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The Hardest Part of Being a Dog Trainer · You Know What I Mean?

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  Welcome to the You Know what I Mean podcast by Kate and
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  Hi. Good morning.
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  Good morning. How are we doing?
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  Much better today. Good.
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  It was yesterday. Not great.
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  Well the golden I have then who is super sweet but was waking us
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  up with barking the first night and I got a 77 sleep score which
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  is whatever but I'm not used to that.
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  OK, 77 is a not that bad, but also the fact that we've
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  realized our different rings is wild.
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  Well, I was surprised. Mine asked me to stretch my legs
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  yesterday at one point. That's new.
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  Oh my gosh. Yeah, maybe it's because it's
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  like, well, you moved so much when Kate was there, which you
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  normally do, like you're an active person, but like we were
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  go, go going some of the days. Oh yeah, like, well, because.
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  Yeah, what is your ring? Mine's a ring con.
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  OK, so mine's aura. So mine rewards me for being
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  lazy. It tells me, wow, you got so
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  much more restorative time yesterday, which just means
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  laying on the couch watching TV. Meanwhile mine gaslights me to
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  get up and move more even though I'm already pretty Dang active
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  and also tells me like I'm sleeping too long.
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  If I'm like laying in bed for 9 hours I'm like what?
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  OK, mine rewards me for napping. I know mine tells me go ahead
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  and go get a nice workout in today.
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  I wonder if that's from the goals you put in.
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  I don't even, I didn't even put in goals.
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  Oh. Well, I mean, maybe maybe I did,
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  I don't remember, but I think it just had me put in like what's
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  your height, What's your weight? What's your lifestyle like?
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  And maybe it's because I put in like my lifestyle is like
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  active, I don't know. But like, I mean, it likes when
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  I get at least 8 hours of sleep. But if I go to bed, say one
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  night, I spend 10 hours in bed, like I'm reading and then go to
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  bed and it'll literally be like, don't do that tomorrow, not.
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  Mild. Not with that verbiage, but
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  it'll basically be like, hey, like we saw that your sedentary
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  state in the evening was quite high.
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  Like we took basically my sleep score was down because of that.
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  Yeah, right. I'm just trying to like, you
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  know, do the thing that people say, unwind, get off your phone
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  before bed, read. Mine tells me don't do that.
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  Oh my gosh, well I've learned. I think I told you this my
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  sneaky way of because it used to dock me for laying in bed, but
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  watching I'm watching TV in bed. You read, I watch TV and it
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  would dock my sleep squarks. It thought I was trying to fall
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  asleep so my latency was longer. Yeah, you were saying I need to
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  try that, like take it off while I'm reading because it's true.
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  Like I will sometimes get in bed and read 3 or 4 pages and I'm
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  already like, I need to put my book down because I need to.
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  Like it makes me want to fall asleep so quickly, which I love
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  because literally then I'm out. But so my like, heart rate and
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  all that must be coming down when I'm laying there and like,
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  relaxing even though I'm awake. But yeah, my ring basically
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  tells me I'm a lazy pile. Isn't that so funny?
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  It's kind of perfect for both of us though, because I really like
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  being lazy, honestly. So funny.
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  Oh yeah, mine will tell me like if I so I totally like in the
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  evenings veg. Like once we're done, we like
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  sit on the couch, eat our dinner, then we watch TV and
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  mine will tell me like if we're two hours, only two hours in for
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  sitting. Like, you need to get up for a
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  second. It'd be really good for you to
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  move. Like, OK, I need to give her a
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  name. Like, kind of like a bullying
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  friend. Yeah, yeah, Brenda.
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  That could be. I'm sorry if there's any
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  Brenda's listening, but I feel like Brenda could be a little
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  bit like nasty. Sometimes I'd like a graphic
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  when I give a name to someone. Well I accidentally gave it my
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  mother in law's name a bunch of times.
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  I think I was just subconscious so.
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  But one time someone was like, excuse me, my name is actually
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  Carol and I do have a golden retriever.
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  And I was like, Oh my God. I'm just sorry, like, well, this
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  one's for you, Carol. Are you watching my good shows?
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  We just finished Fallout. Do you like sci-fi?
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  Kinda Indiana. Anias.
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  What did I just say? Anias.
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  Anias to be Anias. No, no, we're not big sci-fi
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  people like I love like an like Avatar movie.
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  I love like stuff like that. But shows were really not like
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  sci-fi. People that I wouldn't like it,
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  but I do well, this is the one I told you that there's a Malinois
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  and I was like it's actually a really cool looking Malinois and
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  you were like no Bethany, you cannot get a Malinois.
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  Which by the way, this odor that I have and this blew me away and
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  I've never worked with a Malinois except our Malinois mix
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  and our German Shepherd who is very leaning Malinois.
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  I feel like from what I've heard and what and Robbie.
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  Yeah. He's heavily grumbly.
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  He's. He just walks like a Rottweiler.
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  Yes, he's just like, fuck around and find out.
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  But it's funny, we both have goldens right now, but the one
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  golden. So the golden I have the owner
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  shows up and he's like, oh, and I also have a nine year old
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  Malinois. And I was like, what?
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  OK, that's really cool. I don't know, it tells me
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  something. About them really, yeah, they're
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  retired cops so it makes total sense The the thing about it is
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  I trained 1. He almost had to have been a
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  pure like he wasn't pure but like he probably had a little
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  bit of German shepherd in him when they did his DNA test.
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  One of my favorite dogs I honestly ever worked with.
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  And I will say like just like anything like he was just I
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  think a little bit more of well, it had to have been a much more
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  like docile version. He still looks like oh, high
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  energy, kind of like I talk about how Louis is like you guys
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  find her very high energy and she is she's on but like she
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  also has a really and I know it's obviously because she lives
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  with you guys, but she's a really nice off switch and
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  that's it. Same with this like Malinwall
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  mix that I trained. He was actually like really,
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  really awesome. So the breed seems so freaking
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  cool. The only reason I wouldn't get
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  one with not the only reason, there's multiple reasons, but
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  the main reason is I think that like they should go do sport and
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  go do that stuff and I'm not interested.
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  No, you're interested in doing any of that.
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  I saw and I was so like, I would never want to do this and more
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  power to anyone who likes to do it.
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  And this is the thing like even the golden's owner was like, I
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  want to take him. He's ex military and he was
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  like, I don't know, I'm just painting a picture, but he wants
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  to take the golden to like do barn sniffing and like dock
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  diving. And I was like, wow, that's so
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  cool. Like I love that.
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  And but with, Oh, OK, so online I saw I came across another
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  trainer who has a Malinois and was doing like the where the
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  Malmo goes from one side to the other and it's like opening its
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  mouth, panting and like just super excitable.
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  And I was like, OK, that's I'm sure that's cool to a lot of
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  people. I just don't like, I don't like
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  it. I don't know if it's because it
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  feels chaotic. Yeah, it feels so intense, and
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  that's why I wouldn't want one because like, that dog is
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  literally having so much freaking fun.
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  Yes. It's.
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  Perfect. Owner for the dogs.
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  Yeah, yeah, exactly. But otherwise, besides the
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  waking you guys up in the middle of the night, you like your
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  golden. I do.
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  It's a boy, right, Thor? Boy, super sweet, young, so like
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  very malleable. I feel like very food motivated
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  and like I was saying yesterday, I was just trying a couple of
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  things where using food on the walk for something.
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  And normally I don't like using food we talked about as the last
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  podcast episode And I, I, and I feel like I've been mentioning
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  this a lot because I just feel this so strongly.
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  I try to avoid chaotic stuff with dogs and I feel like that's
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  something a lot of people lean into is using the food and doing
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  all the things and that has its place.
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  But I, I'm just overly sensitive, probably from earlier
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  experiences where I tried to do that because I thought it was
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  the right thing to do. I'm just not getting the results
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  that I now feel like I can get. But totally it's been fun
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  working with him. Like that's good.
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  Like kennel stuff. Like I just that I struggle with
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  kennel stuff. Oh yeah, you're like, I want you
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  to be like, show up actually kennel trained.
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  Yes, and he was. Yeah, that's The thing is like,
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  that's some of these dogs that I get into.
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  I'm like, Oh my gosh. Which again, our setup's a
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  little bit different. Like they have to get used to
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  like the traffic moving around them.
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  So like, I totally know dogs are gonna have like transitional
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  periods in our space just cause like that's where I'm working.
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  They're, you know, hearing a lot more than, you know, an enclosed
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  space, which I do kind of miss that.
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  But also I love having our building.
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  But yeah, that's the great day and that I got in yesterday.
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  Like. Oh, which I knew, like I knew
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  she was going to have some of that for sure because they have
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  been still struggling with the FOMO stuff, but I was like, oh,
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  girl is strong willed. I am like she is really
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  committed to this right now. It was actually kind of funny
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  because I was like taking a bazillion like videos just
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  talking about it because I'm like, again, you and I talk
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  about it's like, I want to show the stuff that it's like this
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  isn't, it's annoying. This is stuff that we want to
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  work through and this is how I'm working through it right now
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  because I, it doesn't matter if I can show the dog walking
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  beautifully next to me. That's also fun.
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  I love showing that they look adorable.
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  But I'm like, this is the type of stuff I honestly get asked
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  questions about all of the time. It's like, OK, well, my dog's
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  crate trained, but when this is going on around them, they're
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  barking their head off. So that's why I was trying to
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  like document all of it. I didn't share the rest of this
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  video. Not that I wouldn't.
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  I just was like, OK, I've got a bazillion and a half stories,
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  right Is I was talking. I'm like, it's actually really
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  interesting because in these contexts I'm extremely patient.
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  But otherwise I would not call myself a super patient person.
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  Same. Yeah, like.
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  About you get message from people who are.
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  Like or about me? What?
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  About you or about me? Oh, I feel the same way.
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  See, I feel you're a much more patient person than I am.
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  Really. Yes, Like you're not patient
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  from standpoint of like like taking a second to think about
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  how you can work through it. You're immediately Bobby, but
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  like I'm like think about you and Casey like talking at the
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  trainer and you. I give you both a look like zip
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  it like don't, don't push me. But like with the dog stuff, I'm
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  like, especially when it's new, I'm like, I don't know what
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  comes over me, but my aura is just like, I'm so patient.
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  I bet you get messages from people who are like, wow, you're
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  so patient. Like when I get that I'm like
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  okay, well give me some instructions for an IKEA couch
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  and you I'll lose it. Lose it?
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  Yeah. Sent out the door.
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  Yeah. I don't know if it's just
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  because it's like, because I I feel the same way too.
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  And maybe it's just from experience of working with
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  different dogs and knowing like how this goes and like even
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  yesterday, I'm patient in the. Can you hear Theo digging in his
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  bed? No.
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  OK, so you hit the nice. Mic, I can only hear you.
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  I know. This is so nice.
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  Yeah. So it's because the last episode
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  where Bobby listened, he was like, Oh my God, you sound so
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  terrible on that word. And Kate sounds so amazing.
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  I was like, OK. Well don't worry, I was blurry
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  and you were crystal clear. But yeah, with like yesterday
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  with this golden, I'm like an owner sometimes.
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  And I just even with all my, with this being my 9th year of
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  doing this, I still have a moment like, Oh my God, this
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  entire time is going to be this dog waking me up in the middle
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  of the night. It's one night and it's part of
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  the process. I still have those things where
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  I have to like take a breath Yesterday also with a 77 sleep
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  score. I'm going to keep saying this
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  just because today I got a 96 and I feel like I'm a brand new
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  human. I've never had a 96 mine.
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  Mine's a tough scorer too. But doesn't tell me about
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  Brenda. I know Brenda, if I get a 91,
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  she's like excellent sleep and I'm like, that is excellent.
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  Like I'm always in like the high 80s.
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  So if I get above a 90, I'm like I'm doing something right in
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  this world. I feel like your ring is so
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  perfect for you. It's like you and ring form.
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  Oh no, I'm Brenda. Maybe we need to give a better
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  like better name. That's fine.
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  I I could like align with Brenda.
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  Well, should mine be like a sloth?
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  Like name Claire? No, no.
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  Claire is not. I have an owner who's Claire and
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  she's like such a go getter so I can't use that.
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  But Claire just seems kind of like AI.
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  Feel like a nice sloth hanging from the tree would be named
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  Claire but. Well, did you ever go to
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  Claire's to get like your ear pierced and stuff?
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  I think that's why you got ears down at Claire's too, right?
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  Oh my God, is that why we both have sensitive ears?
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  Well, and also I have your earrings.
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  Go earrings. Remember just a miscellaneous
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  2nd hole next to your first hole?
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  It's way too close for comfort. We went.
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  We went to go get dinner. When?
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  Kate yeah, we got to give contacts here.
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  And Kate was like, you should go, I'm so easily influenced and
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  it's hard when I'm in a place where I can buy things and OK,
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  but you. Kept talking about these
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  earrings. Which I have on right now.
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  I'm so excited. I.
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  Still love them. Yeah, they're just like yours.
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  So you were like, you should go in and go get some.
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  And so I like I'll tell the. Guys, you went to the bathroom.
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  Not that like literally, I think we just do that for fun for
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  ourselves because Bobby could do less if you go in and buy
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  something, I think. It was just like, I think I like
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  the narrative of the like. Oh, meekly, go buy these
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  earrings. So I come out, it's in the wrong
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  hole. So I have.
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  Turns out I have three holes. I knew I had two and I had.
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  No idea she had a third, you guys.
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  So it was in the wrong 1st hole. It was slightly too far away
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  from the lobe. OK two things.
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  First I want to know whoever pierced your other hole that
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  close to the first. But how do you not remember
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  getting a third piercing? I mean, it's been 25 years.
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  What am I, 40? So yeah, since I was like in
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  middle school. What is?
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  Going on with this, are you OK? So you're telling me in middle
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  school they like, put the placement wrong and you're like,
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  you know what? I'm gonna go back in.
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  I doubt it. That that's what I'm saying.
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  I'm like, when did this happen? I don't.
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  Know maybe they just did it and it was like oh sorry, and then
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  did another one. I don't know.
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  Oh, I get which. Not in this year.
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  So I think they caught it here and.
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  The point is in that ear too. Oh, it's in bow, it's coming
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  off. It's I feel like it can hear me
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  talking about the hole it's in. Seriously.
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  OK, what were we talking about before we got back to the
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  earrings? I don't know something.
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  I'm really I'm sure, yeah. Oh can I tell you an OK, so can
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  we also mention how we have a thing where we come and have
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  like 3 topics to talk about? Yeah.
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  Have have you been doing that? Yes, well, this morning I was
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  panicked about it. Like Oh my God, I.
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  Gotta have a few topics like oh wing it.
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  Well, last night, because I like just meeting with you so.
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  I'm coming with all the questions which that most of
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  them were trainers that Roden. So I'm like, so that'll be like
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  our trainer topic. OK, I love that.
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  Well, because I have something that happened last night.
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  And also if she's listening, I don't want to make her feel bad
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  at all. It's an owner who she texted me
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  and it's just on the I don't know the reality of being a
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  trainer. And sometimes it's hard to not
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  take on things from owners. Like I'm not at a place where I
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  like we heard trainers talking about this at the trainer and
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  you where people struggle with like if someone struggling, they
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  think it's like they have to fix it.
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  I don't have that. I'm like, I give you all the
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  information. I try to help you.
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  If you take it, great. If not, not my not my thing.
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  Yeah, but an owner who I really like.
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  She texted me last night and said her dog bit someone and
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  this. Is wild because I'll jump in as
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  well. I've just had a very similar
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  situation with an owner. Not a way not biting a person
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  biting a dog and I talked to her yesterday.
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  So this is wild. Keep going.
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  Whoa. OK, that's so weird.
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  Yeah OK OK I'll tell mine and I want to hear yours so and it's
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  this really sweet dog who I loved working with like sweet.
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  I'm not going to say what kind of dog but.
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  And so she said she took him to this like small dog park area at
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  her condo which I've told her not to go to blah blah blah.
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  But there's like 2 dogs that they'll meet up with and he is
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  friendly but reactive on leash. So she said someone she was
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  picking up poop had her back turned.
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  Someone came in to open the gate, their little King Charles
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  Cavalier, her dog ran over, went to try to go after that dog.
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  The owner picked the dog up and he went up and bit the owner.
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  And then she said we're also in another lawsuit for another bite
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  that has happened. And I'm like, what?
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  And this is it. I shouldn't have even looked at
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  the text, but I really like this owner.
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  And it was like 6:00 PM and I was thinking, Oh my gosh, I'm
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  like a little stressed about this dog I have.
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  And now like, I really have to try and protect my mental space.
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  And so, but it was kind of like a feeling of I care for this
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  owner and dog, but also I can't like take on this.
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  There's only so much I can do. And so anyway, it was just the
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  feelings of like those are. Really, really tough because
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  it's like, like you said, you care about the owner, you care
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  about the dog. But then we have to take a step
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  back and think, OK, well, if we are currently in a lawsuit, why
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  are we opening ourselves potential?
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  And I get it, like you can't control it all, but it is still
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  a little bit of like a public space at your apartment complex.
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  Like anyone can come in, anyone can go out.
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  So I totally get that. I had to call again also with an
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  owner I love, a dog I loved and they just got a brand new puppy
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  and their is their third dog. And the dog that I trained, the
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  middle dog, he is extremely, extremely low tolerance to dogs
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  in his space. Like he's not like a dog that I
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  would consider like I could have him out in the social yard.
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  And as long as I'm telling dogs like go like moving around, he's
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  not like looking for trouble. But also he wants to sniff
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  everyone's butt, but then does not want anyone sniffing his.
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  So I also don't let him. I'm like, no, like you don't get
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  to come out here and be like, I'm gonna sniff everyone.
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  And then one person even walks past his rear and he's like
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  baring his teeth and stuff. So I really called his bullshit
• 18:22
  on that. I don't even know if we're
• 18:24
  supposed to swear on our podcast.
• 18:25
  I. Would like us to.
• 18:26
  Yeah, I would like us to. And so I'm talking to the owner.
• 18:31
  And so I'm trying to get the context of he just bit the new
• 18:33
  puppy twice. And we're talking a 12 week old
• 18:36
  puppy. Like puppies are annoying.
• 18:37
  We know our dog has, you know, issues with space in general.
• 18:42
  But we're talking and I'm starting to hear a lot of like
• 18:46
  the dog is, you know, being bad or the dog is doing something
• 18:48
  naughty. The dog is not doing this.
• 18:50
  And I had to take a step back and say, OK, I hear a lot of
• 18:53
  like the dog is, the dog is. And I had to say in this
• 18:57
  context, I'm asking, was AZ collar on?
• 18:59
  Well, no, I'm like, I'm like right there.
• 19:01
  Like this is not just about the dog.
• 19:03
  Like why was he back in your bed right after training when I
• 19:07
  literally said this is a dog that cannot handle that?
• 19:10
  Like why is he on the couch? What?
• 19:11
  It's just like a lot of things where it's like I was saying
• 19:14
  things that she knew and you know, there's a reason they're
• 19:16
  asking for additional support, but there's also stuff where
• 19:20
  it's like if you're not implementing, this isn't even I
• 19:23
  mean it isn't even been 90 days since he's been home.
• 19:27
  So I'm like, you know, if we're not implementing it like we will
• 19:30
  continue to support if you're implementing.
• 19:33
  And I get that that's so even again, if either of these owners
• 19:36
  are listening, this is not a you guys suck as owners or anything
• 19:40
  like that. It's just the reality of we're
• 19:41
  working with so many people, so many dogs, and there are owners
• 19:45
  busting their rears, working really hard, even if it means
• 19:49
  like it's not exactly how we would do it, but they're trying
• 19:53
  to do it as dotting their eyes and crossing their T's as they
• 19:57
  possibly can. Those are even the owners.
• 19:58
  Personally for me, I'm going to continue to go to bat for it,
• 20:01
  even if sometimes it feels a little exhausting because some
• 20:03
  dogs are exhausting. And I usually find it's those
• 20:06
  owners with the dogs that are exhausting that are really
• 20:09
  trying. So yeah, I.
• 20:13
  It's just a it's tough because I know other trainers, it's
• 20:16
  actually it'll kind of lead in nicely to some of our questions.
• 20:19
  We have really, really struggle with this.
• 20:21
  And I get it. Like I also like the second I
• 20:24
  hear like this dog bit that or it's like, Oh my gosh, like what
• 20:27
  I do sometimes jump into like could I have done something
• 20:29
  differently to like prep them for this?
• 20:33
  But then also it's like sometimes I'm sure you
• 20:34
  experienced this too. You don't even experience the
• 20:38
  dog even close the same way that the owner does.
• 20:40
  No, well, because it's so it's managed like if I had a dog and
• 20:46
  this is where it's like it's not really fair and I don't mean to
• 20:49
  be judgy, but I almost immediately jump into like I
• 20:53
  would never let that happen. Like I wouldn't like if I I
• 20:57
  think also, and I don't know if it's because like, let's say if
• 21:01
  Theo, I don't even have to jump into like what ifs, but it's
• 21:05
  more like that part. And I think it's just important.
• 21:07
  It's helpful just to talk it through of like we also have to
• 21:11
  protect our mental headspace and we can't take on as much as I
• 21:15
  would love to be able. I mean, she lives like 4 hours
• 21:17
  for me, but I would love to drive over and console her and
• 21:20
  like be a friend to her. And that's kind of where it kind
• 21:22
  of blurs the lines of trainer and owners.
• 21:26
  And I, I love being friends with the owners that I'm friends
• 21:28
  with, but it's also I can be there for you.
• 21:32
  And I think it's This is why being a dog trainer has helped
• 21:34
  me overcome like the people pleasing tendency or so it's
• 21:40
  just one of those practices of like hearing it, but then also
• 21:44
  kind of filtering it in a way where it's not keeping me up at
• 21:47
  night. I care for this owner and dog,
• 21:49
  but it's also self, it's accountability.
• 21:53
  And so we try our best to help and do everything that we can.
• 21:57
  But I think the only way I could have helped prevent that was
• 22:00
  being in their home. Exactly.
• 22:01
  Yeah. You know.
• 22:02
  Yeah, we we don't live life with their dogs.
• 22:04
  And there's certain things too that sometimes like how feel
• 22:08
  like, what, like how, how is it coming out of your mouth?
• 22:13
  And like, I feel like we are so crystal clear on like the
• 22:17
  boundaries and the expectations and like, I mean, people will
• 22:22
  literally be like, it's tough love, Kate.
• 22:24
  And it's like, you know, so to me, I'm sometimes I'm hearing
• 22:27
  stuff out loud. I'm like, did you have to maybe
• 22:29
  say it out loud to really hear it?
• 22:31
  Because I'll even take a pause of being like, I don't even know
• 22:33
  how to fully answer that without.
• 22:34
  I don't want to be like, did you just hear what came out of your
• 22:37
  mouth? Like.
• 22:38
  Oh, and you were on the phone call.
• 22:39
  Video call. Oh, wow.
• 22:41
  So I was on X, so I had a moment to be like, Bobby, look, look at
• 22:45
  what is when I told him. And I was like, Can you believe
• 22:47
  that? And it's like, no, because he
• 22:49
  even remembers the dog. It's like, yeah, I think this is
• 22:52
  the hardest part of being a dog trainer and one of the hardest
• 22:57
  parts. But I think luckily we're both
• 23:00
  at a place where we've grown and we've learned and we've had a
• 23:03
  lot of experiences where we probably went above and beyond
• 23:05
  and realized there's only so much we can do that we can kind
• 23:08
  of protect ourselves a little bit in that way.
• 23:10
  But I still think we both had that yesterday.
• 23:12
  I know that's crazy. I feel like it's also like kind
• 23:15
  of this weird fine line of like when you've worked with
• 23:18
  someone's dog who most of the time same with us, like their
• 23:21
  dogs mean so much to them. It becomes like just this very
• 23:26
  different type of relationship. Then like, you know, some people
• 23:29
  use examples like, well, would you just like call your
• 23:31
  hairdresser? And it's like, what's so
• 23:32
  different? Like I get that concept and I
• 23:34
  even think about it. I'm like, OK, like maybe like
• 23:37
  you're, I was trying to think of like, how can I connect this to
• 23:40
  more like a human way? It's like, maybe it's like your
• 23:44
  child's doctor or something and it's like, OK, they have
• 23:47
  something. Well, the process you're going
• 23:49
  to have to go through is putting a message into like your we have
• 23:52
  something called like my chart, wait for a response, book an
• 23:56
  appointment, go in. And not that it's the same
• 23:58
  thing, but it's like, you know, you thinking at 6:00 PM like, Oh
• 24:01
  my gosh, like should I respond to this?
• 24:03
  Should I not like the doctors wouldn't be.
• 24:06
  And if it's an emergency, they have to go into the emergency
• 24:08
  room. Like I know it's like not why
• 24:11
  we're in the business for this is to have like this like super
• 24:13
  structured, like regimented. This is the way that you
• 24:16
  communicate. But and I also do feel for the
• 24:19
  owners in those moments because they are reaching out to the
• 24:22
  person that has helped them and has helped them feel safe.
• 24:26
  So I always put myself into that perspective, but we also both
• 24:30
  did start as owners as well. So I try to think like, OK, I
• 24:34
  need to take a step back, think about what we've applied, think
• 24:36
  about not being reactionary in the moment because it's like
• 24:40
  most of us are doing this with our reactive dog.
• 24:43
  So yeah, it makes my like head spin, but also like I feel both
• 24:50
  sides so strongly, like I understand where the owners
• 24:54
  coming from. And then on the trainer side,
• 24:55
  I'm like, we have to protect ourselves.
• 24:57
  We have a protector space. We can only do so much.
• 24:59
  So I actually like thinking about it, and I know it sounds
• 25:03
  kind of weird, like maybe even I like talking about it.
• 25:06
  I think that like if owners can hear trainers talking about the
• 25:10
  real stuff of like the reality of where our brain is going when
• 25:15
  we get these types of texts or when we get these types of
• 25:17
  messages, and they can as an human and as an adult take it
• 25:22
  and not as a attack, they're going to be able to get
• 25:24
  something from this. But if they.
• 25:26
  Take it as an attack like that is something they have to do a
• 25:29
  reflection on. That's not US or their trainer.
• 25:34
  And of course there's I'm sure there's some trainers that are
• 25:36
  legitimately out there like shaming owners and saying you're
• 25:39
  not doing enough and you suck and blah, blah, blah.
• 25:41
  But that's never been us and never will be us.
• 25:45
  So for any owners that listen to this, that do struggle with
• 25:49
  their dog, even if they struggle and like your trainer never does
• 25:53
  or you do have a hard dog, like take a step back and think about
• 25:57
  like, what are some of the little moments we might be like
• 25:59
  missing that we can tighten up? Because if you start there,
• 26:02
  that's literally what Bethany Iowa would do if you send your
• 26:05
  dog here for another refresh or something like that.
• 26:07
  Like we're just going to apply all of the things that we put in
• 26:10
  our go home book. Yeah.
• 26:12
  And stick to it. Yeah.
• 26:14
  And it's it's really not that complicated.
• 26:17
  It's really more, I think people over complicate it where it's
• 26:20
  actually just simplifying it to like 3 things and just being
• 26:24
  really consistent with it. It's yeah.
• 26:27
  And I sometimes I was just thinking about this yesterday
• 26:28
  where I sometimes I really get curious about what is the
• 26:34
  biggest difference between owners and trainers.
• 26:36
  And like, you know the thing you'll hear, I don't really hear
• 26:38
  people say this, but I know it's out there where the board and
• 26:41
  train doesn't work or which is not true, but it's why do
• 26:46
  trainers get different results than owners?
• 26:48
  And I literally think it's just being more consistent with
• 26:51
  structure, withholding dogs accountable for things.
• 26:54
  And looking at it maybe through a lens of we know if we let a
• 26:57
  dog get a bit more loosey goosey on the walk when the dog is
• 27:00
  reactive, usually it's just going to create more reactivity.
• 27:03
  It's like a slippery slope where I think an owner just doesn't
• 27:06
  pick up on the small things. And unfortunately these bad
• 27:10
  situations have to happen to be like, oh shit, yeah, I need to
• 27:14
  tighten up on things. And hopefully it's they still
• 27:16
  have that opportunity to do that.
• 27:18
  I think another thing is like, we also eliminate the
• 27:21
  unnecessaries. And what I mean by that is I do
• 27:24
  feel for owners of like even the content you're seeing of like
• 27:28
  getting this licky mat for your dog.
• 27:30
  Are you doing enough for enrichment?
• 27:31
  Are you doing these types of games?
• 27:33
  Are you doing these types of stuff?
• 27:35
  The amount of owners that I see, the things they have for their
• 27:38
  dogs, the busyness that they're keeping them.
• 27:41
  And then in my mind, I'm literally like, you are truly
• 27:46
  causing an anxious dog. Like they are so unhinged.
• 27:51
  And I look at like how we even when we were with you guys, our
• 27:56
  dogs, they all live such a good life.
• 27:58
  But it's a very simple life. Yeah.
• 28:00
  And they are like, genuinely, they all have their things.
• 28:03
  So again, this is not me acting like we have perfect dogs.
• 28:07
  But they are relaxed, yes, and they are.
• 28:10
  They're still bark and stuff like they're still dogs, they're
• 28:13
  still. Yes, and then they get activity
• 28:16
  and they like love it and they can, but you're never seeing me
• 28:21
  like have I ever done it? Sure, but my dogs don't do
• 28:24
  snuffle mats. I don't do you know, I don't do
• 28:29
  those extra things. And that doesn't mean that you
• 28:31
  can't do those extra things. But all I'm saying is the amount
• 28:34
  of like we need to give, give, give, give of activity and Oh
• 28:41
  well, my dog's this so that they need a lot of brain work and
• 28:43
  blah, blah, blah. I see it time and time again.
• 28:46
  Those are the dogs. Those are the owners that
• 28:48
  struggle the most at home is the one.
• 28:51
  That well, this golden, that's what's going on.
• 28:54
  So they were giving the they were giving Thor boys in the
• 28:59
  kennel anytime he was in the kennel.
• 29:03
  It just. Creates so much excitement and
• 29:06
  I, I get why people do it. I'm sure for some people it
• 29:09
  works really well for me from a safety standpoint, I'm not going
• 29:12
  to have a dog in the kennel where I'm not always at like
• 29:15
  supervising with a toy. They could choke on it like I
• 29:18
  don't know. But, and I learned my lesson
• 29:20
  with that. When someone we don't even put,
• 29:22
  it's very rare. Like if I get a dog that comes
• 29:25
  back for boarding, sure they could be super cushy.
• 29:27
  I could put a blanket in because I know them well, but these two
• 29:30
  Frenchies I worked with, the owner brought their two little
• 29:34
  beds. They're like, they never chew on
• 29:36
  it. It's never an issue.
• 29:38
  It's like, OK, so I put the beds in there.
• 29:42
  We I don't know if like we went to the grocery store or
• 29:45
  something, but came back, looked at the camera and one of them
• 29:47
  was tore up. And I immediately panic like, Oh
• 29:50
  my God, they swallowed all of it.
• 29:51
  Like this is so terrible. I jumped to the worst case
• 29:54
  scenario. So I'd never have beds and
• 29:56
  fluffy stuff in the kennel anymore.
• 29:58
  But yeah, stuff like that where I think I almost said parents,
• 30:01
  owners want to fill all the moments.
• 30:04
  They don't want their dog to be bored or to be uncomfortable
• 30:07
  where we just see where it's just feeding that excitement and
• 30:10
  it's like. It's.
• 30:12
  Unhorbit it. Is truly unhinged and this might
• 30:16
  be an unpopular opinion, but I stand by it like we see it time
• 30:19
  and time again like it is it is truly those and especially when
• 30:23
  I see it with reactive dogs and I get it.
• 30:25
  The owners are probably like, OK, well, I got to like do more
• 30:28
  so that when I take them on the walk, they're more tired.
• 30:30
  And it's like, no, like those dogs are wound tight because you
• 30:35
  are there's they are getting too much interaction.
• 30:39
  Like I really think that like in the best way, like the pandemic
• 30:45
  hindered and helped dog owners because it's like, I do love
• 30:48
  that more dogs are getting higher levels of fulfillment.
• 30:51
  I do not think I do not like glorifying a couch potato.
• 30:55
  I do not like the being like, well, my dog doesn't really like
• 30:57
  walks. Like, and when we're talking
• 31:00
  about, you know, Roadie, for instance, or Charlie, like,
• 31:03
  yeah, their walks are shorter. They're they're senior dogs.
• 31:06
  Like that's completely different.
• 31:08
  But when we're hearing like a 2 year old dog of like, oh, well,
• 31:11
  my dog doesn't like to go for walks because, you know, seeing
• 31:13
  the garbage cans or something freaks them out.
• 31:15
  That's none of us. Are you?
• 31:17
  And I are not saying like, OK, yeah, then just keep them
• 31:18
  inside. We're saying work through it,
• 31:21
  you know, build up this confidence.
• 31:22
  But I will not be the person that's like, yeah, if your dog
• 31:26
  just seems really bored, go give them a puzzle.
• 31:29
  I'm not. It's just not going to be me.
• 31:33
  And I do some of those things sometimes, like I have down, I
• 31:36
  don't have any puzzles. But down the come, I have a
• 31:38
  couple snuffle mats. I like to use them for puppies
• 31:40
  time to time, especially if like if a young dog come there for
• 31:43
  boarding and I'm like, you are a busy body.
• 31:44
  I'm going to pop you on the treadmill.
• 31:45
  Then you can eat your meal on this.
• 31:47
  Don't care. But like, it's doesn't go much
• 31:50
  beyond that. Well, and it's not an all or
• 31:52
  nothing ever. I don't ever.
• 31:54
  Yeah, that's why also as trainers who share a lot online,
• 31:58
  and I think we both probably get our fair share of, like,
• 32:00
  pushback sometimes. And I think I'm also, like,
• 32:03
  protecting myself in a way of being like, this is not for
• 32:06
  everyone. I'm only speaking from a space
• 32:08
  of this has worked for me and whatever works for you is great.
• 32:12
  It's like, I don't like. But yeah, what you're saying
• 32:14
  where it's an unpopular opinion and it's just based on our
• 32:17
  experience and how we like to live life with dogs.
• 32:20
  Yeah. And I think that that's being
• 32:22
  clear and crystal like what being clear with the owners
• 32:27
  about that and showing that and talking about it will help them
• 32:29
  decide if like we're the right trainer for them to work with or
• 32:33
  if we can help them virtually or whatever.
• 32:35
  And that's that's OK if that's not the route people want to go.
• 32:38
  But I rarely ever have on drop off day owners being like, I
• 32:43
  really, really need them to be less calm and more hyper.
• 32:48
  I've never. I've never had.
• 32:49
  That I have had a couple. Dogs who are like, well, you
• 32:52
  know, an English bulldog or something's like, well, they
• 32:54
  tire quickly and like, Yep, that's the breed.
• 32:57
  But I've never had an owner be like, please make my dog more
• 33:00
  chaotic. I need them to be more reactive.
• 33:02
  Can you work on? Them well, and it's also like
• 33:04
  when people, you know, like people think a happy dog is a
• 33:07
  dog that's like and I even sometimes describe it as like
• 33:10
  when Johnny has a tongue out, I feel like he's smiling.
• 33:12
  You know, I just do that. Pity face looks like they're
• 33:15
  smiling cash. But like, yeah, that's so funny
• 33:19
  because yesterday when I was well, because I think a lot of
• 33:22
  people look at like the calm stuff or place is like unhappy.
• 33:26
  I don't know, I don't really hear that much.
• 33:28
  But it's like to me, I love, I just love the calm stuff.
• 33:32
  Like even yesterday on the walk with the golden and I'm like
• 33:34
  thinking, because another dog I worked with where the owner was
• 33:37
  using a lot of food on the walks and so the dog would blink her
• 33:40
  hand and I'm like immediately, I don't know, is this just my
• 33:44
  trainer brain or this is just I don't like this.
• 33:46
  But to me I was like, I don't like that's like pushy to me.
• 33:48
  I don't want a dog always blinking my hand but boink is
• 33:52
  such a weird word. Why am I saying boink?
• 33:54
  Touch and tap my hand? I don't know, I don't like.
• 33:56
  That word? Boinking.
• 33:58
  OK. Because it's weird.
• 34:01
  I don't like that. OK, so yesterday Dori started
• 34:04
  blinking my hand. Who?
• 34:06
  Who did? Thor because I.
• 34:09
  Used the horse. I was like, oh, you're what?
• 34:12
  Thor the Golden who I was using some food with on the walk.
• 34:15
  I usually like to use food for things like when they, you know,
• 34:18
  sit. When I stop, they sit kind of a
• 34:20
  thing. And I did that a lot with
• 34:22
  Johnny. But this morning he was like
• 34:24
  blinking my hand sometimes. And I was like, Oh my God, we
• 34:26
  just did this yesterday once. Really.
• 34:28
  We did this once. And now he's like, OK, I'm tired
• 34:31
  of saying blink, by the way. OK, what?
• 34:34
  Wait, should we jump into some questions?
• 34:35
  Some of the questions, while we're on the topics of well,
• 34:39
  questions from trainers. So this one was they didn't have
• 34:42
  enough room in the question box. So she sent me Adm Basically the
• 34:47
  question is how to vet clients that you'll know will do the
• 34:50
  work. I'll message more than her
• 34:51
  message is. I had a client recently who
• 34:54
  thought who I thought seemed ready to help her two dogs with
• 34:57
  their littermate syndrome. Both super super anxious and
• 35:00
  destructive dogs. She kept saying how she'll be
• 35:02
  putting in the work, she's ready to follow through, etcetera.
• 35:05
  Sent home, she said the first few days were great.
• 35:08
  Two weeks later I follow up. Turns out she got rid of one of
• 35:11
  the dogs after returning, then said the training wasn't
• 35:15
  working. Long story short, how the fuck
• 35:18
  do I vet a client so they truly truly understand they have a
• 35:21
  follow through? I would have never taken her
• 35:23
  money if I knew she wouldn't use it and moving forward I want to
• 35:26
  ensure behavioral cases are only with the correct owners.
• 35:30
  I have an initial thought right off the bat and I'm not saying
• 35:34
  that this is wrong whatsoever, but sometimes if there are these
• 35:37
  dogs that you're working with that you immediately are super
• 35:41
  concerned for when they go home of like how they're going to do
• 35:44
  when she says the two weeks later I followed up.
• 35:46
  I know in your heart of hearts you're like, that's probably
• 35:50
  what I should do. I probably wouldn't have
• 35:52
  followed up. I'm just saying like I like to
• 35:55
  typically, unless I know it's something that like an owner for
• 35:58
  sure is working on a once, Hey, how did this go?
• 36:01
  Like I knew you had this coming up, but I usually leave it in
• 36:04
  the owner's court to reach out to me if they like have any
• 36:07
  questions. That is more like a protecting
• 36:10
  your piece type of thing. So that doesn't necessarily have
• 36:12
  anything to do with vetting your owners, but that might be
• 36:15
  something that and like you might have just never even known
• 36:18
  because you didn't even know she got rid of the dog.
• 36:21
  You didn't know that beyond things were going great the
• 36:23
  first two days that things are not going great.
• 36:26
  And I don't know if that's the right answer, but sometimes I do
• 36:30
  feel like I have to sometimes not follow up just because I
• 36:35
  can't, you know, however many dogs go home, I can't take on
• 36:39
  everyone's what feels like in an emergency.
• 36:42
  And they're not all an emergency.
• 36:44
  Yes. So that's one initial thought I
• 36:46
  had with that. So I'd be curious.
• 36:49
  So what I do is I'll I'll usually reach out a day later or
• 36:53
  two days later. And what I also always say, and
• 36:57
  that's only from being scarred from experience a long time ago
• 37:00
  where an older lady I worked with who is not a right fit from
• 37:02
  the beginning. But one thing she said was, I
• 37:06
  wish you would have reached out to ask how things went.
• 37:08
  And again, we know that that falls on the owner.
• 37:11
  We can't do the work for them. And so now I like go home
• 37:14
  sessions, I say to nauseam, I don't know if you're struggling
• 37:19
  unless you tell me yes. And I always say, please, if you
• 37:21
  have a question or something is happening, I want to help you,
• 37:24
  but I do not know you're struggling unless you tell me
• 37:26
  exactly. And so, but sometimes I don't
• 37:28
  actually don't always reach out a couple days after.
• 37:31
  But what I'll say is. Follow up to everyone, a follow
• 37:33
  up e-mail, I feel like a blanketed one that's just
• 37:37
  basically, again, like reiterating like I am here to
• 37:40
  help you, but basically I won't be like following up and you
• 37:44
  know, here's support for you. Like if you guys are doing
• 37:46
  things at home, reach out like I am here for you can text me, you
• 37:50
  can message me, you can e-mail me.
• 37:52
  I will get back to you when I can type of thing.
• 37:54
  So I send it after every dog goes home.
• 37:58
  OK. So I would be curious with this
• 38:00
  trainer if some of her Spidey senses kind of went off when she
• 38:04
  first talked to the owner. I feel like that's just your
• 38:08
  intuition that a lot of us blow off because when we want
• 38:11
  business and two, we're hoping that it will go better than it
• 38:15
  is or it might go. But I would look at maybe if,
• 38:21
  and again, like you were saying, sometimes you just can't stop
• 38:23
  that from happening. Sometimes you miss all the
• 38:25
  things and then nothing comes up until the owner, the dog gets
• 38:29
  home. But I would look at what are
• 38:31
  some other questions that maybe you could put on your contact
• 38:34
  form on your website. Is there one thing you could
• 38:36
  change where it's, I'm even thinking of doing this where
• 38:39
  it's a question like after the board and train.
• 38:43
  Do you understand that if you are having issues or concerns
• 38:46
  you will reach out or something? I don't know how to word it, but
• 38:48
  something where you know the owner is going to continue the
• 38:51
  progress after, yeah, I think. I even wrote back to her and
• 38:55
  just as like thought I said, why was that like we'll cover this
• 38:58
  on the pod. I said, I'm curious if there are
• 39:00
  any other red flags you can recall like on that application
• 39:03
  or anything like any concerns on tool use.
• 39:05
  And we're not just talking E caller like kennel place like
• 39:08
  something I typically look at a lot is like one of the questions
• 39:11
  on my application is post training.
• 39:14
  Are you going to comfortably follow the recommendation of
• 39:18
  kenneling your dog at night and when you're away from the home
• 39:21
  post training like things like that or like questions where
• 39:24
  it's like, you know, if canine were to ask you, this is for
• 39:29
  everyone's application to muzzle condition your dog, is that
• 39:32
  something you would do? And I will have people even if
• 39:35
  their dog doesn't need to be muzzle conditioned Put no.
• 39:38
  And I'm OK with that. Like, but immediately to me,
• 39:41
  it's like, but what if it was something that like I would
• 39:46
  really ask them to do? Like it's those little extra
• 39:48
  things that I kind of try to read into not to in a point
• 39:51
  where it's making me crazy because it's like, we don't know
• 39:55
  the human. Even if you're doing every sort
• 39:56
  of consult until you get that dog and you start working with
• 40:00
  them and you see how the emotional responses from that
• 40:02
  human, you can see the most successful hard working people
• 40:09
  will be some of the like. Softest with their dog like not
• 40:14
  follow through because they have to follow through in every other
• 40:17
  aspect of their life. So to me also how you're wording
• 40:21
  and again, maybe this is just because this is post working
• 40:23
  with them of like she has litter mate syndrome.
• 40:27
  Both dogs are super anxious and both destructive.
• 40:30
  And she kept saying how she'll be putting in the work and she's
• 40:32
  ready to follow through. What about it prior?
• 40:35
  And that's kind of what Bethany was saying is like what in your
• 40:37
  Spidey senses felt like you needed to like make sure she
• 40:40
  really was ready? Because I feel like often when
• 40:44
  there's dogs and owners that are really struggling, you could
• 40:47
  tell the ones right off the bat that are like not sugar coating
• 40:50
  their dogs behavior. Think about how like this is
• 40:53
  kind of like our last ditch effort, like I, I need to make
• 40:58
  these changes. Otherwise, like we are going to
• 41:01
  have to like rehome one. And honestly, that might have
• 41:04
  been the best decision to where you probably feel like as a
• 41:08
  trainer, kind of like a failure, which you are not because she
• 41:12
  did rehome one of the dogs. But honestly, if they truly have
• 41:16
  the littermate syndrome, that's not good for anyone.
• 41:20
  Like no one's enjoying that. Like I've been curious.
• 41:22
  Like the part where I think you said she said the training isn't
• 41:26
  working, to me that line says a lot.
• 41:30
  And I'd be really curious if during the training process one,
• 41:34
  what does it look like for you? Like not everyone shares a lot
• 41:36
  on social media with dogs like we do.
• 41:39
  She does. Share quite a bit.
• 41:40
  OK, cool. Is were you getting any feedback
• 41:43
  during the process? Like I recently an owner I had,
• 41:48
  I had I worked with who was not responding to anything and this
• 41:53
  not everyone has to do this, but I I tend to, I like working with
• 41:58
  owners where I can communicate freely.
• 42:00
  And if I get like an instinct, like my Spidey senses were like,
• 42:03
  wait, is she like not on board with this?
• 42:05
  Or I just want to kind of touch base and see how she's feeling.
• 42:11
  A lot of times when I get on a phone call with an owner, I've
• 42:13
  learned some different things or it's like, oh, great, OK, you're
• 42:16
  not responding to anything because you're more introverted,
• 42:18
  but you're on board and everything's going good.
• 42:21
  Great. What I would also think about
• 42:23
  doing is if you ever have an owner who is not being
• 42:27
  responsive to stuff or I don't even know what that line of
• 42:31
  communication would look like. For me it's through text, but if
• 42:35
  you want to get on a phone, call with them and maybe check in.
• 42:38
  While you have the dogs. Yes, while you have the dogs
• 42:40
  check in and see hey, where you at like you've been following on
• 42:43
  Instagram. Do you have any questions and
• 42:46
  kind of just gauge it that way about?
• 42:48
  Things. How are you feeling about
• 42:49
  things? Yeah.
• 42:50
  So that's where I would think to ask and just look at the you
• 42:56
  work with after. Yeah.
• 42:57
  And that's the thing about this one is obviously it's just a
• 42:59
  learning experience because you might have not missed anything.
• 43:01
  But obviously I think something of your Spidey senses, we're
• 43:03
  telling you something might not be right.
• 43:06
  But also like at the go home session, think about this was
• 43:11
  something when we talked about the trainer and you, some of the
• 43:12
  trainers are like, whoa, like really.
• 43:14
  Like if if you feel like you have to keep driving the go home
• 43:18
  in a way where it's like the owners not really asking
• 43:21
  questions, but you're thinking, well, this has got to be two
• 43:23
  hours. This has got to be 2 1/2 hours.
• 43:25
  And you're not leaving space for silent moments for the owner to
• 43:29
  like almost kind of struggle a little bit because they're going
• 43:31
  to struggle when you go back home.
• 43:33
  Like don't, don't try to keep the session going longer just
• 43:37
  because you're like, well, it these dogs need more work.
• 43:39
  They need like, if you can feel that the owner's not in it at
• 43:42
  the go home, that to me tells a lot.
• 43:45
  Like if I can tell they're not asking really many questions And
• 43:47
  everyone learns differently. So I know some people need to,
• 43:50
  like, take it all in and like, really like, hear it out, try
• 43:55
  it. But if you can kind of tell
• 43:57
  they're like, yeah, no, like, I'm good.
• 43:58
  Like, don't feel like you have to keep them there.
• 44:00
  Like at that point, it's like, OK, they said they're good.
• 44:03
  They are an adult. These are their dogs, not my
• 44:06
  dogs. And as much as you want to cover
• 44:09
  absolutely everything, you can't like, yeah.
• 44:12
  And the owners already checked out if they're kind of being
• 44:14
  like almost rushing the go home. So I'm not saying that she was
• 44:18
  doing that by any means, but I'm almost curious on if she was
• 44:20
  kind of a person that did that. But you know, it's not easy to
• 44:24
  vet everyone. I will say you and I have we
• 44:27
  rarely now run into like, Oh my gosh, working with this.
• 44:30
  Like rarely there's a couple words like, again, they go home
• 44:33
  and I'm like, Oh my gosh, like you're way less dedicated and
• 44:37
  consistent than I thought you would be.
• 44:39
  But like doesn't mean that there still weren't great owners to
• 44:41
  work with. Yeah.
• 44:43
  And I think sometimes stuff like this just happens.
• 44:45
  It does, you know? Yeah.
• 44:47
  OK, next one. We've talked about this quite a
• 44:50
  few times, but again, I think that's a cool thing about you
• 44:52
  can't talk about everything enough is how did we got, how
• 44:57
  did we originally meet? Oh, OK.
• 45:00
  I don't know why it was like drawing a blank.
• 45:05
  We met through Instagram. Yeah, yeah, I don't even
• 45:08
  remember what how we originally got connected, but we just
• 45:10
  started chatting on Instagram and then we went to a program
• 45:15
  for trainers very similar. Well, not similar but like same
• 45:18
  kind of concept as what we do for the trainer new and we room
• 45:22
  together not, you know, knowing each other at all.
• 45:25
  And we've literally, I mean obviously your friendship grows,
• 45:28
  but we've been best friends since and visit each other every
• 45:31
  single year since. Yeah, yeah.
• 45:33
  Well, we've supported each. I remember before we went to
• 45:36
  that seminar and met in person, we supported each other a lot on
• 45:40
  social media before then. Did we even do a live before to
• 45:45
  like talk to each other? Oh.
• 45:47
  My gosh, I don't know. I don't know, I forget which one
• 45:50
  It was where I remember saying this to you and Casey, But when
• 45:54
  we did a live together and I remember I don't know how you
• 45:57
  were doing this, but I feel like you commented in the chat on the
• 46:00
  live. We were drinking wine, which we
• 46:04
  don't really do that anymore, but you were like Casey, I'm
• 46:07
  drinking wine. Winky face just.
• 46:12
  Just throwing a quick little word.
• 46:15
  In the chat on the live and I was like, because how else would
• 46:18
  I see you say that? That's probably how it was.
• 46:20
  And I was like, Oh my God. So but yeah, we would just I
• 46:24
  think we've also made a a really an effort towards keeping our
• 46:29
  friendship alive and thriving. Like I have friends who I.
• 46:34
  This because we want to talk every week, we want to
• 46:37
  prioritize talking every week. And if it means that we can talk
• 46:41
  personal and business, which we love doing together, it's like,
• 46:45
  why not? Yes, yeah.
• 46:47
  But I have friends in town that I don't hang out with as much as
• 46:50
  I hang out with you. Yeah.
• 46:54
  That's how we met. Of course we're gonna go into
• 46:56
  like or like as close as we are, like we can pick up.
• 47:00
  No time has gone by. Talk about our friendship all
• 47:03
  day long. I'm pretty distracted by how
• 47:05
  cute you look and I look like I just woke up from a nap.
• 47:08
  That was us last week. I had wet hair post power and
• 47:12
  years Really your hair looked. Amazing when your hair is curly
• 47:14
  it's very Jlo esque. I know when you said that when
• 47:18
  we were together, I was like, you're like, I don't know if you
• 47:19
  like this. I'm like, you can tell me.
• 47:21
  I look like Jlo on her worst day and I'm like.
• 47:24
  Obviously. Why would anyone not like that?
• 47:25
  I don't even know why I said that.
• 47:27
  Yeah. Neither, I was like anytime you
• 47:30
  were telling me my butt looks like Jlo too.
• 47:32
  Yes please. I know you'll be lying to me,
• 47:35
  but it's OK I. Can't even imagine which.
• 47:37
  By the way, why do you always say, Can you imagine?
• 47:39
  How did that come up? Because when you all were in
• 47:41
  town, we said, Can you imagine? In almost every single
• 47:44
  conversation? We were trying to decide if we
• 47:45
  should say, you know what I mean or can you Can you imagine as
• 47:48
  our podcast title because those are the two things we say all
• 47:51
  the time. All the time.
• 47:53
  That the Can you imagine? That's something with that I do
• 47:57
  with you. Oh, really?
• 47:59
  Casey says it sometimes, though. OK, so maybe Casey and I, I
• 48:03
  maybe I do say it with more, but I don't know.
• 48:05
  But like it is definitely the one of the most common phrases I
• 48:09
  say with you. Oh my.
• 48:10
  God, I thought, you see. Though, and I don't know if it's
• 48:12
  like we're in each other. I literally feel like I was
• 48:15
  saying it all the time, like I was saying it like the sky is
• 48:17
  blue, like just all the time I was.
• 48:19
  Saying yes, it's so. Fitting.
• 48:22
  Yeah, I don't know. OK, so anyone that does drink,
• 48:26
  if you're listening to this and we say Can you imagine?
• 48:28
  Drink every single time, we say. Can you imagine?
• 48:30
  And if you can get a Bee's Knees cocktail.
• 48:34
  Bomb. I'm going to that.
• 48:36
  We're going to that. The two people at the house on
• 48:38
  the lake in our neighborhood for sunset and cocktails was the
• 48:42
  original text. And then I got a reminder text
• 48:45
  saying OK don't forget. Reminded you.
• 48:48
  This is how she phrased it, and you tell me what your instinct
• 48:50
  says. I mean, it's still delightful.
• 48:52
  Lasagna and booze this Friday. Booze.
• 48:57
  Isn't that like? OK, you could step back.
• 48:59
  You're also going to dinner at a baby boomers house where our
• 49:04
  generation, you're in like the very tail end of millennials.
• 49:08
  I think it's a great trend that's happening.
• 49:10
  But like drinking is at an all time low, which is amazing.
• 49:14
  But the people still keeping it alive are those baby boomers.
• 49:17
  I mean, when she said booze, I was like, oh, oh boy.
• 49:19
  Like, yeah. Maybe she's very excited, but
• 49:23
  also you do you. You don't, you know as you know
• 49:26
  this, but like, well, you're also easily influenced.
• 49:28
  But like, you don't need to booze it up with 70 year olds.
• 49:34
  Can you imagine, wait, can we do that as our like lead out of the
• 49:37
  that's way more natural at the end of the podcast because you
• 49:40
  know you don't. Say that and then you know what
• 49:42
  I means. OK, but because you are so good
• 49:44
  at it and I black out, I forget that that's what we're doing.
• 49:46
  That's why I keep us on track. OK.
• 49:48
  Yeah, we we have our strong suits.
• 49:50
  OK, next question. Yeah.
• 49:53
  What do you find the most challenging about being a dog
• 49:55
  trainer? OK, you go first.
• 49:59
  I mean, I would say honestly what we just were talking about
• 50:01
  because it's still, even though we say we can be really good
• 50:03
  about protecting our peace, I still put so much weight into
• 50:09
  how my owners feel working with me.
• 50:11
  Like I want them to feel supported.
• 50:13
  I want them to feel empowered and excited to go do the work.
• 50:17
  And it's easy to be like when the dog goes home, like thinking
• 50:21
  about it a ton. So I did that.
• 50:24
  And also just like logistics stuff, the schedule stuff is
• 50:28
  amazing and terrible at the same time.
• 50:30
  Like we get to create our own schedule.
• 50:33
  I don't think that I would. And I've, I've been honest about
• 50:36
  this like pack plus as full as I do, if this wasn't our, you
• 50:41
  know, Casey and I's full and come together.
• 50:44
  So there are some days where I'm like, like right now being back
• 50:47
  and at it, I'm like, give me another dog.
• 50:49
  Like I'm fresh, I'm ready to go. But I know that we don't have
• 50:52
  any like actual days off for a while now.
• 50:56
  And I know that I'll be getting towards the tail end of that and
• 50:58
  I'll be like, like I need some time off.
• 51:02
  So it's that kind of stuff. And we both like, I've gotten so
• 51:04
  much better about that over the years.
• 51:05
  Like we take really nice amounts of time.
• 51:07
  Off and so good at that, yeah. We used to be terrible at it,
• 51:11
  but it's that because it's like, you know, we don't have PTO, so
• 51:14
  my brain goes to that kind of stuff.
• 51:15
  It's like we're not working, we're not making money.
• 51:18
  But that's also why it's been great to have virtual options
• 51:22
  and things like that. So I would say for me, that's
• 51:25
  the most challenging part is like the wanting to be super
• 51:30
  supportive with owners, but then also protecting peace and just
• 51:32
  the pull between like tough dogs and then like just the lifestyle
• 51:37
  of it is it's like a lot on your body and a lot on your brain.
• 51:41
  Yeah, well yes to all of that one for me, kennel anxiety, hate
• 51:46
  it, don't like it, don't like working through it.
• 51:49
  But that doesn't happen with a lot of dogs 'cause I don't take
• 51:51
  on separation anxiety cases. The other thing recently would
• 51:55
  be online stuff where like I, my resources lean towards towards E
• 52:00
  collar training and there's a part of me that really wants to
• 52:04
  be known as AE collar trainer. I feel like it's niche.
• 52:06
  It's something I can focus on and really dive into.
• 52:09
  Like when I first started as a trainer it felt, I know it's not
• 52:14
  like this, but it really felt like that for me.
• 52:16
  Then where it was, it felt like a male dominated industry and I
• 52:20
  wanted to be a female voice. I felt like a lot of dog owners
• 52:24
  were females. The room I was sitting in at the
• 52:26
  seminar was all females except one so that really drove me
• 52:30
  where now I feel like it almost feels as if I'm inviting
• 52:34
  negativity into my life when I post about E collar stuff and I
• 52:37
  don't love that. I don't want to get negativity.
• 52:40
  I want to help owners and share content that is training stuff,
• 52:48
  mainly E collar again, because I can teach you.
• 52:51
  I can show how to use food to get a dog to sit, but that's not
• 52:53
  very exciting to me. So I kind of like sharing about
• 52:57
  the controversial stuff, but something that an owner can be
• 53:00
  like, hey, go follow walking dog training.
• 53:02
  Controversial, but it is. Yes, yeah.
• 53:04
  And so I feel like recently I've just, it's like a tug and pull
• 53:08
  where I want to help in that way and, and sell more guides.
• 53:11
  But I also don't want to wake up to five negative comments and
• 53:16
  have to filter and block and delete.
• 53:18
  And I don't want to have conversations on Instagram where
• 53:20
  I'm trying to talk someone into anything.
• 53:22
  So yeah. I think the cool thing about
• 53:24
  like the growth on that is you're like, I just don't even
• 53:26
  want the negativity. It doesn't make you feel like a
• 53:29
  reflection at all on like maybe I should reconsider this or like
• 53:34
  why? No, it's more like I don't have
• 53:36
  the time. Like if if that's what people is
• 53:40
  like the biggest part of their day is going to write on your
• 53:43
  post something negative. It's like have at it.
• 53:47
  But also now it's annoying that I have to even filter through
• 53:49
  it. Yeah, well, cuz I there was a
• 53:52
  big growth spurt, I guess you could say for walking up
• 53:54
  training on Instagram specifically from my dog diary
• 53:57
  posts, which is great. It was so fun, but I can't, I
• 54:01
  don't really want to post those forever.
• 54:03
  And so I know a lot of people, yeah, a lot of people came for
• 54:06
  those. And just yesterday when I was
• 54:08
  sharing about the E collar in a reel or something and someone
• 54:11
  was like, oh, I'm so disappointed.
• 54:13
  Your Instagram page was like a a safe space for me.
• 54:17
  And I can't believe that you use it.
• 54:19
  And right away like no matter how I respond or if I delete and
• 54:22
  block whatever for my mental health again coming back to that
• 54:25
  always it still affects me. It's like and I don't like that
• 54:29
  feeling. It's almost adrenaline inducing
• 54:31
  where I really try to lean into my grandma hobbies that really
• 54:36
  like seeing my sprouts in my garden.
• 54:37
  I wish you could see them right now.
• 54:39
  There's so many sprouts which makes me so happy.
• 54:42
  I literally just want to lean into my bake and do nothing
• 54:45
  personality. Did we mention that that was?
• 54:47
  On the first one. OK, so that I've been struggling
• 54:51
  with that. I also love content, so much
• 54:53
  creating but I've been like I don't.
• 54:57
  I know it's, it's so tough too because that kind of stuff is
• 55:00
  like the most, you know, challenging part of being a dog
• 55:03
  trainer is like, I don't think at least for us like what that
• 55:07
  looks like changes too. Totally.
• 55:09
  And I think that that's like, I would love to like I'm kind of
• 55:12
  in the space where I love working with dogs still, but I
• 55:16
  wish we could do trainer news all the time.
• 55:18
  And like that was the main part of our business like that.
• 55:22
  It's something where it's like, I think it's because of the
• 55:25
  positivity that comes from it and the like electric energy in
• 55:29
  the room, the emotion that like that.
• 55:31
  It's like it's such a spot for everyone that I'm like, it's
• 55:34
  intoxicating in the best way. Like that's the kind of drunk I
• 55:38
  want to feel. That's the kind of hangover.
• 55:40
  It's like, my gosh, that was a long week, but also like so.
• 55:45
  Inspiring. Motivating.
• 55:46
  Like the best. So like in a dream world, it'd
• 55:49
  be like I'll take a dog here and there and like just be doing so
• 55:53
  many trainer news. Yes, same.
• 55:55
  Well, it's hard because we, we know what it feels like.
• 55:58
  It's hard to put that feeling into words.
• 56:01
  Yeah. So yeah.
• 56:03
  OK, What is the most rewarding experience as a dog trainer?
• 56:05
  Well, kind of let's let's kind of pepper through these.
• 56:07
  Let's keep it on our time that we've been doing.
• 56:09
  I'll say like a couple of things, like from a business
• 56:13
  perspective, even though I said it's one of the most
• 56:15
  challenging, I think one of the most rewardings is genuinely
• 56:17
  like I get to be like I'm doing a podcast at 8:00 AM with my
• 56:20
  friend and I'll start the dog training stuff at 9.
• 56:22
  Like I love that I get to pick how I'm doing things when I'm
• 56:27
  doing things, what I'm doing. And truly one of the most
• 56:30
  rewarding is that connection of the owner and dog, even if it's
• 56:35
  like they go home and there's little like pushy moments and
• 56:38
  stuff like that, but where the owner is just like, wow, I'm so
• 56:41
  happy. And but you can tell the dog is
• 56:43
  so happy. The ones that really feel like
• 56:45
  the puzzle pieces fit together and they're still going to
• 56:47
  struggle at home, but you know, things are going to go well.
• 56:49
  Like there's nothing like it. It's it's the best.
• 56:51
  I love taking the go home graduation photo, even if after
• 56:55
  the go home, the little dog was a little bit of AD bag to their
• 56:58
  owner. It's like everyone's so happy.
• 56:59
  Like that feeling is pretty Dang cool.
• 57:02
  Yeah, I'd say all the same, all the above.
• 57:04
  And then also kind of like I was talking about content in a not
• 57:09
  so fun way. But I also love having a space
• 57:12
  where I can help people that I will never meet in person and
• 57:15
  just reassure them with a graphic with words on it.
• 57:17
  Like that is wild to me. So I think that's also super
• 57:21
  fulfilling that I can be creatively inspired and have
• 57:27
  people that actually want to see what I share, like Wild.
• 57:30
  And that's like such a great example.
• 57:32
  If you don't mind me sharing this just because I think it's
• 57:33
  like, so any trainers listening to this like screenshot these
• 57:37
  things, save a folder. I know you do this, Bethany, but
• 57:39
  like I got a message yesterday. I've never worked with this
• 57:41
  person in person ever. Just have done virtual stuff and
• 57:47
  like she's just followed me and I got a message.
• 57:50
  I just want to reach out and say thank you.
• 57:51
  I recently had scheduled surgery and knew I needed Polish up
• 57:54
  trainer training prior to the big day.
• 57:57
  Everyone was so concerned about me handling our three dogs and
• 57:59
  she listed the breeds, all large dogs on my own.
• 58:03
  Their concerns were completely unfounded and my pack blew
• 58:06
  everyone's mind. Off leash potty breaks with E
• 58:08
  collar backup just in case. Polite greetings, Threshold
• 58:11
  control. Having well behaved dogs on the
• 58:13
  daily is great but AS 100% made my recovery process go smoothly.
• 58:17
  I'm forever grateful for all the information you provide.
• 58:20
  That's just from a person following me.
• 58:23
  I've never again. I didn't train her dog.
• 58:24
  So of course my response back was like, I hope you feel so
• 58:28
  proud of yourself, not just your dog, because you did that queen.
• 58:31
  Like that was all you. Did you say that?
• 58:33
  You did. You did that queen.
• 58:35
  Oh, I love that. Yeah, I'm like you go off.
• 58:40
  OK, Yeah, you got to save that. Do you have a gratitude folder
• 58:42
  or like just? Some random screenshots oh and I
• 58:45
  do have like if people message me like certain things I have
• 58:48
  like a highlight that I'll like save it to a highlight on
• 58:51
  Instagram. But my phone, there's nothing
• 58:53
  organized about my. OK, yeah, somewhat.
• 58:55
  OK, so I, I have, OK, I'm trying to be like, I actually don't
• 58:59
  even know why I said, do you have a gratitude folder?
• 59:01
  Because I actually have one. There's probably 5 things, but
• 59:04
  really good. To add them to it.
• 59:06
  I aspire to Add all of my screenshots to it.
• 59:08
  Totally. I aspire to do a lot of things
• 59:10
  on my phone, like organize and, you know, have a just like a
• 59:14
  birdie folder and a roadie folder and yeah, one day
• 59:17
  probably. You know, I actually have a
• 59:18
  birdie and a roadie folder. I think the phone does that
• 59:22
  though, right? No, I created.
• 59:25
  It Yeah, it's so cute. I never know when you'll need
• 59:29
  your friend's dog's picture. It's so true, very true.
• 59:33
  Any guidance or advice for anyone thinking of becoming a
• 59:35
  dog trainer? Oh boy.
• 59:38
  Come to the training. Trainer.
• 59:40
  Literally like come see us in August.
• 59:43
  We did. If anyone's listening, we did
• 59:44
  lower the price a little bit. So go check out on the website.
• 59:48
  We have a handful of spots left. So OK, that and.
• 59:52
  Yeah, that that is, I mean seriously like newer trainers,
• 59:56
  trainers who have not even started their business.
• 59:57
  On it, don't feel like you need to be like already have LLC and
• 1:00:02
  you need to have everything in line.
• 1:00:04
  No, no, honestly, I that's what I would have.
• 1:00:10
  Well, that's the next question. So any guidance or advice for
• 1:00:13
  thinking about being a dog trainer?
• 1:00:15
  So trainer new and then just start sharing content about
• 1:00:20
  dogs. Yeah, the work with some of like
• 1:00:22
  your friends or family dogs for free to start just to get your
• 1:00:25
  hands on dogs. Go volunteer if you need to at a
• 1:00:27
  shelter, again, just to get your hands on dogs, making sure you
• 1:00:30
  enjoy that. Remember, this is not a dog
• 1:00:33
  business. This is a human business.
• 1:00:35
  That's one thing that I think time and time again that I see
• 1:00:37
  people are like, I work with dogs because I hate people.
• 1:00:40
  Not the career for you then definitely if you want to work
• 1:00:44
  with dogs and maybe go work for a trainer and you know, take out
• 1:00:47
  the working with owners owners at all.
• 1:00:50
  But Can you imagine if someone like put that on their website?
• 1:00:53
  Like I hate people, but I love dogs.
• 1:00:56
  Hire me, I'll. Work with you.
• 1:01:00
  I would be like, no, like this is going to be an unsolved
• 1:01:04
  mysteries case on. A crime podcast sound on their
• 1:01:08
  website if this is possible should be axe murderer music.
• 1:01:11
  No DDDDDDDD. If you were to start over, what
• 1:01:20
  would you do differently or do again?
• 1:01:23
  I would listen to my intuition whenever, but also you don't
• 1:01:26
  really know that OK. My biggest thing for new
• 1:01:29
  trainers is I wish I would have embraced my newness.
• 1:01:32
  I wanted to get to experience as soon as possible.
• 1:01:36
  I don't. Know I'm an expert.
• 1:01:37
  As quick as possible. What is the book where it's
• 1:01:40
  10,000 hours you become an expert it's I'll have to tell
• 1:01:45
  you that later. Whatever it is, but I read that
• 1:01:47
  book but. I go, she'll forget.
• 1:01:49
  I will. She's not gonna tell.
• 1:01:51
  You but my intention is good. It's I've played this to Casey
• 1:01:53
  before. Sometimes we say things and I'm
• 1:01:55
  like, but my intention is very good.
• 1:01:57
  OK, so but I was like, I was remember I was reading the
• 1:02:00
  bathroom and I was like, oh fuck.
• 1:02:01
  Like I, I can't I have 10,000 hours already.
• 1:02:04
  Like I was thinking that that would make me an expert.
• 1:02:06
  And I wish I would have embraced my newness more because I think
• 1:02:09
  owners just need help and I think excitement can sometimes
• 1:02:15
  trump experience. See, that's so funny.
• 1:02:18
  I don't feel like I struggled with that much.
• 1:02:22
  No. And I think it was just because,
• 1:02:23
  honestly, I'm not going to lie, I felt like a pretty good dog
• 1:02:26
  handler after having Roadie is my first dog really, because I'm
• 1:02:30
  like his reactivity back in the day.
• 1:02:34
  I, he's still top five most reactive dog ever.
• 1:02:38
  And then it was like so hard because he wasn't confident
• 1:02:40
  about it. Such an insecure.
• 1:02:42
  So like there were so many things that I'm like, he, he
• 1:02:44
  made me literally I had to be. So I think that was the stuff
• 1:02:48
  where it's like I wasn't as concerned about that.
• 1:02:50
  I was more of like my imposter syndrome of like, I don't have a
• 1:02:53
  perfect dog that stuff like would really like weigh on me
• 1:02:58
  and stuff. And I also, I'm not like this at
• 1:03:00
  all anymore. I struggled with this big time
• 1:03:03
  throughout everything. I, I was not in like growing up,
• 1:03:06
  I was not the popular kid. I always like had popular
• 1:03:08
  friends. I was good at some things, but I
• 1:03:11
  was never the best at anything. So like I had so much like
• 1:03:16
  personal like like conflict with myself when I was younger that
• 1:03:22
  like I never thought I was good enough at anything and I was
• 1:03:26
  always kind of like wanting to be.
• 1:03:27
  I was always looking for validation.
• 1:03:29
  So even when I first started, like I wanted validation from
• 1:03:32
  like the popular trainers, I wanted to be liked.
• 1:03:36
  I wanted to. Now I don't give up because
• 1:03:39
  like, it's just that never got me anywhere except for like
• 1:03:43
  feeling more like bad about myself.
• 1:03:47
  So that kind of stuff is, I feel like that can be so toxic is,
• 1:03:51
  you know, looking for validation outside of like yourself.
• 1:03:54
  And it's, it is great to have a pat on the back and being told
• 1:03:57
  you're doing a good job. But like, I would seek it out.
• 1:04:00
  Like, I'd be like, I hope the person notices my thing.
• 1:04:03
  I hope like, yeah, that kind of stuff I think I would really try
• 1:04:07
  to work on. But I also don't think I'd be as
• 1:04:10
  like confident and like proud of the person I've become today if
• 1:04:14
  I wasn't like attention seeking. Like I truly struggled with that
• 1:04:20
  in all aspects of my life. And now I don't.
• 1:04:24
  And I feel like it just has made me a much healthier person
• 1:04:28
  today. So when you say like, what would
• 1:04:30
  you do the same, which you would do different?
• 1:04:31
  I'm sure there's different choices I would make now just
• 1:04:34
  from experience. But I don't know that I would
• 1:04:36
  change much because I really like the path that has brought
• 1:04:39
  me to personally. The only thing that I would have
• 1:04:42
  done, and you were much better about this than I was, Bethany,
• 1:04:44
  is I took too long to invest in myself.
• 1:04:47
  Like there were things that I was like, Oh, well, like maybe
• 1:04:50
  one day I'll go to that. Or maybe when it's like now if
• 1:04:54
  it was something that's like, I'm gonna make it happen.
• 1:04:56
  Like I'm gonna work to make sure I can go to it.
• 1:04:58
  I'm gonna you know, think of every sort of investment as
• 1:05:01
  investment into myself and into my business and not as like a,
• 1:05:05
  well, can I afford that, which I kind of stayed in that, you
• 1:05:09
  know, again, I was, you know, so young when I started.
• 1:05:12
  So it makes you feel kind of especially the generation that
• 1:05:15
  we both kind of came from is like, you go to college, you
• 1:05:18
  yeah, get married, you have kids, you do this, you save for
• 1:05:21
  your 401K. And I aligned with all of that
• 1:05:25
  to an extent, but also didn't align with like any of that.
• 1:05:28
  Yeah, well, I think like with experience and what you're
• 1:05:31
  talking about is so important to note because, and I remember
• 1:05:35
  reaching out to a local trainer who did not offer a shadow
• 1:05:38
  program. And I was so bummed.
• 1:05:40
  And I thought she would be my answer to like getting better.
• 1:05:43
  And I remember I would message her every now and then on
• 1:05:46
  Instagram, like, hey, I'm really struggling with this dog.
• 1:05:50
  Can you give me an answer, basically.
• 1:05:51
  But I think there's also so much power.
• 1:05:54
  And I know it sucks in the moment when you feel like you
• 1:05:56
  just want all the answers. But we would not be where we are
• 1:05:59
  right now. We would not have the confidence
• 1:06:00
  we have. We would not be leading a
• 1:06:02
  seminar together for trainers if we didn't have all the missteps
• 1:06:05
  with owners that we've worked with, all the stories that now
• 1:06:07
  we can tell there's I mean, it's kind of cool now when you can
• 1:06:12
  tell stories about whoa, this shit really hit the fan with
• 1:06:15
  this owner and dog. Now, I would do things
• 1:06:17
  differently, but you also, I think leaning into experience
• 1:06:21
  and going into it as a new trainer with the mindset of, OK,
• 1:06:26
  there's going to be crappy moments, but everything is going
• 1:06:28
  to teach me something new. And I think not always trying to
• 1:06:31
  like, avoid the mistakes from happening and being so like
• 1:06:35
  paralyzed by that fear, I think could be a strength.
• 1:06:39
  I kind of wish I would have thought of it that way.
• 1:06:40
  I was just always trying to jump three steps ahead.
• 1:06:44
  So that's why I guess it'd be more like mindset, like just
• 1:06:46
  being aware of that. Totally.
• 1:06:48
  Yeah, I love that. Those are all really good
• 1:06:50
  questions. The last four questions were all
• 1:06:51
  from the same person. So my guess is she must be
• 1:06:55
  trying to think on if she wants to dabble into being a dog
• 1:06:57
  trainer. You're asking, Well, First off,
• 1:06:59
  just to give you a little bit of kudos depending on where you are
• 1:07:01
  in your journey, you're asking such great questions and asking
• 1:07:06
  all those questions. The thing I just want to push
• 1:07:08
  you a little bit is when you are thinking like all of these
• 1:07:13
  questions you have, there's a reason you have them.
• 1:07:15
  So maybe trust your gut on why you're asking them.
• 1:07:18
  Like don't convince yourself why you're not capable of it.
• 1:07:23
  That's one thing. I would just make sure that like
• 1:07:26
  you, ask the questions, take the answers and apply something with
• 1:07:28
  them. Yeah, take action today.
• 1:07:30
  Do something. Do something.
• 1:07:32
  And sign up for the trainer and you.
• 1:07:34
  Clearly, I mean, that's a that's.
• 1:07:36
  Especially traders who have all these questions, which I or
• 1:07:39
  people who do the trainer and you week is basically ask.
• 1:07:42
  I mean there's so many moments where everyone's asking
• 1:07:44
  questions, giving feedback. Everyone is just taking stuff
• 1:07:49
  that other trainers say it's. Like none of them are the same.
• 1:07:51
  That's the thing that's so cool. Obviously for us, none of them
• 1:07:53
  are even the same for the person because you know, obviously a
• 1:07:56
  lot of people are just coming once.
• 1:07:57
  But that's I think the most exciting part too is like we
• 1:08:00
  have the same booklet which we adjust every single time, but it
• 1:08:04
  is never the same same like concept and same kind of like
• 1:08:08
  what comes from it is like the community, community, community.
• 1:08:12
  But that's the thing that is so fun for me is like we it's a
• 1:08:16
  gamble when people are coming in.
• 1:08:18
  We know it's gonna be amazing, but it's like, what are what's
• 1:08:21
  this crew going to care the most about?
• 1:08:22
  What's this one going to be like?
• 1:08:23
  It's really fun. Well.
• 1:08:25
  That's also one last thing I'll say about if when I was a newer
• 1:08:29
  trainer, what I would have leaned into even more.
• 1:08:31
  It's community and that's hard to find, but I remember when I
• 1:08:34
  first met some trainers through the seminar I went to before I
• 1:08:38
  met you at the seminar in person.
• 1:08:41
  It changed everything for me because if you have other
• 1:08:44
  trainers to lean on who can support you, who you can ask
• 1:08:47
  questions like I, that's what I was craving the most when I went
• 1:08:51
  to one of those was that feeling of having other people that get
• 1:08:55
  it, that can support me, that I can reach out like it's just
• 1:08:59
  that is invaluable. Is that the word?
• 1:09:02
  Priceless, yeah. Priceless.
• 1:09:03
  OK, so yeah, it's community is just such a important piece of
• 1:09:08
  the puzzle, so. Yeah, I totally agree and.
• 1:09:10
  We're going to say this forever. It is our seminar.
• 1:09:12
  So hello, of course we're going to like want you to come.
• 1:09:15
  But also we believe very strongly in it.
• 1:09:17
  And people keep telling us that like this people just like we're
• 1:09:19
  making these things up. Literally every single person
• 1:09:22
  that comes is like Oh my God. Like A, why didn't I do this
• 1:09:26
  sooner? And B.
• 1:09:26
  Also this is the best week of my life and I just left with my new
• 1:09:29
  best friends. Yes.
• 1:09:31
  Yeah, but well, we have some sunshine today.
• 1:09:34
  I'm happy about that. And Mandy's back today, so she
• 1:09:38
  just got here. So I'm going to go start working
• 1:09:41
  with my crew for the day. What do you have on the docket
• 1:09:43
  for yours? Work with Thor yeah one dog
• 1:09:47
  right now, which is kind of nice but check on my sprouts bape do
• 1:09:51
  nothing no, I'm just. Kidding.
• 1:09:52
  How's Charlie? So much better.
• 1:09:55
  Good. Yeah.
• 1:09:56
  I cannot believe we almost didn't have him.
• 1:09:58
  Like the thought of that is so bizarre because he's walking
• 1:10:00
  around being normal is. He still on the meds.
• 1:10:02
  Yeah, we upped it a little bit yesterday.
• 1:10:05
  He stopped taking the capsule which is more tranquilizer ish.
• 1:10:10
  OK. Yeah.
• 1:10:11
  So yeah, yeah, yeah, I think you guys were like, obviously it's
• 1:10:15
  whatever you guys. But like the tranquilizer one,
• 1:10:17
  that's tough because it's like literally they're walking
• 1:10:19
  around. Like that's not the goal either
• 1:10:21
  to be like, no, we. Don't want him to be comatose
• 1:10:25
  all day, no. So yeah, he started begging for
• 1:10:28
  food yesterday and I was. Like, good.
• 1:10:30
  Yep, It's so good. OK, well, I'm gonna let you go.
• 1:10:35
  You know what I mean? Yeah.
• 1:10:37
  See, like, I don't know. We're just.
• 1:10:38
  Gonna work. What does it We just like say
• 1:10:40
  it. We just.
• 1:10:41
  That doesn't have to do anything, does it?
• 1:10:43
  I don't know. See, this is where I struggle
• 1:10:44
  with saying it. You know what I mean?
• 1:10:45
  Can you imagine? OK.
• 1:10:46
  OK either way. I didn't ask about your animals.
• 1:10:49
  They're OK everyone's. Good.
• 1:10:51
  Everyone's good. Rhody decided he doesn't like
• 1:10:53
  his food anymore after. Yeah, so now we're making
• 1:10:57
  homemade food and currently he's enjoying it.
• 1:10:59
  We literally saw that food that we got at the farmers market he
• 1:11:04
  loved. So I tried to order some online.
• 1:11:07
  Then she like my order got accepted, but I got an e-mail
• 1:11:11
  saying that like they can't ship to Wisconsin because they just
• 1:11:14
  don't have the, they're not able to keep it cool or something.
• 1:11:17
  I don't know. So I literally was like, OK, he
• 1:11:21
  loves his food. I'm going to get the
• 1:11:24
  ingredients. And I already know like the
• 1:11:27
  things he can't have, things he can have, would be sensitive to
• 1:11:29
  pancreas. He can't have high fat because
• 1:11:31
  blah, blah, blah. And now we're making his own,
• 1:11:33
  his food, and he's eating three to four times a day versus two
• 1:11:37
  big meals. We're just doing like small.
• 1:11:40
  This is such like, I would do it again in a heartbeat.
• 1:11:43
  But like the mental whiplash that this has put us through in
• 1:11:48
  the last couple of years is wild.
• 1:11:51
  But we love our freaking dogs. So it's like, what are we gonna
• 1:11:56
  do? Just like, let them get even
• 1:11:58
  more depleted than he already looks.
• 1:12:00
  But he's like kind of begging for his food, which is great.
• 1:12:04
  Anytime he acts hungry, we're feeding him is what we're doing
• 1:12:06
  right now. Yeah.
• 1:12:07
  So yeah, so. And it's actually kind of nice.
• 1:12:10
  This actually might end up saving US money because his food
• 1:12:12
  that we've been ordering is so expensive.
• 1:12:14
  And of course, a new shipment just came in.
• 1:12:16
  But Bertie eats anything and everything.
• 1:12:18
  So honestly, I think that that's going to be her longevity is her
• 1:12:22
  diet changes all the time, which is actually like really good for
• 1:12:25
  a dog to have the variation. So she's eating something new
• 1:12:30
  all the time because it's like, oh, Rhody won't eat that now.
• 1:12:32
  OK, right here you go, bird. So she's loving it.
• 1:12:35
  Oh. My gosh, Can you imagine if you
• 1:12:37
  started selling dog food? I knew you were going to say
• 1:12:40
  that. And also Casey literally said
• 1:12:41
  that this morning. And like you too.
• 1:12:44
  And I go, OK, Jeremy Clarkson, like we're going to have to go
• 1:12:47
  through testing to make sure that like how long with the
• 1:12:49
  shelf life? I'm like, let's just get our dog
• 1:12:53
  eating and then let's talk about selling dog food, OK, All right,
• 1:12:57
  We. Have we have a lot of great
• 1:12:58
  ideas? You guys have a lot of great
• 1:13:00
  ideas. We're driving to our workout the
• 1:13:01
  other day and Casey has all these great video ideas for
• 1:13:05
  canine, which I love. But I kind of sit there and I
• 1:13:08
  try not to be like the, you know.
• 1:13:12
  But. OK.
• 1:13:15
  And I'm going to like wait till you execute it.
• 1:13:17
  Like no, still waiting to get that list did.
• 1:13:21
  He tell you how I texted him with an idea for a
• 1:13:23
  collaboration. Yes, and he was really excited
• 1:13:26
  about it. He showed me the video that he
• 1:13:28
  made for you, which was amazing. I love it so much.
• 1:13:30
  Yeah, yeah. I can't.
• 1:13:31
  Wait to get on my site yeah but I was like I literally just
• 1:13:35
  texted him as soon as I thought of it.
• 1:13:37
  I don't even love the ideas about plan it.
• 1:13:39
  There's no. Plan, we'll see who's going to
• 1:13:40
  execute it. See, that's the thing though is
• 1:13:42
  like when you come up with ideas and you're like, we're going to
• 1:13:44
  do it. You execute it like when you
• 1:13:46
  start doing it for sure. It might take a while, like when
• 1:13:49
  I first texted you about doing a podcast.
• 1:13:51
  That was months ago. But here we are.
• 1:13:53
  This is the defined timing right now.
• 1:13:55
  Yeah, this is what it's meant to be.
• 1:13:56
  So dog food might be on the list.
• 1:13:58
  Maybe 15 years now. Who knows?
• 1:14:00
  I don't know. I'm.
• 1:14:00
  Going to be so over any sort of dog food discussion.
• 1:14:04
  Love my dog to death but when he makes his way to a different
• 1:14:10
  space and my life ends, I'm talking about it lightly.
• 1:14:15
  Like I'd be totally fine with it.
• 1:14:17
  No, like I'll literally need to be like putting an insane
• 1:14:20
  asylum. Yeah.
• 1:14:21
  But I will probably be like kibble's the best, which I'm
• 1:14:26
  not. I'm not like anti kibble.
• 1:14:29
  I'm just like he can't eat it. So it's like I, I don't want to
• 1:14:33
  talk about any sort of like. Just takes up so much of your
• 1:14:36
  conversation, I know. Yeah, so then I'm just like, so
• 1:14:39
  uninterested when anyone wants to talk about dog food at this
• 1:14:41
  point. So the idea of what if, what if
• 1:14:44
  we sell some of this dog food? It's like no, no, no I.
• 1:14:47
  Just no, No I don't. Want to even think about that?
• 1:14:49
  Yeah, and. I don't want to like have
• 1:14:50
  someone be like, I don't think my dog likes it.
• 1:14:52
  I don't care. That's literally what my
• 1:14:55
  customer service would be. Not my problem.
• 1:14:58
  Did you know how many types of food I had to try with my dog?
• 1:15:00
  Get it together. That is actually a great
• 1:15:03
  marketing idea. You would just do the opposite
• 1:15:05
  of what everyone else. Does I don't freaking care?
• 1:15:07
  Oh. My your dog doesn't I.
• 1:15:09
  Think I'd be good at that. Too bad.
• 1:15:11
  I think you would be great. I think you could put on your
• 1:15:13
  after I have. To say don't care, don't care.
• 1:15:16
  That's your slogan. Don't care.
• 1:15:19
  Hashtag don't care. I mean, I do care a lot, but
• 1:15:22
  also I really don't freaking. Care.
• 1:15:24
  How would that be to just lean into that?
• 1:15:27
  I don't care. Oh my gosh, I imagine too me
• 1:15:33
  too. Okay, number one, we need to
• 1:15:36
  come up with something, a product we can sell where we can
• 1:15:38
  just lean into this because now I want to tag team I want.
• 1:15:40
  To be Well someone did ask us and I didn't answer this
• 1:15:43
  question. Nothing wrong about your
• 1:15:45
  question, I just forgot to read it was Have you all thought
• 1:15:48
  about creating a dog March together?
• 1:15:51
  I need more hats and caps. My mind immediately goes to I've
• 1:15:54
  got thousands of shirts on stocks but I'm like go buy
• 1:15:57
  those. You buy those friggin shirts?
• 1:16:02
  But whenever I hear someone fucking say in a comment, put
• 1:16:05
  this on a shirt and I'm like, where were you when I was
• 1:16:07
  selling a shirt? Like where were you when I was
• 1:16:09
  selling? I had.
• 1:16:10
  Thousands of comments of give me like don't touch my dog shirts
• 1:16:13
  and I have thousands in inventory.
• 1:16:15
  Wait did you go to each comment and say hey we have these
• 1:16:18
  available now? No.
• 1:16:20
  OK, so you might want to do that.
• 1:16:22
  I did that with the dog diary calendar.
• 1:16:24
  I'm and I'm being dramatic like we've sold a lot.
• 1:16:26
  I probably over committed on the ordering, but it was that's why
• 1:16:30
  you don't you want to like get the price down to be able to
• 1:16:32
  sell them so people can actually purchase them.
• 1:16:34
  And so now I'm like, my whole dresser in my basement is full
• 1:16:37
  of dog. Foods well, OK, so let's let's
• 1:16:41
  let's start sharing about them first.
• 1:16:43
  You haven't you need to share again, I think OK, so can you I
• 1:16:49
  can spell I can share about them too.
• 1:16:51
  But that's the thing about selling merchandise or like
• 1:16:53
  apparel you like. I don't.
• 1:16:56
  Care. You want to ensure it says don't
• 1:17:02
  pet, don't pet my. Dog, I don't care.
• 1:17:04
  I don't care. I have one.
• 1:17:05
  But if you, if you do want some Lincoln bio.
• 1:17:10
  Oh, by the way, Casey was saying that he'd be more than happy to
• 1:17:14
  make reels out of our out of our podcast.
• 1:17:17
  Because I asked Molly to do that.
• 1:17:19
  Oh, you did. OK, yeah, but if he wants to,
• 1:17:22
  wonderful. The thing about it is he'll just
• 1:17:25
  need to get access from you for the videos.
• 1:17:28
  You asked her to make reels or put them on the YouTube.
• 1:17:31
  Oh, what did you say, Reels? Oh, I got it like blacked out.
• 1:17:34
  I forgot what you just said. I got so excited for no reason.
• 1:17:37
  Obviously I asked her to do where it's like reel of clips
• 1:17:42
  from this. Yeah, to share on Instagram to
• 1:17:44
  be like, hey, clip. Because on Riverside when it
• 1:17:47
  does the magic clips, they are the dumbest things ever.
• 1:17:50
  It's like terrible and I almost get nauseous like trying to
• 1:17:55
  figure out like how do I? Like hours of content.
• 1:17:59
  Well, that's so, I think. He did say to me is he was like
• 1:18:02
  you guys would just have to like tell me a part that like you
• 1:18:04
  like and I'm like, no, I can't do that.
• 1:18:05
  Like I, we like it all and also like I I forget what we talked
• 1:18:10
  about 3 minutes ago and. I don't want to rehash it, I
• 1:18:12
  don't care. I don't care.
• 1:18:20
  It's be like our what is it? I'm not a huge Taylor Swift
• 1:18:23
  person. I like her music.
• 1:18:24
  I'm not a Swifty. But the Easter eggs, can that be
• 1:18:27
  our Easter egg? Like, I don't care.
• 1:18:28
  So like anytime we say it, someone who listens to the pod
• 1:18:31
  will. Be they don't know, you know,
• 1:18:33
  they're like, they don't care. Either.
• 1:18:34
  Literally, we all don't care. We don't care, OK?
• 1:18:37
  So if anyone listens to this episode, do us a favor, put it
• 1:18:42
  on your like, share it in your stories and just write.
• 1:18:44
  I don't care and no one will know what you're talking about
• 1:18:47
  except for we will, so tag we. Will Yeah, we will.
• 1:18:49
  Letting people think that we don't care about this podcast.
• 1:18:52
  Who cares? I don't care.
• 1:18:53
  I don't care. How is that?
• 1:18:57
  I feel like I could I, I could do so many things today and I
• 1:19:01
  don't care. I don't care either.
• 1:19:03
  Oh fuck that's just great. This makes me want to class.
• 1:19:07
  OK I need a new laptop. Literally this is telling me my
• 1:19:09
  thing's about to die. Was that 100% when we started?
• 1:19:11
  OK, this has been such a great conversation.
• 1:19:13
  I don't care if like, people don't like it.
• 1:19:16
  I don't care. OK?
• 1:19:16
  This is how we should end it, OK?
• 1:19:18
  I don't care. All right, I don't care.
• 1:19:20
  Love you. Love you.
• 1:19:21
  Bye.