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The Kenny Report | 10 November · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Line from the skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me for another week here on the
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Speaker 1: Kenny Report. Tonight, the ABC caught out manipulating the same
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump's speech in a very similar way to the BBC.
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Speaker 1: Why is there no accountability on ABC bias and transgressions?
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Speaker 1: The Golden tonsils silenced. John Laws dies a day after
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Speaker 1: Richot and I'll share some special recollections with country music
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Speaker 1: legend John Williamson. While the Liberals still wrangle over Net zero.
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Speaker 1: I'll talk to David Little Proud and we'll cross to
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Speaker 1: the hypocrisy of the COP thirty meeting in Brazil, where
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Speaker 1: they've cleared rainforest for the event. Sophiel's Worth in London,
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Speaker 1: on the endless scandals around Andrew formerly known as a Prince,
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Speaker 1: and with Gematone, UNI and Caroline Drusso their stacks to cover,
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Speaker 1: including the shocking decision to let neo Nazis protest in Sydney,
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Speaker 1: let's get cracking. I start tonight with an exclusive report
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Speaker 1: showing you again an explicit example of ABC bias and deception.
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Speaker 1: It comes as the Director General of the BBC and
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Speaker 1: the BBC's news boss have both resigned in the wake
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Speaker 1: of the latest example of political bias at the UK's
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Speaker 1: taxpayer funded broadcaster, And incredibly, my latest example of ABC
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Speaker 1: bias comes from an almost identical act of deception involving
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Speaker 1: editing of the very same Donald Trump's speech and presented
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Speaker 1: in the same way to fit him up for the
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Speaker 1: January of the sixth Capitol Hill riot in Washington in
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. But what I will also show you
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Speaker 1: is a contrast in accountability. Despite repeated examples of bias
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Speaker 1: and manipulation at the ABC, the news boss Justin Stevens
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Speaker 1: just got one hundred and ten thousand dollars pay rise,
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Speaker 1: but at the BBC there has been accountability. It might
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Speaker 1: have taken a series of breaches over a long period,
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Speaker 1: but eventually a price has been paid.
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Speaker 2: Hello, good evening. Tim Davey has tonight resigned as Director
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Speaker 2: General of the BBC, along with the CEO of BBC News,
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Speaker 2: Debra Turness, after a week of criticism of BBC news
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Speaker 2: coverage and allegations of editorial mistakes. In a statement to staff,
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Speaker 2: Tim Davey said, there have been some mistakes made and
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Speaker 2: as director General I have to take ultimate responsibility.
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Speaker 1: The story that brought this to ahead was the revelation
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Speaker 1: last week about how the BBC's Panorama program had edited
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Speaker 1: US President Donald Trump's January the sixth speech to suggest
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Speaker 1: he was encouraging the violence that followed. Have a look
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Speaker 1: at the BBC edit and then Trump uncut and in context,
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Speaker 1: We're going to.
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Speaker 3: Walk down to the Capitol and I'll be there with you,
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Speaker 3: and we fight. We fight like hell. We're going to
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Speaker 3: walk down to the Capitol.
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Speaker 4: And we're going to cheer on our brave senators and
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Speaker 4: congressmen and women.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that is clear and shocking, and we all know
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Speaker 1: the game they were playing. And I'm going to say
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Speaker 1: I was hardly surprised. As you know, I keep an
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Speaker 1: eye on leftist media, lots of it taxpayer funded, and
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Speaker 1: I noticed this sort of deceitful editing and coverage all
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Speaker 1: the time, and I share it with you in Britain.
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Speaker 1: This Trump example followed a series of other errors or
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Speaker 1: cases of bias, including the BBC using the sun of
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Speaker 1: a HUMMUS official as a narrator in a program about
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Speaker 1: the Garza War. So this latest scandal proved too much
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Speaker 1: for the leadership to withstand.
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Speaker 5: He's had an incredible amount of pressure over the Panorama
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Speaker 5: documentary and how President Trump was edited in that documentary itself.
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Speaker 5: It was an impossible sort of situation for him to
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Speaker 5: not have resigned over this. Really, the way that that
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Speaker 5: a President Trump was edited. Throughout the week, people have
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Speaker 5: been saying that it was inexcusable. Really how Panorama portrayed
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Speaker 5: President Trump and the rally that he had talking about
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Speaker 5: talking about January sixth before supporters stormed the Capitol.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so that's the story so far. But let me
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Speaker 1: take you to an ABC four Corners report from February
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, just a month after the Capitol Hill riot.
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Speaker 1: Such is the.
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Speaker 6: Level of fear that in recent weeks, serious people here
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Speaker 6: have been using the dread phrase civil war. If there's
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Speaker 6: one thing that President Trump demonstrated in his final terrifying
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Speaker 6: days in office, it's that these divided states remain vulnerable
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Speaker 6: to an unscrupulous demagogue. Tonight, howard defeated, disgraced, and now
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Speaker 6: twice impeached President brought US democracy to the brink of destruction.
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Speaker 1: Hardly very subtle, and of course Trump deserves criticism for
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Speaker 1: refusing to accept the election verdict. I've certainly called that
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Speaker 1: out and still do. But that doesn't give you the
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Speaker 1: right to change the facts, to manipulate reality. As you saw,
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Speaker 1: it was called Downfall, and it was reported by Sarah Ferguson.
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Speaker 1: And I want to show you one crucial minute of
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Speaker 1: this program. It includes a part of the same speech
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Speaker 1: as the BBC got in Destrict over and the whole
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Speaker 1: narrative here too was to insinuate blame onto Trump for
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Speaker 1: the riots.
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Speaker 6: From his bully pulpit in the ellipse, Trump continued to
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Speaker 6: pressure his vice president, and we're going to have to.
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Speaker 7: Fight much harder, and Mike Pence is going to have
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Speaker 7: to come through for us, and if he doesn't, that
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Speaker 7: will be a sad day.
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Speaker 3: For our country. Because you're sworn to uphold our constitution.
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Speaker 4: Now it is up to Congress to confront this egregious
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Speaker 4: assault on our democracy.
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Speaker 3: And after this, we're.
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Speaker 7: Going to walk down and I'll be there with you,
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Speaker 7: because you'll never take back our country with weakness.
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Speaker 3: You have to show strength, and you have to be strong.
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Speaker 3: You have.
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Speaker 6: Before the President finished speaking, members of a gang notorious
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Speaker 6: for political violence had gathered close to the Capitol.
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Speaker 1: The intent is pretty clear, there, isn't it. They didn't
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Speaker 1: use the words fight, but it was about Trump saying
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Speaker 1: We're going to go down there and show strength and
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Speaker 1: be strong, and then the riots. So let me show
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Speaker 1: you the editing of Trump's speech and after.
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Speaker 7: This, we're going to walk down and I'll be there
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Speaker 7: with you.
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Speaker 1: Let's stop it there. They cut to the crowd shot there.
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Speaker 1: That's known as a cutaway shot or overlay, when you
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Speaker 1: show something else other than the speaker. You can then
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Speaker 1: cut to a different part of the speech without seeing
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Speaker 1: a jump. There's nothing wrong with that. It's done all
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Speaker 1: the time, but it needs to be honest and fair.
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Speaker 1: Let me show you what Trump actually said.
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Speaker 3: We're going to walk down and I'll be there with you.
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Speaker 3: We're going to walk down. We're going to walk.
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Speaker 7: Down anyone you want. But I think right here, we're
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Speaker 7: going to walk down to the Capitol and we're going
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Speaker 7: to cheer on our brave.
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Speaker 4: Senators and congressmen and women. And we're probably not going
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Speaker 4: to be cheering so much.
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Speaker 7: For some of them, because you'll never take back our
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Speaker 7: country with weakness.
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Speaker 3: You have to show strength and you have to be strong.
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Speaker 1: Uh huh. Just like the BBC, they cut out what
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Speaker 1: he said after he said he was going down there.
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Speaker 1: They cut out the stuff about going down and cheering senators,
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Speaker 1: just like the BBC. The ABC cut that out, presumably
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Speaker 1: because that doesn't suggest aggression or violence. They cut out
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Speaker 1: the bit. They cut out the bit where Trump encourages
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Speaker 1: people to cheer on who they see as the good guys.
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Speaker 1: And here it is again how the ABC aired it
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Speaker 1: after their editing, and after.
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Speaker 7: This, We're going to walk down and I'll be there
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Speaker 7: with you, because you'll never take back.
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Speaker 3: Our country with weakness. You have to show strength and
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Speaker 3: you have to be strong.
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Speaker 1: So there you have it. Our ABC has committed the
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Speaker 1: same journalistic sin as the BBC. They have clipped up
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Speaker 1: the speech to suit their narrative rather than reality and
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Speaker 1: the true meaning of what Donald Trump was saying that day. Notably,
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Speaker 1: of course, there is another bit they did not show.
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Speaker 1: Some of you might never have seen this because most
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Speaker 1: of the media has just refused to show this crucial
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Speaker 1: part of the speech.
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Speaker 7: I know that everyone here will soon be marching over
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Speaker 7: to the Capitol Building to peacefully and patriotically make you.
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Speaker 1: Anyway. I have asked the ABC to examine this edit
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Speaker 1: and whether they admit it's misleading. I've also asked who
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Speaker 1: was responsible and whether they will investigate and apologize for it,
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Speaker 1: and I haven't heard back yet. We'll stay on the
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Speaker 1: case and keep you posted. But this, of course, is
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Speaker 1: far from an isolated incident for the ABC either. They've
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Speaker 1: been antagonistic towards Trump from the outset, and even commissioned
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Speaker 1: a three part series by the same journalist, Sarah Ferguson,
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Speaker 1: a series they called the Story of the Century No
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Speaker 1: Less that actually tried to prove up the ridiculous conspiracy
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Speaker 1: theory that Trump was actually installed by Russia's Vladimir Putin.
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Speaker 6: Hello, and welcome to Four Corners. Tonight we begin our
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Speaker 6: special three part investigation into the story of the century,
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Speaker 6: the election of US President Donald Trump and his ties
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Speaker 6: to Russia. The Kremlin's puppetmaster now has America answering to
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Speaker 6: his discordant tune. He couldn't have planned it better.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Years later, with this conspiracy theory completely debunked by numerous
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Speaker 1: investigations and authorities, the ABC still hosts those three episodes
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Speaker 1: online and has never corrected or clarified or apologized over it.
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Speaker 1: It is the croc of the century. There's plenty more too,
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Speaker 1: and more recently. Of course, the ABC had to pay
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Speaker 1: out almost four hundred thousand dollars last year after it
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Speaker 1: was caught out manipulating footage and adding additional gunshots to
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Speaker 1: try to fit up our soldiers as war criminals.
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Speaker 8: Revealing an astonishing difference between the source vision and the
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Speaker 8: version of events told by the ABC's Mark Willison, which
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Speaker 8: starts with six rounds of firing, then a single warning
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Speaker 8: shot becomes six.
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Speaker 4: For me, it appears some of these things.
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Speaker 5: They've literally added extra gunshots.
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Speaker 1: And just weeks ago I showed you how the ABC
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Speaker 1: managing director couldn't say why the ABC failed to report
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Speaker 1: cases of humas executing gardens back before the Middle East
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Speaker 1: peace deal was struck.
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Speaker 9: The particular story you referred to in terms of, mister Kenny,
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Speaker 9: I'm not aware of that particular story. I'm not aware
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Speaker 9: of the decision that was made to cover or not
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Speaker 9: cover that particular issue.
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Speaker 1: And when I showed you how the ABC's Middle East
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Speaker 1: correspondent refused to answer reasonable questions, it triggered a long
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Speaker 1: and insulting letter to my employers from the ABC News boss,
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Speaker 1: Justin Stevens, demanding some sort of apology from me. Really,
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Speaker 1: the ABC can't justify its own bias journalism, and Stevens
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Speaker 1: reckons I'm the problem for daring to tell people about it. Now,
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Speaker 1: this goes to my point about accountability. I've just shown
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Speaker 1: you that that clear example of tricky editing to fit
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Speaker 1: up Donald Trump for January the Sith, and I've barely
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Speaker 1: scratched the surface recounting other examples of ABC bias, but
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Speaker 1: far from seeing any corrections, apologies or accountability at the
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Speaker 1: taxpayer funded broadcaster, what we've seen is Stevens, the ABC
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Speaker 1: News boss, get a pay rise, a one hundred and
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Speaker 1: ten thousand dollars pay rise to almost seven hundred thousand
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Speaker 1: dollars a year. Misinformation and political bias in the media
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Speaker 1: is a terrible problem right now, I would say worse
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Speaker 1: than ever because of the polarized digital media landscape we
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Speaker 1: live in. But when taxpayers are forced to pay for it,
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Speaker 1: When you and I pay taxes every year and we
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Speaker 1: are forced to fund more than a billion dollars a
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Speaker 1: year for this stuff, in fact, we spend one and
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Speaker 1: a half billion when you include SBS well, then of
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Speaker 1: course the public broadcasting needs to be objective, it needs
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Speaker 1: to be fair, and its leadership needs to be transparent
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Speaker 1: and accountable, and there's precious little sign of any of
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Speaker 1: that at the ABC right now. They spend taxpayers dollars
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Speaker 1: making deceitful cuts to videotape, to mislead people about what
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Speaker 1: the US President says, yet they refuse to front up
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Speaker 1: an answer to taxpayers about their own conduct and deceptions.
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Speaker 1: This must change, and at least one politician is pushing
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Speaker 1: for such a change.
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Speaker 10: I'm a strong advocate for a rewrite of the ABC
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Speaker 10: Act to hold the ABC to account because I don't
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Speaker 10: think the current legislation governing the ABC is fit for purpose.
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Speaker 1: All power to Sarah Henderson, former ABC SEE journalists. By
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Speaker 1: the way, as I am, the Coalition ought to take
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Speaker 1: this up. They'll get slammed for it, of course, but
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Speaker 1: the relentless green left bias of the ABC simply has
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Speaker 1: to be tackled for the sake of taxpayers money not
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Speaker 1: being abused and for the sake of our democracy. Now,
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Speaker 1: hot off the presses. I've just been handed a statement
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Speaker 1: that we've been sent from the ABC in response to
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Speaker 1: those questions, and that case I just highlighted for you
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Speaker 1: four Quarters program, the Capitol Right examined the events of
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Speaker 1: the sixth of January twenty twenty one. In detail, they say,
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Speaker 1: and they say, the quote in question from President Trump
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Speaker 1: was used accurately by the ABC. They didn't change the
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Speaker 1: meaning of that section of the speech, and it did
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Speaker 1: not mislead the audience. The program was consistent with the
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Speaker 1: ABC's high standards a factual, accurate and impartial storytelling. They
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Speaker 1: say that stands, and they stand with Sarah Ferguson's outstanding journalism.
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Speaker 1: There you go nothing to see here. You can go back,
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Speaker 1: you can rewind this story. I showed you what Donald
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Speaker 1: Trump said. I showed you what the ABC cut out.
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Speaker 1: They cut out the same bit that the BBC cut out,
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Speaker 1: and they then went to him saying to go down
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Speaker 1: there and be strong and show strength and take them on. Right,
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Speaker 1: you make up your own mind. That's the ABC whitewashing
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Speaker 1: this thing already when they have committed the same sin
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Speaker 1: that cost to leaders their jobs at the BBC. Let's
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Speaker 1: go on to federal politics. Now, a cross up to
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Speaker 1: Queensland and catch up with the Nationals leader David Little
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Speaker 1: Proud David question without notice. I won't get into the
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Speaker 1: specifics because you won't have been brought across it. But you,
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Speaker 1: as especially as someone who represents the regions, know how
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Speaker 1: valuable the ABC is to the regions. Is it transparent
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Speaker 1: and accountable when it comes to political bias and objectivity?
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Speaker 11: Well, Chris, actually only last week we actually made a
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Speaker 11: complaint against the seven thirty report. They did an interview
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Speaker 11: with me. Sarah Ferguson interviewed me before that. They did
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Speaker 11: an interview implying that the Page Research that was undertaken
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Speaker 11: for us to get to our net zero position was
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Speaker 11: influenced by Cole Australia. In fact, there were one hundred
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Speaker 11: and sixty six references in the work that Paige Research
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Speaker 11: put together. It was but one and confirmed a report
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Speaker 11: that Page had done in terms of the pricing mechanisms
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Speaker 11: of coal fired power stations. It didn't go to the
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Speaker 11: heart of any recommendations. We also made a complaint that
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Speaker 11: they used a man by the name of Matt Kean
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Speaker 11: as the former New Sowales Treasurer, to call out the
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Speaker 11: hypocrisy of the National Party and the Page Research in
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Speaker 11: particularly using Coal Australia, even though it was one of
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Speaker 11: one hundred and sixty six, but did not disclose that
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Speaker 11: Matt Kean in fact is a director of Willami Investments,
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Speaker 11: which in Lo and behold looks at renewable energy. They
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Speaker 11: didn't actually disclose that he in fact not only as
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Speaker 11: a director.
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Speaker 1: But he's in charge of their fundraising.
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Speaker 11: We made that complaint to seven point thirty and all
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Speaker 11: we got back was that they felt that it was
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Speaker 11: used wisely and that they were incorrect in not disclosing
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Speaker 11: Matt Keane's full roles as a director and fundraiser for
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Speaker 11: will of My Investments. And that is the level of
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Speaker 11: integrity that we are facing with the ABC.
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Speaker 1: So that's the problem. It's going to change. Of course,
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Speaker 1: climate and energy policy is one of the key areas
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Speaker 1: where they show relentless bias and misleading information. I want
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Speaker 1: to get onto that though now, because you'll be waiting
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Speaker 1: to see what the Liberals do with net zero on Wednesday.
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Speaker 1: In the meantime, we've heard from the Prime Minister today
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Speaker 1: well and over the weekend as actually where he's been
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Speaker 1: asked about these power bill rebates the go to the
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Speaker 1: big energy companies to try and keep our power bills down.
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Speaker 1: He's suggesting that they might be extended. The Prime Minister, well.
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Speaker 12: I've said that the rebates won't be a permanent feature.
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Speaker 12: We'll always look though at cost of living as our
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Speaker 12: number one priority. We're also working on making sure that
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Speaker 12: the budget's got into shape, so it's a matter of
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Speaker 12: getting that balance right.
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Speaker 1: David Little Proud, that's using our tax dollars to cover
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Speaker 1: up for his mistake. He's supposed to lower power prices.
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Speaker 11: Well, they meant to be lower by two hundred and
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Speaker 11: seventy five dollars this year, predicated on your twenty twenty
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Speaker 11: two price.
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Speaker 1: That hasn't happened.
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Speaker 11: In fact, they've gone up by eight hundred dollars. But
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Speaker 11: you've got to understand you've already spent over six billion
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Speaker 11: dollars in subsidies from the Australian state taxpayers forking out
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Speaker 11: to try and bring down your energy bills. What we
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Speaker 11: are doing is seeing a labor government caught up in
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Speaker 11: the ideology rather than the practical reality of fixing the fundamentals.
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Speaker 11: You cannot run an economy of the industrial scale the
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Speaker 11: size of a and all renewables approach. Portugal and Spain
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Speaker 11: had a red hot crack. They've got seventy seven percent,
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Speaker 11: they lost their entire grid. The reality is is that
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Speaker 11: economics is catching up with you. You're seeing that and
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Speaker 11: your energy bill every quarter. The good people are Tomago
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Speaker 11: are feeling that tonight, not having job security. That's on
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Speaker 11: top of Wyala, Port Piri, Hobart and Mount iSER. The
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Speaker 11: reality is is this is coming to bide us and
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Speaker 11: unless we're prepared to pivot, Australians are going to continue
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Speaker 11: to pay more. And unfortunately what happens, Chris is you
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Speaker 11: can continue to try and paper over the cracks with
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Speaker 11: using your money, but ultimately your money runs out. And
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Speaker 11: this is why unless we fix the fundamentals and have
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Speaker 11: a mixed grid and have the courage to say we
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Speaker 11: need to big nuclear energy into the grid, and we
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Speaker 11: can do that, and if you look at our plan
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Speaker 11: around a cheaper, better fare away, what we're saying is
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Speaker 11: you could extend the capacity investment scheme not just to renewables,
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Speaker 11: but to existing cold generation so that we bring on
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Speaker 11: more supply and keep more supply onto the grid. That'll
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Speaker 11: put downward pressure on prices. That would be a big
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Speaker 11: step in the right direction in terms of doing that
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Speaker 11: and buying time to be able to sweat out those
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Speaker 11: col fire power assets and transition into nuclear energy as
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Speaker 11: we move forward. That's the common sense solution the Nationals.
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Speaker 1: Are brought forward. It only makes sense.
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Speaker 11: Doesn't go to this mad nine trillion dollar net zero
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Speaker 11: plan that labour's going down and it's going to cost
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Speaker 11: you and each Austraine over three hundred thousand dollars each.
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Speaker 1: It all makes sense, says we've been talking about on
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Speaker 1: this program for years now. Thanks for joining us, David.
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Speaker 1: I appreciate it, David Little Proud. They're the Nationals leader.
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Speaker 1: I want to stick to the climate related issues, I
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Speaker 1: suppose because the United Nations gad Fest Top thirty actually
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Speaker 1: kicks off later tonight our time in Belem, Brazil. Now,
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Speaker 1: remember the Albanezy government wants to host this same thing
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Speaker 1: in Adelaide next year, at a cost a billion dollars
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Speaker 1: to taxpace. Anyway, in Brazil, there will be plenty of
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Speaker 1: the usual hypocrisy, delegates flying in on private jets of course,
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Speaker 1: and scoffing meet at the restaurants while they told the
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Speaker 1: rest of us to go vegetarian. But cop this. The
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Speaker 1: Brazilian government has chopped down thousands of hectares of the
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Speaker 1: Amazon to make way for a highway to ease COP
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Speaker 1: thirty traffic in bilm unbelievable stuff. Earlier, I caught up
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Speaker 1: with Mark Morano, who's the executive editor of Climate Depot
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Speaker 1: as they call it. He's in Brazil and he's been
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Speaker 1: out to look at that highway. I asked him to
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Speaker 1: tell us what it tells us about the whole cop
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Speaker 1: meeting process. Well, we went out.
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Speaker 13: To the area where the road is still under construction
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Speaker 13: in parts, and we saw the clear cut path, we
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Speaker 13: saw the dirt road, and it was an amazing sight
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Speaker 13: because this is a this is a rainforest city here
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Speaker 13: in Beloved and what did they do if this United
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Speaker 13: Nations climates it in order to accommodate the billionaires, the oligarchs,
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Speaker 13: the Hollywood celebrities, the world leaders who all come into
22:54
Speaker 13: this Hollywood who fly into this and they would need
22:58
Speaker 13: to get around and this very small, relatively speaking, Brazilian city.
23:03
Speaker 13: They had the clear cut by us and it's tens
23:06
Speaker 13: of thousands of rainforests, hundreds of thousands of trees just
23:09
Speaker 13: to put this highway in so that the city would flow.
23:12
Speaker 13: And it's been a huge embarrassment, uh, for the for
23:15
Speaker 13: the United Nations, and with the most unbelievable aspect of this,
23:20
Speaker 13: not only just the hypocrisy.
23:21
Speaker 1: But the BBC is the one that broke in the
23:23
Speaker 1: bit exactly.
23:25
Speaker 13: About six months ago, the same BBC that's now apologizing
23:29
Speaker 13: for biased climate coverage. This is one area they actually
23:32
Speaker 13: got right at that moment.
23:36
Speaker 1: It's e fact I couldn't avoid. I suppose you mentioned
23:38
Speaker 1: billim Is a is a smaller city that usually hosts
23:41
Speaker 1: the KULP and it's relatively relatively remote and difficult to
23:45
Speaker 1: get to. Uh, we're still going to see you are
23:48
Speaker 1: the private jets and the rest to get there.
23:51
Speaker 13: Yeah, people are going to be all sorts of private dees.
23:53
Speaker 13: It starts tomorrow. We're trying to get to the local
23:56
Speaker 13: airport and find out the parking situation for all these
23:59
Speaker 13: jets if we can. It's sometimes very difficult to get
24:04
Speaker 13: straight answers on this, but typically we've seen these conferences
24:08
Speaker 13: and they can be anywhere from twenty to forty thousand
24:11
Speaker 13: people attending. They have carbon footprints larger than most cities.
24:16
Speaker 1: Around the world.
24:17
Speaker 13: In fact, they'll use more electricity during the next two
24:20
Speaker 13: weeks of the summit than most African nations do in
24:22
Speaker 13: a year. But at this summit, for the first time ever,
24:25
Speaker 13: there's not enough hotels there's not enough rental housing, so
24:29
Speaker 13: they're bringing in massive cruise ships to dock along the
24:32
Speaker 13: rivers in the city here in order to house all
24:35
Speaker 13: of the delegates and activists that are coming from all
24:38
Speaker 13: over the world. Now, the first thing you need to
24:41
Speaker 13: know about a cruise ship is, according to all the evidence,
24:44
Speaker 13: when you look at the fraudulent concept of carbon footprints, well,
24:47
Speaker 13: let's play along with it, a cruise ship, your average
24:50
Speaker 13: sized cruise ship actually has a higher carbon footprint than
24:55
Speaker 13: flying to a destination and getting a hotel combined. UN
25:00
Speaker 13: is clear cutting the Amazon rainforest.
25:03
Speaker 1: They're bringing in.
25:04
Speaker 13: Massive carbon footprint cruise ships to house people, and they're
25:10
Speaker 13: bringing in all the billionaire class and all the celebrities
25:13
Speaker 13: and all the the world leaders coming in on private jets.
25:17
Speaker 13: It is, in other words, a typical United Nations party.
25:21
Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, it's just so hypocritical, and especially because of
25:24
Speaker 1: course the UN just goes with alarmism and moral panic
25:28
Speaker 1: the whole time. Let's have a look at the lightest
25:30
Speaker 1: from the Secretary General Antonio Gataras every fraction of a
25:35
Speaker 1: degree means more hunger, displacement and loss, especially for those
25:40
Speaker 1: least responsible. This is moral failure. And deadly negligent Mark.
25:47
Speaker 1: I don't know whether it's just me, but seems to
25:50
Speaker 1: me that these sorts of speeches are getting more and
25:53
Speaker 1: more desperate pleading with people to take them seriously, because
25:58
Speaker 1: the push to that zero is losing fiver in many
26:02
Speaker 1: sensible countries like the US and the UK. Is that
26:05
Speaker 1: not the caist? It absolutely is.
26:09
Speaker 13: The United Nations has been promoting this idea that they
26:13
Speaker 13: can control the weather, control the bad weather effects since
26:16
Speaker 13: nineteen ninety two when we got into this whole mess
26:19
Speaker 13: under the Rio Earth Summit treaty, when all the nations
26:22
Speaker 13: signed it. Well, if you look at every UN climate
26:24
Speaker 13: summit decades we've had that's been doing thirty three years ago,
26:29
Speaker 13: carbon dioxide has continued to go up in the climate.
26:32
Speaker 13: They've had no impact. So this year they're trying to
26:34
Speaker 13: spin a new impact. Well, we may not have actually
26:39
Speaker 13: slowed carbon dioxys, but we've stopped the worst effects of
26:43
Speaker 13: global warming. You know, we're not going to have that.
26:46
Speaker 13: They're dialing back to catastrophe predictions on some level to
26:49
Speaker 13: say it's because of the success of these summits and
26:52
Speaker 13: because of all these treaties we've signed.
26:55
Speaker 1: But the fact is that the US is dropping out
26:57
Speaker 1: of Paris. We've seen that leads in Europe too, suggest
27:01
Speaker 1: that they've gone too hard, too fast. Isn't it pushed
27:04
Speaker 1: towards zero? Getting less frenetic rather than more?
27:07
Speaker 14: So?
27:08
Speaker 13: You have a rebellion brewing throughout the Eastern Europe from
27:12
Speaker 13: Hungary and Poland and Czech Republic that aren't going to
27:15
Speaker 13: go along with this. You have Argentina pulling out their
27:18
Speaker 13: delegation when Donald Trump told him it wasn't worth it
27:20
Speaker 13: it last year's U N Climate Summit, so they are
27:23
Speaker 13: facing complete clubs. You have New York Governor here in
27:26
Speaker 13: the United States, Kathy Hokeel not meeting the state's climate
27:30
Speaker 13: golds because she wants cheap and affordable energy. You have
27:32
Speaker 13: Gavin Newsom forced to retreat and bag oil companies to
27:36
Speaker 13: stay in the state because they need oil refinery. And
27:39
Speaker 13: you have Greta Thunberg just moved on to a completely
27:41
Speaker 13: different issue. She's now fighting Israel in the Middle East,
27:44
Speaker 13: and you know, in the Middle the whole issue of
27:48
Speaker 13: climate is long passed, so she's even walked away from
27:51
Speaker 13: it this issue. The most telling part of this, Chris,
27:56
Speaker 13: is that Donald Trump has come in to the face
27:58
Speaker 13: of the United States. United Nations As General Assembly called
28:02
Speaker 13: it a cult, a scam, told him how wrong they were.
28:05
Speaker 13: He's dismantled. The United States complete the climate agenda and
28:08
Speaker 13: there has been virtually no pushback in any sector. Now
28:12
Speaker 13: they can still fight back their forces against Trump. They're
28:15
Speaker 13: pushing back about his immigration policy. But when it comes
28:18
Speaker 13: to climate crickets.
28:20
Speaker 1: Our country, Australia wants to host COP thirty one next year.
28:24
Speaker 1: It will cost tax piles a billion dollars. I'm hoping
28:28
Speaker 1: we don't get it. Therefore, the decision is going to
28:31
Speaker 1: be made this COP at COUP thirty What are the
28:34
Speaker 1: chances Australia's going to get this? Is it going to
28:36
Speaker 1: be a standoff between Australia and Turkey and therefore go
28:39
Speaker 1: to Germany instead.
28:40
Speaker 13: We probably will know in the next two weeks. They
28:43
Speaker 13: usually announce with some certainty the next year's COP process.
28:48
Speaker 13: I don't know if Australia really wants it. I mean,
28:50
Speaker 13: I guess it brings in a lot of a lot
28:52
Speaker 13: of money gets pumped into these countries and a short
28:55
Speaker 13: amount of time, so economically it's probably a good thing
28:58
Speaker 13: for the country. But yeah, short term because you get
29:01
Speaker 13: all these wealthy climate activists from all over the world.
29:05
Speaker 1: I expect of billion dollars. We have to pay a
29:07
Speaker 1: billion dollars to hoist it. How can that be a
29:10
Speaker 1: good deal?
29:11
Speaker 13: Yeah, I don't know, Yeah, yeah, maybe your cost benefit
29:14
Speaker 13: analysis doesn't pay off there. But mostly you're gonna have
29:16
Speaker 13: to put up with hot air and bull bleep because
29:20
Speaker 13: that's where these stummits churn out on a NonStop basis.
29:24
Speaker 13: And I don't know how much longer this process can go.
29:26
Speaker 13: I mean there, It is a failed and fraudulent process
29:30
Speaker 13: from the beginning, and they know it. And Europe No.
29:33
Speaker 1: The big thing is.
29:34
Speaker 13: To watch Europe and watch how they're just all the
29:38
Speaker 13: lies about solar and when they're taking over fossil fuels.
29:41
Speaker 3: We're just around the court. It's all happening.
29:43
Speaker 13: Eighty percent of the world's energy still comes from fossil
29:45
Speaker 13: fuels after thirty three years of this un bull bleep.
29:50
Speaker 1: Mack Moran, I thanks so much for joining us again.
29:53
Speaker 13: Thank you, Chris, appreciate it.
29:56
Speaker 1: And notice Anthony Albanesi is not in Brazil. He doesn't
30:00
Speaker 1: really want this conference next year because he knows it
30:03
Speaker 1: would be an embarrassment. We're going to take a break.
30:07
Speaker 1: On the other side, we'll talk about Golden tonsils John
30:10
Speaker 1: Laws dead on the weekend, I'll share some memories with
30:13
Speaker 1: one of his great mates, country music legend, John Williamson.
30:22
Speaker 1: There were, as you know, some big and sad farewells
30:25
Speaker 1: over the weekend. As you know, we lost Riche on Saturday,
30:28
Speaker 1: such a big part of this station over many years.
30:31
Speaker 1: Graham Richardson was not a political saint or a guiding star.
30:35
Speaker 1: He played politics as ruthlessly and as cynically as anyone,
30:40
Speaker 1: and he was good at it. He was tough and tribal.
30:43
Speaker 1: Let's not romanticize that. He was all about labor power,
30:46
Speaker 1: the power of the labor right, his power. And was
30:50
Speaker 1: that a service to the nation, Well, yeah, it was
30:52
Speaker 1: because he did this in the main to buttress the
30:55
Speaker 1: hawk Keating government, which was a very good and reforming government. Later,
31:00
Speaker 1: of course, Richo became a political commentator and analyst. I
31:03
Speaker 1: loved chatting politics with him on air and off air.
31:07
Speaker 1: Of course, he was a brilliant commentator because he knew politics,
31:10
Speaker 1: he knew the players, he knew how it all worked.
31:13
Speaker 1: But importantly, he also had his finger on the pulse
31:16
Speaker 1: of what most voters or the mob, as he'd say,
31:19
Speaker 1: were interested in. He knew what the mob would buy
31:21
Speaker 1: and what they wouldn't. So rest in peace, Richo, and
31:25
Speaker 1: much love to Amanda, Darcy and the rest of the family.
31:29
Speaker 1: If there is a God, I hope he's got a
31:31
Speaker 1: good numbers man up there, or Richo will shake things
31:33
Speaker 1: up straight away.
31:35
Speaker 15: Now.
31:35
Speaker 1: The other historic passing, of course, on the weekend was
31:38
Speaker 1: John Laws, the Douian of radio broadcasters, dead at ninety.
31:44
Speaker 1: This is a bloke who told us on this show
31:46
Speaker 1: just a few years back just how much he loved radio.
31:49
Speaker 1: He loved talking to people on air, and he did
31:52
Speaker 1: it almost to the end, and he of course was
31:54
Speaker 1: in return loved by listeners as well as many of
31:58
Speaker 1: his guests too. Now, Lawsy's great mate, legendary singer songwriter
32:03
Speaker 1: John Williamson joins me. Now, great to talk to you
32:07
Speaker 1: John again on the program. A very very sad occasion.
32:11
Speaker 1: Your relationship with Laws. He goes right back to the
32:15
Speaker 1: very start of your career, when you were launching your
32:18
Speaker 1: famous smash hit record fifty five years old.
32:23
Speaker 16: Man em He was a song mate.
32:24
Speaker 8: Ye.
32:25
Speaker 16: There was a fable label, Rongshooters record label being launched
32:31
Speaker 16: in Sydney, and I came from the farm because the
32:34
Speaker 16: Old Man and Emmy became a hit before I really
32:36
Speaker 16: ended the business. And I came to the farm at
32:40
Speaker 16: Maury to meet the people at Fable and John Laws
32:45
Speaker 16: turned up and they were all very surprised he turned up,
32:47
Speaker 16: but it turned out he really likes bush people, and
32:51
Speaker 16: we became mates straight away basically, and I very quickly
32:57
Speaker 16: write a song that was terrible, but but it sort
32:59
Speaker 16: of was about the both of us. But then I
33:02
Speaker 16: end up writing a lot of jingles for him, and
33:05
Speaker 16: the relationship just got better and better.
33:07
Speaker 1: We've got a couple of those jingles. Now, let's have
33:09
Speaker 1: a listen to this one called the Golden Tonsils.
33:12
Speaker 17: Good morning, Golden Tonsils on the Golden microphone? How do
33:16
Speaker 17: you spark on every day with had a grumble?
33:18
Speaker 1: Laura gr Own.
33:20
Speaker 17: You've been around since that and since Noah built the
33:24
Speaker 17: High Bitch and you old Lancy and Amandar and Lion.
33:27
Speaker 1: But I'm glad you're on the but really I.
33:31
Speaker 13: Have no choice.
33:33
Speaker 17: You're the only one I can listen to on the
33:35
Speaker 17: one loves you as you reckon.
33:37
Speaker 1: You should sing mob, But I'm sorry. I don't agree.
33:40
Speaker 17: You just stick to the talk and mate lead using.
33:43
Speaker 1: You leave the singing to me. What a great relationship
33:47
Speaker 1: because he's the Golden Tonsils and you know you're the
33:50
Speaker 1: voice of of country Australia and so many people right
33:53
Speaker 1: across this great land. Whar he heard both your voices
33:56
Speaker 1: there together are so many mornings.
33:59
Speaker 14: Yeah.
33:59
Speaker 16: I did a station crawl with Lawsy about twenty years ago.
34:05
Speaker 1: He never rang me. You just tell me on radio
34:07
Speaker 1: where are you?
34:07
Speaker 10: Emil?
34:08
Speaker 16: And when I got to do a trip, we drove
34:11
Speaker 16: from Adelaide all the way through and went all these
34:13
Speaker 16: stations and you wouldn't believe, well you would believe just
34:16
Speaker 16: how a legend big Alegedy is in the outpack and
34:20
Speaker 16: they wouldn't charge us or anything. We just stated all
34:23
Speaker 16: these stations and it was a big on off of them.
34:25
Speaker 16: I was just a hanger on, you know, his mate,
34:28
Speaker 16: and he was just so huge and people did love him,
34:32
Speaker 16: especially in the bushes.
34:33
Speaker 1: I say, yeah, well tell us about that John, because
34:36
Speaker 1: the thing is that he spoke so beautifully, that this
34:39
Speaker 1: wonderful timberd voice is such a cultured tone as well.
34:43
Speaker 1: He's mixing daily with prime ministers and world leaders and
34:46
Speaker 1: famous celebrities. He's a multi millionaire of course, because he's
34:50
Speaker 1: been so successful, and he's driving around in very fancy
34:53
Speaker 1: cars I think a big Rolls Royce with the roof
34:56
Speaker 1: off and so yeah, So tell me how that man
35:00
Speaker 1: then goes out into our back Australia and is such
35:04
Speaker 1: everybody says was so much in touch with with mainstream
35:08
Speaker 1: Australians and could just see them right away.
35:11
Speaker 16: Well, I don't exactly know why it's that way, but
35:14
Speaker 16: he was a jackar real one stage or out around
35:17
Speaker 16: Mudgie or somewhere. I don't know whether or it's not
35:20
Speaker 16: very back there, but still, and I think that's where
35:24
Speaker 16: he got the love country people. And I think you
35:27
Speaker 16: liked the fact that they're more down to earth than
35:29
Speaker 16: the city people.
35:30
Speaker 1: Maybe not.
35:31
Speaker 16: I'm not saying he didn't have a lot of friends
35:34
Speaker 16: in the city as well. There was something about it,
35:37
Speaker 16: and I felt as soon as I met him, I
35:40
Speaker 16: turned up with my eh had a rude didn't just
35:42
Speaker 16: about every panel and he loved I didn't say that,
35:47
Speaker 16: but let's driving at night. That's what happens out there.
35:49
Speaker 1: But tell us what are you going to miss most
35:53
Speaker 1: about him?
35:55
Speaker 16: Well, well, there's a good story about a farmer when
36:00
Speaker 16: he retired recently, a farmer got that and already threw
36:03
Speaker 16: out his radio and in the dam. So he meant
36:06
Speaker 16: that much to him, like there was no one who
36:08
Speaker 16: was going to replace Lawsy. So I can't explain it exactly,
36:13
Speaker 16: but look out a big heart. A lot of people
36:15
Speaker 16: realize he had a huge heart. It was always a
36:18
Speaker 16: bit hard to get the note, maybe in the beginning,
36:21
Speaker 16: but you can imagine when he was such a legend
36:23
Speaker 16: everywhere he went. You know when I went, we jumped
36:26
Speaker 16: on the plane to go to Adelaide. There was people
36:28
Speaker 16: coming up all the time, and they won't leave me alone,
36:31
Speaker 16: you know. So I was virtually his guard dog.
36:36
Speaker 1: On radio.
36:38
Speaker 16: Is heart built to community. I communicate with people without
36:41
Speaker 16: being really bothered by it, you know what I mean.
36:43
Speaker 1: He could one on one. Yeah, great stuff. John, Really
36:47
Speaker 1: appreciate you dropping into the show again to share your
36:49
Speaker 1: memories of your great mate. John Wawes. Appreciate it. I
36:52
Speaker 1: appreciate it too, Chrus. Thanks John Williamson. There, he's great mate,
36:57
Speaker 1: John Wawes. What a partnership they had over fifth five years.
37:01
Speaker 1: Got to take a break after that. We're going to
37:03
Speaker 1: cross to London. We'll catch up with Sophie Ellsworth and
37:05
Speaker 1: get the latest on these endless scandals about Andrew, you know,
37:09
Speaker 1: the one formerly known as a prince, what he was
37:11
Speaker 1: up to in Buckingham Palace. Just got an email from
37:18
Speaker 1: a bloke called Tonys as he went to school with
37:20
Speaker 1: John Laws and teacher once told me it wouldn't amount
37:24
Speaker 1: to anything. So it proved that teacher wrong, didn't he? Now?
37:28
Speaker 1: I want to go to more now on the scandal
37:30
Speaker 1: at the BBC, the director general and news boss have
37:34
Speaker 1: both been forced to resign over a political bias, with
37:37
Speaker 1: the network's Panorama program editing the US President Donald Trump's
37:41
Speaker 1: January the sixth speech back in twenty twenty one to
37:44
Speaker 1: suggest he was encouraging the violence that followed. Have a
37:47
Speaker 1: look at the BBC edit and then of course the
37:49
Speaker 1: uncut version.
37:51
Speaker 3: We're going to walk down to the capital and I'll
37:55
Speaker 3: be there with you and we fight.
37:58
Speaker 14: We fight, like how We're.
37:59
Speaker 3: Going to walk down to the capital.
38:05
Speaker 4: And we're going to cheer on our brave senators and
38:09
Speaker 4: congressmen and women.
38:12
Speaker 1: Yeah, as I showed you earlier, our ABC made a
38:15
Speaker 1: very similar edits editing out that stuff about going down there,
38:18
Speaker 1: the cheer on senators and congress people. They went on
38:22
Speaker 1: to where he said he wanted to show strength and
38:24
Speaker 1: be strong. The BBC went further down and said that
38:27
Speaker 1: he was going down there to fight two people, two
38:31
Speaker 1: very senior people have paid with their jobs. Let me
38:33
Speaker 1: bring in News Corp European correspondent and of course Sky
38:36
Speaker 1: News contributor Sophie Ellsworth. She's outside the BBC's headquarters, a
38:41
Speaker 1: focus of so much controversy for so long. But with
38:44
Speaker 1: the director General going and the news boss, so it's
38:47
Speaker 1: going to be a massive shake up, isn't it, Things
38:50
Speaker 1: just might change.
38:53
Speaker 18: Well, Chris, the BBC is in crisis today as we know.
38:56
Speaker 19: The two top bosses resigned last night in disgrace and
39:01
Speaker 19: now there is a massive spotlight on the BBC yet
39:06
Speaker 19: again because they've been accused of institutional bias for a
39:10
Speaker 19: series of reports, including that report you clearly outlined in
39:14
Speaker 19: your editorial about the Trump documentary that was on their
39:19
Speaker 19: Panorama program. But today just some of the front pages here, Christ,
39:23
Speaker 19: you know I love showing them to our.
39:24
Speaker 3: Viewers to hear.
39:25
Speaker 18: On the front of the sun the b boss quits.
39:28
Speaker 18: We've got this one over Trump lies.
39:31
Speaker 19: And then we've got the Daily Mail here BBC bosses
39:34
Speaker 19: quit in disgrace. I mean these are just a couple
39:37
Speaker 19: of the key newspapers here in London today. Every front
39:41
Speaker 19: page is about the BBC's disgraceful conduct and the fact
39:45
Speaker 19: here Chris, that these instances seem to keep occurring, whether
39:50
Speaker 19: accused of bias or something goes wrong and they take
39:54
Speaker 19: too long to apologize or address the situation. And the
39:57
Speaker 19: Telegraph in the UK here put immense press on the
40:00
Speaker 19: BBC last week about this documentary relating to Trump. And
40:05
Speaker 19: finally the bosses have resigned.
40:07
Speaker 1: Yeah, incredible stuff. And as I've highlighted at the top
40:10
Speaker 1: of this program, a very similar edit to the very
40:13
Speaker 1: same speech means the ABC have got to answer questions here.
40:17
Speaker 1: Now they say they've done nothing wrong, but I think
40:19
Speaker 1: there's going to be an outcry over what they've done
40:22
Speaker 1: with that same speech. Fascinating to see that play out
40:25
Speaker 1: in the BBC because the issues are so similar. The
40:28
Speaker 1: organizations really in the way they conduct themselves are so similar,
40:31
Speaker 1: the BBC and the ABC. But I want to go
40:34
Speaker 1: back to the Royal scandals now, Sophie and these revelations
40:37
Speaker 1: that the former Prince Andrew used to have prostitutes coming
40:41
Speaker 1: to Buckingham Palace, and as that's not scandalous enough, the
40:45
Speaker 1: suggestion is the Queen would have known about this and
40:49
Speaker 1: done nothing about it.
40:52
Speaker 19: Yes, these reports have emerged here in the UK, Chris.
40:55
Speaker 19: It's never a dull moment here with Prince Andrew, formerly
40:58
Speaker 19: Prince Andrew, now Andrew mount Button Windsor.
41:02
Speaker 18: And now there's these allegations that.
41:04
Speaker 19: He had prostitutes in at Buckingham Palace and that his
41:06
Speaker 19: late mother did know about it. And these reports emerged
41:11
Speaker 19: from the author of the new book entitled Andrew Lowney,
41:15
Speaker 19: a British author and historian who I spoke to in
41:17
Speaker 19: detail a couple of weeks here in the UK.
41:20
Speaker 18: I spoke to him, Chris.
41:22
Speaker 19: But the scandals surrounding Andrew just never end, and the
41:26
Speaker 19: leaking around Andrew and his formal wife Sarah Ferguson continues.
41:32
Speaker 19: We know that he's moving out of the Royal Lodge,
41:35
Speaker 19: but he is very much on the outside now of
41:38
Speaker 19: the royal family. He will not be seen in public
41:41
Speaker 19: for a very long time. He's gone into exile really,
41:45
Speaker 19: and we know that he'll be moving to Sandringham, possibly
41:48
Speaker 19: in the new years. So the bad headlines just continue
41:52
Speaker 19: for him and sadly for the Royal family. They cannot
41:55
Speaker 19: shape this.
41:55
Speaker 1: Chris, be almost impossible for him to hide. I suppose
41:59
Speaker 1: the expectation on the Sandra estate, there'll be security around there.
42:03
Speaker 1: He basically just live his life there for a while.
42:05
Speaker 1: They'd have to sneak out if he ever wants to
42:07
Speaker 1: go anywhere.
42:09
Speaker 18: Chris. It's a big es state. There's plenty of places
42:12
Speaker 18: you can stay there.
42:13
Speaker 19: It's not like he needs to go down to the
42:15
Speaker 19: local shop and buy his milk and newspapers and bread.
42:18
Speaker 18: He can get that done for him. But he will
42:20
Speaker 18: not be seen out in public.
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Speaker 19: He won't be at the Christmas celebrations that they have
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Speaker 19: in Sandringham. And that's really p Chris, because the talk
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Speaker 19: is that he won't move there until the Royal family
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Speaker 19: and Christmas has passed to avoid that awkward exchange. But
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Speaker 19: he cannot shape these bad headlines, that's for sure.
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Speaker 1: Oh wow, they're keeping the awkward uncle right away from everything.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Sophie. Fascinating stuff. So feels with
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Speaker 1: it all over it in the UK as ever, who'd
42:48
Speaker 1: want a former prince like Andrew hanging around your family Christmas.
42:53
Speaker 1: After the break, we're going to catch up with Gematon
42:56
Speaker 1: Uni and Caroline de Rousseau. We'll talk about lots of things,
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Speaker 1: but also these neo Nazis allowed to protest at Parliament
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Speaker 1: House in Sydney on the weekend. Unbelievable. It's sort of
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Speaker 1: all out now with Gemutoni Uni from GT Communications as
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Speaker 1: always on the wall, not not always, but usually on
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Speaker 1: the desk que with me and Caroline do us So
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Speaker 1: joining us from Perth. Great to catch up again. Let's start.
43:21
Speaker 1: We've got some other stuff to get to.
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Speaker 3: In a while.
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Speaker 1: Let's start off with the cluster mess of the Liberals
43:27
Speaker 1: and their net zero machinations. Here's a couple of them
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Speaker 1: going ahead to head on sky News earlier today.
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Speaker 15: We have to demonstrate a commitment to reducing emissions because
43:38
Speaker 15: Australians have told us that's important to them.
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Speaker 20: But we also have to make sure that we can
43:42
Speaker 20: reduce energy prices as well.
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Speaker 21: So when I'm talking to people in Bradfield, in Benelong,
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Speaker 21: in Waaringa, in Wentworth, in Reed, in Hughes, in Banks,
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Speaker 21: they are telling me that they want to see credible
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Speaker 21: action on climate.
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, we're just about this stuff endlessly. Just
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Speaker 1: announce an energy policy and move on.
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Speaker 20: Yeah, like another day, another day, another day of liberal
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Speaker 20: partty self immolation in public. I mean, these people aren't serious. Again,
44:10
Speaker 20: I'm a conservative voter. Just looking at them, you clowns.
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Speaker 20: You wouldn't hire any of them on a bad day.
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Speaker 20: But this is the thing. The Senator Maria, whose name
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Speaker 20: I don't want to mispronounce, genuinely, you know what voters
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Speaker 20: is she talking to because she mentioned the electorate I
44:24
Speaker 20: sit in, and I can tell you that she might
44:26
Speaker 20: be talking to some who say that, But the majority
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Speaker 20: of voters are saying, my power bills are too high.
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Speaker 20: He said, Chris, just announce a policy. You've had more
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Speaker 20: than enough time, and don't be so don't be so
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Speaker 20: damned arrogant to think that net zero in Australia is
44:43
Speaker 20: going to make any kind of difference.
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Speaker 1: They should be mocking the whole cop thing at the moment,
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Speaker 1: that it's just money for jam to be attacking that.
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Speaker 1: Instead they're talking about it themselves. Well more of that
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Speaker 1: this week, though, I want to go to you to Caro.
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Speaker 1: This thing that happened on the weekend. We've got picture
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Speaker 1: of it here Neo Nazis protesting outside of the New
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Speaker 1: South Wales Parliament House in Sydney. Neo Nazis applied for
45:08
Speaker 1: a permit here they are abolished the Jewish lobby and
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Speaker 1: they got permission from police. Yeah, sure, go ahead. This
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Speaker 1: is unforgivable after two years of police being hopeless on
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Speaker 1: this stuff. And it's interesting.
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Speaker 15: Obviously the police have made commentary about this, and Chris
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Speaker 15: Mins made the point today. I believe that they've essentially
45:29
Speaker 15: skirted or been very very careful to skirt around the
45:33
Speaker 15: existing laws. Now that stuff there I find absolutely abhorrent, right,
45:38
Speaker 15: But this is the issue that you're run into when
45:42
Speaker 15: you have things like hate speech laws and laws that
45:47
Speaker 15: you can kind of get around and kind of not
45:49
Speaker 15: it becomes this very Goldilock scenario of it's too cold
45:52
Speaker 15: or it's too warm, or it's to this or it's
45:54
Speaker 15: to that. And the problem I think for everyone, I
45:57
Speaker 15: think where shocked is when you think about other people
45:59
Speaker 15: who have been pinned for things that are not dissimilar. Well,
46:03
Speaker 15: then you're like, well, why doesn't this fall into that?
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Speaker 15: So I think there's a serious issue in relation to
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Speaker 15: how the laws are drafted and put together in the
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Speaker 15: clarity around them, because I think whatever the laws are,
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Speaker 15: they need to be applied consistently. But I feel like
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Speaker 15: this is where you run into once you start to
46:22
Speaker 15: have these sorts of laws, you're run into the situation
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Speaker 15: where they aren't applied consistently. Because I was really quite
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Speaker 15: shocked by this.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is astounding. This is the problem, though, is
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Speaker 1: if you only object to protests on public safety grounds,
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Speaker 1: then you can't actually deal with what the content is.
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Speaker 1: Surely you should just allow all protests not at public places,
46:43
Speaker 1: but whether they don't interfere with everybody, and if they
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Speaker 1: express hate like death to Jews or gas the Jews
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Speaker 1: or what, then you prosecute them with hate laws.
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Speaker 20: I think that's absolutely a really robust way to.
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Speaker 1: Approach it.
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Speaker 20: I think to play Devil's advocate on this issue, shown
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Speaker 20: another group in the Australian society and a minority group.
47:03
Speaker 20: By fact, Australiangies are a minority. Show me another minority
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Speaker 20: group that has been subject to sustained vitriol, violence, hatred,
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Speaker 20: physical threats over the last two and a half years.
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Speaker 20: There isn't one. So I do believe there needs to
47:20
Speaker 20: be a degree of discretion, judicial discretion, is a concept
47:23
Speaker 20: that we all understand. There are some, you know, some
47:25
Speaker 20: people who argue that mandatory sentencing laws never work because
47:29
Speaker 20: they don't allow judicial discretion. Now that can swing both ways,
47:31
Speaker 20: as we know, but this is a classic example. Imagine
47:34
Speaker 20: being the person neo Nazis, Yes, stamp that one that'll
47:37
Speaker 20: do ye. Like of all the things that we as
47:40
Speaker 20: a society can agree on, surely it's that that brand
47:44
Speaker 20: of hate is not Australian. It doesn't reflect anything remotely
47:49
Speaker 20: resembling Australian values. Whether you are born here, whether your
47:52
Speaker 20: ancestors we hear forty thousand years or forty years. We
47:56
Speaker 20: don't want that on our streets.
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Speaker 1: No, it's and why it wasn't knocked up the up
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Speaker 1: the chain of command is beyond me. Here's the Premier
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Speaker 1: Chris Mins on this.
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Speaker 14: Whether those Nazi that Nazi symbol legislation is fit for
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Speaker 14: purpose and can it also accommodate Nazi speech Nazi behaviors
48:14
Speaker 14: on Sydney streets. And we have to make sure that
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Speaker 14: our laws are updated and fit to take on what
48:21
Speaker 14: is a you know, they use a lot of political
48:24
Speaker 14: intrigue in quite a clever political banner in order to
48:28
Speaker 14: have their racist rallies.
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Speaker 1: Look, this stuff drives me nuts. These politicians sound like spectators.
48:34
Speaker 1: They're commentating on what's happening around them. It's their job
48:37
Speaker 1: to do stuff.
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Speaker 20: And I think the other thing. I'm a sort of
48:40
Speaker 20: low level fan of Chris Mins.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, in general he's pretty good.
48:45
Speaker 20: But what I'll say is he's done a lot of
48:46
Speaker 20: apologizing for ship that ship pardon me for things that
48:49
Speaker 20: shouldn't have happened. In hindsight. Now we had two and
48:52
Speaker 20: a bit years down this road. At what point is
48:54
Speaker 20: in it is he going to put something in place
48:57
Speaker 20: where by the person reading the I don't expect him
48:59
Speaker 20: to know every single thing that's happening in this state.
49:01
Speaker 20: But by now, is there not some sort of sense
49:04
Speaker 20: of urgency in his government whereby something like that might
49:07
Speaker 20: hit a red flag and send it up the pole.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, Caroline. There was October the eighth last twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty three when we first had people preaching hate on
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Speaker 1: the streets of Sydney, and they've not gotten on top
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Speaker 1: of it and over two years.
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Speaker 15: No, And I think Jem makes a really good point
49:23
Speaker 15: there about the kind of the tire kicking and the commentary.
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Speaker 1: Mate, you're in the box seat. Yeah, do something about it,
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Speaker 1: work out.
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Speaker 18: What it is, have a chat to your ministers.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, this here is stuff that only you can actually
49:37
Speaker 15: deal with.
49:38
Speaker 5: And while we can sit.
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Speaker 15: There and talk about it, and you know, when is
49:41
Speaker 15: it hate speed and when is at violence and when
49:43
Speaker 15: is it Well that's actually.
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Speaker 1: That's his job. He's got a chance to sort it
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Speaker 1: out and a duty to sort it out. Thanks for
49:50
Speaker 1: joining us, Caroline and Jem. We'll catch you next week.
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Speaker 1: We're out of time now. I'll see you tomorrow night.
49:54
Speaker 1: Here's Peter Kredlin.
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Speaker 11: Yeah,