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PODCAST: Episode 937 - Patrick Brink (Volume) on Launching The Mojave Experience Festival · Ghost Cult Magazine Podcast

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  No, it's definitely something that's been a long time coming
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  and I hope this is a a long time series of festivals, you know,
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  for a long time. I think that community needs it.
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  I think people love the idea and the myth of the desert and they
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  want to come out and enjoy the bands that were a big part of it
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  and the new bands that you know, aren't inspired by it.
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  So it's just like the perfect timing, like, you know, the the
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  perfect storm, it's the perfect time for it.
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  What's up everybody? It's Kefi at ghostcultman.com.
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  I am super stoked to be joined finally in person, sort of by
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  Patrick Brake of Volume. Also the Booker of the Mojave
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  Experience, the founder and Booker and everything else.
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  Patrick, how the hell are you? Man, I'm doing great.
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  Just busy running around like a chicken without a head trying
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  to, you know, get this festival going.
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  But also I got a day job and trying to balance all that.
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  So, you know, like everyone else, busy.
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  I don't know if you ever this is a random reference.
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  I don't know if you ever saw the 80s movie Broadcast News with
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  Albert Brooks, and so this was shown to I.
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  Haven't. This was shown to us in
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  journalism school and like, you know, television used to be all
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  on Betamax. That's why like how Betamax let
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  like survive getting annihilated by VHS is the television and
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  movie industry use Betamax a lot.
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  So like the first scene of the movie?
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  Is about that. Yeah, there's a guy running down
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  a hallway. I'll use my little speaker as a
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  as an example, the guy running down a hallway with a tape and
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  he literally puts the tape in. And now it's 11:00 and it's time
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  for the news. And it's literally like by the
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  skin of your teeth and the seat of your pants.
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  So as a journalist and played in bands for a long time, you know,
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  I certainly understand the how hard it is to put on a festival
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  or any show actually. So, you know, First things
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  first, let's dial it back. Like obviously, you know, volume
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  kicks ass and you've been around a long time.
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  You're from the area, the high, high desert area.
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  And there is the desert scene with more loved and and
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  respected day by day. I think the Reddit just
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  discovered like Stoner rock and psychedelic rock and do metal
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  like in the last couple of years.
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  So a whole new generation of kids are coming on.
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  But like, this is something. Yeah.
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  I don't think anybody has really tried to do something this well
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  organized before in the area that I know of, other than the
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  old generator shows. Yeah, No, they haven't.
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  I know Desert Days did it one year out here and they were
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  trying to do, but logistically, I don't know, like, you know,
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  behind the scenes what? But they, it just didn't happen,
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  you know, I think they're trying to be too big too soon and it
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  just fell apart. But I have no idea.
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  But yeah, no, it's definitely something that's been a long
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  time coming. And I hope this is a a long time
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  series of festivals, you know, for a long time.
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  I think the community needs it. I think people love the idea and
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  the myth of the desert and they want to come out and enjoy the
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  bands that were a big part of it and the new bands that, you
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  know, aren't inspired by it. So it's just like the perfect
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  timing, like, you know, the the perfect storm, it's the perfect
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  time for it. Right on.
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  I love that. And I think about the European
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  festivals that came before us and I really see like the
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  fingerprints of like, in my heart, I feel like this could
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  take off like a desert fest or a road burn did.
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  Obviously, Rd. Burn changed over the years to
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  become a little more avant-garde and eclectic and desert fest
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  became like strictly like psychedelic rock, stone, a rock,
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  do metal. But like, this could be like the
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  American part of that. And I love that for us because
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  we don't have enough. We have the big, big butt rock
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  fests and there's some pretty good metal festivals and things
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  around, but nothing like this that really caters to this music
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  that people. Yeah.
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  Exactly, and and I have hopes of making it a more eclectic but
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  where they still tied to the desert?
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  Still tied to the desert rock scene, still tied to rock music.
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  But like when I set out to do this and what I liked about, I
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  thought about festivals that I like and I like, like the early
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  Coachella. It was it was eclectic, but it's
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  still stuck that rock, it wasn't, you know, this pop rock
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  music that, you know, Beyoncé and Justin Bieber wasn't none of
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  that stuff. It was it, it, it, it the
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  curation was really good. I think a festival like
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  Levitation that's really good. They'll put bands like Mastodon
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  next to the Black Angel, you know, and it works.
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  And I want something like that, maybe not as eclectic, but I
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  want to branch out. And I actually had a couple
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  bands I can't name right now because I'm trying to get them
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  for next year. But logistic wise, you know,
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  they're they couldn't make it happen.
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  That are on the fringes of the Stoner scene, but there's
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  there's in more of the the sight scene, but they wouldn't
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  necessarily you would think would be on a like a Stoner rock
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  ticket, but they fit just well. But so I want to get more of
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  that. I want I want the thing to grow
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  and hopefully it just gets bigger and people really get
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  into it. And it's a like, I think what we
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  have different, one of the main things is we have the history of
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  the desert and we have the vibe where a lot of these other where
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  they'll have a lot of cool bands on there.
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  But it's just like any other festival.
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  You go to a you go to a big building or you know what I
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  mean? It's it's, it could be that
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  festival could be put on anywhere.
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  This festival can only be put on in Joshua Tree.
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  That's amazing man. I'm so pumped.
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  By the way, I love the Black Angels, like one of the most
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  underrated bands of all time. So good, so good.
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  They play out here, they play out Happy and Harry's a lot.
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  Yeah, I missed them when they came through.
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  I don't think they quite came here to San Francisco, but they
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  came, they did a West Coast tour and I missed it and I was
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  kicking myself. There's just a times in lineup.
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  But yeah, man, this is an, you know, I love that it's
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  experience, right, Mojave experience because it just tells
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  you kind of like it paints a picture in your brain.
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  You know, every single thing about this, how you've handled.
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  I know you have a long history with your booking company, and
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  I'm sure that's how you made a lot of these ships.
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  You've played with these bands, you've toured with some of them.
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  And I think it's, I think you just wrapped up a tour not too
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  long ago with Nick and a few other bands.
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  Yeah, of course. The great Nick Oliveri.
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  And and Frank Meyer from the street walking cheetahs.
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  So, like, I'm really pumped for this.
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  I think this is great. I think it's very telling that,
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  you know, it's hard enough to put out a festival.
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  You didn't put your own band on this on the bill.
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  No, no one could have blamed you.
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  That all the time. Yeah, no one could have blamed
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  you, but I think it's just to have it run the first year
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  smooth. I'm sure it's going to take all
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  your focus. It is, it is.
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  And I, I, the goal was to make everybody have a great time from
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  the attendees to the bands, to the, to the volunteers, the
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  staff, all that. And I, I just felt like, you
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  know, I would be kind of taken away from some of that if I had
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  to focus on Volume 2. Right on I figure.
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  And of course day of show I was always in a band nerve wracked
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  the day of the show even if I had all my shit locked down
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  cold. So I can't imagine also running
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  a festival experience. I've put on some charity shows.
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  That's about it. I don't know about a whole
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  festival. It seems a lot, but it's a lot.
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  So, you know, we have the big, big names.
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  And I was so proud and excited to be a part of releasing this
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  lineup. But it was a great idea.
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  You had to have us help release the lineup a little bit at a
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  time. And obviously, like huge names.
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  To me, Earthless and Dead Meadow are iconic bands, as is John
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  Garcia and Acid King. I see Lori at all the shows here
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  in in San Francisco. I just.
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  I'm sure. I just bumped into her at
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  Witchcraft last week which was insane.
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  Yeah, the early moves played with them.
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  They early moves played with them were also on the bill I
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  got. I got to catch some of them.
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  They were fantastic and but like there's a the depth on this
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  lineup is crazy. Just between the two days, the
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  night, the party party and the night before.
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  I'm really excited. I haven't seen yawning man in a
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  long time. I love hippie death cult people
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  know ecstatic vision. I've seen a bunch of times
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  howling giant the freaks. I'm really excited about
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  barracho insomniac soft sun never seen.
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  So I mean Sean Wheeler and Mario.
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  I mean, like, there's so much. Oh yeah.
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  Well, that's what I tried to do. I wanted it not just to be like
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  interchangeable bands. I wanted it to be, you know
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  what? I put the bands together for the
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  most part. I've said this before in a
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  couple of interviews, like what we see here on this was pretty
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  close to my original list of what I wanted when I sat down
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  and started thinking about what bands would I want to see, You
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  know what I mean? And most of these bands I've
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  either seen or played with or, or, or whatever.
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  And, and there's only been a couple couple that I've been
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  wanting to see and I haven't. And the static vision is like
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  that. I'm definitely going to make
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  some time as I'm running around to check out their, I want to
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  check out the set. I want to see all the bands at
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  least a little bit. But I'm sure I'm going to be
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  running around putting out buyers.
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  But I got to see a static vision just watching them on videos
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  that they have up on YouTube and on their Instagram.
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  I mean, they go off they're, they're, they're, they put on a
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  show as far as I could see. Like how Rock'n'roll to be put
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  on. I mean, they just throw caution
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  to the wind and just go at it. It's great.
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  So I can't wait to see that alive.
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  Yeah, they're so good. I've seen him twice and every
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  time isn't it again a whole a whole vibe as the kids say?
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  My wife just real quick, my wife's like because I've showed
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  her some stuff and he's always plotting on things and so she's
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  like, well, what about insurance?
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  I was like, well, let's hope that he he'll be cool on this
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  one. So we'll see.
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  Never know what he's going to do.
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  That's true. That's true.
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  What I like, what I like to say when I I host events at the bar
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  is like our bond. Our bar is not bonded and
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  licensed for any physical injury you may incur in the in the
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  pursuit of fun. Please be responsible.
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  Good stuff, man. Good stuff.
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  Yeah. I'm just so pumped.
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  This thing looks so well put together and I'm just so hyped.
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  I do have to say. Like it's impossible to.
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  I noticed this immediately after the full lineup was revealed.
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  I was like, oh man, this is like 6° of Kayas here.
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  Like John does some Kaya stuff. I'm sure Nick has his whole
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  repertoire and and you know, like I was like, oh man, this is
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  like a the Mount Rushmore of desert rock, except for, you
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  know, one band that some of these guys have been.
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  Right, right. If, if I could make that happen,
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  that would happen. But that's never going to
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  happen. But.
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  Well, you never know, Joshua said.
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  Will send you a message. I'm hoping to see Queens when
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  they come up here on their new tour and send a message to Josh,
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  but you never know. I think.
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  I think everybody else would do it.
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  It's got to be like Josh and Brant probably have to.
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  Yeah. Fix their shit.
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  I've interviewed Brant when he went off.
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  So like, I already know. I know the whole, I know a lot.
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  So at least what the public knows.
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  So he's he's never shy about that shit.
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  But yeah, what it looks like. It's going to be a fun time.
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  And I have never been to Joshua Tree.
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  So like, tell me what to expect from the surroundings.
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  I know it's a bit of a, you know, a whole whole thing, Like,
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  you know, it lives in the minds of people as a destination
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  place, let alone to see a concert there.
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  Oh. If you're, I don't know when
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  you're coming out or how long you're staying after, but this
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  is what I tell everybody what I want.
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  That's why I named it the experiences.
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  Like I really encourage people to take a day or two to come
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  early or stay afterwards to really take it all in.
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  I mean, there's so many cool like places up in the National
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  Park, which is only like 15 minutes away.
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  You know, you got a jumbo rock, you got skull rock where the the
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  rocks look like skulls. It's really cool.
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  So for all the metal heads, you that's a place to get some
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  pictures, right, right. And so, but they there's like
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  just down the street from the festival, there's the famous
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  transmission art insulation. It's, it's got these, it's,
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  it's, it's basically looking to the, I wish I had a picture of
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  it, but it's got a hand and it's, it's got a face and it's,
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  it's, it's like sending transmissions to outer space to
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  different life forms and stuff like that.
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  And it's, I think those things are like 30 feet tall.
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  You know, those sculptures are sculptures.
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  And then right before it, you have these sculptures on the
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  side of the road that are all sorts of geometric designs.
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  And there's all sorts of stuff. There's cool, there's cool bars.
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  There's, you know, you got Pappy and Harry.
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  It's just great places. The best place to ever I've been
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  all over the United States and the best place I've ever had a
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  rib eye steak, you know, is the Rib Co and 29 lbs.
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  They, they, they have a fire like a fire smoker right out in
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  front of the place and they're cooking that stuff fresh every
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  day. It's just so good.
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  The Rib Co. I can't say enough good things.
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  I spent thousands of dollars there.
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  Right on. A good steak is worth thousands
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  of dollars to me. Yeah, for two years straight, I
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  ate there every Friday night and it's amazing.
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  Yeah, it's. You treat yourself, you deserve
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  it. You do a lot.
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  And I'm really thrilled to be, you know, partnered up with you.
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  Ghost Cult is thrilled to be, you know, lend a hand any way we
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  can. I'm definitely, yeah.
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  Yeah, I'm coming in Thursday. I already arranged with my buddy
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  Wayne Edwards of Ghost Cult and the Flying Fiddlesticks blog and
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  he's going to pick me up. We're going to ride around my
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  Airbnb's and Joshua trees so I have.
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  Actually, technically. Once I fly in I do have some
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  depending on when I get to my spot for check and I do have
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  some downtime for Thursday so maybe I'll I'll check out the
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  park a little bit myself and and get high.
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  Oh, you definitely have to, because yeah, you'd regret it if
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  you didn't check out the park. It's pretty nice.
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  Right on. I'm not.
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  Yeah. Like it's much more than just
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  coming for the for the event, although the event is going to
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  be off the chain and I am definitely going to check the
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  park out. I'm I got my walking shoes
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  ready. I'm going to stretch my old guy
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  bones and muscles. I'm at the age where I like I
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  hurt myself laying in bed. I hurt my shoulders.
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  Oh yeah, why? Why is this happening?
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  Right. I didn't take care of this
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  temple, man, but I'm going to do better in the future.
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  But yeah, man, obviously you said you can't talk about a
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  couple of bands you couldn't get hopefully for next year.
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  I like that you, when you were kind of pitching me one of the
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  best pitches ever. I get a lot of stuff pitched to
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  me. That's far what?
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  You like about it? I just thought you had it all
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  worked out like when you pitched me, you were like, this is what
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  it is. Year one, year 2, year three,
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  you know, possibilities, you know, didn't seem like for a
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  person that has an experienced booking company, it didn't seem
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  like far-flung to me, like you could land these.
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  You landed these bands and you had it all organized.
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  And a lot of people, whatever level it is, whatever we're
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  talking about in the music business, the number one thing
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  is don't bite off more than you can chew and plan your work and
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  work your plan. I know that sounds very cliche,
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  but it's really true. I say that all the time.
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  That's the only way to do it. You got to make a plan.
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  You can't just kind of go wing it and stuff.
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  You got to make a plan and then work it.
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  Yeah, I'm pretty sure there's a line on deliverance by corrosion
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  to conformity. There's like you'd never be in
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  trouble if you stick to your plan, right?
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  Like, right. I've been, I've been rocking
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  that since 94, that same philosophy so and probably
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  before that. So like it just seemed like you
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  had it all put together beautifully.
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  And that inspired me to want to connect with you and work on
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  this with you and be part of this.
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  So, you know, I'm, I'm really pumped.
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  And yeah, if there's anything else, like I said, I appreciate
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  you. If there's anything else
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  visitors to the area need to know about the festival or you
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  know what else is, you know, maybe around the area, food,
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  record stores, dispensaries, whatever they need, I'm pretty
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  sure is right there, right? Oh yeah, there's, there's some
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  cool record stores in Yucca Valley and in 29 Palms, White
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  white label vinyl. That's a really cool spot.
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  People come there all the time and get them, you know, really
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  cool things. They they curate what they bring
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  in, you know, very carefully. So they have a lot of, lot of
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  cool stuff from old Blues, jazz, you know, local, local bands to,
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  you know, to the classics, you know, that we all want to hear
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  Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, Stooges, you know, they have
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  everything, but they they picked the good stuff.
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  It's good quality. So they're cool and same with
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  the Hoodoo guru in Yucca Valley. So there's a lot if people want
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  more info about the local places to go and to see the shop and so
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  forth. If they go to the my website,
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  there's a link and it goes to this, this one guy, he makes a
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  festival, basically all the info and they can, I have a link to
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  it and it breaks down restaurants, bars, places of
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  interest and they can go hotels, all of that and they can go to
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  that. If they just go to
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  mojaveexperience.net, there'll be a link to that stuff.
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  So they can, you know, kind of check it out before they come
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  out and make a plan and work it right.
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  Right on. And so there's still tickets
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  available for Saturday. Did you what we talked offline.
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  I think there's also new tickets are going to get released for
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  Friday night, right? We just dropped 50 new tickets
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  for the Friday night. We made some room in the club to
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  accommodate more people and so because more people were hitting
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  us up, I was getting a lot of DM saying is there any way I could
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  get in Friday and this and that. So I talked to the owner and
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  they moved some things around, took some things out and we'll
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  have more more space available. So we released 50.
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  They're going pretty quick, so if they don't jump on it soon,
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  they might not get another chance.
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  And Saturday we still have some tickets, but they're moving
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  pretty good too. So I'm expecting it to sell out,
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  so I'll let everybody know. So, but if I were you, I'd buy
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  the tickets now and don't hope that you'll just drive there the
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  day of to get in. That's great.
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  I'm really happy for you. It's important to hit those
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  goals that first year. And again, like I said, I I love
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  that you had a plan the whole way about how to do this first
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  year so it has a chance to regenerate and have new life and
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  demand for next year. And you know, what a tremendous
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  opportunity this is for the bands to be part of this, you
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  know? So I'm pretty stoked.
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  And again, like, you know, you can't really do better than Dead
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  Meadow and Earthless for headliners.
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  They're going to put on such amazing shows.
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  I'm so pumped. I mean such a huge Earthless fan
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  I've seen so many times. They're such great musicians
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  that, I mean, they're just great.
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  So yeah, I was stoked when they said yes.
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  I wasn't, you know, when I hit up the agent, the agent thought
• 18:47
  the idea was pretty good, but we had to work out of a few things
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  and stuff, so. But it worked out so.
• 18:53
  Right on. Amazing, amazing stuff.
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  Yeah, man. Patrick, if there's anything
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  else you want to plug or you know, if you got anything coming
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  up also with volume you want to talk about, let me know.
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  But again, we're just so happy to support this and I can't wait
• 19:05
  to get out there. Yeah, I can't.
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  I can't wait to see you hang out and see everybody at the at the
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  festival. But seriously, if you're even
• 19:15
  thinking about going, I would get your tickets now.
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  And, and, and another thing is I've heard from a few people,
• 19:24
  you, you, you go to the website and find those different places
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  to say, we have a, a deal with one of the hotels in 29 Palms,
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  but it's getting scarce, the Airbnb, the campsites and so
• 19:38
  forth like that. So check that out.
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  And if they have any questions they can DM me through the
• 19:44
  website andthatsmojaveexperience.net.
• 19:47
  Right on. We're going to link everything
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  in the description, all the things, OK, I got my Airbnb
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  literally before Christmas because I was like, I'm going,
• 19:55
  this is that. What happened?
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  That was smart for sure. Yeah, I don't always do that,
• 19:59
  but. In this case, I did.
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  I planned that correctly. So good for me.
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  I'm so stoked to meet you. I can't wait to meet you in
• 20:06
  person and just shake your hand and thank you for this.
• 20:08
  Thanks for putting this together.
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  I can't wait for the best. And we're going to have a blast,
• 20:12
  Wayne and I and you know, stop by the ghost cult.
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  I'm sure there's going to be a lot of merch and vendors and
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  stuff. We we didn't talk about the stop
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  by ghost cult. We'll have a table.
• 20:20
  Get yourself some free ghost cult swag.
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  And, you know, if you don't love it, give it away to someone who
• 20:26
  might. Patrick, thanks so much, man.
• 20:30
  We're looking forward to Mojave Experience.
• 20:31
  I'll see you next week, OK? Thanks for having me.