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Exploring a Unique 1964.5 Mustang at the Houston Autorama and Reviewing the Jeep Compass · In Wheel Time Podcast

• 0:00
  Speaker 1: Welcome to another In-Wheel Time podcast, a 30-minute mini version of the In-Wheel Time car show that airs live every Saturday morning 8 to 11 am Central.
• 0:09
  Speaker 1: It's Max.
• 0:10
  Speaker 1: Anywhere From the 63rd annual Autorama at the George R Brown Convention Center in downtown Houston, texas, it's the In-Wheel Time car talk show Coming up.
• 0:24
  Speaker 1: Another guest from the massive participants at this year's show To drive the new Jeep Compass.
• 0:30
  Speaker 1: I'll give you my thoughts on it.
• 0:31
  Speaker 1: Conrad has the cruise-in calendar and this week in auto history and later we'll bring you the stories making automotive news headlines.
• 0:38
  Speaker 1: Just ahead on the In-Wheel Time car talk show Howdy, along with Mike out of this world Mars King, conrad DeLong.
• 0:46
  Speaker 1: We always need more Jeff Zekin.
• 0:49
  Speaker 1: He's right there and right behind him.
• 0:52
  Speaker 1: Next to him is David Ainsley.
• 0:57
  Speaker 1: Has anybody ever asked you about that?
• 1:01
  Speaker 2: They asked me all the time why did they really?
• 1:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I had to refer him to David.
• 1:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, here's his phone number If you ask him.
• 1:06
  Speaker 1: Anybody ever talk to you about that?
• 1:08
  Speaker 1: David, uh-huh, mmm-hmm.
• 1:10
  Speaker 1: Okay, well, I can't believe that it's already the start of hour number three.
• 1:20
  Speaker 1: We should be drinking, we should be.
• 1:23
  Speaker 1: We ought to hold off on that.
• 1:25
  Speaker 1: They do sell alcoholic beverages here.
• 1:28
  Speaker 2: By the way.
• 1:28
  Speaker 1: The doors are now open.
• 1:29
  Speaker 2: The doors are open.
• 1:31
  Speaker 1: The masses are firing in.
• 1:33
  Speaker 2: They're massing.
• 1:34
  Speaker 1: Flowing in and flowing right here into the guest seat at our remote facility.
• 1:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, studio.
• 1:43
  Speaker 1: Well, I wouldn't call it a studio.
• 1:45
  Speaker 4: Jail cell A desk Prison cell.
• 1:48
  Speaker 1: Our remote desk here at the Georgia.
• 1:50
  Speaker 4: And we have wires around us to be a studio.
• 1:52
  Speaker 1: So, bob, Well, hopefully everybody can't see all of that, because it's really not something to brag about.
• 1:57
  Speaker 1: But joining us here is Eric Lipper.
• 2:01
  Speaker 1: Eric, good morning and thanks for joining us.
• 2:03
  Speaker 1: Good morning, eric and I had a nice conversation, a move in day, which was Tuesday.
• 2:09
  Speaker 1: Here it is Saturday already.
• 2:12
  Speaker 3: Well, it goes quick, doesn't it?
• 2:14
  Speaker 1: Time flies when you're having a good time.
• 2:16
  Speaker 1: Before you know it, we'll be pulling down all this stuff and hauling it out of here on Sunday night.
• 2:20
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 2:21
  Speaker 1: That's the annual tradition, yeah it is, and it's kind of weird when that starts to happen because you work so hard to get here and then all of a sudden poof it's done.
• 2:29
  Speaker 4: Everybody's looking at their clock going.
• 2:31
  Speaker 4: When can I get out of here?
• 2:32
  Speaker 4: Get out of here, my battery up yeah exactly, and get back to my life again.
• 2:36
  Speaker 1: He's got a very unique vehicle and it drew my attention, obviously, because he's right across the booth from us here and he's got a beautiful display of a 1964 and a half pre-production Ford Mustang convertible.
• 2:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and he started telling me about it and I was absolutely blown away and I'll let you tell the story instead of me, because you tell it much better than I do.
• 3:03
  Speaker 1: But this is a very unique car.
• 3:07
  Speaker 3: Well, thanks, I'm happy to talk about it.
• 3:09
  Speaker 3: This Mustang was born on December 9th 1963, if you think about that.
• 3:15
  Speaker 3: And in December 9th of 1963, mustangs were born in a warehouse in Dearborn, because it is a pre-production car, and so people employed by Ford are told to put these cars together and let's see how the parts fit.
• 3:32
  Speaker 3: And this is one of about 200 examples that were built in the period.
• 3:38
  Speaker 3: Of the 200 examples, this is the very first convertible that was built.
• 3:45
  Speaker 4: Oh wow, I was about to ask you how many convertibles were in that 200.
• 3:49
  Speaker 3: About 70 cars Now.
• 3:51
  Speaker 3: By the way, if you think about the New York World's Fair, april 17th 1964, ford had cars on a rail there Was there, yeah, and if you rode in the Mustangs that were towed around on the track there, those had no engines in them and they were towed and those were part of the pre-production cars that were built.
• 4:14
  Speaker 1: So it was part of this era of these cars.
• 4:17
  Speaker 3: This car.
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  Speaker 3: If you look at the display outside the convention center in New York, april 17th 1964, this is the car that was on the display.
• 4:27
  Speaker 4: No, that was under the hoop.
• 4:28
  Speaker 4: Deal oh arches kind of thing.
• 4:32
  Speaker 3: When I took the car to the Mustang Club of America.
• 4:34
  Speaker 3: I have a setup that looks like that, but I didn't bring it in here because it's too cumbersome.
• 4:40
  Speaker 3: But these cars are really unique.
• 4:44
  Speaker 3: What I love is you look at it and you say 64.5 Mustang, but if you took the tape measure out, it's an inch shorter.
• 4:52
  Speaker 2: Really it is Because the door opening looks larger than a normal Mustang.
• 4:57
  Speaker 3: And the crazy part is is you can't quite figure it out, but you can see a few visual cues when you look at it, like if you look at the corners of the windshield pillars where they come down to the cow, you'll see there's space between the dash pad and the windshield pillar, but you don't see that in the production car.
• 5:14
  Speaker 3: That's the excess width.
• 5:16
  Speaker 3: That's in the car.
• 5:17
  Speaker 3: The length difference is everywhere.
• 5:20
  Speaker 3: The wheel basis is about a quarter of an inch shorter than the production car and it's somewhat because it's hand assembled.
• 5:29
  Speaker 4: Right, yeah, pre-production stuff is all hand built.
• 5:32
  Speaker 4: They do as best they can to make it visually look like the production car, but they're all hand built.
• 5:40
  Speaker 3: And see, you'll see on this car, if you look at all the seams in it, they're all let it in, because this was also Ford's photography car.
• 5:46
  Speaker 3: So if you go, look at the door jams and you go look at the 64.5 Mustang brochure, that car doesn't have spot welds in the door jam because it's this car.
• 5:56
  Speaker 3: That's not how they were in fact produced.
• 5:59
  Speaker 2: Wow, oh wow.
• 6:01
  Speaker 3: That's why the door jams.
• 6:01
  Speaker 3: The trunk lip looks a whole lot cleaner in this car.
• 6:04
  Speaker 3: Probably the neatest thing about this car being pre-production is if you got under it and saw how different it is in the production car, because they Give me some examples.
• 6:17
  Speaker 3: Well, when they put the car together they didn't realize how much clearance they needed for turning.
• 6:23
  Speaker 3: So there's torch marks in the bottom of this car where they cut out some of the metal so the wheels wouldn't hit the sub.
• 6:31
  Speaker 3: I call it a subframe, it's a unibody, but where it would hit the unibody.
• 6:34
  Speaker 3: But the single neatest thing on this car, and why it's so historically significant, is if you put your hands inside the inner wheel houses of that car, they're all beat up and this is documented.
• 6:47
  Speaker 3: When they built the car they welded in coupe wheel houses into the car and then they put the convertible top on it.
• 6:54
  Speaker 3: It wouldn't go down and so they said we can fix that.
• 6:57
  Speaker 3: They just beat it up and flatten it.
• 6:59
  Speaker 4: Just get in there with a hammer and make space.
• 7:01
  Speaker 3: So in fact there's an engineering drawing in Ford where they re-engineered to now say we better make a convertible wheel house.
• 7:08
  Speaker 3: And it's this car is the drawing that they used to show how to modify it.
• 7:14
  Speaker 1: The other thing that you were showing me with the top was up as the.
• 7:18
  Speaker 1: The bows in the convertible top are flat.
• 7:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, looks like a Jeep top sort of, and because they just had an engineer to, you know, there's a lot of things that missed.
• 7:28
  Speaker 3: If you look, there's no mirror on the driver's door.
• 7:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I noticed that dump.
• 7:32
  Speaker 2: Point that out this morning.
• 7:33
  Speaker 3: They had an engineer at the seats.
• 7:34
  Speaker 3: Don't move in this car.
• 7:35
  Speaker 3: They're bolted, you know.
• 7:37
  Speaker 4: Not not uncommon with so cars.
• 7:39
  Speaker 3: Right, they're bolted to the floor.
• 7:41
  Speaker 3: The earliest of the Mustangs, this one included.
• 7:45
  Speaker 3: The first digit on the AM radio is a six, because the radio was built before the FCC released the fives in the AM dial in 64.
• 7:56
  Speaker 3: So if you get a super early Mustang, they they'll have that, but they're they're handful of cars that have that radio in them.
• 8:04
  Speaker 1: How did you get?
• 8:04
  Speaker 3: it.
• 8:04
  Speaker 3: So I've got some other Mustangs.
• 8:07
  Speaker 3: My wife says I can't talk about those, but knew a guy in and have you ever listened to her before?
• 8:15
  Speaker 3: You know, the best thing was when we got married 35 years ago.
• 8:21
  Speaker 3: She said, honey, you can keep collecting cars as long as I don't have to go to work.
• 8:27
  Speaker 2: And I said fair, fair, fair trade.
• 8:29
  Speaker 3: Absolutely great marriage.
• 8:30
  Speaker 3: But I knew the guy that owned the car, ed Bailey, and this car really is.
• 8:35
  Speaker 3: Of the pre production cars Only about 25 have survived because about 175 surprise, surprise were crushed for it.
• 8:43
  Speaker 3: So get rid of them because they're not production this car.
• 8:47
  Speaker 1: they still do that today, oh sure.
• 8:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 8:49
  Speaker 3: Right, and so this car went out on photography after the New York World's Fair and toured kind of the Midwest of the United States and ended up in Ames Iowa.
• 8:58
  Speaker 3: You had a Ford dealer in Ames Iowa.
• 9:01
  Speaker 3: Ford wrote the dealer and said we're recalling the car, but they didn't come get it and the car sat and this car was sold brand new in 1967.
• 9:10
  Speaker 3: It sat on the dealer floor till 67.
• 9:13
  Speaker 3: He sold it and it stayed in Ames Iowa.
• 9:16
  Speaker 3: Of all places.
• 9:18
  Speaker 4: How unusual that that he sold it, that there was an MSO on it that gave him the opportunity to sell.
• 9:25
  Speaker 3: See, and I think it's a different time the MSO is more of a modern.
• 9:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, a modern deal.
• 9:30
  Speaker 3: Back then you, as the dealer, just went and applied for his title from your state If you've already had it for two years, three years, so the car gets sold, stays in the same family names Iowa, until Ed Bailey found the car, ed bought it.
• 9:45
  Speaker 3: It was then sent to a place called Buckeye Restoration who specializes in early Mustang restoration, and that's why it's also billboarded as the most authentically restored one, because it's done the engines in the original color of the Falcon engine which was in the car.
• 10:03
  Speaker 3: I mean lots of little stuff.
• 10:06
  Speaker 1: Nuances yeah, yeah it comes with it, it's, it's.
• 10:09
  Speaker 3: this car is Mustang geek, is Mustang geek, you can get right.
• 10:15
  Speaker 4: So did.
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  Speaker 4: Did Bailey know what he was buying when he bought this car?
• 10:19
  Speaker 3: You know, Bailey knew he was buying a pre production car because of the serial number on it.
• 10:25
  Speaker 4: But he didn't know the history of it, the people who were selling it know what they were selling.
• 10:30
  Speaker 3: No, they did not.
• 10:31
  Speaker 3: They bought a new 64 and a half.
• 10:33
  Speaker 4: It sounds like a deal to me, right, yeah, exactly.
• 10:35
  Speaker 3: They just they'd had the car for a long time.
• 10:38
  Speaker 3: It was just a mustang to them.
• 10:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, in fact, you know the store.
• 10:42
  Speaker 3: This is serial number 140.
• 10:44
  Speaker 3: They weren't built in VIN number order either.
• 10:48
  Speaker 3: They were just because Ford put out 200 VINs and said build the cars and they're done in a warehouse.
• 10:54
  Speaker 3: Serial number one the actual serial number one was built after this car was bought by a Pan Am pilot and the Henry Ford Museum in about 2010 decided they wanted that car and that he did well.
• 11:09
  Speaker 1: Is that the white one?
• 11:10
  Speaker 1: Is that the white one?
• 11:10
  Speaker 1: That's in there, it is.
• 11:11
  Speaker 3: It's the white one.
• 11:12
  Speaker 1: And that's.
• 11:13
  Speaker 3: that is VIN number one, and Ford chased down that Pan Am pilot, got it back and he had him a nice return.
• 11:21
  Speaker 2: So what is the value of something like this?
• 11:24
  Speaker 3: You know it could be to the right guy.
• 11:28
  Speaker 3: Upper six figure car could be.
• 11:31
  Speaker 3: It's hard to tell, you know, because, like anything in these real weird low production things, it's the right buyer on the right day.
• 11:41
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 11:41
  Speaker 4: You know correct.
• 11:43
  Speaker 4: Like Ford, looking for that one number one they're willing to pay for that Exactly have you had conversations with Ford about this car.
• 11:50
  Speaker 3: This car actually has been both at the Henry Ford Museum.
• 11:55
  Speaker 4: They've on display.
• 11:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they, I displayed it there.
• 11:58
  Speaker 3: It was at the Peterson.
• 12:00
  Speaker 2: Oh wow.
• 12:01
  Speaker 3: How cool is that, and so it's.
• 12:03
  Speaker 3: It's had some, you know, national prominence.
• 12:06
  Speaker 3: It's been at Audrain, it's been at Amelia Island.
• 12:09
  Speaker 3: I just took it to the Mustang Club of America, you know, and I like to show the cars, that's my hobby.
• 12:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, because you've probably watched.
• 12:19
  Speaker 3: I like to polish.
• 12:22
  Speaker 2: I was going to say, since you've been here, there's another layer of dust floating on there.
• 12:26
  Speaker 2: You might want to take care of that.
• 12:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
• 12:30
  Speaker 3: Now I try and keep it clean.
• 12:32
  Speaker 3: You know, the irony is is I've owned the car a long time.
• 12:36
  Speaker 3: I've probably driven it a hundred miles, the whole ownership.
• 12:41
  Speaker 4: Just up and down the driveway to get pretty much, you know.
• 12:45
  Speaker 3: And so when I was bringing it in here right at rise, I'm getting my fire marshal inspection to come in the building and I smell fuel and it's leaking.
• 12:54
  Speaker 3: You saw it, you know.
• 12:56
  Speaker 3: And the accelerator pump, it just decided to let go, wow.
• 12:59
  Speaker 3: So I came in here yesterday and took the carburetor off and changed the accelerator pump, put it back on.
• 13:05
  Speaker 2: Fix that.
• 13:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 13:07
  Speaker 4: A few leak when the fire marshal was about to effect the car.
• 13:10
  Speaker 1: Wasn't that perfect the car's going nanananaboo boo.
• 13:14
  Speaker 4: Exactly Hold my beer.
• 13:16
  Speaker 4: Watch this.
• 13:16
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 13:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean only that would happen to me.
• 13:20
  Speaker 3: That's cool.
• 13:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, and I and I love Mustangs.
• 13:24
  Speaker 3: I started.
• 13:25
  Speaker 3: I've always had an affinity for them.
• 13:27
  Speaker 3: I worked, I started.
• 13:30
  Speaker 3: My very first job was a car mechanic here at Russell Smith Ford.
• 13:34
  Speaker 4: Oh, wow.
• 13:35
  Speaker 3: And that's where I started out.
• 13:36
  Speaker 3: And I did that for a 76, 77 and I said need to go to college.
• 13:43
  Speaker 3: You know, pulling wrenches isn't as much fun when you got to do it for a living.
• 13:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 13:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm a pretty good wrencher, but I think I, you know, I was better out letting other people do it.
• 13:58
  Speaker 3: Yes, yeah.
• 14:00
  Speaker 1: I know about that yeah.
• 14:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but but I just love, I have a bunch of Mustangs and I like, and I just like Ford.
• 14:10
  Speaker 3: Are you local?
• 14:11
  Speaker 3: I am, I am, I've you know, Randy Wilden.
• 14:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm born and raised here.
• 14:19
  Speaker 3: I'm a Westbury high school grad.
• 14:21
  Speaker 2: Oh, my goodness.
• 14:25
  Speaker 3: Where are you?
• 14:26
  Speaker 3: Are you from here, Don?
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: I graduated from Westbury high school also.
• 14:31
  Speaker 4: Uh-huh, see, probably 20 years before you.
• 14:33
  Speaker 4: What year were you?
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: 80.
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: Okay, his is 1880.
• 14:38
  Speaker 3: Pretty much, yeah.
• 14:39
  Speaker 3: What year did you graduate?
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: 1970.
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: Thank you for asking.
• 14:43
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, because I grew up right off Hillcroft and Brayswood.
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: Okay, well, I was down the way.
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: I'm over off of Luddington in Hillcroft.
• 14:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 14:55
  Speaker 3: Where'd you go to elementary?
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: I went to Andy Anderson Elementary in Albert Sydney.
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: Johnston junior high school.
• 15:01
  Speaker 3: Johnston for me.
• 15:02
  Speaker 3: Here's the crazy thing about Houston.
• 15:05
  Speaker 3: In that day, my brother and I are 18 months apart.
• 15:08
  Speaker 3: He went to Coulter Yep, I went to Elrod, he went to Fondren, I went to Johnston.
• 15:15
  Speaker 3: He went to Bel Air, I went to Westbury.
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: We lived in the same house with the same parents.
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: Oh, they drew the lines back then A lot.
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: They didn't love you.
• 15:26
  Speaker 3: No, well, and I try.
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: They had this magnet school program by the time I went to high school, where you, bel Air, became a foreign language school and you could transfer.
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: And I wanted to transfer on foreign language and when they found out I was David Lipper's little brother, they said pass.
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: We had that.
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: We don't want it again.
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: Do you mention that to him?
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: often yeah, and it's crazy he's.
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: You know my brother.
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: You'd think I would be the bad guy and he'd be the good guy, but he's a rabbi.
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: So who knows?
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: They heard the language he was using.
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: When he told my grandmother he's gonna be a rabbi, my grandmother said I'm so disappointed.
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, your younger brother's gonna be a car mechanic.
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: That's a great idea.
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, get Jim's attention.
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: Hey, jim, jim, jim, tilly Jim.
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: Tilly.
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: Right there, you go, right there.
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: Those are you guys, these two characters.
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly yeah, so you know we.
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: So we got off to Westbury High School and everything else and I sat down here talking about Mustangs.
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: Is there anything else I can tell you guys about the car?
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: Well, what options are on that car that were over and above the standard car?
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: Well, interesting.
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: So if you go look, it's got a Thunderbird power steering pump.
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: So very you know it has power steering, it has power brakes, but they did it does not have.
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: Usually you would get an electric top if you got a car loaded out like that.
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: This car does not have an electric top because they hadn't figured it out yet.
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: It does have radio was an option and oddly enough it's got a rally pack.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: Huh, and what?
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: What was included in the rally pack?
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: Well, in most Mustangs you got the rally pack and the GT appearance package, which were the fog lights in the grill and the exhaust that came through the rear valence.
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: But this car has the wheel covers or the wheels?
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly this one has just the rally pack.
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: One other thing about this car that makes it pretty unique is the wheel covers.
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: If you look, they've got spinners on them.
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: I saw that that did not last in production because they decided that was dangerous.
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: You know knockoff wheels.
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, chariot races.
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: You know you get into that with against the Camaros or something.
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: You know, I always wondered when you hit somebody and that knockoff hit them, how much more injured were they?
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: Exactly, oh, at least a million dollars.
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: Who's running that study in?
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: 1960?
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: And now you look at the cars today and they've got the wires that stick out Exactly 13, 14 inches from the hub.
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know they took it off.
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: They just made it flat, mustang.
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: No, no spinner.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: We're fixing it right out of time.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: But you mentioned you had a couple of other Mustangs.
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: Yes, sir, I own, I have a Boss 9.
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: Oh wow, I have a 65, 67 and nine Shelby's and the Crumb to the Crumb and this will make you laugh I have a set.
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: It was here a couple years ago.
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: I have a 78 Mustang to King Cobra that is unrestored survivor and you know those cars all became melted down to drill pipe.
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: right, yeah, if unique is what you seek, that is one.
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: And what's funny is is this one never got left out in the sun.
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: So the plastic is all good, you know, and I just love the car because you pull up and people call it a pinto and I'm like it is not.
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: It's better than a pinto, it's not on fire, it says Blusting.
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: Well, the.
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: King Cobra had the V8.
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: It did 100 and 57 horsepower, 302.
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you, you, uh now they have three cylinders with more horsepower than that you know.
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: The funny thing is, if you get in it, you turn on the air conditioning, which oddly enough still works.
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: I think it probably takes it down to about 120 horsepower, and then when you figure out the bad gearing they put in the car, it just.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: It sucks the life out of it.
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a weasel.
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, my wife has your average Mercedes.
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: That would leave it in the dust, you know, just leaves it in the dust, but but it's fun.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: Eric, thanks so much for stopping by.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Well, thanks so much for the great story.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: And if you're listening and Eric coming down to the show, it's right in front of the in wheel time booth here at the George R Brown convention center of Ottawa.
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: Don't miss it.
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: Congratulations on an awesome car.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: It's the thank you guys, my fellow West Barri and hook them, All right.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: Eric, thanks again.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: Thank you Time out for this hour's car review.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: Had a chance to drive the 2024 Jeep Compass.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: It comes in these trim levels sport latitude, latitude locks limited and trailhawk.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: That's a lot.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: My review is on the altitude 4x4.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: You notice that you didn't see or hear that in there.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: This is a new trim level that may replace the latitude, but this is the altitude, some kind of to do it.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an attitude, what it is?
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: Small SUV seats five.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: This is part of the second generation model.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: That was all new for 2017.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Sharp looking Jeep face with the seven slot grille.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: Painted wheel opening moldings, which is different.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: Of course, this is an upper trim level.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: Lower side moldings as well are included in the paint.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: Two tone roof rails adds a new upscale look to it.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: It has a very off roady kind of look.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Without the trailhawk package, Trailhawk is upper tier, all the way off road looking.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, off road looking stance is what it's got as well.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: Sharp, all trim level.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Shop all the trim levels and the pricing on all of those because, as you'll see when I tell you the price, there is a significant.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: They are significant.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: So shop it.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: Make sure that you got the stuff on there that you really want.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: Now, as far as interior is concerned, extra large infotainment screen, the center dash we like the two tone materials on this trim level.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Overall clean design.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: Passive phone charger underneath the center dash, which is good.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: I like it there.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: Get the phone out of the way it charges.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: You forget about it.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: Then it's all right there if you need to have your phone in your hand.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: Cargo room adequate even with the second row seat up, which is different because usually in a small SUV like this that second row takes up that area in there, what they call the cargo area.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: But I liked about it the roominess because it is a small SUV.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: It has a two liter turbocharged four cylinder engine that puts out 200 horsepower in 221 pound feet of torque through an eight speed automatic transmission.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: Till rating is up to one ton, not bad.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Well, 24 miles per gallon city is what it's rated, 32 on the highway for, combined to 27.
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: I got 28.2 miles per gallon over 259 miles Because you know, it's because you don't drive like Mars.
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: What?
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: I got 28.2 miles, most of it on the high Well, the loop, the tollway, yeah.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: So there's that what I liked about it, the mileage, what could use improvement.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: The transmission does get confused at times if you expect quick downshifts, and the start stop feature can be annoying.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: It depends on what you're doing with it, where you're driving, whether you turn the start stop off.
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: Leave it on.
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: Start stop can be annoying on anything.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it can be.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: There are some vehicles that you can't even tell that they're starting and stopping.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: So ride and handling.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: We like the suspension compliance.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: What could use improvement?
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: We don't think anything.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Base trim price $32,670.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: That's the base trim price.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: Price is tested $41,905.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Now, remember, this is a more upscale trim level, so you're going to pay for that.
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: It's got attitude.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's got $9,000 bump on that Base model price.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: You can get in one of these for $28,400 if you can find one or order it.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: Competitors include the Mazda CX50.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: It starts at $30,300.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: The Honda CR-V goes for $29,500 and the Subaru Forester I guess you could throw that in the mix as well, because it's also a small SUV for $27,095.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: And that is my review of the Jeep Compass Altitude 4x4.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: All right Questions no.
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: Do you like?
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: it.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: Mars is looking at me with those loving eyes, and I'm not exaggerating.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: Is that puppy dog eyes?
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: I'm not sure what that's about.
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: No, no, I was just thinking about.
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: You know, I drove that vehicle also and I thought it was it's very Jeep, it's Jeep.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: It's Jeep.
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: Yes it is it's Jeep.
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: It's a good way to put it.
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: It is so it's a firm ride.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: It's not necessarily a firm ride.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: I would not put it.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: It's an offer.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: Look, Jeep is known for its off-roadiness.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: The brand is, but not all of the vehicles are off-roady built Right.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: They're not all built for off-road.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: They might say, they can do all-wheel drive or something.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: And they can do.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: They can do that, but oh, they have.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: People have a mindset.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: Right, they can't do Jeep.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: If you want an off-roader in the Jeep line, get the Wrangler Body on frame.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: I mean old school, but it's got all the modern stuff on it, right, right.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: And so I don't know, now was it?
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: There's a front-wheel drive, right?
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: Yes, okay.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: So there, you have it All right.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: That's my review of the Jeep.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: Now let's do the cruising calendar.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: If you don't mind, sir.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: Next weekend is Craig's chrome and coffee out at the Avalon Diner on the Southwest Freeway.
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: And as well as the car social.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Golf course.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: That is a cruising as well yes.
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: Black Friday at Ruby's barbecue was last night.
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: Well, that's last night, yeah, but I heard they had a real big turnout.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great.
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: The ribs were great.
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: The ribs were great.
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, still feeling them this morning, but it was last night Electric and exotics in Magnolia, texas, at Garages of America is tomorrow at 9 am.
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: Also tomorrow at 10 am is rides and coffee in Spring, texas Grand Central Park.
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: Car show is in Conroe at 3 pm tomorrow, also at 4 pm tomorrow is the Umami Fest Eat Sleep Car Meet.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: Eat a mommy, eat a mommy, eat a mommy, eat a mommy, eat a mommy.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: You can buy that at the H-E-B, and two weeks ago there was this car review that.
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: Yes, that's right, and one for Jeffrey is Cadillacs and Coffee at 1519 Fulton.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: Street.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: That should have led the story.
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: In Houston and it's a On Fulton.
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: On Fulton it's a Cadillac only cruising.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: And it starts at midnight.
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: No, it starts at 8 am.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: Anything else.
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: Rides and coffee at the Detail Garage.
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: I thought you were about to fall asleep there for a minute.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: Okay thank you.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: The Inwheel.
• 27:18
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• 27:18
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• 27:22
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• 27:24
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• 27:32
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• 27:37
  Speaker 1: What did you say, barnes?
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I lost my voice.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: What do you?
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: You said something I'm looking, I'm looking.
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's also.
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: We also have the.
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: You can get the audio and video podcast, two different podcasts now on YouTube Podcasts.
• 27:50
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• 27:52
  Speaker 4: All right, theoretically.
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: Theoretically, I think it's time for us to take a break.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: And, yeah, fix our mouths Podcast.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: Right back here on the Inwheel Time Car Talk show.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: Houston's finest cars are invited to another Gulf Coast Auto Shield Car Social Saturday, december 2nd, and you're invited too.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: Show off your personal pride and joy, or just stop in to see the likes of Lucid Lamborghini, porsche, ferrari and more.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: Gulf Coast Auto Shield is your one stop shop for paint, detailing, coatings, window tint, clear bras and wheel repair.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: The Car Social is your opportunity to get a tour of this state of the art facility, located at 11275 South Sam Houston Parkway, just south of the Southwest Freeway.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: It all takes place Saturday, december 2nd, 9 to noon.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: This is the perfect opportunity to connect with other car enthusiasts, from BMWs to, mentally, corvettes to McLaren's.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: The Car Social is a different kind of show Talk to the owners.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: See Gulf Coast Auto Shield's facility.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: You'll be amazed.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: Put it on your calendar now the Gulf Coast Auto Shield Car Social Saturday, december 2nd, 9 to noon at 11275 South Sam Houston Parkway, just south of the Southwest Freeway.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: The In-Wheel Time Car Talk Show will be there too.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: We'll see you then.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: Hey Houston, america's greatest hot rod tradition is back Thanksgiving weekend the O'Reilly Auto Parts on O'Rama at the George R Brown Convention Center.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: Four action packed days of hot rods, customs classics trucks and performance cars.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: The Ultimate Low Rider.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: Showcase sponsored by Shorties Hydraulics, see Lone Star Throwdowns, Texas-sized truck spread.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: And don't miss the traditional rod and custom section Friday, saturday and Sunday see wild, high flying freestyle motocross stunt shows.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: Shop the Swat Meat and Women's World all weekend On the celebrity stage presented by Nick's auto repair and classic car restoration.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: Friday meet AEW Tag Team Superstars, the Lucha Bros.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: Saturday it's Noel G Hector from the Fast and Furious.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Sunday it's Lou Ferrigno, the original, incredible Hulk.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: The O'Reilly Auto Parts O'Rama this weekend at the George R Brown Convention Center.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: Discount tickets at O'Reilly Auto Parts, part of the summer racing equipment show car series see auto-ramacom for more info.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: The original group of loopy tortilla restaurants will have you telling your family and friends just what the original recipes mean when it comes to the best fajitas in Southeast Texas.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: Founders Stan Holt invite you to visit the original loopy tortilla near I-10 and Highway 6.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: Here's the original house that inspired the design of all the rest and the original charm that helped make loopy tortilla the go-to destination for Houston Tex-Mex.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Speaking of original, nothing can compete with the original lime pepper marinade that everyone will agree makes loopy tortilla award-winning beef fajitas, the best anywhere.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: Loopy Tortilla Katie is another location that gives you the same quality and service Houstonians have come to expect at loopies.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: It's located just off I-10, in the Grand Parkway.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: At Kingsland Boulevard in Katie, find yourself an Aggie Land.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: Head to the loopy tortilla in College Station, located just around the corner from Kyle Field.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: It's a great place to enjoy those famous frozen margaritas before or after the game.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Head to East, to Louisiana.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: Stop in at the loopy tortilla in Beaumont.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: It twos on I-10, but can't miss it.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: The original group of loopy tortilla restaurants invites you in for the best Tex-Mex anywhere.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: That's it for this podcast episode of the In Wheel Time Car Show.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: I'm Don Armstrong, inviting you to join us for our live show every Saturday morning 8 to 11 am central on Facebook, youtube, twitch and our InWheelTimecom website.
• 31:16
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