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The Power of Women's Soccer · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I'm awkward to stuff
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Speaker 1: I've never told you. Protection of by Heart Radio and
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Speaker 1: today we are so happy, so happy to be joined
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Speaker 1: by one of my very best friends, Whitney. Thank you
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Speaker 1: for coming on, Whitney.
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Speaker 2: Thank you guys for having me.
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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, yes, Oh gosh, we're so excited to
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Speaker 1: have you. Because we were we've been talking a lot
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Speaker 1: about soccer and Samantha had done this episode on it
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Speaker 1: and was like, I wish we had someone we could
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Speaker 1: bring on to talk about it. And I was like, well,
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Speaker 1: I have kind of the person that's might be good.
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Speaker 2: I think a casual if you will.
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Speaker 3: I love it because we were talking about the fact
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Speaker 3: that neither one of us had really watched it, and
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Speaker 3: Annie's like, well, I did watch a little bit of
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Speaker 3: it and it was really fun because of and I'm like,
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Speaker 3: but she, I'm like, why is it she on? Let's
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Speaker 3: let's have a conversation because we needn't know what's going
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Speaker 3: on and I know nothing that has happened except that
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Speaker 3: we're at the end of it now. Yeah. Yes, the
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Speaker 3: World Cup for the women, Yeah yes, yes, who won?
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Speaker 2: Who won?
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Speaker 1: Uh?
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Speaker 2: Spain for the first time?
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Speaker 3: Oh, Okay, really this is the.
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Speaker 1: First, yes, we will talk about because some things have
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Speaker 1: happened around that. But yeah, yeah, Originally you were going
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Speaker 1: to come on earlier, but then there was some schedule
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Speaker 1: upsets and then some like upsets upset in the World Cup,
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Speaker 1: and I was like, maybe we'll give way you a
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Speaker 1: little little time, which we'll also talk about.
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Speaker 2: First, I was physically unwell. Then I was emotionally unwell, and.
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Speaker 3: That's understandable.
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Speaker 1: I get that. It's that is though, like when you
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Speaker 1: care and you were like really booting for something, and
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Speaker 1: then I've just seen so many people have come into
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Speaker 1: sports later in life, like really like sports later in life,
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Speaker 1: and they're like, why do we do this to ourselves?
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Speaker 2: It's torture.
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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, So we're going to be talking about
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Speaker 1: the World Cup and women in soccer and all of that.
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Speaker 1: But before we get into that, I did want to
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Speaker 1: talk about how Witty and I know each other. We
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Speaker 1: met when we were in middle school and we were
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Speaker 1: both extremely competitive with each other. Specifically, Oh no, I
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Speaker 1: love that you.
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Speaker 2: Have that, because I actually have that in my notes
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Speaker 2: of something I wanted to talk about.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because that was like we would it didn't matter
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Speaker 1: how good we were at the sport. We would be like,
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna win this, bad, bad, terrible. If there were
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Speaker 1: some injuries that were had in.
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Speaker 3: Our oh my gosh, or because of each other.
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't say because of each other, but because we
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Speaker 1: were so competitive with each other. Okay, Like, I'm pretty
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Speaker 1: sure didn't you sprain your ankle when we were playing volleyball?
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Speaker 2: I was going to ask you. I couldn't remember if
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Speaker 2: it was volleyball or basketball. But Annie and I had
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Speaker 2: PE and health together our freshman year of high school,
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Speaker 2: and that's kind of when we first became really close.
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Speaker 2: I kind of grew up in a sheltered, conservative Christian
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Speaker 2: family and I didn't have a lot of access to
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Speaker 2: popular music or movies or books. And Annie was like,
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Speaker 2: you haven't seen what, you haven't read what I will
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Speaker 2: show you the air of your ways, And she kind
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Speaker 2: of opened my mind to a lot of that. But
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Speaker 2: specifically what she's talking about. I played soccer in high
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Speaker 2: school and we had a game that day and during
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Speaker 2: PE class I believe we were playing volleyball. I don't
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Speaker 2: remember the exact incident itself, but I was quite mad
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Speaker 2: because I injured myself right before our game, and I
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Speaker 2: blamed Annie Reeves even though it's probably my own fault
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Speaker 2: and had nothing to do with her. It happen.
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Speaker 4: Well, I'm not ready to go.
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Speaker 1: And then I entered myself playing basketball. I was the
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Speaker 1: one that hurt myself playing basketball because I did a
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Speaker 1: like running dive for the ball and then I just
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Speaker 1: slid on the floor across and got a lot of shaping. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: so a guy.
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Speaker 2: We were like guys and girls on that that day
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Speaker 2: and we were.
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Speaker 5: Like oh yeah, oh yeah, and we were trying to
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Speaker 5: show up this one guy who was a real jerk, yeah,
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Speaker 5: who was like girls can't play this, and we were like,
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Speaker 5: yes they can, and then I slid across the floor.
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Speaker 3: Did you win at least did your team win?
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Speaker 1: I think we did.
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Speaker 2: I think who knows, I.
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Speaker 1: Feel like we did. I'm gonna, you know what, I'm
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Speaker 1: going to rewrite history that I was a jerk, so
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Speaker 1: he doesn't get to even if he did win, he
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Speaker 1: lost exactly. Yes, Yeah, but you were definitely someone because
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Speaker 1: I was very insecure. I was very insecure about my
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Speaker 1: abilities and about my body, and you were definitely someone
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Speaker 1: who I just enjoyed playing with, like all that kind
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Speaker 1: of faded away, and it was just like, this is
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Speaker 1: my friend, and this is really fun, and this is
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Speaker 1: really competitive, and I want to win, and when I
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Speaker 1: didn't win, I might be mad, but like not really mad, right,
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Speaker 1: not really? Yeah, So it was a really you're one
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Speaker 1: of my good friends who I was able to do
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Speaker 1: that with because a lot of our friends didn't like sports.
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Speaker 1: So it was really cool and a lot of my
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Speaker 1: memories I do have fond memories of that, and you
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Speaker 1: were someone who I knew, like really loved soccer. And
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Speaker 1: so can you talk a little bit about how how
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Speaker 1: you got into it, any memories you have around it,
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Speaker 1: Why is it so important to you?
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Speaker 2: So as a little kid, I played just a variety
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Speaker 2: of sports. I think my parents signed me up for
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Speaker 2: t ball, I played softball at one point, I was
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Speaker 2: on a swim team, and I played soccer. I honestly
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Speaker 2: couldn't tell you how what age I started playing soccer,
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Speaker 2: But there became a point when my parents said, okay,
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Speaker 2: you have to choose one sport. I think I was
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Speaker 2: about ten or so, and I chose soccer. I think
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Speaker 2: because at the time it felt like the toughest women's
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Speaker 2: sport I could play. Like it was the most physical game.
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Speaker 2: I really enjoyed it. I don't know that I was
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Speaker 2: any good, but I really loved playing it, and I
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Speaker 2: just I kept up with it. I ended up playing
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Speaker 2: in high school and our high school's team. I wasn't
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Speaker 2: good enough to play college or anything like that, but
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Speaker 2: I've still, you know, specifically the women's team throughout the years. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And you are someone when you I know, like
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Speaker 1: anytime a big soccer thing comes up in women's soccer specifically,
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Speaker 1: I know, like, okay, I could go to Whitney, and
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Speaker 1: Whitney can explain these things, and I know that you
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Speaker 1: have all of these memories with it, which is part
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Speaker 1: of why you're here, is the hazard of being a
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Speaker 1: fan of things. And my friend, but yeah, do you
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Speaker 1: have any specific memories that just really stand out in
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Speaker 1: terms of how this solidified as something that you really love.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. So in nineteen ninety nine, I was not quite
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Speaker 2: ten years old, just about, and the US women's team
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Speaker 2: were playing in the World Cup. They were playing in
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Speaker 2: the finals against China, and I was the only person
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Speaker 2: in my family that cared about soccer. But we were
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Speaker 2: visiting my grandmother and I was at her house and
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Speaker 2: somehow I was able to get the game to broadcast
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Speaker 2: on her tiny, little old television, and I sat in
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Speaker 2: the den and watched it by myself and was cheering.
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Speaker 2: But of course I remember the iconic moment where Brandy
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Speaker 2: Chastain scored that iconic PK and then took her jersey off,
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Speaker 2: which then you could see her sports bra. And I
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Speaker 2: remember it being a very scandalous thing at the time
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Speaker 2: for a woman to expose herself on national television, even
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Speaker 2: though people run around with sports bras and go to
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Speaker 2: the beach with bikinis, but this was scandalous. But it
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Speaker 2: was just an exciting time me and Ham was really
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Speaker 2: big at that time too, and she had this commercial
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Speaker 2: with Michael Jordan where they were competing with each other
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Speaker 2: and they sang that song anything you can do, I
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Speaker 2: can do better? You guys remember that?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, I do.
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Speaker 2: It was also coming off the Tale of the ninety
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Speaker 2: six Olympics and the US women's Olympic gymnastics team. Is
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Speaker 2: just the nineties was a great time in women's sports.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I remember that being that clip of
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Speaker 3: Amy and Ham being put in uh Bennett like Beckham
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Speaker 3: and that significance even like translated all over the world
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Speaker 3: and how big that was, and that that kind of
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Speaker 3: cemented US women's soccer because they're like, no, they're you
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Speaker 3: legitimately can play there, and they're they're actually celebrated, which
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Speaker 3: from our perspective, they really weren't celebrated as much as
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Speaker 3: they should have been. But the fact that they still
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Speaker 3: made it that big that it went into like international
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Speaker 3: films and you're like, wow, okay, look at those they
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Speaker 3: are like leaders of this amazing thing that should have
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Speaker 3: been happening a long time ago. But I remember that
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Speaker 3: being such a distinct moment and an accomplishment from the
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Speaker 3: for the US.
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Speaker 2: Definitely, they dominated the early years and they came out
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Speaker 2: and they showed the world really that you know, we're women,
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Speaker 2: we're here, we can play, and we're entertaining. People like
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Speaker 2: to watch us, so watch out.
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Speaker 3: I have to ask who is your favorite player? Then
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Speaker 3: who would you call as your person?
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Speaker 2: So I can't answer that. I can't answer that. Oh no,
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Speaker 2: there's too many, There's too many.
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Speaker 3: Can you give a top three?
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Speaker 2: I really like Abbi Wanmback. He was yeah, epic in
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Speaker 2: the early twenty tens. There's this really cool picture that's
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Speaker 2: circulating on the internet that has a picture of Sophia Smith,
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Speaker 2: who is a current US women's national player. She's like
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Speaker 2: one of the youngest. She's twenty two and it's a
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Speaker 2: picture of her with Abby Womback and she's like seven
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Speaker 2: years old. So it's so cool to see that. You know,
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Speaker 2: she had her as an icon growing out and then
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Speaker 2: went on to become, you know, a household name herself
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Speaker 2: and the future of women's soccers. Love Tone Heath and
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Speaker 2: Christian Press. They have their own clothing and philanthropy kind
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Speaker 2: of company that they have called re Ink. They're super cool.
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Speaker 2: I love them both. Of course, who doesn't love Megan
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Speaker 2: Lupino and all that she stands for. Right, I don't
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Speaker 2: know I could describe, I could talk about all of them.
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Speaker 2: They're just so great, all of it. I'm just a
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Speaker 2: fan girl. I love it.
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Speaker 1: Yes, And we have been talking about a lot the
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Speaker 1: history of women's soccer and how it didn't get the
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Speaker 1: same attention and the fight for equal pay when you know,
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Speaker 1: and even like just viewership opportunities or equipment or things
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Speaker 1: like that. So I think a lot of times people forget,
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Speaker 1: they don't forget, or maybe maybe they just don't think
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Speaker 1: about it. But when you think about all that's going
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Speaker 1: on in women's soccer, it is so many things that
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Speaker 1: women are fighting for outside of that realm. Because I
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Speaker 1: feel like too. For a long time, especially in the US,
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Speaker 1: where soccer wasn't as big as it is in other places,
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Speaker 1: it was just sort of assumed like it's just some
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Speaker 1: men's team, it's not women's team. Women don't really do that, right, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and so that is changing. That is changing, and I
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Speaker 1: feel that in part because of the work of these players,
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Speaker 1: some of some of the ones you're mentioning, have really
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Speaker 1: brought these issues to light and it has grown in popularity,
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Speaker 1: which brings us, I think to this most recent World
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Speaker 1: Cup today is August twenty fourth, twenty twenty three. It
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Speaker 1: is my birthday, just because this is a re an event.
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Speaker 1: So if you're listening to it, things may change. And yeah,
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Speaker 1: this is we're just having a conversation about about it.
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Speaker 1: But we are largely depending on you White because Samantha
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Speaker 1: and I watched games with you, and I've read that,
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Speaker 1: I've read some news, I've seen some you know, social
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Speaker 1: media post about it. But I think that's the extent
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Speaker 1: of our knowledge so if you could break break it
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Speaker 1: down for us, give us some of the ups and
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Speaker 1: downs of this World Cup.
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Speaker 2: So the World Cup itself is about a month long event.
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Speaker 2: This year it was co hosted by Australia and New Zealand,
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Speaker 2: so they had games in both countries. And the way
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Speaker 2: it starts out is there are I don't remember how
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Speaker 2: many groups, but there are group there's a group stage
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Speaker 2: and elimination stage. Each group has four teams that are
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Speaker 2: selected or the decided pawn by the FIFA higher ups.
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Speaker 2: I don't know what they're called. But in the group stage,
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Speaker 2: each team has to play every other team in their
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Speaker 2: group once and the top two from each group move
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Speaker 2: on to the elimination stage. The United States has always
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Speaker 2: made it to the elimination stage. This was the first
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Speaker 2: time in World Cup history that that was questioned, so
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Speaker 2: that's kind of a big deal. What's cool, though, is
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Speaker 2: they're also this was the first year it was expanded
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Speaker 2: to include thirty two teams, and a lot of people
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Speaker 2: were skeptical because the United States has such a history
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Speaker 2: of dominating the Women's World Cup. They're like, it's not
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Speaker 2: going to be a competition, it's not going to be
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Speaker 2: interesting people aren't going to want to watch it. We
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Speaker 2: saw quite a few upsets this year. In fact, there
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Speaker 2: were three African nations that made it to the elimination
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Speaker 2: stage for the first time in history, South Africa, Nigeria,
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Speaker 2: and Morocco, which was super cool. So what I think
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Speaker 2: that says is that the sport itself is growing. The
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Speaker 2: ripple effects of the success of the United States and
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Speaker 2: have spread throughout and so these programs are getting more money,
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Speaker 2: and they're being more developed, and it is becoming more competitive,
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Speaker 2: which is a good thing. We want it to be
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Speaker 2: more competitive, right, So some big names and world soccer
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Speaker 2: Brazil and Canada. Canada is the reigning Olympic champion. Both
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Speaker 2: Brazil and Canada were knocked out in the group stage,
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Speaker 2: which means they didn't even make it to the elimination stage,
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Speaker 2: which is a pretty big deal. Those were pretty big upsets.
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Speaker 2: As for the US, if you've seen the news, if
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Speaker 2: you've seen the heartbreak, we were knocked out in the
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Speaker 2: very first round of the group stage due to PK.
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Speaker 2: So it went to pks meaning p cases penalty kicks,
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Speaker 2: which means it went full time, which is ninety minutes
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Speaker 2: plus another overtime which is two fifteen minutes, so one
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Speaker 2: hundred and twenty minutes, and then it came down to
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Speaker 2: them squaring off each other goalie versus one person. So
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Speaker 2: it's really a cruel way to lose, you think about it,
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Speaker 2: because it's just like it's painful.
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Speaker 3: It's kind of that vital moment in any kind of
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Speaker 3: sports trauma, and you're like, sorry to bring it up again.
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Speaker 2: No, it's fine. And there's some heartbreak too in that.
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Speaker 2: The expectation was there because you know, we were the
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Speaker 2: winners of the last two World Cups, so everybody wants
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Speaker 2: to see a three peat. Everyone wants the three peat.
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Speaker 2: But in reality, we have a much younger team. Our
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Speaker 2: players that were the stars of previous World Cups are
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Speaker 2: getting up there in age, they're injured. You know, it's
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Speaker 2: not saying it's time for them to move on, but
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Speaker 2: it's like it's a transition period for the United States,
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Speaker 2: and I think them getting knocked out it's not a
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Speaker 2: negative thing per se. I think it just shows how
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Speaker 2: much the rest of the world has come to be
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Speaker 2: at the table. Does that make sense?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean obviously when with a growing sport like this,
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Speaker 3: things are changing. And then also it makes it more
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Speaker 3: exciting to see the upsets. I know, with different teams
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Speaker 3: that won for the first time. You're like, oh my god,
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Speaker 3: that's amazing. You love seeing them put being put on
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Speaker 3: a map and like everybody who thought they would be
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Speaker 3: underdogs coming on top or knocking out some of the
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Speaker 3: biggest teams. Even though it hurts, it's still fun to
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Speaker 3: watch to see that that opportunity for other teams and
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Speaker 3: countries to be able to show we can get this done.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely still sad, though.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: One of my favorite moments in this tournament for the
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Speaker 2: women's the US women's national team was the US versus
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Speaker 2: the Netherlands game, which was the last game of the
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Speaker 2: group stage, and it was zero to zero for a
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Speaker 2: long time. And this was a really critical game because
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Speaker 2: basically the US had to at least either draw or
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Speaker 2: win in order to advance, in order to be in
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Speaker 2: the top to move to the nation stage. It was
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Speaker 2: a really critical game for them. And there were two
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Speaker 2: players that are actually teammates outside of the World Cup stage,
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Speaker 2: Lindsay Heran and Van der Donk. I don't remember she's
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Speaker 2: placed for the Netherlands. They both played for Leon and
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Speaker 2: there was an incident where Van der Donk basically hip
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Speaker 2: checked the crap out of Lindsay her end. There was
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Speaker 2: no malice involved, but it was really it was really
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Speaker 2: rough and Lindsay was good and there was a little
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Speaker 2: bit of a scuffle between the two. You could say
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Speaker 2: there were there might have been a shove there, and
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Speaker 2: the ref had to be like, okay, ladies, let's chill out.
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Speaker 2: And immediately after that, the US had a corner kick off,
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Speaker 2: of which Lindsay Heran scored with the header, and it
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Speaker 2: was just so satisfying to see her exact her revenge
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Speaker 2: on her teammates slash front of me in that moment.
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Speaker 2: But the most beautiful thing was at the very end
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Speaker 2: you saw the two players come together and they talked
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Speaker 2: and they laughed and they hugged it out. So it's like,
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Speaker 2: we can be fierce, we can be competitors, but at
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Speaker 2: the end of the day, we're friends, and you know,
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Speaker 2: we're glad to be in the sixth yeriod.
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Speaker 1: That's awesome. Yeah, that's like you and me.
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Speaker 2: That's right.
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Speaker 3: And I was going to say, is the two of
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Speaker 3: you you yelling at each other?
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Speaker 2: That's what I want to know.
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Speaker 6: Definitely, get changed, get change based on the day, But
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Speaker 6: I know you had other you had other highlights, right, yeah.
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Speaker 2: Not specifically like a scoring moment, but something I thought
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Speaker 2: was really cool going back to like the players using
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Speaker 2: their platforms for good. Naomi Germa, she is a bad
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Speaker 2: at bad a defender that played for Stanford and was
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Speaker 2: Rookie of the Year and Defender of the Year her
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Speaker 2: first year in the NWSL. So I don't know if
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Speaker 2: you guys remember, but Katie Meyer was a player at
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Speaker 2: Stanford that tragically took her home life under questionable circumstances
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Speaker 2: that had to deal with some disciplinary action at the university.
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Speaker 2: But she was one of Naomi Gurma's teammates and one
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Speaker 2: of her best friends, and so as part of her
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Speaker 2: playing in this World Cup, Naomi Germa teamed up with
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Speaker 2: some of the other players on the US on his
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Speaker 2: team to promote talking about mental health and being open
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Speaker 2: and vulnerable. So as part of that, Naomi Germa dedicated
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Speaker 2: her playing in this World Cup to one of her
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Speaker 2: best friends, Katie Meyer, and teamed up with the rest
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Speaker 2: of the national team and common goal to ensure that
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Speaker 2: we have these mental health conversations and that it is
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Speaker 2: a focus, especially in the sports world where it can
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Speaker 2: be incredibly competitive and there's a lot of pressure and
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Speaker 2: you're expected to be perfect, You're expected to be on
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Speaker 2: all of the time. If you make any mistakes, there's
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Speaker 2: a lot of hatred. You know, anyone can be a
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Speaker 2: bully on the internet. So I thought that was really
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Speaker 2: awesome that she dedicated this World Cup to her following
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Speaker 2: comrade and used it per platform to promote a good cause. Yeah.
22:06
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's true. Like people are so invested in
22:12
Speaker 1: things like this and they want their team to win.
22:14
Speaker 1: So I think any perceived mistake, it's like really targeted, like, oh,
22:20
Speaker 1: you ruined it. Now we won't win because of something
22:22
Speaker 1: you did. I can only imagine the pressure of something
22:26
Speaker 1: like that. And we've had a lot of conversations about
22:29
Speaker 1: that recently, about the the real pressure put on these athletes,
22:32
Speaker 1: especially like younger athletes and women athletes, of you have
22:38
Speaker 1: to be so good, like so perfect, and the detriment
22:46
Speaker 1: to their mental health and their physical health.
22:48
Speaker 3: Honestly, right, and we know that in general, even if
22:52
Speaker 3: they are perfect, they're going to be whatever else, whether
22:55
Speaker 3: it's looks or family or school or like, it doesn't matter.
23:00
Speaker 3: Level of scrutiny especially women in the sports, especially any
23:03
Speaker 3: marginalized person in sports that is actually doing well will
23:08
Speaker 3: get like either way, and even more so if you're
23:11
Speaker 3: if they if you don't perform to the level that
23:13
Speaker 3: they expect you to, which is hilarious because when we
23:16
Speaker 3: talk about like Simone Biles, who is like champion then
23:19
Speaker 3: gold medal after gold medal, they still criticize her for
23:23
Speaker 3: everything and anything, and she's become a political pawn somehow
23:28
Speaker 3: we see like her name being brought up, but the
23:30
Speaker 3: women's soccer we know that that's been an issue as well,
23:33
Speaker 3: because they've been used as political pawns and political platforms
23:37
Speaker 3: and conversations about why they don't deserve as much and
23:40
Speaker 3: the amount of like ridicule they get. So the pressure
23:44
Speaker 3: in itself just trying to live and do something you
23:46
Speaker 3: love is so overwhelming, and then we know that when
23:50
Speaker 3: it comes to mental health, that's the first thing people
23:52
Speaker 3: want to ignore, and then to see things like that
23:56
Speaker 3: when they when things do fall apart or when things
23:59
Speaker 3: go tragically and having to use your voice, and why
24:03
Speaker 3: it's so important that that does happen. It's unfortunate that
24:06
Speaker 3: that she has to carry that on for herself going
24:08
Speaker 3: through something so horrible, but the fact that she's willing
24:12
Speaker 3: to do it is an amazing thing, amazing amount of
24:14
Speaker 3: love and support sportsmanship in itself to do that is incredible.
24:19
Speaker 3: But it's Yeah, it needs to be talked about way
24:21
Speaker 3: more because I cannot believe that we're not having this
24:25
Speaker 3: bigger conversation about the needs of taking care of our
24:29
Speaker 3: athletes who represent US.
24:31
Speaker 2: I think that's one of the coolest things about watching
24:35
Speaker 2: the US women's team is how how many of them
24:38
Speaker 2: use their platform for good to try and raise awareness
24:43
Speaker 2: about a variety of social justice issues. And you know,
24:49
Speaker 2: I applaud them for their bravery, especially in this current
24:56
Speaker 2: political climate. There's been a lot of backlash. There's been
25:00
Speaker 2: lot of conservatives that have mocked them for losing and
25:05
Speaker 2: for being eliminated so early. And I'm sorry, but that's
25:11
Speaker 2: messed up. And there's still world class athletes and you
25:17
Speaker 2: want to use them as you know, upon in your
25:20
Speaker 2: political game, and they're they're still they're not stepping down.
25:24
Speaker 2: You know, they still stand for what they believe in
25:25
Speaker 2: and they say what you want to say, but they're
25:29
Speaker 2: we should be proud of them. Yes, something that's crazy
25:32
Speaker 2: that some people may not know is that women participating
25:39
Speaker 2: in the specifically a FIFA World Cup is a fairly
25:44
Speaker 2: recent event that's happened. The first Women's Cup was held
25:48
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety one, so for those of you that math,
25:52
Speaker 2: thirty something years ago, right, whereas the first men's FIFA
25:57
Speaker 2: World Cup was in nineteen thirty. So that's six plus
26:03
Speaker 2: years of women not being represented in a game that
26:06
Speaker 2: they played globally, but weren't giving the platform or the
26:11
Speaker 2: airtime or the credit to see how far they've come
26:14
Speaker 2: and how big they've flown up in thirty years.
26:17
Speaker 3: It's pretty impressive, right, amount of money they weren't making
26:20
Speaker 3: in itself.
26:21
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's a whole other.
26:22
Speaker 3: Which is what we know is why they they decided
26:25
Speaker 3: to go ahead and be like, Okay, maybe we're going
26:26
Speaker 3: to do a World Cup for women now, which is whatever,
26:31
Speaker 3: But yeah, have you heard of that copa seventy one documentary?
26:35
Speaker 3: I have not, So we had kind of mentioned it
26:37
Speaker 3: in a past because I was trying to get into
26:40
Speaker 3: the soccer stuff. It was like, oh, we're going to
26:41
Speaker 3: bring on Whitney. I don't have to do this, yeah,
26:43
Speaker 3: which I know very little about. We didn't want to
26:46
Speaker 3: talk about that. There was a documentary that just came out,
26:48
Speaker 3: like recently about one of the World Cups that was hosted,
26:53
Speaker 3: not a World Cup but a championship I guess that
26:55
Speaker 3: was actually hosted in seventy one, and how much money
26:58
Speaker 3: they brought in at that point all women, and they
27:01
Speaker 3: did they had to go and search down all of this,
27:03
Speaker 3: like record and film and talk to the individual players
27:07
Speaker 3: because it was all women. They made up probably more
27:10
Speaker 3: money than the men that year, for sure, And I
27:12
Speaker 3: brought in just as big as a crowd as the
27:14
Speaker 3: World Cup that year. And like, it's an amazing documentary,
27:18
Speaker 3: but you need to watch it. I think it's gonna
27:20
Speaker 3: be released soon.
27:21
Speaker 2: It's essentially a World Cup that predates yeah, a World Cup.
27:26
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it only had like eight or ten teams
27:29
Speaker 3: in general, Yeah, conticipating, Yeah, but it was still apparently
27:33
Speaker 3: such a big deal, and they still waited another twenty
27:36
Speaker 3: five years or twenty years to do it, Like they
27:39
Speaker 3: saw how much money it could make and they're like, nah,
27:42
Speaker 3: we're good, and they try to erase it. Actually, that's
27:46
Speaker 3: how scared of women they are.
27:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, growing up, when I would try to watch any sport,
27:52
Speaker 2: so all of my family I grew up with three brothers,
27:56
Speaker 2: so I was the only girl for the longest time
27:59
Speaker 2: and were on TV and all the time. Anytime I
28:01
Speaker 2: changed the channel and wanted to watch a women's sports,
28:04
Speaker 2: specifically women's basketball or women's soccer, my dad would joke
28:07
Speaker 2: and because he knew it, would you know, he could
28:10
Speaker 2: get a rise out of me and be like, oh, man,
28:11
Speaker 2: I'd rather watch paint dry rather Yeah, and he thought
28:16
Speaker 2: he was being funny, but like it's kind of true,
28:19
Speaker 2: like the that was the attitude towards watching women's sports
28:24
Speaker 2: on television at that time and kind of is for
28:27
Speaker 2: some people still, which is right terrible. He was still reality.
28:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really frustrating because it's always like the second
28:35
Speaker 1: it's like the men's they go first, right then no
28:41
Speaker 1: women in terms of like airtime or just even events. Uh,
28:47
Speaker 1: there's scene this secondary which I do think women's soccer
28:51
Speaker 1: really shone a light on, Like well why though, because.
28:56
Speaker 2: I'm not doing so like look at us and men's
28:59
Speaker 2: national shall we sha wee chili?
29:03
Speaker 3: Indeed?
29:08
Speaker 1: But something else you mentioned, because when I first approached
29:12
Speaker 1: you about this, I was like, would you like to
29:14
Speaker 1: talk about it? And then you had all of these
29:16
Speaker 1: things and it was amazing. I was like, this is
29:18
Speaker 1: the best. But something else you mentioned was kind of
29:22
Speaker 1: how queer this World Cup was, but also the kind
29:26
Speaker 1: of backlash against that, especially with like the arm bands,
29:30
Speaker 1: in the banning of the like the pride arm bands,
29:34
Speaker 1: I guess can you talk about that a little bit.
29:36
Speaker 2: So I think this originated from a ruling that occurred
29:41
Speaker 2: in the Men's World Cup last year in Cutter Because
29:46
Speaker 2: it's primarily Islamic nation, there was there was some dispute
29:55
Speaker 2: between PIFA, the organization, and the post country themselves and
29:59
Speaker 2: it will compromise they came to is that they you know,
30:01
Speaker 2: we used to have pride armbands for the captains that
30:06
Speaker 2: would just be a rainbow. Just a rainbow arm band
30:08
Speaker 2: doesn't mean anything. Hey, this is a rainbow arman and
30:12
Speaker 2: those were band from where during the play as kind
30:17
Speaker 2: of like a compromise for them to be able to
30:23
Speaker 2: host in the country, which is really unfortunate. But that
30:26
Speaker 2: rolling hasn't changed and so for the Women's Cup, they
30:29
Speaker 2: also haven't been able to wear the pride arm bands,
30:34
Speaker 2: even though there's a tremendous amount of queer women in
30:40
Speaker 2: this World Cup. So some things that people have done.
30:43
Speaker 2: One of my favorite players, Ali Riley. She's actually from
30:46
Speaker 2: New Zealand, but she plays here in the US. She
30:49
Speaker 2: painted her nails. On one hand, she painted them rainbow
30:52
Speaker 2: and then on the other hand she did pink, blue
30:54
Speaker 2: and white for the transmuted fly. That thought was super cool,
30:57
Speaker 2: just like it looked like a little like subtle, like
30:59
Speaker 2: f were still gonna, you know, represent be an ally.
31:04
Speaker 2: You know, it was really cool. But yeah, I I'm
31:09
Speaker 2: not gonna lie. Most of the information that I get
31:11
Speaker 2: on the World Cup comes from my Instagram fee and
31:14
Speaker 2: which is about fifty percent soccer at this point, my algorithm,
31:19
Speaker 2: which is gay.
31:20
Speaker 3: But you know what came in that way too. I
31:23
Speaker 3: kept getting like like all the queer days and I'm like,
31:26
Speaker 3: what's happening? Which I thought about, but I'm very confused.
31:31
Speaker 3: I'm like, Okay, well, I like this is the content
31:33
Speaker 3: I would want.
31:34
Speaker 2: Right, So I stumbled upon an article that said that
31:38
Speaker 2: this was the queerest World Cup in history, and specifically
31:43
Speaker 2: that there are ninety six out of g BTQ athletes
31:48
Speaker 2: in this World Cup, which roughly translates to about thirteen
31:52
Speaker 2: percent of the entire player population, which is awesome. And
31:55
Speaker 2: what's awesome is that. Obviously this has been the case forever,
32:00
Speaker 2: but now we have people that are comfortable, brave enough
32:05
Speaker 2: to be open about it and you know, like take
32:09
Speaker 2: ownership of their identity and who they are. We have
32:13
Speaker 2: our first out trans non binary player, Quinn, who plays
32:18
Speaker 2: for Canada. Super cool to see that, and just just
32:24
Speaker 2: going back to these women using their platform to create representations,
32:33
Speaker 2: like to provide that representation that we have been needing
32:39
Speaker 2: for a century, you know. True.
32:42
Speaker 3: I loved all the watching clips of everybody hugging each other,
32:46
Speaker 3: finding each other's partners and like celebrating together. It was
32:49
Speaker 3: beautiful to see the fashion in itself everybody like that
32:53
Speaker 3: was one of the number one things that I would say, Yes,
32:56
Speaker 3: sus I was like, yes, I get it for somebody.
33:00
Speaker 3: And again his very taleing, I'm like, I don't I'm
33:05
Speaker 3: not as queer, but okay, yeah, okay, y'all just keep it.
33:08
Speaker 3: Looks good on them, they look good.
33:10
Speaker 2: You're queer advacing. I was like, this is not a
33:15
Speaker 2: bad thing.
33:16
Speaker 3: Oh, I love it. I'm like keeping all this is.
33:18
Speaker 3: This is a safer space for me. I like this,
33:21
Speaker 3: and we're killing it. They were killing it. I was like, ah, yeah, okay,
33:25
Speaker 3: I like that. Maybe we think my wardrobe mmmm killany
33:30
Speaker 3: they look good?
33:42
Speaker 1: Well, speaking of I did have a couple of things
33:44
Speaker 1: I want to mention, uh that I've seen. One is
33:48
Speaker 1: I saw this headline that was talking about this pushback
33:53
Speaker 1: against white shorts in the Women's World Cup, and I
33:57
Speaker 1: was like, oh, why, And then when I read it,
33:59
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yeah, obviously because periods it's not
34:04
Speaker 1: something you want to think about and not a comfortable thing.
34:07
Speaker 1: But it just never occurred to me. I literally was like,
34:09
Speaker 1: what could it be.
34:14
Speaker 2: Just or if it rains underwear outlines? White shorts are
34:19
Speaker 2: just a bad idea for all people.
34:21
Speaker 3: M I think it's kind of funny because at the
34:23
Speaker 3: same time, yes, we want to let's just be comfortab
34:25
Speaker 3: why can't they just be comfortable? Why can't they be reasonable?
34:28
Speaker 3: But like, hey, don't complain when periods happen. It exists,
34:32
Speaker 3: and you need to understand that these women are playing
34:34
Speaker 3: under some of the most awful situations, and periods would
34:38
Speaker 3: be one of those situations, like we should pay them
34:41
Speaker 3: more just for doing that.
34:43
Speaker 2: Right, Honestly, you're welcome have a uterus that bleeds more money.
34:51
Speaker 3: Right, right, or you have to suffer through this and
34:54
Speaker 3: y'all should pay me absolutely well.
34:57
Speaker 1: That's one of the things. We've had so many conversations
34:59
Speaker 1: about this. I mean speaking of things that are shockingly recent,
35:02
Speaker 1: but I mean when it comes to women's uniforms and
35:08
Speaker 1: how sexist it is. Like we went over in the
35:12
Speaker 1: Olympics the requirements for like the handball team and the
35:17
Speaker 1: volleyball team that are just so different damn what it
35:23
Speaker 1: is for men. So I thought that was interesting that
35:26
Speaker 1: that's another piece of this conversation. And then I wanted
35:32
Speaker 1: to talk about something that happened recently that was not good.
35:36
Speaker 1: But before we do that, Segue Spain won the World Cup, right,
35:42
Speaker 1: why is the first time? Congratulations? Like so, you know,
35:48
Speaker 1: I hate that we have to talk about what we
35:50
Speaker 1: have to talk about next, but like, congratulations. But there
35:55
Speaker 1: was a there's been a lot of controversy because first
35:58
Speaker 1: of all, some of the players like refused to play
36:02
Speaker 1: under the men that were running it, the Spanish organization
36:08
Speaker 1: and the coach, and then the guy who is president
36:14
Speaker 1: of the organization there he kissed one of the players
36:17
Speaker 1: forcibly in front of cameras.
36:20
Speaker 2: Yep, yep, and.
36:24
Speaker 1: She Ben is in a very strange place where she's
36:27
Speaker 1: like I didn't want it. I don't know what to
36:29
Speaker 1: do about it, Like can we forget about it? But
36:32
Speaker 1: he also really made it about himself and the male coach,
36:35
Speaker 1: like he really really did. And it infuriates me because
36:40
Speaker 1: they did this thing they won for the first time,
36:42
Speaker 1: Like that should be the conversation we're having and instead
36:45
Speaker 1: it's like this guy felt like he could kiss this
36:48
Speaker 1: woman in public, in front of everybody, in front of cameras,
36:53
Speaker 1: and then was like it's thanks to the male coach
36:55
Speaker 1: really that this happens. So it's just like really frustrating.
37:00
Speaker 1: And I know some of the other players have spoken
37:02
Speaker 1: out from like the US team and been like this
37:05
Speaker 1: is this is the misogyny of it, that they think
37:10
Speaker 1: it's their space and that they this is just a
37:13
Speaker 1: body that they can do whenever they want to. And
37:17
Speaker 1: it took me down a whole I read this whole
37:19
Speaker 1: article about like the history of men publicly kissing women
37:23
Speaker 1: against their will and like very like on TV and
37:29
Speaker 1: then being like, oh, well, it was the moment or
37:32
Speaker 1: you weren't there, you didn't feel the emotion and all
37:34
Speaker 1: of this stuff, but like you're just that's not acceptable,
37:43
Speaker 1: that's just not.
37:43
Speaker 2: Acceptable, unacceptable. I have to say that. So I did
37:49
Speaker 2: watch the incident that you're talking about. It happened during
37:52
Speaker 2: the metal ceremony after the game concluded, and so all
37:57
Speaker 2: the players walk across the stage. The queen, the Queen
38:00
Speaker 2: of Spain was there as well as her daughter, and
38:02
Speaker 2: they all congratulated them. Most of them did hug and
38:05
Speaker 2: as in Spanish culture to do kiss on either one
38:09
Speaker 2: or both keiks. And so as I was watching that,
38:11
Speaker 2: seeing people kiss on the cheeks, that didn't seem out
38:13
Speaker 2: of the ordinary tea. But then, like you said, when
38:17
Speaker 2: Ermoso went to to hug him, he just just laid
38:23
Speaker 2: one honor without hurt any you know, permission, whatsoever. And
38:29
Speaker 2: it's just one hundred percent unprofessional, and it detracts from
38:33
Speaker 2: their moment, detracts from their celebration, like it marred their
38:39
Speaker 2: their awards ceremony that they've worked their lives for. Like
38:43
Speaker 2: it's I'm sorry, no.
38:46
Speaker 3: It is appropriate, you know, And like I don't know
38:50
Speaker 3: any of this incident. I'm now looking it up and
38:52
Speaker 3: I was like, oh damn, what happened, And the comments
38:55
Speaker 3: in this section when it reports it, instead of saying
38:58
Speaker 3: this is inappropriate. This is wrong. Every excuse for the dude,
39:01
Speaker 3: as if that's okay, and that's the part of that's like, no,
39:04
Speaker 3: this is part of the problem when we see things
39:07
Speaker 3: like this happen and immediately the first thing people want
39:09
Speaker 3: to do is defend the dude, instead of saying, yes,
39:12
Speaker 3: that's at the very saying that seems inappropriate. Maybe he
39:15
Speaker 3: should have done that, maybe they should have been like
39:18
Speaker 3: this seems all kinds of wrong. Also, do they even
39:20
Speaker 3: know each other? So many questions that I would be
39:23
Speaker 3: like what what what to this point of like everybody
39:27
Speaker 3: just defending it, Well, you don't know the culture, like
39:29
Speaker 3: people who are not from Spain saying we don't know culture.
39:31
Speaker 3: Was like, which is partially true, but why are you
39:34
Speaker 3: defending something that she has already made a statement saying
39:37
Speaker 3: this was unacceptable, Like she's the one.
39:39
Speaker 2: That says that want it.
39:41
Speaker 3: She said, yeah, so that's where we should leave.
39:44
Speaker 2: There's no question about it.
39:45
Speaker 3: Was to get like excusing him, which is that whole
39:50
Speaker 3: big problem, Like, Okay, you don't see why this is
39:52
Speaker 3: a problem because we're talking about this as Annie was saying,
39:55
Speaker 3: instead of the fact that they want and to celebrate that, yes.
40:00
Speaker 1: It infuriates me. This should be a thing, like they shouldn't.
40:04
Speaker 1: They should be just celebrating it. Instead, everyone's like mad
40:08
Speaker 1: at her and she's in this horrible place because she's like,
40:11
Speaker 1: well what do I do? Being like, well he was
40:16
Speaker 1: just did a moment though, so it's fine.
40:20
Speaker 3: And Okay, that's scary then, Like, why do you think
40:24
Speaker 3: his automatic reaction should be to kiss someone? Like that
40:28
Speaker 3: is a punch from me, like if you touching me,
40:30
Speaker 3: if you're touching me in any weird way in general,
40:32
Speaker 3: a kiss like a need of the balls or something,
40:35
Speaker 3: because like that's your reaction, that's your instinct, not that's
40:39
Speaker 3: my instinct.
40:40
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that's the thing, is I really? I I
40:44
Speaker 1: went on the whole history of this. I was reading
40:47
Speaker 1: about it, and there were just so many instances of
40:50
Speaker 1: women's same life froze because I felt like I was.
40:53
Speaker 1: I didn't know what was happening. I didn't know what
40:54
Speaker 1: to do. I didn't feel safe. I knew he was
40:55
Speaker 1: like more power than me. If you look at the picture,
41:00
Speaker 1: which it's unfortunate and you can find it, it doesn't
41:03
Speaker 1: it looks really aggressive like it doesn't.
41:06
Speaker 3: It does.
41:06
Speaker 1: It's a very forceful and she's just like still not reciprocating,
41:12
Speaker 1: like and then and then he went on and said
41:15
Speaker 1: like we're gonna go and get married, like he didn't
41:17
Speaker 1: like let up. And then I think that is it
41:20
Speaker 1: President of Spain Prime Minister saying he was like this
41:23
Speaker 1: apology is not enough, like it's become this whole thing
41:28
Speaker 1: when they should just be allowed to acceelebrate without a
41:32
Speaker 1: man coming in.
41:37
Speaker 2: Which is why I also, I was happy that the
41:39
Speaker 2: Queen of Spain's there, and I was like, yes, it
41:42
Speaker 2: is and there all of their interactions were totally appropriate.
41:45
Speaker 2: There was no weirdness there.
41:48
Speaker 3: But that's the This is the part is like for
41:50
Speaker 3: the star player, this is the moment that's pictured everywhere.
41:53
Speaker 3: This would piss me off. That's the picture. That's the
41:56
Speaker 3: picture that people are gonna remember.
41:59
Speaker 2: Why Jenior I'm also is one of them, like the
42:02
Speaker 2: best players in the world bar none. So the fact
42:05
Speaker 2: that that he even has to be associated with that
42:07
Speaker 2: instead of her accomplishments as a soccer player, that sucks.
42:12
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that was that was the psychology I was
42:16
Speaker 1: reading behind. It was it's always like, let me make
42:22
Speaker 1: this celebration about me, let me make sure I'm when
42:25
Speaker 1: men do it. It's like, let me make sure I
42:28
Speaker 1: am showing like I am the dominant person here.
42:32
Speaker 3: And the way he aggressively grabs her head, Yeah.
42:36
Speaker 1: It does suck. I hate that. I hate it. I
42:40
Speaker 1: hate it.
42:42
Speaker 3: Well, did you actually read the statement that he makes
42:45
Speaker 3: as the apology. Now that I'm reading, I'm like, oh, yeah,
42:47
Speaker 3: he's an whole like just straightforward, like it says, I
42:51
Speaker 3: have to apologize. There's no other option, right, he says
42:55
Speaker 3: in the video. And furthermore, learn from this and understand
42:59
Speaker 3: that when you are president of an institution as important
43:02
Speaker 3: as the Federation, you have to be more careful, especially
43:05
Speaker 3: in ceramony. So all of that was like no, so
43:09
Speaker 3: you don't understand. And even if it wasn't a ceremony,
43:13
Speaker 3: that's wrong. What do you do this on the daily?
43:17
Speaker 3: That's questions? Then we need a lot.
43:18
Speaker 1: Of question Yeah, well, I mean, like I said, that's assault.
43:22
Speaker 1: Like I said, I believe it was thirteen to fifteen
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Speaker 1: players like refused to play under him until they made changes.
43:32
Speaker 1: So you're probably spot on Smith that. I'm sure he
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Speaker 1: is a complete douche. He has done this before, like
43:41
Speaker 1: with cameras not there.
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Speaker 3: Well, I'm questioning yeah, I'm questioning if there's going to
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Speaker 3: be like a me too through that organization because that's
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Speaker 3: heavy handidly like obvious that he thinks he has that right.
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Speaker 3: So what does that mean? Yep ooh, congratulations really honestly.
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Speaker 2: Like, good job.
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Speaker 1: I hate it, I really hate it he did this,
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Speaker 1: But yeah, I just wanted to. I knew he had
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Speaker 1: to talk about that. But I guess, is there like
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Speaker 1: a high not or is there something we can end
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Speaker 1: on on the high note? Is there anything you're looking
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Speaker 1: forward to any other I don't know, happier thing that
44:32
Speaker 1: we can end on.
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Speaker 2: This is not like an actual soccer moment. It's just
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Speaker 2: a moment that happened on the internet. Really. When the
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Speaker 2: US was eliminated, like I said, there was tons of backlash,
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Speaker 2: even from former US women's players. Carly Lloyd, who's now
44:49
Speaker 2: an announcer and you know, talked about how this team
44:54
Speaker 2: was didn't the culture was different from when she was
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Speaker 2: a player, and that the work pick wasn't there, and
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Speaker 2: she made she made disparaging remarks about uh Repino smiling
45:06
Speaker 2: after she missed her final PK of her career, essentially,
45:12
Speaker 2: and I think what was inspiring to me was to
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Speaker 2: see all of her, all of the actual team members
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Speaker 2: come back and use their platforms to say, hey, we're here.
45:25
Speaker 2: We know this is what your expectation was. But don't
45:27
Speaker 2: you dare say we don't work hard. You know, some
45:30
Speaker 2: people laugh when they're sad and uncomfortable, So like you
45:35
Speaker 2: want us to smile, you don't want us to smile.
45:37
Speaker 2: Which one is it? Make up your mind. But they
45:39
Speaker 2: were there for each other as a team, and they
45:42
Speaker 2: you know, their cohesiveness and their willingness to stand up
45:44
Speaker 2: for themselves and each other. I think that that's the
45:49
Speaker 2: big takeaway from this is just the representation and these
45:53
Speaker 2: beautiful humans using their platform for good. Yeah.
45:57
Speaker 3: The haters, yeah, exactly, the maters, but also ununity. I
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Speaker 3: love to see that. That's amazing.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And going back to what you said, I love
46:08
Speaker 1: that for younger people who maybe are you know, you
46:13
Speaker 1: trying to watch women's sports as a child and getting
46:16
Speaker 1: kind of made fun of for it, Like maybe that's
46:18
Speaker 1: shifting and being able to see this and being inspired
46:22
Speaker 1: by it, whether that is just finding your friend that
46:26
Speaker 1: you're competitive with and have fun with, or going up
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Speaker 1: to the national international level or whatever it is. Like
46:36
Speaker 1: I think a lot of times when we say inspired,
46:38
Speaker 1: it feels like you have to be like the best
46:39
Speaker 1: star ever. But it could really be like you just oh,
46:43
Speaker 1: maybe I want to go play that, and then you
46:44
Speaker 1: make friends through that and then something happens through that.
46:47
Speaker 1: I think that's really powerful. And I think that having
46:50
Speaker 1: these people to watch and to look up to and
46:55
Speaker 1: seeing how they are unified and have each other's backs
46:58
Speaker 1: and how they have these platforms and what they're standing
47:01
Speaker 1: for like that is really powerful. And they really like
47:07
Speaker 1: they really have been vocal about about like equal pay,
47:13
Speaker 1: about queer rights and about mental health, like all of
47:17
Speaker 1: these things they really have and so I think that's
47:20
Speaker 1: usually important too. So yeah, good things.
47:27
Speaker 3: There are good things.
47:29
Speaker 1: There are there are Perhaps Whitney and I shall have
47:33
Speaker 1: a rematch. I don't know what's sport.
47:38
Speaker 3: I was gonna say. You have yet to say which
47:40
Speaker 3: sport you know are really competitive out than where you
47:42
Speaker 3: got when you got everyone. It's one of the things
47:45
Speaker 3: like when you do your yearly trip to the beach
47:47
Speaker 3: and then have your Olympics, which are yes.
47:52
Speaker 2: People know the Olympics. I just want you to know.
47:54
Speaker 2: I won the most gold medals in the defeated wops
48:01
Speaker 2: my own horn. I also would like it to be
48:05
Speaker 2: on record that I once beat Annie at Star Wars
48:08
Speaker 2: Sate and we don't need to go into that anymore.
48:16
Speaker 1: Infamous moment. How dare you? Was I supposed to know
48:19
Speaker 1: that that was top of the hut?
48:24
Speaker 2: And yet, for those of you that don't know me
48:28
Speaker 2: any Star Wars knowledge is far to pass his mind.
48:31
Speaker 2: So it was just a very triumphant moment.
48:33
Speaker 3: It is a good moment.
48:34
Speaker 1: I clearly remember that the loss.
48:40
Speaker 3: I knew about it before I've met you.
48:42
Speaker 1: So yeah, the story tales of the halls of any friendship.
48:49
Speaker 1: That a plaque or something for sure, that's true. That's true.
48:55
Speaker 1: I still have Star Wars seen it. I don't know
48:57
Speaker 1: if I could stomach it again.
48:59
Speaker 3: But maybe losing so hard she's just too bad.
49:04
Speaker 1: I like how you said so hard. I don't whatever
49:08
Speaker 1: you lost.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you lose, yeah.
49:11
Speaker 1: It was bad. It stuck with me.
49:14
Speaker 2: But I learned, and yet and yet we remain, and.
49:19
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're still friends.
49:21
Speaker 1: That's good sports, Yes, good sports. Sports. Well, thank you
49:30
Speaker 1: so much for coming on, Whitney. This has been so fun.
49:34
Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. I've enjoyed myself. Hopefully This
49:37
Speaker 2: was a good conversation. I think it was.
49:39
Speaker 1: It was Oh, I think so, I think so, And
49:42
Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll have you back a lot. You're our
49:44
Speaker 1: soccer expert, so anytime.
49:46
Speaker 3: Now you are, yeah, soccer correspondent.
49:50
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49:55
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