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The Saturated Breath — Peter Kelly on Water, the Unconscious, the Astral & the New Aeon · The Occult Rejects

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  Speaker 1: You see something's going to happen.
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  Speaker 2: What's going to happen? What help? Welcome back to the
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  Speaker 2: occult Rejects today. I'm joined by Peter Kelly, Mystic Magis,
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  Speaker 2: Alchemist and the Man behind the Golden Rose, and Kemsha Vu.
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  Speaker 2: Peter's newest work, The Saturated Breath, is an unusual book
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  Speaker 2: because it isn't presented simply as a collection of occult
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  Speaker 2: ideas or even as conventional poetry. Peter describes the eighteen
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  Speaker 2: poems within it as part of an initiatory journey through
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  Speaker 2: the element of water, moving into the unconscious, the astral intuition, surrender,
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  Speaker 2: emotional transformation, and deeper states of consciousness. It follows his
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  Speaker 2: earlier work The Phoenix Birth, which approached the journey through fire,
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  Speaker 2: while The Saturated Breath moves beneath that fiery surface and
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  Speaker 2: into what Peter describes as the water is below. There
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  Speaker 2: is a lot packed into that framework, alchemy, kabbala, Yesoude
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  Speaker 2: and malcouth, the astroplane, symbolism, prophecy, the great work, the
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  Speaker 2: New Aon, and ultimately the question of what initiation actually
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  Speaker 2: does to consciousness. So, rather than trying to explain Peter's
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  Speaker 2: system for him. I want to let him take us
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  Speaker 2: through it himself. But before we introduced Peter and talk
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  Speaker 2: about this book and his work, I got the other reject,
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  Speaker 2: sonre from the Order of Chaos with me today. What
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  Speaker 2: is going on? Sonray? How are you yo?
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  Speaker 3: Good to be back?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah? Things are good.
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  Speaker 3: I'm here in the new studio, which is this is
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  Speaker 3: great because it's like a large closet that I turned
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  Speaker 3: into a podcast space. Super happy about it, set up
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  Speaker 3: in a new place, everything's in normal, So good to
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  Speaker 3: be here, and uh yeah, this is very exciting. I'm
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  Speaker 3: excited to talk to you today, Peter.
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  Speaker 2: That is all, you know. It's what's funny. I was
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  Speaker 2: thinking about doing that with the place I just moved into.
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  Speaker 2: Their closet is so gigantic. I was like, yo, I
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  Speaker 2: could probably use this as a closet and still turn
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  Speaker 2: it into like a podcast studio.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: No, I was even joking. My girlfriend came over with
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  Speaker 2: a daughter to show with a place and I was like, oh, look,
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  Speaker 2: we could put a bet in here for you. You know,
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  Speaker 2: It's just like what that's how big it is. I
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  Speaker 2: was like, this is retardedly big, but I'm you know,
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  Speaker 2: I'm fine with it, but uh, good for you, man.
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  Speaker 2: I'm glad. I'm glad you don't move in and everything,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm glad to have you back on the show.
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  Speaker 2: It's been a minute and you're.
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  Speaker 3: Always such a nightmare man.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh god, yeah, please all right, Peter, mister mister
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  Speaker 2: Kelly himself. What is going on, Sarah? How are you please?
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  Speaker 2: Anything that I left out or anything you like to plug?
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  Speaker 2: Let everybody know what is up with you and where
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  Speaker 2: they can find all the amazing stuff.
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  Speaker 5: You know, I think you've.
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  Speaker 6: Opened it pretty well there. Yeah, I mean it's hard
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  Speaker 6: to put a label on these kind of this kind
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  Speaker 6: of work as we know ourselves. So it's yeah, lots
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  Speaker 6: to unpack and lots to always and when veil, we'll say,
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  Speaker 6: as we go through these layers and finding out what's
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  Speaker 6: layered and unconscious layers of humanity and the soul and
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  Speaker 6: where we come from and where we're going.
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  Speaker 5: So yeah, it's the infinity.
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  Speaker 6: Just these discussions I find really helped to open up
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  Speaker 6: things and learn from each other in the different languages
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  Speaker 6: that we use, in the different experience, in the way
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  Speaker 6: that we sens it, and to learn from each other
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  Speaker 6: and expand each other.
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  Speaker 5: So excited. I appreciate you having a son as well.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Of course. Of course, it's kind of like the discussion
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  Speaker 2: we were having before. How you know certain people you
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  Speaker 2: know scientists and are scientists or magician or you know
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  Speaker 2: somebody else you might be into some field of science.
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  Speaker 2: The different ways of saying probably the same thing we're saying,
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  Speaker 2: you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, even that too.
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  Speaker 4: Like the premise of my whole book.
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  Speaker 6: Man, Yeah, you can add to that as well, Like
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  Speaker 6: I mean, I always follow the journey of the human
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  Speaker 6: shadow as well in those cycles of like you know,
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  Speaker 6: who's who's on top. I suppose in society, you know,
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  Speaker 6: we had religion at certain stages. You know, science has
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  Speaker 6: been I supposed that leader of the field over the
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  Speaker 6: last while, and you know, it's like their language gets
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  Speaker 6: the top tier, and it's like if you're not speaking
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  Speaker 6: their language, you know, it's almost kind of pushed aside
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  Speaker 6: and it's not respected in a certain way. And like
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  Speaker 6: you know, as we were saying just before we started,
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  Speaker 6: like there's always a bridge, you know, I think that's
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  Speaker 6: some of the biggest misconceptions about the ancients is to
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  Speaker 6: think like that they were simple, they didn't have the
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  Speaker 6: complex language that we have today, So you have to
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  Speaker 6: kind of take that into factor and understand that they're
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  Speaker 6: speaking so deeply symbolically through the essence of these worlds
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  Speaker 6: that are actually symbols. And if you're allowed them to
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  Speaker 6: speak that way, you know, it's quite scientific, it's quite mathematic,
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  Speaker 6: as we know, but you have to give them the
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  Speaker 6: space to let that open. Rather than saying we're at
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  Speaker 6: the top pier in our language is the only.
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  Speaker 3: One, we'll say, yeah, totally.
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  Speaker 5: It's that journey that we take.
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  Speaker 6: And I think it's just understanding the human history as
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  Speaker 6: well of where we've been at the different times and you.
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  Speaker 5: Know, we've we've evolved.
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  Speaker 6: Of course, that we are evolving, and we see the
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  Speaker 6: world differently in different periods and different cultures, and we
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  Speaker 6: use different words, and I think that everything has to
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  Speaker 6: be inclusive, and obviously the time that we're in so
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  Speaker 6: important for that. Like you've see a lot of the
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  Speaker 6: ancient wisdom coming back, the ancient modalities and practices in
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  Speaker 6: all different areas.
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  Speaker 3: Which is that state of.
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  Speaker 5: Evolution that your managery is at, And that's what.
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  Speaker 6: We need to breach into the next stage is because
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  Speaker 6: you know, what we've had is on stagnant, so we
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  Speaker 6: need something new to go into something deeper, and I
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  Speaker 6: think that new thing is actually the old stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I hate There's a there's a line in
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  Speaker 3: the Kibellion that I love to reference and we kind
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  Speaker 3: of talk about this stuff, and it's that there's a
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  Speaker 3: vibration so high that it appears to be completely adressed,
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  Speaker 3: and you can also have a vibration so low that
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  Speaker 3: it appears to be completely arrested. And so that's and
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  Speaker 3: that's where they meet, right, And that's kind of an
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  Speaker 3: interesting description not only of affinity, but like columbing in
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  Speaker 3: full circle, like we come all the way back around
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  Speaker 3: and discut were the ancient Egyptians knew everything?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, and it's like it reminds me of that that
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  Speaker 6: symbol of the like the the spiral when we think
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  Speaker 6: about it, like you know, we start our life at
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  Speaker 6: the center and we know we were such as being
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  Speaker 6: in a race to get someplace, then we roughly Again,
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  Speaker 6: if you talk about Cabala that that number forty would
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  Speaker 6: they say you don't have to study towards and forty
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  Speaker 6: with the symbolic of the age of wisdom, you know,
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  Speaker 6: around that age of forty and again it doesn't have
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  Speaker 6: to be fixed in a number. But we reached the
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  Speaker 6: outside and we realize, oh, everything we actually seek was
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  Speaker 6: actually right back at the center, and we start to
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  Speaker 6: come back again and unfold.
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  Speaker 5: A lot of the wounds that we've picked up.
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  Speaker 6: We'll say, just as an example, or the limitations or
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  Speaker 6: the conditioning, as we've done that race to get away
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  Speaker 6: from the center and now try to make our way
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  Speaker 6: back and exactly that it's the same. It's just a
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  Speaker 6: different personification of the same thing.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 5: It's it's it's the paradox that we find.
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  Speaker 6: I think in it the whole time is the fact
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  Speaker 6: that like you know, it's it's we can get trapped
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  Speaker 6: in those contrasts, but yet it is really the same thing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like like what you're saying earlier, I have I
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  Speaker 2: think Sonre has even agreed with me or said the
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  Speaker 2: same thing. Where you know, Peter, do you think that
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  Speaker 2: you know, back in the day, were they actually maybe
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  Speaker 2: more technically evolved in us, just in different ways, you know,
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  Speaker 2: Like I do think like we're going back to remembering
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  Speaker 2: sciences in the cult science or in occultism and magic
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  Speaker 2: that was already known. That's what I believe. Do you
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  Speaker 2: think that's kind of what you're going through.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, No, definitely, I mean that that's a really good point, like,
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  Speaker 6: and that's something I really really stand by. And I
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  Speaker 6: think our understanding of technology is different, you know, now,
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  Speaker 6: our technology, like we think like it's this tech, it's
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  Speaker 6: this physical tech, whereas the only true technology, like in
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  Speaker 6: my personal experience, is the human system, is the sensated
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  Speaker 6: you know, experience of the human system.
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  Speaker 5: And I think that's one of the biggest traps that
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  Speaker 5: we have.
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  Speaker 6: Probably in our modern technological areas, the fact that you know,
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  Speaker 6: modern science is seeking well, let's do that language of
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  Speaker 6: the god particle in the Hadron collider. We'd say, I
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  Speaker 6: mean the god particle, that word particle is still there.
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  Speaker 6: So you're still seeking matter, you know, and obviously we
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  Speaker 6: know in these mystical traditions that matter is the last
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  Speaker 6: manifestation of spirit. So if you're seeking a particle, you're
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  Speaker 6: still seeking something in matter, So you're you're caught in
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  Speaker 6: the same trap.
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  Speaker 5: But again, like that was the ancients.
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  Speaker 6: Really it was an assument of the system because they
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  Speaker 6: didn't have, we say, what we consider modern physical technology.
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  Speaker 5: So it was really an expansion of consciousness, which is
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  Speaker 5: what the technology is, you know.
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  Speaker 6: And again you go to those ancient traditions of you know,
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  Speaker 6: like ancient Egypt, and you connect with with the with
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  Speaker 6: the hermeticism and the alchemy and the magi and what
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  Speaker 6: have you from the different cultures. I mean, that's what
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  Speaker 6: it is. It's the shamans in the cultures that we
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  Speaker 6: know as well, probably most familiar in today's world. But
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  Speaker 6: I mean that's what it is. It's a navigation of
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  Speaker 6: consciounce and that is the technology. You know, It's it's
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  Speaker 6: we are the technology.
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  Speaker 4: It's it's I.
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  Speaker 6: Suppose increasing the sensitivity. There's different ways of describing it.
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  Speaker 6: I think, like but increasing your your sensitivity, but being
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  Speaker 6: able to balance that so that it's actually readable and
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  Speaker 6: not something that overwhelms in fear. And that for me
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  Speaker 6: is the technology. And that's the technology that they had.
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  Speaker 6: Whereas I think we're coming into.
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  Speaker 5: Obviously a new age.
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  Speaker 6: Of course, we're always evolving where I think we need
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  Speaker 6: to find the merge and the balance between both technology
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  Speaker 6: is fantastic.
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  Speaker 5: You know that we were talking about a little bit
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  Speaker 5: about AI just before we started.
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  Speaker 6: Like, I mean, it has great values, like everything does,
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  Speaker 6: but like anything that goes out of balance.
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  Speaker 5: It creates a hindrance for us, you.
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  Speaker 3: Know how we use.
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  Speaker 6: M absolutely yeah, Like I mean it's you know, again
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  Speaker 6: going back to what you're you're saying earlier on accent
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  Speaker 6: about like the the AI like it's like, you know,
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  Speaker 6: it's it's even mentioned about the doing like books is, like,
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  Speaker 6: it's the human that's creating the AI with an intention,
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  Speaker 6: and that's that's what the shadow is. It's the human
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  Speaker 6: is you know, we are the conscious being. We'll say,
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  Speaker 6: that's just a kind of a withouten AI too much.
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  Speaker 6: It's a kind of a secondary consciousness which isn't really
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  Speaker 6: you know, natural, we'll say in a certain ways. So
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  Speaker 6: you know, has to come back to us being the master,
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  Speaker 6: you know, which is the centralized line of how we
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  Speaker 6: wield things.
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  Speaker 5: You know, there's a time where miss something and negative.
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  Speaker 6: There's a time when we wis something in positive but
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  Speaker 6: as long as we have mastery over it and it's
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  Speaker 6: not controlling where we go, you know. And but again,
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  Speaker 6: consciousness is technology.
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  Speaker 3: Really can I positive that we never learned that lesson
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  Speaker 3: within ourselves? Right, So if we mean maybe never what
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  Speaker 3: we've lost it at least today there's one of the
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  Speaker 3: things that I So I do a lot of client
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  Speaker 3: counseling where would just be one on one I help
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  Speaker 3: people with, you know, I call it mystic mindset, So
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  Speaker 3: like all the mental aspects of doing magic. And one
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  Speaker 3: of the things that has really occurred to me in
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  Speaker 3: the time that I've been doing this is how few
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  Speaker 3: people spend any time developing real emotional control, right, because
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  Speaker 3: you can be ruled by your emotions or you can
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  Speaker 3: have them in alignment and not. You don't want to
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  Speaker 3: suppress your emotions, obviously, but you want to you want
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  Speaker 3: to be the master of them and not be mastered
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  Speaker 3: about them. But the vast majority of people I think
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  Speaker 3: walking around on a planet or today are highly emotionally reactive.
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  Speaker 3: So if we can't even do that within ourselves, how
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  Speaker 3: are we going to do it outside of ourselves?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that's that's a really valid point.
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  Speaker 6: That kind of takes me to going into something about
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  Speaker 6: like this new way on it that that I talk
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  Speaker 6: about a lot, and of course more than myself speaks
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  Speaker 6: about it, like and again, humanity's evolution. I really feel
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  Speaker 6: like that's where we're at now. Obviously we're still having
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  Speaker 6: a human experience. The evolution is always going to be
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  Speaker 6: a human evolving on this plane, We'll say, or you know,
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  Speaker 6: this planet at least were like, you know, we've we've
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  Speaker 6: gone through the physical part of human, you know, And
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  Speaker 6: again I talk about this from but the Master's teach
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  Speaker 6: around it, we say fourth roop rates into fifth rate
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  Speaker 6: root race human and the fourth root race is very
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  Speaker 6: much material based human, which is like, you know, the
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  Speaker 6: physical body or the earthly body part is what we've
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  Speaker 6: kind of gone through. And I think that now what
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  Speaker 6: what we're really evolving into is like into more emerging
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  Speaker 6: or integration of our astral or emotional sensative body into
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  Speaker 6: the physical experience now, and I think that's a lot
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  Speaker 6: of the problem that we have in the world is well,
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  Speaker 6: is the fact that you know, the emotional body is
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  Speaker 6: really pushing to the surface to be integrated, and of
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  Speaker 6: course that creates a lot of fear. We've never dealt
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  Speaker 6: with emotions before. Harsh times in the past, and says
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  Speaker 6: have pressed in order to survive, and we're here alive
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  Speaker 6: today because they suppressed. But now it's like the recalibration
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  Speaker 6: as we evolved further, we never have to deal with
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  Speaker 6: those emotional parts of what they suppressed so that they've
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  Speaker 6: we've endured the physical we'd say trauma you want to
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  Speaker 6: mention as trauma or events, but we haven't processed the
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  Speaker 6: emotional aspects attached to those physical events. And I think
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  Speaker 6: that's what we're really in now, and I really feel
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  Speaker 6: that as part of this new way on which is
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  Speaker 6: very much about like you could say, the astraplane now
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  Speaker 6: merging deeper into the physical experience.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my god, I literally just discussed this yesterday with
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  Speaker 3: several people, that the so I mean the macro in
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  Speaker 3: the personal level, but also in the collective level. The
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  Speaker 3: more we engage with spirituality, magic, and even you know
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  Speaker 3: we call the paranormal, the more that you are literally
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  Speaker 3: merging at least two dimensions, right, because they're not actually separate,
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  Speaker 3: but we perceive them as being separate. And as we
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  Speaker 3: start to perceive things as they truly are, those two fit,
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  Speaker 3: but what I would call the third and fourth dimension
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  Speaker 3: just start to merge. And that's why there's that saying
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  Speaker 3: that goes. You know, when you start to know as
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  Speaker 3: the paranormal, the paranormal starts to notice you because you're
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  Speaker 3: merging those two realities and you can't turn it off.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I like that it is, and that's exactly what
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  Speaker 6: we act, like what you know, from what what I'm taught,
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  Speaker 6: I suppose from from what I experienced as well.
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  Speaker 5: It's exactly that act, like it is the merging of.
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  Speaker 6: Exactly what we're experiencing it all at the one time anyway,
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  Speaker 6: but we're just not really aware that we are. And
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  Speaker 6: it is now that part of starting to kind of okay,
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  Speaker 6: we've always looked here instead, Okay, this is what reality is.
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  Speaker 6: And it's like, of course it's everything is happening, but
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  Speaker 6: we're only really aware of this part. And it's like
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  Speaker 6: now I've been forced to look a little bit in
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  Speaker 6: a different perspective and see, oh, this is happening as well.
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  Speaker 5: And it's also part of this, you know.
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  Speaker 6: And obviously in the term systems of conscious like Cabala
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  Speaker 6: and things, we know the sphere of yescident. It's that
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  Speaker 6: reflection and like I talk a lot about like even
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  Speaker 6: that physical plane of being, you know, it's symbolic, which
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  Speaker 6: you know, everything really is symbolic in a way, and
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  Speaker 6: it's the symbols can help us to understand what's happening.
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  Speaker 6: We say on that emotion or astrobody because if we
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  Speaker 6: let the the symbols speak to us by how it feels,
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  Speaker 6: you know, whether there's there's a lot of confusion. Again,
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  Speaker 6: if you think about like that veil of materialism I
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  Speaker 6: mentioned a lot, which is a lot of people are
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  Speaker 6: reading symbols from from that level of materialism, which is
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  Speaker 6: like they're trying to fixate what they've learned about a
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  Speaker 6: symbol onto the symbol, rather than let the symbol come
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  Speaker 6: to them and say, Okay, how did that make me feel?
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  Speaker 6: And that allows the symbol to open up with spectrum
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  Speaker 6: of expression which is really a sensated or or emotional expression,
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  Speaker 6: which is that as you say, the fourth dimension, which
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  Speaker 6: is the astral plane again, and and it's it's really
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  Speaker 6: happened where we're really in the apex of it really
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  Speaker 6: happening in humanity right now, like all of us incarnated
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  Speaker 6: at this time. And it's it's beautiful as much as
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  Speaker 6: it's quite difficult.
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  Speaker 5: And we can see that in the chast of the world.
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  Speaker 4: Dude, totally, I love it.
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  Speaker 3: I love this because I really feel that we are
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  Speaker 3: with you, with your work and with like my school
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  Speaker 3: and all of us, all of us who are doing
• 15:15
  Speaker 3: this right now, are are picking up on something that
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: Curley didn't pick up on. That like a lot of
• 15:20
  Speaker 3: I mean, no offense, but like those to these people
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: magicians of the past century, but they didn't have the language,
• 15:26
  Speaker 3: they didn't have the technology to describe what we're trying
• 15:28
  Speaker 3: to describe.
• 15:29
  Speaker 4: So now we're.
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: Describing in terms that actually fucking makes sense instead of
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: like I mean again, listen, I'm not the biggest Alistair
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: Curley fan.
• 15:38
  Speaker 4: Okay, like a lot some of his work is amazing.
• 15:41
  Speaker 4: It to me is gibberish. I love that we can
• 15:44
  Speaker 4: talk about it without gibberish.
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: Now, Yeah, even he was huge into science, and there
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: was even stuff that I had even made posts like
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: taking some of his quotes. But I totally agree. I
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: do think, and I've said this before on the show,
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: I'd love to be able to take some of the
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: you know, like Crowley or even Blovotsky Osmond take you know,
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: grab all those people, and bring him into to today
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: with what we know about even even with Sumerian ship,
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: you know, just just in in archaeology and certain science,
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: Like I would just love to watch them go wild
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: with what we have now.
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: To see Crowley like discovery, like to be told about
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: back tape and and the astrological inscriptions his head amazing.
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I know, I've thought about that. I was like,
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: you know, I wonder what they would come out with
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: now if they had the toys that we do now.
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's just to clarify.
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: Also, I know that a lot of what I call
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: gibberish from Crowley because I don't understand it.
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, I know.
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: I'm sure there is gibberish literally in there too. Sometimes
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: it was I and it sounded cool.
• 16:53
  Speaker 6: It does go back to that traffic we're saying about language,
• 16:56
  Speaker 6: Like you know, I mean, like you know, any of
• 16:57
  Speaker 6: these again, like go back to like profits, you can
• 17:01
  Speaker 6: go back to Masters, you can go back to you know,
• 17:03
  Speaker 6: Magi or anyone from any different time period of culture.
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: Like it's like it's it's the problem is the language.
• 17:08
  Speaker 6: We have a very descriptive language in today's world, because
• 17:11
  Speaker 6: we have so much stuff that we've had to name
• 17:12
  Speaker 6: and you know, what have you, and so like we
• 17:14
  Speaker 6: have this language where we can obviously we can never
• 17:16
  Speaker 6: fully verbalize a sensated experience, but with more descriptive language
• 17:21
  Speaker 6: we can do a better job. And I suppose that's
• 17:22
  Speaker 6: where poetry comes in our symbolic language to try capture sensated.
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: Experience in words.
• 17:28
  Speaker 6: You know, you go back in those times, you know,
• 17:30
  Speaker 6: Levatski whatever, nearly two hundred years ago, Like that language
• 17:33
  Speaker 6: wasn't really their descriptive me to be able to capture,
• 17:37
  Speaker 6: like she's having this experience in a channel I have
• 17:39
  Speaker 6: no doubt like of what she's experience and trying to
• 17:42
  Speaker 6: convey this wisdom in the language of that day Crowley
• 17:45
  Speaker 6: against similar little bit you know a few years later
• 17:47
  Speaker 6: again and you know, obviously go back then to the
• 17:49
  Speaker 6: time of the profits, or go back to the sacred texts,
• 17:52
  Speaker 6: and like, you know, that's that's what we're trying to convey.
• 17:54
  Speaker 6: I think that a lot of them can't speak for
• 17:56
  Speaker 6: Chrod exactly, but you know, I think a lot of them,
• 17:58
  Speaker 6: in particularly the further you go, like they're having these
• 18:01
  Speaker 6: same experiences, but obviously they only have the language of.
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: Their day to convey it.
• 18:05
  Speaker 6: And like that that's the trap I think that we
• 18:07
  Speaker 6: often find is if we fixate on the material words
• 18:10
  Speaker 6: of or not even so much material, but like that
• 18:13
  Speaker 6: veil comes.
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: In again that I speak about it is because people.
• 18:15
  Speaker 6: Try to think, well, that word means this to me today,
• 18:18
  Speaker 6: and so I need to decipher that with how what
• 18:20
  Speaker 6: I understand the word in today's world. And you know,
• 18:22
  Speaker 6: we look at the cycles of humanity and our revolution.
• 18:24
  Speaker 6: Even words themselves have been used in very contrasting ways
• 18:28
  Speaker 6: and how we understand them. You know, sometimes a word
• 18:31
  Speaker 6: could mean something positive and we use the same world
• 18:33
  Speaker 6: and I can have a negative expression, and your words
• 18:35
  Speaker 6: capture or get attached to astral forms, got kind of
• 18:39
  Speaker 6: sensated meanings. You know, that word atlantis for a long
• 18:42
  Speaker 6: time was something so woo that it was ridiculous if
• 18:44
  Speaker 6: you ever mentioned it, you know, whereas now it's coming
• 18:46
  Speaker 6: more into a more positive and acceptable word that can
• 18:49
  Speaker 6: be used. But we can see how these emotional attachments
• 18:51
  Speaker 6: get attached to words and shadows and what have you.
• 18:54
  Speaker 6: So like, you know, all these things that are played
• 18:56
  Speaker 6: throughout the evolution of humanity where these texts are coming from.
• 18:59
  Speaker 6: And there is this revamp in the world right now,
• 19:02
  Speaker 6: which is what we.
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: Just spoke about.
• 19:03
  Speaker 6: It It's beautiful because I really feel that the only
• 19:06
  Speaker 6: thing that can really get us forward is that wisdom,
• 19:09
  Speaker 6: because it's we're moving out of the material plane again,
• 19:12
  Speaker 6: Like what you were saying is merging that the third
• 19:13
  Speaker 6: and the fourty.
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: Dimensions.
• 19:17
  Speaker 6: And so I hope we're going to bridge out a
• 19:19
  Speaker 6: matter what we can follow the texts and the wisdom
• 19:21
  Speaker 6: of those who have done.
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: It before U.
• 19:23
  Speaker 6: But we have to bring their conscience of their time
• 19:27
  Speaker 6: period and how they were expressing to try to cipher today.
• 19:30
  Speaker 6: Otherwise we're just going to get lost again.
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, I think we have to do also.
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: And I don't know how the hell we're going to
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: do this, but we I mean, or maybe it was
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: happening your evolution. But until mainstream science stops completely rejecting
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: the idea of anything beyond physical reality, right, or anything
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: conscious beyond physical reality, we should say because the grudge
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: between physics and metaphysics is so severe and it's going
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: to inhibit both forever until until they decide to get along.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: Cleikua shake games, there's gonna be a big problem.
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: Mhm, yeah, yeah, I mean was it was?
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: It?
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: Was it?
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: Tesla?
• 20:11
  Speaker 6: Nicolay Tesla said that, you know, as soon as we
• 20:13
  Speaker 6: studied non physical will will advance, was it like the
• 20:17
  Speaker 6: level of in ten years the span of what we
• 20:19
  Speaker 6: would normally in one hundred years? And I mean, that's
• 20:21
  Speaker 6: exactly that, Like it's you know, and there has been
• 20:23
  Speaker 6: that dogma in science, but that's even how right, And
• 20:25
  Speaker 6: she wrote about like we were that the dogma of
• 20:28
  Speaker 6: science at that time, you know, which you really was.
• 20:30
  Speaker 6: You know, you couldn't dare come and speak about this
• 20:33
  Speaker 6: because it was you know, we are the you know daius.
• 20:35
  Speaker 6: And that's not taken from the abilities of these people
• 20:38
  Speaker 6: in the scientific fields of course, like they are super
• 20:41
  Speaker 6: intelligent people. They've earned their place, but like we are
• 20:43
  Speaker 6: at that state of evolution now or it need to
• 20:45
  Speaker 6: be open to it. But I do see like I
• 20:47
  Speaker 6: see some things online now or some of the physicists
• 20:49
  Speaker 6: are starting to talk to like some mystics and things
• 20:51
  Speaker 6: like that, and that's that's the conversation that needs to
• 20:53
  Speaker 6: be at, you know, again going back to some similar topics.
• 20:56
  Speaker 6: It's like that bridging languages that I might use that terminology,
• 21:01
  Speaker 6: but it doesn't mean that I don't understand it in
• 21:03
  Speaker 6: my way or you don't understand it in your way
• 21:05
  Speaker 6: or you know, on the next person.
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: But it's just getting that bridge to be.
• 21:08
  Speaker 6: Open, you know, to just say, like what I'm speaking
• 21:12
  Speaker 6: might be the same as you might be expressing it
• 21:13
  Speaker 6: in a different way, and we can all learn from
• 21:15
  Speaker 6: each other, and that's that's a revolution.
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: That's exactly correct, I think.
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: I think that's not only correct between physics and metaphysics,
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: between all the religions.
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: Also we're all.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: Like the this is what drives me nuts because it's
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: happening today, of course, but religious wars.
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: I'm like, you, y'all have so much in common.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: You want to kill each other over what you think
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: your guy's name is?
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: You know, like that's that is That's such a good
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: point though. That is the craziest shit about it. It's
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: down to like the little finite details. You're gonna kill them,
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: like what the fuck?
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: Like utter hatred over slight differences in the expression of
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: the same idea.
• 21:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean that's that's again again I talk without
• 22:01
  Speaker 6: that trapid materialism is the fact that, like, you know, people,
• 22:04
  Speaker 6: it's almost like I'm using the word academic, but I
• 22:06
  Speaker 6: don't mean that it's like just standard academy. It like
• 22:09
  Speaker 6: I'm not attacking academy at all, because of course it's
• 22:12
  Speaker 6: really powerful, it's really relevant, but I just see, like
• 22:14
  Speaker 6: what I mean by that is that surface level like
• 22:17
  Speaker 6: but we're not really opening up its consciousness, like is
• 22:19
  Speaker 6: like if you really open up that religion, in this religion,
• 22:22
  Speaker 6: it's the one consciousness of divinity that's expressing itself. We're
• 22:25
  Speaker 6: just verbalizing it or perceiving it in different ways, you know.
• 22:29
  Speaker 6: And again, you know, the simplicity of every religion has
• 22:31
  Speaker 6: been never formed by the person who it's afterwards, the
• 22:34
  Speaker 6: followers afterwards formed the religion. You know that they're they're
• 22:37
  Speaker 6: understanding the expression of a really high level of consciousness
• 22:40
  Speaker 6: from some master you talk about Yesha or or whatever faith,
• 22:44
  Speaker 6: you know, somebody who was having a very very deep
• 22:46
  Speaker 6: divine conscious experience. And obviously they could only use the
• 22:49
  Speaker 6: language of their time to convey their yoga, their mental
• 22:52
  Speaker 6: of union, or to to whoever their followers were. And
• 22:55
  Speaker 6: of course the followers aren't in the same band as
• 22:57
  Speaker 6: the consciousness. And of course consciounce is fractal. So it
• 22:59
  Speaker 6: will makes sense every single degree, no matter what it
• 23:01
  Speaker 6: might not. You might not comprehend it in the way
• 23:04
  Speaker 6: that it's been you know, transferred, but but you will
• 23:07
  Speaker 6: understand it. And and a lot of that gets lost,
• 23:09
  Speaker 6: we say, just because of that, that that very reason,
• 23:12
  Speaker 6: but it is exactly that once you peel off the
• 23:14
  Speaker 6: layer of the surface. You start to realize, oh, this
• 23:17
  Speaker 6: is just the same thing here and again go back
• 23:20
  Speaker 6: to the problems of today's world, of these wars and
• 23:22
  Speaker 6: everything which are based on this and that, and it's like,
• 23:25
  Speaker 6: you know, it becomes madness and even touching into the
• 23:27
  Speaker 6: soul when you realize if you only you know, you've
• 23:29
  Speaker 6: been every culture, you've been, every gender you've been.
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: You know, you've you've.
• 23:33
  Speaker 6: Experienced everything, You've lived everywhere, and like racism and these
• 23:37
  Speaker 6: things are just absolutely ridiculous things. When when you when
• 23:39
  Speaker 6: you comprehend that even the fact that they could even exist.
• 23:43
  Speaker 6: People it's just like they're so protective over this identity
• 23:46
  Speaker 6: that they have and it's not even the true identity.
• 23:48
  Speaker 6: You know, it's it's a location, maybe that you were born,
• 23:51
  Speaker 6: it's a color of skin, it's a religion, it's a faith, it's.
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: This, it's that, But that's not who we are.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: You know, I fully agree, and I think that we're
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: making a terrible kind of I mean, I don't know,
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: on one plane, I completely understand how wanting to but
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: this exists within your cultural your your own cultural contexts.
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: But at the same time, and this is part of
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: like my unique experience because my father was a Mexican man,
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: my mother is Scottish. I was born in California. I
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: don't know like my grandparents or anyone passed.
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: Them very well.
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: And I grew up in a very very mixed area.
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: So to me, I'm like, I just.
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: Human, human people were all the same, you.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: Know, And that's the way I've always seen it, and
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: I do I do feel like and again this just
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: could be coming from my own experience, but like, the
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: more we we isolate and separate, the more we enhance
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: the differences between each other, the more we move away
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: from each other, you know, And that is not the
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: ultimate end goal of the ultimate and goal in my opinion,
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: should be like everyone like true equality, true everyone's just
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: no one's got a problem with anyone based on any such.
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: External factors.
• 25:10
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that kind of take me as well to just
• 25:14
  Speaker 6: another kind of expression of this a on that we're
• 25:15
  Speaker 6: moving into. Again, like using a different terminology that that's
• 25:18
  Speaker 6: used in the world. You know, some people will say
• 25:19
  Speaker 6: at the agent of Aquarius, and again we can break
• 25:22
  Speaker 6: down that archetype and you know, one of the aspects
• 25:24
  Speaker 6: of this am that we're moving into is very much
• 25:26
  Speaker 6: community based and like hitting on your point there, like
• 25:30
  Speaker 6: it's it is exactly that is like people.
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: Of humanity in a lot of generalized way, we'll say in.
• 25:37
  Speaker 6: Today's world or the world that we're moving out of things,
• 25:40
  Speaker 6: that community is just gathering together, whereas like what I
• 25:42
  Speaker 6: would see it consciously is like there's a shadow in
• 25:45
  Speaker 6: that community because again, let's just look at a couple
• 25:47
  Speaker 6: of fractals here, like like somebody gets successful with a
• 25:50
  Speaker 6: certain type of business or gets rich off something. Next thing,
• 25:53
  Speaker 6: there's like a billion carbon copies because it's like, Okay,
• 25:56
  Speaker 6: that's the path to success, but like is that your
• 25:58
  Speaker 6: pat you know, and it's and so what we're doing
• 26:02
  Speaker 6: is it's until we started, and this is the way
• 26:05
  Speaker 6: I kind of see things, until we start to come
• 26:07
  Speaker 6: back into our own individual purpose. Like people are so
• 26:10
  Speaker 6: afraid to be themselves because I won't fit in, I'll
• 26:13
  Speaker 6: be ridiculed, I'll be this and that. But true community
• 26:16
  Speaker 6: for me is like is in this journey of what
• 26:18
  Speaker 6: we could say initiation at any degree you know, of
• 26:20
  Speaker 6: finding yourself as oppose to some degree is I have
• 26:23
  Speaker 6: to remove myself from the community that's a community of
• 26:27
  Speaker 6: just they're all huddled together for safety because they're afraid
• 26:29
  Speaker 6: to be something different. And if I separate myself from
• 26:32
  Speaker 6: the herd, that's where I find myself. Then once I
• 26:35
  Speaker 6: find myself even at some degree, and I start to
• 26:37
  Speaker 6: become a little bit stable in this accepting this new
• 26:41
  Speaker 6: version of myself at whatever level that that it's coming through,
• 26:43
  Speaker 6: then I come back into the community and I want
• 26:45
  Speaker 6: to infect it.
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: But I want to.
• 26:46
  Speaker 6: Infect it with that positivity that it's okay to be yourself.
• 26:50
  Speaker 6: And what happens is eventually in that evolution where we
• 26:52
  Speaker 6: should be going, in this age of Aquarius or this
• 26:55
  Speaker 6: new ay On, eventually it's where true community is, where
• 26:58
  Speaker 6: there is no competition because in everybody in purpose there
• 27:01
  Speaker 6: is no competition. You can't be similar, but we're going
• 27:05
  Speaker 6: to do it very differently. And so then we actually
• 27:07
  Speaker 6: genuinely support each other because I'm not afraid that you'll
• 27:10
  Speaker 6: take from me, or that you'll be better than me,
• 27:12
  Speaker 6: or that you'll be and that we all support each
• 27:14
  Speaker 6: other to kind of really get to that level. Like
• 27:16
  Speaker 6: for me, that's what I see, that is what we're
• 27:18
  Speaker 6: moving into, which if you take the Golden Age or
• 27:21
  Speaker 6: the exalted point at the.
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: Net this a on of two thousand years.
• 27:25
  Speaker 6: It could be a thousand years before we hit that
• 27:26
  Speaker 6: golden age at the collective level, But that doesn't mean
• 27:29
  Speaker 6: that individual pockets that pioneers can start breaching in there first,
• 27:33
  Speaker 6: which is what I really feel like. This wisdom in
• 27:34
  Speaker 6: particular that we speak about is its real value is
• 27:38
  Speaker 6: where it can take us.
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I think that that's starting to happen, because
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think a lot of what you're talking about,
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: at least in terms of the world we live in today,
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: is going to come down to economics. And I think
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: that this argument between the socialist ideals and capitalist ideals
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: is like an argument between you know, to quote South Park,
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: like a turd and a duche sandwich, or was a
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: turd tanwich and.
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: A giant douche? Yeah, that's what it was.
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: Because these are not good systems, and somewhere in the
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: middle is gonna be something that works so much better
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: for everyone, right, because I don't want to stand in
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: line for a fucking Radish, Right, I don't want communism,
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: but I also don't want trillionaires. The threem ends of
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: both these systems are absolutely terrible for humanity, and we
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: need to rain them both in and we could have
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: a system where people are sharing with each other and
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: where like like this is a I'm sorry, I'm just
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: ranting now, but like one thing that's always bothered me
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: is the idea like a patent that can go on forever.
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: Imagine being the guy that patent did fucking Tabasco sauce.
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: It's vinegar and pepper, that's all it is, right, That
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: patent's probably with billions and billions of dollars because someone
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: got to say I own this combination of vinegar and pepper.
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: That's stupid. It's ridiculous, you know, I don't know. I'm sorry.
• 28:59
  Speaker 6: It's the lines like it's it is exactly it like
• 29:02
  Speaker 6: it is, you know, it's it's it is.
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: It's that stupid.
• 29:04
  Speaker 6: It's ownership. It's like afraid to you know, I need
• 29:06
  Speaker 6: to control something. I need to because what if you
• 29:08
  Speaker 6: take it from me? And I remember I watched something
• 29:11
  Speaker 6: recently to some I can't remember it was. I think
• 29:13
  Speaker 6: it was something actually you of voting. It could have
• 29:15
  Speaker 6: been a couple of years ago, and the guy who
• 29:16
  Speaker 6: has actually made a very very good point, and I
• 29:18
  Speaker 6: think it was on about a revolution, like you know,
• 29:21
  Speaker 6: we have a lot of this new technology comes out
• 29:22
  Speaker 6: and things, and you know, if anything happens to the person,
• 29:25
  Speaker 6: it's gone. You're not going into any kind of a
• 29:27
  Speaker 6: man conspiracy stuff. But but the fact that until we
• 29:29
  Speaker 6: get to that point where we can meet things all
• 29:31
  Speaker 6: open source, where it'll never get lost, and it's like,
• 29:34
  Speaker 6: but why don't we do that? Is because it's that
• 29:36
  Speaker 6: thing is control, what if somebody takes it from me?
• 29:38
  Speaker 6: And again, these are the wounds of the real past
• 29:40
  Speaker 6: that we're talking about in the SOA's journey, where like,
• 29:42
  Speaker 6: you know, there has been really severe oppression that that
• 29:45
  Speaker 6: we've that we've experienced in the journey of humanity's a
• 29:47
  Speaker 6: evolution where you know, things were taken from people and
• 29:50
  Speaker 6: again think about colonization, that's taking from people an under
• 29:54
  Speaker 6: a fractal level of consciousness, you know, so we have
• 29:56
  Speaker 6: these ingrained wounds that we're afraid to let things so open.
• 30:00
  Speaker 6: And because of those wounds, again jumping back in that
• 30:03
  Speaker 6: kind of third and Ford dimension of that merging, is like,
• 30:08
  Speaker 6: then we need to process the emotional body so that
• 30:10
  Speaker 6: we don't actually physically start to control things, become more open,
• 30:14
  Speaker 6: let things more open, that we don't have the fear
• 30:15
  Speaker 6: of being taken from Of course, there's a lot of
• 30:18
  Speaker 6: work in society that has to kind of come with
• 30:19
  Speaker 6: that as well.
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: Don't don't get me wrong, but where does it start.
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: It starts with the individual.
• 30:23
  Speaker 6: You know, I do my work and I get myself
• 30:25
  Speaker 6: into a place where I can start to relinquish some
• 30:28
  Speaker 6: of those controls because control is all about safety, you know,
• 30:31
  Speaker 6: fear and you know these things come from safety.
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: When I can start to remove those, well, then I
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: can get to a place, you.
• 30:36
  Speaker 6: Know, and then as the next person does their bits
• 30:38
  Speaker 6: and they can get to a place and you know,
• 30:39
  Speaker 6: eventually what happened is we kind of sway the tides,
• 30:42
  Speaker 6: you know, Whereas I think like a lot of the
• 30:44
  Speaker 6: approach and humanity is the physical approach. You know, let's
• 30:47
  Speaker 6: let's take it to the street. And don't get wrong,
• 30:49
  Speaker 6: there's nothing wrong with you know, like protests and what
• 30:53
  Speaker 6: have you. But like I think a lot of it
• 30:54
  Speaker 6: is actually misdirected energy, which is like until sovereignty and
• 30:58
  Speaker 6: yourself first, you know, it's not going to turn out
• 31:01
  Speaker 6: nicely on the surface. It's going to become violent, it's
• 31:03
  Speaker 6: going to be coming in different ways. So it's just
• 31:05
  Speaker 6: part of our evolution. But we just happen to be
• 31:07
  Speaker 6: at this you know this really you kind of like
• 31:10
  Speaker 6: this inverted apex moment as we're breaching from one into
• 31:13
  Speaker 6: another and we don't know the new one yet, we
• 31:14
  Speaker 6: haven't really lived it, so we're trying to find our feet.
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: In this, in this new world. And of course we
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: have all.
• 31:19
  Speaker 6: These things that we're backling, which is like again like
• 31:21
  Speaker 6: as you said, like this capitalism versus socialism or what
• 31:24
  Speaker 6: have you. But I think it just needs to come
• 31:26
  Speaker 6: back to the individual and then we start to spread
• 31:30
  Speaker 6: that true community.
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: I one hundred percent agree.
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: One of the things that I try to emphasize with
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: the work that I do is that I'm literally the
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: sounds crazy, but I'm trying to save the world like
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: one person out of time, because.
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: One individual time.
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: That's what else can we do, because you know, we
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: can't change mask groups of people on purpose. You can
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: maybe do it on accident, but you know, through manipulation,
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: but otherwise it's just everyone's different. I one's got to
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: understand things different ways. Everyone has to Everyone needs compassion,
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: everyone needs understanding, and until we start offering that to
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: each other on like a pretty free regular basis.
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: What we're doing. It's not gonna go well.
• 32:15
  Speaker 6: These conversations are think are parts of it, like you know,
• 32:18
  Speaker 6: coming from different angles and different perspectives of similar kind
• 32:20
  Speaker 6: of things, but you know, very different and that I
• 32:22
  Speaker 6: think that's that's a beautiful way of opening things up,
• 32:24
  Speaker 6: you know, because you know, somebody listens to something but
• 32:27
  Speaker 6: I'm not really aligned to that, but then they hear
• 32:29
  Speaker 6: it from a different angles like okay, hand a second.
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: I can kind of, I can absolutely, I think take
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: that piece in, you know, and then it opens them
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: up to the other part.
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 32:37
  Speaker 6: Look, even the school I have myself, which is that
• 32:39
  Speaker 6: in the Golden Rose Mystery School. Like it's like we
• 32:42
  Speaker 6: kind of go back to that very ancient way of
• 32:44
  Speaker 6: the mystery school. It's like something even similar defenses Bacon,
• 32:46
  Speaker 6: you could say, with where education is each subject speaks
• 32:51
  Speaker 6: to the other one, Like you know, I'm going to
• 32:53
  Speaker 6: teach you kubala, but you're going to learn more aboutkubala
• 32:55
  Speaker 6: true her medicism.
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: Of what you won't pick up in just Kubala.
• 32:58
  Speaker 6: You know, we open up into you know, some other
• 33:00
  Speaker 6: aspect of you know, alchemy, ceremonial magic, and they're all
• 33:03
  Speaker 6: speaking to the same thing. Maybe I won't exactly pick
• 33:06
  Speaker 6: it up through Kubala, but when I started to bring
• 33:09
  Speaker 6: in her medicism, maybe I'm aligned a little bit more
• 33:10
  Speaker 6: to the to how her medicism is taught. And now
• 33:13
  Speaker 6: that that that opens up that pathway that I can
• 33:15
  Speaker 6: now understand kabala. But all we need is that doorway
• 33:18
  Speaker 6: that opens it up. And again, you know, we're joking
• 33:21
  Speaker 6: on to realm with the same things. Like that's like
• 33:23
  Speaker 6: that the scientists will say speaking to the mystics again,
• 33:26
  Speaker 6: is they're just speaking in a different language. But it's
• 33:28
  Speaker 6: the same consciousness that we're all really you know, trying
• 33:32
  Speaker 6: to kind of get our teeth into and to share
• 33:34
  Speaker 6: and to bring forward.
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, it's just an understanding of the unknown, right, And
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: we were getting you were talking about us being in
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: this sort of well, I think you've got an inverted
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: apex that I love that terminology for people, especially for
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: people who are you know, approximately like adults like you
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: know in the thirty late thirties, forties, fifties in their
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: millennial ish people we live from the from the eighties
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: with no cell phones now and to see all of
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: that in one life, right, because like my when I
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: tell my son that I'm older than the Internet, he
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: doesn't believe me, you know. So like that's a wild
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: time to be alive, to be right back in the
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: middle of that.
• 34:21
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, and that's that's that's another good point as
• 34:24
  Speaker 6: well about like you know, I teach a lot of
• 34:27
  Speaker 6: people I work with as well, it's about like, you know,
• 34:29
  Speaker 6: anyone who's incarnated at this particular time. And in particular
• 34:32
  Speaker 6: you said that this age group of somebody who's been
• 34:34
  Speaker 6: born pre Internet age, you could say, you know, you're
• 34:37
  Speaker 6: you're really I think there's there's really picked a very
• 34:41
  Speaker 6: important time to incarnate because exactly for that reason is
• 34:45
  Speaker 6: we we're the only ones that really.
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: Have I mean us an older of course that know.
• 34:49
  Speaker 6: What it's like to live without the Internet and what
• 34:52
  Speaker 6: it's like to live with it, and so like if
• 34:54
  Speaker 6: you want to.
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: Take the values of the pre Internet.
• 34:58
  Speaker 6: Into the you know, the good values will say the
• 35:01
  Speaker 6: pre Internet into into this and of course the younger
• 35:03
  Speaker 6: generation are going to teach us and the values of
• 35:05
  Speaker 6: the Internet age, I suppose as well, more than what
• 35:07
  Speaker 6: we're going to grasp. But it's to create that marriage.
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: We don't want to lose what we've gained in the past.
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: We want to show it all the way.
• 35:13
  Speaker 6: But we also don't want to you know, we don't
• 35:15
  Speaker 6: want to get completely lost again. But that balance and
• 35:17
  Speaker 6: the whole kind of tech world we'll say, where you know,
• 35:21
  Speaker 6: creates its.
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: Own issues as well. So how do we get both?
• 35:23
  Speaker 6: Well, it's kind of like our role is to bring
• 35:25
  Speaker 6: forward that value system from the age and also learned
• 35:30
  Speaker 6: from the younger generation of what they can teach us
• 35:32
  Speaker 6: in the tech agent, and you know, to find that
• 35:34
  Speaker 6: the juicy and the good balance parts of both.
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: Totally.
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: I think that only not only, but I do think
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: there's only very special about this generation of people who
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: are on both sides of it. Because so, for example,
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: like the vast majority maybe I'm being a dick, but
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: I don't care. The vast majority of bloomers, in my opinion,
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: do not know how to like my mom can't program
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: a VCRs and also probably has a VCR, you know
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: what I mean. And like the younger generation, like they're
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: great with technology, but it's just struggle to get them
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: to pick up a book, to struggle to get them
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: to want to read and write, you know, because the
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: tech is available. So both those generations will have things
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: to teach us that we can't comprehend. But we're kind
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: of on both sides of it, and I think that
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: we can take the good and the bad from both.
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: And there's gonna come a point. I mean, I wish,
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: I really wish that we didn't live in a world
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: where eighty ninety year old motherfuckers were running things, Like
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: I think that's crazy, right, But like, at some point
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: it'll be people who were approximately you know, around our
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: age now who are in Congress and and you know,
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: all the Parliament and all the various governments of the world,
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: and hopefully, hopefully when it's our generation, we don't make
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: these giant mistakes that are being made right now. One
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: of my big things is I think we can actually
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: literally save the and raise if we can just raise
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: one generation of kids to reject violence. Oh yeah, that's
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: all huge, really take.
• 37:09
  Speaker 6: But I even think intelligence at a young age, you know,
• 37:12
  Speaker 6: in schools, that's that would change.
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: Best.
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: I think we should be teaching with astrology.
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: Started in kindergarten. Man.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: You know one thing, I've even thought of sun ray
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: and I've said it on the show a few times,
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: even when it comes to just a cold community. Even politics,
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: and you know a lot of things. You do have
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: a lot of people that within the next ten to
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: twenty years they're going to be gone. You know, a
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: lot of world leaders too.
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: It's happening right now.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, no, we're in the middle of it.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: And sometimes I wonder if that's like kind of even
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: part of going into the new aon where the old
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: heads are dropping off and the younger people are going
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: to start stepping in and.
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: Maybe things will change over people will enact policies. I
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: hope that that makes sense. Like, you sixty is the it? Like,
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: once you're sixty, you can't be in Congress or head
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: of the head of a country anymore. Like that's go retire,
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: You're fine, You're fine, You're done. You know, leave it
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: because because the the it's undeniable, the older people are
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: going to look out for older generations. Like is there
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: any ever been a politician that was like, yeah, the
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: kids are what really matter. You know, I can't think
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: of one say that.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: I mean, like in action, no, they don't show it. No,
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm so waiting to see the money from
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: Lado go back into the school district.
• 38:37
  Speaker 6: Right, But that that comes back to that piece, is
• 38:41
  Speaker 6: that that's you know, there's always a recalibration of power
• 38:44
  Speaker 6: at a time like this, at a huge level, like
• 38:46
  Speaker 6: you know, and you can bring in your medicism here
• 38:48
  Speaker 6: if you talk about it. Given the way that the
• 38:49
  Speaker 6: laws operation, you can see this throughout the cycles of history,
• 38:52
  Speaker 6: in the muntity's evolution. You know, the last time we
• 38:54
  Speaker 6: went through this cycle, or something close to it was
• 38:56
  Speaker 6: was the time when Yeshua came, you would say, And
• 38:58
  Speaker 6: what was happening there is you had the old power
• 39:00
  Speaker 6: structure holding onto a way that became too rigid, and
• 39:04
  Speaker 6: it was the contrasting separation of power between you could say,
• 39:08
  Speaker 6: the leaders in the Sanhedrian versus we'll say that the
• 39:10
  Speaker 6: word that common people don't like to use it, but
• 39:12
  Speaker 6: you know what I mean, where they didn't read it right,
• 39:14
  Speaker 6: and the sacred wisdom was kept away from them, and
• 39:16
  Speaker 6: so then it became the shadow of humanity became this
• 39:18
  Speaker 6: piece about like well, power was the shadow was always
• 39:21
  Speaker 6: was always there. And so what happens is the recalibration
• 39:24
  Speaker 6: of the law of rhythm where we need to you know,
• 39:26
  Speaker 6: where the the you know, the perpetrator becomes the victim.
• 39:29
  Speaker 6: The victim becomes the perpetrator if we don't heal a
• 39:31
  Speaker 6: land in the center. And so that message was coming
• 39:34
  Speaker 6: to take back that power, not to take back the power,
• 39:36
  Speaker 6: but to rebalance the power, because when that contrast goes
• 39:39
  Speaker 6: to one level, one side does become the perpetrator because
• 39:42
  Speaker 6: we're suppressing the people or oppressing their freedom. And it
• 39:45
  Speaker 6: comes to a point where it becomes breakable because we're
• 39:47
  Speaker 6: at the end of an aon, whereas like now, it's untenable.
• 39:51
  Speaker 6: Consciousness in its humanity's expression can no longer live this
• 39:55
  Speaker 6: way and as a breaking point, and of course there
• 39:57
  Speaker 6: is chaos before things kind of settle again, you're exactly
• 40:00
  Speaker 6: at that time now. And so we're seeing that now
• 40:03
  Speaker 6: as this old power structure that's still trying to hold
• 40:06
  Speaker 6: on to the old way of doing and being, and
• 40:09
  Speaker 6: we see that it doesn't fit in humanity anymore. It's
• 40:11
  Speaker 6: creating chaos and mayem for people in the contrast in
• 40:15
  Speaker 6: wealth and everything else that that that's happening and there's
• 40:17
  Speaker 6: there is no real need for it. And so how
• 40:20
  Speaker 6: are we going to reclaim that power in this ay
• 40:22
  Speaker 6: on which is for me, it's about people coming back.
• 40:24
  Speaker 6: And well, you know, we can use different words with
• 40:26
  Speaker 6: the same thing. Healing, becoming sovereign, you know, becoming more
• 40:29
  Speaker 6: self responsible and accountable for themselves and also making other
• 40:33
  Speaker 6: people accountable for their responsibilities, which I think we're seeing
• 40:36
  Speaker 6: in power structures has been allowed to get away with
• 40:38
  Speaker 6: so much, and so that pendlum swing has to swing
• 40:41
  Speaker 6: backwards and forwards to find equilibrium constantly. And you know
• 40:45
  Speaker 6: the first shill be last and the last shall be
• 40:47
  Speaker 6: first is exactly that is, those who come first, it's
• 40:50
  Speaker 6: time for you. Those who have been oppressed, understand what
• 40:52
  Speaker 6: it's like to be oppressed. So if I go through
• 40:54
  Speaker 6: my healing journey and if I take back my power,
• 40:58
  Speaker 6: I won't oppress you, because I know it's like to
• 41:00
  Speaker 6: be oppressed in that way. Of course, the healing journey
• 41:03
  Speaker 6: has to be involved here because otherwise victim does become
• 41:06
  Speaker 6: perpetrator purpet or it becomes victim. We're seeing that in
• 41:08
  Speaker 6: the world as well. And like and I'll use that
• 41:11
  Speaker 6: word pioneer in particular, like for for the school that
• 41:13
  Speaker 6: I have, which is really what it's for.
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: It's to take people.
• 41:16
  Speaker 6: Through a journey of really stripping away what they perceive
• 41:20
  Speaker 6: reality to be and and to give them the tools
• 41:22
  Speaker 6: where they obviously there's a healing journey that happens in
• 41:24
  Speaker 6: it as well, and some identities get get stripped away,
• 41:26
  Speaker 6: but so that they have the tools to then go
• 41:28
  Speaker 6: forward and hopefully step into their purpose in whatever way
• 41:31
  Speaker 6: it is. And it doesn't matter what any of us do.
• 41:34
  Speaker 6: It's it's just as long as we're doing what's right.
• 41:36
  Speaker 6: Forest Like, if you have the consciousness you can be
• 41:39
  Speaker 6: a hairdresser or bin man. It's the conversation that you have.
• 41:41
  Speaker 6: It doesn't matter what any of us do. It's it's
• 41:43
  Speaker 6: it's how we embody that consciousness and share it with
• 41:45
  Speaker 6: the world. Our kids will learn from how how we
• 41:48
  Speaker 6: how we understand the world at that deeper conscious level
• 41:51
  Speaker 6: that they're already growing up really you know, emotionally responsible
• 41:55
  Speaker 6: and and and everything else. And that's the leadership that
• 41:57
  Speaker 6: I think that we're really working in in this inverted
• 42:00
  Speaker 6: apex right now towards We might not live to see
• 42:03
  Speaker 6: it in the external collective reality, but we can at
• 42:07
  Speaker 6: least experience it in ourselves by getting ourselves there. We're
• 42:09
  Speaker 6: really not just working for this lifetime. We're working for
• 42:12
  Speaker 6: the evolution of humanity, that's what.
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: And so that reason right there is why I think
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: belief in reincarnation is important, because if you're coming back here,
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: you have a vested interest in making it a better place.
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: If you think you're going to escape to some you know, heaven,
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: then you know, fuck that place, I'm going to some
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: more better. You're right, That mentality I think is toxic
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: as fun. But if you believe that you're coming back here,
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: you're like, oh, we better leave it a better place
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: than we found it.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: I can't imagine coming back and it's even more, even
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: worse than it is now.
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: Oh dude, I got I sorry. I don't mean to
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: derail this conversation. I really don't apologize, adhd. I'm sorry,
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: but I got a channeled message about that several years ago. Man,
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: about shit that's happening right right now. It scares the shit.
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: Out of the brow.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: Oh wow, Okay, that's that's the whole journey.
• 43:09
  Speaker 6: That that is the journey of karma, which is like
• 43:11
  Speaker 6: you know, when you you know, start going into that
• 43:14
  Speaker 6: that that that level as you can live for this
• 43:15
  Speaker 6: lifetime and you know, pile up everything and whatever.
• 43:18
  Speaker 5: And of course I thought these are all based on wounds.
• 43:19
  Speaker 6: And things as well, but like you will experience that
• 43:23
  Speaker 6: recalibration of cause and effect into a into a next lifetime.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 43:26
  Speaker 6: It's that's like, that's the deep way that I've truly
• 43:29
  Speaker 6: understand it about what I've experienced in my own journey.
• 43:32
  Speaker 6: Like and again I'm not to not to ram that
• 43:34
  Speaker 6: down to anybody's throat, but I I understand that to
• 43:36
  Speaker 6: be absolute, like without a shoutout of doubt and some
• 43:38
  Speaker 6: of the experiences, many experiences I've had, and I exactly
• 43:41
  Speaker 6: as you said, is if if people really did not
• 43:44
  Speaker 6: just believe it from the intellectual mind, but actually really
• 43:47
  Speaker 6: embodiedly believe that, like, they would change everything in the
• 43:50
  Speaker 6: way that they operate in the world. They would become
• 43:52
  Speaker 6: so aware of every decision that they make and the
• 43:55
  Speaker 6: repercussions of it. Because you know, I can stand in
• 43:58
  Speaker 6: anybody's neck. We we all we could all, you know,
• 44:00
  Speaker 6: stand if we want to be millionaires. We can stand
• 44:02
  Speaker 6: in anybody's neck and be vindictive and we could all
• 44:04
  Speaker 6: probably have it by the end of the week if
• 44:06
  Speaker 6: we want to go to that level. Bush, what's the
• 44:10
  Speaker 6: repercussions of that? You know that there is there is
• 44:13
  Speaker 6: cause and effect that there always will be.
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: And also it's like that exact understanding. So many people
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: have that understanding that if I want so, the idea
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: that gets pushed upon them subconsciously or consciously is in
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: order to be successful, in order you to even survive,
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: I have to step on other people. And that's that
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: message is getting pushed so and it's been been pushed
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: for hundreds of years, but it right now, like with
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: influencer culture, it's so bad, right, it's so bad. And uh,
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: and that's what kids are learning that they have to
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: be ruthless and be hyper competitive and and all these
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: things like that's not the way. It's not going to
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: get us through this.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I even have somebody on my show recently, like
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: I trapp Daddy trapped in but you know, he's been
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: around for a while. A guy was on Doctor Phil
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: for Fox sakes, you know, and he even came out
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: and said he's like, yo, it blew me away. I
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: don't know why it never dawned on me that Doctor
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: Phil might be scripted, but he was like, dude, that's
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: show scripted. But like he's even been like basically like
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: you know, kind of saying like he was even saying
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: he's like him and other people that he knew there
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: are influencers that make you know, shit ton of money.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: He's like, what we actually bring to people? He's like,
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: I had people who were making money off of making
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: racist and gay jokes. Right, He's like, what are we
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: He's what are we giving back? We're not doing anything
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: positive for humanity? And he's like, you know, kind of
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: like changing his whole deal because he just one day
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: was just like, what the fuck am I doing?
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: Right, you know, And that's at the top of the tier,
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: you know, when you're just an influencer just for the
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: sake of being an influencer. But at the other end
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: of that spectrum, which I do think is really cool,
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: is this is what we're doing right now, right like
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: and also with the way that technology is going, we
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: can get mad about it, but at the same time,
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: this is YouTube is I think one of the greatest
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: things that ever happened in humanity. Honestly, the concept of YouTube,
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: maybe not the company YouTube, but the concept of YouTube.
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: The fact that we can the three of us can
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: get on here and talk to the whole ass Internet
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: and leave it there. They can rewatch it whenever they
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: want in fucking in four K part of my language,
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: you know, forever. Is amazing that I can I can
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: build a podcast studio in my little closet and talk
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: to people every day on the internet and like have
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: an actual impact. That's amazing if we're doing it for
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: the right reasons. And so you know, Peter, you said
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: you run our mystery school also, and so do I
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: and and you know, Nick is doing this show like.
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: People like three shows a day.
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: It's insane. But we're like actually really trying to make
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: a difference with people here and it's awesome, and people
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: are into it and they want this information. They want
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: this knowledge because they're sick of the world we're living
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: in too, you know, So like yeah, you know, at
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: least there's that.
• 47:00
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, no, absolutely, I mean that's the thing is
• 47:03
  Speaker 6: like in the really good point, I think the word
• 47:05
  Speaker 6: integrity comes to me a lot, like it's about like, you.
• 47:07
  Speaker 5: Know, again, not another judgment and anybody understand we're all
• 47:10
  Speaker 5: where where we're at it. We're led by things from
• 47:12
  Speaker 5: the unconscious so powerfully.
• 47:13
  Speaker 6: But you know, the thing is like if you can
• 47:15
  Speaker 6: just lead with integrity is and like, okay, what's your
• 47:17
  Speaker 6: intention here.
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: You know, again we're on here.
• 47:20
  Speaker 6: Having this chat exactly as you said in the podcast,
• 47:23
  Speaker 6: but like this is a really great intention to be
• 47:25
  Speaker 6: able to open up and talk to different people, like
• 47:27
  Speaker 6: what we said, with different perspectives on similar things. And
• 47:30
  Speaker 6: and it's like okay, it's like everyone has a space
• 47:33
  Speaker 6: to kind of really converse their piece and say, all right,
• 47:35
  Speaker 6: that's interesting. I can corelate to how I do understand that,
• 47:38
  Speaker 6: and you know, and again it's creating that that true community,
• 47:40
  Speaker 6: like it was. What I'm saying is because we have
• 47:43
  Speaker 6: the different opinions that are really about the same thing.
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: You know, your approach might be this.
• 47:47
  Speaker 6: Might might be that, but who might to say, you know,
• 47:49
  Speaker 6: my this is just my journey what feels right to me,
• 47:51
  Speaker 6: that's what feels right too.
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: There's no right or wrong.
• 47:54
  Speaker 6: But I think once the integrity of the intention is right,
• 47:57
  Speaker 6: then that's that's the only thing that ever matters. And
• 47:59
  Speaker 6: we know that from from you know that the intention
• 48:01
  Speaker 6: is the power of absolutely everything. You know, the first
• 48:04
  Speaker 6: very first mention of that will er the first expression
• 48:08
  Speaker 6: of that real personal will that comes through me.
• 48:10
  Speaker 5: You know, is it because I want something or is.
• 48:14
  Speaker 6: It because it's there's a good integrity kind of an
• 48:18
  Speaker 6: intention to it.
• 48:18
  Speaker 5: First, I want to share something. I want to share.
• 48:20
  Speaker 6: I want to share the wisdom of my journey because
• 48:22
  Speaker 6: I know what it's done for me, I know what
• 48:24
  Speaker 6: it's done for people that I work with. I want
• 48:26
  Speaker 6: everyone to have it because it's available to everybody. But
• 48:29
  Speaker 6: it won't be for everybody. And so you have these
• 48:32
  Speaker 6: pans where it can be open, and you know, people
• 48:34
  Speaker 6: can pick and choose, but at.
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: Least they have that and and be grateful to each other. Right,
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: So like, I'm super grateful for people who can express
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: the same ideas that I want to express in different
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: ways because I'm like, there's no way like that the
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: way that I teach is going to appeal to everybody,
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: and and that that would be insane. So we need
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: many teachers, same message, any teachers, many modalities of teaching,
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: many different ways of saying but like the core message,
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: and I think this is another thing that we got
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: to like acknowledges, like the core message of just about,
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: maybe not ever, even just about every religion on earth
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: is like be nice to each other, right, be kind
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: to each other, be kind to yourselves, know thyself right,
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: live live in a way that is not destructive to
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: everything around you, like really basic shit, right, and we
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: get instead, we get into horrific, destructive fights over which
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: person is saying the same message the right way. It's
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: so silly, it's so it's so utterly ridiculous. But you know,
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: we we have to recognize that there's no way one
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: teacher could reach the whole world. We need many teachers.
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: But you know, this is.
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: Sorry, this is I'm gonna stop thinking of so much time,
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: I promise, But like, imagine, just imagine for a second
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: if if Jesus, Yeshua and Mohammad had the names, but
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: if they were like Joe and Josh, would we fight
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: over their teaching is the same way if they if
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: they were just name, if they.
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: Were just if we just saw them as just dude,
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean.
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's actually a good point right there. That's something
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: to think about. Really.
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like like like you know, instead of Mohammad and Yeshua,
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: we've got Bob and Joe.
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: It's just.
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: What's the difference.
• 50:28
  Speaker 6: Bob and Joe have something valuable to that and it's
• 50:30
  Speaker 6: just been open to all of them, isn't it.
• 50:31
  Speaker 7: Like that's that's that thing you know, and and some
• 50:35
  Speaker 7: people are visual learners, and some people learn better through storytelling,
• 50:40
  Speaker 7: some people learn like with a technical manual.
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: You know, all kinds of different people, but we can
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: all and we need those different perspectives because there's no
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: way also, I as an individual could ever incorporate every
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: facet of every esoteric teaching. If I did, I'd go insane.
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, you lose ship. But go ahead, Peter,
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: you know, I.
• 51:10
  Speaker 6: Was just gonna say, it's a good point about that.
• 51:12
  Speaker 6: That aspect of like you know, or with the teachers
• 51:14
  Speaker 6: as well, is because you know some people, they will
• 51:17
  Speaker 6: only align with certain people. I think that's another problem
• 51:19
  Speaker 6: where we have kind of around the AI thing is
• 51:21
  Speaker 6: a lot of people are in conscious work, I think,
• 51:23
  Speaker 6: use AI to write their stuff, and then people are
• 51:27
  Speaker 6: not connecting to you, they're connecting to something else, and
• 51:30
  Speaker 6: I think that then you're going to get a misalignment,
• 51:32
  Speaker 6: but not always, but you can do, you know, because
• 51:34
  Speaker 6: you're not connected to the conscious of the person who
• 51:36
  Speaker 6: you're actually coming to, and maybe they're not far you
• 51:38
  Speaker 6: if you're because you're not really connecting to them.
• 51:40
  Speaker 5: You're connecting to to something that a machine is output
• 51:42
  Speaker 5: it like as well, just there's a bit of a
• 51:44
  Speaker 5: side engent in there.
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah. No, that's a really good point.
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: I think, you know, like we were saying before the show,
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: I think the AI is really it's a useful tool
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: to me, and that I've outsourced my own executive dysfunction
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: disorder to AI to help me with that. I think
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: that's a great use for it. I just don't think
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: it should be making art or writing books or doing
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: human things. It should be doing robot things, right, like,
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: let the robots be robots, have them do robot things.
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: Let humans be humans doing human things that should have
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: been I thought that was to go all along, but
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: then the first thing that you know, okay, what I'll
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: with a caveat to that, I think AI is great
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: for YouTube thumbnails. Yeah, art, that's just trying to get
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: someone to click on your video.
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's to express.
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: An idea, right, So like when I did my video
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: about AI, I used AI to make the thumbnail because
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: that was the best way to express that idea with
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: an image of the terminator, you know what I mean.
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: Like it's also I just don't see that as art.
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: I don't think anyone's out there hiring like talented artists
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: to make their YouTube thumbnails. Just give that shit today.
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: I give it utilitarian, you know, repetitive tasks to do,
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: but stop asking it to write poetry.
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm, yeah, yeah, like that stuff better than of
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: a show up in the museum like Ali.
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: Or any or anybody's YouTube thumbnails.
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: You know, I probably will because he'll buy the museum
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: and then you.
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: Know, yeah, Peter, I know, uh, you know, I know
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: we did mention the Saturated Breath. I don't know if
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: you wanted to go with, you know, kind of maybe
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: tolk on that a little bit before we do in
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: the show. We already had an hour, so I wanted
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: to kind of at least give you some some time
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: to promote the book that you got that just came out.
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 53:40
  Speaker 6: So it's it's my second book, but it's it's it's
• 53:44
  Speaker 6: out what it's out a little bit of a while,
• 53:46
  Speaker 6: but I haven't really given it a push. So and
• 53:49
  Speaker 6: the time I actually released it, I don't think people
• 53:50
  Speaker 6: were really ready for ever, I'm quite honest at that time.
• 53:53
  Speaker 6: But it is very much aligned with what we were
• 53:55
  Speaker 6: kind of talking about with this new way on and
• 53:57
  Speaker 6: you know, come into that the target for merging inst
• 53:59
  Speaker 6: ford to which you know, again talking with that sphere
• 54:01
  Speaker 6: of yesterday, Kabata, which is the astraplane, really is what's
• 54:04
  Speaker 6: coming in and it's very much kind of that kind
• 54:08
  Speaker 6: of an energy is what we're really kind of is
• 54:10
  Speaker 6: in the saturated bread. So it's my second book. So
• 54:12
  Speaker 6: the first one was The Phoenix Bert And these are
• 54:15
  Speaker 6: kind of I suppose esoteric poetry, but they're really much
• 54:19
  Speaker 6: more than that. They're quite deeply channeling through when I've
• 54:22
  Speaker 6: been going through these my own experiences over the last
• 54:26
  Speaker 6: few years, in the last nine years in particular, which
• 54:29
  Speaker 6: were very kind of deep initiative, initiatory experiences. And so
• 54:32
  Speaker 6: the first one, the Phoenix Birth is obviously comes through
• 54:34
  Speaker 6: the element of fire when it's really you know, if
• 54:36
  Speaker 6: you thought about that alchemical process of the fire burning
• 54:38
  Speaker 6: that DROs at the first layers, and then it came
• 54:41
  Speaker 6: into the saturated breath, which is now once that those
• 54:43
  Speaker 6: surface layers are kind of offer what we kind of
• 54:45
  Speaker 6: spoke about again if we use different terminologies when we
• 54:48
  Speaker 6: go start to burn through the physical body and start
• 54:50
  Speaker 6: to open up into that astral body and start to really.
• 54:53
  Speaker 5: Bring that merge, you know, of the water.
• 54:55
  Speaker 6: We'll say back in and so it is a kind
• 54:58
  Speaker 6: of a.
• 55:00
  Speaker 5: Deep, deep journey.
• 55:01
  Speaker 6: So the Saturday bread is eighteen gone, really symbolic activations
• 55:06
  Speaker 6: is what's in them. So obviously consciousness is cyclical, it's fractal.
• 55:11
  Speaker 6: Every single human is going to experience the exact same thing.
• 55:14
  Speaker 6: That's exactly why we have mythology. Why it's so important
• 55:16
  Speaker 6: is because it tells the journey that every human is
• 55:19
  Speaker 6: going to consciously go through the surface level of events
• 55:23
  Speaker 6: and the material plane that happened to us. All might
• 55:25
  Speaker 6: be a little bit different, but all it's the same
• 55:26
  Speaker 6: conscious energy because we're in cycles and conuscousness constantly with
• 55:30
  Speaker 6: whatever astrologically our conscious cycles with everything from macro to
• 55:35
  Speaker 6: micro or there's so many infinitive cycles. So we are
• 55:38
  Speaker 6: all really being pulled through the statue to come back
• 55:40
  Speaker 6: into alignment of consciousness. And so the way I write
• 55:43
  Speaker 6: is really really symbolic, and everything I do is really
• 55:46
  Speaker 6: really charged with intention. Again, of everything I do, and
• 55:49
  Speaker 6: when I write, it's always in a channel. I never
• 55:51
  Speaker 6: write unless unless it flows, Like when I write, it's
• 55:54
  Speaker 6: it's something that I've gone through or I'm just going through,
• 55:56
  Speaker 6: or oftentimes will have to come out the other side
• 55:58
  Speaker 6: before the channel really hope.
• 56:00
  Speaker 5: For to kind of flow, and I have the intention
• 56:02
  Speaker 5: of what I'm capturing.
• 56:03
  Speaker 6: Now, what I'm capturing is something of course I've gone
• 56:05
  Speaker 6: through on my own part, but I also know that
• 56:08
  Speaker 6: it's it's something humanity is going through and he's going
• 56:11
  Speaker 6: to go through even at their own factor levels. And
• 56:13
  Speaker 6: so I don't exactly right, you know, I went here,
• 56:16
  Speaker 6: I went there. I know it's obviously poetry, it's a
• 56:18
  Speaker 6: little bit more kind of flowing than that. But you know,
• 56:20
  Speaker 6: the way I write is very much that it actually
• 56:22
  Speaker 6: activates the subconscious, It actually activates the symbols, will actually
• 56:26
  Speaker 6: speak to people in.
• 56:27
  Speaker 5: That sensated astral body. And so that's not tread of bread.
• 56:31
  Speaker 6: Was really that journey of really you know, submerging in
• 56:34
  Speaker 6: the unconscious, you.
• 56:36
  Speaker 5: Know, burning off.
• 56:37
  Speaker 6: As I said, the phoenix burg took the top layer
• 56:39
  Speaker 6: off the system where it kind of opened up that
• 56:41
  Speaker 6: hard shell of protection we mentioned about like the physical body,
• 56:44
  Speaker 6: we'll say of being that the way we've evolved now
• 56:47
  Speaker 6: that that piece has burned, the way it's like, now
• 56:49
  Speaker 6: I go into the depths of the or we go
• 56:51
  Speaker 6: into the depths of the of the real deep dark unconscious,
• 56:53
  Speaker 6: which is obviously we have those fears of those monsters.
• 56:56
  Speaker 6: You know, when those emotions come up, it's like, you know,
• 56:59
  Speaker 6: we had the mind dictates that that it's something terrible
• 57:01
  Speaker 6: is going to happen. Is it's overcoming that, and it's
• 57:04
  Speaker 6: an incremental journey, and it's very much what humanity is
• 57:07
  Speaker 6: moving into now. Is this you know again the different language,
• 57:10
  Speaker 6: the four dimension or the astral plane or the astra
• 57:12
  Speaker 6: body now is really coming through to be merged. And
• 57:15
  Speaker 6: I find, like even earlier, all the world's problems are
• 57:17
  Speaker 6: based on that. You know, if without that awareness, the
• 57:20
  Speaker 6: shadow is actually dictating, it's what really what a form
• 57:23
  Speaker 6: of possession is, if you really break down a possession is,
• 57:25
  Speaker 6: is when the shadow overtakes the persona. It dictates all
• 57:29
  Speaker 6: our decisions, It rationalizes everything that we do. And of course,
• 57:31
  Speaker 6: unfortunately we have people in power that their decisions have
• 57:35
  Speaker 6: a much wider reach in impact on the nation's and
• 57:38
  Speaker 6: what have you. And so we can just understand that
• 57:40
  Speaker 6: that's what's actually happened, is their sensated body has come through,
• 57:43
  Speaker 6: but not understanding that their physical decisions are actually being
• 57:47
  Speaker 6: dictated by that. And so this is kind of really
• 57:51
  Speaker 6: where humanity is coming into our own evolution, which is
• 57:54
  Speaker 6: really coming into the astrabody. And it is that navigation
• 57:56
  Speaker 6: of the unconscious, you know, and that's quite terrifying for
• 58:00
  Speaker 6: a lot of people. And so the book is almost
• 58:03
  Speaker 6: like a kind of a handbook in a way. It's
• 58:05
  Speaker 6: also an initiatory journey that will activate people because they
• 58:08
  Speaker 6: find themselves in the book. It's it's not it's my story,
• 58:11
  Speaker 6: but it's not written as my story.
• 58:12
  Speaker 5: It's written as the.
• 58:13
  Speaker 6: Symbolic expression that I have a conscious evolution. Will say
• 58:17
  Speaker 6: that everybody will really connect it. We'll say in each
• 58:19
  Speaker 6: poem or each piece is you know, it's it's mixed
• 58:23
  Speaker 6: with esotericism, it's mixed with kabbala and mythology and her
• 58:26
  Speaker 6: meticystem and it's just all those modalities are really really
• 58:30
  Speaker 6: deeply arranging because they are the symbols of our humanities
• 58:33
  Speaker 6: evolution at the conscious level, you know. And it's quite
• 58:37
  Speaker 6: deep in that way. But yeah, in a nutshell, that's
• 58:41
  Speaker 6: kind of what it is. It's it's it's that really
• 58:43
  Speaker 6: accompaniment of really navigating to that deep, deep sensated body.
• 58:47
  Speaker 4: I love that.
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: That's that's amazing. And I also love the way you
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: describe writing in a way to reach the subconscious, because
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: that's that's that's something I I don't aspire to be
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: able to do just myre it, but my book like
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: reads like a tech manual because that's that's how my
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: brain works. And this is what I'm saying, like different
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: styles of teaching, right, because when you can have something
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: really reach into someone subconscious like that, it can have
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: a profound effect. But for for other people that just
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: does not work. You have to it has to be
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: an equation for them to understand it. Right, So you
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: left brain right brand people, we need both and both
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: kinds of teachers.
• 59:24
  Speaker 4: I And the weird thing for me is that I.
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: Am deeply moved by that kind of writing and by
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: music and by art. But then I don't express it
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: myself the same way. It comes out very differently from me.
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: I know my talent is taking complex ideas and explaining
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: them in a simple way, but I don't do it poetically,
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: do it very matter of factly, you know. So I'm
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: very excited to read your book. I did. I did
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: have a question I really wanted to ask you, which
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: is just the title The Saturated Breath to tell me,
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: tell me about that.
• 59:55
  Speaker 6: Yeah, so it's yeah, I mean, how much time have
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 6: you got? Like but like obviously we were talking about
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 6: the breath of the roal hello hem. We talk about
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 6: that divine breath that comes in of spirits, and you know,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 6: it's the life bread it's the unconscious action that gives
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 6: us life. We can use the breath in the body
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 6: when it goes to the extremities to go into the
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 6: fibers where the past lives are stored and what we've
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 6: really suppressed you know again, that's all stored in those fibers,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 6: and so the breath is really that vehicle of that
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 6: fire that that we can really cut through the body.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 6: And in the saturated breath, of course, we're talking about
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 6: like it's a wet breadth. It's it's succumbing to the
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 6: great ocean, the great dark, the grade deep. But it's
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 6: actually allowing yourself to surrender. It's allowing yourself to sink
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 6: into those deep, dark waters. And that's why it's the
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 6: saturated breath, because it really I'm accepting this breath, I'm
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 6: breathing in this water. I'm succumbing and letting my lungs
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 6: feel so that it actually takes me to the bottom
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 6: of that deep, dark ocean. So it really is about
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 6: like that, succumbing and accepting that stage of the journey
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 6: to allow myself to fall into the unconscious. You know,
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 6: the first leg of the journey of that fire kind
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 6: of prepared me for how things go as much as
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 6: what it can do. Of course, it always changes in
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 6: a different factal and so kind of and often you
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 6: say in the introduction of the preface of the Saturated
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  Speaker 6: Breath is about, you know, I'm coming off the back
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  Speaker 6: of the I suppose the confidence I've gained from what
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 6: I went through and those fiery transformations of the of
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 6: the Phoenix Berts, and I use that to kind of,
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 6: you know, face this the great ocean of wild you know,
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 6: the wild nature, and allowing myself that when that, you know,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 6: that water element comes that the ice surrender to it.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 6: And so that's really what that Saturated Breath is. I
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 6: allow that breath to come in of the unconscious, to
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 6: breathe in the unconscious, let it overtake me and let
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 6: it take me where it needs to. And you know,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 6: it's a very very different battle in that element. But
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 6: that's kind of where that title comes from.
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  Speaker 4: A love of it.
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  Speaker 3: That's awesome, that's very cool. Yeah, you know, it's something
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: that occurred to me that that was funny because you
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: just to go back and minute ago and we were
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: talking about all the different ways the incident. One of
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 3: the first things that I did, like when I so,
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: I've been practicing magic since I was fifteen, but I
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: didn't have a powerful spiritual experience until I was thirty five, right,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: and then the two things came together thirty thirty something,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: maybe not thirty five, but it was around there, right,
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: And one of the first things I did is I
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: made this big list. It's it's still on my phone now.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: It's just says things that are the same thing, the
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: fourth dimension, the astral play in the spirit, realm, the
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: collective unconscious, they're all the same thing, you know. Just
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: having these kind of correspondence lists of things, you realize
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: like all these different traditions are doing different metaphors for
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 3: the one underlying principle. Right, So I love that we're
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: talking in those words now and saying like, yeah, different understandings,
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: different words, same thing.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that's the beauty of symbols.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 6: Like really, for me, it's like it's it's the simple
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 6: contains everything that anybody could ever possibly understand it to be,
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 6: and it's all of us, you know. So it's it's
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 6: all those different arms which are the one thing for me.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 6: And that's what I over that when I words, or
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 6: when I experience words of anything, everything is a symbol.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 6: The word is just here, but it just it opens
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 6: out to this wide v of infinity of anything that
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 6: can fit into it. Again, you go the color blue
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 6: for water, the element you know, you can keep adding
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 6: to it and adding to it. And that for me
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 6: then is you know, when when I read some of
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 6: those ancient texts or read those texts of other people
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 6: mystics and what have you, that's what I'm reading. I'm
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 6: reading that expression of the symbol, constantly letting it speak
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 6: to me where I'm at. And that's the beauty of
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 6: it is that there's no wrong.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: What what books or works would you ascribe to, like
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: having really influenced your own work?
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 4: What are your favorites?
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 5: And we not even so much in the way I write,
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 5: I don't think, but many many p Hall is always
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 5: a big, big.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 4: Plum for me.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 5: It was a very young age.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 6: I think it was one I just found him just
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 6: the way that he wrote just so simplistically complex, if
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 6: that kind of makes sense, even though it's paradoxical, you know,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 6: but it's he just went into such vastness, I think,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 6: but did it in a way that was very kind
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 6: of simple to read, and I think really captured something
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 6: that I was so interested in.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 5: I think, especially when.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 6: All my life and from a very young age that
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 6: I found like, oh, to somebody else's has really captured
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 6: this stuff that I'm seeking, but I don't even know
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 6: exactly what it is I'm seeking. But for him it
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 6: was like a big influence in just I suppose opening
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 6: me upwardly to what I was already maybe experiencing in
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 6: a different way myself. But the writing, I think has
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 6: just come from everything I've ever absorbed. Is just the
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 6: way that I express the way that I see the world,
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 6: the way that I experienced it, like I really experienced
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 6: the world really symbolically, just that way.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, awesome, very cool.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good question. I'm surprised, you know, I've
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: never thought of asking anybody that any authors on my
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: show that before. That's such a simple, great question. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: who are you inspired by? Other authors? Fuck?
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 5: Well, I mean, I.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: Tend to make assumptions sometimes, like I also just assume
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: that we all know the same shit because we talk
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: about it pretty fluently. But like you and I couldn't
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: be like we're pretty separate, like you're you' done a
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: lot with Cabala, and that's the one thing where I'm like,
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean, but we can still talk
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 3: about it just fine. Right, So I just realized, like,
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: wait a minute, like there's all these different ways to
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: come to this understanding. So then I'd love to know
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: what ways they were for everyone. I said, just assuming
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 3: that it was similar to mine.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 6: Blavatski as well was another huge one for me. I mean,
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 6: I think what really got me with Blovaski was that
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 6: I knew who Blovaski was before I ever knew who
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 6: she was.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 5: And I know that sounds mental, but you.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 6: Know, obviously took me later in night before I really
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 6: understood a lot of the things that were really happening
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 6: when I was younger, but I understood, I knew the
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 6: secret doctrine, but without having read it. We'll say from
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 6: from the way I was taught, we'd say from an
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 6: experience that we'd say when I was very very young,
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 6: but I never knew that to have the verbalization to
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 6: be able even to state that until much later in
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 6: life when I kind of gone through a lot of
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 6: the experiences. But I mean, I think it was just
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 6: the expression of I think count me, and I think
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 6: that really really connected with me, and that wisdom just
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 6: made so much sense to me from from from a
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 6: very different.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 5: Sensated experience. I think, not even so much the words.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 6: A lot of the theosophical writings have really really captu
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 6: meat thing over the years. But again, as you said,
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 6: it's it's all, it's all. It's all just the same
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 6: thing we're all talking about. We're just expressing it through
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 6: different ways and through different means. And that's again, it's
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 6: how I think what we kind of union and come
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 6: back into our communities to realize, hey, we are all
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 6: speaking the same thing. We're just using different words and
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 6: maybe different cultures and different modalities.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, And another thing that we you know, that I
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 8: think is so important in this area is to say
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 8: we know that we don't know, Like I know that
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 8: I don't know shit, right, I don't know anything, and
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 8: we're all just trying to figure it out.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 4: And these are.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: Helpful modalities to do that, but at the end of
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: the day, like we don't. They're just words. They're just
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: words that we're using to describe and experience. It's probably
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: not even real.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 4: Like that, but we have to.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: You know, Ain't that the truth?
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: That's so funny though.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 5: The beach, isn't it. You know, we're trying to understand
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 5: the beach and we're just a green of sound like.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 3: You know, yeah for real, I mean, I mean we
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: are like and try to imagine the entire universe, which
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 3: we're now finding out as much older and larger than
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 3: even thought.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 4: It was like, oh my gosh, you.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: Know, yeah, there was something I came across. I wish
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: I remember what exactly it was so it could be specific,
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: but there was something I came across that they were
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: even talking.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: Now, this is if you believe what's out there, well,
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: you know what they're telling you, that they came across
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: something that if they're like, if they kind of confirm it,
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: they're like, this might actually change physics because it actually
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: goes against everything that like we've been there's a.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 4: Little bit a number of those recently.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 3: One of them was really really cool because it was
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 3: there finding it fully for warm galaxy, Yeah, I think
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: it was. Then then it should be theoretically possible based
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: on a fourteen billion year old universe. So this has
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 3: to do with the red shift of light. But here's
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: something when here's being wild. Pete Carroll predicted that back
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: in the eighties via a channeled message that he got
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 3: because Pete was like much closer to a real scientist
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 3: certainly than I am. But yeah, he predicted that we
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 3: would we red shift would would show galaxies far older
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: than our standard model predicts. He was right, Well, yeah,
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 3: it's exciting.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 6: Times we have a head, like I mean, because I
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 6: really do see that what we spoke. But I really
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 6: do see that marriage is going to start to happen when,
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 6: like I said, it can see some pockets of it
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 6: happened with like physicists and content physics speaking to some mystics,
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 6: and like those seeds are already being planted, and I
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 6: think that is going to be the way forward, is
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 6: way to like with the physics stature, maybe look in
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 6: a different way.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 3: Well, I have an idea about that, and I want
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: to preface this by saying, like if anyone listening to
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: this is like a physicist, you're about to hate.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: Me so.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: And it's fine. But because I'm not a physicist, I'm
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: not good at math either. I don't like it. But
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: it seems to me that the search for the smallest particle, right,
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: which is a lot of what they're doing over at
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: the LHC, the large Tangern Collider, trying to look for
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: like the big Higgs Boson particle and such. So my understanding,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 3: which is based entirely on esotericism, right, is that there's
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 3: no way you could ever find the smallest particle in
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: three dimensions.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 4: Anything that has with.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: Depth and height can be divided, so there will never
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: the search for the quote unquote smallest particle will never
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 3: end until we get into thinking in outside of three dimensions, right,
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 3: because a two dimensional thing, I don't know if we'd
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: even be able.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 4: To detect it.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 3: Or string theory, which says that everything's made of one
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 3: dimensional strings. That really makes sense to me because many
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: one dimensional strings can create a three dimensional object, but
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: there's not going to be any smallest three dimensional objects.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 3: And in the same way that consciousness always finds whatever
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 3: it's looking for, like, we will always continue to find
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: smaller and smaller and smaller particles as long as we're looking,
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: as long as we're looking for them, and it's just
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 3: a dog chasing its own tail. It's just going round
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 3: and round and round in circles. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 6: In finish, the exists in finite spaces. You can always
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 6: make it smaller, as you said, you can always divide.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 6: So infinisity exists. So it is your paradox straight away
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 6: exactly like you know.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, if it's in three dimensions, it has with depth
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 3: and height that it's and it's something that could be
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 3: experienced no matter how small it is, it can be
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: broken up. I mean we split the atom like one
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: hundred years ago, in eighty years ago, sixty years or
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: something like that, like, and we thought that was the
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 3: smallest thing back then. Now we're like ten layers deeper
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 3: than that, Like, this must be the smallest thing. We're
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 3: gonna go ten layers deeper than that too and find out, oh,
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 3: this must be the smallest thing. I think it's in.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 3: I think it's a never ending search. I think I
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 3: think that you're gonna find out that infinity exists. Right,
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 3: there's no by looking for these things, we're not creating
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 3: them per se, but we are looking through a lens
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 3: that is infinite.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I really agree with that.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: And again, now think about what you were saying earlier
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: with if we're just using words to explain to fake reality,
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: think about how a hologram works. That's all just like
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: one little small thing being reduplicated that creates it to look.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 4: Like fractals man everything.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 3: And then consciousness being so you mentioned conscious is being
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 3: fractal Peter, which I think, yeah, because what if there
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 3: So in my worldview, there is one consciousness and it's
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 3: divided into many fractal bits that don't recognize itself. Right,
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 3: So you take it so metaphorically, if you shatter a
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 3: mirror and you're looking at all the pieces, you're reflected
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: back in these thousands of pieces of broken glass, And
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: that's what we are, right there is the one mirror
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: and it's reflected back to the one thing and just
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: in you know, millions of expressions of that broken mirror.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 3: So I love that that visualization because you can really
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 3: do this. You can break a mirror and look at it,
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 3: and the image looking back is different in everyone because
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 3: of the angles of the light. So they're all unique
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 3: but they're all reflecting back the one, the one truth.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: So yeah, that's that's kind of how I think. I
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 3: think the things as being one thing divided into many parts,
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 3: just like just like you are are not and then
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 3: you know you're an individual, but you're also made of
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 3: trillions of living organisms.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 6: M Yeah, Illustra in the Aromatic accidents were both as books.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 6: So below, I mean that that's exactly what we're talking about.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 6: It no matter what fact you look at, you find
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 6: the same. It might it might be a little bit
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 6: different physically on the surface what it looks like when
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 6: it operates the same conscious expression. So again, as you
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 6: said cells to you know, to the human you know individual,
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 6: you know, the human individual, to the you know, you
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 6: can go on the planets, to the to the galaxies.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 6: You know it it's just it's it's it might be different, like, Okay,
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 6: we're not circular around balls like planets, but everything operates
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 6: the same way. You know, our conscious navigates people around
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 6: us who we attract and repel, you know, just like
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 6: gravitational fields. We'll say in planets, like it's it might
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 6: express itself a little bit different, but it is the
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 6: same fractal of consciousness. It just expressed itself in different ways.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 6: And you know it's like the zoom in and the
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 6: zoom out. Is that is that is the whole thing
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 6: for me is where how do I learn more about myself?
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 6: But I can I can focus into anything and I
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 6: can see myself in it because I can understand it's
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 6: not me, but it operates in a way that I
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 6: can see myself in it, like the harmony of nature.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 6: You know, I can see the cycles of nature throughout
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 6: the years, what we go through, or you know, I
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 6: can also go to you know, you can look at anything.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 6: Anything is a symbol and if you focus on it
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 6: with an intention, it will speak back to you and
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 6: you learn agree.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, fully, I think that everything in reality. I mean,
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 4: and I think that so this this will be.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 3: Like a wild take, but I think that even there's
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 3: symbols that we make, like as magicians, you know, we
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  Speaker 3: can where's my cameras over here? We can make like sigils,
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  Speaker 3: you know, ship like that. But then also like this
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  Speaker 3: is a symbol. It's just a sharpie and maybe I
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  Speaker 3: don't understand the symbol, but I think we live in
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 3: a symbolic reality. I think that that all the physical
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  Speaker 3: existence is just symbols and we don't but we mistake
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  Speaker 3: it for this physical experience that we think we're having.
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  Speaker 2: Mm hmm, yeah, that kind of for sure.
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  Speaker 3: That's like a symbol for the avalon right away, because
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  Speaker 3: like one of the first things that teaches you is
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  Speaker 3: the only thing that exists is mind. That when I
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 3: read that was like, that makes perfect sense, not in
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  Speaker 3: like a solipistic way, but like just in the fundamental
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  Speaker 3: nature of reality.
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  Speaker 5: But you perceive it to be.
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  Speaker 6: It is you know what somebody perceives me or you
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  Speaker 6: to be, that we are that to them, no matter.
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  Speaker 4: What perception is. The quality of mind.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, the merge back was mirrored pieces so
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  Speaker 6: that we can kind of unify back into one, to
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  Speaker 6: get those all those reflections aligned, to accept all as
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  Speaker 6: part of the one as well, you know again go
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 6: back to community again. But it's just yeah, it's just
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  Speaker 6: it's just it's just such a beautiful, vast and infinite
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  Speaker 6: journey that it's just what I find. The most beautiful
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  Speaker 6: thing is that it's the only thing that satiates me,
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  Speaker 6: but it will never fully sayate me.
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  Speaker 5: So there's always more, there's always more of that.
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  Speaker 6: Cup to drink and I love that. Like you know,
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  Speaker 6: it's a never ending journey. And I've obviously done it.
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  Speaker 6: We've all done it in previous lifetimes. We'll do it again.
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  Speaker 5: And that that is just you know.
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  Speaker 4: That's it.
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  Speaker 6: It's the cup that never feels, but it feels good
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  Speaker 6: as it feels, if that makes sense.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know I also think that. So this
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  Speaker 4: might be a hot take.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, but I don't want to fix the mirror. Imagine,
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  Speaker 3: Imagine you're really lonely. Okay, Imagine you're the one thing
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  Speaker 3: that exists in all of reality.
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  Speaker 4: You in a mirror. Okay, the first thing I would
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  Speaker 4: do is shatter that mirror.
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  Speaker 3: Great now, we've got friends.
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  Speaker 4: Other people.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to put the mirror back together and
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 3: go back to everything just being boring.
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  Speaker 2: That's funny. I got Peter, did you you did mention
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  Speaker 2: something also? Uh? Or I thought you did about uh
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  Speaker 2: maybe working on another book to come out.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, so I have I have the next one ready. Well,
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 5: I say I have it ready.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 6: It's like the pieces are written for it already, and
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 6: this is going to be in the element of air.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 6: But it's just a case of sitting down and compiling
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 6: because I, as an author goes into it and getting
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 6: the energy into it. Again, I could mean for me
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 6: it is the radio. It's you know, it's a really
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 6: a chemical process for me. But yeah, having the element
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 6: of air ready to go, which will come in yellow
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 6: and that mercurial yellow, I think it will be the
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 6: color will be going.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 5: You see that this one is very.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 6: Much this is my fire, so hardcover what obviously, then
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 6: the saturated breath comes in the blue for the for
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 6: the water, and so next we'll be coming to yellow.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 6: So the poems themselves are written, I just need to
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 6: give myself of time and space to kind of start
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 6: putting it together and what ones are are going to
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 6: go into it in that stage of the journey.
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  Speaker 5: So hopefully maybe in the next twelve months.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 6: I'm always weary putting time frames and things because I
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 6: always run over for SA year to probably be two
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 6: or three years.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 5: But that's the goal.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, you know, nice, nice, nice, any like any thing
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  Speaker 2: that maybe you want to, I guess mention until I
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: kind of promote what's what the book will be about
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: for the listeners, not saying they get deep into it,
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: but maybe.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm kind of touch.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 5: I touched in a bit, but on the new book is.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: It our Yeah, yeah, although yeah, the one that's that's
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: going to be coming out eventually.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, So it's going to be very much I think
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 6: about the balancing of the mental plane I think of,
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 6: and obviously, of course when we talk about any plane,
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 6: it's it's balanced through the human, the earthly body, you know,
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 6: not going away. So it's very much kind of that way,
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 6: as they said, like the first one was the Fire,
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 6: which is about like the burning, and we say through
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 6: the physical walls. We'll say, the saturated breadth is very
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 6: much about going into the unconscious and the sensated body.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 6: This one, which I don't have a title for yet,
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 6: will be very much about, like now, the merging of
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 6: that mind coming in alignment with those other bodies. We'll say,
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 6: where they start to you know, start to communicating in unison.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 6: So in a nutshell, that's kind of what I will
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 6: be the expression I think through and.
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  Speaker 2: The activation that sounds awesome, yeh.
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  Speaker 5: And it's just earth.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, So then I assume you're gonna have a this
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  Speaker 3: plan for all four of the elements.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and it kind of just naturally unfolded.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 6: But yeah, the Earth definitely, but it's it's it's been
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 6: like I suppose that joining my own initiations and how
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 6: the bodies have kind of been, I had to burn
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 6: through that that protective layer of the surface first in
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 6: the emotions. Then it was getting the mind balanced for
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 6: what it unlocked in those and then the earth is
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 6: about now like the the total embodiment in the you know,
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 6: in the physical body. We'll say, of those others now
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 6: all speaking together, we'll say, so that's kind of the
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 6: journey of it, that it's just naturally unfolded.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: Cool. Yeah, And you also, did you want to promote
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: that you have like a school or a type thing
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: going on, correct.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I have.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 6: So I have a Mister School, which is the Golden
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 6: Rose Mister School. So I've just launched that now this year.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 6: I had two previous schools that were kind of really
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 6: getting you ready for this one. So that just started
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 6: actually just last Sunday. So that's kind of closed until
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 6: twelve months later, but I'll be taking I only take
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 6: a maximum twelve mints in that space over the twelve months,
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 6: but that will be open for people to apply for
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 6: the next twelve months until I open again. But I'm
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 6: launching an Introduction to her Medicism course in starting on
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 6: September the sixteenth, which is a nine week online course.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 6: So I kind of go deep into, well deep into
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 6: an introduction for our medicism to give a good basin,
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 6: but the way I teach is very much true. I go,
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 6: I kind of create a weave from the mental plane downwards,
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 6: so I kind of a chune to the enerview who's
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 6: in my space, and I kind of end up kind
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 6: of just in that channel speaking about relative to what
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 6: they experience in their lives or what they're going through
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 6: to bring in I suppose the understanding of how the
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 6: science of conscience really is. The way that I'm really
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 6: coming up with with our Medicism is the way that
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 6: I teach. But that begins in September the sixteenth, which
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 6: is online over nine weeks. It's live and interactive, but
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 6: it's also recorded and uploaded to a private space for
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 6: all members will have access to it as well.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: Awesome, Yeah, it's cool, man. It's good luck with that's I've.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 4: Got a more of that in the world.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 3: There's more mystery schools, man, Like I want all mystery
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 3: schools to become like Starbucks.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 4: Easy Wild oh yeah, right, No, I'm dead serious. I
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 4: want to see.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 3: What I really want is for to get incorporated into
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 3: a basic education, like I would love for kids to
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 3: like learn astrology, like not in a spiritual religious sense
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 3: in public school, but like the the basics of the
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 3: I mean, we're a millennia away from that. Never mind,
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 3: it's not going to happen.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 5: But what it takes us one seed, What it takes
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 5: us one seed, you.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 4: Know, well, you know the one of the print.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 3: The fundamental principle of of my school of the Order
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 3: of Chaos is that consciousness is just a scientific word
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 3: for spirit. That's all right, They're the same thing, right,
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 3: things are the same thing. Consciousness and spirit are the
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 3: same thing. So if we could accept that, then it
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 3: becomes now, this all becomes a matter of science, like
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 3: that that connection right there changes everything. But I don't
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 3: I have no idea how long before a physicist acknowledges that,
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 3: or even like mainstream academia as a whole, like yeah,
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 3: maybe hundreds of years, baby, Never.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 4: I trust that.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 6: Trust I think we're in these near stages now, we're
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 6: the seating, you know, like these conversations are much more
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 6: I suppose it's common you know in today's world, you know,
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 6: I mean you would have been putt at the stake
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 6: before if we spoke about this. We we've come somewhat
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 6: of a way anyway, you know, so it's just leading to,
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 6: you know, whatever comes next, so we can just do
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 6: each of our own parts really like, isn't.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: It yeah, Jeered? Yeah, but uh, Peter, thank you very
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: much for coming on, man, I really had a great time.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 2: That was an awesome chat. There's great stuff talked about too.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: And then thank you very much Samory for coming on man.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 3: Really Yeah, back to work.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: Do you want to soundra before we wrap it up?
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: Do you want to promote your show again or anything
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: in your book?
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 4: Do I still have a show? I think I just
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 4: like doing your show. Yeah. My books and on October second,
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 4: we're almost there. It's done.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 3: I cannot fix it anymore. The editor told me I
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 3: have to stop, so it's definitely on its way. I
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 3: think it might have been printing it now. You can
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 3: pre order it on Amazon. My book is called Chaos Witchcraft,
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 3: which is you know, it's I guess a more spiritual
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 3: approach to chaos magic is what we could call it.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 3: I worked with Pete Carroll for several years we have.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 3: You know, I had many really great conversations in which
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 3: I kind of developed my own view of things, and
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 3: I wanted to split off from the traditional chaos magic
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 3: current and bring in something a little more related to
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 3: I guess we could call traditional Witchcraft's ideas.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 4: So I'll be out soon.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 3: Of course, you can join the Order of Chaos to
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 3: Cult University, which I I mean no.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 4: Offense, Peter.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 3: I intend to be the greatest school of occultism on Leanders,
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 3: you know, not not that it's a competition, which I
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 3: love very much. We do a live lecture every Tuesday
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 3: at Q and every Sunday, and I post new content
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 3: every week.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 4: And I'm done.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: That's it. That's all I got. That was awesome. Thank
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: you very much again for real for coming on song.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's some really great stuff to add in questions. Man,
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: that was really good. Thank you. And uh, mister Peter Kelly,
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: please anything you'd like to promote or plug remind people about.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, as I.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 6: Said this the course as I mentioned, which is coming
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 6: up on September the sixteenth. So if anyone's interested, they
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 6: can just dig and reach out to me. They give
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 6: me any Instagram at Subconsciously Conscious and my website is Peter.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 5: Kelly dot online.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 6: And I have a couple of initiatory offerings that I
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 6: do that the Golden Rose School of course is it
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 6: kind of won't be open again for about maybe around
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 6: next summer.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 5: But I do have an initiation.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 6: I do True Mythology, which is the archetype of Prometheus,
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 6: which is takes people through a journey of the lesser
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 6: initiation but true true mythology themselves and connecting in through
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 6: True Mythology next year probably hopefully maybe early next year
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 6: twenty twenty seven, I have an initiation through through Taro,
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 6: which is going to be the Book of Thought, which
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 6: is going to be very very deep initiation that's going
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 6: to go through the major econa of Taro as well.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 6: So yeah, more or less that that's kind of more
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 6: I said I think for now. Yeah, just you can
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 6: reach out to me on social media or through the website.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 3: I'm checking out your website right now. It looks really
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 3: really it's a great website.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Actually, thank you very much again, Peter. Again, like
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: I said, I thought that was a really great chat. Well,
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: it was pretty in depth discussion for me, So I
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: appreciate it for both of you.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 6: I appreciate preaching having us on as well. I mean
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 6: it goes we're just kind of randomly connected. There a
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 6: couple of weeks back and stuff, and it was just yeah,
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 6: it was just perfect time. And Claire, my good friend
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 6: Richie reached out as well, So I appreciate the Claire
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 6: as well for touching base with you. But yeah, for
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 6: both of you, man, I really appreciate it coming around
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 6: and having these conversations that are really important.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 5: So appreciate it and.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: Thank you of course, of course, and thank everybody in
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: the chat. That's what's up. That's why I go alive.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: I appreciate the comments and stuff and everybody checking it
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: out and until the next one, everybody, you will later.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: Close your words, look into the darkness, find the blazing story,
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: focus on they'd be called the eclipse. Don't feel thank you,
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: Sure you do good?
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  Speaker 8: You better tell everything
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  Speaker 2: I knew, have hear