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Foodie Friday + A.I.'s Deepest Mind · The Bill Handel Show

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  Speaker 1: You're listening to KFI AM 640, the Bill Handel Show
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  Speaker 3: Food. Glorious food.
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  Speaker 4: Do you know how to cook or do you just
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  Speaker 4: know how to put trash in the oven and then
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  Speaker 4: put it on a plate? It's Foodie Friday with Neil
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  Speaker 4: Saavedra on the Bill Handel Show.
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  Speaker 5: KFI AM 640.
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  Speaker 2: Bill Handel here.
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  Speaker 5: On a Friday morning, October 23rd, a week from Tuesday,
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  Speaker 5: is the election, the midterms. Boy, are we going to
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  Speaker 5: be watching that, or certainly I am, because when you hear, oh,
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  Speaker 5: the Where America is going, this is critical. We hear
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  Speaker 5: that every single cycle, every single election cycle.
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  Speaker 2: This one, yeah, pretty close. Pretty close.
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  Speaker 5: And by the way, next Tuesday is the election in Israel.
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  Speaker 5: That has a lot to do with what's going on
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  Speaker 5: in the Mideast itself there, too. So a lot going
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  Speaker 5: on in the next couple of weeks. Voter guide, my
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  Speaker 5: voter guide, starts on Monday. I'm going to start dealing
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  Speaker 5: with the props. Okay, it's time for Foodie Friday with.
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  Speaker 2: Neil and moi.
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  Speaker 5: Neil heard tomorrow from 2 to 5 o'clock with the
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  Speaker 5: Fork Report. I am heard 8 to 11 o'clock in
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  Speaker 5: the morning. And then Rich DeMuro between the two of
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  Speaker 5: us from 11 to 2. So yesterday I was, my
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  Speaker 5: dear friend and partner Saville called me. And he wanted
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  Speaker 5: to start talking. I said, Saville, I really can't talk
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  Speaker 5: right now. I'm in therapy. And he said, it's pretty loud.
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  Speaker 5: You know, I hear a lot of background.
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  Speaker 2: I go, yeah, I'm at.
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  Speaker 5: Costco because that's where I now do my therapy. I
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  Speaker 5: used to go to a psychologist, but, you know, the
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  Speaker 5: same amount of money I can spend at Costco. And
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  Speaker 5: at least I spend an hour and have a good time.
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  Speaker 2: So we have a Costco story, unusually enough.
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  Speaker 3: I always put a little something in here for you.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, this week, two Costcos. I did the run yesterday,
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  Speaker 5: and on Monday, I did a Costco run.
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  Speaker 3: What's your average time spent in a Costco? Sometimes very little.
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  Speaker 5: Sometimes I go in, for example, on Tuesday, I generally
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  Speaker 5: have lox and bagels in the morning.
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  Speaker 2: I have a bagel with smoked salmon.
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  Speaker 5: I get my smoked salmon from Costco because it's far
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  Speaker 5: less expensive than any place else.
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  Speaker 2: I went in and just got the smoked salmon.
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  Speaker 3: That's it. Yeah, because there's only two of you and
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  Speaker 3: your wife doesn't eat.
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  Speaker 2: That's right. But I eat plenty.
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  Speaker 5: I more than make up for it. Now, yesterday I
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  Speaker 5: went in because she needed some medication. So I went
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  Speaker 5: and got some medication for her because our Costco, we
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  Speaker 5: use a Costco pharmacy. And I had my, I took
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  Speaker 5: my little cart, big cart, and then just started rummaging around.
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  Speaker 5: $ 220 later, I walk out the door and that was
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  Speaker 5: about an hour. Right in line with what you pay
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  Speaker 5: a psychologist. About the same, except I got $ 220 worth
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  Speaker 5: of stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Does the pharmaceuticals come in five-gallon vats as well?
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  Speaker 2: They don't, actually.
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  Speaker 3: They don't.
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  Speaker 2: That would be great.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I'll tell you how great Costco Pharmacy is. I had
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  Speaker 5: a stye in my eye, which I talked about during
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  Speaker 5: the week, and I had to go get medicine. So
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  Speaker 5: I ended up going to Hoag, their urgent care. And
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  Speaker 5: I saw a PA, a physician's assistant, a nurse practitioner.
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  Speaker 5: And she said, OK, I'm going to give you this
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  Speaker 5: medication to put in your eyeballs. And so she calls
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  Speaker 5: it in. And I get a call from the Costco
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  Speaker 5: pharmacy saying, are you aware that this is $ 275 for
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  Speaker 5: a small tube?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, boy.
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  Speaker 5: And I went, yeah, thank you much. I called the
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  Speaker 5: physician's assistant. I called her and I said, $ 271. She goes, okay,
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  Speaker 5: let me give you another one that will probably do
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  Speaker 5: just as well. And it's $ 11. I like Costco pharmacy.
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  Speaker 5: Why didn't they just start with that one then? Why
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  Speaker 5: didn't they just start with, oh, because they originally use
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  Speaker 5: the retromycin and I'm allergic to that. So they gave
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  Speaker 5: me this other one, which turned out to be the
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  Speaker 5: next best. And that was $ 271. And they gave me
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  Speaker 5: the next one, which is basically 95% as good.
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  Speaker 3: The next one was a $ 3 bullet.
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  Speaker 2: That's true.
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  Speaker 3: And they say, well, we can finish this off. Well,
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  Speaker 3: next time you go there. There's a new Costco Sunday
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  Speaker 3: that is here. You want to talk about that, Neil? Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it's for the fall. And it's, you know, who doesn't
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  Speaker 3: like apple pie? And when it comes to apple pie,
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  Speaker 3: I love it a la mode. A little scoop of
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  Speaker 3: vanilla ice cream, right? Well, they're combining all of those things.
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  Speaker 3: Costco has introduced its seasonal apple pie sundae. This is
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  Speaker 3: in its food court. So if you're going for pizza
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  Speaker 3: and I really enjoy their pizza and their hot dogs,
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  Speaker 3: of course, are great. Now you have this apple pie
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  Speaker 3: sundae that you can get as well. So it's basically,
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  Speaker 3: you know, your your sundae ice cream topped with pie crust,
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  Speaker 3: apple pie filling. And that, you know, ooey gooey, yummy
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  Speaker 3: filling sits on the bottom of the cup beneath the
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  Speaker 3: vanilla soft serve ice cream and some on top. And
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  Speaker 3: it comes right when they brought back one of their
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  Speaker 3: favorite food favorites recently as well. And these Sundays, these
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  Speaker 3: desserts are becoming kind of a huge thing at both
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  Speaker 3: Sam's Club and And they're kind of competing on the
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  Speaker 3: unique flavors and the things they're doing.
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  Speaker 2: Now, this is in the food court, right? Is that
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  Speaker 2: what you're talking about?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, it's in the food court and it's $ 2. 99 before tax.
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  Speaker 3: Price can vary per location, but you check out your
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  Speaker 3: local store. you know, Costco and you can get this Sunday.
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  Speaker 3: I love apple pie a la mode. So I'm looking
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  Speaker 3: forward to it.
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  Speaker 5: How about, you know, Costco hot dogs, of course, a
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  Speaker 5: buck 50 for a hot dog and a drink, which
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  Speaker 5: has not changed since the day Costco opened. What do
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  Speaker 5: you do with people that love hot dogs a la mode?
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  Speaker 5: Do they combine those two, a hot dog with a
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  Speaker 5: scoop of vanilla ice cream on it?
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  Speaker 3: I will tell you something. One of my weird food
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  Speaker 3: things is a McDonald's baked apple pie with ketchup.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that's not weird, is it?
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  Speaker 3: But it's tasty. Amy K. That sounds so disgusting.
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  Speaker 2: Doesn't it sound disgusting? Okay, then try it.
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  Speaker 3: I will. I will next time I have an apple pie.
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  Speaker 5: My ex's dad, my father-in-law, who has since passed away,
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  Speaker 5: and I think this is the reason why, we would
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  Speaker 5: order chicken soup, matzo ball soup at a deli, which
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  Speaker 5: is heaven.
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  Speaker 2: And he would load it up with ketchup.
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  Speaker 3: Really?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, people would just vomit. That's an interesting one. No,
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  Speaker 2: it's not interesting. It is disgusting.
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  Speaker 3: Making it tomato soup. Matzo ball tomato soup. Why not?
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  Speaker 5: Plenty, because matzo ball and chicken soup, that's what you
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  Speaker 5: have to have.
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  Speaker 3: What do you dip your chicken nuggets in? Ketchup?
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  Speaker 5: Uh, no, I don't, I'm not a big fan of ketchup, but, uh,
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  Speaker 5: you know, I guess people do dip their chicken nuggets in, uh,
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  Speaker 5: but it's not masa balls. It's not, you know, it's
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  Speaker 5: not like masa balls. Big masa balls in the deli
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  Speaker 5: masa balls are great. They're the size of a, uh, grapefruit.
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  Speaker 5: My mother used to make matzo balls, little small matzo balls,
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  Speaker 5: the size of small meatballs.
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  Speaker 3: Well, that's what she was used to seeing.
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  Speaker 5: Those could be used as shot in cannons that they
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  Speaker 5: are like depleted.
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  Speaker 2: Uranium that they make ammunition out of. So dense, you
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  Speaker 2: couldn't believe it.
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  Speaker 3: Matzo ball soup.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, they were harder than hardballs. Okay, we're going to
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  Speaker 5: come back. We've got more mashed potatoes.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yes. I hate mashed potatoes. Thanksgiving's coming.
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  Speaker 3: You can see in the food, all the food news
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  Speaker 3: is starting to turn towards Thanksgiving.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so let's do that.
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  Speaker 5: We'll talk about the deals that are already out there
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  Speaker 5: for Thanksgiving. We'll do that with Neil and me and you.
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  Speaker 4: You're listening to Bill Handel On Demand from KFI AM640.
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  Speaker 2: A lot going on today.
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  Speaker 5: A week from Tuesday, of course, our election, the midterms
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  Speaker 5: on Tuesday coming up, the election in Israel. Is Benjamin Netanyahu,
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  Speaker 5: is he going to remain as prime minister? And boy,
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  Speaker 5: that affects everything going on in the Middle East. Mammoth
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  Speaker 5: Mountains picked up a ton of snow. And it's scheduled
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  Speaker 5: to open November 13th. So that's good news. The rest
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  Speaker 5: of the weather, not so good news, especially around the country. Okay,
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  Speaker 5: back we go. We finish Foodie Friday with Neil. Neil
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  Speaker 5: tomorrow from 2 to 5 o'clock on The Fork Report.
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  Speaker 2: Neil, now that... well, Thanksgiving is on its way.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, we've gone past Halloween already, uh, and we're
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  Speaker 5: about to blow past Thanksgiving right into by next week,
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  Speaker 5: it'll be Christmas. Uh, there's no question about it. And, uh,
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  Speaker 5: by the end of that week, uh, it'll be Valentine's day. So, uh,
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  Speaker 5: Thanksgiving is basically here. It seems that it's every year
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  Speaker 5: it gets sooner and sooner, but it doesn't, it's always
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  Speaker 5: about the same time way too early.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: There, especially now that people are, um, Counting their money
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  Speaker 3: and looking around, there are deals popping up. Amy and
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  Speaker 3: I were just texting back and forth about Porto's. There's
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  Speaker 3: also one at Sam's Club. Now, imagine this. You're breaking
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  Speaker 3: it down, the entire Thanksgiving meal per person. And if
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  Speaker 3: you're the one hosting... Ten dollars per person is a
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  Speaker 3: killer price. And Sam's Club just unveiled its biggest Thanksgiving
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  Speaker 3: meal deal yet. And ten dollars is the price point
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  Speaker 3: that they are hitting. So membership to their warehouse and
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  Speaker 3: all of that would be a great deal. opportunity for
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  Speaker 3: you to get this ready serve they've got charcuterie boards
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  Speaker 3: um they have of course the turkey all of these
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  Speaker 3: meals you can break them down and get everything that
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  Speaker 3: you need um serve a bunch of people. And and
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  Speaker 3: I think this year people are going to be looking at.
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  Speaker 3: maybe cutting corners and not cooking everything at home and
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  Speaker 3: taking advantage of some of these deals.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, we're going to be talking about Thanksgiving fair coming up.
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  Speaker 5: But I've always thought that Thanksgiving in many ways is–
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  Speaker 5: You know, it's not a great holiday in terms of
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  Speaker 5: the food. Family's getting together if you like your family,
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  Speaker 5: which I don't.
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  Speaker 3: I love Thanksgiving food.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, but hang on a minute. Hang on a minute.
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  Speaker 5: The reason— number one, I find Thanksgiving food fairly bland. That's—I've
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  Speaker 5: always thought that. But the amount of time that it takes.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, you know, you're cooking for days in order
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  Speaker 5: to do a proper Thanksgiving. I mean, you know, the
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  Speaker 5: turkey takes you a full day to cook or half
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  Speaker 5: a day, and then you have to brine it or
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  Speaker 5: do whatever.
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  Speaker 2: And then— It's all... Everybody sits down to eat and
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  Speaker 2: they're done in half an hour.
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  Speaker 5: And you go.
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  Speaker 2: Come on. I just put in 45 hours worth of work.
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  Speaker 5: And to your point, these ready-made meals that you just
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  Speaker 5: pop in the oven are, and they're just as good
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  Speaker 5: as anything you can do at home are fantastic. And
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  Speaker 5: they're great options.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't think you can do it at home
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  Speaker 2: for that price. Can you? Well, here's what.
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  Speaker 3: They end up doing. You've got professionals that are able
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  Speaker 3: to balance the needs. That's the hardest thing. Like I'm
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  Speaker 3: really big on it. I'd rather have too much food
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  Speaker 3: than not enough. So it's hard to eye. And I
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  Speaker 3: have charts that caterers have given me as to how
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  Speaker 3: to guesstimate based on the amount of protein and treats
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  Speaker 3: and all those things. But these folks have done it,
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  Speaker 3: you know, in this case, Sam's Club, have done it
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  Speaker 3: over and over and over. They know how to parse
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  Speaker 3: out that pie to serve 11 to 14 people. They
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  Speaker 3: parse out knowing the poundage rate. and separating the weight
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  Speaker 3: of the bones from the turkey to know how much
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  Speaker 3: you're going to get and those types of things. And
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  Speaker 3: that can be incredibly helpful for lack of waste. And
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  Speaker 3: you can also gauge it based on wanting leftovers because
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  Speaker 3: to me, nothing better than leftover turkey, a little white meat,
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  Speaker 3: a little dark meat, maybe a little ham and mayo
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  Speaker 3: on a Hawaiian roll sandwich after Thanksgiving. So they're able
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  Speaker 3: to do those types of things. And Like you said,
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  Speaker 3: because they're buying in bulk, because they have those relationships,
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  Speaker 3: they're going to get a great price on it that
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  Speaker 3: you wouldn't get on your own.
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  Speaker 5: The one thing that I did once or twice is
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  Speaker 5: got one of these turkeys from the supermarket, pre-cooked, just
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  Speaker 5: heat them up. My favorite one is at Gelson's, which
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  Speaker 5: is $ 140 per turkey that feeds 12 people.
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  Speaker 2: And that is, those are a little bit pricey.
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  Speaker 5: And we're going to be talking much, much more about
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  Speaker 5: Thanksgiving fare coming up.
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  Speaker 3: But I want to, on that note, by the way,
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  Speaker 3: thanks grilling. Our third annual Thanksgiving at Wild Fork in
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  Speaker 3: Laguna Niguel is coming up on November 14th.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I'll be there. I will be there. We have
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  Speaker 2: to start pitching that.
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  Speaker 3: That's less than a month away.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And I don't know what they're doing for Thanksgiving this year.
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  Speaker 3: Last year, they had precooked. frozen turkeys that basically you're
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  Speaker 3: just uh heating up so we'll be talking more oh.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah and i love that i love thanks grilling uh
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  Speaker 5: when we do it at wild fork and it's always
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  Speaker 5: great fun and and when people come we always say
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  Speaker 5: the same thing come for samples uh but they're far
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  Speaker 5: more than samples oh yeah oh man when they hand
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  Speaker 5: out when they hand out food i mean it is
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  Speaker 5: a meal This is not Costco samples where you're fighting
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  Speaker 5: the Korean ladies as you're fighting for the front of
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  Speaker 5: the line.
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  Speaker 2: I did that yesterday.
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  Speaker 5: I was waiting for a little chicken McNugget and some
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  Speaker 5: Korean lady who must have been 80 years old pushed
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  Speaker 5: me out of the way.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, you get in fights with these people.
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  Speaker 3: Push back.
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  Speaker 5: You know, she's like 80 years old.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, she's telling the story going, some 80-year-old man, Jewish man,
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  Speaker 3: just pushed me out of the way.
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  Speaker 2: But here's the problem. They come in groups, right?
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  Speaker 5: So you got the Korean lady, old Korean lady groups.
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  Speaker 5: And you can't push one out of the way. They'll
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  Speaker 5: kill you. They'll kill you.
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  Speaker 3: It's like a gang fight.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: And so you go and, and I said this about Costco,
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  Speaker 5: you know, they have those vitamin drinks that no one
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  Speaker 5: pays attention to, but when they have chicken nuggets or
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  Speaker 5: they have, oh man, those lines are crazy.
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  Speaker 3: You get that short rib lasagna samples.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I go around the what I do is I
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  Speaker 5: go around the display case and get back and I
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  Speaker 5: take another one. Then I leave and go around the
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  Speaker 5: display case again and I get another one. Lunch at
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  Speaker 5: Costco is good if you can take Korean ladies screaming
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  Speaker 5: at you. and pushing you out of the way. Okay,
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  Speaker 5: we're done, guys. We're going to do a lot more
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  Speaker 5: about Thanksgiving, and certainly we're going to talk about Thanksgiving grilling,
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  Speaker 5: which is something that is great fun that we do
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  Speaker 5: at Wildford.
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  Speaker 3: November 14th, Saturday. Write it down.
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  Speaker 2: Put it on the calendar.
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  Speaker 5: I shall be there, and hopefully you show up, too.
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  Speaker 5: It would be really nice to have you guys there.
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  Speaker 2: All right, coming up, I.
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  Speaker 4: You're listening to Bill Handel on demand from KFI AM 640.
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  Speaker 5: Next couple of weeks are going to be pretty busy weeks.
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  Speaker 5: First of all, next Tuesday is the Israeli election to
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  Speaker 5: see if Netanyahu stays as prime minister. And that is
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  Speaker 5: a lot of influence going to happen with the war
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  Speaker 5: in the Mideast. And a week from next Tuesday are
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  Speaker 5: the midterm elections. The midterms are here. And starting on Monday,
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  Speaker 5: I'm going to be– As always, during elections, issuing my
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  Speaker 5: voter guide, trying to figure out what the props being.
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  Speaker 5: Usually it's propositions here in California. We're such a blue
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  Speaker 5: state that it doesn't matter for state offices. It doesn't
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  Speaker 5: matter at all. I mean, I don't know why Republicans
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  Speaker 5: even show up in Sacramento with such a super majority.
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  Speaker 5: But some of the local races for Congress are pretty important.
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  Speaker 5: because it has to do with Congress flipping on to
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  Speaker 5: the Democratic side, which is a virtual certainty at this point.
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  Speaker 5: We'll just see how much. And then the real contest
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  Speaker 5: is in the Senate. Is the Senate going to flip?
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  Speaker 5: And if you have a Republican president, which of course
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  Speaker 5: we do, and a Democratic Senate and a Democratic House,
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  Speaker 5: things certainly change much more than they're going on now.
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  Speaker 5: Right now, the president can do whatever he wants. He
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  Speaker 5: has a Congress that will just back him up no
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  Speaker 5: matter what, no matter what. Mike Johnson, Speaker of the House,
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  Speaker 5: has said outright his job as Speaker is not to
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  Speaker 5: lead the House, is not as a third member of
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  Speaker 5: the U.S.
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  Speaker 2: Government.
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  Speaker 5: It's to make sure that Donald Trump gets what he wants.
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  Speaker 5: He said that straight out. Well, that's going to change. OK,
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  Speaker 5: I want to introduce you to someone who is just
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  Speaker 5: a fascinating character and is considered fascinating. one of, if
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  Speaker 5: not the deepest mind in the word of AI. His
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  Speaker 5: name is Demis or Demi Hassabi or Hassabis. I still
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: have to figure out how he pronounces his name. And
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: so even as a boy, he dreamed of building some
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  Speaker 5: form of artificial intelligence that would be smart enough to
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  Speaker 5: go beyond what it's doing today, but literally crack the
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  Speaker 5: mysteries of the universe. He started the research lab that
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  Speaker 5: became Google DeepMind. That was his, he created it. And
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  Speaker 5: he has turned his life's obsession into the mission of
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  Speaker 5: his company. The ultimate goal, this is him talking about this.
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  Speaker 5: The ultimate goal was to build AI and understand the
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  Speaker 5: mind and then use it to understand science. Step one,
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  Speaker 5: solve intelligence. Step two, solve everything else. Now, AI writes
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  Speaker 5: code already.
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  Speaker 2: We know that. Rewrites emails, summarizes meetings.
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  Speaker 5: Dr. Jim Keeney was talking about that. It can prove
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  Speaker 5: abstract math conjectures and problems and figure out things like
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  Speaker 5: why your washing machine is making weird noises.
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  Speaker 2: It does all of that.
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  Speaker 5: But in his mind, what he wants to do is
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  Speaker 5: make the kind of discoveries with AI that actually change
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  Speaker 5: our lives and in a very big way. He's 50
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  Speaker 5: years old now and he lives and works in England.
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  Speaker 5: That's where he was born. That was where he was raised.
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  Speaker 5: That's where he was knighted. He is Sir Demas or Demi,
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  Speaker 5: I think is Demas. And the difference between Sir Demas
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: and And Silicon Valley gave them a different perspective altogether.
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  Speaker 5: He says, I feel like it helps me think original thoughts.
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  Speaker 5: And he says this from London, because usually you think
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  Speaker 5: of all this technology in terms of Silicon Valley. And
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: he says, no, no, the fact that I'm in London
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  Speaker 5: makes it much better. And he talks about this moment
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  Speaker 5: of AI anxiety. But he is offering a vision of
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  Speaker 5: the future that doesn't want to pull the plug on
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  Speaker 5: every data.
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  Speaker 2: Center, for example.
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  Speaker 5: He understands the risks of the technology, but he says
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  Speaker 5: it's pointless to address them without over-hyping them. It's not
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  Speaker 5: altogether a disaster and it's not altogether a nirvana. There
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  Speaker 5: is a middle road. But look where that middle road
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  Speaker 5: is going to go in his mind. He said, I'm
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: very much in the solutions business. If there's a problem,
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: how do we solve that with collective human ingenuity? And
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: if you don't have a solution, then you work harder.
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: to find the solution. And you do that with AI
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  Speaker 5: or AGI. And I'll explain that in a minute. So
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: he is no longer with DeepMind.
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  Speaker 2: He left it.
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  Speaker 5: There was a leadership shuffle. So he's back to being
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  Speaker 5: on his own and he's working on artificial general intelligence, AGI.
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  Speaker 5: And he says that of AGI, it's a system with
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  Speaker 5: full cognitive range of the human brain, not just some
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  Speaker 5: of our capabilities, but all of our capabilities, right? effectively
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  Speaker 5: the human brain in an algorithm. And earlier he said
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  Speaker 5: that AGI was still three to five years away from
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: getting there. Now he says it's two to three years.
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: He's updating it nearer and nearer. And as he describes
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  Speaker 5: what it is, it means helping humanity steward AGI into
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  Speaker 5: this world safely and securely for the benefit of everyone.
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  Speaker 5: I think it's the most important thing I can do
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  Speaker 5: over the next two years. So it's not just revolutionizing AI,
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: it's revolutionizing AI in a way that is far deeper
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  Speaker 5: than we think of.
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  Speaker 2: We think of it as a practical approach.
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  Speaker 5: And we think of it as science fiction when we
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: talk about the robotics and the AI programs as approaching humanity. Or, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: approaching what human beings can do. And the fear is, oh,
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  Speaker 5: my God, robots are going to take over. We're not
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  Speaker 5: going to have any decision making. And what he says,
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  Speaker 5: we are going to be able to do that with them.
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: But the trick is to make it more human, make
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  Speaker 5: it moral. make it with the ability to think like
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  Speaker 5: us at a superhuman pace, but put morality in there
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  Speaker 5: in a big way. He's a very interesting guy. I'm
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: going to come back and tell you about his background.
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: What an interesting character, to say the least, and is
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: considered the deepest mind, if not one of the deepest
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  Speaker 5: minds in the world of AI.
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  Speaker 2: And we'll be back. I'll finish that one up.
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  Speaker 4: You're listening to Bill Handel On Demand from KFI AM640.
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  Speaker 5: Next week and the week afterwards, very busy weeks as
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: the midterms come up. A week from Tuesday is when
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: the vote takes place. All right, I want to finish
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  Speaker 5: this segment about this man, Dimas Hassabis, who is a
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  Speaker 5: Brit and is considered probably the deepest mind in the
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  Speaker 5: world of AI. He's 50 years old and he lives
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: in England. And what he does is create AI models. Boy,
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: does he create AI models. And right now, he is
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: looking at AI as a vision of the future. And
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: that is, in simple terms, take the technology of AI,
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: try to create it, and he will, to basically mimic
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: the human mind. It becomes human, but in a positive way.
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  Speaker 5: with the best of humanity says that can be done.
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: And if anybody can do it, that's that he certainly
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  Speaker 5: is the man. So let me tell you a little
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: bit about Demi. He started thinking about all of this
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: as a four year old. He was a child prodigy.
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: And when he was starting to play child, he needed
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: a phone book to sit on just to play the game.
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: By the time he was 12, he was one of
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: the best chess players in the world for his age.
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: And so what he decided to do was dive into
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  Speaker 5: the world of computers. He realized at 12 years of age,
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: so with earnings from tournaments that he won at the
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: age of 12, he bought his first computer. When he
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: was 16, he took a gap year before college to
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: work at a video game production company. and was experimenting
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: with the earliest forms of AI. I mean, what a character,
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: for sure. Let me get this page, because I want
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: to make sure I get all the facts correctly here.
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: And at that point he believed AI was going to
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: reshape the world. His boss at that video game company
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: offered him a million pounds to skip college. That's $ 1. 3
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: million if you don't go to college and work for me.
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: He turned that down and went to Cambridge. He taught
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  Speaker 5: himself Go, which is a Chinese game, which is older
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: and far more complex than chess.
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  Speaker 2: And then he went to the pub. He was an interesting.
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  Speaker 5: Guy and mastered foosball. He goes, I was Cambridge champion.
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  Speaker 5: And he dared colleagues to beat him. No one could
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: beat him. Finally, when he did lose, he stood up
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  Speaker 5: and declared in a loud voice, it's like my soul
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: is on fire. So he earned his PhD in 2010
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: in neuroscience and his study of the mind. And he
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: started this little company called DeepMind, which was bought by
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: Google for $ 660 million. So he doesn't have to worry
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: about the cost of living to say the least. And
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: what he did, and he described the company, envisioned this
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: as a cross between Bell Labs and the Manhattan Project.
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: And right from the beginning, AI was there. And he
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: started with AI to play Pong. And here's how it went.
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: For months, he said it was like an eternity. AI
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: couldn't win a point. But once it started winning, it
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: couldn't stop. And the same thing happened in Breakout, another
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: early game. After 100 games, the AI wasn't very good.
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  Speaker 5: After 300, it was as good as any human. After
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: 500 games, it was superhuman. That was what AI is about.
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: And the lab that he started, DeepMind, had its first
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: breakthrough in 2016 with a system called AlphaGo. And that
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: beat the top players in Go after a series of matches.
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: That blew past any human around the world. And so
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: in one, basically the problem was he saw an opportunity
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: to find solutions in a whole lot more and predicting,
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  Speaker 5: for example, this one, boy, here's a story, predicting the
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: shapes of proteins.
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  Speaker 2: Which is almost impossible.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: Why?
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: Because there's over 200 million of them and his programs
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: were able to do that. And then he gave that program,
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: that algorithm to the world for free. It's for science
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  Speaker 5: to use. He didn't patent it. And, oh, I forgot,
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  Speaker 5: he won the Nobel Prize in Chemistry, too. And he's
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: 50 now. He won it in his 40s. Just an
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: incredible man. And when asked, what do you feel like?
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: I mean, what do you think is going to happen? Well,
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  Speaker 5: he said right now, AI in America, the tools are unpopular.
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: He sees it as just another problem to solve. You know,
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  Speaker 5: for years, for example, AI folks have teased the possibility
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: of curing cancer.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: Well, he's time.
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: It's actually time. It's actually time to cure cancer. And
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: that's going to change people's opinion of AI because right
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: now it's pretty negative. We just had that story about
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: how humanity is going to be destroyed by the end
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: of the decade.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: And he goes, that's a crock.
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: Let's cure cancer. And now anybody can say that. But
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: this is a guy who means it and is going
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: to be able to pull it off. I could go
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: on for a very long time with this man, but,
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: you know, we are out of time.
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  Speaker 2: All right. We are out of time. It's a Friday.
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  Speaker 2: We're done. Next week, we start the voter guide. Everybody
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: comes aboard.
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: Neil and I are going to start talking about November 14th,
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: where we're going to do the grilling.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: Thanks, grilling. Thanks, grilling. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: At Wild Fork in the Laguna Niguel.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to be a lot of fun. Yes, it is.
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  Speaker 3: Put it in your calendar.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, tomorrow, Neil with Fork Report, 2 to 5 p.m.
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  Speaker 5: I'm on from 8 to 11 with Handel on The Law.
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  Speaker 2: Monday, we start all over again.
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: Will, who is not here, but may be here on Monday,
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: although as soon as we discover he really don't need him.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: I don't know if he's going to be here or not.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: And that's with Amy.
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: Wake up call. And then, of course, Neil and I
• 27:44
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• 27:49
  Speaker 5: up the rest of the team. Gary and Shannon up next.
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