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Episode 3, Season 2: Sex & Intimacy Series: Spiritual Intimacy: The Missing Link in Modern Romance · The Dr. Sarah Hensley Show

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Love Dog Podcast.
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  Speaker 2: I'm your co host Rena Butcher here with our host,
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  Speaker 2: doctor Sarah Hensley, the owner, founder and CEO of the
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  Speaker 1: That's all I wanted yesterday.
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  Speaker 4: It's bad, and you know, I'm trying so hard, just
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  Speaker 4: it with other stuff too, and for a long time
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  Speaker 4: I was off of it, but we all like years
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  Speaker 4: I was off of it. Yeah, then I married. My husband.
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  Speaker 1: Does he love dick?
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  Speaker 1: There's something about the burn I know that goes down.
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  Speaker 4: and graduate school, like saying it, studying, I would drink
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  Speaker 2: I had a roommate that was addicted to diet coke too,
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  Speaker 2: and so I am. In college, I was definitely.
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  Speaker 1: Addicted to diet coke.
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  Speaker 2: But every once in a while, I don't know, it's
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  Speaker 2: just like this comfort thing I just want, specifically a
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  Speaker 2: fountain like the can doesn't do it for me.
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  Speaker 4: You see, I'm a can. I'm a cold can girly.
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  Speaker 4: I don't really like ice as much. I mean, I
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  Speaker 4: will do a fountain. My husband loves fountain drinks, but
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  Speaker 2: But anyway, so we love arm Room, We love Die Cocon.
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  Speaker 2: That's not what this episode is about. This episode we
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  Speaker 2: are still in our a sexit intimacy series. This is
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  Speaker 2: episode three of season two, which is spiritual intimacy, the
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  Speaker 2: missing link in modern romance.
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  Speaker 4: A lot of people say, don't talk about God on
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  Speaker 4: your podcast. We don't want to hear about God. Well,
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  Speaker 4: then guess what this podcast is not for you because
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  Speaker 4: sometimes we are going to talk about God because God
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  Speaker 4: changed my life. It's my dang platform, and I'm going
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  Speaker 4: to talk about God when I want to talk about God,
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  Speaker 4: because I will never deny my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, never.
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  Speaker 2: And so maybe this is an episode that if that's
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  Speaker 2: not for you, you can just skip it.
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  Speaker 3: Just skip it, no harm, no foul.
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  Speaker 2: Or maybe if you feel uncomfortable at the thought of
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  Speaker 2: this episode, maybe that's even more reason.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe God's like going, Hey, maybe you think things
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  Speaker 4: about me that are not true. Maybe your view of
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  Speaker 4: me and my character are not true because flawed humans
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  Speaker 4: who are influenced by the enemy have in some way,
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  Speaker 4: shape or form or made you feel uncomfortable.
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  Speaker 3: That is not God.
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  Speaker 4: God is love, only love, all love, all the time.
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  Speaker 4: There's nothing else that is made up of God.
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  Speaker 3: Like God is love and he'll change.
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  Speaker 2: Like I get goosebumps when I think about it and
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  Speaker 2: talk about it because.
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  Speaker 1: The profound ways that he can change your life.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, like you just if you.
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  Speaker 1: Just give him, if you just let him in.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, because I don't like religion. I am not religious
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  Speaker 4: at all. I am a follower of Christ and Christ
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  Speaker 4: set three rules, Love God, love your neighbor as yourself,
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  Speaker 4: which yes, implies you need to love yourself.
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  Speaker 3: So how is that bad?
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  Speaker 4: Right?
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, right, And I mean, speaking specifically on
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  Speaker 2: this episode, I really.
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  Speaker 1: Do think that. And I don't have a ton of
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  Speaker 1: experience on.
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  Speaker 2: This because obviously you know, Josh and I have been
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  Speaker 2: together on five years now, But the dating scene, specifically
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  Speaker 2: when you're trying to look for a partner, I think
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  Speaker 2: that there's a big missing link. Let's not again taking
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  Speaker 2: religion out of it, but like with just like the
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  Speaker 2: spiritual warfare that people are in and trying to navigate
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  Speaker 2: the dating world, Like it just has to be so
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  Speaker 2: difficult to be someone who maybe is in the dating
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  Speaker 2: scene and is a follower of Christ and like trying
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  Speaker 2: to navigate that. I just I don't envy anyone, right situation.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, Donald and I started dating about four
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  Speaker 4: years ago, and it was such a match because we
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  Speaker 4: were so equally yoked spiritually, because we both kind of
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  Speaker 4: came from that deliverance place of like, okay, we take
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  Speaker 4: Ephesian six twelve seriously, like this is not a battle
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  Speaker 4: in this life against flesh and blood. It is a
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  Speaker 4: against good and evil, right, and that we want to
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  Speaker 4: be on the side of good and evil looks like
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  Speaker 4: a lot of things that people deal with every single
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  Speaker 4: day that they don't even realize is demonic and it
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  Speaker 4: is coming from the enemy. And it is the wish
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  Speaker 4: and will of the enemy to put those thoughts in
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  Speaker 4: your head and to carry out his evil wishes like bitterness,
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  Speaker 4: like rejection. I mean, rejection is idolatry. It's the severing
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  Speaker 4: of the first commandment. It's putting someone else on a
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  Speaker 4: pedestal above God, right, because God never rejects us, and
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  Speaker 4: so it is not loving to God to participate in rejection.
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  Speaker 4: You know, jealousy, envy, accusation against others. There are so
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  Speaker 4: many ways in which we can fall victim to the
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  Speaker 4: enemy's desires for us to carry out all of the
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  Speaker 4: bad in the world. And you know, God is the
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  Speaker 4: fruit of the spirit love, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, faithfulness,
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  Speaker 4: self control.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and when you have those things inside your your
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  Speaker 2: romantic relationship or any relationship really, I mean, it just
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  Speaker 2: kind of catapults you to this place of higher success.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, I think putting God first in your
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  Speaker 2: relationship is really the ultimate way to have a lifelong,
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  Speaker 2: loving marriage and relationship.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely in my opinion, right in my opinion, because love
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  Speaker 4: conquers all things. That's biblical. True love casts out fear.
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  Speaker 4: That's biblical. And I think so much of what I
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  Speaker 4: see in my practice in terms of relational trauma, relational struggles,
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  Speaker 4: the root is spiritual.
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  Speaker 3: Do I have you know?
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  Speaker 4: And what's interesting is that psychology and Christianity almost completely align.
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  Speaker 4: Like whatever psychologists claim that they said. First, I actually
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  Speaker 4: kind of in the Bible most of it right, in
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  Speaker 4: terms of stabilization of our mental health and our well
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  Speaker 4: being spiritually, all of that can be found in pretty
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  Speaker 4: much Proverbs, right, It can all be found there.
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  Speaker 3: And when we.
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  Speaker 4: Live our life according to the fruit of the spirit
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  Speaker 4: and what God sees love, as we experience the full
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  Speaker 4: extent of love, we really do. And so many clients
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  Speaker 4: in my practice are struggling with that peace, And of
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  Speaker 4: course I don't bring it to them.
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  Speaker 3: If they don't want it.
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  Speaker 4: We can stick with the psychology if that's what they're
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  Speaker 4: comfortable with. But if they were able to put God first,
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  Speaker 4: and not only in their own relationship with the Lord,
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  Speaker 4: but the marriage relationship and placing that in God's hands
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  Speaker 4: and placing God at the center of that. There's actually
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  Speaker 4: a study that shows that the divorce rate of couples
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  Speaker 4: that pray together every day is less than seven percent,
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  Speaker 4: when we have a national divorce rate that is approaching sixty.
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  Speaker 3: So think about that. Can't be a coincidence.
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  Speaker 4: And I don't think it comes from people thinking, well,
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  Speaker 4: once I'm married, like you know, God says I can't
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  Speaker 4: get divorced.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think it's that.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that when you're praying with each other
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  Speaker 4: and you're praying for each other, God hears that and
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  Speaker 4: he blesses that, and he provides that protection and that
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  Speaker 4: covering over your marriage because you're asking him to. We
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  Speaker 4: have to remember that we have free will, and we
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  Speaker 4: can ask God for things, very specific, very specific things,
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  Speaker 4: and you know, it might not always look like we
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  Speaker 4: think it should look, but God does answer prayers and
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  Speaker 4: he does provide protection. He can't protect us from our
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  Speaker 4: own free will and the free will of other people
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  Speaker 4: because He granted that to us without limitation. And sometimes
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  Speaker 4: we'll engage in our own free will to align with
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  Speaker 4: the enemy, and a lot of people do this in
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  Speaker 4: their marriage.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I want to be clear for our listeners,
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  Speaker 2: Like there's a difference, right, there's a difference between emotional
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  Speaker 2: intimacy and spiritual intimacy. And so I think like for
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  Speaker 2: our listeners, just to line it out and make it
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  Speaker 2: really clear, Like again, in your opinion, what does spiritual
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  Speaker 2: intimacy look like?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you.
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  Speaker 2: Said a little bit about it, right, It's couples that
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  Speaker 2: pray together day, It's couples that you know, like, this
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  Speaker 2: isn't about sex per se, this is the same. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: this is about connecting spiritually and allowing God to be
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  Speaker 2: the force in your relationship.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I think that you know, emotional intimacy is definitely
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  Speaker 4: a gateway for spiritual intimacy because you can't be spiritually
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  Speaker 4: connected without being emotionally connected. And I think it's emotional
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  Speaker 4: connection through things like patience and humility and you know,
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  Speaker 4: repentance towards each other, right, which is what we talk
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  Speaker 4: about in terms of repair in our relationships.
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  Speaker 3: We have to have accountability.
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  Speaker 4: You can't really be accountable if you're not humble enough
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  Speaker 4: to admit that you've done something wrong or that you've
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  Speaker 4: hurt your partner in a way. Even that you might
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  Speaker 4: not understand, right. And God is pushing us to have
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  Speaker 4: forgiveness instead of resentment. He's pushing us towards being humble
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  Speaker 4: and having humility. He's pushing us towards being patient, He's
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  Speaker 4: pushing us towards being honest with one another. In honesty
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  Speaker 4: really comes through true, deep vulnerability, and so emotional intimacy
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  Speaker 4: kind of bridges the gap and is the gateway towards
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  Speaker 4: spiritual intimacy, which, in my opinion, spiritual intimacy is when
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  Speaker 4: two spirits really align in love, with God at the
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  Speaker 4: center of that, with faith in Christ, in my opinion,
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  Speaker 4: at the center of that. And so it's trying your
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  Speaker 4: best to love in a christ like way, in the
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  Speaker 4: way that Christ loved us.
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  Speaker 2: And why do you think it's missing so much in
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  Speaker 2: modern romance specifically like in today's world. I mean, there's
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  Speaker 2: a plethora of.
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  Speaker 4: Things, oh gosh, so many things. First and foremost culture,
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  Speaker 4: and what is so hard and what so many of us,
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  Speaker 4: even myself having the platform that I do struggle with,
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  Speaker 4: is that what is supposed to be loving and socially
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  Speaker 4: acceptable in the world is not actually aligned with what
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  Speaker 4: God says is loving.
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  Speaker 1: Can you give an example.
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  Speaker 3: Oh gosh, okay, how do I do this without getting canceled?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, don't worry about I know we have to worry
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  Speaker 2: about and can get canceled.
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  Speaker 3: We don't want to get canceled, but I don't want
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  Speaker 3: to deny God either. Right.
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  Speaker 4: So accepting everything isn't necessarily loving.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 4: So there are things within people's lifestyles or choices that
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  Speaker 4: I don't think we have to accept tolerate. Yes, I
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  Speaker 4: do not believe in hatred of in any way, shape
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  Speaker 4: or form, and I do believe that part of love
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  Speaker 4: is willing to have tolerance and acceptance of everyone. But
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  Speaker 4: we don't have to have acceptance of that behavior in
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  Speaker 4: our own life, nor do we have to step up
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  Speaker 4: and like protest for it or say you know, no,
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  Speaker 4: everybody should be allowed to do whatever they want. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: I guess there anybody's allowed to do whatever they want.
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  Speaker 4: But does God see that as good? No? So there
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  Speaker 4: are things that I think are influencing our ability to
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  Speaker 4: have spiritual intimacy based upon what's happening in our culture.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 5: So you did a great job there, okay with specific
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  Speaker 5: And I also believe you know, a sin is a
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  Speaker 5: sin is a sin as a sin is a sin,
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  Speaker 5: and people are wrong for pointing out specific people with
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  Speaker 5: specific behaviors and being like, nope, you're wrong, right, right, No,
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  Speaker 5: this is about in all totality.
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  Speaker 1: We're all sinners here, Oh my gosh.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, So someone over here that's in bitterness is just is,
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  Speaker 4: you know, is sinning and we're not necessarily picking on them.
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  Speaker 4: And I think that that's where religiosity comes in when
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  Speaker 4: we have like quote rules, right.
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  Speaker 3: I think God's standards.
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  Speaker 4: Are love God, love your neighbor as yourself, but that
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  Speaker 4: does not mean that we have to stand up and
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  Speaker 4: accept or.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know what the right word is I'm looking
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  Speaker 3: for here. I guess promote is the word.
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  Speaker 4: I'm looking for every lifestyle under the sun, right, But
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  Speaker 4: also take the log out of your own eye. That's
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  Speaker 4: really important. I don't think God likes hypocrites, and I
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  Speaker 4: don't want to be one. So my place is not
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  Speaker 4: to judge someone's lifestyle. It's not to call someone out
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  Speaker 4: for their lifestyle, but it is to say, is your
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  Speaker 4: lifestyle honoring God? Nobody does completely unless you were Jesus Christ.
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  Speaker 4: But I think the point of it is to try
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  Speaker 4: to make your life as representative of what God sees
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  Speaker 4: as good as possible, and I have faltered and I
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  Speaker 4: still struggle.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 4: Psychologists call it your shadow traits, right, and I have
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  Speaker 4: some shadow traits. My shadow trait is the villain. I've
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  Speaker 4: talked about this, right, We've talked about this before. It's
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  Speaker 4: like the bitterness for people that have hurt me and
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  Speaker 4: wanting to seek revenge or wanting to one up. I
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  Speaker 4: think there's my shadow trait is pride, you know, like
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  Speaker 4: wanting to be like, no, you know, look how hard
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  Speaker 4: I've worked and I built myself up from nothing and
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  Speaker 4: I have this huge platform, and like if your life sucks,
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  Speaker 4: well you didn't.
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  Speaker 3: Work hard enough for you.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 4: That's my shadow side. But that's from the enemy, you know.
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  Speaker 3: And that's where.
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  Speaker 4: I don't want to necessarily accept those things about myself.
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  Speaker 4: I need to recognize them and that they're there. And
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  Speaker 4: I'm not going to apply shame to it, because Christ
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  Speaker 4: died to rid us of shame.
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  Speaker 3: But what I am going to do is I'm going
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  Speaker 3: to pray really hard about that.
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to see the enemies work in that and
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  Speaker 4: do everything I can to take spiritual authority over it
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  Speaker 4: and reject it when I catch it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, do I get stuck in it sometimes and in
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  Speaker 3: progress so hard.
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  Speaker 4: But in terms of our relationship in our marriage, we
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  Speaker 4: can get stuck in those things in our marriage, like
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  Speaker 4: being stubborn, being prideful, rejecting humility, rejecting intimacy, you know,
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  Speaker 4: through avoidance or disengagement, when that's not how God loves us.
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  Speaker 4: He never rejects us, He never leaves nor forsakes us.
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  Speaker 4: Now that's not to say that God and Jesus actually
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  Speaker 4: had some good boundaries. Boundaries can be loving by not
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  Speaker 4: enabling people to hurt you in evil ways.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean God has boundaries, right, because he gives
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  Speaker 2: us free will. He definitely free will is a boundary.
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  Speaker 1: It is.
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  Speaker 3: It is.
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  Speaker 4: He's saying, I'm not going to make you a robot
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  Speaker 4: that just loves me because I'm some narcissistic being that
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  Speaker 4: has to be loved. He's saying, I want you to
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  Speaker 4: choose to love me, And so he's saying that also,
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  Speaker 4: I want you to choose to love your spouse.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so what would you say, you know, for maybe
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  Speaker 2: a couple who's craving more spiritual intimacy, like where's a
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  Speaker 2: good place to start, you know, because I know a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people like the church, for example, cure, Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: The scripture, reading God's word. You can't know God if
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  Speaker 4: you don't read his word. And I'm faltering on that too.
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  Speaker 4: And it's like again, I go through phases where I'm
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  Speaker 4: on it and I'm deep in the word and I'm like,
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  Speaker 4: you know what, yes, I am living this every day, right,
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  Speaker 4: And then there are times where life gets so busy and.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, I haven't been in the word.
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, But then I noticed this real direct correlation between
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: that and my level of happiness, my experience of joy,
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: how patient I am with my children and my spouse,
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: and my ability to live the fruit of the spirit. Yeah,
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: it's it's true.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: It's very true.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: I notice it in my own life too, like when
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: I'm really committed to, you know, my Sunday Bible study
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: or really just being in church. And I know, like
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: church can be somewhat intimidating for some people, but for
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: me personally, I think, you know, the times that Josh
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: and I have gone together, it's been this really connected space.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: And you know, I also think that you know, your
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: church can really be wherever you choose it to be
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: you know, it can be.
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: We are the church, right, right, the body of believers
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: is the church. You don't necessarily need a building for that.
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: You just need people gathering together, supporting one another for
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: God's mission.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: And you can feel close to God. And many places
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: I feel closest to God, you know, like when I'm
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: in nature, and when Josh and I are in nature together,
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: it's a very spiritual experience for us. And so that's
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: always been something we've really connected on. And that's what
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: I think is important for our listeners to know, is like,
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: spiritual intimacy doesn't have to be what religion lines it
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: out to look like, right. It can look like a
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: lot of different things, And it can look like you know,
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: you and your partner, you know, taking a trip together
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: and you know, detoxing from your phones. Right Like, these
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: are ways that you can spiritually connect with each other. Yes,
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: And and you know, obviously for us specifically God.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: And you know Jesus is a part of that.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: But everything is welcome here, you know, we welcome that,
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: and so we just you know, we want everyone to
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: know that, even if you've already turned us off because
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: you don't want to hear.
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: Right, right, And like I said, I want to be
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: really clear, I am not naming specific sins, pointing out
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: specific sins because I think that is so harmful. It
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: is so harmful it pushes people away from God. If
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: you believe that God has this finite set of rules,
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: right and you, you will never meet the metric because
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: how much how granular can you go in those rules?
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: Like where's the where's the line? Right?
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: So if you think, like, for example, drinking alcohol is okay, well,
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: then where's the line between when it's drunkenness and it
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: becomes sinful?
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: Is it when you get a tiny bit of a buzz?
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: Is it? You know? True? Like fallen down drunk? Like,
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: where's the line? Right?
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: That's why we can't point at somebody and be like
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: your your lifestyle is is sinful? No, the way to
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: go about it is to say, look.
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: Here's what love is.
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: Here's what God says are the paths to less suffering
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: in this life. And if you give your life over
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: to him and you allow him to guide you in
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: that way, he will guide you in the way that
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: He wants to specifically shape you and mold you to
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: carry out your mission here on this earth. So I
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: don't want anybody to feel judged or think that I'm
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: pointing at them and saying this is unacceptable or not unacceptable.
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: We all do things that are unacceptable in God's eyes,
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: which is why we have Jesus Christ, because none of
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: us will ever meet the mark. God's standard is perfection.
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: None of us will meet it, which is why Jesus
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: came and died for us. Because if you start pointing
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: fingers that, well, you do this, or you do that,
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: or you do this and you do that, we get
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: in big trouble and we lose the message and then
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: God can't work right. But I do think culture promotes
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: a lot of demonic and a lot of evil and
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: a lot of you know, and a lot of people
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: think I'm talking about sexuality or something like that. I'm not.
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: I'm talking about like demonic representations of like you know,
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: with violence and bigotry and all of those things.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: Those are evil things.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: I want to for the couple specifically where one partner
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: is maybe more spiritually further along than the other and.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: They want us all the time in life practice, they
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: want to.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: Pull the other partner into a more spiritual experience.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: What's advice you would give to that couple.
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: Live and love in the most christ Like way possible
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: and demonstrate to your partner what Christ's love really looks
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: like in action.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because.
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: You can tell them about it, you can bring him
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: to church. But we learn through experience and we relate
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: to each other through experiences, and so they need to
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: experience your christ like love, right, So be humble, be kind,
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: be patient, listen, take accountability, show them your faithfulness and
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: your trust in God. Like talking about specific sins, fear
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: is one of the in my opinion, one of the
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: worst sins out there. And I struggle, I still struggle
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: with it because fear is the opposite of faith. And
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: God said three hundred and sixty five times, and I
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: don't think that that is a coincidence in scripture, do
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: not fear, have faith, And it's easy to say. It
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: was never easy for me to do until I truly
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: met God. But fear is it's the opposite of faith.
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: And so show your faithfulness, yeah, you know, show your
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: faithfulness through laying down fear.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: For being just by being the example.
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: Being the example that's right in your own marriage. And
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: then because I think that that's how we draw people in.
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: I want people on my platform to look at me
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: and not think, Okay, she doesn't practice what she preaches.
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: And I've had my moments, I've had my stumbles, but
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: I want them to look at me and go I
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: want that kind of faith because that's how I think
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: I might be a vessel of bringing people to Jesus
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: through trying.
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: To live it. Does that mean I'm perfect?
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: No?
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: I say cuss words, you know, And I'm torn on that,
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: Like does God care about that?
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: I don't even know.
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: But in terms of the way that I treat people,
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: in terms of the way that I tried to handle
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: people's hearts.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Right, yeah. And the credit that you give to your
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: very blessed life, Oh my.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: Gosh, it's all God.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: I mean there have been Listen, guys, y'all don't even
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: know the God moments that we've had since we've started
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: this adventure. Oh my god, there has been too many
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: to even name.
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: So many that it cannot it cannot be a coincidence.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: And I feel like.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: The more glory that we give to Him, the more
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: blessed we become.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: One hundred percent, I had this really pivotal moment.
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: It was one of the most intimate moments I have
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: had with God in my journey, and it hit me
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: like a freight train. My husband and I were watching TV.
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: It was his son needed something. He was Both of
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: our kids were getting ready for bed, so we were
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: trying to kind of catch a show during the thirty
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: minutes while they will they get ready for bed before
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: we have to do the whole bedtime tuck in and
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: I'll read stories and all that thing. And so his
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: son needed him first. My little girl's still in the shower,
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: so I of course, girl TikTok.
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: I'm sitting there and there's this Tim Tebow interview and
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: I just a huge Tim Tebow fan because he's so faithful.
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: And he was talking about, you know, the Florida Championship
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: game and the John three to sixteen thing where all
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: of the metrics lined out to be three sixteen and
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: like three hundred and sixteen million people googled John three
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: sixteen or like all of these crazy coincidences that would
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: be statistically absolutely impossible for it to be not a
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: God thing, right, And I just said this prayer and
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: I was like, God, I still don't know why You've
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: given me this platform why have you given me these
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: millions of people, Like I have over two million people
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: on social media, yeah that follow.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: Me, and to me, that is insane. It is it's insane.
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: And over a quarter of million listeners right now on
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: this podcast that's just starting at second season, and so
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: that's a big voice. So i want to honor God
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: with that big voice. And I'm like, why did you
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: give me this platform? And he just spoke so clearly,
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: and he said, because you tell people about me. And
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: so when I get comments like you shouldn't talk about God,
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm here because of God, Yeah, exactly, And
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: I'm here because I keep speaking about God and it's
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: not even me, keeps blessing me. Like the months just
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: keep getting bigger, and the platforms keep getting bigger, and
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: the opportunities keep getting bigger.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: And you save more marriages. I mean, did you read
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: the comment last night on.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: The group your community group? I think you saw it
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: because you commented on it. Somebody just it was so beautiful,
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: and I like, it's comments like that.
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: That really, I mean, obviously speak to us transformed in
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: my marriae.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: And then I was reading all the other comments and
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: I'm just like but I don't know if it's me,
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: it's like God working, it's God working.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: I don't even want to take the credit. I'm just
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: the vessel, right, I'm just a vessel.
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, but I'm also human and prone to
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: sin and prone to mistakes. And I stumble I love
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: me a good Megan te song, which I've.
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: Struggled with that too. I'm like, oh, that's my show.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: That's the villain, that's the enemy. You know.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: I want to ask one more question, like what would
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: you say to someone who fears like vulnerability around spirituality,
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: maybe because they've had some trauma. Oh yeah, with like
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: you know, in the church or religion or you know,
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: there's so many circumstances say.
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: That was not God.
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: Those were flawed people aligning with the enemy, putting their
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: spin on God's word.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: That was not accurate. And if it harms you, it
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: is not from God.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I know a lot of people struggle with that.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: I know, you know, I mean I grew up in
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: the church. I you know, I was a preacher's daughter,
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: and but my experience was really beautiful, Like I don't
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: have anything. I mean, I was lucky because even though
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: my parents sheltered us a little bit.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: They were very spiritually open to.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: What we wanted to explore and what we wanted to learn,
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: and they always allowed us to have, you know, a
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: very intimate and personal relationship with Jesus Christ that allowed
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: you know, I've gone back and forth, I've swayed. I've
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: I've lived multiple you know seasons in my life where
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: you know, I've gone one direction and then I've come
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: back and you know, swayed and gone this direction. And
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: the beauty of I think having the parents that I
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: had is.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: That they always allowed it.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: They allowed myiritual journey to be what I needed it
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: to be in that moment. But I know, not everyone
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: has had that experience, and they've had a lot of
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: you know, maybe people being very rigid or even you know,
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: some really bad, bad, you know, experiences in the church
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: with like predatorial people.
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: Absolutely, I have a lot of clients that have religious trauma,
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: and I just try to tell them those were people
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: and like Jesus had religious trauma too.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: They killed him. They killed him over it.
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: Like Jesus had bad experiences with religion, religious people crucified him, right,
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: and so he knows what it's like to be hurt
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: by the quote church, they killed him. So if anybody
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: knows what that is, like, it is Jesus and he
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: wants to say, if someone has hurt you, that was
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: not me, that was not my father, that is the demonics,
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: beard of the enemy working through people, twisting and using
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: religion to harm.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: That's right. I'm sorry.
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: And that doesn't mean that, you know, God doesn't have
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: standards for us. I think that he does, and I
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: think he has truth for us. And when I think
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: it's when we don't want to accept that truth because
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: maybe we don't make that mark, like we don't hit
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: the mark right because we're sinners. We want to reject
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: it as truth. We want to just kind of like
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: do it our way. And that's also not what God wants, right.
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: So I hope this isn't a mixed message.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: I don't.
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: I'm not trying to send the message like do whatever
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: you want because Jesus forgives everything. I'm saying, get in
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: the word, find God's truth, and then try to live
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: it out as best as you can. And I am
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: not going to point to a specific sin or something.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: I'm just not and I think too, like I was
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: saying a little earlier, try to find God in the
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: every day, every day, right, because it's because some people
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: like the again, it's like church, like the big things
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: that that we feel like represent God, like the Church
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: and the Bible. It intimidates a lot of people, but
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: a lot of people specifically that do have some religious trauma.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: So I just think that you have to look for
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: God in so many small everyday experiences. And you know,
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: we've talked about this maybe once or twice on a
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: few other episodes, but so we both share a spiritual
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: number and we have crazy for you know, I've experienced
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: this number obviously my whole life because I was born
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: on March twenty seventh, and so our spiritual number is
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: twenty seventh.
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: Yes, and it's wild.
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: The father of my kids who passed away, his birthday
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: was July twenty seventh, and twenty seven was his big
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: number he was And it's been about that.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: It's been a big number in my life. And like.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: We've often talked about it, and obviously it's our promo
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: code Love Doc twenty seven for twenty seven person off
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: and that was strategic, guys, It's not just some random
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: number that we chose, but it's crazy how.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: It has showed up in our life. And we've often.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: Said, like, it's our angel number, you know, and then
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: we've done some research around scripture and you know what
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: it means in scripture, and you've found some really you know,
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: fascinating and profound things around.
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: It, twenty seven books and then testing me.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it doesn't just show up like in time
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: or you know, it shows up in so many different ways,
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: like on our way here, like the road we travel
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: on the way here is Highway twenty seven. You know,
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: there's so many different things. But I had this really
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: epiphanal moment, probably I don't know, two weeks ago, and
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: I texted you and I was just like, this whole time,
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: I've been calling it, you know, our angel number. And
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: then again God spoke to me and said, no, it's
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: the Holy Spirit. Yeah, it's the Holy Spirit who's showing
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: up in these small ways to remind you to come
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: towards me, right, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: And the Holy Spirit shows up in so many ways
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: if you're just willing to look for it.
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: Oh my goodness. Yes.
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: And you know it's interesting because I think in our
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: relationships there are those small moments of love and connection,
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: and we need to make room for more of them.
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: And we need to lay down our pride, and we
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: need to lay down our stubbornness, and we need to
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: lay down our bitterness and resentment that we have. And
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: we have to be able to show up for our
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: partners in those very small ways and know that God
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: is there and present with us in those small moments,
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: like reach over and touch your partner right if you
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: guys are in a tiff, be the one to reach
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: over and touch your partner and make the first bid
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: for connections right right, or think about your partner ahead
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: of time, what would make them feel good or feel happy?
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: And how can I serve them today? Being servant hearted
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: towards your partner is so incredibly important and you can
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: only truly be intimately servant hearted if you pay attention
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: to them. You know, if you tune into them, God
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: tunes into us. He knows every hair on our head,
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: He made every feature by his design, and He wants
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: us to love our partners in those ways. So we
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: talk about attachment like the more avoidant folks who especially
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: the dismissive avoidant, you know, who really have the blinders
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: on and they're so self directed. And it's not necessarily
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: their fault that the enemy worked in those who helped
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: that develop, right, But we can choose to overcome it.
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: And when we align with what God wants for us
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: and his principles of love and you know, the fruit
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: of the spirit, we will start showing up for our
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: partner in those christ like ways in the little moments
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: of life. The life is made up of only little moments, right,
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: So that's all it's made up of. And so we
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: can't think about loving our partner in these grand ways
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: or these grand gestures like oh, well, I'm only going
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: to show up on Valentine's Day or right, or I'm
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: gonna get our a good Christmas present, right, you know. No,
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: it's the little ways every day that we show up
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: for our partner that add up. And it's the same
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: way God loves us. He shows up for us every
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: day in the little ways.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: It's really it's about laying down the sword, you know,
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  Speaker 2: lay down the sword and become softer to things that
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  Speaker 2: maybe you would have been harder to. And man, who
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  Speaker 2: is this is big for me because I can get
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  Speaker 2: really rigid and really hard on things that I'm kind
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  Speaker 2: of got my heels dug into the dirt about and
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: I've had, you know, and I've experienced this in my
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  Speaker 2: own marriage, and it's but I think that that's what
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  Speaker 2: God intends marriage to be, this reflection and right of
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  Speaker 2: how we can be more godlike.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, it's supposed to be a reflection of how Christ loves. Yes,
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  Speaker 4: that's what they designed marriage to be. And so I
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  Speaker 4: have some notes on my phone because I want to
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  Speaker 4: specifically pull from scripture. And you know, I wish I
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  Speaker 4: had all these memorized, you know, but I don't.
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  Speaker 1: You have a lot. I have a lot.
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  Speaker 2: I'm very impressed by your knowledge of the Bible. So
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  Speaker 2: we'll give you credit. Okay, it's okay to use your phone, Teo.
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  Speaker 4: We have First Corinthians thirteen twelve. Now I know in
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  Speaker 4: part then I shall know fully even as I am
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  Speaker 4: fully known. So deep relationships reflect the divine design to
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  Speaker 4: be fully known and still fully loved both by God
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  Speaker 4: and one another. James five sixteen says, therefore, confess your
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  Speaker 4: sins to each other and pray for each other so
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  Speaker 4: that you may be healed.
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  Speaker 3: And this is a really.
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  Speaker 4: A reflection that you know, emotional vulnerability is not weakness,
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  Speaker 4: it's not it's the path to healing, it's the path
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  Speaker 4: to intimacy. It's the path to spiritual growth together in
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  Speaker 4: your relationship.
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  Speaker 3: And it's beautiful when you can really.
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  Speaker 4: Be experience, like vulnerably deeply honest, you know. And my
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  Speaker 4: husband and I have had numerous moments where we are
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  Speaker 4: both in tears and we're both sharing something that we're
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  Speaker 4: very ashamed of about ourselves, or that have humiliated us
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  Speaker 4: in the past, or that have that still hurt us,
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  Speaker 4: or things that we're deeply afraid of, you know. And
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  Speaker 4: will you know, shed some tears together and that makes
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  Speaker 4: me feel so close to him and so loved by
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  Speaker 4: him to be accepted when revealing those things. Absolutely, And
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  Speaker 4: so it's hard to tease a part emotional intimacy versus
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: spiritual intimacy. But all I can say is that here
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  Speaker 4: from Scripture, it's, you know, emotional intimacy is the gateway
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  Speaker 4: into being spiritually connected because the spirit is the deepest
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  Speaker 4: part of ourselves.
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  Speaker 3: It's the true self, like.
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  Speaker 4: Our soul, from what I understand, And again, maybe I
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  Speaker 4: don't think the scripture really delineates this clearly, but I've
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  Speaker 4: come to my own understanding through my relationship with God,
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  Speaker 4: that the soul is more of like our personality and
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  Speaker 4: our preferences, and like our uniqueness, you know, as an individual,
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  Speaker 4: where our spirit is the deepest part of our self
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  Speaker 4: that's connected to God. Right, it's like the truest, most
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  Speaker 4: divine part of ourself that the enemy wants to try
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  Speaker 4: to influence and pull us away from.
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  Speaker 3: But when we're turned towards God, it is fully loving
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  Speaker 3: the higher sel.
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  Speaker 4: It is the higher self that's connected to God. And
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  Speaker 4: I want to share that with my husband.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 4: There's another one from Ephesians four. To be completely humble
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  Speaker 4: and gentle, be patient bearing with one another in love
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  Speaker 4: and true intimacy is built on gentleness, patience, and staying
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  Speaker 4: emotionally present with one another.
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  Speaker 3: And then let's see Proverbs twenty five again.
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  Speaker 4: We can find so much in Proverbs about love. The
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  Speaker 4: purposes of a person's heart are deep waters, but one
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  Speaker 4: who as insight draws them out, showing that real love
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  Speaker 4: listens deeply. Emotional intimacy happens when we patiently draw each
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  Speaker 4: other out, just like God does with us.
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  Speaker 3: And I think that that is a good place to.
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  Speaker 2: Wrap up gosh Man reading reading from scripture is just
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  Speaker 2: and again I believe it's the Holy Spirit, right Like
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: when I have absolutely when I have a body experience,
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  Speaker 2: I feel like it's the Holy Spirit like coming into
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: my body, living in my heart.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: So I just had one of those, and it's always
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  Speaker 2: so profound because it's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Like I get a little dizzy, yeah, and like I.
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: Get chills, like I get like this asmr like tingle
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  Speaker 4: up my spine.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, my eyes start to water and this this always
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: happens to me when I when I'm in church too. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I just cannot hold my emotions back. And it always
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: happens when people get baptized.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, always, man.
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  Speaker 2: I just when when they're dipped into that water and
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: come you know, they come up clean.
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  Speaker 4: Oh.
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  Speaker 2: I just it's just so beautiful. And so listen, guys,
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  Speaker 2: if you're still here and you're still.
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: Listening, we haven't lost. You haven't been like okay, and I.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: Know, you know some of the IF's this specific episode.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: Some people will absolutely love it and some people turn
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: it off at the very beginning, which is totally fun.
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  Speaker 3: We still love you, we accept you, We do know.
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not gonna stop talking about it. Here
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: and there. But we also have a lot of other,
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: you know, things to offer, a lot of psychology. We
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: have a lot of great guests that have expertise in
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: different areas that are going to be coming on. And
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: it's not just going to be all about God. But
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: I think God does play such a big role in
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: our lives that we can't not share it.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: He gave me this platform, he gave me this voice.
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  Speaker 4: Everything that has built this platform was built because God
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: saved me.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: God has turned every painful experience I've had in my
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: life into joy.
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: And he promises to do that if you turn towards
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: Him and seek his character, because he doesn't just do
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: it for the random person that isn't seeking him, because
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: you can't hear him to go down the right road
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: to seek that redemption, you have to be able to
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: hear him and listen and allow him to guide you
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: to where the redemption lies. So you have to really
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: look at yourself and say, am I truly putting my
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: energy into seeking the character and nature of God? And
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: if the answer is no, then don't be surprised why
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: you don't experience redemption and blessings, because then you can't
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: hear his voice where he's saying, turn right, not left right,
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: because the redemption's over here on the right side.
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: But you're over here on the left side, here.
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: In the enemy's bitterness and accusation and rejection and jealousy
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: and all of the things over there.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: God lives within you.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: And if you are seeking more spiritual you know, just depth.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: I think that doctor Hensley has wonderful services that can
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: help you. But again we want to emphasiz that she
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: has a completely secular way of doing things as well,
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: that you know, it's based strictly off the psychology, and.
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  Speaker 4: I let clients choose you want the psychology or you
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: want the spiritual version.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: I mean question on anybody.
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  Speaker 2: No, absolutely not well, I loved this episode too. I
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: feel really warm and fuzzy right now. So we hope
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: that you do too, and please you know, obviously you
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: can go you know the story now behind to love
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  Speaker 2: DOOC twenty seven it's our holy spirit number.
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  Speaker 4: I see it every single time I look at the clock.
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  Speaker 4: It's something twenty seven.
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  Speaker 1: Everywhere.
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  Speaker 4: If I look at the clock ten times a day,
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  Speaker 4: seven out of ten it is a minute mark or
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: twenty seven. And I'm sorry but like that's statistically insane.
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: It means I agree, and it's it's just everywhere everywhere.
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  Speaker 4: We see it everywhere, and you know, maybe there's a
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: little bit of a bias that you know, Okay, now
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: that we're kind of looking for it, we see it everywhere,
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  Speaker 4: but it can't explain.
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  Speaker 1: It all now, absolutely not.
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  Speaker 4: So I don't know exactly what it all means. Maybe
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: we will know someday, maybe why that it's both shoved
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  Speaker 4: in our faces like all the time and we're just
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  Speaker 4: like twenty seven seven.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that's an evolution, So we shall see.
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  Speaker 2: But please go use that code Love Doc twenty seven
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• 43:13
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• 43:23
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