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All right, folks, you are listening to Table Talk here at the Philadelphia
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Sports Table podcast show, the longest running weekly Philly sports podcast show in the
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world, that's right over ten years strong. It is June nineteenth, twenty
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twenty three, and we have got a great, great table talk discussion coming
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your way this week. The college football season, I feel, is right
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around the corner, and there are a lot of storylines that have been happening
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throughout this college football offseason that we wanted to get to here on our Table
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Talk show and interview this week. We have got a great guest. We've
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had him on before. I can't wait to talk to him, So let's
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get to it. You can find him on Twitter at Rise and draft.
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He is a great writer over at Sports Illustrated, writing for the Irish Breakdown
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dot com, and he's also the co host of the First Team podcast as
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well. I'd love having him on the show. Mister Ryan Roberts, Hey
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you doing Ryan, I'm good, Jeff, I'm good man. Everything's uh.
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The thing's moving, brother, things moving. How's everything on your end?
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It's going well. I'm really excited for this college football season, this
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upcoming season that I think you know there's gonna be a lot of great storylines
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that we're gonna be following, not just throughout the season, but leading up
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to the season as well. And I know you do a lot of writing
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again over at SI for you know, Notre Dame and the recruiting and what
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is happening with that team. And I want to go start our discussion with
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Notre Dame and their football program is so interesting to me. And you know,
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as somebody who you know, somebody who has gone to Penn State,
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and you know, we know some of the long term history between Notre Dame
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Penn State, you know, again many years ago. I still find Fighting
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Irish to be a very interesting football program. Look. Last year, you
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know, they finished their season ranked number eighteenth in the nation. Second year
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head coach Marcus Freeman, you know, he likely wants this to be a
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top ten team in the nation heading into twenty twenty three, if not a
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top five team perhaps. So I'm wondering where do you see this Fighting Irish
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team trending in twenty twenty three as the seasons right around the corner. I
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mean, I really do think and some people might call it bias, I
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guess, but I'm actually usually a little bit pessimistic about Notre Dame football at
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some point because I've been a fan my entire life and i haven't seen a
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national championship in my lifetime. But I really think that this team is good
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enough to compete for a playoff birth I really do, man, this is
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it's it's been one of those. And this is partly credited to Brian Kelly
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and then partly credited to Marcus Freeman. Now, is that Brian Kelly got
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the program to eight points of consistency, you know, double digit wins every
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single year they were they were a solid football program. I think Marcus Freeman
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has come in and it has really taken the recruiting to another level, being
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able to really acquire maybe a little bit more of high level talent as far
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as upside of talents. And the biggest thing that's been holding Her Dame back
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over the last few years, at least in most of my lifetime is quarterback
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play. Yeah, that's just been one spot that has not been consistent.
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I mean, you had two years of Brady Quinn, you had a year
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and a half of Jimmy Clawson of like elite play. Other than that,
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It's been good at times with the in book, solid at others with guys
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like de Shaun Kaiser and Malik Zayer when he wasn't injured, But it just
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has been very sporadic and it has been consistent. You bring in a guy
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like a Sam Hartman that is the all time leader in ACC history and touchdown
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passes one hundred and ten touchdowns, top twenty, top twenty all time in
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both passing yards and passing touchdowns in college football history. This should be the
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most decorated and consistent quarterback play that they've had, and at least since Jimmy
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Clausen, maybe since Brady Quinns quarterback play increasing getting better, and then plus
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the talent that I think that Notre Dame brings back in twenty twenty three,
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I think that this team is definitely a top ten team, possible top five
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team, and I think they could contend for a playoff spot because I think
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they have a very good team. And college football this year is changing a
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lot of quarterbacks, you know, just changing quarterbacks. Ohio states Like,
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there's a lot of different of changing. Alabama's gonna have a new starting quarterback.
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So I think that you are in a position where you could take advantage
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of a little bit of transitional stuff. So I think that's kind of what
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Notre Dames upside is this year. I know my Penn State and any Lions
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are gonna have a new quarterback. Thank god, Sean Clifford. I was
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a little tired of seeing him under center for the past which seemed to be
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twenty five years. So moving along though, with regard to Notre Dame two,
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another storyline that I think is going to be really interesting to follow is,
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you know, their pursuit of their next TV contract. And again,
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I think it's gonna be a real big storyline heading into this season because we
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know the rich tradition and history that this that this you know or Irish Fighting
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Irish team has had with NBC, and this is the last year of the
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contract with NBC, and there's gonna be other suitors out there for sure looking
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to pay the Fighting Irish some big bucks for that next Notre Dame football TV
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contract. So you know, some are saying Notre Dame could receive up to
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like sixty million dollars for whatever broadcast company is going to be paying them that
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with this next contract. I'm wondering what are your thoughts about this next contract,
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the direction it's going, and what might mean not just for Notre Dame,
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but potentially for college football programs across America. Well, I think that
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this. I think Notre Dame is getting into a very interesting points over the
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next couple of years, not only for the TV deal but also with redoing
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the apparel deals of the uniforms. And because right now, Jeff, what
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people are all talking about is realignments in college football. Right if this is
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truly going to a super conference conversation, you would think that if it goes
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a certain way, Notre Dame might be forced into a conference at some point.
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Now, I don't think it's going to be any time in the near
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future. But I was going to ask you about that. Yeah, I
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was going to ask you about that as well, But so I'm glad you're
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bringing it up now. Yeah, And I think that a lot of the
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TV contracts, the Jersey contracts, as far as you know your affiliation there,
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a lot of those are going to be speculated because they align with certain
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conferences, right like the Big Ten contracts and the SEC contracts, And so
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I think there's a lot of speculation about what this could mean. I think
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personally Notre Dame is what makes Notre Dame so unique is that they are a
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national brand obviously, right, Like even when Notre Dame isn't super relevant,
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and again, they haven't won in national championships in nineteen eighty eight, so
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they haven't been overly relevant as far as winning championships. They still have the
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namesake, they still have the following. People still love them or they hate
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them, like it's very volatile type of relationship with Notre Dames. So I
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think that what Notre Dame is gonna do and what they need to do is
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they're really it's almost going to become like a bargaining chip to a degree,
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right because if the worst case for me, because people keep saying and I
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completely disagree with this, Notre Dame needs to jump into a conference now before
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they get left on the outside looking, And I'm like, Notre Dame is
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never going to get left on the outside looking. In focus the conference so
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much money, like are we crazy? Like s SEC big ten whoever?
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Whatever, the conferences end up looking like they're all going to want Notre Dame
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to be a part of it because they're gonna make them more money. I
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mean, it's all about money at the end of the day. So with
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that in mind, I just think that Notre Dame is going to be looking
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out for themselves in the short term and the long term. It's just gonna
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let everything else take care of itself. Right, It's gonna be a bargaining
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chip. Don't join a conference, don't be forced to do something that's out
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of your norm until you have to, because at that point you're going to
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be more of valuable down the line than you are right now. Like that's
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just I mean, how much was a candy bar just like ten years ago?
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Right? Like now it's like incredibly expensive. Like it's anything, right,
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Things are getting more expensive, things are getting It's just it's a natural
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kind of process of this world. So I think that it's it's gonna be
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hyper focused. But I think Notre Dame is really going to for this next
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TV do do you do what's best for them as far as what gives them
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the best platform because a lot of people didn't love the NBC broadcast over the
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last couple of years, it's been a little bit up and down. I
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think it's just the short term looking out for yourself and then long term,
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let everything else kind of align itself. Well. Obviously, NBC would absolutely
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hate to lose having Notre Dame on on their you know, their college football
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platform, because they're probably one of the most consistent aspects of NBC Sports has
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been Notre Dame football, you know, for how many decades now. NBC
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would hate to lose that. But you did touch on something that I kind
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of did want to ask you, and just turns of them being an independent
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college football team, and you kind of touched on it a little bit.
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I think at some point Notre Dame will end up joining one of the conferences,
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one of the either Big Ten or the SEC at some point down the
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road, but they're going to do it on their terms, as you indicate.
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I completely agree with that, but I do think it may actually happen
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sooner rather than later, And what I mean by that is perhaps within the
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next five years or so. So I don't know what are your thoughts in
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terms of when they might actually feel that need and not necessarily be forced to
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join. I should say they're not forced to join a conference, but from
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a financial standpoint, it's going to be extremely beneficial for that football program the
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university for them to do. So, yeah, it's such it's kind of
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a double edged sword for me because I think the great part about Notre Dame
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is that it's a very unique place, right Like, it's a very difference,
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and I think the independence really works to their favorite ton I mean,
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they can schedule their national schedule, they can go out to USC, they
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can play the Midwest Powers, they can go down to SEC country occasionally,
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like, they can kind of play all over, which is appealing to the
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recruiting side of things. It's also appealing just from the general sense of being
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relevant if you haven't won a championship in so long. So I really think
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that they're going to hold on to the independence as long as they possibly can.
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The uniqueness, I think is the big part about that. But I
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think I think so for me, it's just trying to feel out what the
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landscape's gonna look like. You know, there's a lot of people that are
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speculating, you know, the two major conferences and then you know, maybe
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they'll just play each other. And there's a bunch of like you know,
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basically G five programs at that point that are just kind of on the outset
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looking in, I'm intorts to see where it goes, because I do agree
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with you. I think eventually their hand will get forced a little bit.
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And it's not forced of like you don't get anything out of this, you've
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got to come here or else you fail. It's more of like, okay,
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now I do have to sell my soul a little bit to be able
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to join one of these conferences. So I think it's going to happen eventually,
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But I think for Notre Dame sake, I think staying independent as long
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as possible is the best. So whether it is five years your hands force,
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whether it's ten years, whether it never happens, whatever, it is,
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independence as long as possible, and then you kind of figure that out
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when you have to figure yeah, yeah, it's gonna be interesting to watch
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for sure over these next years what actually happens with that dynamic. But there's
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another aspect of college football that I wanted to dive into with you, Ryan,
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And look, we still have another year to go before we see that
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twelve team college football playoff, and personally, I just I really like the
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expansion of playoff college football because for me, inevitably, in the end,
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different teams in different schools are gonna have the opportunity to showcase themselves, at
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least I believe so that teams that in programs that might not normally get that
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publicity we're gonna end up seeing at some point in January and throughout December likely
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playing. And I also think that there's the ability to potentially potentially in over
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time, spread out the college football talent a little bit more, which I
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think would be good for college football. So how are you feeling about this
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college football playoff expansion that's going to be coming in twenty twenty four. I
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mean, I love it personally, I really do. I mean, I'm
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a football guy, right, so I want to see more football. But
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I would also say this is that growing up, I loved Bowl season,
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right like I loved watching the different bowls because people, because players seem to
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really buy into it, like they loved it, right and they don't love
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it anymore. It's just the fact of the world we're living. We're seeing
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kids opt out at such a high rate, We're seeing teams not really care
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about what we're seven seeing teams drop out of bowl games at this point.
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Yeah, So I think that if you're gonna supplement things, right, supplementing
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Bowl season, and it's gonna be bittersweet for me because I did love Bowl
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season at one point, but it just doesn't matter as much anymore, right,
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So it supplementing Bowl season with a larger playoff bracket that's going to kind
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of supplement what games you're losing from the bowl season. And I think that,
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Look, I'm a big fan of competition. I'm a big fan of
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getting teams a bigger platform and opportunity to play. And because last year,
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I mean again, I know some people are gonna say it was just one
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year, like it doesn't happen like this, but we saw a national championship
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game that was sixty five to seven last year between TCU and Georgia, Like,
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wouldn't have been nice to maybe get a different team potentially, because I
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think that everyone knew TCU was a flawed team. So if it's a bigger
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playoff bracket, there's a better chance, in my opinion of the teams that
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I don't want to call him fraudulent, because TCU earned the right to be
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there, but a team that maybe the parody isn't as high might get knocked
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out against maybe a better team that just maybe dry. Like I'm gonna use
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Alabama for instance, Right, Alabama wasn't a great football team last year,
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but I do think that Alabama plays Georgia tougher at any point in that playoff,
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and I think that if they play TCU, they win pretty convincingly as
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long as everybody plays right. So I think expanding that playoff I think strengthens
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the opportunity. I also think it's strengthens college football in the sense that players
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are going to be more likely to not opt out to play the full season.
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To really, I mean, wouldn't it be awesome if it's a twelve
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seed versa whatever seed and the twelve seed has this kid that's going to go
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in the top ten in the draft, and he was gonna opt out of
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any bowl game. But now that's a playoff game he's going to play.
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That's better for college football. And so I agree, man, I love
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the expansion. I think that you know, there's gonna be some conversations of
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is twelve the right number? Should there have been a different number, and
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we could have that conversation. I think that's a legitimate, you know,
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conversation that we could have. But For me, I really do like the
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playoff nature of college sports where it's going because it's just I think that the
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level of parody to your points is going to start to increase and that you're
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going to give more players a national spotlight, which I think could be good
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for college football. Absolutely can. And you kind of segued into a topic
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that I wanted to get into with you as well, Ryan, which is,
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you know, players are opting out of these bowl games because at the
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end of the day, it's a business decision for them. They're looking after
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their futures, They're looking after their potential financial futures as they look toward the
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NFL. They don't want to get injured. It's it's understandable from a business
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perspective in that regard, but the business perspective of what college football really has
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become has just completely taken off. And that is because of name, image
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and likeness, a better known as NIL as we have all known now and
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are following, and we're at a point where, you know, some members
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within the United States Congress are actually looking to regulate the overall NIL process because
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it is becoming more and more like a business on college campuses and even away
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from the college campuses as well as these college football players, many of them
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are trying to really create their brand and what they're going to do to elevate
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their business and professional careers after college. So I'm wondering, like, what
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are your thoughts about what the NIL has brought to college athletics and college football
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and how it's really kind of changing the sport. Here just some reflections on
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it. What are your thoughts. I love NIL from a I love the
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idea of NIL, and I love some podcast too. Yeah, we have
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too, because we've always felt that college athletes should have some sort of compensation
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if multimillions of dollars are being funneled into these programs, you know, and
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college players not getting the benefit of that. So anyway, I'm sorry to
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interrupt. Go ahead, No, no, no, you're good now,
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because I really think that we see that at kind of on the same similar
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wavelength. And I think that for me, Like, if you ask me,
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do I like NIL? Yes, I love NIL. I think that
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it is great that players are able to profit off of their namesake. Yeah,
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they're impact on the sport and their symbolism, and like it's great.
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It really is the issue that's happening right now though, and I cover recruiting,
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so like, see this so much is that we are I think too
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many people are coupling everything in the NIL And there's a big difference between NIL
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and pay for play. They're very different things. So we're seeing we're seeing
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a bunch of players just getting a payout in the beginning to come play college
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football. Right, It's like, that's not nil, that's improper benefits that
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now people are putting under the same umbrella so they don't get in trouble,
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Like that's all that is. That's part of what the US Congress wants to
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kind of regulate in a way. And it's it's so sad, Jeff,
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because you know who should be regulating that is n't Yeah, NC double A
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doesn't feel that it is their responsibility. For whatever reason. They're like,
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yeah, nil, cool. Now we're just gonna go, you know,
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have a tea party or whatever. We're not gonna enforce any role or put
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any stipulation. So there may be a clear understanding of this is nil,
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this is legal, you can do this, this is not nil. Stop
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putting it under the same umbrella. And it drives me crazy. I'm on
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Twitter all the time where I see people saying NIL killed this team. Nils,
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you know, is the reason that this team is doing so well.
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And I'm like, that's not an I l that's not a team having a
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committed player for the longest time and then all of a sudden a university comes
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in and gives them five hundred thousand dollars to come play for their school for
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no real Like, that's not NIL, that's improper benefits. So I just
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think that we as a society needs to better understand what name, image and
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likeness is for one and I am glad that someone is taking the stance of
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like, hey, we need to regulate this stuff, and we need to
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make sure that you clearly understand what NIL is. Because I love I love
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a player going to a college. You know, I cover Notre Dame,
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so I'll use another Dame as example. You're the quarterback at university Notre Dame.
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These six companies want to sponsor you and they want to have a deal
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with you because you are the quarterback or Notre Dame. That's great, it's
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fantastic, But again, big difference between the pay for play and the NIL
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stuff. And I really think that we need to separate that. So if
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it has to go to Congress or up that up the ladder, that's fine
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with me, because unfortunately we can't depend on the NC double A to do
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anything that's true, that depend on them, Absolutely true, the NC double
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A is very just endemic when it comes to regulating you know what goes on
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within the ranks, for sure. Absolutely completely agree with you when it comes
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to nil for sure. And again, folks, we're talking to Ryan Roberts
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at Rise and Draft on Twitter. He writes about recruiting for Irish Breakdown dot
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com over at Sports Illustrated and catch him and his co host over at the
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First Team podcast as well. And as we're moving along here, we're gonna
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talk about the quarterback situation because it's what we so many of us college football
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fans focus on even before the season starts. You know what quarterbacks are going
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to be the dominant ones throughout this college football season looking at the next NFL
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draft, so, um, you know, most people they're gonna be focusing
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on Caleb Williams for sure. You know he is a very talented quarterback in
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college football here, but some folks, you know, they're gonna be looking
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keenly on guy like you know, Drake May out of out of North Carolina,
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Jaden Daniels out of LSU. They're certainly gonna be getting some looks at
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some top tier quarterbacks as well. I'm wondering, Ryan, what quarterbacks are
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you specifically looking forward to watching seeing their talent on the field this coming season
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and why? Well, I think that for me, I'm always because there's
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always the names that you hear that are the known commodity, like bow Nicks
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from all Oregon's gonna be a guy that's name is thrown out there, Michael
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Pennocks junior obviously with the season he just had at Washington. Yeah, I
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love kind of keeping an eye on some of the more toolsy quarterbacks that maybe
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just don't have the national name yet. And for me, there's two quarterbacks
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to fit that bill. One is Michael Pratt down at two lane. Yeah,
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actually just beat Kyle, just beat Caleb Williams in the Rose Bowl this
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past year, right, So, like I think that for me, he's
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a young man that is six two and a half sixty three, two hundred
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and twenty plus pounds strong arm, good athletes. I think that his play
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improved tremendously from twenty twenty one to twenty twenty two. He's got some of
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the most raw gifts of any quarterback in college football. It's just about fine
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tuning everything, being a little bit more consistent, and on a team that
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just won eleven games last year in a major bowl victory, I think Two
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Lane is a really fun team to keep an eye on because Willy Fritz has
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done a tremendous job with that program. Because I mean just two years ago
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they were two and ten yea and now they win eleven games in one season.
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I think when you look at them, they're going to have a really
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nice year. They should. I mean, they're losing Taija Spears, but
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outside of that, it's a lot of guys coming back for two Lane.
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So I'm excited about Pratt, the other guy who is only a redshirt sophomore
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this year, or actually it's gonna be a true junior technically, because I
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think he had to play when he was a true freshman. So I don't
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know if he'll be in the draft. But I really like Riley Leonard down
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at Duke. He is one of the more intriguing quarterbacks in college football Jeff
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for me, because it's like if I just separated the athlete from the quarterback
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and I just said, stay in the pocket, be the quarterback you are.
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I really liked Riley a lot. I mean, he threw for about
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three thousand yards and you're near three thousand yards. Last year he threw for
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twenty plus touchdowns and in a season where I just talked about two lanes turnaround.
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Duke was a bad program before the year before Mike Elko took over.
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Mike Elko comes, Riley Leonard becomes one of the more consistent pastors in college
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football. I think he's got really nice timing. I think he throws with
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anticipation. He's got a plus arm. But then he's an athlete. Man.
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I talked to Riley and he was hit. So his dad and his
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uncle both played major college basketball. There was a time where Riley Leonard thought
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he was gonna be a college basketball player, not a college football player.
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So he ran for like he read for like seven hundred yards last year,
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ten touchdowns, like really nice Russian numbers, so like six to four,
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two hundred and twelve pounds, still filling out his frame. But he's an
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athlete. He throwed the football well, he's a really nice runner. I
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like Riley and a quiet nine and four season for Duke in the first year
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of Mike Elko. I wouldn't be surprised if Duke was a double digit win
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season this year and in contention to play in the ACC Championship. Wow,
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I think they have been upside So Michael Pratt and Riley Leonard, I'm Duke
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like, those are a couple of guys that I really have my eye on
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because they're a little bit of the under the radar guys. But I think
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they both have great, great tools to work with. I think that's and
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that's a great segue Ryan into the last topic I wanted to dive into with
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you, which is some under the radar college football programs and teams. And
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I just I love every year how we see, you know, a few
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teams here and there each you know, we see it every year. Each
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we have a season where teams just surprise us, you know, whether they
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are moving up the college football ranks or they just get into the top twenty
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five, whether it is you know, a Duke or what Tulane did in
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terms of their football play last year. Is there are there other under the
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radar college football teams and programs that we should be looking at heading into this
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season that's going to be really fun for us to watch on Saturdays. Well,
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I think Duke is a big one for Yeah, I really think so.
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I firsthand obviously saw Mike Elko. He was a defensive coordinator for another
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Dame a few years ago before he went over to Texas AM and I think
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he's a tremendous coach. So nine and four and twenty twenty two with Duke,
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I think was a incredible first season and a great step obviously for the
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Duke program. So I think that year two of Riley Leonard, full time
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starting quarterback Jaden Moore and a couple of the wide receivers coming back, a
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good defense, and a really good defensive coach obviously as their head coach of
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Mike Elko, I think they have a chance to be a very good team,
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you know, double digit win season, a team that I think is
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going to take a big step forward this year that had a seven and six
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record last year, and it's the team I've been kind of hyping up all
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offseason, is a potentially at ten win season that maybe no one's talking about
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and that's Washington State out in the PAC twelve. Yeah. I keep looking
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at the schedule from last year, Jeff, and they were a young football
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team, still a young coaching staff there. They owe seven and six,
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But if you look at the schedule, they lose a three point game to
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Oregon that could have went either way. They really played USC tough man down
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the stretch. USC kind of took the lead there in the fourth and then
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it was kind of the game was a lot closer than what the thirty to
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fourteen final score was. I mean that was a one score game for the
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majority of that football game. They lose by four points to Utah as well,
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that obviously went to the Rose Bowl, won the Rose Bowl, and
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you know, was a Pac twelve championship obviously, Like actually they lost to
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Penn State. I completely forgot for that, but yeah, the Pac twelve
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championship though, two straight years of Pac twelve championships. So you lose by
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forty to Utah, you lose by three points to Oregon, who were tooting
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the better teams in the Pac twelve. And I really think that this team
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defensively, this is the first time in a long time where I look at
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Washington State and I'm like, defensively, they're gonna be a good team coming
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back man Brenan Jackson, I think a defensive end is one of the better
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players in college football that no one talks about. Cameron Ward was a record
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setting quarterback at our Cannet Ward at down in in Texas FCS program, and
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then he transferred up to Washington State. He had an up and down solid
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twenty twenty two season. I think he's going to take a massive step forward.
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So Duke's one, but I really think Washington State going from seven to
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six too. I think that they can win double digit wins in twenty twenty
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three, and they can be in contention of maybe I don't know if they
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win the Pac twelve, but the at least be in the conversation down the
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stretch of the team that could potentially play in the game. I love it.
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I love it, you know, Washington State. I think they're a
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team that is certainly not just on the rise, but it is going to
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be relevant for sure, and not just this coming college football season, but
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potentially in the future as well. Ryan Man, I greatly appreciate you coming
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on board. Our table talk interview discussion this week and folks again at Rise
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and Draft. On Twitter, you can find him and all of his great
26:40
content over at Irish Breakdown dot Com, over at SI and again the First
26:44
Team Podcast. Listen on Apple Podcast. It's where I listened to all my
26:48
podcasts. And I gotta tell you, Ryan, it was great talking to
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you again, my friend. Come back join us down the road. Let's
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talk more college football when the season gets here. I'd love to have you
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back on the show, my man. Absolutely yet anytime, brother, Thank
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you as always. Some really great teams there that Ryan was talking about because
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you know Washington State, you know he's talking about Duke, and I really
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think that Duke could be one of those teams. Again, like Ryan was
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talking about this, it's really going to surprise us this coming year within the
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college football ranks. And of course we are going to see how that you
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know, Top ten shakes out. It's always interesting to see from year to
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year what happens with various SEC teams, what happens with various Big ten teams
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as well. And I can't I can't wait for college football to get here,
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folks. I miss football. I need football in my life. Let's
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get to it. Let's get to it sooner rather than later. So it's
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