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UK Column News Podcast 15th January 2025 · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: Good afternoon. It's Wednesday, the fifteenth of January twenty twenty five,
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Speaker 1: just after one o'clock. Welcome to UK colum News. I'm
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Speaker 1: your host Mike Rumson joining me today we have Charles
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Speaker 1: Mallett and Vanessa Billy. Welcome to the program.
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Speaker 2: Charles, thank you very much, Mike.
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Speaker 1: Essa. We're going to start today with foot and mouth
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Speaker 1: disease and well, the government has announced what they describe
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Speaker 1: as measures to prevent the spread of foot and mouth disease,
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Speaker 1: and this is because a case has been confirmed in Germany.
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Speaker 1: So here we have a tweet from the British Frozen
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Speaker 1: Food Federation saying Important Information. DEFRA have issued important information
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Speaker 1: for traders following the detection of foot and mouth disease
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Speaker 1: in Germany. Essential information, actions and FAQs can be found
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Speaker 1: on their website. Well, this is because Germany reported foot
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Speaker 1: and mouth disease to the World Organization for Animal Health
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Speaker 1: cases where identified. It was five days ago they made
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Speaker 1: this report. Cases where identified in water Buffalo in Brandenburg
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Speaker 1: and they say that three of heard of fourteen are
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Speaker 1: dead as a result. This is the first report of
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Speaker 1: foot and mouth disease in Germany since nineteen Idiot and
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Speaker 1: the first cases in the European Union since twenty eleven,
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Speaker 1: the German National Reference Laboraty for Foot and Mouth disease,
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Speaker 1: has you get this characterized the cause of the virus
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Speaker 1: as sero type. Oh, they haven't identified it, they've characterized it.
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Speaker 1: Is it a cartoon? Is it? Are we saying coming
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Speaker 1: back in a new guys? It's hard to say yes.
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Speaker 1: But they do say that the exact origin and incursion
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Speaker 1: route is currently unknown. Now we're going to look at
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Speaker 1: a map in a second, and that that point is
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Speaker 1: really important, so keep that in mind for a second
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Speaker 1: or two time. The local authorities in Germany have taken
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Speaker 1: control and protection measures, including restrictions on susceptible animal movements
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Speaker 1: and in Brandenburg and Berlin and get this, one kilometer
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Speaker 1: cull around the infected premises. So we have the return
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Speaker 1: of the slaughtered on suspicion policy which was so effective
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Speaker 1: and destroying a large swath of British farming in two
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Speaker 1: thousand and one. So they are also suspending export health
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Speaker 1: certificates and the closure of zoos as well, while further
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Speaker 1: tests are being carried out by the German National Reference Laboratory.
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Speaker 1: So the import of cattle, pigs and sheep from Germany
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Speaker 1: is now banned into the UK to protect farmers and
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Speaker 1: their livelihoods, because we've got to protect everybody, and the
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Speaker 1: UK Chief Veterinary Officer is also urging livestock keepers to
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Speaker 1: remain vigilant to the clinical signs of foot and mouth
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Speaker 1: disease following this case. There are no cases in the
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Speaker 1: UK at the moment, and in fact, if we look
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Speaker 1: at the if we look at the map here, this
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Speaker 1: is the World Organization for Animal Health their official FMD
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Speaker 1: status map, and you can see that apparently there is
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Speaker 1: a suspension of foot and mouth free status in parts
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Speaker 1: of Central Asia there. But I'm not clear how this
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Speaker 1: virus is jumped to Germany. It has just appeared spontaneously
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Speaker 1: out of nowhere. How does that work, Charles?
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Speaker 2: This is something that I don't think can ever be
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Speaker 2: made clear. But it's just Yes, another example of confirmation bias,
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Speaker 2: in that if you look for a particular thing, and
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Speaker 2: you use certain methods I tests to confirm your prejudice
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Speaker 2: or your bias, then you will find exactly what it
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Speaker 2: is you're looking for. And this seems to be yes,
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Speaker 2: another example of it. So I think we'd all put
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Speaker 2: our money on disappearing here soon.
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Speaker 1: So there are no cases in the UK currently, as
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Speaker 1: we said, and foot and mouth disease we should note
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Speaker 1: to poses no risk to human or food safety. But
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Speaker 1: apparently it's highly contigious viral disease of cattle, sheep, pigs
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Speaker 1: and other cloven hooved animals. And this is the important thing.
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Speaker 1: So if we look at foot and mouth disease here
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Speaker 1: it claim is a viral infection. Cattle in two thousand
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Speaker 1: and one were slaughtered on suspicion in huge numbers in
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Speaker 1: the UK, but no similar measure was taken against wild
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Speaker 1: cloven hoof animals such as deer, and so if you
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Speaker 1: believe the viral the virus narrative, then the deer were
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Speaker 1: mixing with domesticated animals such as kus and so on,
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Speaker 1: And well apparently that wasn't the problem. How did that work?
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Speaker 2: Well again, I mean, once you've confected your story, you
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Speaker 2: just put it in and substitute them as appropriate, similar
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Speaker 2: with badgers and TV or of course deer and TB.
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Speaker 2: These creatures that are magically able to carry such and
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Speaker 2: such an illness without being susceptible in any way to it.
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Speaker 1: So we put that back up again, we've farms were
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Speaker 1: subject to lockdown at that time. That has happened in
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Speaker 1: Germany again, and the public were required to walk through disinfectant.
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Speaker 1: Now that again, if you are in agreement with the
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Speaker 1: idea that viruses exist, then you will know that the
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Speaker 1: official story is that disinfectant has no effect whatsoever on viruses.
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Speaker 1: But the public were required to walk through disinfected in
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Speaker 1: certain public places like ports and airports and other public areas.
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Speaker 1: And this was a bit of conditioning that we then
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Speaker 1: saw massively amplified during the COVID thing. And we must
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Speaker 1: not forget that the source of this lauded on suspicion
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Speaker 1: policy was this man. Remind me of.
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Speaker 2: His name, Well, so let's watch the name. It's it's
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Speaker 2: the piece of calculating equipment he has. But Neil Ferguson's, yes,
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Speaker 2: Bill Ferguson and his calculator, and so he was responsible
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Speaker 2: for that at that time. And of course he was
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Speaker 2: responsible for lockdown policy and the claims of maths deaths
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Speaker 2: in the UK during COVID as well. So, just to
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Speaker 2: finish off, if you haven't seen the documentary that we
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Speaker 2: produced many many years ago, now on the foot and
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Speaker 2: Mouth disaster in the UK, and the way that the
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Speaker 2: farming community was massively damaged by it, because for example,
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Speaker 2: some farmers would get compensation, others wouldn't, and so on.
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Speaker 2: This was breaking up communities and whatnot. It was an
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Speaker 2: incredible operation at the time. It destroyed huge numbers of
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Speaker 2: animals unnecessarily. The policy continues with bird flu and now
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Speaker 2: we're possibly going to see this again. It is incredible,
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Speaker 2: it is absolutely incredible. In fact, I mentioned on the
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Speaker 2: BBC News this morning a reference to the number of
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Speaker 2: animals that were killed on suspicion, which was six million,
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Speaker 2: which is a vast number, it really is. And yet
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Speaker 2: we seem to learn nothing, and of course, as discussed
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Speaker 2: recently about bird flu, we seem to be raining out
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Speaker 2: exactly the same practices over and over again.
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Speaker 1: We're sticking with farming.
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Speaker 2: We are now. Last week I spoke about the Oxford
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Speaker 2: the two conferences happening in Oxford, the Oxford Farming Conference
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Speaker 2: and the Oxford Real Farming Conference, the first of which
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Speaker 2: Steve Read, the Environment Secretary spoke at and no great
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Speaker 2: surprise in what he said. He talked about food and
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Speaker 2: environmental sustainability without really explaining how the two things can
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Speaker 2: be conducted side by side in the manner that has
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Speaker 2: been suggested by governments all over the world. But what
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Speaker 2: he did demonstrate was that the master stroke played by
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Speaker 2: the Chancellor when the budget was released the end of
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Speaker 2: October in that the fuss understandable fuss about agricultural property
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Speaker 2: relief and inheritance tax on agricultural land has proved to
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Speaker 2: be an enormous distraction and therefore has put farmers in
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Speaker 2: mind that this is the central existential threat posed, when
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Speaker 2: in fact the situation is not exactly that straightforward. It
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Speaker 2: is rather more that there are many government policies at
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Speaker 2: the heart of the existential threat rather than the specter
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Speaker 2: of inheritances around which solutions can be worked. But of
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Speaker 2: course the result is that read and indeed the government
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Speaker 2: are only really bashed and protested against on the APR
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Speaker 2: side of things. Now, he talked about diversification and just
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Speaker 2: to pop a slide up on screen to illustrate what
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Speaker 2: he meant if you hadn't guessed, of course, more renewable energy,
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Speaker 2: and indeed that really seems to be the only form
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Speaker 2: of diversification, certainly nothing to do with producing food. In
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Speaker 2: a different format, and he boasted of a five billion
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Speaker 2: pound investment in farming. Of course that dwarf by the
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Speaker 2: commitment to for example, Ukraine, which puts in perspective the
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Speaker 2: government's disdain for the production of food and indeed the
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Speaker 2: management of farming in this country. Now this really should
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Speaker 2: be seen as a part of an attack on small
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Speaker 2: and medium scale farmers, but as I say, not necessarily
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Speaker 2: by the APR side of things, the more by regulatory policy,
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Speaker 2: for example the Rare Breed Survival Trust talking about the
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Speaker 2: decline of small abatoires and therefore making it not viable
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Speaker 2: or not a viable proposition for those occupying the smaller
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Speaker 2: space or indeed with breeds that have unique characteristics and
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Speaker 2: therefore cannot be dealt with by larger scale abbatoires because
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Speaker 2: of course they're not set up to deal with them.
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Speaker 2: So it's pushing smaller farmers out of business. Of course,
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Speaker 2: the result of the consumer is fake meat, or indeed
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Speaker 2: meat that's been produced in subpar conditions, which, going back
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Speaker 2: to Mike's segment on foot and mouth, would explain certainly
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Speaker 2: why such symptoms might be displayed. The other thing to
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Speaker 2: bring out is, of course the work of what's called boffin.
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Speaker 2: I'm apologized as I can't remember what the acronym actually
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Speaker 2: stands for. But this is concerning gene editing. Now the
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Speaker 2: primary legislation has gone through on this, but in the
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Speaker 2: spring of this year twenty twenty five, we're going to
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Speaker 2: be seeing secondary legislation coming out as specifically with regard
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Speaker 2: to England and how gene editing in England is going
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Speaker 2: to go ahead, of course, posing the question of what
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Speaker 2: happens to the devolved administrations and indeed, with the mood
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Speaker 2: music being for closer relations with Europe, how this is
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Speaker 2: dealt with there, because in the European Union at the moment,
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Speaker 2: gene editing is not something that can be considered. So
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Speaker 2: that was what came out of or at least the
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Speaker 2: main points to come out of the Oxford Farming conferences.
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Speaker 2: And the other thing that's on the immediate horizon which
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Speaker 2: is causing a lot of concern for reasons that are
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Speaker 2: about to become clear, is the Climate and Nature Bill.
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Speaker 2: Now I've pulled up the page from the government website
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Speaker 2: and highlighted this particular bit of text because it says
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Speaker 2: there are no publications for this bill yet this can
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Speaker 2: often happen in an early stage of a bill when
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Speaker 2: it's not been fully drafted, So two points to make there.
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Speaker 2: First of all, the second reading will be on Friday,
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Speaker 2: the twenty fourth Friday, typically a day where the attendance
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Speaker 2: in the House Commons is very low, meaning that to
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Speaker 2: push something through or at least slip it under the
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Speaker 2: radar is made much easier. But secondly, to point out
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Speaker 2: that why on earth with government not have the data
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Speaker 2: comprised by the bill itself when zero hour has dealt
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Speaker 2: with previously. Buy mic on UK column News does have
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Speaker 2: a copy of the bill, so you can go to
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Speaker 2: that website to look at the PDF version of what
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Speaker 2: is contained. And the main point to make is that
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Speaker 2: the language used is suitably vague to make it sound
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Speaker 2: like there is, of course a climate emergency we must respond.
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Speaker 2: And indeed the various actions to be taken are not
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Speaker 2: so specific as to be measured or to have the
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Speaker 2: possibility of being measured very accurately, so that the idea
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Speaker 2: of whether or not it's succeeding is not something that's
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Speaker 2: necessarily dealt with by it. But of course it rests
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Speaker 2: on the premise that an increase of one point five
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Speaker 2: degrees celsius would be in the world's temperature. However, on
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Speaker 2: Earth that's actually measured would be catastrophic, something that of
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Speaker 2: course is completely unsubstantiated because nobody knows, and yet that
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Speaker 2: is what we work our way towards. I think it's
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Speaker 2: also worth pointing out that one of the sponsors of
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Speaker 2: this Private member's bill is the Labor and p alex
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Speaker 2: sobl and there was some controversy in recent times about
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Speaker 2: his meeting with population matters, something that he aimed to clarify,
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Speaker 2: but just to have an understanding of who these people are.
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Speaker 2: They promote positive, practical ethical solutions, encouraging smaller families, inspiring
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Speaker 2: people to reduce successive consumption, and helping us all to
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Speaker 2: live within our planet's natural limits. We support human rights,
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Speaker 2: women's empowerment, and global justice. So really what they mean
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Speaker 2: is they are interested in anything that is suggestive of
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Speaker 2: a decrease in population. And I think it's therefore very
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Speaker 2: significant to think that somebody putting forward a bill of
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Speaker 2: this nature is involved or has been involved in meetings
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Speaker 2: with an organization considering an outcome of a reduced population. Now,
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Speaker 2: as to the contents of the bill itself, there are
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Speaker 2: certain things that they would like the Secretary of State
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Speaker 2: to be bound to do, hitting various targets. Of course,
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Speaker 2: offsetting is one of the critical words that's often used
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Speaker 2: in any language pertaining to net zero, which means effectively,
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Speaker 2: if you have enough money here, you may do what
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Speaker 2: you please in order that somebody somewhere else may not
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Speaker 2: do that very thing. They talk about such nebulous concepts
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Speaker 2: as UK emissions to be no more than proportionate to
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Speaker 2: their share of the global carbon budget. Well, I'm not
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Speaker 2: sure quite who's going to be measuring that, or indeed
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Speaker 2: how it will be calculated, but somebody has tried to
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Speaker 2: put figure on it, perhaps with the assistance of Neil
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Speaker 2: Ferguson's calculator.
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Speaker 1: Who knows.
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Speaker 2: There's also a pledge to end fossil fuels in all
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Speaker 2: their forms, whether it be through the recovery or the
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Speaker 2: use of fossil fuels. So I suppose why hope, as
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Speaker 2: it were, maybe that there is industry pushback in the
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Speaker 2: form of lobbying versus this particular point, although, of course,
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Speaker 2: if money can be made out of it by those
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Speaker 2: companies that are currently engaged in the production and resourcing
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Speaker 2: of fossil fuels, then, of course that could be dead
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Speaker 2: in the water. As a point of opposition, it has
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Speaker 2: a certain amount of woke or progressive credentials. I think,
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Speaker 2: to highlight three, it specifically says that it is to
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Speaker 2: have a positive impact on those experiencing deprivation, the youth
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Speaker 2: and those with protected characteristics. Now, quite why they should
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Speaker 2: form a more significant part of the population than any
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Speaker 2: other is a mystery, and it's not qualified by the bill. Also, significantly,
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Speaker 2: with regard to sortition, the topic that's been covered by
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Speaker 2: Ben Rubin in particular on UK column News, there is
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Speaker 2: to be the establishment of what's called an independent expert
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Speaker 2: body to represent the UK a Climate and Nature Assembly.
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Speaker 2: It's not specified how those people will be selected or
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Speaker 2: indeed exactly what their readmit will be, but they will
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Speaker 2: wield a significant amount of power, as will the Climate
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Speaker 2: Change Committee and the Joint Nature Conservation Committee. Now we'll
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Speaker 2: just have a quick look at a video of the
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Speaker 2: previous chair of the Climate Change Committee trying to answer
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Speaker 2: what I thought was a very straightforward question. What I
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Speaker 2: would ask is is how do you explain the proposition
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Speaker 2: that approximately three percent of overall emissions of carbon dioxide
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Speaker 2: which are anthropogenic can affect the climate in such a
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Speaker 2: way that ninety seven percent of biogenic emissions seem not
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Speaker 2: to be able to well, it's very fact.
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Speaker 3: First of all, I don't say that as far Almost
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Speaker 3: every scientist in the world, every single major scientific institution,
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Speaker 3: says that's the first thing.
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Speaker 2: He's subsequently moved on, but clearly had absolutely no idea
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Speaker 2: what he was talking about. And the current incumbent, Piers Forster,
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Speaker 2: has so far refused my three requests for interview with
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Speaker 2: UK column, So we'll see how that goes. Now, if
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Speaker 2: you're interested in doing what you can to stop this
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Speaker 2: bill from proceeding, there's going to be an open zoom
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Speaker 2: call this evening, a link to which will be in
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Speaker 2: the show notes. And really I just wrap up by
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Speaker 2: saying that, of course, the point of this piece of
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Speaker 2: legislation is that it's suitably vague to be passed at
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Speaker 2: this stage, the primary stage where it would form an
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Speaker 2: Act of Parliament upon which secondary legislation can be built,
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Speaker 2: and that's where the detail would be. And that's exactly
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Speaker 2: where the land use and indeed land ownership among many
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Speaker 2: other things comes under significant threat. Like I don't know
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Speaker 2: if we've got time for any further sort of comment
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Speaker 2: from you on where you think this is going to go.
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Speaker 1: We'll talk about that an extra Absolutely, let's move on
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Speaker 1: to international affairs and welcome Vanessa to the program. Vanessa,
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Speaker 1: what has David LAMI been up to then?
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Speaker 4: Well, the usual rank hypocrisy on his tour of the
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Speaker 4: Middle East in increasing the ill fitting suits I have
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Speaker 4: to know in all of his photographs. So first of all,
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Speaker 4: he welcomes Iraq's Prime minister to discuss guess what fighting
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Speaker 4: daesh or isis as we know them in Syria and Iraq.
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Speaker 4: So UK increasing again its involvement and intervention in West Asia,
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Speaker 4: particularly in Syria and Iraq, as they always have done,
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Speaker 4: of course, and of course we have to remember the
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Speaker 4: UK is funding the ISIS holding camps in the northeast
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Speaker 4: of Syria. And then he bangs on about climate and
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Speaker 4: sustainable energy with the Foreign Minister.
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Speaker 3: I don't need to add anything to that. Then basically
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Speaker 3: you have him meeting the head of the Palestinian Authority,
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Speaker 3: Abu Mazen or mah Mudabas, and he talks of course
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Speaker 3: about the two state solution in the wake of the
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Speaker 3: so called ceasefire between Israel, and Gaza and talked about
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Speaker 3: an empowered Palestinian authority with a very aging Mahmud Abas
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Speaker 3: in charge. And of course recently there are multiple reports
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Speaker 3: on this, but this is just one from the cradle
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Speaker 3: Mahmoudabas's big gamble to crush West Bank resistance, and of
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Speaker 3: course they have been attacked by the PA Palestinian authority
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Speaker 3: on resistance factions and on civilians, particularly in the West Bank.
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Speaker 3: Then Lammi goes on to meet with members of the
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Speaker 3: Zionist regime and the families of the hostages with strong
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Speaker 3: UK links, bearing in mind the UK was providing so
18:51
Speaker 3: called intelligence and surveillance to try and find the UK
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Speaker 3: link hostages in Gaza. The government is using every diplomatic
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Speaker 3: lever and leaving no stone unturned in our efforts to
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Speaker 3: bring Emily and her fellow hostages home. However, of course,
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Speaker 3: what Lammi doesn't mention are the thousands of Palestinian hostages
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Speaker 3: or prisoners that have been taken over ten thousand, both
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Speaker 3: before seventh of October and after seventh of October. And
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Speaker 3: this is just a very short thirty second clip from
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Speaker 3: a longer EUROMAD monitor clip showing basically the Zionist forces
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Speaker 3: arrest of medical staff from the kamel Adwan Hospital in
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Speaker 3: the north of the Gaza Strip and they arrestd of
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Speaker 3: doctor Jussam Abusaphia, who, according to the investigation and the
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Speaker 3: report has been taken to stated Theiman which is the
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Speaker 3: prison that is notorious for the rape of interned Palestinian
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Speaker 3: civilians who are accused of being part of harm mask
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Speaker 3: and it goes into great detail about the treatment of
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Speaker 3: Topor of Hasam by the Zionis forces. This is not
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Speaker 3: at all addressed.
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Speaker 2: Looking up.
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Speaker 1: And it's not functioning at the moment. So, uh, let's see,
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Speaker 1: is it gonna is it gonna come back? Yes? Are
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Speaker 1: you back Vanessa? No, No, she's not. Okay, well we'll
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Speaker 1: have to we'll have to move on from that then,
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Speaker 1: and yeah, yeah, definitely not working. Are you back Vanessa? Hello, No, okay,
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Speaker 1: she's going to try and reconnect. Okay, well we'll come
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Speaker 1: back on to that again in a second. Let's move
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Speaker 1: on to this because are you back Fanessa? No, yes, yes,
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Speaker 1: I think so, Yeah, okay, let's have it. Let's have
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Speaker 1: a go then. So we were talking about yes, no,
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Speaker 1: this is this isn't gonna work. I'm sorry about that.
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Speaker 1: Try try reconnecting again if you can. And look what
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Speaker 1: we'll do is we'll play the David Miller video. Because
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Speaker 1: David Miller, who is somebody who was presenting at the
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Speaker 1: recent UK Column event in October, was successful in his
21:55
Speaker 1: employment tribunal against Bristol University over their discrimination of him
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Speaker 1: and his position on Zionism. He won his tribunal case,
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Speaker 1: but he has issued an update this week, so let's
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Speaker 1: have a listened to this.
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Speaker 5: Hello, I'm David Miller. I regret to inform you that
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Speaker 5: my landmark legal case against Bristol University is being appealed.
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Speaker 5: My case established that anti Zionist beliefs are protected under
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Speaker 5: the Equality Act twenty ten. We achieved a landmark legal victory.
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Speaker 5: The tribunal rule decisively in my favor, confirming that Bristol
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Speaker 5: University discriminated against me because of my anti Zionist beliefs.
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Speaker 5: They affirm that my belief is profound and cohesive and
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Speaker 5: worthy of respect in a democratic society. This verdict sets
22:45
Speaker 5: a vital precedent. No longer can employers harass, discipline, or
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Speaker 5: dismiss workers simply for voicing opposition to the racist, colonial
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Speaker 5: and genocidal ideology of Zionism. However, our struggle is not over.
23:00
Speaker 5: Bristol University has decided to appeal the tribunal's ruling against them,
23:04
Speaker 5: and they are determined to overturn this vital president.
23:09
Speaker 1: So David does need support. We'll have a link in
23:12
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23:15
Speaker 1: him out with his legal expenses. He needs to raise
23:18
Speaker 1: a reasonable amount of money. But I think this is
23:20
Speaker 1: a worthwhile effort. Vanessa, let's try one again once again. No,
23:27
Speaker 1: it's no problem. Just before we come back onto the
23:30
Speaker 1: report on Middle East, on Lammie, what are your thoughts
23:34
Speaker 1: on David's kiss.
23:42
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, well, I'm really sorry what I would say
23:47
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23:50
Speaker 2: that David spoke at UK column on vacation on the
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23:55
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23:57
Speaker 2: done so, again a link to that in the show notes,
24:01
Speaker 2: because he spoke very very well and it is a
24:03
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24:11
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24:14
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24:18
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25:40
Speaker 1: Roger and Roger about what happened historically and globally to
25:44
Speaker 1: affect the situation that farmers currently find themselves in. This
25:47
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25:53
Speaker 2: Well appetized last week, but coming up this Saturday near
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26:23
Speaker 1: And sorry the black slide there was supposed to be
26:25
Speaker 1: the interview with Mike Eden.
26:27
Speaker 2: It was yes, absolutely Dr Mike Eden, who gave a
26:30
Speaker 2: fantastic interview something that he described as being one of
26:33
Speaker 2: his best that went out yesterday and is now on
26:35
Speaker 2: the website. It was a very very calm and rational,
26:39
Speaker 2: logical explanation of Mike's belief as to the willful failure
26:46
Speaker 2: of the design of the COVID vaccine therefore with an
26:50
Speaker 2: intent to cause harm. And also he sets out his
26:54
Speaker 2: argument for debunking the narrative concerning contagion in the form
27:00
Speaker 2: of illness by virus delivery. So I would really encourage
27:04
Speaker 2: you to listen to it if you haven't done so already.
27:06
Speaker 2: But also what I would say is that it would
27:08
Speaker 2: be a very good one to share with other people,
27:10
Speaker 2: because the way in which Mike sets it out is
27:13
Speaker 2: so very clear, and of course it's prefixed by his
27:17
Speaker 2: very impressive credentials in the pharmaceutical industry. So I really
27:20
Speaker 2: would get into that and share it far and wide.
27:22
Speaker 1: Please. Okay, Now let's move on in to AI, and
27:27
Speaker 1: the British government has well on Monday announced that they
27:33
Speaker 1: are throwing the full width of Whitehall behind AI by
27:36
Speaker 1: agreeing what I'd say describe it to take forward all
27:39
Speaker 1: fifty recommendations set out by Matt Clifford in his game
27:44
Speaker 1: changing AI Opportunities Action Plan Now. Matt Clifford is described
27:48
Speaker 1: as a British entrepreneur and in the spring of twenty
27:52
Speaker 1: twenty three he helped design the Frontier AI Task Force,
27:55
Speaker 1: which later became known as the UK AI Safety Institute.
28:01
Speaker 1: Let's just have a look at Matt Clifford and what
28:05
Speaker 1: he had to say about this.
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Speaker 6: We're entering a new era of AI. This tech has
28:13
Speaker 6: the potential to improve everyone's lives across our country and
28:16
Speaker 6: to grow the economy. But to do this we need
28:19
Speaker 6: to invest in the UK's infrastructure and skills. So here
28:23
Speaker 6: are five recommendations from my AI Opportunity's Action partner. First,
28:28
Speaker 6: we're creating new AI growth zones. These will speed up
28:32
Speaker 6: the construction of AI data centers, huge warehousers full of
28:35
Speaker 6: computers that the power services like AI and data processing.
28:39
Speaker 6: This will help create new jobs and rejuvenate communities, and
28:43
Speaker 6: will set up an AI Energy Council to make sure
28:45
Speaker 6: that we power these zones in a clean and sustainable way. Second,
28:50
Speaker 6: will increase the government's compute capacity twentyfold this decade. Using
28:54
Speaker 6: new UK owned supercomputers with our own ability to churn
28:58
Speaker 6: through huge amounts of day we can drive forward research
29:01
Speaker 6: in our public services by the NHS. Third, will support
29:05
Speaker 6: our AI sector by hiring more UK based AI companies
29:09
Speaker 6: to do government work. Will make data sets publicly available
29:13
Speaker 6: and work with industry leaders to drive adoption. Fourth, we
29:18
Speaker 6: must train the UK's workforce in AI for future jobs,
29:22
Speaker 6: so we'll help employers upskill their staff and support universities
29:26
Speaker 6: to increase the number of AI graduates. And fifth will
29:30
Speaker 6: pilot new ways to improve public services with AI, whether
29:34
Speaker 6: that's making it quicker to access healthcare or cutting ADMIN
29:37
Speaker 6: for teachers. This is all while we continue our leading
29:41
Speaker 6: work to develop AI safely. This plan means AI will
29:45
Speaker 6: be put to work at the heart of the government's missions,
29:48
Speaker 6: and that work starts today to rebuild the country, kickstart
29:52
Speaker 6: economic growth and improve lives for everyone.
29:58
Speaker 2: Impressed impressed by his suggestion that it that eliminates ADMIN
30:03
Speaker 2: for teachers. Presumably he means teaching, yes, but no, I
30:07
Speaker 2: mean it took a looking at the graphics if you
30:09
Speaker 2: were able to view that on screen. It's amazing to
30:11
Speaker 2: be promoting something that is supposed to be absolutely at
30:15
Speaker 2: the front of the cutting edge, and to do it
30:17
Speaker 2: with graphics that looked like they were concocted in the
30:19
Speaker 2: nineteen seventies, so I would say that's a mixed message there.
30:24
Speaker 2: Not impressed.
30:24
Speaker 1: Yes, well, look he talked about the first ever AI
30:27
Speaker 1: growth zones being set up and these are areas across
30:30
Speaker 1: the country where the planning process will be subverted for
30:32
Speaker 1: the rabid build of data centers and to give them
30:37
Speaker 1: better and they're going to give them better access to
30:39
Speaker 1: the energy grid and also to draw in cash. The
30:43
Speaker 1: first of these is going to be in Culumn in Oxfordshire.
30:47
Speaker 1: A new Digital Center of Government is going to be
30:49
Speaker 1: set up within the Department of Science, Technology and Innovation.
30:53
Speaker 1: This is going to revolutionize how AI is used in
30:55
Speaker 1: the public sector, they claim, and they also claim that
30:58
Speaker 1: this is going to improve citizens lives and make government
31:01
Speaker 1: more efficient. We can believe that if we like. They
31:05
Speaker 1: also plan to set up a new team to keep
31:07
Speaker 1: us I presume they mean them at the forefront of
31:10
Speaker 1: emerging technology and this team is going to be going
31:14
Speaker 1: to what they describe as use the heft of the
31:17
Speaker 1: state to make the UK the best place for business
31:21
Speaker 1: and so on. Now, look what they're doing is they're
31:24
Speaker 1: guaranteeing corporations access to energy to run these data centers.
31:28
Speaker 1: And my first question is are they removing that guarantee
31:32
Speaker 1: from the rest of us And is that why we're
31:34
Speaker 1: seeing advertising everywhere at the moment from the national grid
31:37
Speaker 1: warning us to prepare for blackouts and a suspected possibly
31:40
Speaker 1: is So you know what Matt Clifford that was doing
31:45
Speaker 1: there was describing the fusion doctrinees describing a world where
31:49
Speaker 1: everyone's job is dependent and reliant on government. There's no
31:54
Speaker 1: better way to control the population, after all, And he's
31:57
Speaker 1: also describing a world ripe for the Post Office rising
32:00
Speaker 1: it scandal to be, you know, a fraction of what
32:03
Speaker 1: we're going to see in the future instead of being
32:06
Speaker 1: one of the biggest criminal conspiracies of our age. So
32:09
Speaker 1: I don't really know where this is going, but if
32:11
Speaker 1: we already know what it's like to deal with these human,
32:13
Speaker 1: faceless corporations that don't have any human contact with us
32:18
Speaker 1: any war. You can't even email corporations in many cases,
32:22
Speaker 1: and increasingly we're going to be dealing with directly with
32:25
Speaker 1: AI itself. And you know, all these billions that this
32:29
Speaker 1: government is now announcing is being spent on AI when
32:33
Speaker 1: they aren't even fixing the potholes in the road. Is
32:36
Speaker 1: this where money should be going? Answer the question, and
32:40
Speaker 1: this is why is Starmer doing this? And it's because,
32:43
Speaker 1: in my opinion, it's because the intention is to increase
32:47
Speaker 1: the level of farming of us that goes on our data,
32:50
Speaker 1: our lives. Health and social care is going to lead
32:53
Speaker 1: the way on this and this is a massive data exercise,
32:57
Speaker 1: and of course the Data Bill which is coming is
33:01
Speaker 1: a very big part of enabling it all. There's plenty
33:04
Speaker 1: of opportunity for us to get involved in pushing back
33:08
Speaker 1: against it, and hopefully we will. I think Vanessa's back.
33:12
Speaker 1: What we'll do is we'll do Charles's EV segment night
33:16
Speaker 1: and then we'll come on to doing going back to
33:18
Speaker 1: Lammie and also the rest that Vanessa has for us.
33:21
Speaker 1: So thanks for sticking with it, Vanessa. I'm glad to
33:26
Speaker 1: see you back there.
33:28
Speaker 2: So do the EV segment and there on to that,
33:31
Speaker 2: we'll do no today with great sort of fanfare. We'll
33:35
Speaker 2: be told that sales of electronic vehicles have gone up
33:38
Speaker 2: twenty five percent across the world. Of course, significant detail
33:41
Speaker 2: for anybody living in this country is that in Europe
33:44
Speaker 2: that is represented by a decline of three percent. So
33:47
Speaker 2: in fact the traffic is not going in the direction
33:51
Speaker 2: that they would wish in this part of the world,
33:54
Speaker 2: which I should think should be taken as an encouraging sign.
33:58
Speaker 2: The market has of course been saturated, and indeed take
34:01
Speaker 2: up so far has largely been as a result of
34:04
Speaker 2: absurd incentives that are met of course by the taxpayer.
34:08
Speaker 2: But the graph for Africa produced by Statista shows the
34:13
Speaker 2: current levels up to the black line represented on the
34:16
Speaker 2: graph and to the right of which are projected sales.
34:19
Speaker 2: But I've put a great big red arrow towards the
34:22
Speaker 2: year of twenty twenty, which was one of course of
34:25
Speaker 2: terrific acceleration in their terms, after the political, economic, and
34:30
Speaker 2: social pandemic, but not of course a health one. And
34:35
Speaker 2: talking about Africa, a good place to concentrate is Ethiopia,
34:40
Speaker 2: which has introduced legislation to prohibit the import of vehicles
34:46
Speaker 2: that are not battery powered, which of course is going
34:50
Speaker 2: to very much change the landscape, not least in a
34:53
Speaker 2: country that is not very well known for its stability
34:57
Speaker 2: of supply of electricity.
34:59
Speaker 1: But this is yd have reported.
35:01
Speaker 2: On them from Hong Kong, Chinese manufacturer primarily of batteries.
35:06
Speaker 2: Now interestingly this coincides with the relaunch or indeed a
35:10
Speaker 2: new launch of the Ethiopian stock Market, and one might
35:15
Speaker 2: think how coincidental, and you know where will that go?
35:20
Speaker 2: But of course the detail I'd like to pull out
35:23
Speaker 2: of it is that on the stock market's new website
35:25
Speaker 2: they refer to a digital academy, and we just have
35:29
Speaker 2: a quick look behind that and see that that's done
35:32
Speaker 2: with the support of FSD Ethiopia, which is Financial Section, sorry,
35:37
Speaker 2: Financial Sector Deepening Africa, specifically the Ethiopia Division. And who
35:41
Speaker 2: is that funded by none other than the United Kingdom,
35:44
Speaker 2: the Bill and Lindigates Foundation, the Swiss Ray Foundation, and
35:48
Speaker 2: the International Finance Corporation. So we move from foreign influence,
35:53
Speaker 2: one might say, to consider foreign interference, and this takes
35:58
Speaker 2: us to the Horn of Africa, somewhere I've reported on
36:02
Speaker 2: a fair amount in the past, a place where the
36:04
Speaker 2: United Kingdom is determined to be able to play both
36:06
Speaker 2: sides in saying that they are behind the sovereignty of
36:11
Speaker 2: Somalia whilst also supporting the development of the port of
36:14
Speaker 2: Berbera in Somali land, granting Ethiopia access to coast that
36:20
Speaker 2: are otherwise denied. Now, this follows Mike's segment because what
36:25
Speaker 2: you see on screen now and if you can't see it,
36:27
Speaker 2: it's a photograph generated by artificial intelligence of what a
36:31
Speaker 2: Tesla gigafactory would look like in berbera Somali land, according
36:36
Speaker 2: to Grok. If you haven't heard of Grok, well done.
36:39
Speaker 2: It's the Google sorry not Google Twitter X version of
36:44
Speaker 2: an artificial intelligence thing that you can ask questions of
36:47
Speaker 2: and it will give you answers of some description. But
36:50
Speaker 2: nonetheless it's created this fictional image now to illustrate the
36:56
Speaker 2: dangers one might say, of AI and the ludicrous directions
36:59
Speaker 2: that it can and go. In further to this, there's
37:03
Speaker 2: now been a video produced of what Berber might look
37:08
Speaker 2: like if such a development was to go ahead. And
37:10
Speaker 2: of course I should reiterate at this point that this
37:12
Speaker 2: is based on absolutely nothing. Tesla have not said they're
37:15
Speaker 2: going to do this. This is purely somebody asking an
37:17
Speaker 2: AI tool what would happen if such and such a
37:20
Speaker 2: thing were to take place, But this is the AI
37:22
Speaker 2: video of it.
37:25
Speaker 7: Berbera port in Somaliland located on the Gulf of Aden,
37:30
Speaker 7: is a vital gateway to Africa and a geostrategic hub
37:34
Speaker 7: on one of the world's busiest trade routes. For Tesla,
37:38
Speaker 7: this represents an unmatched opportunity to access Africa's booming markets
37:43
Speaker 7: and drive the continent's green revolution. Africa, with over one
37:47
Speaker 7: point three billion people, is rapidly urbanizing, and demand for
37:52
Speaker 7: electric vehicles and renewable energy is skyrocketing. Berbera offers Tesla
37:57
Speaker 7: a central base to deliver electric vehicles, solar power and
38:02
Speaker 7: battery storage to East Africa, the Horn of Africa and beyond,
38:06
Speaker 7: all while reducing costs and transit time.
38:11
Speaker 2: So that's completely fig It's utterly and completely fake. But
38:14
Speaker 2: of course it's now out there and it means that
38:18
Speaker 2: people will look at it and it will get shared
38:20
Speaker 2: on social media, and before you know it, people will
38:22
Speaker 2: be convinced that Tesla is indeed setting up in the
38:25
Speaker 2: Horn of Africa. But of course that is not outside
38:27
Speaker 2: the bones of possibility, because, of course, the Horn has
38:30
Speaker 2: enormous strategic importance, not just for the reasons I've mentioned
38:34
Speaker 2: just now, but also for its proximity to Djibouti and
38:38
Speaker 2: control of the Red Sea ports there, but specifically because
38:41
Speaker 2: of the location of the Americans, Chinese and the Russians
38:46
Speaker 2: all in that part of the world. So this is
38:48
Speaker 2: not so outlandish, but the problem is it may end
38:51
Speaker 2: up now driving a narrative. Now, whilst we talk about
38:55
Speaker 2: EV's and batteries, just as an aside, I'm just going
38:58
Speaker 2: to pull out a headline for the Daily Mail, effectively
39:02
Speaker 2: dismissing at will the suggestion that the enormous number of
39:07
Speaker 2: lithium batteries contained in the vicinity of Los Angeles where
39:11
Speaker 2: the fires are being experienced, could have had anything to
39:13
Speaker 2: do with fire, as though in this particular instance there's
39:17
Speaker 2: no way that a lithium battery would catch fire. So
39:19
Speaker 2: it is perfectly astonishing how the narrative is driven pardon
39:24
Speaker 2: the pun in this particular respect. Now to come back
39:28
Speaker 2: to reality, of course, whilst that AI video is a nonsense,
39:33
Speaker 2: what's been happening in South Africa is most certainly not.
39:36
Speaker 2: And Bloomberg here reporting that Elon Musk has been meeting
39:39
Speaker 2: the President of South Africa, Cyril Ramaposa, and the critical
39:43
Speaker 2: detail to come out of this, bearing in mind how
39:45
Speaker 2: we're all supposed to behave in accordance to one another
39:49
Speaker 2: and international law, he and Musk have been in contact
39:52
Speaker 2: to discuss ways for the government to change the rules
39:55
Speaker 2: to allow Starlink's high speed internet to operate legally in
39:58
Speaker 2: South Africa. Now, what does this have to do with
40:01
Speaker 2: evs or with batteries or with Tesla, you might wonder,
40:04
Speaker 2: But of course the deal is first of all, in
40:06
Speaker 2: this age where diversity rules. The specific rules that they
40:11
Speaker 2: are talking about changing in South Africa is to do
40:13
Speaker 2: with the ownership the law about ownership of the business
40:17
Speaker 2: being at least thirty percent Black, and this is what
40:19
Speaker 2: Musk wants to change. In all likelihood it will, But
40:22
Speaker 2: in delivering Starlink, or indeed foisting Starlink upon South Africa,
40:27
Speaker 2: he is effectively leveraging that against investment via Tesla to
40:33
Speaker 2: put up a Tesla plant in South Africa. And so
40:36
Speaker 2: that's effectively the way that this works. And although not
40:39
Speaker 2: in any way covert, this is a very good example
40:43
Speaker 2: of how corporate deep state entities will manipulate the situation
40:48
Speaker 2: in whichever country they victimize, or indeed that the entire world. Now,
40:52
Speaker 2: last year I showed how Starlink has been enabling the
40:56
Speaker 2: right kind of war. This was to do with the
40:58
Speaker 2: conflict in Russia and Ukraine and the SpaceX delivery of
41:01
Speaker 2: the Starlink communication platform, not enabling Russia, China, Belarus, Afghanistan,
41:06
Speaker 2: North Korea, Venezuela, Cuba, Syria or Iran from using its services.
41:10
Speaker 2: Now an update to that because this year Venezuela and
41:14
Speaker 2: Cuba have now been permitted to use it. But of
41:17
Speaker 2: course this is a double edged sword because it will
41:20
Speaker 2: of course be not just control mechanism but also a
41:23
Speaker 2: massive data harvesting exercise. So the question is really, do
41:27
Speaker 2: you as a country want Starlink to be running your
41:30
Speaker 2: communications platforms. I think that's a question that should be asked,
41:34
Speaker 2: particularly in light of where they're going with this development
41:38
Speaker 2: in Southern Africa and quite possibly in the Horn of Africa.
41:40
Speaker 2: We shall see how correct AI may be on that.
41:43
Speaker 2: The only thing I would add is also to just
41:46
Speaker 2: make reference to a comment made by Richard Dearlove, the
41:50
Speaker 2: formerhead of MI six, who has kicked up fast recently
41:52
Speaker 2: about Chinese involvement in renewable energy technology in the UK.
41:57
Speaker 2: And it seems remarkable that he can make such comment
41:59
Speaker 2: and ignore or the Israeli control over defense communications and
42:03
Speaker 2: technological platforms in the UK, or indeed the delivery of
42:08
Speaker 2: space assets and communications platforms of our elon masks. Many
42:12
Speaker 2: businesses and.
42:13
Speaker 1: Completely ignore the is really involvement in just about every
42:18
Speaker 1: piece of consumer electronics as well in terms of Internet
42:22
Speaker 1: connectivity and so on. Well, Vanessa, it looks like the
42:27
Speaker 1: connection has been stable for a little bit. Nice, So
42:30
Speaker 1: are you there?
42:32
Speaker 3: I am. I'm trying it on for gen now. I
42:35
Speaker 3: don't know what's happening with the internet the last two days.
42:37
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, well that is fine. So let's come back
42:40
Speaker 1: on to David Lammy and he was speaking with what
42:45
Speaker 1: the news Syrian foreign minister.
42:49
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, the foreign minister of the terrorist HTS group.
42:55
Speaker 3: And just to demonstrate and of course Blamy is not
42:59
Speaker 3: going to get hit with the Anti Terrorists Act Section
43:03
Speaker 3: twelve when he returns to the UK, Nor are any
43:07
Speaker 3: of the officials from Europe or from the UK particularly
43:10
Speaker 3: that have been visiting Syria and meeting with HDS still
43:14
Speaker 3: a prescribed terrorist group in the UK. And if we
43:17
Speaker 3: look at this was from the Charity Commission back in
43:21
Speaker 3: twenty eighteen where actually they raised the alarm that the
43:25
Speaker 3: humanitarian aid particularly from the UK, that was going through
43:29
Speaker 3: northern Syria on the border with Turkey at Babbo Hower,
43:35
Speaker 3: the fact that that crossing was run by HTS, that
43:39
Speaker 3: was deemed a terrorist organization in May twenty seventeen, and
43:44
Speaker 3: of course we know that the hypocrisy will continue and
43:47
Speaker 3: that HTS will effectively be normalized eventually. An article in
43:53
Speaker 3: Lemont very recently shows that Syria's HTS is a movement
43:57
Speaker 3: that allegedly has the radical from the top. And then
44:03
Speaker 3: if we look at a post on X from from
44:09
Speaker 3: am I still there?
44:14
Speaker 1: Sorry? Yes you are still there? Yes, Oh, I'm sorry.
44:17
Speaker 3: A post from David Miller on X basically saying he's
44:22
Speaker 3: talking about it, as I said, the so called ceasefire
44:25
Speaker 3: between Gaza and Israel. The argument that, of course this
44:28
Speaker 3: is purely to make Trump look good, to give Nettannohu
44:31
Speaker 3: the reason that Trump forced him to make the ceasefire,
44:34
Speaker 3: and of course to enable normalization with the Gulf States
44:39
Speaker 3: in particular Saudi Arabia, and David draws attention to the
44:44
Speaker 3: fact that it's not just the Saudis that will zionize.
44:48
Speaker 3: Syria has already finished Lebanon and Iraq a on the
44:50
Speaker 3: chopping block, and Jordan and Egypt are expected to see
44:54
Speaker 3: territory also. That's before we get to the zionization deals
44:58
Speaker 3: that will really forced on Pakistan. Malaysia, Indonesia and others.
45:03
Speaker 3: This is not a cease fire. It's way of opening
45:05
Speaker 3: up new theaters now that Gaza has been destroyed. And
45:09
Speaker 3: of course we've been talking about the Zionization also of Europe.
45:13
Speaker 1: You can the US for some time. Okay, well, thank
45:17
Speaker 1: you for that, Vanessa. But let's move on then to
45:19
Speaker 1: the issue of sort of neo colonialization, because obviously people
45:23
Speaker 1: that have been left behind in Syria are suffering badly.
45:29
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, this is something that I want to
45:32
Speaker 3: highlight because we were talking about the fact might that
45:35
Speaker 3: you know, we we deal with the incoming threats and
45:39
Speaker 3: then once we've dealt with one particular incoming threat, we
45:42
Speaker 3: kind of breathe a sigh of relief and we relax.
45:45
Speaker 3: And I think what happened in Syria demonstrates the length
45:49
Speaker 3: of time that the ruling elite are prepared to wait
45:52
Speaker 3: for their plans to come into a fact and therefore
45:56
Speaker 3: any pushback can't be relaxed, it has to be unt
46:00
Speaker 3: So this is a headline. Turkey is angered by possible
46:04
Speaker 3: French presence on the Syrian border, which of course will
46:07
Speaker 3: be in the northeast where they've been supporting the Kurdish
46:11
Speaker 3: separatists for some time, and then basically Turkey had strongly
46:15
Speaker 3: rejected a proposal to deploy French troops along the Syrian
46:19
Speaker 3: border to establish a so called secure zone. And what
46:23
Speaker 3: they basically say is, like France is a small country,
46:26
Speaker 3: it can't act without the United States. Turkey is feeling
46:30
Speaker 3: very empowered at the moment, both towards Russia and towards
46:35
Speaker 3: the EU, and even I would say towards Israel and
46:38
Speaker 3: the US. This of course partitioning plan goes back to
46:42
Speaker 3: John Kerry, and it goes back way before that. But
46:44
Speaker 3: let's look at twenty sixteen, John Carey talked about the
46:48
Speaker 3: partition of Syria, which could be part of Plan B
46:51
Speaker 3: if these talks fail. In twenty eighteen, Turky was already
46:55
Speaker 3: warning France that they could become a target for supporting
46:59
Speaker 3: the Kurdish separatus inside Syria. And then when we look
47:03
Speaker 3: at the fact that Turkey is now pushing for the
47:05
Speaker 3: elimination of the Kurdish lad US allied Syria Democratic forces,
47:10
Speaker 3: what he's basically saying is I own, I'm entitled to
47:15
Speaker 3: northern Syria, and nobody is going to get in and
47:18
Speaker 3: partition that area of the country. He's talking about not
47:22
Speaker 3: partitioning all of Syria, but what.
47:23
Speaker 8: He's talking about its protecting the interests in the interests
47:33
Speaker 8: of the Neo Ottoma.
47:35
Speaker 3: What we have some are continued persecutions, particularly of Christians
47:39
Speaker 3: and Alo Whites.
47:40
Speaker 5: But also.
47:47
Speaker 1: No Muslims.
47:52
Speaker 3: The object inside Syria, isn't it?
47:58
Speaker 1: Yeah right, I'm very sorry, but clearly this is problematic today,
48:05
Speaker 1: so we're just going to have to move on. I'm afraid. Okay,
48:11
Speaker 1: let's move on then to what are we looking at?
48:14
Speaker 1: Family cards? Family courts?
48:16
Speaker 2: Yes, this funny enough follows a segment that Brian was
48:20
Speaker 2: dealing with on Monday's News and concerned an article written
48:25
Speaker 2: back in twenty eighteenth Guardian about the kidnap of children
48:28
Speaker 2: by the state, written by a journalists called Louise Tickle.
48:30
Speaker 2: Now we go on several years and find that she
48:34
Speaker 2: is currently in the Court of Appeal and this is
48:38
Speaker 2: concerning the anonymisation of judges in family court hearings. So
48:45
Speaker 2: she is the appeal started yesterday in the Civil Division
48:49
Speaker 2: of Court Appeal that There'll be a link in the
48:51
Speaker 2: show notes. And it certainly is a very interesting one
48:54
Speaker 2: to watch, specifically on the sort of technical basis of it,
48:59
Speaker 2: but really her appeal is in her capacity as a
49:03
Speaker 2: journalist and is based on release of information by a
49:09
Speaker 2: family court. But the withholding of the judge, now by
49:13
Speaker 2: that you mean the judges identity, sorry, absolutely the identity
49:18
Speaker 2: of the judge. The specific case is that of Sarah Sharif,
49:23
Speaker 2: who was murdered by her parents following decisions taken by
49:26
Speaker 2: a family court. So whilst this could be seen as
49:29
Speaker 2: sort of pushing an agenda suggesting that the failure of
49:33
Speaker 2: the state to protect a children a child by taking
49:37
Speaker 2: it away from its parents, is there, this really is
49:41
Speaker 2: about a wider issue and this is now going through it.
49:47
Speaker 2: But it also deals with not just the judgment that
49:52
Speaker 2: was made to anonymize the particular judge, but also the
49:55
Speaker 2: faulty logic that was set out in order to make
49:59
Speaker 2: that decision. But of course what it paves the way
50:01
Speaker 2: for is further anonymization and therefore judges being able to
50:06
Speaker 2: act in such a way that they may not have
50:08
Speaker 2: considered previously because they know that they would be anonymous.
50:11
Speaker 2: And also, yet again to mention AI, it's already been
50:15
Speaker 2: suggested by various judges they would use AI in summing
50:19
Speaker 2: up is this indeed opening the door for further use
50:23
Speaker 2: of AI in the family courts, which, obviously, as covered
50:27
Speaker 2: many many times by UK column, are a place of
50:30
Speaker 2: dire outcomes for families on a very very unfortunately regular basis.
50:36
Speaker 2: Now this also illustrates the way in which the Human
50:39
Speaker 2: Rights actor is wielded and the supposed balance between articulate
50:44
Speaker 2: and Article ten articulate being the right to a private
50:47
Speaker 2: family life and Article ten being freedom of expression in
50:50
Speaker 2: this case journalism and journalistic freedom of expression. And of
50:54
Speaker 2: course it falls to a judge to decide in which
51:00
Speaker 2: well camp effectively the favor is to swing, which is
51:06
Speaker 2: factually a bizarre and arbitrary mechanism for deciding the fate
51:11
Speaker 2: of children in the first instance, but also the public
51:15
Speaker 2: interest part of this, which of course is going to
51:19
Speaker 2: be obscured far further if this does go ahead, but
51:23
Speaker 2: as yet inconclusive because it's in session, so I will
51:26
Speaker 2: aim to get back to next week on exactly where
51:29
Speaker 2: this is where this is going. I have been in
51:32
Speaker 2: touch with Juisticle to try to set up a telephone
51:34
Speaker 2: call with her to work out what she makes of this. Now,
51:37
Speaker 2: the only other thing to draw your attention to first
51:40
Speaker 2: of all the note from the Surrey County Court going
51:46
Speaker 2: back last year to the judgment that she is appealing,
51:49
Speaker 2: but also to point out that this appeal is being
51:52
Speaker 2: sponsored by Tortoise Media. Now, Tortise Media has been covered
51:56
Speaker 2: an awful lot by UK column in recent times, and
52:00
Speaker 2: of course with the combining of Tortoise, the Guardian Media
52:04
Speaker 2: Group and Scott Trust, this does perhaps suggest a direction
52:09
Speaker 2: of travel for Tortoise.
52:13
Speaker 1: Yes. No, Vanessa was kind of enough to send an
52:16
Speaker 1: article by Craig Murray to me yesterday and I just
52:19
Speaker 1: want to highlight this maybe we'll get some comment on
52:22
Speaker 1: it in a second. The headline is how the establishment
52:25
Speaker 1: functions the real dark Web, and so in this article
52:30
Speaker 1: Craig Murray is pointing out that, for example, Kerse Starmer
52:35
Speaker 1: appointed this lily whose name escapes me so to apologize
52:39
Speaker 1: Alison Levitt to basically investigate Starmer's role in the prosecution
52:47
Speaker 1: or non prosecution of Jimmy Saville. Now she is married
52:51
Speaker 1: to Lord Carlyle, and the point is that Craig Murray
52:57
Speaker 1: is making us Lord Carlyle is very good friends or
53:01
Speaker 1: was very good friends with two absolute pedophiles in Cyril
53:05
Speaker 1: Smith and Lord Janner. Now he is not making any
53:09
Speaker 1: allegations against Lord Carlyle at all, but as we'll see,
53:14
Speaker 1: you'll see the point that he's making in a second.
53:16
Speaker 1: So this is what he had to say. We now
53:18
Speaker 1: know that the police had a great deal of corroborative
53:21
Speaker 1: evidence for Beck's claim that Janner was abusing children in
53:25
Speaker 1: care homes. So this was one of the people who
53:27
Speaker 1: was making the claims about Lord Janner. I do not
53:30
Speaker 1: claim that Carlile knew this. I do not know, says
53:33
Speaker 1: Craig Murray. Carlile states that Janner is his friend, or
53:36
Speaker 1: was his friend. They were both MPs, both QC's, both
53:39
Speaker 1: members of Friends of Israel, both patrons of UK Lawyers
53:42
Speaker 1: for Israel and of the Friends Visuel Education Foundation. Alex
53:47
Speaker 1: Carlyle may well have had no idea Janner was a pedophile.
53:50
Speaker 1: After all, he shared a cramped parliamentary office for Civil
53:53
Speaker 1: Smith for many years and apparently never realized Smith was
53:56
Speaker 1: prolific pedophile. Possibly Alex carl was simply a particularly unobservant man,
54:02
Speaker 1: says Craig Murray in the article. I've often noticed that
54:05
Speaker 1: ordinary people like you and I manage in general to
54:07
Speaker 1: live our entire lives with no connection of friendship to
54:10
Speaker 1: pedophiles at all, Yet the powerful are always finding they're
54:14
Speaker 1: connected to Janner's Epstein, Savell Smith's Mound Battons, et cetera,
54:18
Speaker 1: entirely by accident. It is, of course, all nothing but accident,
54:22
Speaker 1: bad luck and coincidence. To wonder if it might be
54:25
Speaker 1: otherwise is to be a mad proto fascist conspiracy theorist.
54:29
Speaker 1: Apparently there's much more in this article, and I do
54:32
Speaker 1: recommend that people go and look at it. But Vanessa,
54:36
Speaker 1: before we come back to finish your segment, what were
54:39
Speaker 1: your thoughts on this?
54:41
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's yeah, I mean it's fascinating. I think,
54:46
Speaker 3: as you said, to look into the depth of the
54:50
Speaker 3: web that has been woven at the moment with all
54:53
Speaker 3: the various grooming games and pedophile places that are ongoing.
54:59
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, indeed, and in the meantime we focus on
55:02
Speaker 1: one particular demographic. And as I have said before, it's
55:05
Speaker 1: right that anybody that's been involved in grooming gangs is
55:08
Speaker 1: absolutely prosecuted. Who nobody would be suggesting otherwise. But we
55:13
Speaker 1: do have to recognize the reality of this country and
55:16
Speaker 1: see the situation for what it is. It's much broader
55:20
Speaker 1: than that one particular issue. Okay, look, let's finish as
55:24
Speaker 1: by coming back to your segment then, and I think
55:28
Speaker 1: we had got to this point the issue of the
55:34
Speaker 1: minor rallies.
55:35
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, nice, of the gallas being erected to further
55:39
Speaker 3: persecute particularly the Alo Whites on the coast and recently
55:44
Speaker 3: one of the leaders of the Alo Whites is actually
55:47
Speaker 3: called for French excuse me, French intervention.
55:53
Speaker 5: Now.
55:53
Speaker 3: Of course this goes back to the history of Syria.
55:58
Speaker 3: The Alo White region, which is known to be in
56:02
Speaker 3: the coastal areas, which became part of Syria as a
56:07
Speaker 3: byproduct of the notoriously secret nineteen sixteen psychs Pico agreement
56:14
Speaker 3: between France and Britain. It was placed under the French mandate.
56:19
Speaker 3: After the end of World War One and after defeating
56:22
Speaker 3: and evicting the British back Syrian king Faisal in nineteen twenty, France,
56:27
Speaker 3: in a divide and rule strategy, partitioned Syrian territories into
56:31
Speaker 3: poor parks, one of which was Latakia, where most of
56:34
Speaker 3: the population was Alowite, and of course that gave France
56:37
Speaker 3: control over the levant coastal region. And if we look
56:43
Speaker 3: at this is basically the French mandate map. You can
56:46
Speaker 3: see the Alowite state in purple. You can see the
56:49
Speaker 3: Aleppo state in the north, which now of course has
56:52
Speaker 3: been contested by not only Turkey and France, but also
56:56
Speaker 3: the US and Israel, the state of Damascus sorry, the
57:02
Speaker 3: Druze state in the south. They're very similar to what
57:04
Speaker 3: we're seeing attempted now in Syria. And of course I
57:10
Speaker 3: mentioned last week, we're saying the race again between France
57:12
Speaker 3: and Turkey to gain control of the coastal area and
57:17
Speaker 3: the gas reserves off the coast of Syria very important.
57:20
Speaker 3: And again people can freeze frame the next map and
57:23
Speaker 3: take a good look. But this is what the Ottoman
57:25
Speaker 3: Empire consisted of, and this is clearly what Erlowan is
57:29
Speaker 3: trying to head toward. The dark brown is the original
57:33
Speaker 3: Ottoman Empire, and the various colors of pink are the
57:37
Speaker 3: areas into which the Ottoman Empire expanded into. The white
57:44
Speaker 3: are basically the vassal state. So again we can see
57:47
Speaker 3: the direction of travel both for France, the EU, the US,
57:52
Speaker 3: Israel at the Gulf State and Turkey by looking at
57:56
Speaker 3: these maps. And this was actually a map that has
57:58
Speaker 3: been produced by the Institute of the Study of War,
58:02
Speaker 3: which shows again and very clearly the current partitioning. The
58:05
Speaker 3: striping is the area that was called contested Syrian territory.
58:11
Speaker 3: The blue circle is the Altana unlawful US military base.
58:16
Speaker 4: And then you have.
58:17
Speaker 3: The various armed factions in yellow in the south and
58:20
Speaker 3: around Altana, some of which of course were let's say,
58:24
Speaker 3: brought together by Russia after the Dallar Agreement in twenty
58:28
Speaker 3: eighteen and they formed the Fifth Legion, which was the
58:32
Speaker 3: legion that actually invaded Damascus before HTS, but most likely
58:37
Speaker 3: under the control of Israel. In the US. You have
58:41
Speaker 3: there also in the brown the coastal region which includes,
58:45
Speaker 3: as we've mentioned, the Allo White State or the proposed state,
58:48
Speaker 3: but all of that area currently is under the control
58:51
Speaker 3: of the Neo Altoman forces HTS and the Turkmen, who
58:56
Speaker 3: also have controlled the Turkmen which are the formerly Free
59:00
Speaker 3: Army in the yellow areas in the north, and then
59:03
Speaker 3: also the Israeli US EU project in the purple, which
59:08
Speaker 3: is the STF. So unfortunately, as I said, we're heading
59:11
Speaker 3: towards what appears.
59:13
Speaker 4: To be.
59:15
Speaker 3: The increased persecution of minorities in Syria, which will lead
59:19
Speaker 3: to the calls for foreign intervention, which will lead to
59:23
Speaker 3: the partitioning project coming to fruition. So, as I said,
59:27
Speaker 3: and I want to finish on that very quickly, we
59:30
Speaker 3: must never relax our resistance. We must never bring down
59:35
Speaker 3: our guard because while we are relaxing, they are planning
59:40
Speaker 3: and preparing the next steps. And I think you know
59:42
Speaker 3: this is an incredibly important lesson that we need to
59:45
Speaker 3: take away from what happened in Syria.
59:48
Speaker 1: Well, thank you for Essa, and I think that's something
59:50
Speaker 1: one of the things that I want to talk about
59:51
Speaker 1: a bit more, an extra as well. And look what
59:54
Speaker 1: we're going to do is because Vanessa's segments today we're
59:57
Speaker 1: a bit broken up, we will get those edited together.
59:59
Speaker 1: So when Kenny puts out the extracts from that, no,
1:00:02
Speaker 1: I don't apologize, it's not your fault. So when Kenny
1:00:06
Speaker 1: puts out the extracts, we will put those side as
1:00:09
Speaker 1: proper segments, two separate segments, as they were intended to
1:00:13
Speaker 1: be in the first place. But we've got to leave
1:00:15
Speaker 1: it there for today. I'm going to say thank you
1:00:17
Speaker 1: very much to everybody for joining us today. We'll be
1:00:19
Speaker 1: back if you the UK Call member in a few
1:00:22
Speaker 1: minutes for some extra Otherwise, we will see you on Friday,
1:00:28
Speaker 1: but don't forget the interview tomorrow at one pm. See
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Speaker 1: you then, Bye bye, bye bye