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Steelers vs Chargers NFL DFS Showdown | Week 10 SNF | Picks, Plays & Process · Daily Fantasy Sports by Ship It Nation

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  Speaker 1: All systems gone clear the left of what is going
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  Speaker 2: Back here for another Sunday night football breakdown with my
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  Speaker 2: guy Ham on Tap. Tonight, we got Pittsburgh Dusty Rogers,
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  Speaker 2: old man Rogers heading in to Los Angeles to face
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  Speaker 2: the Chargers here at home. Forty five and a half
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  Speaker 2: is the total. Three and a half point home favorites.
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  Speaker 2: Here are the Chargers. Pretty interesting game here overall pretty
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  Speaker 2: fun Sunday in general, mainslate of games. Hopefully the mean
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  Speaker 2: slate is going good by the time you're watching this video.
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  Speaker 2: And hey, if not, hopefully you can you can get
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  Speaker 2: back some of that some of that money right on
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  Speaker 2: this Sunday night football game. Here, heym, I'll bring you
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  Speaker 2: in happy Sunday man. How are your brother?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Doing well?
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  Speaker 4: Looking forward to this game? Dusty Rogers. All the Packers
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  Speaker 4: haters don't like Rogers anymore? Imagine that. But man, he
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  Speaker 4: is pretty he's I mean, I don't know, over the
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  Speaker 4: last couple of years, he's just not very DFS relevant.
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  Speaker 4: He's the second highest captain today. I don't think I
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  Speaker 4: have any interest in him in the captain spot. And
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  Speaker 4: interested to hear what you have to say about that.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, looking forward to the to the game to night.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I do not hate Rogers. I'll tell you that.
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  Speaker 2: I always love the love the man. He was great
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  Speaker 2: in Green Bay there, But I just think at this
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  Speaker 2: point of his career, I don't know, I'm not seeing
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  Speaker 2: much upside. And it's an interesting point here to talk
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  Speaker 2: about because when we jump over to the Draftking side,
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  Speaker 2: he is definitely gonna get played, not gonna be the
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  Speaker 2: second most popular captain, but he's gonna be probably anywhere
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  Speaker 2: from seven to ten percent on up in the captain spot,
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  Speaker 2: and then in the flex obviously he's gonna be probably
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  Speaker 2: forty to fifty somewhere.
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  Speaker 1: In that realm.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously much lower than Herbert, which we'll get into here.
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  Speaker 2: But let's go ahead and pull up our partner over
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  Speaker 2: at Sabersim here, and I got the old optimizer here
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  Speaker 2: up on the screen. Ham and I did run one
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  Speaker 2: hundred and fifty bills just with an average of our
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  Speaker 2: projection and Saber Sims projection. Obviously, this is eight am
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  Speaker 2: Central time, right the Lord's time zones. Shout Attar, got
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  Speaker 2: DJN up there, big guy in the sky watching over
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  Speaker 2: all of us.
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  Speaker 1: Here.
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  Speaker 2: I mean fifty percent Herbert in the drive run just
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  Speaker 2: from a projection standpoint, which makes sense, right, because you've
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  Speaker 2: got Keenan Allen, you've got Gadson, you got Quentin Johnson,
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  Speaker 2: you've got Lad McConkie.
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  Speaker 1: Right, who's it going to be? Typically he is a
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  Speaker 1: spread it out guy.
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  Speaker 2: Hard to really argue with, justin Herbert at the captain
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  Speaker 2: position here, I'll throw it over to you.
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  Speaker 1: What's your interest in the captain spot?
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  Speaker 2: When I do filter by salary, it does go Herbert Rogers,
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  Speaker 2: which hit on that for a second too, because it's
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  Speaker 2: been a while since we've seen a shut on slate
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  Speaker 2: right where we're looking at breaking down from a DFS perspective,
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  Speaker 2: and you see the two most expensive guys are quarterbacks
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  Speaker 2: and more so pocket passers.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously Herbert has a little bit of rushing upside, but
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  Speaker 2: in retrospect, right, it's not like a Josh Allen, it's
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  Speaker 2: not a Lamar Jackson type esque right, where they do
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  Speaker 2: have a rushing floor kind of baked into the projection.
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  Speaker 2: Quarterbacks being the highest priced guys on the slate is
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  Speaker 2: an interesting interesting point to kind of look at here.
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  Speaker 2: What's your take from the captain position overall, fifteen to
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  Speaker 2: nine for Herbert, fourteen to four for Rogers, and then
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  Speaker 2: drops down to lad Jalen, Warren, Camanie Vitall and then
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  Speaker 2: the rest of the bunch here.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's kind of weird and age. I think it's
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  Speaker 3: the last two. I think it's the last.
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  Speaker 4: Like the last two Showdown games, you've had defensive captain
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  Speaker 4: either with Denver the other night and Arizona was either
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  Speaker 4: the captain and they were definitely in the winter.
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  Speaker 3: But to me, this is a Chargers.
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  Speaker 4: Smash spot, to be honest with you, Like, I just
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  Speaker 4: think they come in here and steamroll this. This Steelers team.
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  Speaker 4: I have zero interest in Rogers in the captain spot.
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  Speaker 4: I have a lot of interest in Justin Herbert. He
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  Speaker 4: can run it with his legs. You know it was
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  Speaker 4: week one, but against the Chiefs he had like that
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  Speaker 4: forty yarder to steal the game. He can, you know,
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  Speaker 4: run it in from the two or three just like
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  Speaker 4: Tush push it in.
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  Speaker 3: He's so big. So I love Justin Herbert. He's my
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  Speaker 3: favorite captain.
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  Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers, I literally have zero interest in there for
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  Speaker 4: a variety of reasons. One he does spread it around
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  Speaker 4: too much, be his weapons aren't that great. Like he's
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  Speaker 4: got three tight ends that he throws two, he's got
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  Speaker 4: DK mettcalf that's fine. Then he's got two others, three
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  Speaker 4: of the receivers that nobody's ever heard of. I'm not
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  Speaker 4: playing this Calvin Austin guy, the the kid from Michigan.
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  Speaker 4: I'm drawing a blank on his name right now. He
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  Speaker 4: fumbled the other day. So no thank you to Rogers
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  Speaker 4: or anybody in the captain spot, not even Jalen Warren.
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  Speaker 3: Don't love that, but I do love lad. I do
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  Speaker 3: love Keenan. Keenan at home is a thing.
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  Speaker 4: I think like when you get Keenan at home for
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  Speaker 4: whatever reason, he just plays a whole lot better. And
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  Speaker 4: then lastly would be Gadsden, We saw what happened with
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  Speaker 4: your boy.
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  Speaker 3: Get well soon. Tucker Kraft two Sunday Nights ago.
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  Speaker 4: Uh just absolutely obliterated this past uh this uh this
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  Speaker 4: this secondary for the Steelers.
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  Speaker 3: So it's the pass catchers for uh for the Chargers.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 4: And it's Herbert. And then lastly, sorry, I'll pass it
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  Speaker 4: back to you. It's a uh no, no, Quentin Johnston,
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  Speaker 4: I just not at quincton Quinton Johnson.
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  Speaker 3: Guy, so he's the only pass catcher I'm out on.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I like a bit of what you said
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  Speaker 2: there for sure. I'll kind of just hit on how
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  Speaker 2: I think this game is gonna go. I think this
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  Speaker 2: game plays to the under here, and a couple of
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  Speaker 2: reasons why, Right, Steelers are a good franchise, They're very
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  Speaker 2: well coached, right, and how I think the Steelers game
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  Speaker 2: plan this game is a run Henry run centric approach right,
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  Speaker 2: going into the Chargers as underdogs here, how do they
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  Speaker 2: kind of slow down this offense of the Chargers who
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  Speaker 2: like to pass the ball and air it out. Well,
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  Speaker 2: they keep the keep Herbert and the offense off the
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  Speaker 2: off the off the field, right, lean on the run game,
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  Speaker 2: and they lean on their defense, which overall, yeah, they're
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  Speaker 2: not a great defense. I think they're overrated personally myself,
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  Speaker 2: just because they're aging and they're slower. But if there
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  Speaker 2: was a scenario, right, we've seen games where Herbert just
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  Speaker 2: look kind of lost out there. Right obviously ends up
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  Speaker 2: typically getting there at the end. But I think this
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  Speaker 2: game is gonna play to the under So when I'm
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  Speaker 2: building teams, I'm going to kind of lean into that
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  Speaker 2: more so for me in the captain position, Herbert Clearcut
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  Speaker 2: obviously the quote unquote best option up there. The interesting
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  Speaker 2: thing and the way to get different with Herbert teams
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  Speaker 2: is there's so many pass catchers to kind of pair
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  Speaker 2: him and stack him with. I think you can still
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  Speaker 2: get unique. Especially in the flax. It would definitely be
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  Speaker 2: a stack at least two wide receiver tight ends with
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  Speaker 2: justin Herbs Herbert for me, obviously personally, we're going to
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  Speaker 2: talk about Gatson when we get to the flax, and
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  Speaker 2: even here in the captain position. Obviously, the emergence of
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  Speaker 2: him and the probably one of the best matchups in
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  Speaker 2: all of football is tight end against the Steelers here,
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  Speaker 2: and Gatson since he's taken over, has looked like a beast.
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  Speaker 2: So I think there is ways to play Herbert diffinitely
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  Speaker 2: right when you do look at captain Herbert Teams, I'm
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  Speaker 2: not playing name Rogers captain.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just not doing it personally myself.
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  Speaker 2: My two main captain interests here from the Pittsburgh side
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  Speaker 2: of things would be Jalen Warren. Because of that, again,
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  Speaker 2: I think they're gonna lean on the run as much
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  Speaker 2: as they can here.
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  Speaker 1: It's not the best matchup in the world, but.
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  Speaker 2: Again I think they he's so involved in an offense here,
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  Speaker 2: he's involved in the past game. It's kind of basically
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  Speaker 2: league average in terms of matchups here, which which I
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  Speaker 2: don't hate. We have seen some running backs have good success.
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  Speaker 2: A guy like Devon h Chan had a pretty good
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  Speaker 2: game against the Chargers back in Week six, and I
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  Speaker 2: could see a game like a Chan posted against this
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  Speaker 2: UH team here. For Jalen Warren, obviously he's not as
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  Speaker 2: explosive as a guy like Devon han Is here, but
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  Speaker 2: I do think Jalen Warren is overall my favorite captain
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  Speaker 2: from the Pittsburgh side that's not gonna be sneaky by
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  Speaker 2: any means. And then the other guy would be DK Metcalf.
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  Speaker 2: I'm seeing right now early take five percent captain ownership
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  Speaker 2: on Dk Metcalf. With the ceiling that he has, and
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  Speaker 2: not only that, I mean just the target share he has,
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  Speaker 2: the air yards he has within this offense, it is
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  Speaker 2: not the best matchup, But overall, where do you target
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  Speaker 2: the Chargers defense. It's on the outside. That's where Dk
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  Speaker 2: Metcalf's going to be. Eighty one percent of his routes
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  Speaker 2: come from the outside. That's where you target this Pittsburgh defense.
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  Speaker 2: If there was a spot, I think DK Metcalf could
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  Speaker 2: have a big game, and I really really like him
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  Speaker 2: as a super low owned captain jumping over to the
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  Speaker 2: Chargers pass catcher side.
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  Speaker 1: Gadson's probably my overall favorite captain play from the Chargers
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  Speaker 1: just at the ten to five not gonna be sneaky.
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  Speaker 1: He's gonna be probably ten to fifteen. And if there
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  Speaker 1: was one to get steamed, it would definitely be Gadson.
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  Speaker 1: I want to talk about Keenan Allen in Quinton Johnson.
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  Speaker 2: I definitely like Keenan Allen a lot more than Quentin
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  Speaker 2: Johnson here, just the way the Steelers play defense and
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  Speaker 2: how you can attack this team. Keenan Allen's role in
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  Speaker 2: this offense as well. We've seen Quentin Johnson since the
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  Speaker 2: start of the season, right when he kind of started
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  Speaker 2: out red hot, trying it basically declining. I still think
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  Speaker 2: there's upside there and a spot to take a shot on.
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  Speaker 2: It would be here in a single game showdown where
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  Speaker 2: Keenan Allen's gonna be higher owned, Gadson's gonna be higher owned,
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  Speaker 2: Ladd McConkie's gonna be higher owned. Quentin Johnson is that
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  Speaker 2: guy that is getting left in the dust, and he
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  Speaker 2: has sandwich between his two pass catchers Keenan Allen and
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  Speaker 2: Gatson on the same team, who are going to be
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  Speaker 2: probably two to three x the ownership of the Quentin Johnson.
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  Speaker 2: So that is the case I will make for him.
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  Speaker 2: So for me, it's Herbert, it's Lad McConkie, Jalen Warren,
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  Speaker 2: Allen Johnson, Gadson Are Metcalf are kind of the guys
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  Speaker 2: I'm out on the running backs on the charger side,
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  Speaker 2: not gonna mess with that, and then out.
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  Speaker 1: On Rodgers as well.
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  Speaker 2: So fairly spread out captain pool for me, just the
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  Speaker 2: way this game slight shakes up My favorite captains in general,
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  Speaker 2: DK Metcalf at ownership and then Gadson, Keenan Allen, Jalen Warren.
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  Speaker 2: Those are kind of the main four that I'm looking
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  Speaker 2: at the most. Obviously, justin Herbert being everybody's favorite. I
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  Speaker 2: think he's good as well, but I'm just looking at
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  Speaker 2: other guys to kind of get off there. Any closing
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  Speaker 2: remarks from the captain position from you hear him.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think so.
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  Speaker 4: I think you made some excellent points on how the
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  Speaker 4: how the stigglers win this game. It's smash mouth, it's
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  Speaker 4: grinded out. So yeah, Warren would be my favorite one there.
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  Speaker 4: That's a that's a great call by you.
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate that. Now let's jump over here to the flex. Obviously,
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  Speaker 2: more of the same goes on. We'll jump in. We'll
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  Speaker 2: talk quarterbacks first, any uh any kind of takes here
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  Speaker 2: with with the quarterback position you want to you want
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  Speaker 2: to bring up from the flax. Obviously we talked about captain,
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  Speaker 2: not wanting having not really having interest in Aaron Rodgers
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  Speaker 2: at the captain position here, but talk about him in
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  Speaker 2: the flax at nine to six.
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  Speaker 1: It is a pretty good price point in general for him.
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  Speaker 2: Anytime you see these quarterbacks sub ten k, especially in
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  Speaker 2: the flax, it does, uh does does make for a
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  Speaker 2: nice talking point. But two hundred dollars more than Lad
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  Speaker 2: McConkey projected for less that you're gonna see his ownership
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  Speaker 2: definitely as a quarterback in the flex be uh be
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  Speaker 2: pretty low overall in general?
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  Speaker 1: What do you what do you see here?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I mean I think I'm playing Herbert
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  Speaker 4: you know, captain and and flex and probably eighty plus
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  Speaker 4: percent of my team.
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  Speaker 3: So I love Herbert and then Rogers.
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  Speaker 4: The thing with Rogers is that you have to play
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  Speaker 4: him with two pass catchers. He just doesn't give you
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  Speaker 4: anything from the ground game.
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  Speaker 3: You know, there's been a.
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  Speaker 4: Couple of games right where I think back to that
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  Speaker 4: Cincinnati Thursday night game maybe where you know, Frier move
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  Speaker 4: cut up and Rogers had three or four touchdowns. But man,
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  Speaker 4: he just dinks and dunks so much, and you got
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  Speaker 4: to get the right.
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  Speaker 3: To pass catchers.
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  Speaker 4: To me, it's it's it's perceived with Caulshin on Rogers.
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  Speaker 4: I'm just I'm just not not a fan of them tonight.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I think that I'm with you there.
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  Speaker 2: I think where I'm gonna play Rogers is with Jalen
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  Speaker 2: Warren or DK Metcalf captain right, because obviously Jalen Warren
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  Speaker 2: does have a reception floor two and is involved in
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  Speaker 2: the past game where those guys kind of.
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  Speaker 1: Just bring Rogers along.
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  Speaker 2: Or if I'm playing Rogers in the flex, I want
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  Speaker 2: a lease two pass catchers. Maybe it's one of these
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  Speaker 2: che cheaper guys right that we're going to talk about
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  Speaker 2: some of these tight ends, or Kelvin Austin right, or
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  Speaker 2: Roman Wilson one of these guys. I want at least
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  Speaker 2: two of those guys in the flex, so it would
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  Speaker 2: be more like a three to three build right where
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  Speaker 2: you see like a lad McConkie right volume guy up
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  Speaker 2: top Herbert in the flex, Rogers two of those guys
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  Speaker 2: and then whatever else fits type of thing probably gonna
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  Speaker 2: solely a top attach Rogers to Steeler captain or two
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  Speaker 2: plus pass catchers in the flex, which seems a little strange,
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  Speaker 2: but you could see a game environment where it's like
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  Speaker 2: a three to three type build that is optimal here
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  Speaker 2: tonight with a with a Charger or a.
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  Speaker 1: Chargers captain right where it's more condensed there.
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  Speaker 2: And Rogers just has kind of a two cheaper guys
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  Speaker 2: or like a Calvin Austin type where he just gives
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  Speaker 2: you that floor performance of fifteen to eighteen points something
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  Speaker 2: like that right where none of them really kind of
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  Speaker 2: get all the way over the top to be the
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  Speaker 2: optimal there. So really attaching Rodgers to two plus pass
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  Speaker 2: catchers in the flax or a Steelers captain outside of
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  Speaker 2: that not going to play Rogers. Let's jump in and
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  Speaker 2: talk this running back position here. Interesting Vadal right, his
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  Speaker 2: rush share has definitely declined since they lost Omari and Hampton.
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  Speaker 2: Vidal came in right away was crushing his kind of
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  Speaker 2: rush share in general has ticked down over the last
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  Speaker 2: couple of weeks.
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  Speaker 1: It is a pretty tough matchup.
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  Speaker 2: Steelers are really good against the run in general, seventh
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  Speaker 2: on the season against opposing running backs here.
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  Speaker 1: I hate the running backs personally myself.
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  Speaker 2: From the Chargers side of it, they are the second
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  Speaker 2: lea league pass happy offense in the NFL behind Kansas
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  Speaker 2: City is the Chargers. They just don't like them. Jared
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  Speaker 2: Patterson twenty eight hundred fairly value. If I had to
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  Speaker 2: choose between one of them, it would be Patterson and
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  Speaker 2: just hope that hey, he gets in and there in
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  Speaker 2: the goal line, right where he's been seeing carries and
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  Speaker 2: scores a touchdown.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe scores two touchdowns.
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  Speaker 2: But if he scores a touchdown and picks up like
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  Speaker 2: thirty rushing yards, that could be enough at twenty eight hundred,
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  Speaker 2: depending on what the rest of the slate does. But
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  Speaker 2: at vital at eighty eight hundred feels like a pretty
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  Speaker 2: tough click to me. Jalen Warren by far and away
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  Speaker 2: my favorite overall running back on the slate. It's gonna
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  Speaker 2: be definitely under on the Charger side. And hey, vet
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  Speaker 2: All comes at thirty plus percent on in the flex
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  Speaker 2: here and whatever he comes in at captain.
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  Speaker 1: That's a nice way to leverage a field in my opinion.
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  Speaker 1: What do you see here?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with the om Vidal.
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  Speaker 4: He burned a lot of people last week and in
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  Speaker 4: the main slate versus a bad defense and the Titans,
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  Speaker 4: and uh, let's just be honest this this Chargers offensive line,
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  Speaker 4: it's been tattered all season. Joe Alt went out for
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  Speaker 4: a season ending injury.
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  Speaker 3: I believe last week. They just they're just not opening
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  Speaker 3: up running, running, running lanes for this guy.
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  Speaker 4: So and then I'm not going to play any of
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  Speaker 4: these other secondary running backs for the Chargers.
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  Speaker 3: Now, you got me on some war and I like that. Uh,
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  Speaker 3: and then even four thousand, four thousand.
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  Speaker 4: And four Kenneth Gainwell, I don't think it's the worst
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  Speaker 4: thing where if you built a script around Hey, they
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  Speaker 4: get down and Rogers is dinking and Duncan to Warren
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  Speaker 4: and and or Gainwell, I don't hate that as like
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  Speaker 4: a last man in kind of thing. But it's more
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  Speaker 4: pass catchers for me on both sides. Definitely, no running
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  Speaker 4: backs from the chargers, and then I do like Warren
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  Speaker 4: and Gainwell just a little bit, but don't not going
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  Speaker 4: to prioritize him.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't hate that with with Gainwell there, it's
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: just a tough click at four K. For me, I'd
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: rather take a shout at a guy like Jared Patterson,
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: like I said, who has shown a thirty three percent
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: rush share in this offense the last two weeks here,
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: and they have shown to trust him in kind of
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: shortened distance scenarios there, so you could see if you
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: got to bust one of those or something like that,
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: you could see that. So for me, it's it's Warren
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: and probably Patterson, which is gross as that seems. Just
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: with the pricing, I'm gonna be definitely way under Probably
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: I'm close to a to a fade position on feed
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: all myself. Game well is fine, I guess if you
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: want whatever. It kind of sprinkles in there, but not
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: a not a spot where I'm kind of going out
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: of my way to get into. I just see, it's
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: just hard for me to kind of target Vidal in
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: the range over.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: These these pass catchers.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: I mean, oh, you got to target him over guys
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: like Ladd dk keenan All and even Quentin Johnston. Right
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: when you know the Chargers want to pass the ball, right,
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: it's a close spread here, they're three point home favorites.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: It's already tough to run on the Steelers. How do
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: you beat them? You beat them with passing overall. So
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: that's kind of the reason why I'm leaning more into
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: the passing game here for the Chargers. Not gonna be
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: contrally by any means, but again, people are still going
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: to click that feed all name as running back one
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: with with that projection.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: Here, let's jump over to the wide receiver position.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: Obviously got Lad McConkey all the way up to the
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: top and the thing I want to bring out, but
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: Lad is he started the year slow. Since the emergings
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: of Gatson, Ladd mcconkeye has been really, really good in
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: this offense. Going back to that kind of wide receiver
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: one role that we saw last year right where Hoop
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: was calling him mcdonkey the chunk, right, right, Lad Ladd mcdonkey,
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: and uh, he just continued to smash every single week regardless,
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: kind of like a hookah nakoua light esque right in
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: this offense, hasn't been the same this year. Ninety four
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: hundred is a price point, pretty pretty high price point
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: to pay, hard to h hard to get away from.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: Really any of these pass catchers. I'll like all three of.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: Them a lot.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: From the charger side of the thing, what do you
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: what do you see here in terms of wide receivers
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: on both sides here, Yeah, I.
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: Love the chargers wide receivers have Lad one, Keenan two,
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: quintin distant third, and then on the on the flip side,
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: DK is fine. Yeah, I mean, can DK, you know,
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: take a little slant or a go eighty yards to
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: the house. Absolutely, So DK would be by far and
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: away my favorite Steeler. And then Roman Wilson was that
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: guy's name I was trying to think of. They've started
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: institute of him a little bit more after they're bye,
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: and then Calvin, Austin and Roman are kind of like, yeah,
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: they're probably you know, they're definitely behind DK, They're definitely
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: behind the top two chargers guys.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: They're probably behind Quinton. So I'm lower on.
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: Those guys, and it's really the big boys, DK, Keenan and.
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: Lad for me.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just it's for me.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: On the on the Steelers side, it's Roman Wilson's DK metcalf.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: I just have a hard time seeing Calvin Austin really
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: get explosive place. The Chargers have been one of the
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: better teams in the league limiting explosive plays from the
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: wide receiver position. Here Kelvin Austin really has is kind
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: of the go ball guy, right. I like DK Metcalf,
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: a Ton, Roman Wilson at the price that price point
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: there for Calvin Austin is pretty tough for me to
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: click personally at sixty two hundred, don't love it.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: Not really going to get too much Trey Harris or anything.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: So for me, it's it's.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: Lad number one, Quinn keenan Allen number two with you,
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: DK metcalf three, Roman Wilson four, and then Quinton Johnson
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: would be five. For me, I prefer Quentin Johnson more
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: at the captain position than I do with the flex
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: because Quentin Johnson seems like he's going to get that
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: go ball or he's going to get the two to
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: three touchdowns, right because they do like this guy a
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: Ton in the red zone so far this year. So
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: if he feels like he's getting there, I feel like
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: he's gonna get all the way there. I'd rather play
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: him up top than in the flex at seventy six hundred,
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: where you're only getting a four hundred dollars discount off
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: of a guy like Keenan Allen who can catch.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: Eight balls for ninety yards and maybe score touchdown.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: Something like that has a much much better floor in
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: my opinion, for the ten percent or so ownership difference
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: that you're going to get there. So those are kind
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: of the guys I'm looking at there. From the wide
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: ride receiver position here, let's jump over talk tight ends.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: Then we'll talk kickers and defenses here before we get
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: out of here. Position three headed monster here. From the
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: Steelers side of it, I did find an interesting note
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: here on the formation for the D line right three
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: four versus a four to three. When the defense is
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: running it, they really like to run Darnell Washington against
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: four to three. Chargers run three four. So I like
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: Friarmouth and Joe new Smith. If picking one of those
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: more than Darnell Washington, I'm gonna be fully out on
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: Darnell Washington here. Obviously you could slip past all these
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: guys our price right there. Three thirty two thirty four hundred.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: For me, it's Joe new Smith as my favorite guy overall.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: But I don't love any of these guys. Uh. Pretty
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: brutal matchup in general for tight ends against the Chargers here.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: Much prefer targeting them outside versus over the middle. That's
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: where DK Metcalf comes into play. I like those guys
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: outride Roman Wilson down down the sidelines.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: What do you see here from the ted end position.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: Definitely talk about Gatson, who seems like one of the
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: best overall plays on the entire slate, not match up
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: here against the Steelers.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you said, I mean Gadsden's been Uh.
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: I mean, obviously you don't need me to tell you
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: that he's been playing just out of his mind.
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: Over the last i'd say three to four weeks.
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: Uh, he's playing right around eighty percent of the snaps
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: weekend week out. My boy, Will Disley no longer thing,
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: t Conk no longer thing. They bring in Tucker Fisk
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: a little bit, but he's one I'd say, I shouldn't
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: say one hundred, about ninety nine percent.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: He's gonna be blocking half the time.
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: Uh So, Yeah, Gadsden in a smash spot against a
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: team that cannot guard the tight end.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: I talked to her early about Tucker Craft.
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: Uh, just just obliterating this team a couple of weeks ago,
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: so he's certainly employee. You know, we talked a little
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: bit about even a Rondez in the captain spots, So
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: I don't think that's the worst thing lower sal where
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: you can jam in some of those some of those
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: big boys up top, and then yeah it's you know,
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: it's hit or miss, you know, the sip.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: I think I think we lost him.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Ham's on the go here in the old uh in
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: the old hotel room. He's going to the the Vikings
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: game here, so uh hashtag how rich for Ham there?
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: But maybe that that old Hilton property there needs to
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: pay their internet bill. But yeah, I think where he
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: was going was pretty pretty similar to what I mentioned.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: I don't like this the Steelers tight ends much much
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: preferred General Smith, just because I think he's the best
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: of the three headed monster there, at least after the
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: catch type upside where really you're gonna need to get
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: there after the catch in this kind of match up
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: here overall, so jumping into kickers and defenses here, well
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: we wait to see if Ham can can can get
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: back here. Cameron Dicker, really good option, Chris Boswell, really
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: good option, is.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: Well in it in general? Here one second, let me
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: jump over and.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: Do this all right, bet h Camera Dicker like camera
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: Dicker a ton home home favorite kicker.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: Always really good. Dicker's really good. Bos was really good.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: I like both the kickers a ton much prefer the
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: kickers over a guy like Kelvin Austin in that range.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: So I'm in on both the kickers here. And then
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: the defenses.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: I don't love either defense here in the spot personally,
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: I think you do see some ownership leap flocked more
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: to these defenses, just the way the last two showdowns
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: have gone, the Monday night Showdown and the Thursday night Showdown.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: And I got Ham is back here with me, good good,
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: good news. He went to the front desk, got that
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: Hilton Internet bill paid, and uh we're back here, haim
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: any Uh.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: Go ahead and finish her tight end tight end take here.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know where he lost me.
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: I started gassing up, started gassing up a ron day
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: and then the next thing I know, they cut me off.
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: Uh but yeah, just real.
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: Quick no Steelers, No Steelers tight ends.
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: Uh, just strictly Arondez for me.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're we're we're in line the only two tight ends.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: I really like our Gatson and Jonie Smith.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: Here. The reason I like Jona who was just after
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: the catch.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: I think he's a big body, he's good, I think
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: he's athletic, and I think he's over all good football player.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: So I'll take a shot at thirty two hundred there
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: at at some John Smith. Let's jump over to kickers
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: and defense, and I was talking about how much I
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: like both of these kickers here, Dicker and Boswell, two
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: of the better kickers in the league.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: We've seen ceiling games from Boswell before.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: We know Dickers got I mean a massive leg right,
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: no pun intended there, But what's what's your take here
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: from the two kickers and then the defenses here?
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, uh, Dick or the kicker a Sunday Night football
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: legend man, like you know he's gonna be on the winner,
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: just fifty four hundred, great prize.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: Boswell talked about that Packers game two weeks ago. I
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: think he had two or three fifty yarders.
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: He was on the winner, So you know they can
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: both do it and then and so yeah, so I'm
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: in on the both kickers and then uh, Chargers defense
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: not so much.
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: I don't.
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: I don't really love them, but I will say this
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: about this Steelers defense like this, I don't hate the
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: Steelers defense.
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: Even with you know, Herbert and the captain.
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: They they have JJ Watt, they have some other dudes
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: that can rush the passer. And I talked about it earlier.
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: How beat up this Chargers offensive line is. I mean
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: the dagum Titans, for crying out loud, how they picked
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: six They had a bunch of sacks last week.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: I think they sacked Herbert six times last week.
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: And we're talking about No, they didn't have Simmons on
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: their in their lineup.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: So, man, this.
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: Need's this Steelers team. I think what do they projected ownership?
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: We may not have it up yet, but I think
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: they're super sneaky even with Herbert teams, because they got
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: some dudes that can rush the passer, stripsack, strip, sack
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: and score.
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: So I actually love the Steelers defense today.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're gonna be probably fifteen or so, fifteen or
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: twenty percent. I will say I do think defense ownership
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: gets inflated a little bit here. Not not a ton
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: of group thing going on, but the last two shotdown
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: games that everyone remembers Monday Night Thursday Night, defenses were
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: optim on both of them. Actually, both defenses were optimal
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: I think in both games in general there, so you
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: could see that more definitely prefer the Steelers defense. And
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: I really like the idea of putting Steelers defense with
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: a guy like Jalen Warren in the captain position goes
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: to my realm of this game goes under here and
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: in a spot like that, you could do like a
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: Jalen Warren Steelers defense in Boswell and then skill positions
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: from the charger side, right, because we talked about being
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: under on a guy like Aaron Rodgers, So I think
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: the idea of doing something like that is a pretty interesting.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: Roster construction way to go feels pretty gross, right to
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: not include your quarterback of the captain.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: People have a hard time doing that.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: But in a script where it makes sense, like a
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: Jalen Warren captain, where you throw that Steelers defense in there,
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: and you could throw Boswell in there, or obviously you
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: could throw someone else in there.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: But I like that.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: I'll be over on both the kickers here, Boswell, Dicker,
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: and then Steelers. No Chargers defense for me, but you
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: do the old the old game log watch here for.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: The defenses and kickers.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, you look at the Steelers defense sixteen ten, ten, eighteen,
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: they have four games above ten points, Steelers only have
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: two or the Chargers only have two.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: And then you go over the kickers. Both of these kickers,
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: I mean nine, eight, twelve, seventeen, fifteen eleven for Dicker,
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: you got fourteen twelve, fifteen, twenty.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: Ten for Boswell. I like those three a ton here.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: Not much interested myself in the Chargers side of it.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: Seems like we're pretty aligned there. Ham takes us to
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: the end of the show here, any closing remarks for
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: the people, and he plays of the day. Any any
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: roster constructions, any final final closing marks here?
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Nothing yet. I like Keenan Allen.
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: I think he's my he's my kind of my not
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: my sneaky, but he's my maybe favorite captain tonight.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: I just love him at home.
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: Keenan ahem's a thing And uh yeah.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: All right, Keenan Allen, it is he mentioned it there
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: for you. I'm gonna go dk Metcalf. I just think
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: DK Metcalf is getting criminally underutilized up in the captain
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: position here, at least from early runs that could steam.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: But I mean, there's just so many other guys at
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: the captain position that people want to play at. Herbert
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: Jalen Warre and McConkie Gatson, keenan Allen v'd all right,
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: Rogers all projected right now. As it stands to be
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: more owned than a guy like DK Metcalf at twelve six,
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: this price point is criminal. Calvin Austin coming back does
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: help the case for DK Metcalf, just being able to
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: have that's that guy to stretch the field there and
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: at least take some of the safety threat away over
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: the top from a guy like DK Metcalf. Give me,
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: give me big boy, grown man shit. DK Metcalf as
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: my play of the day here, that's gonna do it.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: Glad Ham was able to meet with Susie at the
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: front desk of the Hilton. Get that Internet turned back
• 29:59
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