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Feminist Movie Friday: A Quiet Place · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and all coop of stuff.
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  Speaker 1: I never told your production of iHeartRadio.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome. If you're listening on a Friday to a feminist movie,
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  Speaker 2: Friday to whatever day you're listening, this is one of
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  Speaker 2: those that very close in line when it comes to
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  Speaker 2: being a feminist movie. I would say, do you think
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  Speaker 2: this does this passpectel? I think so spechtl test because
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  Speaker 2: there's only four characters for Slash five t Slash six
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  Speaker 2: and a half, and two of those are women, so
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  Speaker 2: that you know the conversation is like okay, But I
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  Speaker 2: think the second one really does hold to like a
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  Speaker 2: little more feminist empowerment. This is a setup for it.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know about the third one. Teasing, but before
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  Speaker 2: we start, spoiler alert because I think we're still in
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  Speaker 2: that range. Are we still in that range that we
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  Speaker 2: had to do spoiler alert? Yeah, so spoiler alert if
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  Speaker 2: you've not watched this movie. As well as content warning
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  Speaker 2: of death, horror, aliens, childbirth. Yeah, yeah, some gruesome scenes
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  Speaker 2: and as per usual, we wanted to take some time
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  Speaker 2: to talk about a film we enjoyed and now has
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  Speaker 2: gotten two additions to the Now series, including the newly
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  Speaker 2: released A Quiet Place Day one, So yes, obviously we're
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  Speaker 2: talking about A Quiet Place. Yes, point Blake again spoilers
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  Speaker 2: since it is within that ten year mark. But if
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  Speaker 2: you're a fan of these series or movies like these,
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  Speaker 2: I have a feeling you've already seen this. So not
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  Speaker 2: it's on Paramount Plus not a sponsor at this time.
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  Speaker 2: So the twenty eighteen movie A Quiet Place was a
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  Speaker 2: huge hit, and it was John Christis. He's a first
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  Speaker 2: directorial debut. Annie and I had a hilarious exchange where
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  Speaker 2: we mixed up to movies about John Krasinsky and we're like, what, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we cigared it out. But with that, the movie made
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  Speaker 2: headlines for several reasons, and one including the fact that
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  Speaker 2: they cast an actual deaf actress as one of the
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  Speaker 2: main characters, Melicent Simmons, and Simmons was celebrated for her
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  Speaker 2: incredible acting as well as leadership and providing help and
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  Speaker 2: information to Krasinski and the rest of the team.
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  Speaker 1: Right here's a quote from slashfilm dot com. A Quiet
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  Speaker 1: Place's most revolutionary element is the casting of Simmons as Reagan.
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  Speaker 1: It's unfortunate that the hiring of an actress with the
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  Speaker 1: same disability as her character is considered a rarity, but
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  Speaker 1: when barely five percent of disabled characters are written and
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  Speaker 1: nearly one hundred percent of them are portrayed by able
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  Speaker 1: bodied actors, it's important to highlight Simmons actually taught the
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  Speaker 1: cast how to use sign language and her ability to
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  Speaker 1: simply illustrate that her disability is an average part of
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  Speaker 1: her life is amazing. Creating a character who exists on
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  Speaker 1: screen because the actress understands her character off screen. It's
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  Speaker 1: another great example of why casting disabled actors is so vital.
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  Speaker 2: Right again, they took a lot of advice from her.
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  Speaker 2: I hope she got paid extra for teaching and helping
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  Speaker 2: with a lot of the content, because apparently she was
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  Speaker 2: the one who made suggestions on what type of how
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  Speaker 2: to use the sign to show her emotions and all
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  Speaker 2: of that. So oh, she got paid. So the film
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  Speaker 2: was a hit over all and was critically acclaimed. The
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  Speaker 2: movie was nominated for several awards, including Academy Awards and
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  Speaker 2: Golden Globes for Best Score and the Best Original Screenplay,
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  Speaker 2: and it did win others, including the SAG Awards. Emily
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  Speaker 2: Blunt won that and Critics' choice for Best sci fi
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  Speaker 2: horror movie and many others. So we're going to jump
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  Speaker 2: right into the plot. You ready, let's go. So the
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  Speaker 2: movie begins with a family of five walking to get supplies.
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  Speaker 2: We are introduced to the abbots father Leebbit played by
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  Speaker 2: John Krasinski, Evelyn played by Emily Blunt Marcus, the second
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  Speaker 2: child played by Noah Jupe, Reagan, oldest child played by
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  Speaker 2: Melissa Simmons, and a brief appearance by the youngest son Bo.
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  Speaker 2: The movie is fairly quiet throughout due to the alien invasion.
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  Speaker 2: These creatures are sightless but can hear very well and
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  Speaker 2: nearly impossible to kill as they have armor plating that
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  Speaker 2: protects them. Feels like aliens, you know what I'm saying. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The invasion has destroyed the human population, with just a
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  Speaker 2: few remaining, including the Abbots. At the store, they're able
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  Speaker 2: to get a good amount of items, and the youngest
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  Speaker 2: was even able to find a space shuttle toy, but
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  Speaker 2: the parents did not allow him to have it. However, Reagan,
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  Speaker 2: being the good sister, gave it to him without the
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  Speaker 2: batteries because this made a lot of noise. However, Bo
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  Speaker 2: took those batteries with him and as a journey back home,
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  Speaker 2: Bo turns on his new toy, causing everyone to panic. However, Reagan,
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  Speaker 2: who is deaf, did not hear the toy, but watch
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  Speaker 2: the reactions of her parents, just in time to turn
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  Speaker 2: and see her youngest brother taken away by an alien. Dumb, dumb, dumb.
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  Speaker 2: We jump a year later to see that the family
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  Speaker 2: has tried to go back to normal, to their normal,
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  Speaker 2: and that Evelyn is several months pregnant. Throughout this time,
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  Speaker 2: they have set up things in order to survive or
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  Speaker 2: there soon to be infant child. A basement that is
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  Speaker 2: somewhat soundproof, a baby box that is soundproof with oxygen
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  Speaker 2: when it cries, a distraction for when she actually starts
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  Speaker 2: to give birth, and much more. Lee has also been
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  Speaker 2: researching ways to fight against the aliens, looking for weaknesses,
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  Speaker 2: having surveillance all around, and teaching their son how to survive.
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  Speaker 2: At one point, Lee makes Marcus come with him to
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  Speaker 2: go fishing and refuses to allow Reagan to come with him,
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  Speaker 2: even though she desperately wants to go, saying she needs
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  Speaker 2: to stay with our mom to keep her safe. Upset,
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  Speaker 2: Reagan decides to go visit a Bow's memorial site instead.
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  Speaker 2: Leaving Evelyn all by her lonesome, and of course she
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  Speaker 2: didn't go to labor by herself elf. After trying to
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  Speaker 2: go into the basement, she steps on the giant nail,
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  Speaker 2: which made everybody scream in the squirm, making her drop
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  Speaker 2: a picture fame she had in her hand, alerting all
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  Speaker 2: the creatures around. She's able to turn on the lights
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  Speaker 2: outside to alert the family that she was in labor,
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  Speaker 2: which is one of their precautions, but the alien soon
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  Speaker 2: appears in the basement, but Evelyn is able to make
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  Speaker 2: it out by tricking the alien with a timer or
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  Speaker 2: an egg timer. After a deep conversation and bonding time
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  Speaker 2: between Marcus and Lee because they're able to talk because
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  Speaker 2: of the water, Marcus asks if Lee is mad at
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  Speaker 2: Reagan for both's death, in which Lee says no. Then
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  Speaker 2: Marcus advises him to tell Reagan that because she thinks
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  Speaker 2: he blames her and is mad at her. Soon upon
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  Speaker 2: their return, they see the lights and Lee runs to
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  Speaker 2: lure any other creatures away with fireworks, just in time
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  Speaker 2: for Evelyn to give birth in a bathtub by herself. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 2: Regan sees the fireworks and runs back home, while Lee
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  Speaker 2: finally gets back into the house and helps Evelyn and
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  Speaker 2: their newborn baby into their hiding spot, and Lee soon
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  Speaker 2: goes back out to find the other kids. Marcus and
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  Speaker 2: Reagan are able to get on top of the corn
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  Speaker 2: silo after a chase ensues and they try to signal
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  Speaker 2: their parents with the fire, but Marcus then falls into
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  Speaker 2: the corn because of course why not, which the alien's here,
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  Speaker 2: And finally, after finally being able to get out of
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  Speaker 2: the corner silo, both of them run to the truck,
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  Speaker 2: where they get attacked by the alien. Soon though, Lee
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  Speaker 2: arrives and signs to Reagan that he loves her and
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  Speaker 2: has always loved her important line before he distracts the animal,
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  Speaker 2: sacrificing himself so his children can't escape, which I really
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  Speaker 2: don't think he needed to do. I feel like he
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  Speaker 2: could have done ten other things to try to at
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  Speaker 2: least survive. I just I don't get those things. I
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  Speaker 2: don't like it anyway. The children arrive back home, the
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  Speaker 2: hideout is now flooded, and Evelyn and the baby are
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  Speaker 2: able to escape, but they are soon still being hunted
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  Speaker 2: by the alien. Evelyn and Reagan realized that the hearing
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  Speaker 2: aid that Lee had made for Reagan at the beginning
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  Speaker 2: of the movie actually hurts the aliens and they use
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  Speaker 2: it to make it vulnerable so that Evelyn can shoot it.
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  Speaker 2: The end, it's a pretty bad scene because you see
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  Speaker 2: Evelyn dow the my noise sound effects, you like that,
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  Speaker 2: and that's where we end. Yes, So obviously there's this
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  Speaker 2: movie is quite intense for several reasons. One of the
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  Speaker 2: ways that they do this is through the communication. And
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  Speaker 2: I use this as a theme because we want to
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  Speaker 2: talk about the themes now that communication is a part
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  Speaker 2: of what they want to do. Whether it's very obviously
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  Speaker 2: with the silence throughout the movie, the usage of sign
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  Speaker 2: language obviously throughout the movie as well, and then just
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  Speaker 2: kind of like him never communicating but then finally communicating
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  Speaker 2: with his daughter about what he was feeling and not
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  Speaker 2: doing it in a great job right before he dies.
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  Speaker 2: So of course or why not? So within that I
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  Speaker 2: said silence was a part of the theme, And again
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  Speaker 2: another critic wrote in a different article that it is
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  Speaker 2: best watched at the movie theater because when you're with
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  Speaker 2: a crowd of people in silence, there's no music, there's
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  Speaker 2: no dialogue. It's something different from being at home by yourself.
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  Speaker 2: Even with the round sandwich is what we have. But
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  Speaker 2: you know, like having that there's an audible change in
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  Speaker 2: the atmosphere and that you're supposed to feel.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's really comical because I mean it's incredibly effective.
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  Speaker 1: The comical part is I went saw this in theaters
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  Speaker 1: and everyone I know, even my horror movie friends, is like,
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  Speaker 1: I would never dare because inevitably my stomach starts a
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  Speaker 1: rumbling in the movie and I'm like, I ball up
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  Speaker 1: my jacket over my stomach and I'm trying to It
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  Speaker 1: was like a multiple packed theater, so you know, the
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  Speaker 1: people next to me definitely were like, it's her, but
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  Speaker 1: why audience didn't know, But it was if we were
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  Speaker 1: dead silent just watching this.
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  Speaker 2: So it sounds like you wouldn't survive. No, nobody really
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  Speaker 2: talks about the like those out It's like when did
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  Speaker 2: you use a bathroom? Going to like what happens if
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  Speaker 2: you have to vomit? Like you're not quiet quietly like
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  Speaker 2: how did Evelyn do this birthing thing? Wow? But here's
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  Speaker 2: a quote from that slash film dot com article. The
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  Speaker 2: high silent concept gives the film a unique aura of suspense.
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  Speaker 2: You like, the characters are constantly flinching at every small noise.
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  Speaker 2: It also gives the actors a chance to project emotion
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  Speaker 2: without dialogue, which they all clearly relish. Not not Les
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  Speaker 2: Simon's a deaf actor who just about steals a film
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  Speaker 2: from the Peter. The stars playing our parents Evelyn, Emily
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  Speaker 2: Blunt and Lee Krasinski, which, by the way, Krasinsky, that
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  Speaker 2: was his whole thing in the office, always doing the
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  Speaker 2: side eye, always giving the extra looks. So he should
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  Speaker 2: have been a pro this, like if anybody should have
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  Speaker 2: been prepared for a role, except he's never done it
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  Speaker 2: as like a fear based like embarrassment based, yes, like
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  Speaker 2: guilt space, yes, like if you've seen the Office, you
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  Speaker 2: know the American Office, that is because he makes all
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  Speaker 2: those faces. So I feel like this was made for him.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, I feel like a silence. The silence was
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  Speaker 2: not only a theme, but it was also a character
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  Speaker 2: in itself, because if it was broken, everything changed.
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  Speaker 3: It felt very oppressive, It felt very like.
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  Speaker 1: It did make you look for any kind of thing
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  Speaker 1: that could make a noise, like, oh, don't knock into
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  Speaker 1: that or don't do that, Like you were just so
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  Speaker 1: constantly looking around for okay, that could make a noise
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  Speaker 1: that could make a noise. It just made you very
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  Speaker 1: aware of how many sounds you make just existing, right,
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  Speaker 1: and what would that mean if you had to really
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  Speaker 1: eliminate that.
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  Speaker 2: The new film, we know there's a cat involved, and
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  Speaker 2: I constantly always thought if my if I was in
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  Speaker 2: a pop up situation like that, I would die because
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  Speaker 2: of my dog.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, so I my friend Marissa, friend of the show,
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  Speaker 1: has seen the third one and she really liked it. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I'm planning on seeing it soon. I have seen the sequel.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, they deal with a baby. They do a great
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  Speaker 2: job with the mom trying to have a conversation, and
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  Speaker 2: but then we do I have the rebellious then in
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  Speaker 2: this aspect too with the young boy. It's been a
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  Speaker 2: minute as I've seen it. And then we have Killian
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  Speaker 2: Murphy and like it's kind of like, huh what it's
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  Speaker 2: a boat.
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  Speaker 1: It's a very Yeah, there's a boat and there's a
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  Speaker 1: whole island alien terrible scene and like a radio station.
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  Speaker 2: That's right, they thought they found peace for just a
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  Speaker 2: slight a second. Spoilers for that one, especially that yeah, terrific.
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  Speaker 2: I forgot about that was like, huh, yeah, I think
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  Speaker 2: they they had to like switch it up a little bit,
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  Speaker 2: like we have to have some talking.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Of course with that communication we talked about the use
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  Speaker 2: of sign language. I did find it fascinating apparently, like
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  Speaker 2: Simmon's really had a lot of like to say about like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, let me do this as like a teenager.
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  Speaker 2: My my signing is going to be really abrupt and forceful,
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  Speaker 2: like I'm yelling at you in sign language. And she
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  Speaker 2: does a great job in that the whole like stop stop,
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  Speaker 2: just just stop, that level of conversation with his like
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  Speaker 2: slow like very big gestured goodbye to her once again.
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  Speaker 2: In the suns we have them like dancing with AirPods.
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  Speaker 2: Where do they get the ballot batteries? I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: I say, have electricity somehow.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure it was in there.
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  Speaker 2: Did I miss it? Linerators are a damn wow.
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  Speaker 1: So there's no Oh, I've told you about that my
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  Speaker 1: feared horror movie video games. You start that generator, They're
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  Speaker 1: coming for you. They're coming whatever it is.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, so that was a part of that level
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  Speaker 2: of conversation that like they got lucky that they were
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  Speaker 2: able to all sign really well. And she was talking
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  Speaker 2: about how they need to be fluent because if if
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  Speaker 2: they had been living with her as the eldest daughter,
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  Speaker 2: they would all be very fluent with it, which I
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  Speaker 2: think is like a very good point, and so she
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  Speaker 2: would teach them pretty steadily to make sure that they
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  Speaker 2: were able to do so. And I put this under communication.
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  Speaker 2: I think, like when we talk about silanguage, when we
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  Speaker 2: talk about actors who are able to be represented, and
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  Speaker 2: we wanted to talk about like the ableism versus representation,
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  Speaker 2: and we've seen it too often where we see able
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  Speaker 2: body people, as he spoke earlier, being these characters because
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  Speaker 2: they have this like dynamic that it needs to be fixed. Again,
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  Speaker 2: that's not necessarily a thing like that's not a lot
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  Speaker 2: of people who are in the disabled community would say,
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  Speaker 2: I'm fine, I don't need to be quote unquote fixed.
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  Speaker 2: And I put that in like derogatory terms being used
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  Speaker 2: essentially when it comes to disabled communities. And so we
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  Speaker 2: don't see enough representation, like in general, because the idea
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  Speaker 2: that is like the catalyst of the plot, which we
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  Speaker 2: don't want to see. And that's kind of like the
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  Speaker 2: nice part of this movies. It's not the plot, it's
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  Speaker 2: not the henchpen to this whole thing. There's no like,
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  Speaker 2: it's just who she is. That's just a part of
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  Speaker 2: her life, and that's just a part of their life.
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  Speaker 2: There's no The movies not based on that quote, unquo,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Right, So in that there's
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  Speaker 2: a lot of conversation about did they do well?
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 1: I remember when this came out. I remember all the
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  Speaker 1: conversation about it. Here's the quote from Brian O'Donnell's article
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  Speaker 1: in The Mighty dot Com. Kazinsky and his writing team
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  Speaker 1: are urt careless filmmakers, and the way they sidestep this
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  Speaker 1: trope is remarkable and it's simplicity. They don't call attention
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  Speaker 1: to Reagan being deaf in the opening scenes, so when
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  Speaker 1: it does come up, it is only a part of
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  Speaker 1: her character and her journey. We already know this character
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  Speaker 1: as a smart, capable but in one faithful moment, careless teenager,
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  Speaker 1: the suffering angel only has their condition to offer, which
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  Speaker 1: lowers them to sympathy device but Reagan is much more
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  Speaker 1: than that. No one is particularly sympathetic to Reagan because
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  Speaker 1: she's deaf. The world of the film is so brutal
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  Speaker 1: and hostile, Reagan being deaf is pretty low on the
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  Speaker 1: list of issues facing the Abbot family. Further, her relationship
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  Speaker 1: with her family and specifically her father Lee is complicated,
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  Speaker 1: and not because she is deaf. It's complicated because she
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  Speaker 1: got her brother killed and Reagan and Lee are struggling
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  Speaker 1: to navigate this tragedy in a world defined by tragedy.
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  Speaker 2: Right. You know, There's another point that I'm not gonna
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  Speaker 2: didn't address necessarily, but in another article, they had this
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  Speaker 2: conversation about the fact that the villains in this, the
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  Speaker 2: bad guys the aliens, like many others, are very much
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  Speaker 2: disabled representation as well, in that they are blind and
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  Speaker 2: blind essentially can't necessarily communicate all these things, and like
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  Speaker 2: they're inability to do A B and C and D
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  Speaker 2: and there's conversation ability. You see these tropes. You see
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  Speaker 2: these things as as the weaknesses, and I've used against them.
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  Speaker 2: But is this enabless tactic as well that's too often
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  Speaker 2: used to make the monsters for these movies. And I
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  Speaker 2: was like, huh, I wasn't thinking about in that route,
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  Speaker 2: but I get I see, I see. So I thought
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  Speaker 2: that was an interesting conversation that we're not going to
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  Speaker 2: follow too into, but just something to speak out on.
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  Speaker 2: Here's another quote from that slash film dot com article.
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  Speaker 2: The eventual reveal of her as deaf would then compel
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  Speaker 2: the audience to question whether this changes how they feel
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  Speaker 2: towards the character, and whether the use of sign language
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  Speaker 2: is connected to her or not. It would have demanded
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  Speaker 2: the audience to look at their own stereotypes of disabled characters.
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  Speaker 2: Reagan's disability is never seen as a detriment in comparison
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  Speaker 2: to a mobility issue. Reagan is as able body as
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  Speaker 2: can be, an additional Hollywood benefit of using deafness in general.
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  Speaker 2: Despite her hearing laws, she's portrayed as smart, able to
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  Speaker 2: think on her feet in comparison to her brother Marcus
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  Speaker 2: Norah Jup. She isn't labeled a victim, though her malfunctioning
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  Speaker 2: implant prevents her from hearing the creatures behind her. Her
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  Speaker 2: expressions are one of surprise and comparison to jeeps, whose
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  Speaker 2: reactions are strictly based in fear. So that's kind of
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  Speaker 2: like the level of like, okay, this just changes the
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  Speaker 2: approach for each actor, and like what they saw and
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: what you could feel because they're like they are. You
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: have the one that's the protective one, the father who
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: wants to defeat it and protect his family. You have
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: the mother who is caring in gentle and trying to
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: make sure everyone is okay and connecting to each other
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: once again, but also like helping everybody through heartbreak. You
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: have the sister who is constantly on alert, but she's
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: not as scared like she It's not like she is scared,
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: but it's more like she's determined. And then you have
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: the brother who was constantly scared doesn't want to leave
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: because he knows the bad out there. So I thought
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: that was an interesting look.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and of course, with most movies and shows,
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: is not completely ablest free. Here's another quote. The film
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: isn't one hundred percent able to divorce itself from ableism.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: Hollywood likes to fall back on making disabled people magical,
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: either with heightened senses or in their possession of a
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: skill that defeats the baddies. In this case, Reagan's broken
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: implant is the monster's weakness her father was searching for.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: Using the feedback from the implant, Reagan neutralizes the monster,
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: making them easier to kill. The concept certainly falls into
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: the trap of being a benefit for her the one
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: thing she can do is use her disability to save
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: the day. However, her ultimate rejection of the implant allows
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: her to embrace the new world around her, unburden herself
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: of guilt, and become the new leader of the family unit.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: The movie still falls into able tost thinking, but Simmons'
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: strength as a performer in the film's and making her
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: character disabled Unicorn prior to this attempts to balance the
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: scales right.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: Right, And I think that's that conversation, like you have
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: to have some type of drama and some type of solutions,
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: and I think inevitably this is the easier pick. It
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: was still creative for like, oh, this is going to
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: affect their hearing because you know these things, okay, But like, yeah,
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: I think we see that in a lot most times,
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: in order to explain away a disability and or to
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: hide it or to over emphasize the point to the
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: point that like, I'm so accepting our view that you
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: are so because this is the only thing I see
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: of you, because you're so beautiful, it makes you unique.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: You're like, you know, that's that's not it. So you
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: definitely do have the moments, and it's hard didn't see sometimes,
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: especially as an able body person, meaning like I'm not
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: I've never issue had any issues with like hearing to
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: that point, so to me doesn't like, oh, okay, yeah,
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: of course this might happen blah blah blah, not seeing
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: it for oh, this is kind of like one more
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: able list trope that we haven't looked at in this
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: way because it seems kind maybe is that the word
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: I'm looking for?
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it reminds me of a lot of
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: conversations that came out after COVID where I was like,
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: I kind of get. This is not the same thing,
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: but similar, I kind of get what you're saying, where
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: people were suddenly like, oh my superpower is anxiety and
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: I stay inside all the time like oh my superpower
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: is this. I'm like, Okay, I kind of get. I
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: get what you're trying to do.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: Right, But.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: And if you know some people feel that way. Okay,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: but if that's kind of like the trope is.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: That's something that you're just continuing on to be like
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: this is what I see about you, It's kind of
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: like that level.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like the thing about you is this.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like for most people to look like that's not
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: the thing, it's kind of like when I'm being called
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: out from my ethnicity constantly, I'm like, yes, I know,
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: I am Korean. Yeah that's not the okay, cool cool,
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: you know, like that's the only acknowledgement to the point
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: of like, but you're so beautiful with this, like yeah,
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: you're so lucky to learn silently, which excuse me, Like
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: there's so many I've heard that. But with that would
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: move on. We're talking about family, and I put this
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: as a theme because under that as many themes with
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: their family specifically, we had the loss of a child,
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: which was traumatic at the very jump. So you have
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: trauma after the loss of the child. So you have
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: the trauma of the parent, and there's so many feelings
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: on that one end, and then the siblings and you
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: have those feelings on that end. Trauma is all about.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: Horror movies just love trauma.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: Though I'm starting to think almost everything loves trauma.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: That's fair, that's fair.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: But yes, horror movies definitely love trauma. They love characters
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: who are wrestling with trauma and have to in some
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: way or another come to terms with it, and usually
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: in some way or another it brings them more harm.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah that they haven't faced it or haven't dealt with
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: it obviously, Yeah.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: Then we have like rebirth, the new child, the new beginning.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: When they started over again, it did feel like kind
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: of a slight like, hey, we got okay, we lost one,
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: we'll take another one. I don't think that's the case
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: at all, but the way that the timing of the
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: movie went it was a little like huh huh. Interesting.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: I did think the first time I saw this, and
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: I feel you and I have a tendency to do this.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: I mean we do it all the time the show.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: But I was like, wow, you're gonna have a baby
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: right now? Right because there's the crime that clearly they
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: put in the thought. They put in the thought of
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: how can we protect this baby if it's crying all
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: this stuff.
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: But the first time I saw it, I was like, oh,
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: that sounds like a risk.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: My friend right right, really concerned about this, and I
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: think they put I'm pretty sure I read about this.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: They had that birthing scene because they knew it would
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: be so intense of how she's not able to scream,
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: and it's like clearly very painful.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: She stepped on this nail, like the tension is just
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: over the top and that. But yeah, it I was
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: thinking about it. I was like, oh no, yeah, it
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: felt like a taking time.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: Well it is obviously, yeah, again it falls into the
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: second movie, but I yeah, I think it's interesting, like
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: they still like in the midst of this moment, she's
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: still trying to keep our family together while being pregnant. Again,
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: my mind went through everything of like, there's so many
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: complications to pregnancy and dangers this, You're already probably malnourished,
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: You're probably all these things. If you have morning sickness,
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: you're real screwed, and then you have two other kids
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: in this point, Like there's so much that I'm like,
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: this doesn't quite make sense. A B. The birth scene,
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: I was like, okay, there, that is why how the
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: child didn't Like typically they scream or they try to
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: get them to start crying to make sure they're breathing
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: and such, none of that happened. Like, I was like,
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: none of that. I guess maybe during the fireworks that
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: was enough to a distraction. And also where are these
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: fireworks coming? Like if you have all of these, they
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: should have been able to survive, is what I've got
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: to say on that one. Again, they're able to rally
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: with each other and help each other out. The sister
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: really does help the brother, and the brother helps the
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: sister in their corn silo, like making sure to protect
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: each other. Of course, another theme death during the apocalyp
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: There're gonna have a lot of death. We had the
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: old man come out of nowhere scream because he wanted
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: to kill off everybody's that says, since his wife or
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: partner dies always like and everybody ends.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And I think we didn't really talk about this,
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: but there is Lee's trying to find other.
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: Survivors.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: He's trying to find other survivors, but it's eerie and
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: alone for all of it, and so it feels like
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: if there are people, there are people like this old
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: guy who might.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: Be a danger, it's a real risk to reach out.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: And it also just along with the silence, I think
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: it it hangs over the whole movie, this fear of
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: death and like the fallout of this death that happened
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: at the beginning, and having all these precautions in place
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: to prevent death, and it's just constant, like it's there, right, yeah.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: You can sweaty.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: I'm like go away to ward off this feeling.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: Again, with another like the theme of survival, which they
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: do have a great job. I was seeing like the
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: amount of corner they have. They can live for a
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: long time longally they've got some water.
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: They really had a pretty good setup.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the jarred foods and downstairs and the like where'd
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: y'all get that?
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: Yes, it's one of those movies that makes me want
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: to learn learn some things. But I like they had
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: a lot of creative solutions to like their pathways, had
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: to muffle their footsteps, and the their red light system,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: their light system.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: Yes, where the electricity electricity?
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: I'm sure maybe they didn't. I don't know. I remember
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: somebody wrote they it was in good fun.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: But they were talking about the how this alien would
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: actually function, and they're like, no.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: All the aliens are starting to look similar to each other.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Have you seen have you noticed this? Like he looks
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: very much in like a lined with aliens and stranger
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: things put together.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he dies, Yeah, I can see that. I can
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: see that. I think I've seen some different.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: Ghost in is such a different than like aliens aliens
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: or aliens being like mindsets?
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like the worms that get in your ear and.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: Oh no, I was thinking the three body problem. Oh,
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: it's just they just communicate the way you never see them.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: Uh, rival They're kind of like squid.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: That's a whole female like aliens. We need to talk
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: about those being mucating. I think we actually didn't talk
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: about that aliens. I think we did talk about that
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: the mother anyway, moving on, but yeah, I think there's
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: several other things we could attach to this, the whole
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: h Kevin in the woodsfield being in the country. Yeah,
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: So where would you go in apocalyptic situation?
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: Well, we have talked about this.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: We have.
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: The unfortunate thing for me is I live in a city.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: I live very close to the center of a city,
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: and so you've seen a lot of apocalypse movies. I'm
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: in a lot of trouble because of that, because I
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: basically have to get out of the city otherwise I'm
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: going to be like trapped. Your car is not going
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: to get out. The roads are going to.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: Be blocked, So I either have to car especially we
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: have that's true, So I either have to get out
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: before things have really gotten sour, or I'm gonna have
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: to start walking.
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: I think I.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: Would head towards where my mom lives because the survivalist
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: lives next door, right, and it's pretty secluded, but like
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: not too secluded. So I feel like I could get
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: some stuff and then from there maybe I'll learn some
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: skills and I'll then I'll move on to somewhere else.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: I have a couple options in mind. Nothing settled yet though,
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: set I got a plan.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, I don't much have one either. I would go,
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: but I think towards my family as well, who is
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: in North Georgia and the mountains. Ah, but still like
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: there's no real isolated area.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: It would really depend on the apocalypse too. What kind
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: of apocalypse are we talking?
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: What are we looking at?
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Maybe they hate the city and I'll be better off
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: there whatever it starts out in the country, that's true,
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: like a zombie thing probably starting the city. But oh
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: that's gotch its risk, but.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: It does, but it's pretty high security, it's true. Anyway,
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: We'll think more on this. Yeah, and I think, as
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: we said before, the character of Evelyn is being built
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: up here, especially with the ending frame of her and
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: Reagan being the lead here and obviously finding a way.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: Oh we can kill these efforts well essentially with this
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: way and having a plan that way I think it
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: definitely does set up for the next one, in which
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: he becomes a little more outspoken, a little more direct,
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: a little more confrontational, especially with the kids and trying
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: to make sure that they survive. It's interesting as that
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: plays out.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: It is, and I really like Reagan's story and then
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: second one as well watching I think. But yeah, listeners,
• 32:04
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• 32:07
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• 32:11
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