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"Show Must Go On" episode 195 · DMV Mess Hall

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This is Will Montgomery, former Washington Redskins center.
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Y'all what's good, folks? This is Trey Johnson, the
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Headbanger, y'all, and you're listening to Mess Hall with
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Valley Captain and tailgate Ted Bird.
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What's going on, Rally You ready for that long car ride or bus
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ride up to New York? Well, I guess I'd rather have
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that than in seven and a half hour fight to Madrid.
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I hear you. Actually.
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I didn't think the flight to Madrid was that bad just because
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it was an overnight one for me. Did you leave at night time and
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wake up there or how'd you get out there?
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Yeah, we left basically at six or seven in the evening and then
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got there in the morning. I mean, it wasn't bad, but at
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the same time just, I don't know, just being in the same
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spot, knowing that you've got 7 hours or whatever have you to,
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to do nothing basically. At least on this bus trip, we'll
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have music. We'll have interaction amongst
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all the other fans on the bus so and we're taking 255 passenger
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buses so I'll be on one bus and Mitch Rally will be on the other
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one. That's awesome.
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And so you guys are taking. So that's going to be 110 people
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up or just in general, you know, right around there.
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About 105 because we got to have the back seat for our drinks.
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There you go. I'm assuming there's a bathroom
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on the back of that bus. People are having a good time
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because I've seen some videos, at least from the ones last year
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during the during the run. You guys it, it seemed to be a
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freaking blast, man. Oh yeah, people have a good
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time. And yes, there are bathrooms.
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And the bus driver will tell you this bathroom is for number
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ones, not number twos. So no breakfast burritos before
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people. Jump on that bus, please.
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No. Yeah, I, I made the mistake of
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grabbing some Anita's burritos one time.
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Actually, I usually take the train to New York, but a bus
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with, you know, 55 of my friends on it sounds a hell of a lot
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better time than actually just taking the train up there.
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I I texted you last week when you were out there in Minnesota
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saying I was bummed to not be out there.
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Ticket prices are dropping for this game.
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JP Finley was talking about, I think getting uppers for 20
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something dollars at this point and we'll talk about it in a
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minute. Now that Jaden's out officially,
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I'm sure prices are probably going to drop a little bit more
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and those of you looking to, you know, little road trip up 95,
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regardless of what we're looking like this season, it's still a
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good time and we still got a good chance to take down the
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Giants. And it's still NFL game.
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So, you know, put your layers on and let's just go have a good
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time and have some good food, good company, adult beverages.
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And and that's, that's what it's all about, man, that I always
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try to tell people sometimes, you know, what happens before
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the game is some of the best times.
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And so this is going to hold true to that as well, because
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who knows what's going to happen on the field, but all you can do
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is control what you can control. So I'm looking forward to.
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It Speaking of what's happened before the game, you're
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obviously doing a rally out there.
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I got the information. Assuming you don't have it all,
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at least got the information with the address and everything
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else. So when's it going to be and
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where's it going to be? It's going to be at Dorian's Red
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Hand in New York City. Nice.
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From 4:00 to 6:00, I've got to, I've got to get back.
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That's downtown New York City, 1616 2nd Ave.
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New York, NY 10028. So those of our listeners that
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are actually going to be up there the day before, stop by,
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make sure you swing on through is going to be appearances by
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some Washington legends, a chance to win a sign football
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giveaways. Speaking of which, what I'm
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rocking right now is a giveaway that the commanders had during
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the rally in Madrid. So not saying you're going to
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have, you know, something like this floating out there.
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But no, please don't, please don't because we will not have
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that good a swag that you have on right there brother.
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But hey, it looks good on you. I appreciate the staff at the
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Irish Rover was wearing this and the place hadn't opened yet.
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So I'm sitting there looking at my wallet, trying to count how
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many euro I have to try and buy someone's shirt off of them that
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was working at the bar. So they can.
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All right. If I give this guy like €30,
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right, he'll probably give me his shirt.
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You know, we look, we look to be the same size.
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Let's see if I can. So I had in Google Translate,
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can I give you this for your shirt, which probably would have
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sounded weird. Luckily they opened the door and
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they had some of the staff inside handing these shirts out.
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So I don't have to bribe a guy, literally put the shirt off his
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back. But I have seen the swag that
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you guys have been given out and there been some cool shirts and
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some different stuff out there. So you guys get there, make sure
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you try and grab some of that stuff before it's gone.
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Definitely because they give me a limited supply and that's why
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I say while supplies last because literally people line up
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and it's one of the first thing that they want.
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You know you can have A50 bottle openers, but the fact they're
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giving you one for free again, you're going to take it so.
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Because people lie. People start lining up.
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You don't even ask. People just start lining up when
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they get there because they want that same major teddy key chain.
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Right. They have maybe 4 keys total but
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they've got 16 key chains because they've been going to
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all your rallies and they just won a 17th so and maybe it's a
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holiday season and they're giving you away a stocking.
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Stuffers the family. Secret Santa.
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That's right. You know, maybe you know, if
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someone's white elephant, because I would definitely take
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that if it was someone's white elephant present, but it's it's
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going to be a blast. Dorian's I know always is a good
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time and I I just can't. I know you what you're doing
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because SBE fence you got to come back down.
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I just can't believe you're going up to New York for the
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rally and then you're coming back down and then you're
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hopping back up on the bus the very next day.
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So to me man, that has some freaking commitment and another
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reason why you are our Fan of the Year.
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You know, Ted, I I didn't even really realize that that's what
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I was doing until you just said that.
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Even though I know I'm doing it, I just, it's one of those things
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to where and the show must go on.
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And so I am the rally captain and I will keep the show going
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on. So yeah, man, I, I, I just, you
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just brought it back to reality. I hear you, man.
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And it's, you know, I, I got people that are giving me a hard
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time because I've mentioned before I'm, I'm skipping the
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holidays with the family to watch our football team on
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Christmas Day. Like, oh, how are you doing
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that? What's going on?
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What's wrong with you? Why are you, you know, not
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spending time with them? Like, there's a lot of reasons
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behind the scenes, right? Why I'm not doing that for
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financial obligations because it is just expensive to travel
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around the holidays. The other part of it is the
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rallies are your thing, right? You are our rally captain.
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These rallies would not be happening without you.
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My tailgate does not go on without me.
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I got a lot of men and women behind the scenes, but we are
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the destination for a lot of people that come in from Europe
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and just all over the place. I don't have a place to call
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home, so that's why I'm not canceling it even though I have
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been asked by a lot of people to please just not have one.
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I have not missed a home game since I've had season tickets
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and I ain't going to start now. I don't care if we're 3 and 10
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or at that .3 and 12, whatever it may be still going to go on.
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Just like these rallies are still going to go on as long as
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you can find a venue that'll host you guys.
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Yeah, and, and and that's what my saying, the other saying that
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I have O and 17 or 17 and O we ripped the burgundy and gold
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until the day we're dead and cold.
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That's just how it is. And that's that's not going to
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change. It just isn't.
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So I don't care how much you try to talk me out of it, how much
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you try to say it's a waste. It's my waste, it's not yours.
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So you do you and let me do me and be in my happy space.
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You know, so we all have one. I don't bother people when
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they're kicking their trash cans down the road.
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So let me have a good time with my rallies and and my Burgundy
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and Gold family. Yeah, I, I hear you, man.
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And that's, that's what I am envious of, right?
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I'm not envious of the game. I'm envious of the camaraderie
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and the stories that are going to come out of that bus trip,
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right? It's just those are memories
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that are priceless. You know, the season has
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definitely been a waste, right? And it's not where we'd all had
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thought it was going to be. To go from winning 14 games last
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year to now potentially only winning what, 5-6 more?
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I whatever the hell we can possibly get to.
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It's it's upsetting. And you know, to get the
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heartbreaking news today that Jaden's not playing on Sunday
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and those that have not heard, Coach had his press conference
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and yes, on Monday rally and I talked about it.
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He did say that there was nothing structurally wrong with
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Jayden. Well, instead of hearing it, for
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me, this is actually what DQ had to say about his status today.
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Jayden and where we're at. So he did re aggravate his elbow
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injury in the game. No structural setbacks.
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However, through the medical evaluations, you know, over the
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last couple days, including this morning, doctors advised us we
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hold them this Sunday. And so Marcus will start and
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really bumped for Jaden. Like he is working incredibly
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hard to get back on the field with his guys and so tough,
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tough deal. He's absolutely going for it.
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So wanted to get that out as we got started and glad to open up
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to you guys and get rolling as we get ready for Giants do.
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You anticipate him coming back this season and what's again the
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value, I guess, with all three. Well, I know that's why I wanted
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to come out. He's going to be out this week
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of practice as as as we're going in a limited fashion, but let's
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see where we're at next week. We're always going to make the
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best decisions, John, for him, you know, for the team with the
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medical, you know, opinions are so kind of just wanted to give
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you that information today and then we can work into next week,
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next week. I just want to clarify one
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thing. You said after the game that he
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was. He could have gone back in to
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this was discovered further imaging on Monday.
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Yeah, the imaging was good. So there's no structural
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setbacks. But just like most players, you
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talk to him on a Sunday and then again what Monday feels like and
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not quite the same of, you know, swelling or strength and those
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things to go into it. So it's confirmed no structural
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in the evaluation at the game and then again this week.
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So what did you think? Because I I texted you.
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I knew you were going to hear it, but I texted you when DQ
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came out with it because I literally sit there and wait for
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his press conference to drop so I can record them and then get
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them ready for the show. But I also want to, you know,
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know, for my own edification what's going on.
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What did you think when you heard that Jaden's out?
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I really didn't think anything did.
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That's just and and I know that doesn't do well for for our
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listeners, but if, if I'm going to give it to you, the real me,
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it didn't do anything for me because at this juncture in the
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season, if we need to sit him, sit him if he's not healthy.
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I've always said if you're healthy, you play.
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If you're not healthy, you don't play.
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And it seems as if they've made a business decision to sit him
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down. If you tell me that there's
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nothing wrong, then who am I to second guess to say you should
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play them? If the if, if the doctors clear
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them to play, play them. If they don't sit them.
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And it sounds like they've said don't play them.
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And because of that, I'm OK. If they said he was OK to play
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and, and for whatever reason he's not playing, then I got a
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problem with that. Even though we only have three
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games, the more to play and and virtually.
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If you people want to say for the sake of conversation nothing
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to play for then I have a problem.
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But they say he's not OK and I'm OK with their answer.
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What about you? So the past couple days I've
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just been dealing with a bunch of Washington fans just angry
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that Jayden played this past week, right?
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He never should have played against the Vikings, blah, blah,
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blah, right? Even though he was medically
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cleared and he was fine and he passed all the tests.
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I've got people saying, look at him.
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He's, you know, he's got, he's wearing a brace.
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He shouldn't be out there. Hate to break it to you guys.
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It was week 14. How many players wear braces,
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right? And it was just patting on his
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elbow. Then I'm sitting there having
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people say, well, look, he he was obviously favoring his left
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arm. He never should have been out
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there. So then I cut up clips of
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literally couple of Jaden's runs where he dove and put down that
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left arm to brace his fault. If you are favoring a body part,
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you are going to try and shy away from using that body part.
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Not when you're running around, diving, then using that body
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part to brace your impact on the ground, right?
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2 examples of that I showed this one guy.
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He also used that left arm to stiff arm.
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John Allen in the face. I think some of that was just
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self preservation for John, you know, trying to demolish him and
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just destroy him at that point. But when he got thrown like a
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rag doll on that last play and DQ said he could have gone back
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in but they held him out because the team wasn't firing on all
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cylinders, I'm thinking he probably could have gone back in
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because adrenaline is a hell of a thing.
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Oh yeah. And structurally they didn't see
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anything wrong with it. But that doesn't mean that
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there's not a bone bruise because that isn't structural,
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right? And I don't want to speculate on
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what it is. But now you've got people in the
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fan base that are calling him soft.
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You've got people that are coming back and attacking the
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young man, which bothers me personally because best believe
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if that kid showed us anything last year it's he is a
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competitor through and through and now you're blaming him for a
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decision that is not his about the fact that he cannot play or
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will not play on Sunday. These doctors sole job is to
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take the decision out of the player's hands and out of the
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coach's hands. And if the doctor say he can't
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go, then he can't go. Plain and simple.
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Exactly, exactly. And I'll say this, if any of
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these people who are saying that he's soft have played in the
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NFL, then maybe I'll listen to him.
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Maybe. If not, hit the road, man.
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And Madden with AVR headset on doesn't count.
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No. Just like a cowboy fan from DC
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that had a layover in Dallas doesn't count that you've
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actually been to Dallas. All right, so I just you guys
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need to slow your roll coming after this kid.
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It it's it cracks me up because either the same people that were
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on his jock last year. And yes, I have been very
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adamant that he should play. But I also said that if he is
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healthy and he is clear, right? That's the caveat.
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DQ said he re aggravated his elbow injury.
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I cannot imagine being thrown to the turf like that, running full
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speed, trying to make a play for your team at that point.
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Yes, it was because he threw an interception, but he's still
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trying to make a play and landing on that thing.
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So he's banged up and some people are saying ownership came
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down and they don't want to play.
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No one knows the truth. We're not going to find it out.
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So regardless, we're not going to see him and we're going to
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get behind Marcus and see what happens from there.
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Yeah, now we. Don't.
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We don't have a choice. Go ahead.
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I think I know your answer, but we've got after this, we've got
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what, the Eagles, the Cowboys and the Eagles.
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Should he try and come back out and will he?
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John Kime asked DQ no. Is he done for the season?
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And Quinn said they're not making that determination.
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But do you think he'll be back out there and do you think he
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should be back out there if he is healthy, knowing we have
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three games left? If he is healthy and they give
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him a clean bill of health, definitely he's a football
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player. A part of.
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I'm not going to say that. What I'm going to say is he's a
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football player. He gets played, he gets paid
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handsomely to play football. Then we've always said if you're
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healthy, you play, if if you're not, don't.
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Do you think that Chris Rodriguez wants to run the ball
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When when they think that, well, I got nothing to play for.
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How about I let somebody come from the second Stringer,
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whoever that may be, whether it be Mcnichols or whether it be
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Bill? You think he's going to give his
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spot up just because there's nothing to play for?
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No, he's going to play because ultimately you don't want
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someone who can come in and take your job due to injury.
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You don't want it or not playing.
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And that's where we are. I got people at my job saying,
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hey, do you think we ought to be looking for another quarterback
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next year? Because this guy's injury prone.
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And I'm like, man, I don't see him being injury prone.
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I just see him having just a bad set of circumstances and it
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happens. So you know it's football, it's
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going to happen. You keep trudging alone.
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So I'm going to throw it back on you.
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Should he play if he's cleared with these three games left?
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Two games left. Yeah, he should, right.
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And he right now in my opinion is not seeing the field like he
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did last year. And I went back to watch all 22
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just of him this year, right. And basically his incomplete
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pass is what I went back and watched going through because on
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the NFL Pro, you can sit there and put in different
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characteristics and it just narrows down all the stuff that
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needs that. So all of his incomplete throws,
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you can just go through there and look right or his scrambles
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and looking at that. He just does not appear to see
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the field like he did last year. Some of that is defenses
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adjusting to Cliff's offense and play calls and the routes are
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being run. Some of that is guys just not,
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you know, the talent that's on the field, right?
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Not to knock Robbie Chosen, but certain guys just not getting
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open, going out there with 13 personnel and you've got three
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tight ends. One of them is an offensive
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lineman. And the guy that's running that
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route wouldn't be a third string on another team, right?
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So it's just struggling from that perspective.
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But another part of it is Jaden just does not have reps, right?
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This was from one of Grant Paulson's tweets.
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Jaden Daniels has either been unavailable for or injured in 11
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of the Commanders 14 games this season.
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Right? The Giants game, stayed healthy.
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Green Bay game after that knee injury, Raiders didn't play
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after that, Falcons didn't play. He came back for the Chargers,
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stayed healthy for the Bears. He played, stayed healthy.
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Cowboys left with an injury hamstring the following game.
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Kansas City didn't play. Seattle left with an injury to
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his elbow. He didn't play versus Detroit,
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Miami or Denver. Minnesota left with an elbow,
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and then now he's not playing for the Giants, right?
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You tell me what player can get in any kind of rhythm knowing,
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A, you're not getting reps of practice because of all this,
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and B, you're not getting any reps on the field.
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And if there's a position that you need rhythm, it's
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quarterback. Definitely, definitely.
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I mean, we, we tried to think about his rookie year, the Tampa
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game, the, the, the three season games, you know, and he needed
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those reps and eventually he got them in.
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The more that he, that he, that he got, he was able to thrive.
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And so football, let's face it, you know, Ted is a timing.
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If, if the receivers 3 three yards and out that balls got to
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be out. If he's not used to it, it's
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going to look bad. You know, it's it's, it's like
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somebody who comes back from a injury, a hip injury or ankle
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injury, you know, they sit those guys out for a long time until
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that ankle heals up because you can't cut the same, you can't
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move the same. So let this young man heal up
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and if he's ready to go in two games and he's only got one game
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left, then by gosh, put him on the field and get him out there
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and, and let him end on a high note, if you will.
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Put him in position to succeed, not to fail so he can end on a
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high note. Because at the end of the day,
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we all got feelings. We all know, you know, damn, is
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this how I really want to go out?
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I've got nine months to Stew now over what could have been or
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what should have been, and we don't want that.
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So what do you say to those fans that are saying after the
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Earth's injury, and I know you haven't watched Hard Knocks yet,
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but basically talk about timing, right?
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Zach Ertz was miked up for Hard Knocks.
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He was miked up for Hard Knocks. The entire, I don't want to say
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the entire, but I'd want to say a majority of the Commander
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segment on Hard Knocks was the team honoring Zach Ertz.
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There was. And if you guys haven't watched
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yet, sorry, I'm going to spoil it for you.
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There was there was a spot where they were honoring Zach Ertz in
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the team room and the entire team is watching game film of
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ertz and I'm sure you guys have seen that video clip of that old
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person just kind of running down the field for a touchdown on an
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actual like professional football field.
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I think it was like a flag football game or something.
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They basically made it seem like that old guy running was ertz
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running, considering how slow he is when he catches the ball,
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right? And his team mates were just
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sitting there cheering for him. But what was tough was they
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showed the Earth's hit and he was miked up.
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And you can hear him after he gets hit and while he's actually
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getting hit. And then that entire process and
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he knows that it's done. And when I told you he was
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crying when I texted you, they've got him miked up crying
23:10
on that car coming out. So there's some fans that are
23:14
saying team is now gun shy because of what happened to ertz
23:20
and they're too scared to see that potentially happen to Jaden
23:23
and that's why he's not in there.
23:26
People will come up with anything to fit their narrative.
23:29
I mean, I, which, OK, how about this?
23:34
If that's what you want to believe, OK, believe it.
23:37
It's not my job to try to convince you otherwise.
23:40
Like some other things that have happened in the past, there are
23:42
a lot of people who believe certain things never happened,
23:46
but everybody saw it happen. So you think what you want to
23:50
think. I'll think what I want to think
23:52
and maybe we can meet in the middle and I don't have time for
23:56
it. I've got a I've got a lot of
23:58
stuff that I got to take care of and debating someone on on, on a
24:03
possible conspiracy theory or, or their thought process.
24:07
Hey, that knock yourself out. If that's what you want to fall,
24:12
fall on, fall on it. I'm not going to, but that's
24:16
what makes the world go round, Ted.
24:19
To me, these guys are football players, right?
24:21
And they know the sport they signed up for, they know the
24:23
career that they chose. And you can't treat somebody
24:26
with kid gloves. I don't care if they're your
24:28
quarterback or they're an offensive lineman or what.
24:31
And DQ has proven this past, you know, two years or year and you
24:36
know, 2/3 that he is a player's coach.
24:38
And he always looks out for the player's best interest but also
24:40
what's best for the team. This is DQ talking about.
24:43
They can't live their life scared.
24:45
Like the guy's a competitive player and we're not going to
24:48
live our whole life scared, I can promise you that.
24:50
But we're going to do everything and all the time, like great
24:54
decisions for him, for the team and where we're at.
24:56
But. Yeah, think about when the Bills
25:01
player Hamlin went down. Yeah, they they stopped playing
25:04
that game. But the next week, those guys
25:07
are out there cracking skulls and, and I hate to say that
25:10
literally, but that's just how it is.
25:12
Football is a violent sport. You know, no one resigned
25:17
afterwards. People understand and and it's
25:21
just the reality of the game. We don't want it to happen, but
25:29
we know that it can happen. And at any play, your career
25:33
could be over. Yeah, and that's the part of
25:38
football careers are so short. I mean, it's a mini car wreck.
25:42
Every time somebody gets tackled, somebody gets hit,
25:44
right? And nobody wants to see that
25:47
happen. We've got, you know, Drew Cohen,
25:49
right? You know, Drew Drew called him
25:51
to B Mitch and Finley and he's saying, well, we don't need
25:55
Jayden to turn into a Patrick Ramsey and have PTSD and just be
26:00
shell shocked from all the hits he's taken.
26:02
Like he's not taking a ton of hits, right?
26:06
It's just the times he's gotten hurt have been unbelievably
26:10
awkward and just fluke. The elbow dislocation was just a
26:16
fluke accident that happened, right?
26:18
And this is just exacerbated off of that original one, right?
26:23
He's been hurt in the pocket when he scrambles.
26:26
He's been diving and not taking a ton of hits.
26:29
I also think he's scrambling because he's not seeing the
26:31
pocket well and not feeling the pressure well.
26:34
But to me it's important for him to get back on the field.
26:39
This is actually DQ saying why it's important for Jayden to be
26:43
back out there and IT coach. Just looking back to last week,
26:47
we know that Jayden had the great practice and that he was
26:50
trending in the right direction and such.
26:52
Why was it important that he did get back on the field with his
26:56
teammates and look to lead his squad?
26:58
Yeah, there's so much to gain from playing and I think Howard
27:00
was were saying that earlier about reps and you know, at that
27:04
point we're probably talking about 30% of the season to go
27:06
and to gain experience. And so all of that matters in
27:10
your development. Like we're we're looking to keep
27:13
developing him for, you know, for a really long time.
27:16
And so if there was a chance to improve over these next, you
27:20
know, games ahead, like we're going to go after that as hard
27:22
as we could, knowing that it would pay dividends in the
27:25
future. And so when you have a set back
27:28
like that happened, obviously, you know, we're bummed for him,
27:30
We're bummed for us. And yeah, that's the one thing
27:34
you didn't want to happen, you know, happened.
27:36
So now we'll, you know, move into this week, Marks be the
27:39
starter. But you know, we're pleased with
27:42
where it was going into the game, you know, him coming back
27:45
and being ready so. I got a question for you then
27:49
last game of the season hypothetically and he's he plays
27:56
but he doesn't look good and the score is the 7 to 7
28:02
hypothetically or or 07 the opposing team is winning.
28:07
Do you keep him in the game if he's not playing good or do you
28:10
pull him? No, I mean it the game is within
28:14
reach the you're not one sided, right?
28:17
And I think what happened in that Vikings game is the offense
28:20
became 1 sided right when we didn't get that touchdown on the
28:24
goal line and we're down 14, nothing.
28:27
I think eventually 17, nothing. It allowed a blitz happy Vikings
28:31
team to pin their ears back and just come after them.
28:35
So you had to get out of your offensive playbook.
28:37
If the game is that close, even if he's not playing well, you
28:40
keep him in there because you've got to fight through the
28:44
difficulties. You can't just pack up and quit.
28:48
And that to me is what a lot of fans want to do, at least the
28:52
vocal minority that's on social media.
28:55
But when are you going to get practice?
28:56
When are you going to get reps? I mean, during Hard Knocks,
28:59
there was a shot, I think it was at 5:00 in the morning when
29:02
you've got Cliff and Jayden running through the script and
29:07
you get Cliff and Jayden in the bubble that early in the morning
29:10
working on stuff. But guess what?
29:12
He's thrown against the air, right?
29:15
And there's videos of Jayden today at practice from Nikki
29:19
Javala and Jon Kime and all the beat reporters out there.
29:21
And Jayden looks great, but he's throwing against there, right?
29:25
Yeah. You need to face those live
29:27
wraps. And he's not going to get that
29:29
during any practice or any OTA workout or mini camper training
29:34
camp. Especially when you got the
29:37
yellow jersey on and they can't touch you.
29:40
So it's totally different than that 300 pound, 300 plus pound
29:44
guy running at you and who just happens to touch you with his
29:52
index on that bruise. How many times have we seen
29:55
these movies where somebody's injured and they want to get
30:00
them to talk and all they do is just put that finger right there
30:03
in that little injury spot and you sing like a Canary.
30:07
So, you know, let let's let's put it in perspective people.
30:11
If if he's not good, he's not good, but if he is healthy, you
30:15
play him. Yeah, and I think those people,
30:20
they're just, they're dead set. Nothing we say or nothing comes
30:24
out is going to change your mind.
30:25
Or you've got Doc Walker, you got Brian Mitchell, you've got,
30:28
you know, Joe Theismann, you've got Jay Bruin.
30:32
You've got people that have played this game at its highest
30:34
level, coach, this game at its highest level.
30:36
I'm not talking beat reporters. I'm not talking, you know, guys
30:39
that have only covered it from the sideline.
30:42
I'm talking about guys that have actually played it all saying he
30:45
should be out there. But yet you, you know, sideline
30:49
Adam Peters, you know, couch Adam Peters thinks he shouldn't
30:52
because you don't want to risk something happening to him.
30:56
Well, guess what? Next year, every time he steps
30:58
on that field, there's a risk of something happening.
31:01
So at this point, you know, there's nothing else I can or
31:05
even feel like saying to those people that think he should shit
31:09
for the rest of the season and we'll just take it week by week
31:12
right now. This week we got the Giants,
31:15
we're underdogs going up to the Meadowlands.
31:18
And I, I honestly don't know what to expect out of this team.
31:27
People have been trying to find out what this team's identity is
31:30
that Doc Walker was talking about the other day on his show.
31:33
Like, I don't know what our team identity is.
31:37
I, I, I can't pinpoint it on anything, right?
31:41
We are a heavy run team. We lead the league in stats when
31:45
it comes to running, but yet we don't want to run the ball,
31:49
right? Yet Kingsbury doesn't want to do
31:51
it. We were the number 4th rushing
31:53
offense in the league. A lot of that has to do with
31:56
the, you know, quarterback scrambling and this and that,
31:58
but yet we still try and be a pass happy offense.
32:02
I just don't know what these guys actual identity is.
32:06
So I don't know what we're going to see up there in the
32:08
Meadowlands on Sunday afternoon. With that being said, when does
32:15
general manager ownership say, hey, why did you guys run the
32:20
pass the ball three times while you're on the 1 yard line?
32:23
Do you think they have those conversations or do you think
32:25
they just let it go or, or who has that conversation?
32:29
Does does does Dan Quinn have it with with Cliff and I think.
32:33
Yeah, go. Ahead and and if so, is he
32:36
saying, hey man, I can't have this, you know, we can't have
32:40
this your, your job's on the line because ultimately my job's
32:45
on the line. So, you know, we we all have to
32:49
answer to someone. So is DQ answering to the owners
32:53
or Adam Peters or whatever have you?
32:55
And then it comes down here, rolls downhill, you know,
32:59
because ultimately those are the questions that I need answered
33:03
as a fan. Why are you, why are you passing
33:07
the ball three times and you're on the 2 yard line?
33:09
And that's why I said, tell me you don't want to win a football
33:12
game without telling me you don't want to win a football
33:14
game. And that's to me, one of the the
33:17
issues or aspects that I see. And if I see that exact same
33:21
thing up in New York, then we have our answer.
33:25
I hate to say it, we got our answer.
33:27
I don't think they're tanking right.
33:29
I don't think that they're trying to lose on purpose by any
33:31
means to get 53 guys to go along with that.
33:36
Just it's not it's not doable. There's so many guys on one year
33:39
deals that need to put up to Oh, I know that.
33:41
I'm just saying just so fans that are, you know, thinking
33:44
that in their head, right? There's so many guys on one year
33:48
deals, one year contracts that need to put up tape that are
33:50
playing for that next job next year or as a spot on this roster
33:54
this year, right. And I don't think that ownership
33:58
is coming down on DQ. I think ownership talks to
34:01
Peters and allows Peters to have those discussions.
34:03
But ownership was there at the locker room to greet DQ at the
34:09
end of the game against the Vikings, right?
34:12
I think I blame DQ for not the fact that that play was called
34:19
and DQ didn't try and shut it down, right?
34:22
And I understand that he wants to give his lieutenants
34:25
autonomy, right? It took him a long time to step
34:28
in and get rid of Joe Witt when it was obvious that Witt was
34:33
just outside of depth and could not handle the job.
34:37
But DQ said he hears all the play calls and he can chime in.
34:42
Well, he heard that play call to Brandon Coleman and let it go
34:46
through, right? And then you've got some of the
34:47
fan base saying, well, he was open for a second like, so if
34:51
Jaden beams that pass to Coleman, odds are it's going to
34:55
be incomplete or bounces off of him.
34:57
And that defenders there, if he lobs that ball to Coleman, the
35:01
guy's got offensive lineman pads.
35:03
You guys don't understand offensive lineman pads.
35:05
You can't raise your hands up in the air to catch a fade.
35:07
It doesn't happen like that. He lobs a thing up in the air.
35:11
That defender possibly could come back down and break on that
35:15
ball and catch that thing. Sorry it wasn't there.
35:17
I don't care what your eyes are showing you.
35:19
Realistically, that thing wasn't there.
35:21
But DQ has to file, tell him what he's trying to install that
35:25
play during practice because they have play installation.
35:29
I'm sitting there and I'm pulling freaking Kingsbury aside
35:31
and saying what the hell are you thinking?
35:33
We haven't won a game in 63 days and you're trying to get cute
35:36
with this crap. That's what I got a problem
35:39
with. And like you said, if we see
35:41
this again up there, that to me shows me that DQ, he might need
35:47
to man up a little bit and take just a firmer stance with his
35:51
coaching staff and not allow them to make these foolish
35:54
mistakes because it's just flat out foolish with some of these
35:57
things. Kingsbury's calling.
35:59
Well, I also think that that may be a way of him to make his
36:03
exit. Kingsbury.
36:05
Yeah, I, I, I because when you look at it the, the his play
36:10
calling the whole year has been just not mono a mono type of
36:16
football. When when we need it, when we
36:18
need mono, a mono football, we try to get pretty and a lot of
36:22
people have said that is what he does.
36:26
Yeah, that is, I mean that that is his his style of football.
36:30
And that's why he has moved on from the amount of teams that he
36:34
has because of that. So is this another stop for him
36:38
to move on to the to the to another team?
36:41
I don't know, but we as fans are frustrated and we're on the the
36:48
lower end. So if we're on the lower end,
36:53
once again, what is Peter's, what is ownership?
36:56
What are they thinking? Because I know what I'm thinking
36:59
and I don't like it. Yeah, and we're not going to
37:03
hear until Peter's does his end of season debrief, which a lot
37:10
of fans are saying I can't wait till the season's over just
37:12
because they're tired of watching.
37:13
I'm watching every single game. I'm watching every single snap,
37:15
every single wrap. But I cannot wait until that end
37:19
of season press conference so we can actually hear what's going
37:22
on because I had texted JP because D QS press conference
37:27
was cut off. I mentioned during the last show
37:29
it was cut off on Tell the Truth Monday.
37:32
So I texted JP and John Kime saying did anybody ask DQ again
37:37
about that play call? Because JP asked him and he said
37:40
I haven't looked at the tape yet.
37:41
Well, you had a chance to look at the tape and no one asked him
37:44
the question because of the big picture was what Kime said and
37:49
Jayden and everything else was Zach Ertz so I get that.
37:53
But these questions have to be asked.
37:56
They've got to be asking themselves that there, because
37:59
at a certain point, right, you've got no one to blame but
38:02
yourself if you don't do anything about it.
38:03
And I'm talking about DQ. Yeah, ultimately it falls on
38:08
your shoulders. You are the head coach.
38:09
You control everything like the quarterback.
38:14
You know, it all comes back on him.
38:17
No matter if we, if they lost, it comes back on him because
38:20
he's the quarterback. And I'm not even going to
38:24
speculate who they should get for OC next year.
38:27
This isn't that podcast. No, no.
38:30
Don't listen to our friends at, you know, George Carmy and Big
38:33
Dog or those guys for that kind of stuff.
38:36
But from my shot, you know, from Rally and I, we're talking about
38:39
fans perspective. And to me, it's obvious there's
38:43
some of you guys that aren't just even watching the game or
38:45
just chiming in during the highlights or low lights, if you
38:48
will. And I ain't got time for that
38:51
either, right? If I I don't blame you guys for
38:53
not watching the game, right? Other things come up and this
38:55
and that. Just don't chime in if you don't
38:57
see what's going on. And that's the other part that
39:00
drives me slightly crazy where it's obvious and some of these
39:05
people online, they didn't turn it on this past week or else
39:08
they would have seen this happen.
39:10
They would have seen Chris Rodriguez running his ass off.
39:13
And the other part that I need to know why when C Rod gets
39:18
rolling, you give it the bill and put him in there.
39:22
Do you just want this Bill experiment to work so much
39:25
because you traded away Brian Robinson Junior and you want him
39:28
to work that you're just taking the rock out of Chris's hands?
39:32
Because that I also don't get changing up certain personnel
39:37
when they're moving or when they're getting in a groove.
39:39
Yeah, yeah. Get get what's do what you did
39:44
to get you down there. That's how I look at it.
39:47
And don't try to change up. Yeah, I understand that.
39:49
All right. Maybe different personnel gives
39:51
them a different look and they may think of maybe pass and
39:55
we're going to run or vice versa.
39:57
But stick with the people that got you there, you know, reward
40:01
the young man. That's how I always looked at
40:03
it. If a running back got you all
40:04
the way down to the two, then hey, OK, throw a pass, play in.
40:09
And if that's even not successful, then give it back to
40:12
that running back. Let him score.
40:13
Let him get his flowers. You, and I'm not saying this is
40:16
what happened, but you remember Varsity Blues, that that movie
40:20
with Van der Beek and all Ally Laura, all those people there.
40:25
Vaguely, yeah. Yeah, so there's the running
40:28
back that was just driving the ball down in that movie, and he
40:33
always got it to the goal line and the coach never let him
40:36
score, right. And that turned out being more
40:40
racial. I'm not saying this is what that
40:41
is by any means, but towards the end of the movie, the
40:46
quarterback said, screw that. We're running this play right.
40:51
Mariota, do it. You hear that stupid play come
40:55
in from him, check out of it, right, call an audible and then
40:58
do what's right and just get the ball in the ends out.
41:02
I'm tired of watching this lose man, and this will be how many
41:06
weeks and I, I don't. I've made AI made a video
41:09
talking about my victory steak and how I put it in the freezer.
41:12
Don't know why it's been seen 180,000 times.
41:14
People apparently love me not eating steak, right?
41:18
I want to defrost that thing this weekend.
41:20
I want to eat that New York strip, man.
41:22
And if we don't win this week, there is a good chance that DQ
41:27
could lose 12 games in a row to end this season, right?
41:31
The Eagles and the Cowboys are playing better football than us,
41:34
and this is our best chance to actually get another win before
41:38
the year's done. And and play spoiler.
41:42
If it doesn't happen, I would hate to see what goes on into
41:46
this offseason because you hear about fans talk about during the
41:49
bye week and this and that. Can you imagine an entire
41:52
offseason if that's how we end up this season?
41:55
We got a chance to stop that, stop the narrative this week up
41:57
against New York. Yeah, division rival, it can
42:02
happen. So I would love to, I would love
42:05
to know what they're installing. Do you give me your game
42:09
production man? What do you think?
42:10
What do you think happens on Sunday?
42:13
10/7 actually, I take that back. Jackson Dart is has been looking
42:21
really good outside of the concussion protocol.
42:24
They're coming off of a buy if I'm not mistaken.
42:27
They're healthy. They're healthy or healthier
42:30
possibly. I really don't follow the Giants
42:32
that much, but I see this being a close game, a really close
42:39
game, and there's a part of me that sees that how the Giants
42:46
can win this game because they got rid of their coach, I'm not
42:51
mistaken. Yeah, it's been gone for a
42:53
couple of weeks now. Yeah, he's been gone for a
42:55
couple weeks. So the new coach, he wants to
42:58
show what he has because he's buying for a coaching position.
43:01
There's so many levels and layers to this to where I don't
43:06
know what commander's team will come out there and Commander's
43:13
team, you guys know I love you, but you also know if you look in
43:17
the mirror it it hasn't been going good.
43:20
So I can't put my money behind it because I don't know.
43:24
Yeah, I'm about to win it, man. We're we're getting 2 1/2
43:27
points, right? The Giants are favored and it's
43:30
just it's insane. But we haven't won a game in how
43:33
many days, right? It's been over two months.
43:35
The over unders 46 1/2, I don't see that happening.
43:39
I just like you said, I mean we we laughed about it last week.
43:45
JD Mckissick, now Jeremy Mcnichols to get 9 yards. 9. 9
43:50
yards catch. It did did not happen right?
43:53
And I'm looking at some of these receiving props right now.
43:57
Let's see here Terry Mclaurin to get 61 yards over under 61
44:01
yards. I just I I don't know what's
44:03
going to happen. Mariota dumbfounds me, right?
44:06
There's sometimes where he looks like he should be a starter.
44:10
And then the overthrow they got. No, Zach Ertz's career ended,
44:15
right? I just, I don't know what's
44:17
going to happen. All I know is I'm not putting
44:19
any money on this game this weekend because I just don't.
44:23
I can't trust them until they prove to me that they can't be
44:26
trusted, if that makes sense. That makes total sense and I'm
44:30
right there with you. I will be putting money on other
44:34
games. How about that?
44:38
And I hate and I hate to say that, but I just I just don't
44:41
know because on one time, one side of the fence, we play
44:45
lights out against the Broncos and that's all We as fans just
44:48
wanted just play the exact same way you guys did and it didn't
44:52
happen. And here we are so well, the
44:59
music is playing lets me know this one is behind us as well.
45:07
I'll see you guys at Dorian's Red Hand at 4:00 on Saturday.
45:12
Make sure you're there because I've got this will end at 6:00.
45:18
You can stay later, but I got a flight to catch to get back for
45:21
this bus trip that we're going to have.
45:23
So I will see you guys Saturday and I'll see you guys on Sunday.
45:29
And remember, no matter what, you Rep it hard or you don't Rep
45:34
it at all. Rally Captain Tailgate, Ted.
45:38
We'll see you.