gun at you, you don't hand them
- 50:16Speaker 4: another bullet. And it's unfortunate for Dan Housen that he's
- 50:22Speaker 4: in this situation. But WWE is the one who has
- 50:26Speaker 4: created the environment where Tony Kahn has to protect his business.
- 50:30Speaker 4: WWE has done that.
- 50:33Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question.
- 50:35Speaker 3: Let me ask you a question. Shades Aw just recently
- 50:40Speaker 3: signed Ace Austin. Would you say, I'm gonna ask you
- 50:44Speaker 3: two questions. First question is would you say that A's
- 50:47Speaker 3: Austen is a better wrestler.
- 50:49Speaker 4: Than Dan Housen without question?
- 50:52Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 50:53Speaker 3: The second question is how many Dan wait a minute,
- 50:56Speaker 3: how many Dan Housen's would it take the equal one
- 51:00Speaker 3: Ace Austin.
- 51:01Speaker 1: I would say probably around forty or so.
- 51:04Speaker 5: Forty, But we don't need any David.
- 51:07Speaker 4: No, I don't think that's the math you can look at, though.
- 51:09Speaker 4: I think you have to look at the fact that
- 51:11Speaker 4: what they're gonna do if he releases Dan Housen today,
- 51:15Speaker 4: he's gonna get signed tomorrow. They're gonna put him on nxteam,
- 51:19Speaker 4: which is probably the one play. Like we talk about
- 51:22Speaker 4: we make fun of Mariah may Slash, Blake Monroe and
- 51:24Speaker 4: all these other people getting relegated to NXT, NXT is
- 51:27Speaker 4: actually a place where Dan Housen can thrive. I think
- 51:31Speaker 4: that could be a really great spot for him. And
- 51:33Speaker 4: if that happens, it's gonna be They're gonna stick it
- 51:36Speaker 4: to aw every week. It's gonna be some tongue in
- 51:38Speaker 4: cheek comment, it's gonna be everything they can and that's
- 51:43Speaker 4: going to happen anyway, unfortunately. But you just can't. I
- 51:49Speaker 4: think it's bad. It's a bad precedent to set number one,
- 51:53Speaker 4: when a guy's bad mouth in your company, to give
- 51:56Speaker 4: him what he wants. And number two, like, you can't
- 52:00Speaker 4: be the nice guy in an environment where nobody else
- 52:05Speaker 4: is the nice guy or you're gonna get walked all over.
- 52:07Speaker 4: And that WWE. If WWE was a more reasonable business
- 52:13Speaker 4: entity and just focused on its own stuff and didn't
- 52:16Speaker 4: try to undermine AW encounter program and do all these
- 52:20Speaker 4: things to like explicitly put it out of business. Then yeah,
- 52:23Speaker 4: things might be different, you know, but they're not so.
- 52:27Speaker 4: Tony Kahn first and foremost has a business to protect.
- 52:30Speaker 4: How many people does he employ? How many you know
- 52:33Speaker 4: what I'm saying.
- 52:33Speaker 8: He can't.
- 52:34Speaker 4: He can't just think about what's best for Dan Housen.
- 52:36Speaker 4: He's got to think about what's best for all the
- 52:38Speaker 4: restorers who are on his roster, all of the people
- 52:40Speaker 4: who work in production, all that stuff.
- 52:43Speaker 3: Well, I'm just saying is that if somebody like Dan
- 52:46Speaker 3: Housen went to WW tomorrow, I don't think it would
- 52:49Speaker 3: in any way, shape or form hurt AW, other than
- 52:53Speaker 3: maybe in the merchandising.
- 52:54Speaker 1: But let me say this.
- 52:56Speaker 3: Of the last eight signees in twenty twenty five that
- 53:02Speaker 3: AAW has gotten, none of them have ever wrestled in WWE.
- 53:07Speaker 3: That's important. The other thing is that they're considerably younger
- 53:11Speaker 3: and more experienced than what ww's Look, this is what
- 53:16Speaker 3: I'm saying, you know, on the AAW side, Look five
- 53:19Speaker 3: seven years from now. I think I said this last week.
- 53:22Speaker 3: Guys like FTR Adam Copeland, maybe Christian Cage, Kenny Omega
- 53:27Speaker 3: and others are not going to be with a w anymore.
- 53:31Speaker 3: But they've got guys like swer Strickland and hang Met,
- 53:34Speaker 3: Adam Page and will Osbry and Kyle fletcherd It can
- 53:38Speaker 3: step up and take those spots, no problem right now.
- 53:43Speaker 1: Right now, they could do that.
- 53:45Speaker 3: The problem is is that, I mean, look at what's
- 53:51Speaker 3: going on with the WWE's supposed matchup for August twentieth,
- 53:58Speaker 3: John Cena and Brock Lesner. That's two forty eight year
- 54:03Speaker 3: old men that are part timers that are in the
- 54:06Speaker 3: main event. You know, this is what I'm saying. AW
- 54:11Speaker 3: is going younger, but not just younger as far as
- 54:16Speaker 3: developmental talent. They're going younger with experience and even their
- 54:22Speaker 3: developmental talent that they had in the AAW dark days.
- 54:27Speaker 3: You're getting along with these people that actually have experience.
- 54:32Speaker 1: Now.
- 54:33Speaker 3: You know, you could look especially in the women's division
- 54:35Speaker 3: Sky Blue, Julia Hart, you know some people like that.
- 54:39Speaker 3: They're talking about people that have experience and WWE. If
- 54:44Speaker 3: you look at the ed XT roster, they have some
- 54:46Speaker 3: young people on NXT roster that I've never heard of
- 54:51Speaker 3: and can't Remember if I've ever heard of mat even
- 54:54Speaker 3: having a match, you know, I mean a legitimate match,
- 54:58Speaker 3: not a squash, but a legitimate match.
- 55:00Speaker 1: See, this is what I'm saying.
- 55:02Speaker 3: AW needs to keep on doing what they're doing right now,
- 55:05Speaker 3: building and developing the younger talent and giving them ample experience,
- 55:10Speaker 3: not just squash matches.
- 55:12Speaker 1: And that's what they're doing.
- 55:14Speaker 3: And five seven years from now, like I said, when
- 55:18Speaker 3: these AW wrestlers are no longer going to be with
- 55:22Speaker 3: the company like FDR and Kenny Omega and Adam Copeland
- 55:25Speaker 3: and then you know whatnot.
- 55:28Speaker 1: You have experienced backups that can pick it up.
- 55:31Speaker 3: And they're doing it now, So why can't they do
- 55:35Speaker 3: it five seven years from now? They're going to be
- 55:36Speaker 3: in their prime. You see what I'm saying. So you
- 55:40Speaker 3: know that's the thing. It's a revolving door. I think
- 55:44Speaker 3: I said this last week. The report was is that
- 55:47Speaker 3: basically the average WWE viewer is ten years older than
- 55:53Speaker 3: the average AW viewer. Why is that because they grew
- 55:59Speaker 3: up watching these same guys that are in WWE. And
- 56:04Speaker 3: I jokingly mentioned the WWE twenty twenty five nostalgia Tour,
- 56:09Speaker 3: meaning that they've gotten all these older wrestlers wrestling in
- 56:13Speaker 3: main events all over the place. You know, seem punk,
- 56:17Speaker 3: you know whatever. I mean, they're not young bucks anymore.
- 56:22Speaker 3: Part of the pun and a at A w to
- 56:27Speaker 3: put on these matches with younger guys Hagman, Adam Page
- 56:32Speaker 3: and MJF. Come on, I mean, look at that. Those
- 56:38Speaker 3: those are younger guys that five from seven years five
- 56:41Speaker 3: to seven years from now are still going to be
- 56:43Speaker 3: in their prime.
- 56:44Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 56:46Speaker 4: I agree the Aws positioned better right now than probably
- 56:51Speaker 4: they have been hit. And I agree that their future
- 56:53Speaker 4: is bright. And I think one of the reasons they
- 56:56Speaker 4: are that way is because Tony has been really smart
- 56:58Speaker 4: with how he's running his business.
- 57:00Speaker 1: And so.
- 57:02Speaker 4: I think if Tony feels that he needs to keep
- 57:05Speaker 4: a contract going, if that, like, I trust his ability
- 57:09Speaker 4: to manage his business. Let me put it that way.
- 57:13Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to I want to come up with
- 57:15Speaker 3: my potpourri. It's just not really a discussion topic. It's
- 57:18Speaker 3: really just a comment. It just wanted to say congratulations
- 57:21Speaker 3: to Naomi and Jimmy Usol because they just announced that
- 57:25Speaker 3: they are expecting their first child together.
- 57:28Speaker 1: I think it's great.
- 57:29Speaker 3: I'm really I'm Naomi and I'm really happy that Naomi's
- 57:35Speaker 3: quote unquote injury that kept her from being cleared is
- 57:39Speaker 3: not something serious but something amazing.
- 57:45Speaker 5: I think you called it actually when it first happened,
- 57:49Speaker 5: you were thinking pregnancy.
- 57:54Speaker 3: Well, I know that she had said that she wanted
- 57:56Speaker 3: to start a family, and there were some there were
- 57:59Speaker 3: some is ses. I don't want to get into it
- 58:01Speaker 3: because it's none of my damn business in door hours,
- 58:04Speaker 3: but there were some issues preventing her from starting that family,
- 58:08Speaker 3: and obviously that has been rectified. And I just really
- 58:13Speaker 3: hope that have a beautiful baby boy or baby girl
- 58:17Speaker 3: and have a happy family together.
- 58:20Speaker 1: Put it that way. I had anybody else with the puffery,
- 58:25Speaker 1: go ahead, I have one.
- 58:28Speaker 11: I got to.
- 58:29Speaker 5: I watched clips of Triple Mania, and I'm gonna say
- 58:34Speaker 5: something I don't say about w about the stuff it was.
- 58:38Speaker 5: It was very good, and WWE made Lucha Leebray a
- 58:45Speaker 5: little bit more relevant and a lot of goofy stuff
- 58:47Speaker 5: and fun stuff. But on the flip side of that,
- 58:49Speaker 5: I don't want to hear any more WWE fans complaining
- 58:52Speaker 5: about Orange Cassidy or the flippity floppity things that we
- 58:55Speaker 5: do anymore, because yeah, I really enjoyed it. You know,
- 59:01Speaker 5: even at Iguana and the Puppet and Microman and all
- 59:06Speaker 5: that stuff. It was fun and wrestling is supposed to
- 59:09Speaker 5: be fun. If you get to stick out of your
- 59:11Speaker 5: rear ends, you'll you'll enjoy wrestling.
- 59:14Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I don't have a problem with it
- 59:16Speaker 3: at all, you know, and it's it's a shame. And
- 59:19Speaker 3: I will say this as somebody and that runs and
- 59:24Speaker 3: Steve and Shades could probably back me up on this
- 59:27Speaker 3: because we're moderators on the aw Fantom subreddit, and I
- 59:31Speaker 3: know that Steve is a moderator at other subredits, including
- 59:34Speaker 3: Greatness of Wrestling. A lot of the comments that are
- 59:37Speaker 3: made about flippity flippity stuff and negative tribalistic stuff on
- 59:43Speaker 3: all subreddits that I see. Third, for people who are
- 59:48Speaker 3: not members of the subreddit, it just shows up on
- 59:50Speaker 3: their feed. They take an opportunity to make a comment.
- 59:53Speaker 3: I know that when I look at some of the
- 59:55Speaker 3: people to make these tribalistic comments, it's literally like their
- 59:59Speaker 3: first and second can comment that they've made on whatever
- 1:00:02Speaker 3: subreddit they're on, you know, and a lot of them
- 1:00:05Speaker 3: don't even make comments on wrestling subreddits.
- 1:00:08Speaker 1: So it is what it is.
- 1:00:10Speaker 3: Pay attention to the people that you know are watching
- 1:00:14Speaker 3: the product, don't pay attention to people, or are just
- 1:00:17Speaker 3: trying to get under your skin.
- 1:00:20Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.
- 1:00:25Speaker 4: The one thing I'll say about Triplemania, I think we
- 1:00:29Speaker 4: could have done with up the thick Taurus.
- 1:00:33Speaker 9: Yeah.
- 1:00:36Speaker 3: I wonder if that's a friend of Beast Bortos, because
- 1:00:39Speaker 3: he's been jokingly like saying, you know, I'm a lawyer
- 1:00:43Speaker 3: and all that kind of stuff.
- 1:00:45Speaker 4: I hope, I hope it's a tongue. I hope that
- 1:00:46Speaker 4: they're everybody's cool with it. I just you know, but
- 1:00:51Speaker 4: I guess for a company that literally toted a casket
- 1:00:55Speaker 4: out of a ring and resurrected La Parca from it
- 1:00:59Speaker 4: the year, you can't. I guess everything's on the table.
- 1:01:04Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that's a good point. Is anybody else?
- 1:01:15Speaker 4: No?
- 1:01:16Speaker 3: All right, then, well we'll be back tomorrow night, right
- 1:01:18Speaker 3: after Dynamite to do our aw fan Hub Dynamite review.
- 1:01:26Speaker 3: We're gonna do it a little bit differently tomorrow night.
- 1:01:28Speaker 3: We're gonna try to do three matches and then we're
- 1:01:32Speaker 3: gonna do a pote piri where everybody can bring up
- 1:01:34Speaker 3: something about the other matches and segments or whatever. So
- 1:01:37Speaker 3: we're gonna pick the three biggest ones. So we're gonna
- 1:01:42Speaker 3: try to limit the time on it and make it
- 1:01:45Speaker 3: just more enjoyable to the podcasters and for all the
- 1:01:47Speaker 3: people that are listening as well. So again, thank you
- 1:01:51Speaker 3: for listening. Thank you to everybody on the podcast team
- 1:01:54Speaker 3: to show it up tonight.
- 1:01:55Speaker 1: This was fun.
- 1:01:57Speaker 3: Tell us of the comments, whether you agree with the
- 1:02:00Speaker 3: podcast team's picks and thoughts and their crazy comments. Uh
- 1:02:05Speaker 3: that we're made tonight and we will see you tomorrow night.
- 1:02:09Speaker 3: So for the a W Fan podcast team, what did
- 1:02:12Speaker 3: I just say there? The postcast team, Yeah, uh, this
- 1:02:17Speaker 3: is Kelson.
- 1:02:19Speaker 4: And this is Uh and this is Shades the Vibe.
- 1:02:22Speaker 4: Good night Eddie Kingston.
- 1:02:24Speaker 1: Good night Eddie kings Did.
- 1:02:26Speaker 11: Good night Eddie.
- 1:02:28Speaker 1: We love you. Yeah,