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Alison Rich Disobeys Bridger · I Said No Gifts! A comedy interview podcast with Bridger Winegar

• 0:08
  Speaker 1: And I invited you here. I thought I made myself
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  Speaker 1: perfectly clear. When you're a guest to my home, you
• 0:21
  Speaker 1: gotta come to me empty. And I said, no, guests,
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  Speaker 1: your own presences presents enough. I already had too much stuff,
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  Speaker 1: So how do you dare to surbey me?
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to I said, no gifts. I'm Richard whine girl. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: I hope you're doing better than I am. It's been
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  Speaker 2: quite a more. There was the traffic on the way here.
• 1:02
  Speaker 2: I got here moments after we were supposed to start recording.
• 1:07
  Speaker 2: What else is going on? My electric toothbrush battery dyed.
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  Speaker 2: I had to brush my teeth manually like they did
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  Speaker 2: in the Bible, which is tough for me. And now
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  Speaker 2: I didn't even start recharging it. So now I'll have
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  Speaker 2: to do it tonight. I'm gonna have to do it again.
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  Speaker 2: That's tough for you to hear. You should, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: think about how I feel. No one is ever watching
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  Speaker 2: out for me emotionally on this podcast. It's all just me.
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  Speaker 2: No one ever thinks about how I feel. Oh, is
• 1:38
  Speaker 2: there anything good happening? I bought a bag of dirt
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  Speaker 2: yesterday and that's probably all we'll talk about. Today because
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  Speaker 2: that's the bright point in my life, and I think
• 1:53
  Speaker 2: that's everything I've brought. The mood way up. People are cheering,
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  Speaker 2: they're so excited to be here. I actually am excited
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  Speaker 2: to be here because I love today's guests. Everybody really
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  Speaker 2: adores today's guest. It's Alison rich Alison, welcome to I
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  Speaker 2: said no gifts.
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  Speaker 3: Hello, thank you so much. Can I start off with
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  Speaker 3: a big regret?
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  Speaker 2: Oh? I love regret.
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  Speaker 3: So I was trying to do a little joke before
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  Speaker 3: by slurping lock into the mic with my diet coke,
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  Speaker 3: and now I still have like detritus or something. So
• 2:24
  Speaker 3: I've got to cough.
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  Speaker 2: Micro choking holding it. Let's hear it.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, Now I can free throatedly.
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  Speaker 2: Can I match you?
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  Speaker 3: Please?
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  Speaker 2: There we go, just in case.
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  Speaker 3: And I I it may come back. You know it's
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  Speaker 3: and I didn't even I'm yeah, I'm not in a
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  Speaker 3: top podcasting form. It's been like, I don't know, a
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  Speaker 3: month since the last time podcast.
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  Speaker 2: When was the last time you had a drink of
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  Speaker 2: liquid or alcohol of liquid?
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  Speaker 3: You know, three minutes ago when I was trying to
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  Speaker 3: do this.
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  Speaker 2: I know, but before this, you're obviously not in practice.
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  Speaker 3: I know, you know, I took a spinder for the road. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: kind of. So now there's an open can in my car,
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  Speaker 3: and I know it's gonna.
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  Speaker 2: Be how much did you drink?
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  Speaker 3: I probably drink like three SIPs. I'm terrible. I'm so
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  Speaker 3: wasteful when it comes, you know, and then I'll put
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  Speaker 3: it back in the fridge and be like I'll come
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  Speaker 3: back to that, and then I won't. And my fridge
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  Speaker 3: has a weird uh something to it where if you
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  Speaker 3: leave a drink in there for a minute and you
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  Speaker 3: drink it later, you're like, there's a new taste.
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  Speaker 2: Oh no, there's like some sort of renegade food in
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  Speaker 2: your fridge that's making everything taste like that, maybe like
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  Speaker 2: a strong hummus.
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  Speaker 3: But it's a real like chemical, metallic, like not food
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  Speaker 3: seeming taste.
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  Speaker 2: Answer.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, something like the sheddings of the fridge itself.
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  Speaker 2: Wow. I yeah, if I you're you're fooling yourself every
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  Speaker 2: time when you put a carbonated or sparkling soda back
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  Speaker 2: in the fridge. Yeah, yeah, it will not be consumed,
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  Speaker 2: and when if you do force yourself to consume it,
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  Speaker 2: you're gonna be so unhappy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it just I guess I wish more things came
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  Speaker 3: more bite size, you know, because I don't really I'm
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  Speaker 3: very noncommittal with anything I eat or drink.
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  Speaker 2: Right well, they have a lot of those sodas now
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  Speaker 2: have the like half size, which.
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  Speaker 3: I hate, I know, so wasteful the packaging.
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  Speaker 2: The packaging is wasteful. I want the full thing. I
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  Speaker 2: need a full can.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe we should move in together. Interesting to finish my
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  Speaker 3: half drunk drink.
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  Speaker 2: We won't finish each other's sentences, we'll finish each other's drinks.
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  Speaker 2: What sort of spin drift did you have?
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  Speaker 3: It was a lime?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, not my favorite.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I find most are like, I'm on board
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  Speaker 3: with most of them. One or two I'm like absolutely no,
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  Speaker 3: thank you, And I think I have one or two faves,
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  Speaker 3: but then you drink them too much and you're like,
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  Speaker 3: oh now I'm over this. So I think lime is fine.
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  Speaker 3: But there's like a blood orange or something that I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: that's kind of beater.
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  Speaker 2: Don't like the blood or they don't. What is that
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  Speaker 2: on your absolutely not list?
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  Speaker 3: It's on my avoid me and my man. We go
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  Speaker 3: back and forth at the grocery shopping, so sometimes you
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  Speaker 3: might buy it you know, and then I'm like, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: well it's here, I'll drink it.
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  Speaker 2: But we've been talking a lot about spin drifts. We
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  Speaker 2: talked about this recently on the podcast, and I said
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  Speaker 2: that I love grapefruit.
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  Speaker 3: Oh see, I don't love grapefruit.
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  Speaker 2: I guess I just like an unpleasant beverage. Yeah, apparently
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  Speaker 2: that's all all consumed.
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  Speaker 3: I thought you were gonna say grape aid. Do you
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  Speaker 3: know they have that one?
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  Speaker 2: Nothing that sounds horrible.
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  Speaker 3: It's it's it's packing way more of a flavor, flavor
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  Speaker 3: punch than the rest.
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  Speaker 2: Of the I don't even understand what the aid is.
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  Speaker 3: It's like a made up flavor first.
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  Speaker 2: Like lemonade? Is it? So?
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  Speaker 3: Actually, maybe that's exactly what it's supposed to be, like
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  Speaker 3: they're just adding suffixes. But it tastes I feel like
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  Speaker 3: it tastes like Welches grape juice water, like bubbly.
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  Speaker 2: Or something that doesn't sound good to me. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Do you remember the welch is Grapefruit Girl or the
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  Speaker 2: Welch's grape juice Girl.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, she's like there's like a Dakota Fanning type like
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  Speaker 3: shortlonde hair.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, it may have been Dakota Fanning. Maybe that was.
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  Speaker 3: Think we would have known that trivia right, Well.
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  Speaker 2: She might be keeping that from the general public.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, you know who does that? A lot is people
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  Speaker 3: who were on road rules, you know, like THEO vaugh.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know he was on road rules.
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  Speaker 3: This actress Jamie Chung, who's extremely successful, and I was
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  Speaker 3: in like a Hulu show with her years ago, and
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  Speaker 3: I remember halfway through filming being like, weren't you on
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  Speaker 3: road rules? And she was like, I'm a good actress now,
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  Speaker 3: And she is. She's fantastic, but I think she tries
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  Speaker 3: to like.
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  Speaker 2: Well, then look at you on this kind of anti
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  Speaker 2: pr PR tour taking it out.
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  Speaker 3: No, I haven't seen her in yours and she's a
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  Speaker 3: lovely person, and.
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  Speaker 2: I want to look her up because I feel like,
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  Speaker 2: obviously we all know THEO Vaughn at this point. No
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  Speaker 2: one's a fan let's see or people.
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like he's a tough I don't I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know enough about him.
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  Speaker 2: I'm ready to start a war. Yeah, I feel like there's.
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  Speaker 3: Some there's a you know there. I have some concernatives
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  Speaker 3: in my family, and I also have like doofy straight
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  Speaker 3: dudes in my family, so I feel like I have
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  Speaker 3: greater patients. Oh but but I don't know, Like if
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  Speaker 3: you're gonna tell me like, oh, he is actually like
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  Speaker 3: a Nazi or whatever, I'd be like, Okay, no, I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 3: I didn't know. I'm not up on the facts about him,
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  Speaker 3: so he sucks or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, I will hear names enough that I just
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  Speaker 2: start to think, oh, that's a poisonous person and connected
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  Speaker 2: to other things, and I start putting the pieces together
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  Speaker 2: rather than looking into it. I just start taking all
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  Speaker 2: of my collection of assumptions and making one grand assumbly.
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  Speaker 3: I don't feel like I do that enough where I'll
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  Speaker 3: be like weeks into consuming someone's podcast and a friend
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  Speaker 3: is like that, you know that person's bad. I was like, what,
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  Speaker 3: But they're banter's fun.
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  Speaker 4: You know.
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  Speaker 3: I don't do my due diligence.
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  Speaker 2: There was a podcast that I was strongly recommended to me,
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  Speaker 2: and I was going on a trip, so I downloaded
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  Speaker 2: almost every episode. I got about four episodes in and thought,
• 8:02
  Speaker 2: oh no, what am I listening to and what does
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  Speaker 2: this mean for anyone who's listening to this, including the
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  Speaker 2: person who recommended it to me.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, wait, what was the pod?
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  Speaker 2: I'm not even going to say because I don't want
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  Speaker 2: to give it any more press. Okay, but yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: go through the same thing where you can kind of
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  Speaker 2: just be lulled into certain things.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, falling in love with the personality.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but this I felt like I had been scammed.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, you're gonna have to tell me off air.
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  Speaker 2: O I will. Then you might be like I love
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  Speaker 2: that podcast.
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  Speaker 3: I actually produced that podcast.
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  Speaker 2: I'm actually the host of that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's me. You're talking about me.
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  Speaker 2: What's been going on with you? Anything exciting?
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  Speaker 3: My brother just had a daughter, so I'm about and
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  Speaker 3: our family already had plans to get together this week.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm going to see like a four day old baby.
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  Speaker 3: Wow fresh, just gonna snort her fresh stem cells?
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  Speaker 2: Or is this your first niece?
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  Speaker 3: Niece? But I have three nephews.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so wow, it's really excited.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like it like has made me fully click
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  Speaker 3: into kooky and because I'm like, oh the things I
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  Speaker 3: want to tell this little nub about being a woman
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  Speaker 3: in this world, and like, uh.
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  Speaker 2: Are you a big when a baby comes? A big
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  Speaker 2: gift buyer for babies.
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  Speaker 3: No, I'm a bad like I mean, and how ironic
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  Speaker 3: to be on this podcast. My love language is not gifts,
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  Speaker 3: and my families was not gifts. We're very much like,
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  Speaker 3: Oh it's Christmas, venmo me fifty bucks so I can
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  Speaker 3: go buy this thing that I want, right, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 3: like I Also, I feel like for my own siblings,
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  Speaker 3: I like didn't get them wedding gifts. I'm like, oh, you,
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  Speaker 3: we love each other. I don't need to like get
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  Speaker 3: you a present because you know. Like, of course, so
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  Speaker 3: I'm bad, But I did say out loud two days
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  Speaker 3: ago I should get her a gift, but has has
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  Speaker 3: anything been done?
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  Speaker 2: Now? I'm kind of in the same with a baby, especially,
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, I feel like, if it's a family member,
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  Speaker 2: they have friends and other people who are probably getting
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  Speaker 2: the baby a bunch of things. And if it's especially
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  Speaker 2: if it's not your the first one. Yeah, it's a little.
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  Speaker 3: But I feel like I hear that you're supposed to
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  Speaker 3: get a gift for the mom.
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  Speaker 2: Oh that I have never even thought about that I'm
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  Speaker 2: deeply inconsiderate. No, I mean me too, But then again,
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  Speaker 2: what do you get the mom?
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  Speaker 3: I think, like, maybe big underwear or something, right, like
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  Speaker 3: massage stuff, you know, just something to acknowledge, like you've
• 10:19
  Speaker 3: been through a physical trauma.
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  Speaker 2: Right. I guess they have diapers, Yeah, things like.
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  Speaker 3: That with some diapers for mom.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no one ever thinks about the mom's diapers in
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  Speaker 2: these situations. The baby's drowning in diapers, and meanwhile, what's
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  Speaker 2: the mom doing.
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  Speaker 3: I'd like to think that the mom is putting the
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  Speaker 3: baby's diapers on and the dad's putting the mom's diapers on.
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  Speaker 5: Oh.
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  Speaker 2: Interesting.
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  Speaker 3: When I have kids to think, I love to think
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  Speaker 3: about that.
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  Speaker 2: Are is your family in LA or elsewhere?
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  Speaker 3: They're elsewhere? My parents I'm from Long Island. My parents
• 10:53
  Speaker 3: are trying to sell their house there, and my older
• 10:55
  Speaker 3: brother's in Virginia, and so my parents are going to
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  Speaker 3: move down there. And then I have two younger brothers
• 11:01
  Speaker 3: in San Francisco, so we're kind of all going up
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  Speaker 3: to San Francisco.
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  Speaker 2: Oh that sounds nice. Yeah, I feel like that's my
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  Speaker 2: number one option out of those three choices.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Like as far as vacations go, sure, travel, sure, sure, sure.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Do you spend much time out there?
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  Speaker 3: No, it's been a minute when the pandemic happened. I
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  Speaker 3: fled up there for like six weeks, so I sort
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  Speaker 3: of like felt like I lived there for a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: Got my car broken into, as happens out there, and
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  Speaker 3: I drove back from San Francisco to La with a
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  Speaker 3: trash bag on the window of my car because I
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  Speaker 3: like went to like an auto glass repair place and
• 11:43
  Speaker 3: they were like, we don't have whatever piece is in
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  Speaker 3: the door right that like so so they were like
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  Speaker 3: we can't. I think they took the chunks of glass
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  Speaker 3: out of the car, but then they were like, we
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  Speaker 3: can't put new glass in. So I did the janky
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  Speaker 3: thing of taping like a trash bag, you know. And
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  Speaker 3: this would have been like May twenty twenties.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's oddly COVID friendly.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that car, my car is air own illness inside.
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  Speaker 2: Did they steal anything?
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  Speaker 3: No, there wasn't even anything to me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah take something.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, I'm proud of myself for not having left
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  Speaker 3: any valuable, you know, because I would have. I'm not
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  Speaker 3: a careful gal. I should have been robbed many times
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  Speaker 3: by now, so good job met.
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  Speaker 2: Well that's an ambitious car robber. Then, I mean they
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  Speaker 2: just thought they were very optimistic. They don't see anything
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  Speaker 2: in there, and they.
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  Speaker 3: Just gets a real racket there. And I've heard this
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  Speaker 3: story that at this point I'm like, is this real?
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  Speaker 3: But there's a story that there was so many break
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  Speaker 3: ins in San Francisco that like cops were, you know,
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  Speaker 3: doing this big operation to find out who's behind all
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  Speaker 3: these carjackings and then apparent and they had like created it.
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  Speaker 3: They had like some spreadsheet on their computer being like
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  Speaker 3: these are all the cars they've been robbed and these
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  Speaker 3: are the suspects and blah blah blah. And then that
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  Speaker 3: person left their laptop in their car with all the
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  Speaker 3: like data got the car jackings, and then their car
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  Speaker 3: got broken into and the laptop of data. I'm sure
• 13:10
  Speaker 3: that's not fully true because it's like do they not
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  Speaker 3: have the cloud?
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  Speaker 2: Is that not like a Google docu?
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  Speaker 3: But it just felt like.
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  Speaker 2: Well, walk me through. I'm always curious about situations like
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  Speaker 2: this when like the person finds out their car has
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  Speaker 2: been broken into and like what led up to it?
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  Speaker 2: Because I just emotionally and your reaction to that sort
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  Speaker 2: of thing is I feel like it's such a weird thing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, let's see, I had been leaving my car
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  Speaker 3: in the garage under my brother's apartment building. There was
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  Speaker 3: parking for the residents, and I just parked my car
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  Speaker 3: in like a little not even a corner, just a
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  Speaker 3: part of the parking garage that didn't have a spot.
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  Speaker 3: But I was like parking in San Francisco is really
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  Speaker 3: expensive or like dangerous. So for like a couple of weeks, yeah,
• 14:04
  Speaker 3: it's all coming back to me. I just kind of
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  Speaker 3: hit it in the parking garage. And then eventually the
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  Speaker 3: car got towed because they were on to me. They
• 14:12
  Speaker 3: were like, this is not a residence license plate, right right,
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  Speaker 3: So then got towed, picked up a car, and then
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  Speaker 3: a couple. Then I had to start parking it on
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  Speaker 3: the street. And so then one night I go to
• 14:23
  Speaker 3: get it and the then window had been mashed in.
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  Speaker 2: And then when you found the car when the window
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  Speaker 2: had been bashing was it just like a yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know, I feel pretty lucky in life
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  Speaker 3: that like I generally am dealing with a combo of
• 14:40
  Speaker 3: good and bad, Like a bad thing happens, but a
• 14:41
  Speaker 3: good things around the corner. But there have been patches
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  Speaker 3: where you're just like bad, bad, bad, And it just
• 14:47
  Speaker 3: strikes at my sense of like just like, because I
• 14:50
  Speaker 3: think I go around being like things are mostly fair,
• 14:53
  Speaker 3: which is complete bullshit, but like has allowed me to
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  Speaker 3: like trot along being like But then sometimes I've really
• 15:00
  Speaker 3: smacked in the phase a couple of times, being like, there's.
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  Speaker 2: No justice, there's no reason your car. If your car
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  Speaker 2: is toad, nothing bad should have to happen to you
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  Speaker 2: for fifty years.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. Certainly nothing car related.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely not that is essentially going to prison as far
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  Speaker 2: as your car. That is so unfair to I've.
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  Speaker 3: Said my car toad twice, have you I've had.
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  Speaker 2: I was in college on a road trip to la
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  Speaker 2: Ish with some friends and our car got told but
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  Speaker 2: it wasn't mine, but it still was just such a
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  Speaker 2: deeply inconvenient, weird experience, so expensive. Yes, it's just I
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: think I've probably said this on this podcast before, but
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  Speaker 2: I think it is one of the worst things human
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  Speaker 2: beings can do to other human beings. Yeah, it's just
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  Speaker 2: so come on.
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  Speaker 3: The one other time it happened was at the Jack
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  Speaker 3: in the Box in Hollywood. Okay, I was like running
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: to do something else and I was like, I'll just
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  Speaker 3: part my car on the Jack in the Box and
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: I was gone for like fifteen minutes. When I came back,
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: it was gone. And then I walked into the Jack
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: in the Box and everyone turned around and was like
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: it was you because clearly, like the tow truck guy
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: was like, does anyone own a like two thousand and
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: three Nissan CenTra?
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: Fifteen minutes? That's ridiculous.
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: It was really fat.
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: I think minimum it should be eight hours exactly, Yes,
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: fifteen minutes.
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: That's let my car hang up for hours. Yeah, wh
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: should like the Jack in the Box was.
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: Full break, Come on, there should be a we should
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: give each other that grace of eight hours of letting
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: your car be wherever you want it to be.
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: That's the kind of society I want to be in.
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: Yes, but fifteen minutes that manager at Jack in the
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: Box is a psychopaths.
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: That's made me think of, like, Okay, if I got
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: to decide how society was, what would my top rules be.
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: I've always thought if I was ever to be president,
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: I'd sort of the only lat I would make is
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: like all menus need to have photos, you know, because
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: I'm just like that would help so much. But recently
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: I was talking to someone about if I were to
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: make up my own religion, it would be in that.
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: And I don't remember everything I said, but I definitely said,
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: we're you and holidays.
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: Okay, you new holidays.
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: No, we're keeping some of them, Christmas, Halloween in there, sure,
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: of course, you know, and maybe add some new ones.
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: I also is like, I do like weekly meetings. It's
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: not literally church, but like, let's get together, let's chat, right.
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: I can't remember what else I said, but you know,
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: I'm I'm obviously still forming the idea.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: So if you've got a good good bedrock, yeah, holidays, yeah, holidays,
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: the weekly check ins and uh.
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: Maybe you know it's really easy for it to go culty.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: But how about an excuse to dress up?
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: Oh, we love that.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: I feel like that's kind of church.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: Although I feel like I was talking to my boyfriend
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: about this recently. He's like, I think it's good that
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: you should have to dress up for church, but I
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: feel like everyone's kind of reluctantly dressing up for church.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: When I would go to church as a kid, nobody
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: really wanted to be dressed up. I think we need
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: to make it more of an affair. Yes, I really
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: go for it. A black tie thing. Yeah, you know,
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: everyone should look incredible.
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: Yes, I think so. Isn't that also that like when
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: commercial flights started as a thing, people would like dress
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: up for the flight. I think we just live in
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: a more cash time.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: Yes, you know, but I think church needs to class
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: it up.
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: Come on, Jesus or whoever or whoever, what kind of
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: church were did you? I like, Wow, that's a that's
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: not that's not a Unitarian. That is the real there's.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: A real uh central specific thing you do.
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, thrown down Catholic. I'm like, that's
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: no joke, but Mormon is really no joke.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Catholics you can kind of create your own at
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: this point.
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: See, there's a spectra. Yeah you know, my mom is
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: at one end of the spectrum hardcore okay, and then
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: there's you know, going to church on Easter and Christmas Catholic.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: Right as a kid, would you go to church weekly?
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: Yes?
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: And would you have to dress up?
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: Yes?
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: Okay?
• 18:52
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: My boyfriend said he would wear jeans, which I thought
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: that just doesn't really calculate in my head, like.
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what was the Mormon practice you have to dress up?
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: You would have to wear big long underwear.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: Full underwear nothing else, kind of dragging on the ground,
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: really baggy under Yeah, no, you would just have to
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: dress up, which like meant women in dresses and men
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: in slacks and ties and shirts or suits. But you know, I.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: Mean so sorry to think of all the stereotypes. What
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: are you from?
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: Utah? From Utah?
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: Okay?
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: So have you been watching the stereotypes? I love stereos.
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: Wait, I think I was because I was listening to
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: an episode on the way and did you you watch.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: The Secret Lives of normOn Wives? I finally got the
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: title down after watching. Well, I've now watched Well, I've
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: watched the entire series. I'm rewatching season one right now.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: Okay, I watched season one and I started season two
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: and I stopped not because I wasn't into it, but
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: now living with a man like the freedom to watch
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: what you want when you want to watch it. I'm
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: in a prison.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: I feel like I'm in a prison as well. I
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: should be able to watch whatever I want whenever I want. Yeah,
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: I shouldn't have to think about anyone else's favors exactly.
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: No, my boyfriend is actually quite like flexible and like
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: I'm putting on in just like that I'm putting on
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: girls and he tolerates it, whereas he wants to put
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: on anime and I'm like, must we but but you can't.
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: You can't. The wives go for it, would go for it.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: Did he ever try it?
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: It wasn't even that I was trying to make him
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: do it. I would just sit down, turn the TV
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: on and he'd be like, what's this and I'd be like,
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: you so not you not? This isn't for years?
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: Give him a chance. No, he It's one of the
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: dumbest shows ever created ever.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: But I really like that tailor girl. I can't tell
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: how much of it is just because like, I think
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: she's so gorgeous, but I actually think she has a
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: good heart.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: It's a big It's a big part of the show
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: in season two, especially because there is a one of
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: the other gals is named to me and she decides
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: she's a fan favorite. She's simply not which believe to me.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: There are two women that I'm like, you look the same,
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: but one I mean, no, they all, but they blur
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: so much.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: There's to me. She might be confused with jen Affleck
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: or Jesse has such a funny Jen Affleck lied about
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: being related to Ben Affleck.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: That's a lot.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: That's another thing that we go over the season. Holy,
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: that's a whole controversy. Okay, I mean I've been Unfortunately,
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: I'm now just recapping the episodes. I'm literally recording myself
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: talking about so I know everything about the show is.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: One of them owns like a hair studio.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: Now that's Jesse and she owned something called jay Z
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: Styles and Academy. And I've not to brag. Last time
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: I was in Utah, I made a visit. How was
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: it incredible experience? I walked in whoever the cashier or whatever.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: They have two sections. They have the retail where you
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: buy your extensions okay, an entire wall of hair at
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: then the salon. And I walked into the retail and
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: asked the cashier or whoever. She was just on her phone.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: I said, could you take my picture? He said, you're
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: the fourth person who been there to wait.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: Okay. So if that's not to me, is Demi the
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: younger one who has an old husband?
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: Yes? Okay, So that's another And my apology is still
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: a listener. If I'm so sorry, all I ever want
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: to talk.
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: Stop listening. Okay, Bridge and I are just hanging out.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: Demi is married to Brent Brett Is I believe forty
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: nine and thirty thirtyish. There's a and he met her
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: I believe when she was nine ew and I think
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: he was twenty six.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: He was actually forty nine at the time. He's kind
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: of stuck there.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: He and he is been in reality shows. He was
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: in The Bachelor whoa I think, and then the pandemic
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: threw his season off or something he was married to
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: do Watch Real Housewives of Solic City. I don't there's
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: one of the friends of on the show. I can't
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: remember her name. He was married to this woman. This
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: guy will do anything possible to get into.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: A reality I also think it's so funny that so
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: many of these women have been married and divorced and no,
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: no shade, Like life is hard. You know, you're making
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: a decision when you're young. But it's like, isn't that
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: a big thing in your religion that you.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: Do you stay married? Yeah? Yes, but it's also a
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: big thing to get married young for Mormons.
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: Right, and to like hold onto your virginity, like it's
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: a recipe for divorce. Right. It's like, if you don't
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: want people divorcing, you would get that. You know who
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: doesn't get divorced is actually gay men. They say, the
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: lowest divorce trade, the lowest divorce. Right. If you look
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: at straight couples, lesbians and gay men, gay men stay
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: together because, for one, they wait for like thirty years
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: to get married, right, they've been such a long yeah.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: And then also women often initiate divorce, and so if
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: you got two women, oh, it's like who's getting divorced first?
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: But gay men they're like are men in general like elsetay?
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: Wow?
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I mean be just gay men. Okay.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: The last thing Mormon, the Mormon ever will be is
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: a gay man, and unfortunately that would save their marriage situation.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: But yeah, everyone on Secret Lives, I think almost every
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: one of them has been divorced once. Not there are
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: a couple who haven't and probably should and probably will.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: Like Jen Affleck.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: Right, Jen Affleck is in her first marriage.
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: To Zach in her first of six.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna guess fourteen. He is bad, right, like the
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: bit I saw him the White Witch.
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: Yes, oh gosh, yes, he looks.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: Like something that would offer you Turkish.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: Delight, yes, but which looks good but is disgusting.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Can we talk about Turkish delight for just for a
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: few minutes? Couple times through elementary school, did you read
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: the Narnia books?
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: I think I read a couple.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: I and especially in elementary school, you don't really know
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: what even what it is. But Turkish delight is this
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: thing in the book that's like the ultimate temptation. Then
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: you find out later in life what it is and
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: you're like, that's disgusting. That's Grandma food.
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: It's like worse than Saltwater Way worse. It's so bad. Yeah,
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: And I think sometimes I get I forget, Like years
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: will go by and I'll be like, oh, like I
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: think I remember actually going to San Francisco. It's like
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: stopping in Monterey and there was like a place where
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: you get Turkish delight and it was confusing a bit
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: with like baklava.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: Oh that is a Turkish delight.
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: It's Turkish and it's good, yes, But Turkish delight, You're like,
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: this is like colorful dough that.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: You know, it's like slime. Yeah, it's like very soft gummy, right,
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: and no one likes a soft gummy, especially one that
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: almost feels like it's been left in the car and
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: the flavor is not powerful enough, the fruitiness isn't there.
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: But whatever flavor it is, it is bad. It's like
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: a week bad.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: If you're going to put delight in the name, you've
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: really got to, you know, find the perfect product. Yeah.
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: Like if it was just called like Nobbin's, you'd be like, Okay,
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: I forgive it. But to be like yummy food, you.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: Know, delicious, savory, Yeah, Turkish Delight was the ultimate disappointment
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: for me as far as food and candy go, because
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: I was like, this little boy is being essentially sent
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: to hell to for this treat.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: Remember much of.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: The plot, Yeah, I think the witch is like, come
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: have some Turkish Delights, okay, And he falls for it.
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: And then he goes and marries Jen Affleck.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: And then he marries Jefflick.
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: And gets mad at her for going to like a Vegas.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: Show, going to Chipendance.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: When she pays the bills.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: She absolutely pays the bills. He sucks, Yeah, he sucks.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: He's a bad egg, he kind of. And then he
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: promises he's going to medical school. That drops out of
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: That was the only reason to stay in the relationship.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: She was going to be married to a doctor and
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: now he's just kind of a loser. Yeah, the whole group.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: I feel bad for all of them. But again, you know,
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: you watch the show and you're like, oh, I feel
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: so terrible. Their lives are being ruined. And then I think, well,
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: but this is a decision they've made. Yeah, but what
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: a what a program?
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: Or maybe it's you know, it's got to get bad
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: for you to snap out of it. But if your
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: whole community is in that, I mean, what was it
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: for you to Yeah?
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, well or are.
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: You still fully in it?
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: I'm here to convert.
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I'm available to the religion. That religion in
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: certain ways.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: It has some good quality yeah, but a lot of
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: bad ones as well. I mean, being gay is a
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: tough one for a moremony. But I feel like that
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: also for me was a nice like uh, a cheat,
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: because it was like, well, I'm this thing that and
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: they tell me that it doesn't exist, it's not reality,
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: and I know it's reality. What else are they telling
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: me that's not true?
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's sort of like such a clear thing that
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: you're like, I can't stay. Whereas like, you know, if
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: you're a straight woman, you're like maybe I can believe
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: that this is what it's supposed to.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: Be, right, you know, and get my own reality show.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, so it's that was that was it for me.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: And I think most of the Secret Lives and Mormon
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: Wives Scouts are leaving as well, or they're it's like
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: they're like, we want to be part of it. Then
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: it's like, well, you don't do anything that has anything
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: to do with that. Religions.
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: I know they a lot of them like drained. Yeah
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: something is like I feel like, you know, it's a
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: rule of thumb that if like something is forbidden, then
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: people go hard the other way.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Uh huh. And yeah, that is a thing within Mormonism
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: is there's no like uh, once you leave it, there's
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: no real support system or way out. And so I
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: think a lot of people swing in a crazy direction.
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: Which I'm sure for people who are still in Mormonism
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: are like that person is drugs, that.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: Person is now on myth Yeah yeah, yeah, we were right.
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: Yep, not me. Wait did you ever do you watch
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: a couple therapy another? I just likedrown that so but
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: in one of the seasons, there was a couple that
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: had been More's.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: Right and can I just say extremely annoying people.
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: Oh they sucked the woman. She was very annoying. But
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: then I think she's gone on to live a crazy life,
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: which I'm sure, like if you're still in Mormonism, you're like, well,
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: if I leave, I'm going to become her.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: Right, here's the perfect example of how awful it can be. Yeah,
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: but then again, you got they got to be on
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: couple's therapy, the ultimate thing.
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: They're huge stars.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: They got to meet Orna. Yes, and if I would
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: do anything to meet Orna, I would love to.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: Except do we want to? Because what if she's a real.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: Person and we're just appointed, right, She's not what we
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: see on camera Orna reach out.
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: I mean I always want to know what like her
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: and esther Perel's like what are their relationships? Like?
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: Oh of course, like what is their real life situation?
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: And Orna has that the mentor what's her name?
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I can.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: They'll like cut to it and she'll be like this, she's.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: Like a cartoon cat, you know, she's Yeah.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: She's always like lounging on pieces of furniture, like she's
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: melted to them.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: If you were just like, what's kooky old New York therapist.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: It's her red glasses. She's so great, scarves, all that shit.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: They need more of that show. If there are plenty
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: of dysfunctional couples, I know.
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: And you know they're so classy about it. It's not
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: it's just such a slow Honestly, this last season I
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: was like, almost a little too slow of a burn.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: Oh interesting, did you see there was the guy. I
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: don't know if this is interesting in all three your viewers,
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: but I don't fucking care about you guys. Okay, but.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: Did you watch the last sees?
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: Of course, so the guy and the girl where the
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: guy was like a little bit oh, he kept being
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: like my trauma from college. I can't talk about it.
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: I can't talk And.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: What did I end up being? It was like so
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: it was.
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: And then she you come to find she had some
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: real trauma.
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: She's like, oh okay, And he's like his thing was
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: basic was like his college buddies.
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: Found some porn of his on hist computer that was
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: like had heavy people had like there was some queer
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: porn and he was like I was so.
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: Embarrassed, and you're like, dude, And now he's like forty
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: and he's like when I was twenty, my my fraternity
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: bros found that I had some porn of that wasn't
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: just like blonde tips, you know, like I.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: Think that was literally it. It was like, Okay, everyone
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: has different types of trauma. It's like that come on,
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: so basically, let's like yeah.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: Meanwhile, his wife was like, oh when I was twelve,
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: I was like.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: Brutalize, I watched my family be killed.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah yeah, And you're like, I think she gets
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: to be the one who's draw died.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: Did they end up ending the relationship?
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: No, I think they lasted. But that other couple with
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: the short haired blonde woman and Boris Boris, Oh, Boris.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: Boris. He was a tough one.
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: He sucked.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was not fun.
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: They were very weird. I feel like we can make
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: this interesting even for people haven't seen this. Basically, there's
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: this couple and the guy took up all the oxygen.
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: He would always be like, my love, we're talking about
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: me right now. We'll get to you. But me, we
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: live in a city that I don't feel his home,
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: and we've moved eighty times, but I need to feel it.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: And it's like and I can't write my book.
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, get over yourself. And then they stopped coming yes,
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: and she was like, yep, I think I lost them.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: And then they came back and you were like, has
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: the woman been brainwashed? Because she was like I had
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: asked him to leave many times and he said no.
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: And then I found out that he was planning a
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: little birthday party for me, and I was like, that's
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: so nice. And then we went out dancing and I
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: saw him dance and I remember, this is a little
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: prince boy, and you're like that your husbands boy. Yeah,
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: And then later they got divorced. And now I watch
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: her on TikTok.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: How she doing.
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: She's better now she's been free from him for three years.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: I wonder if that period when she kind of fell
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: for him, he got like a book deal and she
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: thought maybe I can make this work.
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: She had been married to someone else and left him
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: for this guy. And in the show Boris Goes when
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: Jessica came to me, she was extremely disoriented because what
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: you fucking like hit her over the head and like, like,
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: I was like that.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: I mean that actually probably is true. If she ended
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: up with him, you have to be disoriented to date Boris.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: He's such a loser, a little baby. He is a
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: little prince. We wish him nothing but badness. Well, look,
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: there's something else we need to talk about that might
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: be contentious that Orna could help with. I was really
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: excited to have you here today. I thought, Allison is
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: so wonderful, She's so lovely, she's so funny. How could
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: anything could possibly go wrong on the podcast? The podcast
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: is called I said no Gifts. So I was a
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: little thrown, a shaken, maybe upset when you kind of
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: stormed into the studio today holding what, from where I'm
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: sitting appears to be an absolute gift. It's wrapped in
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: red shiny paper with the silver bow. Is that a
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: gift for me?
• 33:47
  Speaker 7: It is a gift for you. It's a bad gift.
• 33:50
  Speaker 7: If that helps, well, I don't know if that helps
• 33:52
  Speaker 7: or hurts.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, you've obviously created an issue and made a mistake.
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: Well, I misread the email. I thought it was called
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: I said gifts.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: Oh you're a skimmer.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: I'm a big skimmer. I screw up a lot because
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: I'm deleting keywords. But yeah, I thought it was I
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: said gifts, which I was like, Wow, Ridger, that's an
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: awfully demanded reader.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: Who I'm that tacky?
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought you were, and I'm not sure you're not,
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: but I do acknowledge.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: I must say the last half hour of talking has
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: proved that I have pure I'm class, I'm very classic.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: Okay, fair, fair, fair, fair.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: Well it's here. You've made the mistake. There's egg all
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: over your face. Should I open it here? On the podcast?
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: You absolutely shit?
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: Okay, As I said, it's kind of like a book
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: size gift with red paper and one of these bows
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: that seems difficult to just stretch it.
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: Just stretch it on it. Yes, so you said it's
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: book sized. Cats out of the bag. It's two books.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: Two books. It's two books.
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: It's two books, and let me tell you they're bad books.
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: Because my thing is I have a habit.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: Of going, yes, the Gunman and his mother.
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: Yep, it's about Lee Harvey Oswald and his mom. And
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: then the other.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: One is unlocking your artistry.
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So my thing is I like to buy. I
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: get ambitious. If I walk into a place with books,
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: I'm like, I'll read, I read, let's read. I buy
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: a book and then I never open it. So these
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: were written from my bookcase fifty percent of my bookcase
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: I haven't read, and I was like, I gotta. My
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: boyfriend was like, there's a lot of lame books on
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: the you know, and I was like, this is honestly
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: a gift for him. Read a little culling, and I
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: think these two books exemplified the two shitty categories of
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: book that I buy.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: That I think I'm going to read what a spectrum.
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: One is self hell creativity, and the other is true.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: Crime, true crime, absolute violence.
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: There's a little flicker in me that goes, take back
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: the gunman in me because I want to read it.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, just looks like it was self published first
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: of all. Truly, it's like a large fond the and
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: his mother phone.
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's basically a staple together.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: Back it's Lee Harvey Oswald, Marguerite Oswald and the making
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: of an assassin of an assassin. So it seems like
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: it's gonna blame Marguerite.
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, moms are the cause of all.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: Problems, every single problem on earth. You know.
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: What I did read that sort of was a got
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: into some of those themes where there's this book called
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: Hidden Valley Road.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: Okay, oh wait, what is this incredible about? The family.
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: It's about a family with it's either ten or twelve kids.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: I think it's ten kids, and six of them end
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: up having schizophrenia. And this is like in the sixties
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: where you know, there was a school of thought. The
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: main school thought in medicine was like, schizophrenia comes from
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: a bad mom. So the poor mom was when it
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: actually like Jenes, you know, you either have like how
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: about maybe.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: There's a prem Maybe they're.
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: That was a very good book, and that I was
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: and I read that book, which the thing is, I
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: don't have a built in time in my life for reading.
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: I read that book on a vacation.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: Oh perfect, I'm a reader on a vacation.
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: But I only go on a vacation like maybe once
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: a year right right now. But yeah, then I buy
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: these books in my regular life and I never touch them.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: So like for example, for the gunman and his mother,
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah did you just did you were seeking out Ali
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: Harvey Oswald book or.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: Just saw this?
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: I just like fucked up real stuff.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: I'm like crime and a child, and you know, and
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: I like, I like nonfiction. I haven't been able to
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: read fictions and those like.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: Fiction can be I feel like nonfiction can is surprisingly
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: easy to read. Yes, I think as you get older
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: or something where it's just like you want to be reading,
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: but you also want to be like learning, because you
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: don't really have any other area of life where you're learning.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: It's like in school, you are learning constantly. So I
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: feel like fiction is easier than you want to get
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: away and.
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: Like fiction chapter to chapter ostensibly like build on each other.
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: Where it's like nonfiction, especially if it's like a lot
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: of the self help and psychology shit I read, it's like, yeah,
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: didn't really take in all of chapter two. You can
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: probably still reach aapter totally.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: You can just breeze through horror sections of those books.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: But okay, well, I feel bad taking this away from you.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: I know so little about Lee Harvey Oswald other than
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: is the big crime. I didn't know that Marguerite had
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: so much had everything to do with it.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: Well, maybe the book says she was totally normal, her
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: kid was a free.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: But then she bought him that gun for Christmas?
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: Did she? I don't even know that.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: That's my Oh okay, that could have been a Christmas
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: gift gone wrong. Yeah, how do we know?
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: We don't?
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: That's the ultimate conspiracy. Yes, yes, there was a Christmas
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: gift that could have been something else, a train set, Yeah, yeah,
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: and then we'd well, we wouldn't still have JFK.
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: But he wouldn't have gone the way he went.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: We would have and the curse probably would have ended.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: But because of this gift, Lee probably asked for something else. Yeah,
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: he probably wanted a truck m hm, or a new sweater.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: And Marguerite thought, no.
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: Gun, gun for my child.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: But that's really all. There must be documentaries about this.
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: I feel like, I'm sure, I'm sure.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: A million documentaries about the Manson family.
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: Yes, can I tell you? Actually, the book that I'm
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: reading right now is TV. And by that I mean
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: the last time I went to the bookstore, I'm like,
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: my book taste is so embarrassing. Went to the bookstore
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: and there is a book that is just Flea Bag.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: Okay, the scripts of Flea Bag.
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: It's called Flea Bag the scriptures, and it's just the
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: two seasons, and so I am reading TV. That is
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: the only I do actually love reading scripts of things
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: that I've already seen, because it's like just the movie
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: or TV shows replaying in my mind.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: You don't have to really imagine anything.
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: But how lame that. I'm like, the only book guy
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: can read right now is TV.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: But I bet those scripts in particular because of the
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: way that shows are very written.
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: Yes, and she's brilliant. So it's like I'm reading college
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: degree TV.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: Okay, how often do you read a full script at
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: a time? How does that? I do?
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: Because they go fast and so I'm on episode six.
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: That's lame, cancel me.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: Every show should do this, release the script, I know,
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: I know, Wow, really interesting. I guess most shows are
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: bad and that's why they don't do it.
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: But yeah, and I'm sure you know that was such
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: a hit that she's like, look, I'm gonna ring this for.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: All it's self contained. She really made a lot out
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: of those two seasons. Yeah, and now she's what writing
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: some movie?
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not sure. And you know, I'm thinking, like
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: I've also been revisiting a lot of Lena Dunnet, and
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: I'm like, you know what, when you put out a
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: great work, you have to go away for ten years
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: if you don't, or you can never do anything again, right,
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: you know, I.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: Think that's the way to go. Usually it's like, why
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: tarnish the thing. Yeah, if you got away with it
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: for eight seasons. Yeah, take the money and just read scripts,
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: do whatever you want. But yeah, like, I just saw
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: a new Manson documentary Okay, learned nothing, And I'm like,
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: what does that say about my consumption habits that I
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: just simply now know everything about the man?
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: You have consumed a lot about that? Yeah, Okay, that's
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: one that I think I've maybe seen a documentary, but
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: it's not one that i've but I am like a
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: rather basic bit who's watched like a ton of true crime, Right,
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to think of like a particular topic that
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: I'm like, I know a lot about that one. But
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: what does it for you? With Manson?
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: Well, for a while it was so eerie, you know,
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: I said, there were so many eerie elements of it
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: was so all the witchiness and all the mystery. But
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: then like, once you know enough about it, you this
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: final documentary for me was like, oh, these were just
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: idiots who were bored. Yeah, like that's all. There was
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: no real evil or anything. There were just morons who
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: had bad ideas and it was a wild time.
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, one of the true crime things I've
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: consumed a lot of is like the nexium stuff. Oh,
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: I've like watched two documentaries, listen to the podcast, you
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: know a lot of stuff. And I remember when I
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: was consuming that being like what is wrong with us? Women?
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: You know that it's like you, how often do you
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: see a cult that's like a lady at the top
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: and ninety men like here and there. There are some
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: cults around by women, but mostly it's an ugly dude
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: who plays volleyball and a hundred women selling their you know,
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: liquidating their iras, and it's just and stuff like that
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: where I'm like, ladies, we got because we are I
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: think women by nature, if something's not going right in
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: their life, they're going, I'm probably a piece of shit.
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: Something is wrong with me. I got to fix me.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: I bought my son a gun for Chris and that
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: he killed the presidat.
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and so I think that leaves you vulnerable to
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: this man is confidently saying something is wrong with me.
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: We are in agreement. Let me follow him and give
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: him lots of money and do group blowjobs. Have you
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: heard about this? No? Yeah? Apparently, when like the cops
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: were honing in on Keith R. Nieri, he fled to
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: Mexico where there was a whole other Nexium branch and
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: he had his like top slave ladies there with him,
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: and like as one final ceremonial act, he had them
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: all give him a blowjob.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: Like a like the spanking machine.
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: What's the spanking machine?
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: Like I remember what like at birthday parties or whatever
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: like or something. As kids, you would go through and
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: everyone would spank you.
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: Oh okay, maybe that's a Mormon thing because I've never experienced.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: I don't even want to google that spanking machine.
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: But just like so he was all just in a
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: row or you know, maybe there's some alternat they didn't
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: get into to the like choreography of it. And then
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: apparently the cops like bust in. The blowsup had been completed.
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: I don't you know, but the cops cold very nice,
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: but the cops bust in and a point, and one
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: of his top ladies later said that he just like
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: hid in the closet and that was the moment where
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: she knew this is not some like Jesus like person.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: He's small enough to fit in a closet or yeah,
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: the poor one, because if if a cult came a
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: knocking in my life, when I was nineteen, I would
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: be in prison for racketeering because I have that personality.
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: And you know, now I'm like, you know, worldly enough
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: to be like maybe no one has the answers, but
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: I I would have because I like to follow rules.
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: I think that something's wrong with me. All those things,
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: you know, to.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: Catch you at a low point, your lonely, you're like, well,
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: here's a group of friends who wants me to do.
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: There's things up plan of like yep, yeah, sound right.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: As far as I've gotten outside of religion is a
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: book club and I'm not even a good book club member,
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: y'h just bad at it.
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: Wait, so was there a point where, like, as a kid,
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: did you believe? And was there a day where you're like,
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: there's no God, Oh.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: I thought you were asking about the book club at first.
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: No, and I'm sorry, And you can also be like,
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: let's not talk about that. This is another podcast.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: Through childhood, there was like there were little I feel like,
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: there were little tent poles of like, Okay, that seems weird. Yeah,
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: that seems weird. Every week church is boring. So that's
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: one thing that's just adding up over time. And then
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: like it just kept adding up at then I went
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: on a Mormon mission, still not totally convinced of the thing.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: And then you know, I was like on a bike
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: eight hours a day in Malaysia, and it's like, what
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: am I doing?
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: Well?
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: Mormon mission two years?
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: You go for two years when you're nineteen.
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: Oh my God, to just like spread the word.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: To try to convert people. And I was in a
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: in Malaysia where it was illegal to do that, so
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: we like kind of had to be undercover, which the
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: whole thing was like, what's going on.
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: My boyfriend's half Malaysia.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: Oh I could have got him.
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: You could have go. Why didn't you?
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: Okay, I'll come over after the podcast.
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: Just believes in science and a little bit Buddhism, you.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: Know, but yeah, there I it led to a literal
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: nervous breakdown and then I was like four or five
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: months in it was like I'm going home. And then
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: it was like the beginning of like Okay, I'm gonna
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: slowly get out of this. And then but you know,
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: I left it, stop going, stop believing whatever. But it
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: was and then moved to La and then it was
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: years before I even came out because like all that
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: just keeps it a hold of you.
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry you went through that, but also makes you
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: so interesting. I'm a really deeply fascinating bread down you
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: went to Malaysia.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, somehow I ended up the most boring
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: personal life.
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: You're fascinating.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: But yeah, it just but there was never a I
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: think there was really never a time that I was
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: so in on it, you know. But I was singing
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: the other day, was like, it's weird that like at
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: some point I was thinking going around being like, oh,
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: I might not go to heaven, which is just like
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: that fact, the fact that that had a control over
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: my life is.
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: Really I was very like I was pretty devout as
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: a Catholic.
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: When when did it turn for you?
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: Let's see. You know, college I loosened up, okay, because
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: I had mostly gone to Catholic schools. I went to
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: catholicchool till like tenth grade, and then I went to
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: a public school. Then in college, I met like so
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: many different types of people that were cool. And then
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: also I then I remember a couple of years like
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: when my younger brothers were in college. I remember coming
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: home for the holidays one time and my younger brothers
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: being like we're atheists, and I was like, we are
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: really going into the bathroom being like is there? No,
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: like just being like is there? And yeah? And then
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: I also, like as a kid, was like I'm going
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: to save myself till mat And then you know, end
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: up being quite an old virgin, and a lot of
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: that having to do with just reckoning like do I
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: believe do I not? But then also once I was like, okay,
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: I'm not gonna hold onto this virginity. Then being a
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: little old and so you would meet a guy and
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: be like, let's do it, But then I was such
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: a I would tell them right. There was no like
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: let me just slip it in.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: I do that though, there's no real normal way to.
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: Have it, and so then it just made it take longer.
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: This was a nice little mess.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean I remember like being like, oh, I'll
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: save myself to marriage. Why is every other boy having
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: a hard time? But it's because I had no It
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: was so easy for me. I was like, this is
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: a briefing myself till dad. Yeah, I could do this
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: for the rest of my life. Baby, so simple. But yeah,
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: it leads to a kind of slow the developments you
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: have to make really quickly to catch up with everybody,
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: or yeah, it's an interesting cycle to go through.
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: But then in certain ways, I feel like my queer
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: friends who dealt with that, like I don't know, pre
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: twenty five or thirty, I'm like, you're such a stronger
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: person because you had to reckon with this giant thing
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: about I being told a certain thing. My experience is different.
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: I have to like claim and choose myself right, so
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: that whereas I think, I think it's kind of the
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: Mormonism where if you're like a straight white woman, you're like,
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: society is kind of I don't know, I haven't had directly,
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: so I feel like you end up in your thirties
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: or forties and you go now is when you go
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: this is bullshit, or like I want a divorce.
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: Or you know, like I don't. Yeah, but I feel
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: like that sort of person. It like like what I said,
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: I kind of had a cheat being gay, like an
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: adult who's had a fairly normal life within their religion
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: and then finally just puts it together. I'm like, that
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: seems re they difficult. Yeah, it seems like wow, you
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: like because you were really like saying I figured it
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: out on my own, there was no other I don't
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: know the difference hard.
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: I remember also ones asking a friend, my best friend
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: from college, like he was out in college and then
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: there was we were like at some reunion or something,
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: but we were talking about a person who was coming
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: out who was like forty okay, And I asked him.
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: I was like, when you're around someone who's going through
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: the coming out process but they're forty, how is is
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: that annoying for you? Because it's like, well I figured
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: this out. And my friend was like a little bit,
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: because this person has to go crazy for your life,
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: and I'm sort of like, been there, done that, right,
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: which I was like, that's funny.
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's uh yeah, I haven't really thought about
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: that because you're excited for the person to Also you're like, well.
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: You're about to be psycho psycho and.
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: May stay a psycho. Some people stay psycho back in
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: the closet. You go back and they're find a wife. Yeah,
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: come on bugging everybody.
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: With your self exploration.
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: Okay, Well we've talked a little bit about the gunman
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: and his mother, Then do we have anything to say
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: about did you look at the even more like a
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: fake book fully self published. Yeah, it's by Peso the poet.
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: It's so sad and I bought this this year. Oh
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: my god, what the fuck?
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: What is there's like a baby?
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: What kind of books do you read?
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: Like a key in its mouth? I'm all over the place.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: I didn't read this recently, but I was going to
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: recommend the library book. Have you read that? By Susan Orlean? So?
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: How you pronounce her name? The blood Orchid lady? I don't.
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: Such a good piece of nonfiction, unbelievably good.
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: What is it a memoir?
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: No, it's about a some fires that took place in
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: LA in the eighties or nineties, I think, And about
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: the person behind all of that.
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: Okay, it's really I mean that reminds me though of
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: Couple's Therapy this season with the throttle. Oh and how
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: the guy had been behind supposedly one of the like
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: a big.
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: Massive fire, which he downplays in the biggest way possible.
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah and yeah, if you just watched that and didn't
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: look into it, you'd be like this poor guy, he
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: got blamed for something that he didn't do. Then you
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: look into the actual news reports and you start seeing
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: a different picture about this guy. Yeah, and he's so annoying.
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: Yes, and it makes you think, like, I feel like
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: this is maybe a tide turning in the therapy world
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: where I you know, I'm not a trained therapist, but
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: I feel like, isn't it a thing that the therapist
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: is supposed to like assume the greatest good of the
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: like always gave the person the benefit of the doubt, right,
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: But so like if you're the therapist a bad guy
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: who's like accidentally lit two thousand houses on fire, and
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: you're like, oh, man, that must have been hard for you.
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: Is that actually the best response when prahaptice person needs
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: a dose of reality?
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there was behavior that led to that which is
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: now in the rest of his life. Yeah.
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: And there's this other there's this therapist, doctor Terry Reel
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: that I've got.
• 53:13
  Speaker 8: I love that.
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: Doesn't it sound like a comedy, like a sketch comedy. Yes,
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: And so he's a therapist who is like come up on.
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: He was like on the New York Times podcast and
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: I've been reading some of his stuff, but he talks
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: about he does like a couple of therapy stuff, but
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: he mostly focuses on like men's issues or whatever. And
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: he was like in my sessions, I tell them you're wrong,
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: good for him, and I'm like, that's clean.
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: You know, that's how I as a therapist.
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: But I wonder I think it's a flawed idea that
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: it's like, no, you gotta like be the person that
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: can be like your ideas are good.
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: I don't know, because a lot of ideas are bad
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: and a lot of personality traits are bad. Yes, you
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: come into my therapy office. I'm blaming you from the
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: moment you walk in. Yes, you have problem, and I
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: can see you're the cause of most stuff and now
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: you're creating even more problems for yourself. Let's get into it, yeah,
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: rather than be like yeah.
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: Because then yeah, don't you just like feed the beast
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: and let that guy in a throttle keep setting fires.
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: He's probably lighting one right now exactly. I feel like
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: you didn't learn anything that season, to be frank. Yeah,
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: he seemed bad at the beginning and bad at the end. Yeah,
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: And did the threatle stay together?
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: I don't think that For the most point, you don't
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: know if they stay together or not.
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: They just like yeah, I think it has to be
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: a pretty serious ending for them for you to know yes,
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: I hope that they all found their way. They didn't
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: seem like a great group of people. No, well, I
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: think we should play a game.
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: Let's do it.
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: We're gonna play a game called Gift or a Curse.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: But I need a number between one and ten from you. Okay, five, Okay,
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: I have to do some light calculating. So right now,
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: you have the microphone. You can promote, recommend, do whatever
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: you want. I'll be right back.
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: Oh my god. Yeah. I remember getting the email and
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: it said promote anything that you're up to it, And
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: you know what I had to in my mind, go, Alison,
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: you're incubating on stuff. Okay. This might not be a
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: year of putting shit out there that people can consume,
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: but it's a year of planting the seeds wherein three
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: years ago, this Alison rich Gal's popping off left and right. Okay,
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: So I hope that's good enough for you the public.
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: You know that's I'm really getting mad.
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: Okay, Well, they can find you online.
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: You can find me somewhere. Yeah, but get off my
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: fucking back is mostly what I have to say.
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: Great, do you have anything to recommentions? Do you have
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: any recommendations?
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: Oh?
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: Recommendations. Yee, I could have taken them more positive recommendations. Ummm, no,
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: there's nothing good out in this world. No, there's lots
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: of things. I did rewatch All of Girls and it's excellent's.
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: Re watched a little bit of it recently and it
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: does hold up.
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I know is a messy person, but she is
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: a writing an acting gene.
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: A well made show, very well made show. I saw
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: The Naked Gun wonderful time.
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: Because everyone's been saying good things, but you're like, oh,
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: is it just because like I think, like I know
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: the writers a little bit, like there are enough in
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: our This.
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: Is a serial problem, especially within like our comedy, where
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: everyone's like everything is the best thing they've ever seen, right,
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: and then you go and see and right, that's happened.
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: I think literally every time for me, this it's very
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: very funny. It's just fun to be in a movie
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: theater watching a movie where the only purpose of the
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: movie is to be funny. Yeah, nothing else. Yeah, wonderful
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: love that. Yeah, that's a recommendation. Great. Okay, this is
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: how we play gift or a Curse. I'm going to
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: name three things you're going to tell me if they're
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: a gift or a curse and why, and then I'll
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: tell you if you're right or wrong, Because there are
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: correct answers. You can win, you can lose, you can
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: fall in between. I love it. Be very careful, all right.
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: This first one is from our Mega list of listeners,
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: from a listener named Sarah. Gift or a curse TUTSI rolls.
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: I don't think this is the right answer, but it's
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: my answer. Gift why because I love the chew. I
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: love that it's a good and it's it's way better
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: than Turkish delight.
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: It's like an actual delightful flavor, and and it's it's
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: not gum where you're like, oh, good flavor for a minute,
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: but then this now piece of rubber remains and I
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: just have to commit to it. It like has a beginning,
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: middle end. It ends in your stomach, and it's not
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: so chewy like an intense caramel where you're like, ah, fuck,
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: this is made a mess of my mouth. Right, So
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: the more I say this, the more I go Gift
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: no matter what, even though I get the sense that
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: you're saying curse wrong.
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: It's a curse, absolutely a curse, of course, it's a
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: curse tutsi rolls. First of all, the tutsi role is
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: no no one's favorite candy. I'm to looking at the camera.
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: No one's favorite candy is the tutsi roll. I would
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: love to arguing that we don't need it anymore. It's
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: something from the past. No one knows what it is.
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: It's not It is not a carameu. It's not chocking.
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know what it is.
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: It's not gum, it's not is it a brown taffy,
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: it's not taffy. Taffy's softer. There's no reason for it
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: to continue to exist. There's a certain category of candies
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: totsi rolls, necko wafers.
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: I mean when necka wafers are flavorless and difficult on
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: the mouth.
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: Awful tasting. Yeah, well, tutsi rolls are terrible and awful
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: on the mouth. No one ever seeks out of tutsi
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: roll And also we've kind of developed a better version,
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: the fruity, the little fruit flavored tutsi rolls, which are better.
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: Oh, those are yeah, and I would only ever get
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: those at Easter.
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: There was interesting. It feels like an Easter candy.
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, those were. But wait, I'm thinking of the flavored tutsu.
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: Yes, but so that because it commits to a flavor. Yeah, lime, orange, banana,
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: little banana. But the flavors, as far as I recall,
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: I haven't had one of those in a long time,
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: are pretty accurate. And it's an older candy, so they were.
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: I feel like they were ahead of their time as
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: far as flavoring goes. But the tutsi roll no one
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: wants it.
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: I'll take them, but you're not.
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: You're not gonna go buy toutsi rolls.
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: I'll do that fucking today to spite you.
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: The only time totty rules have ever been purchased is
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: by bank managers or out of spite.
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: Okay, well I continue the tradition today.
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: Okay. One wrong? So far? Not a good look. Number two.
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: This is from a listener named Michelle. Gift you a
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: curse reposting birthday wishes to your Instagram story.
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: That is a curse. Why because that's going the fence
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: I have you know? And actually, gosh is it Chris
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: what's his name? He does a much better like riff
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: on this. You know, the guy with the long hair.
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: Oh, Chris Fleming. I love Chris Fleming.
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: Okay, I'm glad that you immediately knew what I was
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: talking about, because I was like, I don't know, you know,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: you describe someone, You're like, wait, are the descriptions like not?
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: I was gonna be like tall bird man. Now I've
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: done the damage anyway. But Chris Leving does a very
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: funny thing about how like if you see someone and
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: they've reposted all these that's a scary bitch that like
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: the friend group is intimidated by this person. That like,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: if they felt like they had to post you out
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: your birthday, it's because they were gonna bitch you out
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: if you weren't, like you forgot my birthday. And yet
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: I have on my own birthday reposted because I get
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: sensitive on my birthday. I'm not saying a more mature
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: me would not sure, but the me that I am
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: get sensitive. And I think I grow up in the
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: time of Facebook, where your birthday in Facebook times you
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: feel like the most popular girl in the world, because yeah,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: you're like, oh my god, that person that I like
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: shared a college door. You know, just like acquaintances are
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: wishing you happy birthday. Now no one's on Facebook. So
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: you wake up on your birthday and you're like, maybe
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: your mom has texted you, and you're like, God, like,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: is anyone out there? So that one friend, you know,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: maybe in Alana Johnston, you keep us on my red
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: day and then you repost that and then suddenly people
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: are either reposting you or they're at least texting you.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: They're going happy birthday, and you go, I madter.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: You're big acknowledged yep, but ultimately you say curse.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because it's like it feeds into this thing of
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: like needing attention to too far a degree.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: Right, correct, There's no way I could argue against this.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: I am on record. I feel like it is the
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: same as taking the birthday cards you've been given door
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: to door. It's yeah, so embarrassing, it's so demeaning to yourself.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: It's humiliating. It's no one likes looking at them. Yeah,
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: and we're all trapped in it, yes, because if you
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: don't reshare them, then the person think that did the
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: birthday wish thinks well, why did I do this? It
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: is the most toxic cycle on the internet.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: Now. See that's like I think the birthday har resharing
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: them is gross. But the friend who writes one. I
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: don't necessarily think that's gross because I'm.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: I think that's very nice, right, But I.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: Don't necessarily feel like if the person doesn't repost it,
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: I'm mad at them unless they've reposted everybody else's.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: Well see that's but they're going to repost at least
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: one of those.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: If they're me.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, everyone, everyone that's trapped in the worst
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: cycle possible. It has to end. I don't know how
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: we end it. Instagram just needs.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: To kill Zuckerberg.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: Well, that that would solve a lot of problems. Someone
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: give your son a gun for Christmas.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: Bring back the Harvey Hostweld.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: But it's what Instagram needs to do is implement a
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: birthday reminder. Yeah, which would become annoying as well. But
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: we've got to get back to that other toxic thing
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: of Facebook, of everyone reaching out to you, making you
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: feel like the most important boy or girl in the world.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: But it's a bad thing. Curse, absolute curse. All right,
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: you've gotten one right so far, You've got one left
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: to do. This is from a listener named Andy Gift
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: Or a curse. Sculpture of a person sitting on a
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: public bench.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: Wait is the sculpture including the bench, or the sculpture
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: is the person and it's been placed.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: On the bench. Now you should I wouldn't give you
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: any more information, but this is a little unclear. These
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: will basically be a bench and then there'll be like
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: a bronze statue of a person sitting on it that's
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: permanently part of the bench.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 6: Mm okay, I would say curse why because I have
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 6: a general aversion to like, like when I was a kid,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 6: we went on a vacation and we went to a
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 6: steakhouse and there were mannequins.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: Throughout that there was like a steakhouse. Yes there was
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: a man. There was a mailmankin in the girl's bathroom.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: They were just like what just like body figures about
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: And I know a sculpture's the same. It's more artistic,
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: but it's also taking up like valuable bench real estate,
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: right you know? But I guess I give it points
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: for like a little bit of whimsy and whatever city
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: I imagine this to be part of cour But I
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: need that butt room, is what I'm going to say.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: And wrong, Okay.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: These are a gift. This is what a nice thing
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: to keep you from looking like a loser. You sit
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: down on that bench and there's nothing else on a
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: friend who's this friendless loser? You sit down on it,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: and you're sitting next to uh Mark Twain. If somebody
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: just kind of looks, they'll be like, oh, that person's
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: sitting next to a friend.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: I see. But don't we want to live in a
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: world where we're secure enough to sit on a bench
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: by yourself?
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: Absolutely not?
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 3: And are these bench people always famous like Mark Twain?
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: I think they are because I feel like the one
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: I've seen is Mark Twain, and I feel like it's
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: in front of a Nordstrom wrack.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: But also, aren't you assuming like the person see observing
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 3: you on the bench is either not paying attention or
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: has bad vision that they go that's two people. Oh interesting, right,
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: like any But you're still a loser.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: You know interesting? Well, you're wrong, there's no there's no winning.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: You got one out of three. Now you are trying
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: to get another point.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: I'm sad.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: Oh god, okay. And now producer on Lisa is going
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: to do their gift or a curse. They're going to
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: present one thing and we both have to speak to it,
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: and they have their answer on a LEAs, what is
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: it today?
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: Gift or a curse? Flavored chapstick?
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: Do you want to go? Or should I?
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: God?
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: You go? Flavored chapstick? Flavored chapstick is a flavored chapsticks
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: a curse. I don't think anything that close to the
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: mouth should smell like food if it's not edible. The
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: cherry one is kind of the classic, and it isn't cherry,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: it's more medicinal. It's horrible. And then the ones that
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: are like doctor Pepper or Apple or whatever. I don't
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: like that sort of thing. It's a tease and it's
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: ultimately worthless. They should just be wax. See.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: I feel I knew you would not like this. I
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 3: feel like I'm learning you and you're a hater and
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 3: atleast I don't know you well enough. But I feel
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: the answer is supposed to be cursed. But I'm gonna
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: go gift. I think, for one, I have bad taste,
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 3: so like I know that my feelings, but I know
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: my feelings are wrong, right and so but for flavor chopstick,
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: I'm thinking more coconuts, vanillas, you know, not so much fruity,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: and it's a nice little added kick.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 7: Okay, I'll take it.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 5: It's a gift and all wrong opposite reason that you said, Bridger,
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 5: because I don't think anything should be flavorless that close
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 5: to the mouth. I think that's unnatural. Oh interesting, there
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 5: should always be a flavor on your life.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 3: Are you an eater of toothpaste? Like, let's you know that? Well,
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 3: you know I don't.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, am I gonna actually say I don't
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 5: swallow on a podcast.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 8: But in all honesty, I truly believe it is such
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 8: a gift because it's also like if you ever have
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 8: like a lipsmacker on as an adult, it like takes
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 8: you back to a happier time and place.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: Well, you need to fix your present, this nostalgia cycle
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: you're trapped in. Wrong on a. Lisha's wrong, You're wrong,
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: everybody's I'm right. I'm gonna flip good luck. I think
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: it's cemented into the ground.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: I feel like we started this podcast as warm acquaintances.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: Now we're leaving us cold strangers.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: Well, we have one final thing to do. We have
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: to answer a listener question. Okay, well, hopefully we can
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: come together for these poor souls. This is I said
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: no emails people right into I said no gifts at
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: gmail dot com, or they send a voice note sixty
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: seconds long in a quiet room. We help me answer
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: listener question. Absolutely, okay, this is hello, bridget and honored guests. Okay,
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: so yes, that's uh starting a mistake. I hope that
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: was a mistake or someone's already attacking me. I will
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: be visiting a friend from college who moved to Hawaii
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: a few years ago, and would like to bring her
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: a gift since she is hosting me. She is a
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: New Yorker, and I think it would be nice to
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: bring her something that reminds her of home. But I
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: live in Boston, so I don't know what I could
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: bring that would be of New York City quality slash
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: expectations that I could find in Boston. Do either of
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: you have any thoughts? Thanks for your help, best wishes,
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: And that's from Katie.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: This is gonna sound cliche, but bring her a rat.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 7: Bring her a rat, take a live animal onto a plane,
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 7: a subway rat or check it, yep, check it, check lug.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: There we go.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: Do they have rats in Boston? Boston?
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: I feel like rats are like you know, the cockroaches
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 3: of rodents, like they can arrived.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: Almost anywhere does Hawaii have rats?
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 3: We could get that started. We could get we can
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: kind of ruin.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: It's kind of like what it's kind of how rats
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: initially got around, right. They would a board the ships.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 3: As gifts, people them as gifts.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: It was it was like, you know, cinnamon or all
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: these things.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: Hey, America, how about some rats?
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: This exotic rats? Yes, I think a rat is an
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: interesting thing that could spread disease and lice and remind
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: this person of why they shouldn't church New York City.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 3: I'm assuming New York City because nothing else matters.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: Why Katie's problem here is she's not a good enough friend.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: Boston is not that far from New York. Now, book
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: the flight out of New York. Uh huh drive down
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: to New York or take the train, take the bus.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: What's the bus that goes on fun bus?
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 3: That was like fifteen bucks? And yeah, it's gorgeous and wonderful.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: I can't remember if this was me or my brother.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: You know, a story gets told enough that you're like,
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: was that my memory or someone else's? But happened to
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: someone in my bloodline? Where they were on the bus
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: and then the person next to them like barfed into
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: a plastic bag at the beginning of the ride, and
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: so they just like sat next to for four hours.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: And then there's that famous story of the person being
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: decapitated on a bus that wasn't that buss. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: that was a tough one to hear. But all that said,
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: get on the bus, head to New York. Get into
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: the airport. They've got a gift shop, the Hudson News,
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: and you'll find all sorts of quality New York items.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: Their bag of M and M's.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 3: Classical T shirt that says I love and why.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: I love n why uh you know?
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 3: A magazine foam finger statue of Liberty. What is it like?
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: Headband all the.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: Foamah, yeah, yeah, of course Lady Liberty's headband. Yeah, she
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: wearing a crown. What does she got on there?
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 3: A cute visual memory. I don't know what she looks like.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: Cute gal with a cute head band. Katie book the
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: bus ride book, the Flight out of New York. Don't
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: write back in thank you. We answered the question perfectly, Hawaii,
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: thank you, thank us for the new rat the rat epidemic.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 3: Do you feel closer to me your father away?
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: I feel so close to you, right now okay, I
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: feel like we've healed and I feel like nothing can
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: stop us.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 3: Now let's take the city by storm.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: Let's take the city by storm. I've had such a
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: wonderful time with you, a delightful time, and I've got
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: two books that will now crowd my bookshelf.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 3: I'm so happy, and I hope it drives your partner crazy.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: It probably will. I'm gathering, you know, I mean the
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: amount of items I've got.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's wait, can you like, has there been
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: a best and worst gift and or most expensive where
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 3: you're like, whoa this person? And it's inappropriate?
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: Let's see, that's a great question. The two best gifts
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: I've gotten are probably a car garbage can from John
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: Milstein and this beautiful waffle maker from Cola Scola that's
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: like a stand up shit. It was one of these
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: things that was like, oh, that's just a nice item.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I just it's like, did you get married?
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: I was getting married.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: I think those are two. I feel like somebody else
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: has really gone out of their way to buy me
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: a big thing, and I can't remember I carry I'll
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: give you a bottle of dom Oh that's right.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because you got some fancy people on this. If
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 3: they don't bring a good gift.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: That I'll say. Some of them, I'm like, I know,
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: I know you're.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: You got the budget, you have gotten bigger see a
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: car garbage That tells me a lot about you. That
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 3: just because I would appreciate that, but I wouldn't be like,
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 3: best gift is that is it? Are you a messy
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 3: car guy? Are you a very clean car guy?
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: I'm a very clean I'm now a very clean car guy.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: I always in my car was never like disgusting, but
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: they were always just receipts gathering. There are things that
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: you're just like they just are gathering. Yeah, exactly, not
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: anymore but essentially spotless. Yes, and then I've got a
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: waffle maker. Did you say worst?
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: I probably shouldn't say. Oh. The one I can say
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: is Jamie Lee gave me a chewed up dog toy. Okay,
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: And that's the one thing that I can't remember. She
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: had a story about it, but that was the one
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: item that I immediately threw away after the podcast, and her
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: assistant told me that they wanted it back. But then
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: I got in touch with Jamie. She's like, no of
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: course I don't. Oh my gosh, but those are I
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: think those are the kind of spot I got. You know,
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: Paul Rubins was on the podcast and the things he
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: gave me that's like cactus candy, Oh my god, things
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: like that that I feel very fortunate, Jack so cool.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 3: I just watched the Paul. It was incredible. He was
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: like I was a little too young to appreciate the
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 3: Peeney stuff, but it was like, Wow, what a damn genius.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: Absolute genius. And Peev's Big Adventure one of the all
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: time great movies.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 3: I have to him and I haven't seen it.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: You haven't seen it? Oh my god, right now I
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: know it holds up perfect.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 3: Okay, good.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: It is such a fun, delightful movie.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 3: How about his second movie with the Big One Kiss?
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: Wait, what's that? The Big Phoebe's Big Top? Oh well
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: I never saw it?
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 3: Well did you watch that?
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Because I forgot about that week.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 3: The documentary they talk about how you like is like,
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 3: let me hold like the longest kiss, and you're like,
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 3: he really did it. I think it's very funny.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: I think that one is kind of universally thought as
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: thought of as well. Just don't watch it.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that great.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but big adventure, perfect movie. Yes, well, now we've
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: gotten into another thing because we healed and and we
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: can continue to have conversation. It's just flowing. It's flowing.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: There's so much to talk about all the time. But
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: I'll let you go.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 3: Please unchain me.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: Thank you for being.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 3: Here, thank you for having me. Let a treat.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: The podcast is obviously over. There's been you know, a
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: little bit of a hint that was going to end,
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: and hopefully you started turning the wheels in your mind
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: as to what you'll do with the rest of your day.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 3: I get the sense that you're sitting in your car
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 3: avoiding going inside your own home.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: Oh the dread. It's just been mounting to.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 3: Address what's inside.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: It's just been idling, just filling the world with pollution.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: But yeah, you've got to go and tell your partner
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: it's over. Yeah, it's time to end things. Well, I
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: guess that's the end of the show. I love you, goodbye,
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: I said no Gifts is an exactly right production. Our
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: senior producer is on Alisa Nelson, and our episodes are
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: beautifully mixed by Ben Holliday. The theme song is by
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: Miracle Worker Amy Mann, and we couldn't do it without
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: our booker, Patrick Cottner. You must follow the show on Instagram.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: At I said no gifts, that's where you're going to
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: see pictures of all these wonderful gifts I'm getting. And
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: don't you want to see the gifts?
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 3: Livy?
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: Did you hear thun a man myself perfectly clear when
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: you're I guess Tom, you gotta come to me empty and.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 3: Said, no guests.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: Your presence is persons enough. I already had too much stuff,
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: So how do
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 3: You dare to surbey me?