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Looking for Purpose in the Pain with Anne Graham Lotz and Rachel-Ruth Lotz Wright; Looking for Insight in Your Job and Career Choice with Robert Dickie III, and Looking for Joy in Our Lives with Chip Ingram · Karl and Crew

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  S1: Broadcasting from Chicago, across North America and beyond. It's Carl
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  S1: Delivering the truth daily.
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  S4: All of my attempts to you know. Prop myself up
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  S4: with achievement and good works. Well, God wasn't impressed by that,
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  S4: even if other people were.
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  S2: The gospel changes everything.
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  S1: Now, from the call of Hope Studios, this is Carl
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  S1: and Crew.
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  S6: Yeah. The question from Jesus was, what are you looking for?
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  S6: Turned and saw them following and said to them, what
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  S6: are you seeking? And they said to him, Rabbi, which means, teacher,
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  S6: where are you staying? And he said, come and you
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  S6: will see. So they came and saw where he was staying,
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  S6: and they stayed with him that day, for it was
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  S6: about the 10th hour. You know, the interesting thing about
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  S6: Jesus is that it really does boil down to our
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  S6: relationship to him, revolves around what are you looking for
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  S6: and what are the different things that we're looking for
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  S6: in Jesus? And there's myriad, right? What are we looking
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  S6: for in him?
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  S7: I mean, I think we're looking for hope. Yeah. Looking
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  S7: for peace a purpose.
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  S8: Peace is a big one. Love.
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  S6: Love.
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  S2: Acceptance.
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  S6: Yeah. And it's, it's interesting because until we're looking for
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  S6: him to be our savior, those things will remain elusive.
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  S6: And I think that's one of the challenges is that
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  S6: until we really embrace his deity and surrender our lives
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  S6: to him completely, some of those things might seem a
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  S6: bit elusive. You know, that's the introductory words of what
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  S6: Jesus was saying to his disciples. What are you seeking?
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  S6: What do you want? And ultimately, it resulted in a
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  S6: dozen guys that headed off following him. And the world
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  S6: was changed through this great messiah. So just a quick
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  S6: thought here this morning. What are you seeking in Jesus?
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  S6: What are you seeking in him? And the tendency is
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  S6: to nibble around the edges, right, guys, rather than to
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  S6: get in the middle of that thing and go, wow,
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  S6: do I really want him for who he came to be?
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  S7: You know, when you think about like, the exchanges that
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  S7: Jesus had where he would specifically ask, what do you
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  S7: want me to do for you? You know, it it
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  S7: feels like sometimes it should have been obvious. Like what?
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  S7: What else would the blind man want you to do
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  S7: for him? But he still asks him the question, what
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  S7: do you what do you want me to do for you?
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  S7: What do you want from me? What are you looking for?
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  S7: I think it's interesting that that Jesus asked that question.
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  S7: Obviously he knew.
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  S6: Yeah.
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  S7: Not only was it should have been fairly obvious to
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  S7: everybody what this man's need was, but he knows everything.
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  S7: But yet he still wanted him to identify what it
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  S7: was that he wanted.
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  S6: Yeah. And Jesus is so famous for answering questions with questions.
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  S6: I mean, he's just famous for it. Where are you going? Well,
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  S6: what are you seeking? Who are you? Well, what are
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  S6: you looking for? I mean, what what a great week
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  S6: we're going to have here. What are you looking for?
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  S6: And have you really found it in Jesus that the
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  S6: the tendency is for many on this sanctification process. And
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  S6: we know most of you listening right now have an
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  S6: authentic relationship with Christ where he has radically transformed your soul.
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  S6: And by the way, there's no salvation that isn't radical
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  S6: because born with your back to God being an enemy
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  S6: of the cross, moving to being a friend of God.
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  S6: That's all about repentance, confession of sin, recognizing, boy, my
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  S6: biggest problem is looking at me in the mirror every morning.
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  S6: It's not the wife or the husband looking over my
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  S6: shoulder in the mirror. The problem is me. It's my
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  S6: problem and I need a savior. And the tendency can be,
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  S6: and this is the constant call on our life to
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  S6: come back to what are you looking at Jesus for?
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  S6: What are you looking for in him? And if we
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  S6: come back to this great salvation where we recognize I
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  S6: need a Savior today just as much as I did
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  S6: a decade ago, just as much as I did a
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  S6: week ago. I need a Savior today that will keep.
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  S6: And just think about this for a second. Just come
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  S6: back to this reality. What are you looking for in Jesus?
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  S6: Here's what he offers. He is the way, the truth,
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  S6: and the life. Nothing's changed. And no matter what it
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  S6: is that you're up against, the answer is found in
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  S6: a relationship with Jesus. This is where freedom flows. This
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  S6: is where self-control is born. This is where wisdom is found.
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  S6: And if we can just stay there, it's just kind
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  S6: of like a little moment of a devo here. Are
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  S6: you still looking for what you need in Christ Jesus
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  S6: our Lord? At the end of the day, no matter
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  S6: what we're talking today. Peace. A new job. I mean,
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  S6: at the end of the day, Jesus does have the
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  S6: answers for these things. He does. And it's it's just
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  S6: a joy to be tackling this topic this week. Well,
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  S6: coming up here in a minute. Ali's got some zany
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  S6: stuff on what you're looking for. This is Mercy me
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  S6: walk with Jesus today. Ask him. Talk to him about
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  S6: what you're looking for and find it in him today.
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  S1: Celebrating the unstoppable gospel.
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  S2: It's not that I've got to fill in these check boxes.
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  S2: So he's okay with me, but it's that I get
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  S2: to stand close to him so that I can experience
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  S2: the life that he has for me.
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  S1: You're listening to cast and crew.
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  S6: It's Carl and crew. You got me stumped, Ali. You
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  S6: got me stumped on this one.
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  S7: You know, one stat I read said the average person
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  S7: spends about six months of their life looking for lost
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  S7: or misplaced items.
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  S6: Oh my goodness.
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  S7: So that five minutes that you spent this morning rummaging
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  S7: around for keys or a phone that was lost. If
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  S7: you add that up six months of your life.
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  S6: Time out, that's maybe one of the. I wonder if
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  S6: Kathy Lip has ever cited that stat in her organization.
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  S2: Oh, that's a good question.
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  S7: I mean, there's few things like the frustration of needing
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  S7: to be out the door five minutes ago.
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  S2: And you can't find.
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  S7: It and you can't find your fill in the blank.
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  S7: Some of the most commonly lost items for Americans. Phone
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  S7: number one keys, remote glasses. Sometimes they're on the top
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  S7: of your head. You're looking for them.
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  S6: My bride had two readers on two, not one two.
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  S6: No no no no distance glasses that she has. And
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  S6: then she had readers had them both on top of
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  S6: her head. No joking man, I can't find my glasses.
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  S6: That's where they were, right there on her head.
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  S7: You just crack up.
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  S6: Oh yeah. We had a big laugh.
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  S7: Headphones commonly lost the wallet. That was particularly frustrating. Charger.
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  S7: Debit or credit cards. Jewelry. Important documents, hats, ID and
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  S7: purse at the. Rounding out the list. So I want
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  S7: you to weigh in on this boom crew for you.
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  S7: What is that item in your house that you spend
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  S7: the most time looking for? 805, five, five, 78, 98
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  S7: most commonly lost, most sought after item in your house
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  S7: 800 555, 78, 90.
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  S6: We got to get phone calls in this one. Yeah,
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  S6: because we got to practice self-effacement here. This is very
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  S6: good for you. This is a great spiritual discipline. When
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  S6: you can admit I've got a problem in my life
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  S6: and tell the world about it, it's good. So give
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  S6: us a call. What item in your house do you
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  S6: spend the most time looking for? 800 555, 78, 98 Lester.
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  S6: First time caller Sheridan, Ohio. What do you say, Lester?
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  S9: I was eating in a restaurant. Just got my my
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  S9: new dentures that day, and I couldn't eat very well
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  S9: with them, so I took them off, set them on
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  S9: my food tray, and forgot they were there. I dumped
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  S9: my food tray in the trash and left.
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  S3: Oh no, oh no, oh.
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  S6: No. And you didn't know you dumped them?
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  S9: I didn't, not until about 30 minutes later. I realized
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  S9: I didn't have them on me. So we went back
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  S9: to the restaurant and they had already taken the trash.
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  S9: So they went, they dug through the trash can and
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  S9: or the trash bag and they found them for me.
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  S2: Good people.
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  S8: Yeah, really good people.
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  S9: Absolutely.
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  S6: That's a blessing. Yeah.
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  S2: Oh, man. That's the.
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  S3: Worst.
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  S6: A little tip coming their way for digging through the refuse.
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  S6: Looking for teeth. Wow.
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  S2: I had to do that once. I accidentally threw my
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  S2: car keys away while I was working at McDonald's. And
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  S2: I threw them in the back trash near where all
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  S2: the dishes and things got washed. So it was like
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  S2: the grossest trash can in the place. That was not
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  S2: my favorite. I got the keys.
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  S6: Isn't that weird how keys can land or. My phone
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  S6: landed one time at the bottom of the Green Monster. Yeah,
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  S6: I was throwing out things with one. I had two hands,
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  S6: I had recycling, I had trash, and I had a
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  S6: phone in one hand.
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  S3: Yeah.
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  S2: And you just dump it with all the other. Yeah, absolutely.
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  S6: And then I'm like, oh no, where is that thing?
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  S6: Because I didn't remember how I lost it. And I'm like,
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  S6: did I throw it in the trash? And I go
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  S6: out there and I open up the big green monster,
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  S6: and it's a little light emanating from the bottom of
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  S6: the trash can.
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  S2: Oh.
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  S6: And so I go dumpster diving right there, man.
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  S7: Gotta do it.
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  S6: Gotta do it. Phillip and Aurora. What? What is it
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  S6: for you, my man?
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  S10: Oh, man. I'm just feeling so bad for Lester. I
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  S10: hope he washed his teeth, man.
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  S3: Yeah, man.
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  S6: I wonder if they went through the dishwasher rack.
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  S3: In the back.
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  S10: Hey, well, brothers and sisters, you know that I'm blind
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  S10: in one eye. I can't see out the other, so
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  S10: I lose stuff all the time.
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  S3: Yeah.
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  S6: You do. That's right. That's. That's no joking.
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  S10: It's no joke, but it keeps me humble. I, I
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  S10: told you all that right now. Currently, it's that brick,
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  S10: that charger, that phone thing. Oh, yeah. That you plug
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  S10: into your laptop. Yeah. And it's flat and it's black,
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  S10: which doesn't help anyway, because I've got a dark brown
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  S10: desk and I'm saying, honey, Heather, Heather, where's my, where's
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  S10: my charger? And she said, did you look by the laptop?
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  S10: I said, yeah. She said, did you reach behind it?
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  S10: I said, oh. Oh right. Yeah, yeah.
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  S3: You got a good bride man.
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  S6: You got a good bride.
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  S10: Well, don't let me travel somewhere. And you know, you
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  S10: put your, you got your plane backpack. And I always
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  S10: have my I put it in my plane backpack and
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  S10: I can never find it. And it's always my dear
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  S10: bride just giving me grace and mercy because I do
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  S10: not deserve.
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  S3: And I love that.
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  S6: You got a good bride. I do too, when I
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  S6: get off planes now because I left something. I even
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  S6: forget what it was. Something really important in the seat
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  S6: back pocket. You know what I'm saying? In front of me?
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  S10: Yes.
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  S6: And she's like, bub, make sure you check your seat.
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  S6: And I was like, I checked. She comes walking out
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  S6: with it in her hand and I'm like, oh, and
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  S6: I hate it when I do that because then I'm like, oh,
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  S6: so now I'm Mister scour everything. I'm looking at the
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  S6: guy's seat back pocket beside me.
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  S7: Did I put it there? Why is it that at
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  S7: least in my house, it's either it's wife, mom or
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  S7: there are always the finder, so.
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  S3: I don't.
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  S6: Know what that is. I mean, got a nose for this?
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  S7: I don't know what it is. I am the one
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  S7: who is tasked with finding all the lost things. So
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  S7: if it's the lost, the lost pants to the uniform,
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  S7: it's the lost item. It's always mom.
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  S6: What is that?
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  S7: I've been looking. And then usually I find it pretty quickly.
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  S6: I'm going to write it off to you guys. You moms.
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  S6: Because my bride. You girls are just experts at finding
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  S6: lost stuff.
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  S7: I don't.
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  S3: Know who you.
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  S7: Are, but.
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  S6: You're.
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  S3: Experts.
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  S2: Definitely.
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  S7: Mom can't find it. It's really lost.
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  S2: This is a real thing. Studies show women have a
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  S2: better capacity to remember object locations, particularly in short term scenarios.
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  S2: They're often faster at finding items in the house or
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  S2: whereas men are better at finding things in wide open spaces.
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  S3: See you there.
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  S7: Stat man. Did you just come up with this?
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  S2: No, I.
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  S3: This is why I just made it up.
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  S6: This is why I was made for adventure in Alaska.
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  S6: Wide open spaces I can find. I can find a
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  S6: village 90 miles in front of me. But I can't
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  S6: find my keys.
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  S3: Yeah.
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  S2: There you go.
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  S8: Okay. Well. That's interesting.
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  S7: So there's some science to it.
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  S2: There's a detail oriented processing that women generally have that
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  S2: men generally don't.
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  S8: Wasn't there an expression that if it was a snake,
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  S8: it would have bit you? Oh yeah. You can't find it.
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  S8: It's like right there in front of your face.
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  S7: That's an old one I love. Snake would snake, it
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  S7: with a bitch.
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  S3: Which is, by the way.
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  S6: Once you find it, that's not the comment you need.
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  S6: It's not coming.
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  S8: In. Oh, no, no, I'm not saying.
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  S6: No, no, but I mean, it happens all the time.
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  S6: Snake it with a bitch. You all right? Taking your calls?
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  S6: You got a crazy one.
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  S7: Judy from Schaumburg, Illinois. You're on with Carl and Crew.
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  S7: What is that item for you?
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  S11: Good morning. It's watches.
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  S3: Watches?
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  S11: My watch? Yes. Um, for whatever reason, I lose every
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  S11: watch I ever had.
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  S7: You and my son, Judy.
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  S11: Um. And so what I started doing was I just
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  S11: gave up and I went to resale shops, and I
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  S11: bought $3 watches so I could train myself to keep them.
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  S11: You know, I'd lose them after about three weeks. And
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  S11: I now actually bought one at Macy's. And I've kept
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  S11: it about nine months.
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  S6: Nine months. Way to go. Give her a hand. Everybody
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  S6: doing it. Nine months watch.
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  S2: Nine month watch.
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  S6: Beautiful.
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  S8: Okay.
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  S6: I'm telling you, man, that serious stuff. Uh, Jamie Harwood Heights, Illinois.
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  S6: What do you say?
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  S10: Uh, God bless you guys. Thank you for taking my call.
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  S10: And thank you for everything you do for everybody with
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  S10: your programs. Thank you. Yeah. I usually, uh, lose my
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  S10: debit card all the time.
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  S2: Oh. Bad one.
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  S7: That's a costly one to lose, Jamie. Then you have
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  S7: to cancel it out and get a new one and
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  S7: go through the whole hassle every time.
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  S10: No, not at all. What happens is I have a
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  S10: couple of shirts with multiple pockets and coats and everything.
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  S10: When I go to the stores, I usually go to
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  S10: 2 or 3 stores, and then when I'm getting the ticket, uh,
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  S10: you know, my ticket with, uh, that I paid for
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  S10: and I take my card and put it in one
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  S10: of the pockets right away. Then I go to the
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  S10: next door and then I forget what pocket I put
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  S10: my card in.
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  S7: Got it.
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  S10: So I started looking all over my pockets in my
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  S10: pants and my coat and my jacket and my shirt.
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  S2: It's in there somewhere.
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  S6: Finally, Jamie, the reason this is important to figure out
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  S6: is that Ali says stats don't lie.
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  S7: Six months of your life spent looking for lost stuff,
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  S7: on average. Jamie, you know what I think a wallet
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  S7: might be in your future.
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  S6: Jamie. A wallet would be a good deal with a chain.
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  S7: A wallet with a chain.
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  S2: It's been a long time.
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  S7: Cue the 90s. Metallica.
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  S6: Keith, let's get you in here. Fort Lauderdale, Florida. What
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  S6: do you lose?
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  S12: Hey, guys. It's actually a roommate of mine. This is
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  S12: my best friend. And he would lose his keys every
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  S12: single day. So I found this keychain where when you whistle,
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  S12: it would whistle back at you. And so I'd hear
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  S12: him around the house. And it was the best thing
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  S12: for him. He would find his keys. And then like
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  S12: a month or two later, I hear him whistle and
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  S12: I'm like, what are you doing? He's like, I can't
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  S12: find my keys. I think the battery died and the keychain.
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  S7: It's a great idea.
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  S13: He's whistling it up, man. I didn't know you could
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  S13: get a retriever. That's a whistle.
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  S2: Awesome.
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  S6: Now, you got these little gizmos that can track almost
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  S6: any AirTags.
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  S13: Yeah.
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  S6: AirTags. You got to get those gizmo. In fact, I
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  S6: need to get those gizmos.
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  S14: But I still haven't found what I'm looking for.
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  S6: You don't want that to be your phone.
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  S14: Dial tone. What I'm looking for.
• 17:05
  S6: Got a lot of people weighing in on this question.
• 17:08
  S6: My mind. Somebody else said my marbles. Those are in
• 17:11
  S6: the same category.
• 17:12
  S7: Yep. Keys. Phone the lid to my Yeti like travel mug.
• 17:18
  S6: The lid to my Yeti.
• 17:19
  S7: Okay. That's good. A dog leash. My husband's phone, TV,
• 17:23
  S7: remote reading glasses, and other. Vote for glasses. Cell phone.
• 17:28
  S6: All right. Taking your calls. What item in your house
• 17:32
  S6: do you spend the most time looking for? And this
• 17:34
  S6: is a very spiritual conversation.
• 17:37
  S2: Of course.
• 17:38
  S6: It's very much so. And I'll tell you why. I
• 17:40
  S6: just found out from Ali Meister six months of our
• 17:45
  S6: life looking for stuff.
• 17:48
  S7: I mean, it's it's kind of discouraging, but I mean,
• 17:51
  S7: if you think about the amount of time you spend
• 17:53
  S7: per item and you go over many, many years, decades, oh,
• 17:57
  S7: adds up.
• 17:58
  S6: Jeff. First time caller, Lake Village, Indiana. What do you say?
• 18:03
  S15: Uh, this is embarrassing, Carl, but I was having a
• 18:06
  S15: very busy day out on the job, and I was
• 18:09
  S15: talking to my wife on the phone. She could tell
• 18:11
  S15: I was upset, and I said, honey, I don't know
• 18:14
  S15: what's going on. I can't find my phone anywhere. And
• 18:19
  S15: I'm literally talking to her on it.
• 18:21
  S6: This is for sure this happened. Jeff.
• 18:24
  S15: Yes, I am not kidding you.
• 18:27
  S2: So my.
• 18:28
  S9: Wife.
• 18:28
  S15: Will attest. My wife will attest to it, Carl, that
• 18:31
  S15: sometimes I'm a little crazy.
• 18:33
  S6: Okay. Okay. I love you, man. I love you. That's great.
• 18:39
  S7: You've never done that. I'll be looking for your phone
• 18:41
  S7: and you're on it. That's never happened to you.
• 18:43
  S2: Yeah. No, not while I'm on it.
• 18:45
  S7: Really? Okay, Jeff, you're not alone. You have at least
• 18:48
  S7: 1 or 2 of us that's happened to you.
• 18:50
  S6: But I don't know that I've ever been talking to
• 18:52
  S6: my wife on the phone.
• 18:54
  S2: Maybe saying I can't find my phone. Oh, Jeff. I've
• 18:56
  S2: had my phone in my hand, and I've been like, oh,
• 18:59
  S2: and I'm patting my pockets and I'm like, oh no,
• 19:01
  S2: my phone's not in my pocket because I'm.
• 19:03
  S7: Pretty much the same thing.
• 19:04
  S2: I don't know.
• 19:06
  S6: What's that got to do with the spiritual life? I'll
• 19:08
  S6: tell you what. Six months of your life looking for stuff.
• 19:11
  S6: What's the phrase? Everything needs to have a place and
• 19:14
  S6: everything in its place. Something like that. You got to
• 19:17
  S6: find it. Bring Jeff. Bring Jeff back here.
• 19:20
  S2: Bring Jeff. Oh! Hold on. You were like, you know
• 19:24
  S2: what they say. And then you, like, went through this
• 19:26
  S2: thing that like, didn't make much sense at all. What
• 19:29
  S2: do you mean? And you're like.
• 19:30
  S6: Everything has to have a place and everything in its place.
• 19:34
  S2: What does that mean?
• 19:35
  S6: Well, it's not real profound, but. Hey, Jeff, what did
• 19:37
  S6: your wife say when you're talking to her on the phone?
• 19:41
  S15: She was like, are you crazy? You're talking to me? Yeah,
• 19:48
  S15: I felt really. I felt really dumb. Let's just say that.
• 19:51
  S6: Oh, you're getting a Carlin Prize back for that one.
• 19:55
  S2: I love it, yes.
• 19:55
  S7: Okay, so, uh, apparently maybe Benjamin Franklin, although it's attributed
• 20:00
  S7: sometimes to other people, said a place for everything. Everything
• 20:03
  S7: in its.
• 20:04
  S6: Place. That's what I meant.
• 20:05
  S7: Okay, so that may or may not have been Benjamin Franklin.
• 20:08
  S7: You know, some of those.
• 20:09
  S2: May or may.
• 20:09
  S7: Not. Well, there are some, you know, some of those
• 20:11
  S7: quotes out there. They're really popular. And so they get
• 20:14
  S7: attributed to a lot of different people. But Benjamin Franklin
• 20:17
  S7: is one of the most common one that that's attributed to.
• 20:20
  S6: Oh, boy. All right. Uh, Michaela from Florida. What do
• 20:25
  S6: you say, sister?
• 20:27
  S16: So is that my mom's one time and I could
• 20:29
  S16: not find my phone. I was looking for hours and
• 20:32
  S16: she goes, check the fridge. It was on top of
• 20:34
  S16: the kool aid.
• 20:37
  S7: Oops.
• 20:40
  S17: Check the fridge. Oh. How does it get stuck in there? Yeah.
• 20:44
  S7: How did that happen? Did you just just drop it
• 20:47
  S7: off there while you were going for a drink of
• 20:49
  S7: kool aid?
• 20:50
  S16: I think that's what happened. And I think this was
• 20:53
  S16: back in the days when I was smoking a little
• 20:55
  S16: of the ganja.
• 20:57
  S6: Okay, now that is added hilarity.
• 21:01
  S2: Yeah.
• 21:02
  S6: That'll do. Why not to smoke the ganja right there
• 21:05
  S6: from Michaela. That's hilarious. Uh, Michaela, just for that little comment,
• 21:11
  S6: that's his self-effacing as they come. You're getting a Carl
• 21:15
  S6: and Crew prize pack.
• 21:16
  S2: I love it.
• 21:17
  S6: Things you think you'd never hear on Carl and crew.
• 21:20
  S6: But you do.
• 21:21
  S2: Hey. Life changed. That's real life.
• 21:24
  S6: Uh, Tony. First time caller. Trenton, Georgia. What do you say?
• 21:28
  S18: Hey. My glasses. I woke up yesterday morning and I
• 21:31
  S18: couldn't find my glasses beside the bed. I looked all
• 21:34
  S18: over the floor for them. I woke my wife up.
• 21:37
  S18: We woke up our 18 year old daughter. We woke
• 21:40
  S18: up our 20 year old daughter. We looked all over.
• 21:43
  S18: We couldn't find them. Finally, my 20 year old daughter
• 21:45
  S18: looked at me and said, dad, they're on your head,
• 21:48
  S18: you moron.
• 21:50
  S7: Hopefully set in love. But when you get woken.
• 21:55
  S2: Up, when you get woken up.
• 21:56
  S6: The best part about that story is waking up the
• 21:58
  S6: whole home and he's on his knees. He's looking around,
• 22:01
  S6: scouring around in there on his head the whole time.
• 22:04
  S6: That's outstanding. I gotta get my glasses. Oh, do you
• 22:08
  S6: guys have places for things? My bride's big on taking
• 22:11
  S6: off her ring. She has two places. She puts him
• 22:13
  S6: only two places.
• 22:14
  S7: Yes, I I'm good with that. With my wedding rings.
• 22:18
  S7: Because I did lose a wedding ring about ten years ago.
• 22:22
  S7: So I'm good at that. The thing that in our
• 22:24
  S7: house we spend the most time looking for my son,
• 22:27
  S7: who's 13, he has a watch, a smart watch that
• 22:30
  S7: he can call us and text on, and he loses
• 22:34
  S7: it at least once a week. And this has become
• 22:37
  S7: like the running frustration of the house because.
• 22:40
  S6: Not the joke.
• 22:41
  S7: The.
• 22:41
  S17: Frustration.
• 22:42
  S7: Because this is his theory. He goes, I have a system.
• 22:45
  S7: I said, well, what's your system? He goes, well, I
• 22:47
  S7: just wait it out and eventually it turns up. I said,
• 22:50
  S7: that's not a system.
• 22:51
  S2: That's a good system.
• 22:52
  S6: It is system.
• 22:53
  S7: So he needed it for a trip we were going on.
• 22:55
  S7: So we spent days looking for this watch, I mean,
• 22:59
  S7: days turning the whole house upside down. So I finally
• 23:03
  S7: just said, you know what? This time it's gone. So
• 23:05
  S7: I get on the phone and I call and you know,
• 23:08
  S7: it's I file the claim. I go through that whole process.
• 23:11
  S7: They said, okay, send us the deductible. We'll send you
• 23:14
  S7: the replacement, hang up the phone, go to do laundry.
• 23:18
  S7: Within one hour of filing the claim. I'm washing his
• 23:21
  S7: clothes and I feel something in the pocket of pajama pants.
• 23:25
  S7: And there is. That was found one hour after I
• 23:29
  S7: filed a claim.
• 23:30
  S17: Always happens.
• 23:31
  S6: That.
• 23:32
  S17: Way.
• 23:32
  S7: I said, you've got to be.
• 23:34
  S2: You should. You should have let the system do its thing. Ali.
• 23:37
  S7: Oh, and then he said, see, the system works.
• 23:40
  S17: See? This is.
• 23:41
  S7: Yeah, it works every time it turns up. That's proof
• 23:44
  S7: that his system of finding things works.
• 23:48
  S6: See, the system works.
• 23:49
  S7: It still.
• 23:50
  S6: Works. Just a great needle to a mom.
• 23:52
  S17: It really is.
• 23:53
  S7: After I've spent three days hunting for his watch.
• 23:57
  S17: I love it. It works.
• 23:59
  S6: All right. Uh, what item in your house do you
• 24:02
  S6: spend the most time looking for? And you might have
• 24:04
  S6: a crazy story. I didn't know they'd be this crazy. 805, five, five, 78, 98.
• 24:10
  S6: Why is it so important? Six months of your life
• 24:13
  S6: looking for stuff? What's Benjamin Franklin's quote? Because I slaughtered
• 24:18
  S6: it and Jonathan mocked me for it.
• 24:20
  S7: A place for everything. Everything in its place.
• 24:23
  S2: I don't know. It's not that profound. Just.
• 24:25
  S7: It's not that profound.
• 24:26
  S17: It is.
• 24:27
  S6: Profound.
• 24:27
  S2: Just. Hey, put stuff in one spot. That's. That said
• 24:31
  S2: the same thing.
• 24:32
  S7: That's the Jonathan version.
• 24:37
  S17: Man. Oh, Jonathan, you're rough.
• 24:41
  S6: On me this morning, man.
• 24:42
  S2: I know.
• 24:44
  S1: Walking closer to Jesus every day. You're listening to Carl
• 24:48
  S1: and crew.
• 24:49
  S6: I did not know this would be this funny. This
• 24:51
  S6: is funny. We're getting some funny responses here. Okay. Quick question.
• 24:55
  S6: What item in your house do you spend the most
• 24:57
  S6: time looking for? The reason we're asking this is we
• 24:59
  S6: found out six months of our life is looking for stuff.
• 25:02
  S6: We got to find a place. Give me the Benjamin
• 25:04
  S6: Franklin again. I know Jonathan hates it.
• 25:06
  S7: A place for everything and everything in its place.
• 25:10
  S6: See, I just had it twisted a little bit there,
• 25:12
  S6: but it's a good one. Boy, that's a good one.
• 25:14
  S6: Or as Jonathan says.
• 25:16
  S2: It's just it's just fine. Like, it's just, it's just easy.
• 25:20
  S2: Like that's easy advice. Anybody could have.
• 25:22
  S17: Said.
• 25:22
  S7: Stuff in a place where you remember.
• 25:24
  S2: Hey, take your stuff and put it in one spot.
• 25:26
  S7: Yeah. Thanks, Jonathan. That helps.
• 25:27
  S6: Appreciate that. Hey, you know, Jackie, first time caller. Evanston.
• 25:30
  S6: What do you say, Jackie?
• 25:32
  S19: Hey, listen, I, um, I lost my remote control. I'm
• 25:36
  S19: always looking for it. However, about three months ago, I
• 25:40
  S19: kept turning around, turning around, and, um, I was so dizzy.
• 25:44
  S19: And then the Lord said, leave it there. Wherever it is,
• 25:49
  S19: leave it there. So I because, you know, I got
• 25:52
  S19: a flash. It's behind the bed. I know it's there,
• 25:54
  S19: but you know what I did instead? I sat down
• 25:57
  S19: on my on my couch and I got my Bible
• 25:59
  S19: and I started to read my Bible like I have
• 26:02
  S19: never been reading it before because I wasn't reading it.
• 26:05
  S19: And he said, leave the remote control.
• 26:07
  S6: That's sweet.
• 26:08
  S17: You know what?
• 26:09
  S6: You know what? That is a cool story.
• 26:13
  S2: I know you know where it's at. Leave it there.
• 26:15
  S6: Leave it there.
• 26:17
  S17: When you're.
• 26:17
  S6: Dizzy and God says, leave it there, I think you
• 26:19
  S6: need to leave it there. Oh, Donna Ingleside, what do
• 26:22
  S6: you say, Donna?
• 26:24
  S20: Hey. Um, well, this one's a little embarrassing. Um, I
• 26:28
  S20: was I was always after my kids when they'd lose
• 26:32
  S20: their retainers. But as an adult, now, as a grown woman.
• 26:36
  S20: I have lost my partial twice. Um, so. And I'm
• 26:43
  S20: embarrassed to go back to the dentist to get another
• 26:46
  S20: one to tell him I've lost another one.
• 26:50
  S6: How do you lose him?
• 26:52
  S20: Well, the first one actually was in my purse, in
• 26:56
  S20: my car, which isn't a good thing, right when it's
• 26:59
  S20: not locked. But it was stolen. So for the for
• 27:02
  S20: the person that opened my purse.
• 27:04
  S17: Oh, they.
• 27:05
  S6: Got.
• 27:05
  S17: A surprise.
• 27:06
  S20: He was after. Yes, he got my partial. And the
• 27:11
  S20: second one, it's just because I feel like I gag
• 27:15
  S20: on it. And the second one again, I took it
• 27:17
  S20: out as soon as I got in my car and
• 27:19
  S20: it must have fallen then out, but I yeah, I
• 27:22
  S20: need to like suck it up and call the dentist.
• 27:25
  S6: Yeah. You know what, um, have young thunder called the
• 27:28
  S6: dentist and and just say, you know, we got a,
• 27:31
  S6: we got a girl that listens to her radio show.
• 27:33
  S6: She's a little embarrassed by this. Could you go easy
• 27:35
  S6: on her? Not guilt her out or anything?
• 27:37
  S20: Yeah. Like a lot embarrassed. Like not even a little.
• 27:41
  S7: Oh, that's so funny.
• 27:42
  S17: Oh, I.
• 27:43
  S6: Had a sea captain, kept losing his dentures, and he
• 27:47
  S6: would put him in a cup of water. Normally, we'd
• 27:49
  S6: come up out of the bunk and there's these teeth
• 27:52
  S6: floating in water. But every once in a while, I'd
• 27:54
  S6: lose those things because we're running around. He goes on
• 27:57
  S6: sale on dentures because he can't speak really well. So
• 28:00
  S6: he's yelling. I'm like, I don't know where they're at. Marvin.
• 28:04
  S7: Gotta keep those teeth close.
• 28:05
  S2: You know what? I'll say this. You don't need to
• 28:07
  S2: be embarrassed about losing something like that because the dentist is.
• 28:10
  S2: They're probably gonna get a couple extra bucks for making
• 28:13
  S2: another one. So, you know, they're not mad about you
• 28:16
  S2: losing it. It'll be okay.
• 28:17
  S17: Oh yeah. It happens.
• 28:18
  S2: They're fine. They're fine with it.
• 28:20
  S6: Scott. First time caller. Jackson, Mississippi. What do you say, Scott.
• 28:24
  S21: Hey, uh, this is really embarrassing. I left my Bible
• 28:28
  S21: at home yesterday, and I'm the preacher.
• 28:31
  S22: Oh, no. Um.
• 28:33
  S17: So.
• 28:36
  S21: I had to wing it with the, uh, with my
• 28:38
  S21: phone and a King James Bible with the V's and
• 28:43
  S21: the thous and the haves and the have nots.
• 28:47
  S6: Hey, at least you pulled it off, man. I'll tell
• 28:50
  S6: you what I, I, uh, I messed, I messed with
• 28:53
  S6: the buddy of mine way back in the day, so
• 28:56
  S6: he always had his notes bound. And, uh, I popped
• 29:00
  S6: that three ring binder open. Not those. Yeah. We did. Oh,
• 29:04
  S6: and he always, we knew that it was safe because
• 29:06
  S6: he always goes, opens it up and goes through it. Okay,
• 29:09
  S6: so we're sitting backstage and I just got done doing
• 29:13
  S6: some announcements, and he's going to get up and dish
• 29:14
  S6: it up, and he goes and grabs that notebook. And
• 29:16
  S6: we got a few of the worship teams standing around.
• 29:18
  S6: We're like acting like we're busy. And, and he goes, hey, dudes, dudes. Um, uh,
• 29:24
  S6: my notes are gone. And I mean, he had a
• 29:27
  S6: moment of panic, so I had to let him off
• 29:28
  S6: the hook quick because he's gotta go up and dish.
• 29:30
  S7: Oh, man.
• 29:31
  S6: I said, we got him right here, buddy. Everything's good.
• 29:34
  S6: But yeah, yeah. You don't want as a preacher, you
• 29:37
  S6: don't want to.
• 29:38
  S7: Don't want to have be looking for those notes right
• 29:40
  S7: before you're going up there.
• 29:41
  S6: Oh my goodness guys. Really quick Mike in Cleveland tell
• 29:45
  S6: us man.
• 29:47
  S23: For me it sucks. I'm convinced every time I do
• 29:51
  S23: laundry I lose like half a dozen man. I keep
• 29:54
  S23: buying them. And you know, a month later they're gone.
• 29:57
  S2: The dryer eats them, man. The dryer eats them.
• 29:59
  S23: Yeah, I've got a black hole in my house that
• 30:02
  S23: just loves socks.
• 30:03
  S6: Yeah, they go to Guyana, man. There is sock Guyana
• 30:06
  S6: out there somewhere. A little special place where socks go
• 30:10
  S6: and it's never a pair. It's like half one, one.
• 30:13
  S7: One, just one sock.
• 30:16
  S1: Start your day moving closer to Jesus. You're listening to
• 30:19
  S1: Carl and crew.
• 30:21
  S6: Carl and crew. Brand new week here. What are you
• 30:25
  S6: looking for? We're going to have young thunder vamping on
• 30:27
  S6: a little U2 tomb all week long. I still haven't
• 30:31
  S6: found what I'm looking for. We're going to have a
• 30:34
  S6: lot of angles on this one, and I'm so thrilled
• 30:37
  S6: we're hitting this, because survey says there's a lot of
• 30:40
  S6: you looking for work. Uh, Robert Dickey, our expert with
• 30:44
  S6: us here. Robert want to, but afraid to.
• 30:47
  S24: There's a lot of folks that are walking right now
• 30:50
  S24: with FUD fear, uncertainty and doubt as people are looking
• 30:54
  S24: for career transitions. And I would say for your audience,
• 30:57
  S24: the believers that are listening this morning, it is so
• 31:00
  S24: important when you're in this career transition to be finding
• 31:03
  S24: joy in the process. Let me tell you something that
• 31:05
  S24: I'm seeing Christians making a slight mistake in this process.
• 31:10
  S24: I see folks all the time. They're walking in faith.
• 31:14
  S24: They are praying. They know that God's going to open
• 31:16
  S24: up doors of opportunity for them. But here's a step
• 31:19
  S24: that they need to know as they are praying, as
• 31:22
  S24: they are looking for God to open up those doors
• 31:24
  S24: of opportunity. They've got to take a leap of faith.
• 31:28
  S24: The pathway is not going to be crystal clear right
• 31:30
  S24: in front of you. You've got to be notifying your network.
• 31:34
  S24: You've got to be taking leaps of faith. And, you know,
• 31:37
  S24: Paul talks about this in Romans when he talks about
• 31:40
  S24: Abraham's incredible faith that he had, that it was credited
• 31:43
  S24: to him as righteousness. And I know how difficult this
• 31:46
  S24: is when you might even be a mid-career professional, you
• 31:49
  S24: might be in your 40s, you might be in your 50s,
• 31:52
  S24: you just got laid off. It is a scary and
• 31:55
  S24: daunting thing to be looking for a new job, a
• 31:58
  S24: new career, but have joy in the process and make
• 32:01
  S24: sure as you're praying through this, that you're going to
• 32:03
  S24: have to take leaps of faith. You're going to have
• 32:06
  S24: to have uncomfortable conversations. You're going to have to talk
• 32:09
  S24: to people, go out required for us to actually take
• 32:12
  S24: those incredibly important first steps. And it's amazing how God
• 32:17
  S24: works when we walk with faith.
• 32:19
  S7: Robert Dickey. Our guest this morning at Career Advisor, speaker, blogger, author.
• 32:23
  S7: He hosts the podcast Taking the Leap, which features leaders, executives, CEOs, entrepreneurs,
• 32:29
  S7: people who have taken a leap in this new economy.
• 32:32
  S7: Let's talk about this new economy. You mentioned taking that
• 32:35
  S7: step of faith. What are the new steps of faith,
• 32:38
  S7: those new leaps that we need to be prepared to take?
• 32:41
  S7: That may be surprising for those who have not been
• 32:44
  S7: in the job market unexpectedly laid off after a time.
• 32:47
  S24: One of the things that I would recommend is immediately,
• 32:50
  S24: I see this all the time. Someone maybe the downsizing, layoffs,
• 32:54
  S24: there can be a little bit of a sense of
• 32:57
  S24: maybe guilt or shame, like, hey, maybe am I not
• 33:00
  S24: valuable enough? AM I, do I not have the right skills?
• 33:03
  S24: AM I not needed? Not wanted? And people almost don't
• 33:06
  S24: want to talk about that. They are in the job
• 33:08
  S24: market and we need to flip the narrative. All of
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  S24: those fears and uncertainties and doubts, that's not true. The
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  S24: number one thing that I see in people getting hired
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  S24: new opportunities, new jobs, you have to notify your network,
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  S24: your personal network, your friends, your family, your pastor, your church,
• 33:27
  S24: every single person that you meet and know they need
• 33:30
  S24: to understand you are in the job market. You are
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  S24: a valuable person. You have career skills that you've honed
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  S24: and worked on your entire career. You're looking for a
• 33:39
  S24: new opportunity. You will be surprised at how many opportunities
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  S24: you will find through your job market. I know people
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  S24: like to go out there and put their resume out
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  S24: on the message boards and ladders and LinkedIn and all
• 33:50
  S24: these different places. I'm just telling you, I see the
• 33:54
  S24: new opportunities coming from your friends and your network who
• 33:57
  S24: know you best. They will open up doors of opportunity
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  S24: for you. Tell everybody.
• 34:01
  S6: Robert Dickey, our guest right now coming up here. I
• 34:04
  S6: heard something, Robert, not to oh, it's probably been several
• 34:08
  S6: years ago now about what employers are looking for. That
• 34:11
  S6: is a sure shot way to get a job and
• 34:14
  S6: hold that job. I'm going to run it past our expert,
• 34:17
  S6: Robert Dickey. What are you looking for? Looking for a
• 34:20
  S6: career shift? Maybe a new job. Maybe you unexpectedly got
• 34:24
  S6: dumped on your head and it hurts. Walking by faith.
• 34:28
  S6: Trust in God for the balance. More with Robert Dickey.
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  S6: Straight ahead.
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  S1: Helping you take the next step in your walk with Jesus.
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  S6: God longs for.
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  S1: Us.
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  S6: Today to seek him and ask him to move in
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  S6: ways that we never could.
• 34:43
  S1: You're listening to cast and crew.
• 34:45
  S6: What are you looking for? That's what we're tackling all
• 34:48
  S6: week long. Robert Dickey, our guest right now. And we're
• 34:50
  S6: going to have a killer resource for you here in
• 34:53
  S6: just a moment. Robert, I had heard this a number
• 34:56
  S6: of years ago. In fact, I shared this yesterday with
• 34:58
  S6: a guy that had lost work and now has found
• 35:01
  S6: a great job that's got long term benefits. And this
• 35:04
  S6: is what I shared with them because it made sense
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  S6: to me. I want your take on this. I was
• 35:08
  S6: told years ago, you solve someone's problems, you'll never be
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  S6: out of a job. And you think about this with
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  S6: garbage collectors, teachers, everybody's solving someone's problem. But if you
• 35:20
  S6: can be that problem solver where you don't delegate back
• 35:24
  S6: to your boss or you're bringing value to your organization
• 35:27
  S6: because you're fixing a problem, you're never without work. That
• 35:30
  S6: made sense to me. What do you say, Robert?
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  S24: It's absolutely 100% spot on. You gave incredible advice. Companies
• 35:38
  S24: are not looking to hire liabilities. They're looking to hire
• 35:41
  S24: problem solvers. Whether you're a young person just starting out,
• 35:45
  S24: leveraging skills that you have learned, whether it's in college
• 35:48
  S24: or trade schools or things that you've garnered in life,
• 35:50
  S24: especially people who are in their 40s or 50s and 60s.
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  S24: You've got a lifetime of experiences. Your number one job
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  S24: as you walk into that building is to say, here's
• 36:00
  S24: what I can do for you. I can solve problems.
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  S24: I can lessen your workload. I can help this business, this,
• 36:06
  S24: this organization, expand into new opportunities, leverage my skills, my talents,
• 36:12
  S24: my God given abilities, my years of experience. The older
• 36:15
  S24: you are, you have more experience. You have more ability
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  S24: to problem solve. Let those people understand what you can
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  S24: do to help them grow and solve problems and meet
• 36:25
  S24: their customers needs.
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  S6: You know what hit me, Robert? This is even. Let's
• 36:29
  S6: just take something fun. All right? Are you ready for fun? One. Ready?
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  S6: A greeter at Walmart. No joking. If you go in
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  S6: and say you're retired, but you'd love to be a
• 36:38
  S6: greeter at Walmart, and you go tell the boss. Look,
• 36:42
  S6: there's people coming in. Some of them are down, some
• 36:44
  S6: are discouraged, some of them are ticked. By the time
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  S6: I'm done greeting them, I'm going to have negative emotions
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  S6: moderated and I'm going to have expectations high. That's what
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  S6: I'm going to do for you. That ain't a bad pitch,
• 36:56
  S6: is it? just at basic level?
• 36:58
  S24: It's a great pitch. Who wouldn't want somebody standing at
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  S24: the front of their business welcoming every single person coming in,
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  S24: helping them have a better day. The world needs excited,
• 37:09
  S24: encouraging people every place. I mean, this is one of
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  S24: the reasons why I love listening to your program. You
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  S24: guys do this every single day. You fill people with
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  S24: hope and faith and joy as we attack our day.
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  S24: And whether you're the greeter at a Walmart or whether
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  S24: you're an entry line employee at IBM or working for
• 37:26
  S24: General Motors, my dad, Baptist minister, always taught me. He said, Bobby,
• 37:30
  S24: no matter what job you have, that is a valuable job.
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  S24: Do it to the best of your ability. Give the
• 37:35
  S24: glory and honor to God. God's going to expand your territory.
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  S24: He'll open up doors of opportunity for you.
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  S7: Robert, in addition to the skills that someone who has
• 37:44
  S7: maybe been in the workforce for a lot of years
• 37:46
  S7: but is needing to pivot due to downsizing, layoffs, what
• 37:49
  S7: are some of the practical, like, I guess, technical skills
• 37:53
  S7: that you want to shore up on to make sure
• 37:55
  S7: that you're ready for that next opportunity.
• 37:57
  S24: Well, technology today is really big, so whether you're young
• 38:01
  S24: or old, being able to navigate some of the technologies
• 38:05
  S24: that companies and organizations are using, everything from your Microsoft
• 38:09
  S24: products like Word and Excel. I encourage people to go
• 38:12
  S24: to their local community college. A lot of times there's
• 38:14
  S24: adult education courses where for free, they will be teaching
• 38:18
  S24: you how to use these new technologies, communication technologies like Slack.
• 38:23
  S24: So it's important for us to constantly be learning, constantly developing.
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  S24: I love the the online resources like Udemy and edX.
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  S24: You can get all sorts of free courses there where
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  S24: you're just brushing up on your technical skills. You can
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  S24: put this on your resume. You can say, look, I've
• 38:39
  S24: been certified with this and I've taken this certification. It's
• 38:42
  S24: showing that you're taking a proactive stance, gaining new skills
• 38:46
  S24: that you're going to be able to bring into that
• 38:48
  S24: business to help that business serve their customers. And like
• 38:51
  S24: you said, Karl, very important, Solve their problems.
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  S6: Yeah. Robert Dickey, our guest. We have a link for
• 38:57
  S6: you here in a moment. I am so fired up
• 38:59
  S6: about this. And I'll tell you, as a pastor, I
• 39:01
  S6: get into this lane often where people feel like they
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  S6: can't find something. What what I want to go back
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  S6: to is you hit the network thing and just taking
• 39:14
  S6: that step of faith, I'm blown away as a pastor,
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  S6: how many people, when they take that step of faith,
• 39:21
  S6: that phone call made, that contacts list, reached out to saying,
• 39:26
  S6: could you help me? People do want to help Robert.
• 39:30
  S6: And for there's probably thousands listening right now that are
• 39:34
  S6: just hanging on every word because they're right at that threshold.
• 39:39
  S6: How do we do that?
• 39:40
  S24: Here's something I want everyone that is listening to understand
• 39:43
  S24: so many people privately. When you when you ask them,
• 39:47
  S24: there is an element in the private moments where they
• 39:50
  S24: will say, there's almost like this element of shame. Like
• 39:53
  S24: they've done something wrong. Like they're not valued. Like they're
• 39:56
  S24: scared to tell people. And I don't quite understand it,
• 39:59
  S24: but I guess I can. It's this shame. Remove the
• 40:02
  S24: element of shame. There's nothing. This happens to everybody. You're
• 40:06
  S24: going to go through multiple careers. I tell this to
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  S24: young people, be prepared. You're going to have anywhere from
• 40:12
  S24: 8 to 10 different careers in your lifetime. There's going
• 40:15
  S24: to be times where you're with a company that shuts
• 40:17
  S24: down or is downsizing. It has nothing to do with you.
• 40:20
  S24: It has to do with the economy. When those moments come,
• 40:24
  S24: don't walk in shame, but walk in faith and in
• 40:28
  S24: joy and excited anticipation about what your God, what your
• 40:33
  S24: father is going to do for you. He has the
• 40:36
  S24: sheep and cattle on a thousand hills. He's got opportunity everywhere,
• 40:39
  S24: so he wants you to be walking in faith. Taking
• 40:43
  S24: proactive steps. Notify your network. Don't notify your network with
• 40:47
  S24: a little bit of a downtrodden, sullen, you know, a
• 40:50
  S24: little bit of shame. Rather, you're excited about the new
• 40:53
  S24: opportunities that God has in store for you. So walk
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  S24: with that excitement. That's one of the things that it's
• 40:58
  S24: really important for people. Have excitement about your skill sets.
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  S24: Another thing that I would tell people to do ask
• 41:05
  S24: people around you. Take stock. When you think of me,
• 41:09
  S24: what are some of my key qualities and skill sets
• 41:11
  S24: that you see in me? There's a lot of times
• 41:13
  S24: that we don't see the things in ourselves that other
• 41:16
  S24: people see. So take analysis and have other people speak
• 41:20
  S24: those words of affirmation into you. Man. Carl, I see this.
• 41:23
  S24: You're a person of great faith, Carl. You're an amazing communicator.
• 41:27
  S24: People around you will notify you of these key assets
• 41:30
  S24: that you have. You're like, oh, you know what? I
• 41:32
  S24: didn't even realize that. Now you know that when you're
• 41:34
  S24: walking in, you're putting that on your resume and you're
• 41:37
  S24: talking not just what you think, but what other people
• 41:40
  S24: in your life have noticed are your strengths, your God
• 41:43
  S24: given abilities that you're leveraging over all these years. Make
• 41:46
  S24: sure you leverage that when your interview and the person
• 41:50
  S24: who's interviewing you, they want to know that you're excited
• 41:53
  S24: about the opportunity, that you're excited about that company, about
• 41:56
  S24: that role, and that you can't wait to get started.
• 41:58
  S24: Excitement sells. You have to be a person that's fully excited.
• 42:02
  S24: You know why we as Christians can be excited because
• 42:05
  S24: we know God's got our back. He's walking with us.
• 42:08
  S24: Walk with excited anticipation about what your God is going
• 42:12
  S24: to do for you.
• 42:14
  S7: Robert Dickey, our guest. I know, I'm excited.
• 42:17
  S6: This is good though.
• 42:18
  S7: I'm excited for the opportunities. For those of you listening,
• 42:21
  S7: as so many of you texted, that you are looking
• 42:23
  S7: for work and I want to point you to a
• 42:24
  S7: resource you can text work to (800) 555-7898, text work to (800) 555-7898.
• 42:34
  S7: Robert Dickey has written a couple of books on the
• 42:37
  S7: topic of work, but also what you're going to find
• 42:39
  S7: is a link to his website. And one of the most,
• 42:41
  S7: I think helpful things is for here is going to
• 42:43
  S7: be the resources page where you can find some of
• 42:46
  S7: those continuing education opportunities that he talked about. So that's
• 42:50
  S7: there as well. Just text work to 805 five, five, 78, 98.
• 42:56
  S1: The gospel changes everything.
• 42:58
  S7: Where else am I gonna find peace, joy, eternal life
• 43:02
  S7: not found in anyone else?
• 43:05
  S1: You're listening to Carl and crew.
• 43:07
  S6: This week we're tackling a really good question because what
• 43:12
  S6: are you looking at? That's one thing, right? Ali. It's like, yeah,
• 43:14
  S6: I'm looking at a YouTube clip. I'm I'm looking at
• 43:17
  S6: the birds outside. I'm looking at my kids. But the
• 43:20
  S6: real question we gotta ask ourselves is what are we
• 43:23
  S6: looking for? And there's no more urgency than what you're
• 43:27
  S6: looking for when you're staring. Pain in the face and
• 43:30
  S6: sometimes prolonged pain. You're looking for purpose in the pain.
• 43:35
  S6: And sometimes you wonder, God, what are you doing here?
• 43:39
  S6: What's going on? How can this be? Boy, have we
• 43:44
  S6: got some guests in here today. It sounds like a
• 43:46
  S6: Chicago law firm. We got Anne Graham Lotz and we
• 43:49
  S6: got Rachel Ruth Lutz. Right. How are we doing, young ladies?
• 43:53
  S25: We're great. Thank you girl. Well.
• 43:55
  S6: It's so good to have you both with us here.
• 43:57
  S6: I know you've teamed up on this awesome book. And
• 44:00
  S6: by the way, the story of Joseph, my favorite biblical
• 44:03
  S6: character is King Josiah. But my bride's favorite biblical character
• 44:07
  S6: is Joseph. I'm going to go to you, Rachel. Ruth.
• 44:10
  S6: Why is he so relatable? The story of Joseph. And
• 44:12
  S6: give us a quick overview of his story.
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  S26: Joseph is just a remarkable story because he was just
• 44:20
  S26: a 17 year old kid, came from a family. There
• 44:23
  S26: were 12 brothers, his dad favored him, and everything was
• 44:27
  S26: going great in his life. And then all of a sudden,
• 44:30
  S26: his life turns upside down because his brothers became so
• 44:33
  S26: jealous of him because of his dad's favor over him.
• 44:35
  S26: And just his life changed in a nanosecond. He was
• 44:38
  S26: going to run an errand for his dad to check
• 44:40
  S26: on his brothers, and then his brothers seized him, threw
• 44:42
  S26: him in a pit, sold him into slavery, and they
• 44:46
  S26: never came for him. And so Joseph's life turned upside
• 44:49
  S26: down in tremendous pain. To be ripped from your family,
• 44:51
  S26: ripped from your home, rip from your country. And and
• 44:55
  S26: yet when he got there, he didn't turn bitter. I mean,
• 44:58
  S26: it was awful because he's a slave now and living
• 45:01
  S26: in a hard situation. But then we get to follow
• 45:04
  S26: his story and it's just amazing. When he was hit
• 45:07
  S26: with the worst of circumstances, how he relied on his
• 45:10
  S26: faith in God.
• 45:11
  S7: Anne Graham Lotz and Rachel Ruth Lotz Wright have co-authored
• 45:15
  S7: this book, God Won't Leave You There, Joseph's Story. Want
• 45:19
  S7: to go to you. And you've taken this book, you
• 45:21
  S7: and your daughter, and you've organized it into a couple
• 45:24
  S7: of sections. God is with you. God is guiding you.
• 45:27
  S7: God is bringing you through. Sometimes we get stuck somewhere
• 45:31
  S7: in that middle. We know that God is with us.
• 45:33
  S7: But when that pain kind of feels unrelenting and it
• 45:37
  S7: goes on and on, we can start to lose hope.
• 45:39
  S7: Speak to that.
• 45:41
  S25: You know, I think that's right. Ali and I, when
• 45:43
  S25: you asked the question, you know, what are you looking for?
• 45:46
  S25: And I think when we go through pain and suffering,
• 45:48
  S25: we want to get out of it. And yet, like Joseph,
• 45:51
  S25: he was in prison and enslaved in Potiphar's house for
• 45:55
  S25: 14 years. And with no word from his family, you know,
• 45:59
  S25: living in a strange land, strange culture, strange food, strange everything.
• 46:03
  S25: But rather than looking for escape and and, you know,
• 46:08
  S25: pushing back against his captors and screaming and yelling, he
• 46:11
  S25: just seemed to settle in and accept what God had
• 46:15
  S25: for him. And, and I think one one reason he
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  S25: was able to do that is that when he was young,
• 46:20
  S25: back at his home, God had given him dreams, which
• 46:23
  S25: in that day would be like God's Word to him.
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  S25: Promises that one day he would be a leader, including
• 46:28
  S25: a leader over his family. And I believe during those
• 46:31
  S25: times he clung to God's Word, knowing that everywhere God
• 46:35
  S25: put him. And so I think for us, when we're
• 46:37
  S25: looking for something, when we're suffering, I think we need
• 46:41
  S25: to ask not God. Why me? Because suffering comes to everybody.
• 46:45
  S25: You know, it's it's common in life. But but what
• 46:48
  S25: is your purpose in it? What can I do for you?
• 46:50
  S25: What do you have for me in this? Because what
• 46:53
  S25: God had for Joseph in that suffering, he he taught
• 46:56
  S25: him in Potiphar's house, the language he taught him management.
• 46:59
  S25: He taught him how to run fields in agriculture, in prison.
• 47:01
  S25: He taught him the government because it was Pharaoh's prison.
• 47:04
  S25: He learned about the court things that the way Pharaoh operated.
• 47:07
  S25: And he was ready when God called him out. And
• 47:10
  S25: I think that's that's what we need to look for.
• 47:12
  S25: We want to look for what God has for us
• 47:14
  S25: in this, that we don't waste those middle years.
• 47:17
  S6: Uh, I love that. That's great perspective. Anne Graham Lotz,
• 47:20
  S6: our guest, along with Rachel Ruth Lotz, right. They've co-authored
• 47:23
  S6: this book, God Won't Leave you there, Rachel. Ruth, your
• 47:28
  S6: mom said something dynamite there, and that's a huge insight.
• 47:32
  S6: He hung on to these dreams, these promises I, I.
• 47:39
  S6: This is a big deal, isn't it? We've got to
• 47:41
  S6: get anchored in truth. Otherwise, we're flying by the seat
• 47:44
  S6: of our pants. Through trial and betrayal. Some of the
• 47:48
  S6: worst pain ever.
• 47:50
  S26: It is. And I tell you, betrayal. You could list
• 47:54
  S26: a whole bunch of horrible trials that we've all gone through. And.
• 47:58
  S26: And I know even in my own life. I had
• 48:00
  S26: two rare heart attacks four years ago called Scad. And
• 48:04
  S26: my arteries shredded in my heart. And what got me through,
• 48:08
  S26: because it was three years of just a lot of
• 48:10
  S26: heart pain going to the E.R. a bunch. And, and
• 48:13
  S26: what got me through was God's word. I couldn't have
• 48:15
  S26: made it without God's word. And shortly after those heart attacks,
• 48:18
  S26: God gave me a promise in the Bible that said,
• 48:21
  S26: you will not go that way again. And I knew
• 48:24
  S26: God was saying, you're not going to have another Scad.
• 48:27
  S26: But then I had to trust him. I had to
• 48:29
  S26: rely on him. I had to believe God's Word. And
• 48:31
  S26: sure enough, I haven't had another one. But, um, but
• 48:34
  S26: it was just a journey of trust and, and so
• 48:37
  S26: when we are going through trials and pain and difficulties,
• 48:40
  S26: health issues, problems in finances, or with kids, we have
• 48:43
  S26: to turn to God's Word, not just, oh, I hope
• 48:45
  S26: I can get through this. We've got to go to
• 48:47
  S26: God's Word and hear what God of the universe has
• 48:50
  S26: to say to us and encourage us and walk us through,
• 48:53
  S26: because he's a practical God, a personal God, and he
• 48:56
  S26: wants to speak to us beautiful.
• 48:58
  S7: And I and I know you have been no stranger
• 49:01
  S7: to suffering as well. How has this Joseph's story touched
• 49:05
  S7: you personally in those hard places of your journey?
• 49:09
  S25: You know, I think I studied Joseph years ago. I've
• 49:12
  S25: taught it, but it wasn't until Rachel, Ruth and I
• 49:14
  S25: wrote this book that it really fleshed out for me.
• 49:17
  S25: She did an amazing job in seeing insights and reading
• 49:21
  S25: between the lines and giving us. So when you read it,
• 49:24
  S25: you can feel it, taste it, hear it, smell it,
• 49:27
  S25: you know, you just enter right into a story. And
• 49:30
  S25: the thing that I found, what she just said that
• 49:32
  S25: you rely on God's Word. I know when I found
• 49:34
  S25: my husband. I've been married 49 years, and I found
• 49:37
  S25: him unresponsive in our pool and got him on life support.
• 49:41
  S25: But three days later, we released him and he went
• 49:43
  S25: on to glory. And God gave me a promise then.
• 49:46
  S25: And that was from Philippians chapter one, when it says,
• 49:48
  S25: for me to live is Christ and to die is gain.
• 49:50
  S25: So I knew my husband was in a better place.
• 49:52
  S25: He had gained. But then the next verse says, but
• 49:54
  S25: if I go on in this life, and I'm not
• 49:56
  S25: quoting it exactly right, but but if I go on,
• 49:58
  S25: then it's because God has more fruitful labor for me.
• 50:01
  S25: And so it gave me a sense of purpose after
• 50:03
  S25: my husband's homegoing that God had worked for me to do,
• 50:07
  S25: I had not finished. My husband had finished his work. Um, but,
• 50:11
  S25: but I hadn't finished yet. So it just gave me
• 50:13
  S25: and still does gives me something to live for every day.
• 50:16
  S25: And so I think when you're going back to your question, what,
• 50:20
  S25: what are you looking for? I'm looking for God's promise.
• 50:23
  S25: I'm looking for God's purpose. I'm looking to fulfill the
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  S25: potential that God has for me. When I see him,
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  S25: I want him to say, Anne, well done. You've done
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  S25: what I called you to do. You can enter into
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  S25: the joy of your Lord and. And I want to
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  S25: finish what he has for me. So. So sometimes life
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  S25: throws you a curve ball. Peter says, you know that
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  S25: God gives us suffering as a platform so that other
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  S25: people see Jesus revealed in us. So suffering, persecution, hardship,
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  S25: tragedy can be a platform. Other people look at us
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  S25: when we're going through those things. And what what I
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  S25: want them to see in my life is I want
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  S25: them to see Jesus in me.
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  S6: You know, I gotta tell you guys something. There is
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  S6: a common thread here and and you've lived long enough.
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  S6: So have you. Rachel. Ruth. Um, I certainly have. Ali has.
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  S6: We remember the people. You guys remember the people that
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  S6: are like these rock solid saints. They maybe aren't big platform,
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  S6: but they're like rock solid in the common thread in
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  S6: all those. I don't care if they're men, women. I'm
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  S6: talking season. They walk with Jesus for years. The common
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  S6: thread in those rock solid saints is they are holding
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  S6: on to the promises of God. There in the word.
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  S6: The words in them. When we get back, I want
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  S6: us to linger on that point a little bit because
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  S6: we suffer from this illiteracy. Could it be that the
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  S6: story of Joseph is something that could kick start your passion,
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  S6: to hold on to God's promises and truth? Hang on.
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  S6: More with Anne Graham Lotz and Rachel Ruth Lotz right
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  S6: straight ahead.
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  S1: You're listening to Carl and Crew on Moody Radio.
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  S6: The name of the book, God Won't Leave You There.
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  S6: The authors, Ian Graham Lotz, Rachel Ruth Lotz, right with
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  S6: us right now. Co-authors of this Mom and daughter. Oh, guys,
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  S6: I'm telling you, we got to camp on this one.
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  S6: There is a common thread between all these rich saints,
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  S6: popular or not, and usually not, who just solidly walked
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  S6: with the Savior. And it's there open in the word.
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  S6: The word's getting into them and they're getting anchored on
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  S6: these promises. Rachel. Ruth, pour out your heart on that
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  S6: one for a second.
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  S26: I couldn't live without God's Word. And I think that's
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  S26: what all these people you're talking about, it's the same
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  S26: thing because life is hard, and we have a lot
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  S26: of hard things coming at us. And and the only
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  S26: thing that I know to do is to cling to
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  S26: God's word. And, and, and I think the Bible talks
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  S26: about holding fast and it's like a vine on a wall,
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  S26: you know, and you try and rip a vine off.
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  S26: You can't just hold it so tight. And that's what
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  S26: holding fast to the Lord is. And, and I think
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  S26: the more you study the Bible, the more you crave it.
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  S26: You just can't get enough. And you want to hear
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  S26: from God. You want to know what's on his heart.
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  S26: You want to know what the next step is. And
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  S26: you know, any decisions you're making or anything you're facing.
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  S26: And I was just reading in my Bible this morning
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  S26: and just saw little things that I had claimed as
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  S26: promises for my girls and, and just seeing God fulfill
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  S26: some of those. I mean, it's just been so neat.
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  S26: He keeps his word. And so if you're going through
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  S26: difficulties or you're trying to make a decision, go to
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  S26: God's Word and just say, Lord, speak to me, help me,
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  S26: guide me, and grow in your relationship with the Lord,
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  S26: because that's what's going to help you through the tough
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  S26: times in life. And it's what gives us that solid foundation.
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  S26: And anything else is you're just going to crumble and
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  S26: it's not going to be enough.
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  S7: And you know, in Joseph's story, it ultimately ends in
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  S7: blessing for him, for his entire nation. You know, we
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  S7: long so much for the hard parts of our story
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  S7: to kind of have that, that happy ending, what feels
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  S7: like that redemptive arc where, okay, now it all makes sense.
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  S7: But we know that the reality of life is on
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  S7: this side of, of heaven. We don't always get that
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  S7: sense of, okay, now I know why all of these
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  S7: things happen. What do, what do we do with that?
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  S7: How do we have right size expectations where we understand
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  S7: that we serve a God who's big enough to redeem
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  S7: any story in any way that he sees fit, but
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  S7: it won't always look exactly how we would like it to.
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  S25: I think that's right. And if we're looking for the
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  S25: answers now, when we're in the middle of it, then
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  S25: we may be frustrated, you know, because I think sometimes
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  S25: the answers aren't revealed until a long time. I'll give
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  S25: you an example from the Old Testament when Moses asked
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  S25: to see God's glory. God put him in a hard place.
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  S25: He put him in the cleft of the rock, put
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  S25: his hand over him, and then he removed his hand.
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  S25: But he passed by. He said, Moses, you can't see
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  S25: my face. You just see my backside. And for me,
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  S25: when God puts me in a hard place and he's
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  S25: put me in some very hard places, and at the moment,
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  S25: you know, he removes his hand. I don't feel his presence.
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  S25: And so just going on what Rachel Ruth said, I
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  S25: don't live my life by my feelings. I live it
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  S25: by faith in God's Word. And when I look back
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  S25: on the situation, like when I found my husband, I
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  S25: can see God's faithfulness, his goodness, his kindness, his mercy,
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  S25: the way he brought people to help me, the way
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  S25: he calmed my heart, the way he gave me peace.
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  S25: The way he gave me that sense of purpose. So.
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  S25: So sometimes we see in retrospect what God has done
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  S25: for us. We don't see it at the moment. But
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  S25: but I'll tell you, Ali, that if our suffering, persecution, betrayal,
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  S25: whatever it is that we're going through this hardship, if
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  S25: it lasts our lifetime, then God's going to bring us
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  S25: through at the end when he when we step into
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  S25: eternity and we step right into the place that's been
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  S25: prepared for us in glory.
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  S6: Okay. I want you to both comment on this, and
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  S6: I want you to go first. Here's my thought. I
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  S6: don't know that there's any pain that is worse than betrayal,
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  S6: because betrayal involves close relationships. And in an instant, you
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  S6: got a knife hanging out of your back. From who?
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  S6: From an earthly perspective, you trusted this person or persons
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  S6: more than anyone else. That's the beauty of Joseph's story,
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  S6: isn't it?
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  S25: An you know it is. And, and I think although
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  S25: it doesn't give us that exact phrase in Scripture, but
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  S25: it's obvious that he forgave his betrayers. And I know
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  S25: my husband and I were, in essence, thrown out of
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  S25: a church where we'd been for 15 years. Um, he
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  S25: was head of the deacons and men's fellowship and all that,
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  S25: and we were removed. And, and that was a betrayal
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  S25: that hurt very deeply because you, you feel like you
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  S25: should feel safe in a church. You know, those are
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  S25: people that you trust that you know, that you've taught,
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  S25: that you've worked with. And that kind of betrayal goes
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  S25: the wound is deep. But, but we had to learn
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  S25: to forgive those who betrayed us, just like Joseph obviously did,
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  S25: because in the end, the story is beautiful. The way
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  S25: it transpires. It almost seems like Joseph's playing games when
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  S25: he has his brothers, when they show up and he
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  S25: has them go through this, you know, back and forth
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  S25: to Canaan. But what he was doing was bringing them
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  S25: to a point where they would recognize the awfulness of
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  S25: their betrayal, the heinousness of their sin and their guilt, and,
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  S25: and they would be aware of it so that they
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  S25: could confess it and repent. And when he brought them
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  S25: to that point, then he revealed himself to them. And
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  S25: there was an incredible reconciliation with his brothers and his father,
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  S25: reunion with his father. So, so forgiveness. You and I
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  S25: can forgive on our own because and the reason we
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  S25: do it is not because the person who betrayed us
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  S25: is worth it, you know, deserves it. But but we
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  S25: forgive because God in Christ has forgiven us. So it's
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  S25: an act of worship to forgive that person. But reconciliation,
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  S25: Carl takes two people. So the other person has to
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  S25: be willing to confess and repent and set it right
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  S25: with us before we can reconcile.
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  S6: Rachel Ruth Quick thought on betrayal being kind of the
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  S6: epic metaphor for really God meeting us in pain.
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  S26: Yes. I think, you know, just it's remarkable what Joseph did.
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  S26: I mean, when those brothers walked in after all those
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  S26: years wanting, you know, food because there was a famine
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  S26: in Israel and they show up. I think it's so
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  S26: unbelievable that Joseph didn't kill him or throw him into prison.
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  S26: I mean, it just. You would just want to react.
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  S26: I mean, here's the people that have just turned your
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  S26: life upside down. And he missed out on his family
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  S26: and everything because of them. And the betrayal would have
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  S26: been so deep. It's absolutely supernatural that he could sit
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  S26: there and forgive them. And then he never held it
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  S26: against them all those years. Every time, you know, they
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  S26: would say something, he could have been like, oh, well, yeah,
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  S26: I missed out on that because y'all were back in.
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  S22: And he could have thrown it back.
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  S26: At him and the bitterness, everything. And he never did.
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  S26: And I think that's the lesson for us that when
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  S26: we've experienced betrayal, I did this year felt, um, just
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  S26: a dear friend. But anyhow, that I felt betrayed me and,
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  S26: and I have to forgive that person. And and we
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  S26: have to just forgive them almost daily. Every time it
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  S26: comes up, you just let it go and and know
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  S26: that God's got a plan and all that. But the
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  S26: most important thing is we can't let bitterness enter into
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  S26: our hearts. And I think we have to put up
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  S26: a shield. And that's and that's Jesus. That's the blood
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  S26: of Jesus over us. And and forgive and forgive and forgive.
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  S7: The book is called God Won't Leave You There Joseph's
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  S7: Story by Anne Graham Lotz and Rachel Ruth Lotz. Right.
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  S1: Your shot of hope to get you through the day.
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  S8: You are so, so loved. God does not want you
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  S8: to stay in your past. And I want you to
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  S8: know and believe that today.
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  S1: You're listening to Carl and Crew. What a promise.
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  S6: What a vision. All you got to do is look
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  S6: at John 15 and you see some of the very
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  S6: final words of Jesus as he's making his way to
• 1:00:07
  S6: be the ultimate sacrifice for our sins. And he tells
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  S6: his disciples, look, guys, it's to my father's glory that
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  S6: you bear much fruit. And there's a lot of ways
• 1:00:18
  S6: to look at that fruit, but it's a joy completed
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  S6: according to Jesus himself in John 15, that we would
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  S6: have this abiding relationship, close connection with with Christ our Savior.
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  S6: And then the fruit of that, all you got to
• 1:00:32
  S6: do is go to Galatians five and you see love
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  S6: and joy and multiple other attributes of those that have
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  S6: this abiding relationship with Christ. We got a man with
• 1:00:42
  S6: us right now that knows and wants for you to
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  S6: experience this in a big way. Chip. Joy. I mean,
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  S6: come on, talk about an attribute of being filled with
• 1:00:53
  S6: the power of God. That's got to be one of
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  S6: the hallmarks, right?
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  S27: Yeah. I think after love, I mean, all these are
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  S27: an expression of the spirit working inside of our heart
• 1:01:02
  S27: as we're connected to Jesus by the power of the
• 1:01:04
  S27: Holy Spirit. But I love C.S. Lewis quote that joy
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  S27: is the serious business of heaven. It's really a byproduct
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  S27: of that abiding that gives us incredible strength in the
• 1:01:16
  S27: midst of very challenging times.
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  S7: Chip Ingram. Our guest right now, pastor, author, teacher for
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  S7: more than three decades, you know the title of this book,
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  S7: I choose Joy. Many people would get behind that. I
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  S7: spend some time on social media, and I often see
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  S7: language around things like choosing joy, choosing happiness, choosing to
• 1:01:36
  S7: see your circumstances with a certain set of eyes. And
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  S7: it's not all biblical. This is something I think most
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  S7: people would embrace, even if they don't know what the
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  S7: route is. But what do we miss in that messaging
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  S7: of simply choosing to be joyful, or choosing to be
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  S7: happy in spite of sometimes what we're going through?
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  S27: Well, I think the focus often there is that we
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  S27: have this power and we can choose this and we
• 1:01:59
  S27: can choose that. And I think that part of the
• 1:02:01
  S27: choosing is important. We have a decision. But the fact
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  S27: of the matter is, is that a supernatural, abiding presence
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  S27: of Jesus in us. The Apostle Paul is literally waiting
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  S27: possible execution. And as you study Philippians chapter one, he
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  S27: teaches us how to have God's perspective and to be
• 1:02:22
  S27: connected in the midst of the worst of circumstances. And
• 1:02:25
  S27: so it's something that God does. We participate, we choose. Uh,
• 1:02:29
  S27: we're not victims. But at the same time, that perspective
• 1:02:32
  S27: only comes when you see life circumstance and challenges through
• 1:02:37
  S27: the lens of an eternal perspective and what the spirit provides.
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  S6: Now, Chip Joy has some meat to it. It's got
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  S6: some substance that actually sets itself apart from happiness. Help
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  S6: us delineate between those two.
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  S27: Well, happiness by and large. And by the way, I
• 1:02:54
  S27: think it's a wonderful thing to be happy. Sure. But
• 1:02:57
  S27: even the word it's based on happenings, good happenings, you're happy,
• 1:03:01
  S27: bad happenings or circumstances, you're not very happy. Joy supersedes
• 1:03:06
  S27: that joy in the midst of the most challenging times
• 1:03:10
  S27: allows us. not necessarily always to be, oh, life is
• 1:03:14
  S27: wonderful and great and happy. But there's this sustaining presence
• 1:03:18
  S27: of God that gives you a perspective as you look
• 1:03:21
  S27: at Philippians one, which is the the whole book is
• 1:03:24
  S27: based on that. You know, Paul's focus is upward on
• 1:03:28
  S27: God and outward on people while his circumstances are. I mean,
• 1:03:32
  S27: he's in prison, he's chained. It's that perspective that produces
• 1:03:36
  S27: the byproduct of joy.
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  S7: Chip, was there something going on in your life that
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  S7: prompted you to explore the topic of joy?
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  S27: Yeah, it's, I guess, part embarrassing and part just real life.
• 1:03:48
  S27: The quick story is over a period of the last
• 1:03:51
  S27: 7 or 8 years, I had excruciating back problems, multiple surgeries,
• 1:03:56
  S27: hardware in my back, problems after that, laying on my
• 1:04:00
  S27: side during Covid for 21 days, could not get in
• 1:04:03
  S27: the hospital and being in pain all the time. Ice
• 1:04:06
  S27: packs everything you can imagine almost 24 over seven. And,
• 1:04:10
  S27: you know, it was a long journey and still have
• 1:04:13
  S27: considerable pain, but nothing like it used to be. And
• 1:04:16
  S27: my wife, one day I was doing one more rehab,
• 1:04:19
  S27: learning to walk again in the backyard and shuffling around.
• 1:04:23
  S27: And I sat down and she said, can I share something?
• 1:04:25
  S27: Just honestly? Oh yeah. Sure, honey. Go ahead. And she goes,
• 1:04:29
  S27: do you realize how negative you've become?
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  S6: Oh boy. That hurts.
• 1:04:33
  S27: And I said, what? She said, honey, I love you.
• 1:04:36
  S27: But I married a positive, upbeat, future oriented, filled with
• 1:04:40
  S27: kind of faith. And these years you've been through a lot.
• 1:04:44
  S27: I understand, but when you get up, you groan and
• 1:04:47
  S27: people ask a couple questions, and we're always talking about
• 1:04:50
  S27: your back. And, you know, there's this internal, you know,
• 1:04:54
  S27: publicly you're doing better. But around me, I see it
• 1:04:57
  S27: more than others. And I remember, of course, my first
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  S27: reaction because I'm so in tune with the Lord was no, no, no,
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  S27: no no.
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  S28: Oh, man.
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  S27: And as those words were coming out of my mouth,
• 1:05:09
  S27: it was like, oh, you're so right. And I literally
• 1:05:12
  S27: it was probably three months later, I was to speak
• 1:05:14
  S27: at the Billy Graham Conference Center, and I was going
• 1:05:17
  S27: to teach on Philippians one. And as I studied through that,
• 1:05:21
  S27: what I recognized was I needed to choose joy. And
• 1:05:25
  S27: this book is about going into training. This is not
• 1:05:28
  S27: thinking positive thoughts, declaring, you'll be joyful, not looking at reality.
• 1:05:33
  S27: This is a journey and a process and a practice.
• 1:05:36
  S27: And I went into training that came out of that
• 1:05:38
  S27: passage to learn how to look at life through God's purpose,
• 1:05:43
  S27: God's focus, my ultimate hope, and readjust expectations where Jesus
• 1:05:49
  S27: met me by the power of the Holy Spirit to
• 1:05:51
  S27: allow me, despite the circumstances, to really experience joy. That's powerful.
• 1:05:56
  S27: And that is what it grew out of. And so
• 1:05:59
  S27: a lot of the very practical sides of it are
• 1:06:01
  S27: things that I've been doing for a number of years now.
• 1:06:04
  S27: I still have a card right in the front of
• 1:06:06
  S27: my desk that has a passage about rejoicing always. And
• 1:06:11
  S27: then be thankful. Be positive. Choose. Don't complain. And then
• 1:06:16
  S27: I have these four questions that flow out of that
• 1:06:19
  S27: passage that have transformed my thinking and therefore my life.
• 1:06:23
  S6: You know, Chip, I think your wife and I went
• 1:06:25
  S6: to the Great Wife clinic together on how to have
• 1:06:29
  S6: tough questions for their husbands.
• 1:06:32
  S7: You mentioned those four questions. Can you give us a
• 1:06:34
  S7: quick rundown on what they are?
• 1:06:35
  S27: Sure. The first one is where's your focus? When our
• 1:06:38
  S27: focus is upward, you don't have to feel like it.
• 1:06:41
  S27: But you choose to worship and outward you. You care
• 1:06:43
  S27: and pray for other people versus your focus on yourself.
• 1:06:47
  S27: Things change when the question is, what's my purpose? What's
• 1:06:51
  S27: God's agenda in this challenging situation versus why me? This
• 1:06:55
  S27: isn't fair. I hate this. I can't believe God will
• 1:06:58
  S27: let this happen. And the third question is, where's my hope?
• 1:07:01
  S27: Is it in circumstances? Is it in this person? Is it.
• 1:07:04
  S27: you know, things are going to turn out right. Is
• 1:07:06
  S27: it that my marriage is going to completely get better?
• 1:07:08
  S27: Is it that, you know, until God gives me a
• 1:07:10
  S27: husband or a wife or until my finances, we play
• 1:07:13
  S27: a game where we put our hope in places. And
• 1:07:16
  S27: so when you ask, where's my hope? And you realize
• 1:07:19
  S27: the only anchor of your hope can be the person
• 1:07:21
  S27: of Christ and what he's promised. And then the last
• 1:07:23
  S27: question has probably the most helpful is, what are my
• 1:07:26
  S27: expectations toward the end of that passage in Philippians one,
• 1:07:30
  S27: he says, while he's awaiting execution, he says to these Philippians,
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  S27: it has been granted. The word is grace. It has
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  S27: been granted to you not only to believe, but to
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  S27: suffer for his sake. And sometimes we get disillusioned because
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  S27: we're in difficult times. We think, God, I obey you,
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  S27: I love you, I'm following you. We unconsciously think if
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  S27: we do X, Y, and Z that somehow God is
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  S27: obligated to make our life wonderful and no problems and healthy.
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  S27: And the fact of the matter in a fallen world,
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  S27: part of the gift. And this is hard for Americans
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  S27: to hear. Especially part of the gift of God is
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  S27: the gift to believe, to be connected, to be forgiven,
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  S27: to have His Spirit taken up residence in us. And
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  S27: we go through suffering with us. That process in a
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  S27: fallen world is actually one of the key elements that
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  S27: allow us to become more and more like Jesus. It
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  S27: creates a dependency that can't happen any other way. He
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  S27: allows it to happen. God isn't angry. He's not punishing people.
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  S27: But suffering is a part of the journey. And if
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  S27: you expect it to be great all the time because
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  S27: you've done X, Y, and Z, your expectations, you set
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  S27: yourself up to be very disillusioned with God, with life,
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  S27: and with other people.
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  S6: Yeah. And that's a performance metric rather than a proximity
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  S6: to Jesus metric, and it always fails us. On that note,
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  S6: I have this new conviction. Having been a pastor and
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  S6: a leader for a lot of years, and sometimes I
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  S6: look back and go, Carl, why didn't you learn this
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  S6: stuff sooner? But the Lord's been gracious to me, and
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  S6: I feel like the church has put before people a
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  S6: bit of a hamster wheel of performance, and they're all
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  S6: good things. So it's read your Bible and pray and
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  S6: and give and find your gifts and use them. And
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  S6: those are all great. But I feel like we've neglected
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  S6: those abiding disciplines of silence, solitude, aloneness with God. Uh,
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  S6: where we can cry out, search me, know me, try
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  S6: me in the darkness of the morning. And I've been
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  S6: doing this, for goodness sakes, probably six months now, really regularly.
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  S6: And I'm finding that that's the fuel for this fruit
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  S6: producing life. It's it's him. It's his presence. It's not
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  S6: even activity. Speak to that chip.
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  S27: Well, I would have to say that I agree with you. And, um,
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  S27: I think we have a transactional perspective. I'm going to
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  S27: do these things. So so that it's the so that
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  S27: that kills us. So that my life will be better.
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  S27: My work will be better, my kids will turn out right,
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  S27: my finances will go up, my marriage if I have one.
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  S27: And so that is what kills us, because God refuses
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  S27: to be a means to an end, and we don't
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  S27: have to wait till we get to heaven to be
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  S27: with him. The same spirit that raised Jesus from the
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  S27: dead dwells in us, and it's intimacy with him that
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  S27: sustains you. It's intimacy that brings joy. And it's not.
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  S27: I've read my two chapters. I've prayed through these three things. Okay, God,
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  S27: here we go. Now. Make my life work. Yeah. It's
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  S27: the byproduct, the blessings. Every good and perfect gift, in fact,
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  S27: comes from him. But when the gifts get more important
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  S27: than the giver, that's where we get in trouble. You know,
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  S27: I've done a lot of counseling in my many, many
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  S27: years as a pastor, and people come with all kind
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  S27: of problems and struggles, and I try to listen and
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  S27: lean in and ask questions and be very, very concerned.
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  S27: But I always get around to tell me a little
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  S27: bit about your own private worship. Tell me about your
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  S27: time Unhurriedly in God's Word and hearing from God and
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  S27: being connected to him. And how do you practice his
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  S27: presence throughout the day? And the correlation I've seen after
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  S27: these many decades, Carl, was this little time with God, really,
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  S27: really big problems. I mean, that's.
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  S6: A.
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  S27: Follower of Jesus, doesn't spend any time with Jesus. And
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  S27: as a result of that, they can't figure out why
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  S27: all the promises of Jesus they're not experiencing in their life.
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  S6: And joy is there.
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  S7: If you want more from our guest, Chip Ingram, he's
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  S7: a pastor, author, teacher, teaching pastor for living on the edge.
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  S7: Just text the word joy to 800 555 7898. Text
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  S7: joy to 800 555 7898. You'll get to his website.
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  S7: You can see where to get the book, how to
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  S7: get a free download text joy to 805 557898.