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Ep. 18 | Truth About Nephilim | w/ The Christian Theological Dark Web | Fellowship Of The Fringe · Sasquatch & Sourdough

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  SPEAKER_07: Welcome to Fellowship of the Fringe.
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  SPEAKER_07: A place where believers and seekers meet.
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  SPEAKER_07: To question existence.
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  SPEAKER_00: Do you believe in God?
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  SPEAKER_07: The supernatural life.
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  SPEAKER_00: You can deny all the things I've seen.
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  SPEAKER_00: Cherry Pie.
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  SPEAKER_00: All the things I've discovered, but not for much longer.
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  SPEAKER_02: Everything.
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  SPEAKER_00: Do you remember something in the Bible about the last days when the dead mass and green?
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  SPEAKER_00: So many others know what's happening out there.
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  SPEAKER_07: Well, welcome back to Sasquatch in Sourdough.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_07: I am your host, Christina, and this is another installment of Fellowship of the Fringe.
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  SPEAKER_07: And today I have some very special guests that I just met, and we've been talking for like a long time, and I'm already excited.
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_07: Uh so from the Christian theological dark web, I have nice to hear her name get it right.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_07: I'm reading it.
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  SPEAKER_07: I'm cheating.
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  SPEAKER_01: You can cheat as long as it's just still nice to hear someone say our name right.
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  SPEAKER_07: It's for Christian dark web.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, or they're like Christian Dark Web.
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  SPEAKER_07: The C T D W.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_07: There you go.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_07: I ruined that.
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  SPEAKER_07: So Shelly and Ricky.
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  SPEAKER_08: I ruin it all the time too.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_08: You're not alone.
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  SPEAKER_08: Welcome, guys.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks.
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_01: It's wonderful to be on.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_01: Um you, I don't understand the sourdough.
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_01: What is the sourdough?
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_07: Okay, so I'm gonna this is gonna be I'm gonna see, you know why?
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_07: Because Shelly listens to the content.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_07: And I said I really enjoyed this podcast.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_07: So this is the this is like the litmus test um that I've kind of discovered is like when people just kind of look at it and they're like, oh, it's asquatching sourdough.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_07: She loves to make sourdough.
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_07: And I'm like, nope, you never listened, because all I do is talk about how much I cannot do sourdough.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_07: So the name came up because like when I was kind of getting the stirring for to do something, like to create something, like God had something on my heart.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_07: Uh, it was like uh 1 Thessalonians 4 11, that verse that's like, um, I always get it wrong.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_07: It's like just like mind your own business, like live a quiet life, aspire to live a quiet life, mind your own business, and to work with your hands.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_07: And I like love that.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_07: And so I started from that, like I thought, like, oh, maybe I'll make like sweet lady Christian content where I'm just gonna like start making sourdough and give people Bible verses while I'm doing it.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_08: Exactly.
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_08: Make the chalibrit.
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_01: I thought it had something to do with you know, Sasquatch liking sourdough or something.
• 3:10
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, well, maybe Sasquatch is into sourdough.
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_08: She does.
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_08: Who doesn't like sourdough?
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_08: Who doesn't like sourdough?
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_08: Sourdough source.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_08: No, I don't like making it.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_01: No, making it got it, got it.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's not a good thing.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_08: So my daughter got me a I do, I totally get it.
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_08: My daughter got me a starter.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_01: Two girls, one guy.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_01: What can I say?
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry, ladies.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_08: Usually it's the opposite for me, and I'm surrounded by all the dudes.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_08: So I am loving this.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_08: Um my daughter got me sourdough starter, and then she took it back and she started starter and started making sourdough, and then I got my younger son to make it for me.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_08: So wonderful because I like having sourdough.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_08: I like having it fresh, I like being able to use or I eat organic with it.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_08: Yes.
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_07: I love I mean I love it in theory, but it's just so much hassle.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_07: It doesn't work.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_07: And I thought like I was like, oh, this is great because it's like the folk method.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_07: Like, so when I I I like eons ago, I took like an herbology class.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_07: Like I'm really, really bad with like measuring and cooking and following directions.
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_07: So when I was like really into like herbology and like making things with like herbs, your tinctures and ointments.
• 4:26
  SPEAKER_07: My favorite thing was like, oh, it just it's just the folk method.
• 4:29
  SPEAKER_07: Just take a handful, and I was like, Oh, I that's how I that's how I do things.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_07: That's how I do it.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_07: And I thought, like, oh, sourdough is super easy.
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_07: Actually, it was um d have you guys uh ever heard of the Sheologians podcast?
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_08: So they're one of the first Christian podcasts I ever listened to.
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_08: Me too.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_08: I was re-evaluating my eschatology because I I've I have uh I don't know, pretty firm eschatology, but I was like, why do I think what I think?
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_08: And I was like, I need to find some good eschatological teachers and see what what they say so I can reevaluate like why I believe what I believe.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_08: You know what I mean?
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  SPEAKER_08: And so this the theologians were on and they mentioned, and Ricky will know this one, um uh Joel uh Richardson.
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
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  SPEAKER_08: And the wine his his wine press.
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_08: Oh, he's wonderful.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_01: He wrote he's written a lot of books.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_01: And he certainly has.
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  SPEAKER_08: Ricky's read more of them than I have.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's yeah, he's he's got a lot a lot of books.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_01: He's he's just a really solid theologian in general.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_01: He just I don't know what else say.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's written a whole lot about the end times, the Jews in the end times.
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_01: I wrote the book, I I read the book, uh uh what was it shall Jesus Jesus was I don't know, was Jesus was Jewish or something like that.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_01: The um it it basically breaks down when a Jew rules the world as yeah, when a Jew rules the world.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's what it was.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_01: That's exactly what it was.
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_01: So it you know, it just breaks down all the prophecies, why they're relevant, how they fit together, so on and so forth.
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, very good stuff.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_07: I found wonderful.
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_07: I loved theologians because like when I first like came to Christ, it was like you have no framework.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_07: You know, I I was hungry and I wanted to like really understand things.
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_07: And I just I like loved their banter.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_07: But so Summer Yeager was always talking about her sourdough, and she's like, if I can do it, anybody can do it.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_07: It's so easy to solve it.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_07: She's like, I just throw it, I just throw flour in a you know, bucket and pour water on it, and it's like I leave it alone and forget about it.
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_07: So I was like, okay, well, if she can do it and have confidence, then surely I can.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_07: But there's something wrong with like my kitchen, I think.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_07: I think it's just like the air you know, like it's either too cold or too hot.
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_08: Sourdough is not easy to make.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_08: No, it's not at all.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_07: And nobody will give me any tips.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_08: The tips are pay somebody else to make it for you.
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_07: No, yeah.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_07: I'm so it, but it's just anyway, it's really funny because everybody's just like, oh sourdough.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_08: It is a super catchy name.
• 7:15
  SPEAKER_08: And I was like, Oh, I really need to check this out.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_08: And then I started listening to you, and I was like, Oh, oh yeah, I get this.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_08: I really enjoyed your hollow your Halloween, your sleepy hollow.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_08: Oh, thank you.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_08: It was a lot of fun, and your your friend is um very entertaining.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_08: Crystals, yeah.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_08: You guys bantered so well.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_08: We have very different past.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_08: Thank you.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_07: We're very, we're very different spiritually.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_07: Um so that's kind of why like that's kind of why I was like, you know what?
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_07: I'm gonna have like that sort of stuff.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_07: Like, I still want to tell the stories, I still want people to come on and be entertained and have a little like light, you know, some joy because everything right now on everybody's feed is just terribly dark.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_08: And that's what social media is it the goal of social media according to the outcome of the consumption of social media is fear and distrust.
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_08: Regardless of what side you're on, um the algorithms that feed you in your social media are are are are geared to uh put you in an echo chamber and fill you with fear.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_08: And they do a very good job of it.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_08: And and saying that, but I also I love that we can meet each other.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_08: We meet each other through social media.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_08: And um we have we have met uh really some of the coolest people that I'm so excited to spend eternity getting to know better through social media.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_08: So I cannot say it is all evil, it's a tool, but let me tell you, the prince of the power of the air understands the airwaves and understands social media and he understands uh entertainment and um so and and that's where you know the Christian theological dark web that's that's where our name uh um has meaning.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_08: We uh we understand the uh the enemy uh of God uh controls this.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_08: So we're gonna go and delve in the darkness and bring it to the light, as as the word says, everything done in dark will be um brought into the light.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_08: And and so that's what we want to do for God's renown and not for people to be filled with fear.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_08: Um I mean we'll we'll we'll tackle uh the difficult um topics, no problem.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, we'll do it.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_08: But in the end, God is bigger than the boogeyman.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, yeah, we'll we'll all just go back to that uh what was that uh kids' cartoon called?
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_08: Uh Veggie Tales.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_08: God is bigger than the boogeyman.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_08: That it it it's true.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_08: You know what?
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_08: And sometimes we have Veggie Tales.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_08: Sorry, Shelly, I'm really excited about Veggie Tales.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_08: I really do too.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_08: And God is bigger than the boogeyman, but the boogeyman does not want us to know that.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_08: And so he parades around uh looking big and bad.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_08: And uh if uh as Christians we don't understand who God is and who he has called us to be, man, we can be shaken in our boots.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_08: We can do one of two things.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_08: We can shake in our boots or uh we can pretend like he doesn't exist and go around with a false bravado.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_08: So then we don't know our enemy.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_08: When we know our enemy, we know that he is he is nothing or our God is gigantic, but he is the God of this uh world for the time being.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_08: But Jesus took that power back away from him standing at uh at the foot of Mount Hermon in in uh Caesarea Philippi when he said, On this rock I will build my church.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_08: He was talking about the planet, he wasn't talking about Peter, but we won't get into that today.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_08: Um but he took he took back that power for us, and if we um understand it and walk in it, and it's kind of a uh dichotomy because it's like he is powerful and he is the god of this planet, but my God is more powerful, his spirit resides in me and he's not my god, even though I'm on this planet.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_08: And it's hard to remember um how to how to do that all the time, you know.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_08: I think we slip quite frequently and think, oh, you know, uh the enemy's gonna do X, Y, or Z.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_08: I've made him mad, he knows my name.
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_08: I'm gonna keep standing at the gates of hell, redirect traffic.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_08: Um, I know he doesn't like it.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_08: I know he knows who I am.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_08: What thing is he gonna do?
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_08: And then I have to remember, um, I can't control God and I can't tell God what to do, nor do I want to, because who wants to serve that kind of puny deity?
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_08: Um but I want to walk in the power that he has given me, in the authority that he has given me.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_08: And and it's a hard thing.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_08: It's a hard thing to wrestle with.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_08: I wrestle with it all the time.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_08: It is just not something that is like, oh yeah, no big deal.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_08: I remember this all the time.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_08: I don't.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_08: I have to be reminded constantly of this.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_01: It's um I'm gonna bring it back to what you were talking about, just about about there being I don't know if you we mentioned this off-camera, uh, or you mentioned it off camera if it was when we started talking, but I think it was off-camera.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_01: You said that the aliens and Nephilim are gonna, you know, all blend into one thing and then not being important anymore.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_01: Um one of the things that Shelly and I have really come to harp on is not the obs not to not to maintain an obsession with the Nephilim and the aliens and the interplay between, you know, angels that have fallen and sinned and impregnated and blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_01: And the cutting of roots and the blah blah blah.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_01: All that stuff is cool and it's interesting and it makes sense of what's going on in our universe, right?
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_01: But all that is for not if we're not going to use it to share the gospel.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_07: Absolutely.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_01: Um, we have a behind the paywall um devotional that we do called the Divine Council Devotional.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_01: And we incorporate the Divine Counsel into all of our thought and into all of the way we manage a devotion.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_01: And I have countless times, uh actually, I think now that I think about it, you said we don't have to do praise reports.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_01: Actually, I I guess we don't really call him that.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_01: But I we share though.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we do share it.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_01: Um today I was like, I I met this guy that I didn't meet him, but we were talking.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_01: We kind of got a chance to kind of delve into stuff a little bit.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_01: Uh he he works at the uh the court where I work as well.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_01: And one of the many.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_01: And uh he he mentioned that oh, I told him, you know, kind of what we do and kind of what we study, and and uh and he we got into it because we started talking about history, and he's like, Yeah, if you understand history, then you know you tend not to get as angry about things going on at the moment.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_01: And I go, Yeah, that's a good point, that's a really good point.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_01: And so I started kind of talking to him and and uh told him, you know, I I do believe in the Bible, I got that's my basis, and blah blah blah.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_01: And that's always a litmus test for me because if you tell somebody you believe in the Bible, they'll either go, or they'll go, Oh, really?
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_01: It's one of the two.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_01: And they want to know why.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_01: You know, even if they are a Christian, they want to know why.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_08: Because they've already figured out you're intelligent as you've been talking to them.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_08: So, you know, it's not like, oh, he's a nut jobber yet.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_07: Well, oh, and you're and you've got like, you know, you've got like tattoos, like you look like a cool guy, you know.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_07: So that's kind of already.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_01: Got past the first test.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_01: Um so we got to talking, and and I go, you know, and I go, that's why it's uh uh so kind of clarify too.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, you know, you probably noticed my name down there and you're like, I don't know, what the heck?
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_01: Well, um I do speak multiple languages, not to toot my horn, but there's a reason I call myself that, uh, because it's actually factual.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_01: Polyglot.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_01: Um I said, you polyglot.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_01: You polyglot, you son of a polyglot.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_01: Um and so I told him, I was like, one of my favorite things is etymology because it teaches us where things come from and we figure out what they actually mean and what they meant and why they mean what they mean now, and so on and so forth.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_01: And so I don't know how we got into it.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_01: And I go, Yeah, for example, one of the things that you know that he we started talking about history, he's like, well, it's obfuscated.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_01: And I go, yeah, it's he's like, it's intentionally obfuscated.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, well, now we can really talk.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_01: And and so I go, turn to Genesis 6 for me.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_01: Have you ever read that that passage?
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_01: And he goes, What do you mean?
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_01: I go, open it.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_01: So he's or I go, I'll open it for you.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_01: He goes, No, actually, I have it.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_01: And that's when I found out he was a Christian.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, Nice, okay.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_01: So he starts reading it, and he goes, and there were giants in those days, and he kind of just like was like, What?
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_01: Like he was kind of like his eyes kind of bugged out a little bit.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_01: He wasn't freaked out, but he was like surprised to read it.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_01: I go, Yeah, yeah, I probably didn't expect to see that there, did you?
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_01: No, and I went, well, let's look at this version.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_01: And he's like, Okay.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_01: And my point with all this is I actually do use the divine counsel worldview to share the gospel.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_01: I I don't think uh to me, dude, to me, the divine counsel is is like ammo to your machine gun.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_01: That's what it is.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_01: Like it gives you firepower because people are like, yeah, but the gods this and they you know this is everything.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_01: And you're like, sure, absolutely.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_01: Let's talk ancient, let's talk ancient history.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_01: Bring it on.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_01: Um everybody stemmed from the same stuff and they all call it different things.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_01: And then people are like, Well, what is what do you mean?
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_01: And so you like I have I have literally, I remember I told Shell back in April, I I had a a copy of uh Derek Gilbert's one of Derek's Gilbert's books, and some lady looked at it, she was a hairdresser, and she's like, What's your book about?
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, Well, think of it as the return version of Game of Thrones, I guess.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_01: And she was like, Okay.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_01: And so she like took her break and I started sharing the gospel with her.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, like, to me, that's that's what this is for.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_01: And so you can learn about all these things, they're very cool.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_01: But if you if you don't make them coalesce into something and you don't understand what the gospel message is or what it's for, or why all those things are relevant, then they're just pieces of of a puzzle.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I commented on, and then my last thing I'm gonna say, and I'll let you guys talk.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_01: I commented on a buddy's page the other day, um who will remain nameless.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_01: He said he he was sharing about, you know, the divine counsel or something.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and uh and I said, Go dude, use that divine counsel to to put forth the gospel.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_01: And he put a heart there, and I was like, I don't think you understand how important what you're doing is.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_01: Like you're you're selling the Bible short when you don't tell the story, dude.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_01: You have to tell the whole story.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_07: So I want to just kind of give you like so that's exactly like kind of my whole thought behind this, because I definitely I'm not saying that like I get bored, but I really I pick up on trends extremely quickly.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_07: Like, so when things get trendy, uh, it doesn't pass the smell test to me anymore.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_07: Like, I'm just kind of like because you've got to remember, you know, I'm coming out of like, and I just talked about this like with the the guys on like the unrefined podcast like last night.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_07: It's just like yeah, they're super awesome.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_07: And like I was like, the thing is when you come from unbelief, like I'm not even I don't even need to like name the stuff that like I believed in because it was just such because it's just whatever.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_07: If you're not filled with the Holy Spirit, you're gonna grasp for whatever.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_07: You're an empty vessel.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_01: The old adage, right?
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_01: Like if you don't believe in anything, you'll fall for anything, right?
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, if you don't believe in something, you'll fall for anything.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_07: So with that, like this is kind of where I think God really this is where like I feel like the seed got planted because I was learning all this stuff, and you know, then you get to like revelation and everything.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_07: And he kept giving me the word remnant, remnant, you know, and to me you wanted to go watch remnant radio.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_01: I'm kidding.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_07: And then I became a Calvinist, and I'm just kidding.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_07: Like, no, I mean I did have like I talked about that last night, like I came out of like a religious spirit and all that stuff.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_07: But the thing is, like, if if the Bible is like if if it's true, if all if it's gonna happen, if you know, Jesus is gonna come back, if all Because the Bible is true, let's rephrase that.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_01: Because the Bible is true and Jesus is gonna come back.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_01: I know what you're meaning.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you're giving a hypothetical, I get it.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_07: Right.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_07: That's that was my thinking, you know.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I see.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_07: So with that, if I'm thinking that way, I'm coming out of unbelief and I'm learning all these things.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_07: So yeah, okay, great.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_07: It's gonna get weird.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_07: It's gonna get weirder and weirder and weirder and weirder.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_07: And then you're gonna have all these people because we ask for that, we pray for that.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_07: Like, God, yeah, I want to see people see you.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_07: I want to see people to I want people to come to know you.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_07: Right.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_07: Um, when the really weird like people that were Ghostbusters and looking into the paranormal and like super have some really crazy trauma from their spiritual abuse that happened, whatever.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, who's ministering to those people and how are they doing it?
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_07: Right?
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_05: Yep, right, right, how are they doing it?
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_07: And I don't think that it is probably really fruitful to just kind of keep them in the cycle of like, look at this scary Nephilim, look at this, because then we're just looking at the monsters again.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_07: Like Vicky Joy talks about that all the time.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_07: Right.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_07: Like, right, we're just looking at the monsters again.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe that's why we've never deep dived on any particular cryptid.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_01: Like we talk about cryptids every once in a while, but I just don't really I mean it's cool and I'm okay with it, but like I want to understand why what that what that means.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_07: Like, what do we do with it now?
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_07: Now what?
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_01: Like that's fun to talk about, but uh uh
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_07: And then and everybody's doing it.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_07: So now everyone's doing it.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_07: So now you've got um, you know, like who was it just the other day?
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_07: Like, oh, there's uh Taylor Welch.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_07: Are you familiar with him?
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_07: I love him.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_07: The deep end, like that's awesome.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, yeah.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_07: He's like, he's pretty, you know, like not fringe, but like he's kind of like, you know, pretty fringe.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_07: Well, he was not at fringe.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_01: He is now mainstream.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_01: He is now, but yeah, yeah.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_01: He's he's he's not well, I don't know, but like I've been I don't know if you guys have seen all the commercials he's been making as of late, like promoting business and stuff like that, like crazy, which kind of he does.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_01: So he's he's not he kind of came into this space because there's there's space to be had.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, just call me.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_07: No, sure.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_07: But he's talking about the Nephilim away from it.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_01: Sure, sure.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_01: He sure is.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_07: So let's think about that.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_07: Like, I want to just kind of like that's one thing that I was just thinking about red flag, red flag, red flag.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_07: No, I don't really want to talk about them, but I just want to like let's put this in perspective, right?
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_07: Like, so you've got he's talking about the Nephilim.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_07: Um, we've got people in uh like Congress talking about the Nephilim.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_07: Like, I don't know if you guys saw that.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_07: Like you've got like it was during like I think it was the UFO exposure disposal exposure or whatever.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_07: Um, some congresswoman was brought up the Nephilim.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_07: Um you've got like not Charlie Kirk.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_07: Um, who is it?
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_07: Oh my gosh.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_07: Tucker Carlson.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, Roseanne Barr talks about it.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_07: We're all talking about the Nephilim, and that's really interesting to me.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_07: Like, I just red flag.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_08: There's there's a reason, yeah, and the reason I I can give you the reason.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_08: We give this reason because it really does it matters.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_08: They matter because we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities and powers and spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_08: That and we we overlook that.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_08: This scripture is constantly um downplayed and humanized, and um the end result is we'll pray more.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_08: Well, pray more, make make sure that you're prayed up.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_08: So when when you're attacked by the devil, you went right to a sound.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_08: You went right to a southern accent, Shelley.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_08: I did oh I totally did it on purpose.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_01: So there oh, I'm not I'm not trying to run quite short.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_08: No, I know right.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_08: Um so there there is value in this because we have forgot this.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_08: For forgetting this, we have forgotten this.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_08: Um we done did forget we we done did forgotten it.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_08: We forget it.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_08: Um there was this couple, and I think they're worship leaders of, I don't know, some church somewhere.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_08: Oh yeah.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_01: And um this is a really good example, actually.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_08: Um, I don't want to be singing this song.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_08: Um, and I can't remember the name of the song.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_01: No, it's something to the effect of like God, you know, crushed the enemy under my feet or something aggressive.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_08: Because my praise is the waters, my enemies drowning.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_08: I don't want to drown people.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_08: Oh well, honey, your enemy isn't people.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_08: Your enemy is not the Democrats, it's not the Republicans, it's not the rich, it's not the poor, it's not the any color skinned, it's that's not your enemy.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, we've been told we wrestle not against flesh and blood.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_08: The thief comes to steal, kill, and destroy.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_08: We I don't know how many different ways to say it.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_08: We have enemies, they're not human, suit up people, because whether you think you're in the fight or not, you are.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_08: Yes.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_08: And so that's that's where the Nephilim mattered to us because that's that's our whole goal is hey guys, recognize who your enemy is, and we can fight him or fight them because that that's what we're called to do.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_08: And I and I'm gonna sorry, Rick, I'll give you brain in just a second.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_08: But Ephesians Ephesians 3 10 tells us that the um purpose of the church is to make the manifold wisdom of God known to the Prince of the Power of the Air, to demons.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_08: That's that's what Ephesians tells us.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_08: I've never heard one person other than myself John Burke.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_05: And John Burke, who we interviewed last week.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_07: Um I listened to that.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_05: It's waiting.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_07: I listened to that.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, we haven't heard out yet.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_07: Oh, I was gonna say, did we already drop it?
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_07: Who was the guy that um the worship guy that you had on?
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_07: I just listened to that episode.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, oh, you're thinking of uh frequencies, you're thinking of Jesse.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_01: That was really good.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_01: Jesse Dowdrick.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_07: That was a great episode.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_08: Oh god, yeah he's our brother.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_08: Like that.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_08: That's really cool.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_08: He's so amazing.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_08: Um, that that's what we're supposed to do.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_08: So when you put all this together, what's the end result for God's glory and for people's empowerment in him?
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_08: Because uh the the word tells us that the Holy Spirit's given us power to be his witness.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_08: That's what the Holy Spirit does.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_08: So not to give us a chandelier shandelai, which is fine and dandy.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_08: I mean, I speak in tongues, I have no problem with it.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_08: Um, but that's not the goal.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_08: The goal of the Holy Ghost is to give us power to be his witnesses in Jerusalem, Samaria, Judea, and the whole world.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_07: So I think for me, like I just, I just and it's not like a worry.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_07: It's just like I kind of, you know, I love the idea of like a broad picture.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_07: And when I kind of look at everything, I'm just like, is this gonna become white noise?
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_07: You know, are we gonna be oversaturated with it?
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_07: Well, well, here here's the thing.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_01: I talk about this ad nauseum, and so Shell, you're gonna get a dose of it.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_01: Um because we talk about this all the time.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, I feel like we're promoting a book or something.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, okay.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_01: Um but before I do that, I just want to say regarding the Nephilim.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um a giant changes everything.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_01: So I've been wanting to make a cover of that.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's hilarious.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_01: Um what I really want to get at here is it is possible for it to become white noise.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_01: That would be a convenient uh happening for the dark forces.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_01: But whether it becomes white noise or not, uh it's being normalized.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_01: That's what's happening, okay?
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_01: And because it's being normalized, your concern is a valid concern.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but it's also one to some extent that's inevitable.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_01: It is an inevitable thing because what what are the powers of darkness love?
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_01: They love to be adored.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_01: They love to be adored.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_01: So it's not.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_08: Or to be ignored and do what they want.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_08: Right.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_08: Well, uh unopposed.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_08: It's always one of the two, though it's right, yeah.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_01: Either one of the two.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_01: But um, you know, there there's I think that there's so many fighting factions that one is happy to hear the the adoration at and adulation, and the others are happy to not have anything said about them.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_01: Um but what's happening, Christina, is we're watching a singularity take place.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_01: And I believe that this is part of part and parcel to to what the end times will hold.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and so to some extent, I think it is inevitable.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_01: But on another, on another side, well, and let me explain what I mean by singularity.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_01: I mean that there's a reconvergence of technology and spirituality.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_01: And because there's that recon, it's it's not really a real singularity.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_01: It's always existed.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_01: I I have no doubt in my mind it's always existed, but there was a crafty thing done when early Christians were trying to really separate and study what God had made that that was hijacked, commandeered, and pushed all the way in the other direction to say, oh, this is totally uh gosh, I want to I keep wanting to talk in Spanish.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_01: This is a whole separate issue.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_01: Punto y aparte.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_01: I wish you would.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_01: Do you want me to?
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_07: No, I'm just kidding.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_01: You publish it.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_01: Um no, but it it it intentionally became like a whole separate issue.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_01: And believe me, the powers of darkness were happy to have that happen because they play the long game, and because they play the long game, now they're reuniting the two and saying, you see, there was never any real difference.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_01: You guys made that difference.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_07: Can I ask a question?
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_07: Do you can absolutely ask that question?
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_07: Do you think that that was because I have a I have a theory that I haven't really it just God keeps putting the stuff on my heart?
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_07: Something doesn't smell right about superstition and all of that sort of stuff.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_07: Like I did what do you mean?
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_07: I just feel like I don't know, it's so convenient that like superstition started coming into like I guess like folklore, you know, all that sort of stuff, just sort of like we had all of this oral tradition, you know.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_07: So you see it with Native Americans, like all that stuff.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_07: And then it just kind of, oh well, you know.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_07: And the same thing, the same thing with witchcraft.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_07: Like, oh, the witches, like, oh, they're not.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_07: That's nothing.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_01: Here, I mean, we could go on.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_01: This is a long topic.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_01: No, I know.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but I'll try and keep it as succinct as I can for you.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_01: So so if I understand, if I hear you right, what you're saying is it seems it seems strange to you that all of a sudden we're entertaining folklore and or ancient oral histories and witchcraft.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_07: And I feel like there was a rebranding and now it's like normal again.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_01: So so that's exactly spot on.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_01: That's exactly what's happening.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_01: That's exactly what I'm referring to.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_01: Is that you and I haven't worked all this stuff out in my head quite yet.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_01: I'm still, you know, kind of putting stuff in its place, but let's talk for just a quick second about quantum mechanics.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_01: Quantum mechanics is a humongous uh topic to tackle, and I'm not gonna do it justice because I'm not a physicist, much less even a scientist.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_07: I'm gonna pretend to pay attention.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_07: No, I'm just kidding.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, it's fine.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_01: No, my brain I will make it I will make it as interesting as possible.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_01: So I have this loose theory, if not belief, that for example, when in the Bible it talks about casting lots, that that is related directly to quantum mechanics.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_01: I believe that that spirituality is directly related to that because all of all of those kind of uh uh Caliph, sorry, going back to the Spanish again.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_01: Uh when they would cast lots, uh I want to say echar suertes, which literally means to cast lot is what it means.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, okay.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's what it means in Spanish.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_01: That keeps coming in my brain.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_01: So when they would cast these lots, right, to to have them, I mean, frankly, they would give fortunes is what they would do.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_08: Like I see rolling dice, like that's yeah, that's what they did to pitch everything.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_08: Like who was to go into the holy of holy net holies next.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_01: And and so yes, and if you and I've I heard this a long time ago, it stuck with me, I've never forgotten it.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_01: Um, a pastor who I unfortunately no longer revere very much, but uh was definitely a tool uh from the Lord in his time, love the dude to death.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_01: Um to this day I still love him to death.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_01: He he mentions that in Acts, before the Holy Spirit fell, was the last time that any lots were cast, and that's recorded in the Bible, which is very, very interesting.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_01: Very, very interesting, and and should cause you to kind of ask a lot of questions.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_01: Um I am not telling you that God can't use things like that, okay, um, to this day, but I do believe that casting lots is a connection to the divine, and I think that quantum mechanics is the modern version of that.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I think that we're trying to contact the divine.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_01: And if you really, really want to know what I think about the digital world, I and we're trying to have this conversation with a lady that we don't know personally.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I guess we kind of do know her personally, don't we, Shell?
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_08: Um a little bit.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I can't remember her name off the top of my head.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_08: Um Darnett, I just she just came across my feet today.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_08: Um I can't pronounce her last name.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_01: Paxton's uh message.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_01: He he he he put her name on there.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, I watched one of her her videos and she's very uh I don't know, has random visions, things like that, but she's actually like a um homeopathic doctor and everything, has her degrees.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, yeah.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_01: She's very, very well educated, very um, very erudite, we'll we'll call her.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and she mentions that her understanding from a vision that happened is that the digital world is a dead world created by the dark forces for us to be entertained by and be sucked into and eventually merge with.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, I I feel like I I started writing like sort of an article about that.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_07: Like I've I've made I've definitely like written stuff down about that.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_07: Like it's so it becomes so clear, I think, at some point.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_01: It does.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_01: And so you and and I'll and I'll give you just some some basic examples.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_01: So I mean that's I mean, that's what quantum computing is, right?
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_01: Quantum computing is this this use of randomization to create mathematical outcomes that are convenient for I mean, it's the same thing as casting lots.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_01: You're you're you're leaving it, you're leaving it to luck, as we would say in Spanish, right?
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_01: You're you're throwing luck, you're leaving it to luck to make a determination about what's happening, but that's not really what's happening.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_01: It's just like it's like scrying, it's like uh, you know, it's like divination, it's like any type of uh automatic writing, remote viewing.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_01: All these things are are based on randomness, but they're not random.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_01: I think that they're a direct connection to the spiritual, and we just think of them as random.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_01: I really believe that.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_08: Well, I think that is oh go ahead, Chili.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_08: Sorry, I was gonna say because um we dwell in the physical realm.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_08: And so we forget that as I'm fond of saying, this is just the tip of the iceberg.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_08: And this the spiritual realm or realms or dimensions, or how I don't know however many it is, that is really the iceberg, the seven-eighths under the water that we we don't see under the water.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_08: So we don't we don't think about the rest of the iceberg.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_08: We see the tip of the iceberg, and that's all we care about.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_01: We see the manifestation of of what's happening, right?
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_01: But we don't necessarily understand.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, God, there's a really, really great uh uh example that uh Josh Peck uses to explain why the Nephilim are humongous, and I've never considered this.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_01: Well it's like imagine if you existed in a different dimension.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_01: Imagine that we we we're three-dimensional creatures, but imagine that we existed on a two-dimensional plane.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_01: We would look terrifying to two-dimensioners, right?
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_01: Terrifying.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_01: So imagine these things that are being put in, you know, to some extent, half their body is human, but the other half is totally wacko, weird, unexplainable light creatures, right?
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, that are manifesting in our dimension.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_01: So what do they look like?
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_01: Where where where else can they go in a third dimension except up?
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_01: You see what I'm saying?
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_07: No, I do.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_01: And their proportions are filled out because they're human and it makes sense, but it only sort of makes sense.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_01: And so I I don't know if that kind of answers your question.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_07: It's crazy because like, and I don't know, every time I start like I either listen to this kind of conversation or I find myself engaging in this kind of conversation, I still just get to this point where I'm like, yeah, okay, I get it.
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_07: Like everything's really weird.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_07: Um but so you know what like the answer is.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_07: Like it's Jesus.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_07: Like, so I think we're just gonna get to the you know what I mean.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_07: I think that it's just we're gonna get to this point where and maybe it's good.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_07: Like, maybe it's good that like I'm getting desensitized to it.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_07: Maybe it's part of like my training, maybe it's part of like, you know, God's getting me ready and getting us ready.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_07: Because when that happens, right, whatever revelation looks like, what it whatever it actually looks like as it unfolds, right?
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_07: It's gonna be strange, it's gonna be different, it's gonna be weird.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_07: And we're people are gonna start coming back to the original like weirdos, like the Christians, where and we are the ones that are gonna have to be like, yeah, uh-huh.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_07: Weird.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_07: Um, so let's go ahead and uh have Jesus in our heart.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_01: I have so there's there's two, there's a twofold thing, and I think that this actually may help answer what you're asking, which is sure, but Jesus, right?
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_01: So I mean, what else?
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_01: Who cares about all this other stuff?
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_01: So there's there's two aspects to this.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_01: One of these is I am very fond of this idea and I believe it to be truth within truth within truth.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_01: And that is that the human mind is not, and the human spirit for that matter, is not meant to digest truth in such large quantities given the state of our physical frail being.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_01: We're not meant to be that way.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_01: And because of that, you are God allows us to learn new things in small quantities.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_01: But he has to.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_01: And that's the only way, you know.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_01: That's why, that's why when when the old adage of the truth hurts, yeah.
• 40:21
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that cliche is unbelievably profoundly true because the truth is terrifyingly painful.
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_01: It's very painful.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_01: And you get things sometimes you don't want to hear, right?
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_01: So that is one aspect of why God allows us to become desensitized, as you put it so uh so concisely and accurately, to a lot of these things.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to keep talking about the Nephilim.
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_01: It's not very, you know, it's fun and it's not fruitful.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_07: Like, what are we doing?
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_07: What's next?
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's it that's exactly what it is.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_01: And so I want to I want to read or learn something new.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_01: Like I want to understand.
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_01: Right now, uh Shell is very aware.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_01: Like I am like digesting ancient alchemy and modern alchemy, and it's blowing my mind.
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_02: It's cool.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_01: It's blowing my freaking mind because it it deals with the actual foundation of the way the universe works.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm not gonna get into all that because it's just a long explanation, but as alchemy is across the ages, right?
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_01: But but that that is one component.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_01: We need to we need to be prepared to have this all digested so that when the moment comes, we can address those fears and those concerns that that people people have and Christians have.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, yeah.
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_01: And so that's one, right?
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_01: The other is we need to learn and be open, and I'm I'm saying this really for myself.
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not gonna try and speak for anyone else, but I'm I think that I'm not alone.
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_01: We are so materialistic.
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, yeah, it is very difficult for us to cast out demons, to confront the dark powers, to pray without ceasing, to intercede, to seek the Lord, to fast.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_01: We are not good at those things.
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_01: And that is what we need to couple with our intellectual understanding.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_01: And if we don't do that, God help us.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_01: I mean that very, very seriously.
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_01: So the answer to your question is why, like, yes, but Jesus, absolutely.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_01: And so if these conversations aren't pointing back to Jesus, right, and they're not reflecting the the the reality of the creator, then then we're doing it wrong.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_01: And and I dare say we're doing it wrong, not because the content is wrong, but because our heart and our mind are on incorrect things, right?
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_01: Because I could sit here and talk to you about how I don't think that alchemy is necessarily an evil thing, right?
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_01: But some dude might hear that filter and say, Oh, I'm gonna go and figure this out and you know, I don't need God and whatever, or I'm gonna channel it into this uh aspect or this action or this thing, right?
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_01: So we have to be, we are responsible for those words as teachers.
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I know that that doesn't really seem like what we are, but as teachers, that's what we're we're responsible for.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_01: And and I'll finish my thought with this.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_01: Right now, I have a humongous burden, Christina.
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_01: Like, like you cannot imagine to have a ministry in my local church, in my local church, where people can come and break their paradigm before their paradigm breaks them.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_01: That's where I'm at.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_07: I think what's I think what you're gonna see is you're gonna see I think that these ministries, because I felt the same way.
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_07: You know, like that's kind of I mean, I didn't even like think of it and process it or whatever.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_07: I think that God was just like, Okay, start this over here.
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_07: Because there's no way you you know, you're gonna go to your church and be like, I wanna start A small group about people coming out of the new age.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_07: Like there will be none of us.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_07: You know what I mean?
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_07: Like people are not, that's just not people are not walking into a church building like that.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_07: Like I was an anomaly.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_07: And I think that that was definitely on purpose.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_07: Right.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_07: But I think that I think you're like absolutely right.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_07: I think what we're gonna see is the preparation starts here on the internet because the internet is definitely like so just what you said about alchemy, right?
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_07: I think that it's important that I say this because as content creators, because either we're creating content or we're digesting it and we're we're taking it in.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_07: Breaking it down.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_07: Right.
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_07: You know, we're consuming it.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_07: We're either consuming it or we're creating it.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_07: As content creators, we do have that responsibility.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_05: Absolutely.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_07: And I mean, I take that seriously because I have leadership that I have to deal with, not deal with, but I, you know, I have respect for and I respect the vision of the church.
• 44:57
  SPEAKER_08: Correct.
• 44:57
  SPEAKER_08: Right.
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_08: And and more importantly, to God.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_08: We have been told it's every vain word.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_08: Well, give an account for every vain word.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_08: It's it's so it's so weighty.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_07: But with what what Ricky just said, like if you yeah, you can you could totally take that like out of context.
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_07: And I could take that as a creator and be like, so that's why I'm really careful, like, I don't really care if any of this gets traction.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_07: I don't care about influence, I don't want to be an influencer.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_07: I want people, if one person better understands their purpose, their creator, if one person that's coming out of weird paranormal activity or whatever, and they're just like, I don't even know what to think anymore.
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_07: I want you to this table.
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_07: That's like the whole thing.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_07: Right.
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_07: I want you here.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_07: The appetizer is, you know, Sasquatch and sourdough, me telling little stories, whatever.
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_07: Like that's the charcuterie board.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_09: Right.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_07: And then like this over here, fellowship of the fringe, is you know, the beef stew.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_07: Like that's the way that I think of it.
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_07: You know?
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_01: And and there's, you know, there's a reason.
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I think that that's exactly the verse that that depicts what I just explained, which is that not everyone's ready for all the truth.
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_01: You know, not everyone's ready for for for beef.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_01: And even if you are beef, maybe you're right, not ready for the seasoning or the uh the the garnishments on the side, right?
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe you're not ready for all that stuff.
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_01: And that's okay.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, there's garnishments I'm not ready for.
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_01: I'm probably not ready for the pecan pie, you know, and that's that's okay.
• 46:33
  SPEAKER_01: Like I'm getting there.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm and I'm I'm I'm trusting God in that that process.
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that the the main the main like the hallmarks and the ear marks and the the the the top tier hitters that are really actually pointing to Jesus are the ones that that well, one of two things.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_01: If they're too popular, maybe they're not following Jesus.
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_01: And if they're just popular enough, it's probably because God is like, okay, I can use you.
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_07: Right.
• 47:01
  SPEAKER_07: Giving the platform.
• 47:02
  SPEAKER_07: I just thought about this today.
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_07: Because there's yeah, a lot of people are getting big and a lot of people are like going different directions, and that's awesome.
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_07: Like, if you've given what God has given you in terms of like your creativity and your purpose, if you're giving it back to him and you're glorifying him, super.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_07: Like there are definitely podcasts I could name and be like, okay, well, I can definitely sort of see how God is using them to have that normalization, you know.
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_07: Like you have the big platform so that you can kind of control the algorithm.
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_07: And then when I put in aliens or Nephilim or whatever, it's gonna go there and that's gonna normalize it for you, but you're also gonna hear Jesus.
• 47:41
  SPEAKER_07: But then when you trickle down and you need community, yeah, you know, and we need community.
• 47:48
  SPEAKER_08: We need community.
• 47:49
  SPEAKER_08: That is the thing because we're in we're in this new burgeoning society, like we were talking about earlier.
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_08: We have met some of the most awesome brothers and sisters in Christ, man.
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_08: It's it's so exciting.
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_08: And frequently, and we're the three of us are churchgoers, we're members of our church staff, whatever.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_01: That's a that's a rarity, by the way.
• 48:10
  SPEAKER_01: It is that's exactly what I was gonna say.
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_01: In the podcast community are not in the church.
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_01: And and I and I to some extent I don't blame them, but to another extent, I'm like, dude, you're you're you're you're cutting yourself off at the knees.
• 48:24
  SPEAKER_01: And don't get me wrong.
• 48:25
  SPEAKER_01: I I mean I'll be I'll be very transparent.
• 48:27
  SPEAKER_01: Many times I am very bored at my church.
• 48:31
  SPEAKER_01: Um I know a lot of so I I'm super glad that you're not.
• 48:36
  SPEAKER_01: I am super glad you're not.
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_07: Um there was a church all night tonight.
• 48:39
  SPEAKER_01: I will say, as of late, like I'm I'm like, okay, I can tell that things are shifting a little bit of a different direction, you know?
• 48:45
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but my my my boredom or my excitement are a thousand percent irrelevant.
• 48:52
  SPEAKER_01: They're so irrelevant.
• 48:54
  SPEAKER_01: Like who I don't even remember who it was I was listening to the other day said our we think that the the uh the end all be all, right, is is our happiness, but our end all be all is Jesus, it's the gospel, it's it's his it's his power being purported, being pushed forward, being galvanized, you know, galvanizing people.
• 49:13
  SPEAKER_08: Um and really not about our whole our happiness.
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_08: He's really all about our holiness, our heartness for him.
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_01: And and that's exactly that's the other portion I was just saying, right?
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what good does it do to you?
• 49:27
  SPEAKER_01: Like if you're I mean, you're just this the the clanging symbol, right?
• 49:30
  SPEAKER_01: If you're not really emitting love, and we think of love for each other, but it's it's really funny that we do think about that for I mean, me personally, when I hear, you know, if if you're a resounding you're resounding gong unless you love, and then I always think of other people, but really the first your first your first mission and your first uh job is to love God.
• 49:53
  SPEAKER_01: And if you're not doing that, then you're you're probably also not working in any of the gifts of the spirit appropriately.
• 49:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 50:00
  SPEAKER_01: And and I'm the first one to say, yeah, dude, I I'm not fasting enough, I'm not this enough, I'm not that.
• 50:05
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Carrie Made, by the way.
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I found it.
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_08: I was just telling you doctor.
• 50:11
  SPEAKER_08: I had the hardest time finding it.
• 50:13
  SPEAKER_08: And then I finally I remembered I can never pronounce her last name, but I know how it's spelt.
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_01: Madid.
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_08: I Googled Madid.
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_07: And then I was like, Dr.
• 50:22
  SPEAKER_07: Carrie, that's who it is.
• 50:23
  SPEAKER_07: I'll have to check her out.
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_01: She's very cool.
• 50:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um, she she deals with a lot of like um vibration and sound.
• 50:29
  SPEAKER_08: And see, that's that's another stuff that makes me really uncomfortable.
• 50:33
  SPEAKER_08: I'm not gonna lie to you.
• 50:35
  SPEAKER_08: There are large portions of it.
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_08: I'm like, I don't know what I want to what what I think about this.
• 50:41
  SPEAKER_08: And and so like when I'm listening to the honesty, I think I ask God for for um discernment because you know what?
• 50:51
  SPEAKER_08: I don't know everything.
• 50:52
  SPEAKER_08: And a lot of stuff that sits uncomfortably for me, it's because it's new and I can't just push it off.
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, uh, but I also do not just need to consume it either, you know, and that's what the Holy Spirit is is one of the things he does with us is is he tells us, or I know, I know it's uncomfortable, honey.
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_07: The water's cold.
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_07: Just come on in anyway.
• 51:14
  SPEAKER_07: So when I first kind of came into this sort of space, like after like discovering like blurry creatures, you know, I started like looking in other podcasts.
• 51:22
  SPEAKER_07: Um and then eventually it like and it it really started on Instagram, like DMing people, commenting, things like that.
• 51:30
  SPEAKER_07: That's where I meet most of the people that I communicate with.
• 51:33
  SPEAKER_07: Um, and I was on Bo Kennedy's like the bump podcast and started sharing my story.
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_07: So as that like grew, I then I was consuming everything, just like you said, Shelly.
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_07: Like I was just like, oh, well, this is good.
• 51:45
  SPEAKER_07: Let me get all this.
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_07: And I I ran into some content.
• 51:50
  SPEAKER_07: Um, it's funny.
• 51:51
  SPEAKER_06: You're well flying it.
• 51:52
  SPEAKER_07: Well, it's funny because like I don't even remember this guy's name, like I don't even remember what it was.
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_07: I remember the context, and he had some really interesting things to say about um uh like the end times, like basically that Jesus had already come back.
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_07: And I was just like a millennialism, hold on.
• 52:15
  SPEAKER_07: And so when I felt when I was consuming that, I get like I absolutely felt sick.
• 52:21
  SPEAKER_07: So that's like my number one red flag.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_07: Like the Holy Spirit's like, nope.
• 52:26
  SPEAKER_07: And so then when I like brought it to the Lord, I was just like, Yeah, he was just like, no, this you don't have to consume everything.
• 52:34
  SPEAKER_07: Like you can just you don't have this is just not for you.
• 52:37
  SPEAKER_07: And you know that's exactly what it is.
• 52:40
  SPEAKER_07: But the thing was also like the other thing that I kind of got out of that was um what I I think what really didn't sit well with me was I was like, dude, if you are gonna confuse the crap out of people, like the baby Christians are gonna get a hold of this content and be like, oh, really?
• 53:02
  SPEAKER_07: He already and I'm just like, ooh, stop it.
• 53:04
  SPEAKER_07: Like, no, calm down.
• 53:06
  SPEAKER_01: Shelly and I intentionally not that long ago, kind we haven't even actually done one, but we we are going to.
• 53:12
  SPEAKER_01: Um, there's there's this thing that we as content creators that we we really feel responsible for, right?
• 53:19
  SPEAKER_01: Because it's one thing to have the person on and they're gonna have views that you disagree with, but you're interviewing this person, right?
• 53:26
  SPEAKER_01: So obviously you're gonna have conflicting points of view, you know, you're gonna think different things, you're gonna have different beliefs at some points.
• 53:33
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, Shelly and I, for that matter, have different beliefs about certain things, right?
• 53:36
  SPEAKER_01: So Shelly and I, I I would say for the most part, pretty much agree on all the same pretty salvific feel.
• 53:46
  SPEAKER_01: They're definitely salvific, but even like kind of the more detailed doc doctrinal stuff, we're we're pretty you know, in agreement on a lot of those things.
• 53:54
  SPEAKER_08: Honestly, some of it we're still working out.
• 53:55
  SPEAKER_08: We're working out on faith, man.
• 53:57
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 53:58
  SPEAKER_08: Um we all are.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 54:01
  SPEAKER_01: We decided because of that, and because we know that we are content creators or or teachers.
• 54:07
  SPEAKER_01: I I don't even know if I like that content creator correctly.
• 54:09
  SPEAKER_01: Whatever we are, but we're because we're in this we're podcasters, we're in podcasters.
• 54:14
  SPEAKER_01: Um we have to find this content.
• 54:16
  SPEAKER_01: Um, we have to find a new find a new word.
• 54:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 54:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 54:20
  SPEAKER_07: And I don't like podcasters because you're a creative person.
• 54:26
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know about a creative.
• 54:28
  SPEAKER_08: No, no, I mean we are creative, we are um image bearers, and we are image bearers of the actual creation.
• 54:36
  SPEAKER_01: You're not gonna convince me using an ad.
• 54:38
  SPEAKER_07: Come up with some Latin word or something that we can call ourselves.
• 54:40
  SPEAKER_01: Go for it, Rick.
• 54:41
  SPEAKER_01: You're using using an adjective to call yourself uh a noun is dumb.
• 54:46
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry, this is not Spanish.
• 54:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um so whatever.
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_08: I faith all the time.
• 54:51
  SPEAKER_08: Faith through it.
• 54:52
  SPEAKER_01: Uh so what we what we we decided to do after a podcast, especially if it's a um uh uh an interview, is to do something called setting the record straight.
• 55:04
  SPEAKER_01: So and and just be, you know, just be very forthcoming with our with our interviewee.
• 55:08
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, you know, we're we usually do this afterward.
• 55:10
  SPEAKER_01: This is just something, you know, feel free to say whatever you really is your opinion, and we we will afterwards we'll just comment on, oh, you know, I I agree with this or I disagree with that, or I think this is really good, or I learned this, you know, all those kind of things.
• 55:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um, because it's important for people to know where you stand on things and why you stand there, right?
• 55:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 55:31
  SPEAKER_01: Um and and I I think that that's a humongous uh, you know, not only is it a missed opportunity, but it's also it's a dangerous place to walk if you are gonna be a teacher.
• 55:42
  SPEAKER_01: It's very dangerous because people can believe all sorts of stuff about you that you're like, dude, I never said that, bro.
• 55:49
  SPEAKER_01: Like ever.
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 55:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 55:52
  SPEAKER_02: I know.
• 55:52
  SPEAKER_01: When you have somebody on, you you tacitly endorse them.
• 55:58
  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
• 55:59
  SPEAKER_01: You tacitly endorse it.
• 56:01
  SPEAKER_01: That's exactly right.
• 56:02
  SPEAKER_01: Um, that's you know, some some content creators will say, ah, it's irrelevant, I don't care about that.
• 56:06
  SPEAKER_01: Blah blah blah.
• 56:07
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, well, um I have to give an account to the big dude upstairs, and so I'm gonna I'm gonna make sure that the record's straight.
• 56:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know?
• 56:16
  SPEAKER_08: I mean, I have a dad, but I don't want to misrepresent him ever.
• 56:20
  SPEAKER_08: I mean, and I do because I'm human, but man, I don't want to.
• 56:25
  SPEAKER_07: I was sold a really wrong picture of God's character.
• 56:30
  SPEAKER_07: Like I never got until I walked into the like the church that I go to and that I work at, I I didn't have that like understanding of what of who he was and his character.
• 56:42
  SPEAKER_07: Sure.
• 56:43
  SPEAKER_07: Because I also had never had an encounter with him.
• 56:46
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah.
• 56:46
  SPEAKER_07: Like I had never actually encountered him.
• 56:50
  SPEAKER_08: There are people who have grown up in churches that are the same exact way.
• 56:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 56:57
  SPEAKER_08: It's it and it makes me sad.
• 56:59
  SPEAKER_08: That's a thing, you know.
• 57:00
  SPEAKER_08: People are like, everybody knows who Jesus is in America.
• 57:03
  SPEAKER_08: Every American knows about Jesus.
• 57:06
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 57:06
  SPEAKER_08: Well, let me tell you, um uh my pastor's wife is um uh a teacher at one of the public middle schools here in El Paso, uh, as is Ricky's mom.
• 57:19
  SPEAKER_08: That's true.
• 57:22
  SPEAKER_08: Um she was saying how uh I don't know, she was talking to her her choir class, I think, and she mentioned something about Jesus, and they were like, Who's that, miss?
• 57:34
  SPEAKER_08: Because the kids in El Paso they miss, they miss they say miss.
• 57:38
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, she missed their Jesus.
• 57:39
  SPEAKER_01: Then she then they would have known.
• 57:40
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just kidding.
• 57:43
  SPEAKER_08: And um she was kind of amazed.
• 57:48
  SPEAKER_08: Uh everybody know in American, everybody knows about Jesus, but that's not true.
• 57:53
  SPEAKER_05: Not anymore.
• 57:54
  SPEAKER_08: Not anymore in so many churches is love, not yes, not God.
• 58:00
  SPEAKER_08: Love is God, not God is love.
• 58:03
  SPEAKER_08: And they make him some some fluffy nice guy with rainbows and unicorns, and um and that's not who Yahweh is.
• 58:15
  SPEAKER_08: God is not a nice guy.
• 58:16
  SPEAKER_08: I hate that.
• 58:17
  SPEAKER_08: Like I hate it.
• 58:18
  SPEAKER_08: I tell my I I'll get mad and say it in church.
• 58:20
  SPEAKER_08: God's not a nice guy.
• 58:22
  SPEAKER_08: He's not good, but he's not a nice guy.
• 58:25
  SPEAKER_07: That's a wuss.
• 58:26
  SPEAKER_07: So I think like what you're kind of touching on, like I've had this I have a burden for Gen Alpha because I have my I have one.
• 58:34
  SPEAKER_07: Like, you know, I have a 10-year-old.
• 58:37
  SPEAKER_07: Um those guys, oh cool.
• 58:40
  SPEAKER_07: Those, I don't know.
• 58:43
  SPEAKER_07: Sometimes I just I like I just take in what they're taking in and listen to them, and especially my son, and I'm just like, man, God has an anointing on this generation.
• 58:52
  SPEAKER_07: Like I really am excited for what he's gonna do with them.
• 58:56
  SPEAKER_07: But because they're the first generation that's growing up in technology, like like so many of them.
• 59:03
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, not only that, but they're the first generation to grow up in godless America.
• 59:09
  SPEAKER_07: So that's what I was just gonna say is my son, obviously, you know, he and I God used him.
• 59:16
  SPEAKER_07: He's the reason that I came to faith because my husband was going to leave me and take him.
• 59:22
  SPEAKER_07: And I had to, I had like a crazy, you know, I had one of those moments that was just like, I mean, I had so much unbelief.
• 59:29
  SPEAKER_07: And then I finally one day, like it was it's like the most crazy story.
• 59:34
  SPEAKER_07: Like it's just like it was raining outside.
• 59:36
  SPEAKER_07: I was in my mud room, and I was so like just drunk and hysterical, and I was done.
• 59:42
  SPEAKER_07: And I got down on my hands and knees and I said, God.
• 59:45
  SPEAKER_07: I said, I didn't even say God.
• 59:46
  SPEAKER_07: I said, I don't know who you are or what you are, but I can't do this on my own anymore.
• 59:49
  SPEAKER_07: Like, and then that was like the beginning.
• 59:51
  SPEAKER_07: Like, that's I didn't, I mean, I did raise my hand in church, like salvation moment, but that was my salvation.
• 59:56
  SPEAKER_07: Right.
• 59:56
  SPEAKER_08: Salvation moment was your salvation moment for sure.
• 59:59
  SPEAKER_07: He pressed me down to like rock bottom.
• 1:00:02
  SPEAKER_07: But he used my son.
• 1:00:04
  SPEAKER_07: And so I always tell my son, I'm just like, dude, if it weren't for you, like saying God.
• 1:00:10
  SPEAKER_07: But he I've heard him have encounters with friends that you know, they're like, Who?
• 1:00:15
  SPEAKER_07: Oh yeah, I've heard about him, or we don't I there's kids that just will straight out and be like, you know what, we don't believe in Jesus, we don't believe in God.
• 1:00:24
  SPEAKER_07: That's your belief, that's fine.
• 1:00:26
  SPEAKER_07: And I'm just like, man, we're just we're just preaching atheism now.
• 1:00:29
  SPEAKER_07: Like, we're just it's okay.
• 1:00:31
  SPEAKER_07: Or or worse, Jesus was a good guy.
• 1:00:34
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 1:00:35
  SPEAKER_08: Oh, that kills he was a great prophet, he was a good guy.
• 1:00:38
  SPEAKER_08: Um, he said he he said he was God.
• 1:00:41
  SPEAKER_08: He was a good thing.
• 1:00:42
  SPEAKER_08: He said he was God.
• 1:00:43
  SPEAKER_08: It does a does a good guy say he's God?
• 1:00:46
  SPEAKER_08: Um what kind of guy says he's God?
• 1:00:49
  SPEAKER_08: Somebody who's outright lying to you, somebody who's cray cray, or somebody who is who he says he is.
• 1:00:56
  SPEAKER_08: Lord and I are lunatic.
• 1:00:57
  SPEAKER_08: Those are the only three options.
• 1:00:59
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 1:01:00
  SPEAKER_08: I hate like that Jesus was a good guy, and so long as we follow um his example and are good and kind to people, you know.
• 1:01:11
  SPEAKER_07: That's the kind of stuff that you tell yourself when you're in new age.
• 1:01:13
  SPEAKER_07: And it's funny you say that, Shelly, because like that's sorry I had to interrupt, but like what I um when I first like was kind of you know starting to walk with the Lord and trying to figure things out, I kept I would just ask him questions all the time.
• 1:01:26
  SPEAKER_07: Like, well, what about like can I still like listen?
• 1:01:29
  SPEAKER_07: Can I still watch the X-Files?
• 1:01:30
  SPEAKER_07: Can I still what about unicorns?
• 1:01:33
  SPEAKER_07: What about Bigfoot?
• 1:01:34
  SPEAKER_07: Right, you know, like all those questions.
• 1:01:35
  SPEAKER_07: Right.
• 1:01:36
  SPEAKER_07: I had those questions.
• 1:01:37
  SPEAKER_07: What about that ghost I saw?
• 1:01:38
  SPEAKER_07: What about, you know what I mean?
• 1:01:40
  SPEAKER_07: Like all of that.
• 1:01:41
  SPEAKER_08: See, and I think that's part of the reason we want to be in this niche.
• 1:01:44
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, because you're not alone.
• 1:01:46
  SPEAKER_08: Well, because there are people like Karen Wilkinson who have been abducted.
• 1:01:50
  SPEAKER_08: Yes, their um sleep paralysis is real, like Dickie Joy says.
• 1:01:55
  SPEAKER_08: Well, we've experienced it.
• 1:01:57
  SPEAKER_08: Nobody ever talks about it in church, you know, because it's it's put that under the radar.
• 1:02:02
  SPEAKER_08: The thing is, is that there are millions of people who are hurting, some of them Christians, some of them not.
• 1:02:07
  SPEAKER_08: I mean, you go to the church with this, we're like it's a demon, let me let me lay hands on it.
• 1:02:14
  SPEAKER_08: It's always an demon, yeah.
• 1:02:16
  SPEAKER_08: You know, and and that's that's not the space that's not the space we we should occupy, especially if we're saying, Lord, send revival.
• 1:02:27
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:02:28
  SPEAKER_08: When we had John Burke on um last week, that's what we we were talking about.
• 1:02:32
  SPEAKER_08: That, you know, the we pray for revival, but what we mean is Lord, send send cleaned up people to my church, make my church bigger with people like me that I'm comfortable with.
• 1:02:42
  SPEAKER_07: So this is really interesting, and this kind of circles back, um, because so when I when I went through all that, like I said, I kept asking him questions, and he was just like very clear the first time I ever heard his voice, he was like, I either am who I say I am or I'm not.
• 1:02:54
  SPEAKER_07: And I was like, Okay, oh, all right, I gotcha.
• 1:02:57
  SPEAKER_07: But then, like, so this is like kind of circling back.
• 1:03:01
  SPEAKER_07: Um, I had a friend who she was telling me about an experience that uh a young girl that like one of her friend her daughter's friends was having a sleep paralysis issue.
• 1:03:16
  SPEAKER_07: Um now in this circle, we're all familiar with all of this stuff.
• 1:03:20
  SPEAKER_07: Like it's not like a weird thing.
• 1:03:22
  SPEAKER_07: So she was telling me this and she was saying, Well, you know, it's interesting because she went to they went to their church and they just kind of poo-pooed it.
• 1:03:33
  SPEAKER_07: And you know, it was just like, okay, whatever.
• 1:03:35
  SPEAKER_07: Oh, that's you know, growing pains, whatever.
• 1:03:38
  SPEAKER_07: And the interesting thing is this friend has she's not like a you know, she doesn't follow she's not a Jesus follower, but she is a spiritual person and she understands the stuff and she's been to my church and she said to me, She was like, you know, I just don't get it.
• 1:03:57
  SPEAKER_07: Like she's like, Don't you guys like do you guys even believe the songs that you're singing?
• 1:04:02
  SPEAKER_04: And I was just like, Oh, you're absolutely right.
• 1:04:06
  SPEAKER_08: 100% right.
• 1:04:08
  SPEAKER_08: I was like, You are right.
• 1:04:10
  SPEAKER_08: Because when your money hasn't been where our mouth is for the longest time.
• 1:04:15
  SPEAKER_08: Nope.
• 1:04:15
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I mean when I say that we we love to we love two things about Jesus.
• 1:04:23
  SPEAKER_01: If we're uh if we're really trying to no, I won't even make that claim.
• 1:04:27
  SPEAKER_01: We love two things about Jesus.
• 1:04:28
  SPEAKER_01: We love that he's love and we love to be intellectual about the Bible.
• 1:04:33
  SPEAKER_01: That's what we like.
• 1:04:34
  SPEAKER_01: That's what we like.
• 1:04:35
  SPEAKER_01: That's what we like as churchgoers.
• 1:04:36
  SPEAKER_01: We don't want to, yeah, it's very comfortable, right?
• 1:04:39
  SPEAKER_07: Well, we love the emotion too.
• 1:04:40
  SPEAKER_07: Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 1:04:42
  SPEAKER_01: There's my wife and I are we we do the um the new new uh member church class.
• 1:04:48
  SPEAKER_08: Oh, okay.
• 1:04:49
  SPEAKER_08: Cool.
• 1:04:49
  SPEAKER_01: Um we do a lot of things at church class.
• 1:04:52
  SPEAKER_01: Our church is small, much like shells.
• 1:04:54
  SPEAKER_08: It's the 595 rule.
• 1:04:56
  SPEAKER_08: Five percent does the 95% of the work.
• 1:04:58
  SPEAKER_01: I run sound.
• 1:05:00
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I'm gonna probably start teaching the youth.
• 1:05:02
  SPEAKER_08: Nice.
• 1:05:03
  SPEAKER_01: I we do the class, my wife does, she cleans the church.
• 1:05:07
  SPEAKER_01: She, I mean, on and on and on.
• 1:05:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:05:09
  SPEAKER_01: And um one of the things that uh oh man, I just lost my train of thought.
• 1:05:15
  SPEAKER_01: What was I just saying?
• 1:05:16
  SPEAKER_01: Oh gosh.
• 1:05:17
  SPEAKER_07: Um you teach the new people at church at the end.
• 1:05:20
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yes, we teach we teach new people at church.
• 1:05:22
  SPEAKER_01: One of the chapters is talking about it's it's actually a pretty good book.
• 1:05:26
  SPEAKER_01: It's a pretty good little book.
• 1:05:27
  SPEAKER_01: It's a short read, it's like 40 pages, more like 20 because they're tiny, it's a tiny little book.
• 1:05:32
  SPEAKER_01: One of the chapters is about, you know, niche desires or specific desires of of ministries uh taking precedence over the actual purpose of the church.
• 1:05:45
  SPEAKER_01: Um and one of those is uh talking about just church installations being taken care of.
• 1:05:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:05:54
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, yeah, but no.
• 1:05:58
  SPEAKER_01: Like if the couch gets trampled because you know for whatever reason then well you know you just buy a new couch.
• 1:06:07
  SPEAKER_01: You ask God to buy a new couch because the couch is not more important than the person that needs Jesus and that really is battling with un very highly ungodly things that are impossible for us to confront except for for the power of Christ, right?
• 1:06:22
  SPEAKER_01: Like that kind of thing is what we we expect in our church is all the niceties.
• 1:06:27
  SPEAKER_01: We expect things to look pristine.
• 1:06:29
  SPEAKER_01: We expect things to look always in order.
• 1:06:32
  SPEAKER_01: And uh man there's a lot we could talk about.
• 1:06:35
  SPEAKER_01: I wish there was a million there's a million other topics I'd like to talk about but I will make a point that having lived in another country in a third world country I know what it's like to walk into a ghetto church.
• 1:06:46
  SPEAKER_01: It's just run down.
• 1:06:47
  SPEAKER_01: It's just working as it needs to it's it's providing the functions that it needs to it's not beautiful.
• 1:06:53
  SPEAKER_01: It's not ugly.
• 1:06:53
  SPEAKER_01: It's probably the most spirit-filled church right you know sometimes they are sometimes they're not but but but there's a general there's uh many other flaws but one of the one of the us one of the flaws that third world countries do not have is connection to the spiritual they do not have a problem with that and we we have a humongous problem with that and that's what I'm talking about when I told you a while ago that this reconvergence is happening.
• 1:07:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yes and and we we need it if you want to know my opinion on on on that in particular is that we need to it's not that it's not that this stuff is is becoming white noise it's that we're not harnessing it for the kingdom.
• 1:07:34
  SPEAKER_01: That's a good point that's the problem.
• 1:07:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's that you it's not that you're like yeah but Jesus it's like wrangle that bad boy.
• 1:07:44
  SPEAKER_08: Let's drive this cat by Jesus this is Jesus didn't come to make bad people good.
• 1:07:49
  SPEAKER_08: That's not what he did.
• 1:07:50
  SPEAKER_08: He came to make dead people live live man he came to set the captive free the captive of what uh we'll say things like oh addiction um your your your bad habits no he came to set people who are captives of demons free.
• 1:08:14
  SPEAKER_01: That's who he came to free that's who he came to liberate spirits of dead Nephilim.
• 1:08:20
  SPEAKER_08: That's why it's important no I know yeah yeah I know you get it I know you get it and that that's hard we make a point about because it's not it's not about the demon it's not about the fallen god it's it's not about which fallen gods are actually all the same one and which ones are the same.
• 1:08:38
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah because I mean I can go into that for me that's interesting.
• 1:08:41
  SPEAKER_08: But you know what?
• 1:08:42
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah but that's the the point isn't whether you are set free from ashtara or you are set free from the spirit of Jezebel or you are set free from any other one right as Willow it's all the same anyhow it's that Jesus came to set the captives free.
• 1:09:02
  SPEAKER_08: And we have all been in captivity and it encompasses the spirit and we can't pretend like oh yes in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth and Jesus died and rose again and nothing else supernatural in between.
• 1:09:15
  SPEAKER_07: I think that I think the reason that I'm like a little frustrated I guess in what I'm seeing in this community is because for because I'm thinking big picture I'm thinking okay like I said when everybody starts coming over here for answers right as a person that came out of total unbelief and atheism and straight hatred I mean you've you've heard I mean I used to listen to the most satanic black metal ever like it's ridiculous.
• 1:09:42
  SPEAKER_07: Like I'm not even gonna name the bands but you can find them you know I mean it would yeah literally we've all heard them right yeah I mean it's but the point is like the people like me that come out of that and are coming over here like they they will smell the hypocrisy a mile they will yep and it's gonna be like they're gonna want the meat because they've experienced it.
• 1:10:07
  SPEAKER_07: Like once you've dealt with the fact that like you basically have been possessed or oppressed or whatever and you've had some sort of shadow thing and you probably have it in your bloodline and you probably have the whole you know what I mean like I mean when you have all that darkness dude it doesn't you can have all the flowery Bethmore you know women's conferences you want.
• 1:10:28
  SPEAKER_07: You know what I mean?
• 1:10:29
  SPEAKER_07: Like that's we and and it's it's like you want to go back to the hardcore show.
• 1:10:33
  SPEAKER_07: You know for God.
• 1:10:35
  SPEAKER_08: You know because I want you because people want truth.
• 1:10:39
  SPEAKER_08: They want what's real yeah and and a 45 minute feel good trance music session I love trans followed by another 45 minutes of somebody talking at you does not it doesn't feel the need because that's it's experience.
• 1:11:03
  SPEAKER_08: That's experience and and it's not it's manufactured experience.
• 1:11:08
  SPEAKER_07: But the cool thing is though and that's I I think that's why God put me in production ministry because now I get to be a part of creating that authentic atmosphere because we're very much about that.
• 1:11:20
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah and the thing is for me I put I absolutely love it because I can I can be creative in it and I can help create that atmosphere but it's genuine and I can tell when it's genuine and that was what when I walked into that place in that atmosphere that darkness was breaking up because the atmosphere in that room was so strong.
• 1:11:45
  SPEAKER_07: Like the fragrance was so good.
• 1:11:48
  SPEAKER_08: You can you can get there individually in a church that it's manufactured at that doesn't matter I can go into the secret place of the most high at a Bethel reading concert.
• 1:12:00
  SPEAKER_08: Yes you know I knowing the the manufacturing that they do and it it that's irrelevant.
• 1:12:08
  SPEAKER_08: You know what when it comes to me submitting to God it does bring bring old old gospel music bring bring in banjos if you want I mean I probably prefer that you didn't but it's I'm down for the banjo that's fine you know it doesn't it doesn't matter to me it the it's not my praise it's not my my worship it it that that's not what it's about I don't need to sing songs about me because I'm pretty crappy.
• 1:12:42
  SPEAKER_08: You know I don't need anybody to ever sing songs about me.
• 1:12:45
  SPEAKER_08: I want to forget about me.
• 1:12:47
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah I know I was gonna say I don't agree.
• 1:12:50
  SPEAKER_08: I don't endorse this for myself and I I want to glorify the one who has done everything for me the one who allowed free will so that our world would become chaotic so that those who would fall would fall and the sin and death and and all of the crap that we complain about all the time would be there so that I can choose to love him.
• 1:13:20
  SPEAKER_08: But then he didn't stop there.
• 1:13:21
  SPEAKER_08: He didn't say y'all messed it up figure it out he said you messed it up I require a sacrifice sorry I don't know if you guys had seen my cat over here in frame I require a sacrifice but I've got it that's why it's so beautiful that the the word tells us that before the foundations of the earth Christ died for the ungodly before let came out of his mouth before light was created before waters were separated before a cow was formed before any of that Christ already was dying for me.
• 1:14:02
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah that dude like that gets me every time every time I remember that so as soon as I think about that that's my God I don't it doesn't matter what the music is because I get to tell him and not only do I get to tell him how amazing he is in jelly words but he inclines his ear to me when he has a cosmos full of things that are singing his praise as well and he hears my voice in it and somehow it it creates a harmony like that's all I need I don't need I don't need an experience I know whom I believe and I am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed to him against that day.
• 1:14:53
  SPEAKER_08: I'm convinced he's convinced me he's done done it and and so we can get there and that's the thing if if you've been hurt by church guys we all have trust me there's not a person who sorry I know my camera is so big guys um there's not one of us who has not been done wrong by the church you know because there's not one of us who hasn't done something wrong to somebody else in the church.
• 1:15:16
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah get over it the word tells us don't forsake getting together with people who love me as especially as you see the day the day approaching the word approaching yeah and and I mean I don't know that's that's pretty get your button church I mean find a good church find a church that teaches the word everything else is secondary to that as far as I'm concerned how pretty it is how great the music is that's the first thing I tell people or I ask people if they like if they ask for prayer you know just kind of in my conversations with people is are you connected to a local church?
• 1:15:56
  SPEAKER_07: Because so many people are looking and and searching for stuff now like we're kind of it's it's weird like excuse me like we're not we don't have like a lot of it's like people are going away from Jesus but they're still looking for spirituality.
• 1:16:13
  SPEAKER_01: So you have all these people looking online because we've quit being spiritual in the church that's why exactly yeah right it will it and that's and that's I mean that's what it comes down to dude like if you are seeking so for the longest time we've been bereft of any kind of spiritual interaction and we've been told that that's all hogwash and wives tales and all sorts of folklore that you know that those are Celts that just sacrifice in the middle of nowhere for fertility rituals which are ridiculous.
• 1:16:48
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like freaking ridiculous maybe they actually do have merit and maybe we should stop treating them like garbage and embrace Jesus in their place.
• 1:16:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah because if you don't I mean you're you're you're gonna have to go some spiritual route right like I I I personally am both terrified and excited to see the atheist garbage just crumbling.
• 1:17:14
  SPEAKER_01: I mean crumbling it's crumbling it is and nobody believes that anymore so they they have one of two options they either literally turn and and try and find some some solace for their pain or they try and find a a quick fix that will you know it's it's their their uh their spiritual addiction right it's just like it's just like a drug for them like they they treat it as okay got my fix today I'm good right like I don't know how many times I've heard new agers say um you know like I would meditate and I would feel amazing for like 25 minutes.
• 1:17:49
  SPEAKER_01: It's ridiculous and then I feel like hell all over again it's such a pyramid scheme.
• 1:17:53
  SPEAKER_07: It's it is so it just doesn't last.
• 1:17:56
  SPEAKER_07: It doesn't last at all.
• 1:17:57
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah it's I mean I tried everything I did yoga I did I mean I did all the yoga and then it right but because you feel good for a small amount of time and then you have to go back to it.
• 1:18:08
  SPEAKER_07: Tell me how that's not an addiction.
• 1:18:09
  SPEAKER_07: Well the thing is it it is because it's just never and then what happens is and what I'm finding at least with people that I know is that then what you just kind of then you stop all the processes right like so everything doesn't work and then you just kind of like stop searching and then you're just like okay well I'm like spiritual you know like whatever whatever that means.
• 1:18:32
  SPEAKER_07: I know that there's something but I can't seem to find the answer to I just giving it to me I'm tired right and you're just like well it's unknowable.
• 1:18:38
  SPEAKER_01: Everything is unknowable.
• 1:18:40
  SPEAKER_07: But the thing isn't I don't I gotta I catch myself because I don't want to be I don't want to be crass and I don't want to be nasty about that because I I know how that feels and I know how sure sure like I I totally because I I have to I have to remind myself because I will get sort of like attitude about it.
• 1:18:59
  SPEAKER_01: Like just like oh because it's it's I'm saying it to myself and I'm yeah you're most critical of what you what you I came out of you have the problem of right like you always criticize the other person for what you have.
• 1:19:09
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:19:09
  SPEAKER_07: Right.
• 1:19:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah but part of me is just because you know then I'm also looking at a an image bearer like you know whether you believe it or not you know I don't want you trapped in that I I I think that that's see that that's Christina that's one of our biggest harps is that you can't I mean you just you nailed it on the head they're image bearers and they're not your enemies.
• 1:19:32
  SPEAKER_01: Your enemies are not they're not usually visible.
• 1:19:36
  SPEAKER_01: They're usually occupying a space that's either invisible or very fringe.
• 1:19:41
  SPEAKER_01: You know there's not very many positive fringe things and and I will be the first to tell you I actually do think that there may be just some neutral things God has made.
• 1:19:50
  SPEAKER_07: That's just my personal I'm actually kind of coming to that like I can I'm kind of seeing that now too because the thing is also like when you come out of like unbelief and all of that sort of stuff and you start reading the Bible again it's exactly like kind of you really have to adjust your paradigm and you're relearning kind of the universe all over again because it's like if he is who he if he is who he says he is and how can because I remember asking him I was like okay I'm like okay look Jesus I can totally get down with you.
• 1:20:22
  SPEAKER_07: Like I get it like yes you are my Lord and savior like I you know did all the things and this is like me pretending I'm talking to him.
• 1:20:29
  SPEAKER_07: And then I was just like but really virgin birth really like back from the dead I was just like what and he I was just like you gotta you gotta I don't know how to believe this.
• 1:20:41
  SPEAKER_01: And it became this thing where it was just like again he said you know this is this is one of the coolest episodes I've done in a long time because I feel like I'm really revisiting a lot of the truths that God has revealed to us in the past two years or so.
• 1:20:55
  SPEAKER_08: Good thing it's a good thing to remember from when did it come it's really good.
• 1:21:00
  SPEAKER_01: Um I mean see you're like and I keep I keep wanting to bring this back because you're asking good questions and I want to give you solid answers.
• 1:21:07
  SPEAKER_01: And the question is is why why would we focus on this stuff?
• 1:21:10
  SPEAKER_01: Well let me give you a good solid example.
• 1:21:13
  SPEAKER_01: So it turns out that the physical characteristics of a or the human we'll just call them the most human aspects the most physical aspects of of a of a child come from the mother side but the spiritual aspects of a child come from the father's side.
• 1:21:30
  SPEAKER_01: Oh interesting and so who how was it possible for Christ to be born from the virgin birth he had to have his father birth him because his father is the spiritual side and Mary gave him his physical attributes and so when you start breaking stuff like that down then you start understanding not only generational blessings but generational curses as well.
• 1:21:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah and you start understanding who's in charge and how they're in charge.
• 1:21:58
  SPEAKER_01: See that that's why this stuff is important to me.
• 1:22:01
  SPEAKER_01: I want to understand the nature of reality itself.
• 1:22:04
  SPEAKER_01: I want I I if we've studied it I don't I mean we could revisit it that's fine but I'm not really interested in revisiting it.
• 1:22:11
  SPEAKER_01: I I really am like okay let's let's move on like what else can I learn now?
• 1:22:14
  SPEAKER_01: You know I want to understand how did God make this matrix like how does it work?
• 1:22:19
  SPEAKER_01: Why is it this way right?
• 1:22:21
  SPEAKER_08: And so does it seem like it's old in some places and not in others.
• 1:22:24
  SPEAKER_08: Exactly what is what is this whole what is this whole thing is it's true I mean what are these glitches?
• 1:22:31
  SPEAKER_01: We can bring it back to the Nephilim and why they're relevant.
• 1:22:33
  SPEAKER_01: Why are they relevant?
• 1:22:34
  SPEAKER_01: Because they couldn't occupy a place in heaven why couldn't they occupy a place in heaven because there are no female angels why are there no female angels because there had to be human wombs on earth where these could gest these could uh uh gestate is that the right word yeah gestate yeah sorry Spanish again Spanish is like yeah um so so stuff like that is all relevant and and you you start to piece it together little little by little and you're like oh my gosh this story is wild crazy all makes sense it really all does make sense so people when they're when they come to me and they're like I asked some guy today I'm like you know who Billy Carson is he goes yeah I go do you know who Wes Huff is he goes I have no idea I'm like you should freaking watch Joe Rogan go watch it right now or go watch the Billy Huff crazy um yeah uh or the the Billy Carson Wes Huff uh debate debate yeah demolishment I guess is a better word for it that that's what I mean Christina just leverage what you got that's what you gotta do we we we are that's what I mean when I say time because time is short you have to leverage everything for the kingdom and so even when we're you know walking about our daily lives we're living we're we're learning all these things that I think are super cool and and stuff but I'm always thinking okay God if you made reality this way then show me how to walk in it properly.
• 1:23:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah if if the matrix exists this way then show me where I how I can make this applicable in my life and how I can share it with other believers to make it applicable in their life right so why is alchemy useful how can I okay well I've already started like understanding okay so if everything came from one source and it comes to this then how how does the actual nature of of science how is it useful for us?
• 1:24:22
  SPEAKER_01: Did you make science for us so that we could heal ourselves that so that our bodies could be healed?
• 1:24:27
  SPEAKER_01: Was that your original plan?
• 1:24:28
  SPEAKER_01: Sure seems like it to me you know but we like to commandeer things and steer them in a direction that are man centered and not God centered.
• 1:24:36
  SPEAKER_07: But we just can't help it.
• 1:24:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah no we can't we just can't help it that's why this stuff is relevant.
• 1:24:41
  SPEAKER_01: No it is it totally is it it yeah I just but I just want to I always want to make because somebody asked me the other day and you and you and you very poignantly asked this question too okay but Jesus but that's not it.
• 1:24:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah Jesus didn't say go and save the nations he said go disciple the nations yeah right and so if we don't learn this stuff we can't teach what the Bible actually properly says.
• 1:25:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:25:05
  SPEAKER_01: And so people don't get discipled and then they have all these questions like well what about this and what about that and then they fall right back into the same stuff because they just don't they don't see any any solid ground to learn or they fall into um just complete falsehood to right or complacency or you know yeah I think your point of it becoming it it can become white noise why is it relevant you know what I've heard I I follow Tucker Carlson I'm not gonna lie I like the no I like him too yeah yeah um he's hilarious when he's not hilarious things he's still funny he's still at this point where he's like dude I believe in Christ I believe in God I they're they're fine Joe leave them Joe Rogan is like this far by the way guys we gotta just seriously keep praying for Nanny yeah oh yeah yeah um gosh and I lost my sorry shop uh you really like talking about yeah yeah so he talks about these things but then he he like backs away like okay you believe in the Nephilim but then what?
• 1:26:17
  SPEAKER_08: And see and that's the thing I think the Nephawa Nepha who you know the Nephys the Nephilim if we stop there it's not complete.
• 1:26:32
  SPEAKER_08: It's a matter of okay why do they matter again and I think we've already covered this fairly well it's because Jesus came and saved us from their machinations right he he came to set us free from that.
• 1:26:45
  SPEAKER_08: But if we don't get to that point then it's just it's just goosebumps and cool stories.
• 1:26:52
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah I mean I like goosebumps and cool stories as much as everybody else does.
• 1:26:56
  SPEAKER_01: Wait wait wait hold on hold on if I don't say this it's gonna be a missed opportunity goosebumps were cool stories.
• 1:27:02
  SPEAKER_07: I was just gonna say I was raised on goosebumps well then they were they were definitely um fun stories totally I still have some I think I have all of them and I like rewatch them with my child all of them I grew up on that did you did you see the 90s kid I even hate to say this because it's probably gonna be really horrible but um Disney did a reboot that it just came out yeah it's got the guy from Friends so that's yeah what it's a big whenever one of those guys it is right it's a big no for me and they were like friends so no I was Chandler friends watch Chandler what's his name that I don't know because I remember Rachel.
• 1:27:46
  SPEAKER_07: I don't know I've seen eight episodes maybe not Joey.
• 1:27:50
  SPEAKER_07: He was a stupid one I feel like I'm talking about new kids on the block.
• 1:27:55
  SPEAKER_07: Um what saying who's the Tyler Taylor Taylor Rachel Rachel Ross Ross.
• 1:28:04
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 1:28:05
  SPEAKER_07: So as soon as I saw that, I was just like, you know.
• 1:28:07
  SPEAKER_08: She was like, oh, it's a nope.
• 1:28:09
  SPEAKER_07: I'm gonna nope right on past that.
• 1:28:11
  SPEAKER_08: I was like, uh, I don't know.
• 1:28:13
  SPEAKER_08: Again, we've done it.
• 1:28:14
  SPEAKER_07: Since he did it, like, you know, it gets boring after a while.
• 1:28:17
  SPEAKER_07: Like, stop redoing everything.
• 1:28:19
  SPEAKER_07: Well, there's that's because there's no creation left.
• 1:28:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:28:23
  SPEAKER_07: Just like the devil to not be creative.
• 1:28:25
  SPEAKER_01: We pre we replaced creativity with creatives.
• 1:28:29
  SPEAKER_08: I'm a creative.
• 1:28:31
  SPEAKER_01: You're not a creative, you're a creative.
• 1:28:33
  SPEAKER_08: You're not my dig in.
• 1:28:35
  SPEAKER_07: As a creator.
• 1:28:36
  SPEAKER_01: You're an artist, dude.
• 1:28:37
  SPEAKER_01: Don't call yourself a creative.
• 1:28:38
  SPEAKER_01: You're an artist.
• 1:28:39
  SPEAKER_07: I find that problematic.
• 1:28:41
  SPEAKER_07: I don't know.
• 1:28:41
  SPEAKER_07: Whatever.
• 1:28:42
  SPEAKER_01: That you're an artist?
• 1:28:42
  SPEAKER_01: As a poet.
• 1:28:43
  SPEAKER_07: No, just kidding.
• 1:28:44
  SPEAKER_08: I don't know.
• 1:28:45
  SPEAKER_08: I don't I I don't like to be called a teacher, but we teach.
• 1:28:48
  SPEAKER_08: I don't like podcasting because it just is reminisce of spellcasting.
• 1:28:52
  SPEAKER_08: Although the word casting to it, we are casting.
• 1:28:56
  SPEAKER_01: Are we patching?
• 1:28:57
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not sure what a pod is.
• 1:28:59
  SPEAKER_01: That's weird.
• 1:29:00
  SPEAKER_01: Like seeds.
• 1:29:01
  SPEAKER_08: I mean, I guess we are.
• 1:29:03
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, dude, don't get me started on pogs.
• 1:29:05
  SPEAKER_07: Pogs.
• 1:29:06
  SPEAKER_07: Oh man.
• 1:29:07
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 1:29:07
  SPEAKER_07: My husband did not understand pogs.
• 1:29:09
  SPEAKER_07: I was like, man, you just missed it.
• 1:29:10
  SPEAKER_07: You're like a couple years older than me.
• 1:29:12
  SPEAKER_07: That's a bummer.
• 1:29:13
  SPEAKER_07: They were both bummer.
• 1:29:15
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, they were.
• 1:29:16
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, I don't know.
• 1:29:16
  SPEAKER_07: I don't know what to call this.
• 1:29:17
  SPEAKER_07: I just wanted to do so much calling it on the fringe space.
• 1:29:20
  SPEAKER_08: The fringe space.
• 1:29:21
  SPEAKER_08: I mean, it works.
• 1:29:22
  SPEAKER_08: And and it's when I tell people, you know, oh, you know, yeah, I have a podcast.
• 1:29:28
  SPEAKER_08: And uh then they're like, oh, really?
• 1:29:32
  SPEAKER_08: What is it?
• 1:29:32
  SPEAKER_08: And I'm like, that would sound way cooler than it is.
• 1:29:36
  SPEAKER_01: Most of them get really excited when you tell them that it's it it's it's what we talk about.
• 1:29:40
  SPEAKER_01: We talk because they're like, Well, what do you talk about?
• 1:29:42
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, I'm like, the easiest thing to tell you is like we talk about aliens, portals, you know, the giants.
• 1:29:47
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe I just am not sure.
• 1:29:48
  SPEAKER_01: It's just the easiest way to say it.
• 1:29:50
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, like we talk about fringe stuff, and then they're like, Well, what it is, yeah.
• 1:29:54
  SPEAKER_01: No, just tell them aliens, and they're like, really?
• 1:29:56
  SPEAKER_01: And then you're like, Yeah.
• 1:29:57
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, from the thing is viewpoint.
• 1:30:00
  SPEAKER_07: I guess, I guess, like my whole thing.
• 1:30:01
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I don't, I don't shy away from that.
• 1:30:03
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, I know.
• 1:30:04
  SPEAKER_01: Well, we're Christians, but we tackle stuff like aliens, uh, you know, portal.
• 1:30:08
  SPEAKER_08: I mean, I just usually the stuff you will never hear about on a Sunday in a Sunday service for now.
• 1:30:14
  SPEAKER_08: For now, right?
• 1:30:15
  SPEAKER_08: Well, you know what?
• 1:30:16
  SPEAKER_08: I don't know.
• 1:30:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he sure is.
• 1:30:19
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know how how fast that's gonna happen.
• 1:30:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but that's why that's why I'm so interested to to start these ministries.
• 1:30:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:30:27
  SPEAKER_01: These individual local ministries.
• 1:30:29
  SPEAKER_01: Like it it's necessary, man.
• 1:30:31
  SPEAKER_01: It's so necessary, it's so heavy on my heart, and I don't know, I don't even know how to approach my pastor with it.
• 1:30:36
  SPEAKER_01: I just don't even know how to be like, dude, we need this to happen.
• 1:30:40
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I mean, I also I also have a Hispanic population from all sorts of Latin America, so it's very weird.
• 1:30:47
  SPEAKER_08: But you know what?
• 1:30:49
  SPEAKER_08: Almost all of them have probably had some sort of UFO encounter or somebody in their family who has.
• 1:30:58
  SPEAKER_01: A cousin that that that her mom has, and she was like, I was like, Do you want to come on and talk about it?
• 1:31:02
  SPEAKER_01: She's like, sure, you're my mom will probably talk about it.
• 1:31:04
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, all right, let's do it.
• 1:31:05
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe let's in Spanish.
• 1:31:07
  SPEAKER_07: I mean, honestly, I think what's gonna happen is like so the way that I'm kind of like approaching it, right?
• 1:31:12
  SPEAKER_07: Because I kind of have the same heart where it's like I really want to minister to these people that I know I know there's millions of people that have these crazy experiences.
• 1:31:19
  SPEAKER_07: Right.
• 1:31:20
  SPEAKER_07: But I think by being transparent and talking to your pastor and letting your pastor know, hey, this is what I'm doing, like if perchance some they know someone, you know, they can send them your way.
• 1:31:34
  SPEAKER_07: Otherwise, like I said, I don't think it's gonna happen in the local walk-in church, it's gonna be it on this platform.
• 1:31:41
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you know, yeah.
• 1:31:43
  SPEAKER_01: What I mean is that there's already people that are believers and they don't know how to make heads or tails of stuff.
• 1:31:51
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that okay, well, here's the thing.
• 1:31:55
  SPEAKER_01: As as Shelly probably already alluded to the idea, I am not a pre-tribber and neither is Shelly.
• 1:32:01
  SPEAKER_01: I am not a mid-tribber and neither is Shelly.
• 1:32:03
  SPEAKER_07: I am not an almost trib anti-wish and then do me a favor, explain that to the audience.
• 1:32:08
  SPEAKER_07: Okay, yeah.
• 1:32:09
  SPEAKER_07: So yeah, so a pre-trib, please.
• 1:32:11
  SPEAKER_07: A pre-tribber is no tootin' and scootin'.
• 1:32:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:32:14
  SPEAKER_01: A pre-tribber believes that that the rapture happens before the tribulation period, which is the seven years uh mentioned in Daniel, which if I'm not mistaken is the final week, I think that's a good one.
• 1:32:25
  SPEAKER_01: It is the final week, yes.
• 1:32:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and then mid-tribers are essentially they say that the first three years of the yeah, three and a half, excuse me, because the last three and a half are God pouring out his wrath.
• 1:32:37
  SPEAKER_01: And then the the ones that are almost uh post-trib are like basically like right before the final showdown happens that we're pulled up and then taken out and stuff.
• 1:32:48
  SPEAKER_01: And then post-tribers, like myself, believe that we will go through the tribulation and then basically vanquish the enemy.
• 1:32:55
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
• 1:32:56
  SPEAKER_08: When Jesus comes back, he's coming back once, and at that moment we will meet him in the sky.
• 1:33:01
  SPEAKER_08: First, those who who are dead and then those who remain.
• 1:33:06
  SPEAKER_08: And there's gonna be a massive battle at Harmagedo, which is not the valley of Armageddon, but it's the place between the two mountains um in Jerusalem.
• 1:33:20
  SPEAKER_08: Yep.
• 1:33:21
  SPEAKER_08: Very long, so very, very long eschatological uh teaching there.
• 1:33:27
  SPEAKER_01: Short sh short oh, sorry, sorry, I mean you got shell.
• 1:33:29
  SPEAKER_08: But Jesus comes once.
• 1:33:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, that's kind of that's the point.
• 1:33:34
  SPEAKER_08: That we meet him and we fight, and for some reason, everybody who hasn't been killed because it's like a third of the earth's population is killed, and then half of that, and then another third, and I mean that math leaves you with a really, really good price and a sale item, but not a lot of humans on the earth at that time.
• 1:33:55
  SPEAKER_01: Which you can fill in the blanks with all sorts of reasons why that happens.
• 1:33:59
  SPEAKER_01: Some of them are explicitly mentioned, but others are like, well, there's gonna be solutions.
• 1:34:05
  SPEAKER_08: Like he's coming back on a white horse with his robes drenched in blood, um, a sword coming out of his mouth, nuking the Nephilim.
• 1:34:16
  SPEAKER_01: Somehow nuking the Nephilim, nuking the Neph.
• 1:34:20
  SPEAKER_01: We have a shirt called Nuking the Nephilim.
• 1:34:22
  SPEAKER_08: Knife.
• 1:34:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we do.
• 1:34:23
  SPEAKER_01: Um so so essentially that that I mean, I don't even know how we got on this conversation.
• 1:34:30
  SPEAKER_08: We don't believe in a secret catching away of cash.
• 1:34:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's that's kind of why I went that way.
• 1:34:35
  SPEAKER_01: And so I remember why.
• 1:34:37
  SPEAKER_01: I just think things are just gonna get crazier and crazier and crazier.
• 1:34:42
  SPEAKER_07: I feel like that's where I am.
• 1:34:43
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 1:34:44
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that, yeah, you you you probably that's why when you said that, I was like, oh, she probably sits in the same spot we do.
• 1:34:49
  SPEAKER_01: And I may be wrong.
• 1:34:51
  SPEAKER_07: I would like to awesome.
• 1:34:52
  SPEAKER_07: That's awesome.
• 1:34:53
  SPEAKER_07: Like, I don't really think about things like that.
• 1:34:55
  SPEAKER_07: Like, I don't really it's because again, like I just like I don't really think of things like that.
• 1:35:00
  SPEAKER_07: I'm just kind of like, all right, Jesus, um whatever happened to you, I'm here's I'm sure why.
• 1:35:07
  SPEAKER_08: Let me finish super quick.
• 1:35:08
  SPEAKER_01: I'm almost almost done, Sean.
• 1:35:09
  SPEAKER_01: I was almost finished, and then you can totally take it away because I it's good for you to explain why it's important.
• 1:35:14
  SPEAKER_01: Um, essentially, uh, we believe that things are just gonna get weirder and weirder and crazier and crazier.
• 1:35:21
  SPEAKER_01: And as, and this is this is my personal belief.
• 1:35:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I actually took this from um somebody else.
• 1:35:28
  SPEAKER_01: I can't remember a guy's name off the top of my head.
• 1:35:30
  SPEAKER_01: I'm so sorry.
• 1:35:31
  SPEAKER_01: But he he his point is is that as exponentially we start to see uh the the merger of human machine and angelic, whatever you want to call it, we're going to we're going to buy the uh uh uh how do you say it uh simultaneously or or um parallel, we're going to as humans continue to be upgraded by God Himself directly.
• 1:35:56
  SPEAKER_08: Spirit filled Christians, believers, followers of Jesus.
• 1:35:59
  SPEAKER_08: And so as you're seeing this increment happening, you're also going to see Christ followers literally like be upgraded or have the Holy Spirit will exactly the Holy Spirit will level up and this level us up.
• 1:36:12
  SPEAKER_01: And this is based on um, and we're already kind of experiencing this, but this is based on when Christ tells us that greater things than these shall you do.
• 1:36:20
  SPEAKER_01: And so we'll begin to literally be like more like higher beings of ourselves, like higher levels of our own human self.
• 1:36:33
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I don't mean by any by any stretch of the imagination that we do this thing, I mean that God literally transformed like we are transmogrified into awesome, more less, less uh less physical human and probably more spiritual human.
• 1:36:47
  SPEAKER_08: Spiritual human.
• 1:36:47
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, that even makes sense.
• 1:36:49
  SPEAKER_08: No, it does.
• 1:36:49
  SPEAKER_08: No, it does.
• 1:36:50
  SPEAKER_08: No, that's good.
• 1:36:51
  SPEAKER_08: Here's why the eschatological point matters because there are so many people, so many, and man, it's I I I follow many uh pastors who believe this way.
• 1:37:10
  SPEAKER_08: My pastor believes this way.
• 1:37:12
  SPEAKER_08: So is my do in the pre-trib.
• 1:37:14
  SPEAKER_08: Pre-trib, right?
• 1:37:15
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, uh-huh.
• 1:37:16
  SPEAKER_08: They very much they believe in it.
• 1:37:18
  SPEAKER_08: And very frequently they'll say, Don't worry about the the world's getting bad, man, things are crazy, but don't worry about it because we're gonna be raptured, we don't have to go through that.
• 1:37:29
  SPEAKER_08: And the thing is, is if that we're gonna be raptured doesn't happen, and I'm telling you, uh I can challenge anybody who prove it to me by the word of God.
• 1:37:40
  SPEAKER_08: You cannot, because you take these they they have to um conflate various scriptures to get to this point.
• 1:37:50
  SPEAKER_08: They and juxtapose certain things to make it work.
• 1:37:53
  SPEAKER_08: They have to say this scripture says this, it it's it's like, gosh, I'm gonna go off on a small rabbit trail.
• 1:38:00
  SPEAKER_08: Um the Bible doesn't tell us that a third of the angels followed the devil when he when he decided to rebel against God.
• 1:38:10
  SPEAKER_01: Which is supposedly a reference to Revelation where the th a third of the stars are swept from the heavens.
• 1:38:15
  SPEAKER_01: Revelation 12, 4.
• 1:38:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it doesn't necessarily say that they're angels, not gonna it says that they're stars, nothing.
• 1:38:21
  SPEAKER_08: It doesn't really matter, even if it said angels, I have never ever, ever, ever had any story equate a dragon sweeping away something with its tail to mean that those things followed it willingly.
• 1:38:42
  SPEAKER_08: Not what so if those stars are angelic beings, then they're being swept by his tail and cast away, does that mean that a third of the angels are gonna die?
• 1:38:57
  SPEAKER_08: I d I don't think angels die.
• 1:39:00
  SPEAKER_08: So that that doesn't make it I I don't think so.
• 1:39:06
  SPEAKER_08: It could it also be the stars representing the saints, the church?
• 1:39:12
  SPEAKER_08: It definitely could.
• 1:39:14
  SPEAKER_08: Within the vernacular, there is substance to that.
• 1:39:18
  SPEAKER_08: My point is everybody says a third of the angels fell with Lucifer.
• 1:39:25
  SPEAKER_08: That's what the Bible tells us.
• 1:39:27
  SPEAKER_08: That's what Revelation 12.4 says, but it's not, uh it's not what Revelation 12.4 and then Revelation 12.9 uh says people conflate the two together and assume that it means when Lucifer uh was uh kicked out of heaven that he got a third of the angels to go along with his uh his treason.
• 1:39:49
  SPEAKER_08: And that's not the case, but that's that's what conflating does, and that's how pre-trib is.
• 1:39:56
  SPEAKER_08: It's uh it's a slight twisting and misuse of a scripture mixed with this one, and they blend it all together, and so this sounds good.
• 1:40:06
  SPEAKER_08: Uh, we are not designated for wrath, therefore God's gonna pull us away when whoever the um the restrainer is, and there are people who believe the restrainer is the Holy Spirit, but there are also a lot of theologians who think the restrainer might be Satan, um, and that one of the other um deities Michael like Apollyon or uh Saturn come in and and take over.
• 1:40:35
  SPEAKER_08: Um whatever.
• 1:40:36
  SPEAKER_08: I mean, that's that's that's the weird stuff we're not gonna know until it happens.
• 1:40:42
  SPEAKER_08: Right.
• 1:40:43
  SPEAKER_08: But so millions and millions and millions of Christians are being set up to think, don't worry about it.
• 1:40:52
  SPEAKER_08: When it gets hard, it's okay.
• 1:40:54
  SPEAKER_08: God's gonna give us the slide.
• 1:40:56
  SPEAKER_08: We're gone, we don't have to worry about it.
• 1:40:58
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 1:40:59
  SPEAKER_08: And if the word of God doesn't tell us that and we're going through this, how many people are gonna fall away because their pastor assured them that God was gonna toot and they were gonna scoot and they weren't gonna get any of this because we're not designated for wrath.
• 1:41:17
  SPEAKER_08: We're not, I am not de designated for wrath.
• 1:41:20
  SPEAKER_08: The worst thing I will ever experience is on this planet.
• 1:41:24
  SPEAKER_08: Whatever it is, I am not going to hell.
• 1:41:27
  SPEAKER_08: I don't have to experience God's wrath.
• 1:41:30
  SPEAKER_08: But dying for the cause of Christ, yeah.
• 1:41:35
  SPEAKER_08: They overcame still in Revelation 12, amazingly enough, they overcame the dragon by the blood of the lamb and the word of their testimony, because they did not love their life even unto death.
• 1:41:51
  SPEAKER_08: That's how we overcome.
• 1:41:52
  SPEAKER_01: And and just to really, I mean, I think not even like a final point, but just to kind of really put it in perspective.
• 1:42:01
  SPEAKER_01: I always go back to early Christianity and Rome.
• 1:42:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:42:06
  SPEAKER_01: They were brutalized.
• 1:42:08
  SPEAKER_01: Those people were murdered in ways you can't speak.
• 1:42:13
  SPEAKER_08: Damn.
• 1:42:14
  SPEAKER_08: Right.
• 1:42:15
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 1:42:16
  SPEAKER_08: How is that not rare?
• 1:42:18
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's brutal, right?
• 1:42:21
  SPEAKER_01: But then I think about stuff like I I I I I've listened to some of the deaths that they'll be in the middle of a coliseum on flame, like a burning hot chairs, and their bodies are just like pulled apart, you know?
• 1:42:32
  SPEAKER_07: Nobody, nobody dies for that for a lie.
• 1:42:37
  SPEAKER_07: You don't die for a lie.
• 1:42:39
  SPEAKER_01: And so that's why I say like I I just don't I just don't see us like getting out of here early.
• 1:42:46
  SPEAKER_01: I if I'm wrong, I I pray to God that I'm wrong.
• 1:42:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:42:50
  SPEAKER_01: I really do.
• 1:42:51
  SPEAKER_01: I ask the Lord, Lord, please let me be wrong.
• 1:42:53
  SPEAKER_01: That'd be awesome.
• 1:42:54
  SPEAKER_01: But at the same time, whatever He whatever He wills will also be awesome.
• 1:42:58
  SPEAKER_01: Like it'll be unlike anything we can possibly imagine.
• 1:43:02
  SPEAKER_01: And that theory about us actually um being upgraded, one of the wildest things that you you can hear that I've heard is that that our our communication will begin to become telepathic and that it'll actually be encrypted communication.
• 1:43:19
  SPEAKER_01: And enemies won't be able to hear what we're thinking across people.
• 1:43:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's wild.
• 1:43:27
  SPEAKER_08: Right.
• 1:43:28
  SPEAKER_01: Now do you now do you see why now do you see why this stuff matters to me?
• 1:43:31
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's so it's so cool because if people have if people can get like just like you're saying, if they can get the big picture, yeah, then they stopped thinking small and they stopped saying, but who cares if if these giants existed?
• 1:43:44
  SPEAKER_01: I freaking care because it it it affected the rest of everything that we live.
• 1:43:48
  SPEAKER_01: Like it totally affected it.
• 1:43:50
  SPEAKER_08: Look at Job's answer to all of the affliction that got allowed to come his way.
• 1:43:56
  SPEAKER_08: What does he say?
• 1:43:58
  SPEAKER_08: Though he slay me.
• 1:44:01
  SPEAKER_05: Bless him.
• 1:44:04
  SPEAKER_08: Like that is that that's where I want to be.
• 1:44:07
  SPEAKER_08: Though he slay me.
• 1:44:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, for sure.
• 1:44:10
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 1:44:11
  SPEAKER_07: See, look, for my for my audience, you guys wanted a scary story.
• 1:44:15
  SPEAKER_07: Here we go.
• 1:44:16
  SPEAKER_07: That's a scary story.
• 1:44:18
  SPEAKER_07: We just told you one.
• 1:44:20
  SPEAKER_07: Oh there you go.
• 1:44:22
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, I thought you were about to start one.
• 1:44:23
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, oh, we're gonna start another stick.
• 1:44:25
  SPEAKER_07: So see, like in all this in full disclosure, guys, like you know, we always say, like baby Christians, I'm probably I like to say, um I'm probably like God's middle schooler, I think at this point.
• 1:44:36
  SPEAKER_07: Maybe you're maybe I'm in high school.
• 1:44:38
  SPEAKER_07: I might be in high school.
• 1:44:40
  SPEAKER_07: Maybe.
• 1:44:41
  SPEAKER_07: You know what?
• 1:44:41
  SPEAKER_07: The thing is, is that you you you're seeking him.
• 1:44:45
  SPEAKER_08: And he promised that when you seek me, you find me when you seek me with your whole heart.
• 1:44:50
  SPEAKER_08: Your whole heart.
• 1:44:51
  SPEAKER_08: It doesn't matter if you're four, if you're 40, or however long you have walked on the journey with him.
• 1:44:57
  SPEAKER_08: If we seek him with all our heart, we're gonna find him.
• 1:45:00
  SPEAKER_08: And that's why we find people like Russell Brandt, uh John Ryan.
• 1:45:07
  SPEAKER_08: Oh my gosh.
• 1:45:09
  SPEAKER_08: That's why we see them finding Jesus because they're seeking the truth.
• 1:45:12
  SPEAKER_08: That's why I know Rogan's gonna come.
• 1:45:15
  SPEAKER_08: Because he seeks the truth, man, and he is willing.
• 1:45:19
  SPEAKER_08: It doesn't matter.
• 1:45:20
  SPEAKER_01: Did you did you notice how I don't know if you if if you guys watched the the one with uh Mel Gibson?
• 1:45:24
  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
• 1:45:25
  SPEAKER_07: That was awesome.
• 1:45:25
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, did you watch it?
• 1:45:26
  SPEAKER_07: It was so great.
• 1:45:26
  SPEAKER_01: You know how did you focus on how many times he said that there is good and evil?
• 1:45:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 1:45:31
  SPEAKER_01: It was wild.
• 1:45:32
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, this is the same freaking Joe Rogan I know.
• 1:45:35
  SPEAKER_07: And I'll tell you what, I was so like, whatever anybody thinks about Mel Gibson, I don't care.
• 1:45:41
  SPEAKER_07: Mel Gibson was like just I like him.
• 1:45:43
  SPEAKER_07: I like him, but I love the fact that he just was like, Yeah, like this is just how it is.
• 1:45:48
  SPEAKER_07: Like he's just such a he just does it so naturally.
• 1:45:52
  SPEAKER_08: The only thing that bothered me, and it's funny, I just told Ricky we have to we we have to do an episode um talking about this.
• 1:46:02
  SPEAKER_08: No, it was the well, so do you think you're going to heaven?
• 1:46:08
  SPEAKER_08: And he was like, Well, I guess it all depends on how I live my life.
• 1:46:14
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
• 1:46:15
  SPEAKER_01: At the very end, right?
• 1:46:16
  SPEAKER_08: He said that kind of that hurts me.
• 1:46:18
  SPEAKER_08: It's soft pedaling.
• 1:46:20
  SPEAKER_05: Um honestly, that's a very Muslim belief.
• 1:46:23
  SPEAKER_08: You can live like hell because the um one of one of those two criminals on the cross on either side of Yeshua, he lived like hell his entire life.
• 1:46:40
  SPEAKER_08: Up until that moment.
• 1:46:41
  SPEAKER_08: Like that's why he was there.
• 1:46:43
  SPEAKER_08: Until that moment, he even jeered with everybody else while they were on the cross.
• 1:46:48
  SPEAKER_08: Yep.
• 1:46:49
  SPEAKER_08: Something changed in him, and it was sincere when he said, When you enter your kingdom, Lord, will you remember me?
• 1:46:56
  SPEAKER_08: Like you can live your whole life like hell.
• 1:46:58
  SPEAKER_08: And I'm not advocating live your life like hell.
• 1:47:00
  SPEAKER_08: Right.
• 1:47:01
  SPEAKER_08: That's not what I'm saying.
• 1:47:02
  SPEAKER_08: You can live your life, you can be Mother Teresa, but if you have not accepted that free gift that Jesus gives us when he gave everything, um that you're gonna get your wish.
• 1:47:18
  SPEAKER_08: You're you in the end, what it comes down to is if you want to be with God, you will be with God, and if you don't want to be with God, you will not be with God.
• 1:47:27
  SPEAKER_08: Um John said it so well.
• 1:47:30
  SPEAKER_08: Uh John Burke, man, I I cannot interview, man.
• 1:47:35
  SPEAKER_08: I can't wait to hear.
• 1:47:36
  SPEAKER_08: Tell people enough.
• 1:47:38
  SPEAKER_08: His I go to his podcast, his books are really good.
• 1:47:43
  SPEAKER_08: Ricky read Imagine Heaven, and I read Imagine the God of Heaven, and both of them, man, you just you love Jesus.
• 1:47:50
  SPEAKER_01: There was parts through him.
• 1:47:53
  SPEAKER_01: I I I rarely get like that, but like there was there was literally a part I was listening to the audiobook and I I had to pause the audio book because I was driving to work and I was sobbing.
• 1:48:05
  SPEAKER_01: Oh wow.
• 1:48:06
  SPEAKER_01: Sobbing.
• 1:48:06
  SPEAKER_01: I was sobbing.
• 1:48:07
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, they're they're really good.
• 1:48:09
  SPEAKER_01: I'll I man, just God, God, I I can't stress enough how much God thinks of every tiny, tiny, tiny detail.
• 1:48:21
  SPEAKER_01: Like it it's just it's unbelievable.
• 1:48:24
  SPEAKER_01: Uh this one girl, uh can I tell the story?
• 1:48:26
  SPEAKER_01: I'll just tell the story real quick.
• 1:48:27
  SPEAKER_01: It's just too freaking good.
• 1:48:29
  SPEAKER_01: This girl has this out-of-body experience.
• 1:48:31
  SPEAKER_01: She's not lived well.
• 1:48:32
  SPEAKER_01: She tells the Lord.
• 1:48:34
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I know which one you're talking about.
• 1:48:36
  SPEAKER_01: Um Erica, is that her name?
• 1:48:39
  SPEAKER_01: I think he said it was, right?
• 1:48:40
  SPEAKER_01: So she she is Colombian, if I'm not mistaken.
• 1:48:44
  SPEAKER_08: She is Colombian, you were not mistaken.
• 1:48:46
  SPEAKER_01: She she's fallen into hell and she says, Jesus, save me.
• 1:48:52
  SPEAKER_01: Jesus pulls her up out of this pit, out of this darkness.
• 1:48:55
  SPEAKER_08: She's falling into hell.
• 1:48:56
  SPEAKER_08: Not fallen, but she's she's falling into hell.
• 1:49:01
  SPEAKER_01: Jesus pulls her up out of this falling position from hell, puts her all the way up, basically in heaven.
• 1:49:07
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, we'll just call it what it is.
• 1:49:09
  SPEAKER_06: Right.
• 1:49:09
  SPEAKER_01: She's face to face with Jesus and is mortified because of her own sin and says, throw me back.
• 1:49:17
  SPEAKER_08: I don't, I don't deserve it here.
• 1:49:20
  SPEAKER_01: And Jesus has to like pep talk her and tell you, you do, you do, you do, you do.
• 1:49:24
  SPEAKER_01: And and then she finally says, Fine, Lord, then if that's the case, show me someone I love.
• 1:49:30
  SPEAKER_01: Let me see someone I love.
• 1:49:32
  SPEAKER_01: And God, and I man, if I if I cry, it's not on purpose, I promise.
• 1:49:37
  SPEAKER_01: God shows her one of her animals that passed away like two months before.
• 1:49:42
  SPEAKER_01: And then she she turns to just a tiny bit to her left and she sees her other dog that passed away two weeks prior.
• 1:49:49
  SPEAKER_01: Mitt and wild, wild stuff.
• 1:49:52
  SPEAKER_01: Like amazing.
• 1:49:54
  SPEAKER_07: I'm gonna cry.
• 1:49:55
  SPEAKER_07: It's I definitely our episode is super great.
• 1:49:59
  SPEAKER_08: We uh All gods do go to heaven.
• 1:50:02
  SPEAKER_08: They do go.
• 1:50:02
  SPEAKER_08: Well, why would they not, man?
• 1:50:05
  SPEAKER_08: God didn't make them to be a clip.
• 1:50:07
  SPEAKER_08: He didn't give us a love from nothing.
• 1:50:10
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:50:10
  SPEAKER_01: And and and that that just lends to there's this other thing that because everything serves God's kingdom.
• 1:50:18
  SPEAKER_01: Everything has its place.
• 1:50:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:50:20
  SPEAKER_01: There's this video I watched.
• 1:50:28
  SPEAKER_01: It's a reel.
• 1:50:28
  SPEAKER_01: It's a basically a reel.
• 1:50:30
  SPEAKER_01: This guy's driving, and a doe comes out in front of his car, stops his car, impedes him from advancing.
• 1:50:38
  SPEAKER_01: He gets out of the car.
• 1:50:39
  SPEAKER_01: He follows the doe to where her.
• 1:50:41
  SPEAKER_08: Because she's showing that she's in some sort of distraction.
• 1:50:45
  SPEAKER_08: She's not like aggressive.
• 1:50:46
  SPEAKER_01: She's trying to stop the car.
• 1:50:48
  SPEAKER_01: And he follows her walking to where there's her her baby, this fawn that's that's stuck in in like a soccer, like a three-on-three soccer net.
• 1:51:00
  SPEAKER_01: He cuts the net open, and the fawn escapes, runs off, and they run off into the wood.
• 1:51:05
  SPEAKER_01: And as he's walking back to his car, the mother with the fawn comes out from the bushes, and the fawn walks up to this guy and kneels before and bows before this guy pets the fawn.
• 1:51:22
  SPEAKER_01: I started weeping, dude, because that kind of stuff is like everything serves God.
• 1:51:27
  SPEAKER_01: Everything has its place.
• 1:51:29
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's a kingdom, everything has a place for God's glory.
• 1:51:33
  SPEAKER_01: It's so wild.
• 1:51:34
  SPEAKER_01: And it's so magical.
• 1:51:36
  SPEAKER_07: Like that's just it.
• 1:51:37
  SPEAKER_07: It's feeling magical to me.
• 1:51:39
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if magical is a word I would use because I I hate magic.
• 1:51:42
  SPEAKER_01: It is it is the right thing.
• 1:51:45
  SPEAKER_01: It's glorious.
• 1:51:46
  SPEAKER_07: Magical.
• 1:51:50
  SPEAKER_08: It was the way it was designed.
• 1:51:52
  SPEAKER_08: You know what?
• 1:51:52
  SPEAKER_08: Magic isn't gone.
• 1:51:54
  SPEAKER_08: That's the thing.
• 1:51:54
  SPEAKER_08: That's the whole thing.
• 1:51:55
  SPEAKER_08: I agree.
• 1:51:57
  SPEAKER_07: I refuse to allow that word to have gone to the enemy's camp.
• 1:52:01
  SPEAKER_07: I am reclaiming magical.
• 1:52:03
  SPEAKER_07: Magical?
• 1:52:04
  SPEAKER_07: I get it.
• 1:52:05
  SPEAKER_07: I get exactly what you're saying.
• 1:52:06
  SPEAKER_07: There are unicorns somewhere.
• 1:52:10
  SPEAKER_07: Do you know that there's actually a reference to unicorns in the Bible?
• 1:52:13
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, but then somebody ruined it for me, and they were like, it's a rhino.
• 1:52:16
  SPEAKER_07: So it's really funny.
• 1:52:17
  SPEAKER_05: It's a freaking stupid lot.
• 1:52:19
  SPEAKER_07: This is really this is really funny.
• 1:52:21
  SPEAKER_07: Um, so Crystal and I were joking about that on one episode, and like, you know, we were talking about unicorns, like like having an episode about unicorns, and we actually joked.
• 1:52:32
  SPEAKER_07: Like, wouldn't it be funny and awesome?
• 1:52:34
  SPEAKER_07: And just like totally god if like Jesus just came back on like a white unicorn.
• 1:52:38
  SPEAKER_07: Why not?
• 1:52:39
  SPEAKER_08: He could, why not?
• 1:52:40
  SPEAKER_08: A white unicorn, why not?
• 1:52:42
  SPEAKER_08: Pegasus.
• 1:52:42
  SPEAKER_08: I mean, it's coming down from the sky, so I don't know.
• 1:52:45
  SPEAKER_07: It's a pretty metal thing to do.
• 1:52:46
  SPEAKER_07: That's the most metal thing ever.
• 1:52:48
  SPEAKER_07: It's just gonna be, it's not trumpets, it's just like blast beats.
• 1:52:54
  SPEAKER_07: Lord of the rings.
• 1:52:56
  SPEAKER_07: Lord of the rings.
• 1:52:57
  SPEAKER_07: Yes, I do.
• 1:52:58
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
• 1:52:59
  SPEAKER_07: Okay, I think um this is a really good note to wrap this up on.
• 1:53:03
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, I'm down like Trevor Brown.
• 1:53:05
  SPEAKER_07: Um, I don't know.
• 1:53:06
  SPEAKER_07: I'm probably gonna lose a whole audience and then gain a new one.
• 1:53:09
  SPEAKER_07: It's just gonna be a big refresh.
• 1:53:11
  SPEAKER_07: I don't you know what that would be.
• 1:53:14
  SPEAKER_07: I love it.
• 1:53:15
  SPEAKER_07: This is so exciting.
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  SPEAKER_08: Bring the right person across it at the right time, more likely.
• 1:53:22
  SPEAKER_08: Whatever the following is, it's irrelevant to me.
• 1:53:25
  SPEAKER_08: If this touches somebody and brings them into a closer relationship with Christ, meh, meh.
• 1:53:34
  SPEAKER_08: That's that's all I care about.
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  SPEAKER_08: I love however whether I could be dead and gone, whatever whatever.
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  SPEAKER_08: God use it for his glory, then it was time well spent.
• 1:53:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:53:48
  SPEAKER_07: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_07: All right, this is great.
• 1:53:50
  SPEAKER_07: This is so much fun.
• 1:53:52
  SPEAKER_01: Anytime you want to hop back on, or if you want to come on and tell your testimony or share, or whatever you want.
• 1:53:58
  SPEAKER_01: Like we're we're open, like we're very chill.
• 1:54:01
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, that's what we want to do.
• 1:54:02
  SPEAKER_08: We want community, we want to um be across with each other as much as possible.
• 1:54:10
  SPEAKER_01: There's I I always mention this that the that Shelly's probably like, yes, everyone knows, but I don't think everyone knows.
• 1:54:18
  SPEAKER_01: We didn't ever start this podcast to have interviews.
• 1:54:21
  SPEAKER_01: We never started this podcast to have interviews.
• 1:54:23
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, no, yeah, we spent a lot of time seriously doing 40 hours of research for a two-hour.
• 1:54:31
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, you guys do a lot of research.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we try to, yeah.
• 1:54:34
  SPEAKER_01: We really do try to.
• 1:54:35
  SPEAKER_01: It's because I just I'm just interested in finding the truth.
• 1:54:39
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not I'm not interested in in having people on.
• 1:54:42
  SPEAKER_01: If people, you know, contribute to that story, awesome, awesome.
• 1:54:46
  SPEAKER_01: I'll more power to it, you know.
• 1:54:48
  SPEAKER_01: But I really just want to know what's true.
• 1:54:52
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's what I'm interested in.
• 1:54:53
  SPEAKER_01: And I think and Shelly and I are in the same boat.
• 1:54:55
  SPEAKER_01: Well, so much so that our our our uh I keep forgetting to say it all the time, but uh our catchphrases um where the weird and the fringe get discussed because the truth's not an option, it's a must.
• 1:55:07
  SPEAKER_07: Oh, I love that.
• 1:55:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, cool.
• 1:55:09
  SPEAKER_07: Well, thanks so much for coming on, guys.
• 1:55:11
  SPEAKER_07: Anytime.
• 1:55:13
  SPEAKER_07: Can you tell you guys yes?
• 1:55:15
  SPEAKER_08: Because I don't want them going to that other website you were telling us about them where to go.
• 1:55:20
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, you can find us at solo.to forward slash the ctw.
• 1:55:32
  SPEAKER_08: So solo dot to forward slash the ctdw.
• 1:55:37
  SPEAKER_08: You can look us up, the Christian theological dark web.
• 1:55:40
  SPEAKER_08: You can go to Spotify, and I think as soon as you get the Christian put in, usually we wear a hit right there.
• 1:55:49
  SPEAKER_08: But um, the easiest way is to go to solo.to forward slash the ct.com.
• 1:55:54
  SPEAKER_01: It's our landing page, it's got all our stuff, it's got all our social media, any place you guys want to hear and listen to us.
• 1:55:59
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, if you guys want to buy any merch, we have a little bit.
• 1:56:02
  SPEAKER_01: Um, like I said, we have a nuke the Nephilim uh shirt, which is to remind to remind everyone why God flooded the earth was it so he could nuke the Nephilim.
• 1:56:11
  SPEAKER_01: So I love it.
• 1:56:12
  SPEAKER_08: We're working on a new one right now that it just says whosoever.
• 1:56:17
  SPEAKER_08: Oh nice.
• 1:56:18
  SPEAKER_08: That's awesome.
• 1:56:19
  SPEAKER_08: That's the most inclusive word there ever has been.
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  SPEAKER_08: Whosoever.
• 1:56:24
  SPEAKER_07: Nice.
• 1:56:25
  SPEAKER_07: Well, thank you so much, guys.
• 1:56:26
  SPEAKER_07: Um, and thank you guys for listening.
• 1:56:29
  SPEAKER_07: And remember, until next time, the truth is out there, God is with you, and everyone ends up in the kitchen.
• 1:56:35
  SPEAKER_08: Amen.