Latest / The Uncensored Catholic / Show 199: How to Become a Saint - The Way of Christian Perfection, part 1
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- 0:41Speaker 1: The all, Welcome to this week's show. We will begin
- 1:02a new section in the exhaustive Catechism of the Catholic Church.
- 1:06We're going to talk about the very interesting and well
- 1:10fart far less often spoken of than it should be,
- 1:15topic of Christian perfection. Christian perfection is a very well
- 1:22it's an ancient Catholic teaching. The saints and doctors of
- 1:24the Church have written on it quite a bit. There
- 1:27are Protestant denominations that also speak of Christian perfection in
- 1:33a way that is not at all in keeping with
- 1:37Catholic dogma, and that's where we're a really good place
- 1:42to start. We'll start with the question of Catholic doga.
- 1:44We'll turn to radio Replies, the great old book by
- 1:49fathers Rumbo and Cartney written in the early part of
- 1:52the last century, where callers and letter writers would get
- 1:56in touch with them on their radio show and these
- 1:58were usually very anti Catholic people and whether they were
- 2:03Protestants or atheist or communists, and the priests would defend
- 2:07the Catholic faith. These arguments are still used today by
- 2:11communists and atheists and Protestants and you name it. Okay,
- 2:14so really very relevant and this is a great place
- 2:18to start. So the questioner asks for the priests or states, actually,
- 2:25dogma will not save a single soul, and they answer alone,
- 2:30it will not. But since the Catholic Church is the
- 2:32true Church which Christ commands us to hear, the conscious
- 2:37and deliberate rejection of her dogma can forfeit salvation. Person continues,
- 2:43a man could be orthodox on every question and yet
- 2:46be lost, And they say that is true. For Saint
- 2:47James tells us clearly that faith without works is dead,
- 2:51but that does not give any man permission to be unorthodox.
- 2:56He says, people will never know the dogma of the
- 2:59Church to be t true unless she changes them again.
- 3:02Today they want the Catholic Church to change the doctrines
- 3:06and dogmas against things like divorce and homosexuality and abortion
- 3:11and all that stuff. And the presnswer if the people
- 3:15do not know the dogmas of the Church to be true,
- 3:17it is not because of any fault of the dogmas,
- 3:19but because of the fault in themselves. They are either
- 3:23inadequately informed or wrongly informed. Certainly, they would never know
- 3:27the dogmas of the Church to be true if she
- 3:29did alter them. Any alteration of them would be at
- 3:32the expense of truth. There is some hope for people
- 3:35so long as the church keeps her dogmas intact, as
- 3:38she will do. Of course, the person continues. Your unchanging
- 3:42dogmas are an insult to a man's evolving intelligence. Very
- 3:47progressivest charge that you will hear nearly every college professor
- 3:53in any secular institution say, and unfortunately far too many
- 3:58in Catholic universities from what I found out. Amazingly, they answer, Rather,
- 4:05do you insult reason when you suggest that the truth
- 4:08must change before intelligent men can accept them. If what
- 4:13was true in religion two thousand years ago is not
- 4:16true today, it was never true. If I can disbelieve
- 4:20it now it should have been disbelieved. Then Christ taught
- 4:24absolute truth, and his doctrine will remain itself for all eternity.
- 4:29If the dogmas of Christianity change, every intelligent man should
- 4:32abandon Christianity. Intelligent men are rapidly abandoning Protestantism with its
- 4:37constantly shifting positions, and we've talked about that quite a bit.
- 4:41I mean the well, the Anglican Episcopal Church is down
- 4:45well over seventy five percent of its membership since say
- 4:48it admitted a female vicars. I guess they call him
- 4:53and normalize gay marriage and gay vicars. People were just
- 4:59leaving it. They know it to be untrue. I think
- 5:02if you saw that spectacle of the Episcopal bishop lecturing
- 5:07President Trump the other day, you could see, Yeah, that's
- 5:11someone not holding close and true and fast to the truth.
- 5:18The Catholic Church refuses to change her dogmatic teaching, and
- 5:22she is daily receiving intelligent men into her fold. And
- 5:25that's also true. The Catholic Church is basically the only
- 5:30mainline denomination growing worldwide. The rest are losing numbers. The
- 5:35Protestantism is dying out. Now. You may say, well, the
- 5:37Pentecostals are getting a lot of numbers. Yeah, they are
- 5:41in mostly places where people are very uneducated and often illiterate. Yeah,
- 5:49they can convince people to fall for just about anything.
- 5:51That's how Pentecostalism is always spread. Its started in the
- 5:55poorous communities, mostly in the American South, where charismatic preacher
- 6:02would be a good example, a Jim Baker type he
- 6:05was Pentecostal, could come in and shout and you know,
- 6:10pound on the Bible and pound on the table and
- 6:12get people all worked up into a frenzy, and that's
- 6:15you know, yeah, sorry, that's what it is. Now, that's
- 6:18not true of all. Pentecostals said many times, there's some
- 6:22really good religious people in every Christian denomened nation and
- 6:27delby judged by what they know of the truth. By
- 6:32what process of reasoning do you hope to win men
- 6:35of clean lives and unshackled intelligence to your dogma? And
- 6:39they answer, the process is this Catholic dogmas being the
- 6:42truth set the minds of men free from human errors
- 6:45on the subject of religion. And I argue that most
- 6:48normally intelligent men wish to be free from error. Again,
- 6:51I reason that men of clean lives are well fitted
- 6:54to the application of lofty moral standards of Catholicism. The
- 6:57only type of which I despairseed the man of whose
- 7:00intelligence is the man whose intelligence is shackled by prejudice
- 7:05or by inability to rise us above crude notions usually
- 7:08taught in the name of so called rationalism. First, and continues,
- 7:12we'll get maybe two or three more short questions and
- 7:14answers here, do you think your old fashioned dogma has
- 7:17any appeal? And I say, the dogmas of the Catholic
- 7:20Church clearly express the exact teachings of Jesus Christ, the
- 7:23Son of God. If they seem old fashioned to some men,
- 7:26these men have simply outgrown the truth to their own detriment.
- 7:31Cannot men persuade themselves to accept any so called truth
- 7:35in matters of religion? And they answer, they can, and
- 7:38they do. This accounts for the rationalistic position, whether it's
- 7:41refusal to believe in any save irreligious notions. But Catholics
- 7:46do not persuade themselves to think their own religious doctrines.
- 7:49They accept them from the Church established and guaranteed by
- 7:53Christ as a matter of hard historical fact. And finally,
- 7:57he asks or states are a crime of hostility to
- 8:02freedom of thought and expression? And they answered, simply, hostility
- 8:06towards freedom to do wrong or express false blasphemies and
- 8:10irreligious doctrine is not a crime. It would be a
- 8:13crime to be indifferent to these things. True religion gives
- 8:16freedom from error and freedom to love and serve God.
- 8:22And we'll talk a little bit more next week. This
- 8:25guy goes on for quite a bit, and like I said,
- 8:28you sit in any college classroom, you're going to hear
- 8:30these same arguments today. Probably in a high school classroom
- 8:34these days, I know, I got a ton of But
- 8:35it went to a very liberal hippie high school, probably
- 8:40not surprisingly to anybody that knows we're boon, North Carolina is.
- 8:44And yeah, there were some good Christian folks there, but
- 8:47a lot of the teachers were leftover hippies from the
- 8:50sixties and seventies that were as communist as communists could be,
- 8:54and they took it as their duty to try to
- 8:58turn their students to towards their ideology, especially politically, but
- 9:03also in terms of religion. And look at the books
- 9:08that the left is pushing, all the books on you know,
- 9:11gay stuff and trans stuff and all that. In elementary schools,
- 9:15they are still very much trying to undermine the faith
- 9:20of children before they ever get to a point of reason. Really,
- 9:24all right, now we talk about Christian perfection, and father
- 9:27Sparrago begins with the topic the aspiration after Christian perfection.
- 9:32No builder leaves an edifice half finished, and edifice is
- 9:35a building. In case you didn't know that, if he
- 9:38has begun to construct a house, he does not rest
- 9:40until is completed. An artist is not handing the portrait
- 9:45he is painted until every feature is faithfully delineated. Well,
- 9:49remember Father Sparago was right of this in the eighteen nineties,
- 9:52and of course that was before some of the more
- 9:53modernist paintings. So but still, you know, any artist worth
- 9:57his assault takes care in his work. Christians do likewise. Whinin.
- 10:03Once he has undertaken the work of his own sanctification
- 10:06and is in a state of grace, let him strive
- 10:09to bring the edifice of virtue to completion and form
- 10:13himself to a true image of God. Our aim should
- 10:16be to make progress every day. God requires of all
- 10:19the just that they should aspire to Christian perfection. God
- 10:23desires the sinner to be converted, the just to strive
- 10:25after perfection. The duty of aspiring after perfection is included
- 10:30in the precept of charity, for it requires us to
- 10:33love God with all of our strength. And what else
- 10:35does that mean but continual advancement in the path of virtue.
- 10:38He that has just, let him be justified still, and
- 10:41he that has holy, let him be sanctified still. That's
- 10:44from Apocalypse or Revelations twenty two to eleven. Our Lord
- 10:48lays this injunction upon us. Be you therefore perfect as
- 10:51your heavenly Father also is perfect Matthew five point forty eight.
- 10:55The will of God is that none other is none
- 10:58other than our sactfy ocasion. He who does not aim
- 11:01at the attainment of Christian perfection is in danger of
- 11:04losing his soul. The vessel that does not stem the
- 11:08stream will drift downwards. Where there is no progression, there
- 11:12is retrogression. No man can stand still on the path
- 11:15of virtue as soon, says Saint Augustine, as thou art
- 11:19content with thyself and thinkest thou hast done enough, thou
- 11:24art lost. We should aim at the highest degree of sanctity,
- 11:28imitating the trader who is wont to ask the highest
- 11:31price possible for his wares. The most sublime example Christian
- 11:36perfection is found in our Lord. After him, the Saints
- 11:38are also patterns of perfection. Christ says, I Am the Way,
- 11:42the Truth, and the Life John fourteen six. When the
- 11:46rich youth ask Our Lord what was he to do
- 11:49in order to be perfect? The answers given him follow me.
- 11:52Matthew nineteen nineteen. Was at first twenty one. I guess
- 11:57Saint Paul bids us put ye on the Lord, Lord
- 12:00Jesus Christ Romans thirteen fourteen. As an apprentice watches his
- 12:05master at work, that he may learn to work like Kim,
- 12:07so we ought to keep our eyes fixed on the
- 12:10Master of Christ. The Saints meditate unceasingly on the life
- 12:13and passion of our Lord. He is the Christian's pattern.
- 12:17The Saints are also examples of perfection, for they imitate Christ.
- 12:20Their life is a copy of his life. Saint Paul
- 12:23exhorts the Corinthians be he followers of Me one Corinthians
- 12:26four to ten, and he enjoins on the Hebrews the
- 12:29necessity of imitating the Saints Hebrews six twelve. The Church
- 12:34commemorates one or more of the Saints on each day
- 12:37of the ecclesiastical year, in order to incite us to
- 12:40their imitation. The Saints stand in the same relation to
- 12:42Christ as the stars. Due to the Sun, He surpasses
- 12:46them all in perfection. Thus it is easier for us
- 12:49to imitate the Saints. We know that it is impossible
- 12:51for us ever to attain the perfection of which Christ
- 12:54sets us an example. But the sanctity of the Saints
- 12:57is within our reach. And here it must be remarked
- 12:59that on almost every saint excelled in the practice of
- 13:02one particular virtue. Also that the actions of each were
- 13:05suited to and in conformity with their circumstances, the environment
- 13:09in which they are placed e. G. They're calling their means,
- 13:11their bodily strength, and natural temperament. Everyone ought to choose
- 13:15for his own model a saint whose position and calling
- 13:18were similar to his own the perfection of Christian. The
- 13:22perfection of the Christian consists in charity towards God and neighbor,
- 13:26and an attachment of heart from the things of this world.
- 13:29Love is fulfilling the law Romans thirteen ten. Charity is
- 13:33the bond perfection Colossians three fourteen. Saint Augustine, when asked
- 13:38how sanctity of life was to be attained, answered, love
- 13:42God and do as thou wilt, meaning that he who
- 13:44truly loves God will do nothing that displeases him. Saint
- 13:47Francis Dessalle says that the only true perfection is to
- 13:51love God with our whole heart and our neighbor as
- 13:53ourselves all other perfections spurious. Saint Thomas Aquinas define sanctity
- 13:59as the firm surrender of one's self to God. Sanctuary
- 14:02does not consist in the outward observance of religion, in
- 14:06long prayers and fasting, in almsgiving. But these are means
- 14:09to attainment. By the way, I think today's Saint Thomas
- 14:11Quinas is the day of his memorial, and it was
- 14:15Saint Francis de Sala two three days ago, and I
- 14:17think Saint Augustine's coming up. So these these are good
- 14:19to listen to you right now. The saincts need does
- 14:23not consist in the outward observances of religion. We'll see
- 14:26where we got that. Nor does sanctity consist in complete
- 14:31freedom from sin. It is events rather by constant and
- 14:34energetic resistance to sin, for God frequently permits even saints
- 14:38to fall into sin to keep them humble. Least of
- 14:41all does sanctity consist in extraordinary works, which the world
- 14:45regards with astonishment and admiration. We do not read of
- 14:48the Mother of God ever having performed extraordinary works, or
- 14:51Saint Joseph, the foster Father of Christ. In the ranks
- 14:55of the saints, a great number will be found who
- 14:57never shown in the sight of the world, their life
- 14:59was hid with Christ in God. Colossians three three. The
- 15:03love of God is always accompanied by hatred of the
- 15:06world and abhorrence of its sinful and sensual delights. If
- 15:09any man loved the world, the charity of the Father
- 15:11is not in him one John two point fifteen. The
- 15:15love of God and the love of the world are
- 15:17like the scales of a balance. As one rises, the
- 15:19other falls. As charity increases in the heart, sinful affections
- 15:23die out. As one who had climbed to the top
- 15:26of a tower must have send the steps to lead
- 15:28to it. So if we would reach the summon perfection,
- 15:30we must attach our hearts as completely as possible from
- 15:34earthly things. The greater our hatred of the world and
- 15:37our proportionate charity towards God and our neighbor, the greater
- 15:41the degree of perfection we have attained. And of course,
- 15:45when he says hatred of the world, he doesn't mean
- 15:47to hate the world and the people and trees and
- 15:50birds and stuff in it. He means to prefer the
- 15:55things of the spirit than the things of the physical.
- 15:58He who makes Christian profect his aim will attain it surely,
- 16:01but slowly, our Lord says, Blessed are they that hunger
- 16:04and thirst after justice, For they shall have their feel
- 16:07Matthew five six. A sincere desire for perfection and an
- 16:11untiring effort to attain it will not be unsuccessful. The
- 16:14desire for it is already half the battle. For an
- 16:17energetic desire gives force and courage, makes labor light daunts
- 16:21the enemy, makes man pleasing to God, and attains grace
- 16:24on Saint Thomas Aquinas, being asked how one can make
- 16:27sure of attaining sanctity, replied by a resolute will. No
- 16:32one has ever attained sanctity without fervently desiring it, any
- 16:35more than proficiency in art or science has been acquired
- 16:38by one whose wishes were not equally set upon it.
- 16:42But progress towards Christian perfections is very slow. Our sanctification
- 16:47is not the work of a single day. No one,
- 16:49unless he be particularly privileged by God, can reap perfection
- 16:52in a short time. It is the same in the
- 16:55spiritual as it is in the natural order. A plant
- 16:57does not spring up and blossom in a night. The
- 17:00infant does not grow to man's estate in a single day.
- 17:03The progress the process of healing is a slow one. Indeed,
- 17:08the slower the sure So it is with our sanctification
- 17:12there are three degrees in the way of perfection. That
- 17:15of beginners who still retain a strong affection for mortal sin,
- 17:19that of advanced, who cannot abstain from venial sin, and who,
- 17:23because of attachment to earthly things, are still in a
- 17:25state of warfare. And the perfect whose heart is completely
- 17:29detached from earth and given to God, and who consequently
- 17:33are entirely at peace within themselves. And I will certainly
- 17:37state that I am certainly a beginner in disregard, and
- 17:40it is a constant and very hard struggle. These three
- 17:44degrees are also known as the purgative, the illuminative, and
- 17:49the unitive way. They correspond to the supernatural life of
- 17:53three stages of man's natural life childhood, the period of
- 17:57mental and physical weakness, adolescence, the period of deay, development
- 18:00and manhood and spiritual maturity, Saint ignacious and joydance. Upon
- 18:05beginners meditate on the last four things. The four last
- 18:08things he actually said, on the advance consideration of the
- 18:12passion of our Lord, on the perfect contemplation of divine
- 18:15goodness and celestial joys. There is no end to the
- 18:18way of Perfection, for the love of God is without limit.
- 18:22He who is just, letting be justified still, and he
- 18:25knows holy, letting be sanctified still. It is, however, within
- 18:28the power of man to approach very near, while still
- 18:32on earth, to the state of the blessed in heaven.
- 18:35There is no state or calling in life in which
- 18:37Christian perfection is not possible. Saints are formed in every class,
- 18:41from the highest to the lowest to the love of God,
- 18:44and one's neighbor is the luton. To love God in
- 18:48one's neighbor is within everyone's power. How easy a thing
- 18:52it is, says Saint Bonaventure, to love God. There is
- 18:55nothing laborious, nothing disagreeable involved in it. In fact, nothing
- 18:59is more delight to the heart than to love God.
- 19:01From other good works. A man may excuse himself saying
- 19:04I cannot fast, or I have not means to give alms,
- 19:07But no one can say I cannot love. Pious practice
- 19:10must be proportionate to the powers and adapted to occupations
- 19:15and duties of the individual. Saint Francis Desau compared piety
- 19:20to a fluid which takes the shape of the vessel
- 19:23in which is contained, So as you can see, Christian
- 19:29perfection is actually the means to sainthood. And the reason
- 19:33we have so many disagreements with other you know, with
- 19:37Protestant denominations and with certain political groups that profess their
- 19:41own means of Christian perfection, their own methods, so to speak.
- 19:46To reference one of them, is that so much of
- 19:50what they deny to be sinful is really truly sinful
- 19:54and puts a barrier between the persons saying to it.
- 19:57First of all, many Protestants to deny that there are
- 20:00or any saints whatsoever. I mean, I know they certainly do.
- 20:02At a certain Southern unis to Southern Baptist University I
- 20:06went to, they didn't want to hear any mention of saints.
- 20:09And even when you said, wait a minute, mentioned saints
- 20:11several times of the Bible, when you read the passage,
- 20:14they say, we don't believe in saints. Everybody is a
- 20:15Christians a saint. Okay, not true. So, first of all,
- 20:19there's a big problem those that deny there's anything wrong
- 20:23with divorce, you know, choosing to disregard Jesus's words in
- 20:28all four Gospels. I don't see how they can attain sainthood,
- 20:33because even if they are, you know, never marry or
- 20:37marry and stay married for life. They say they know
- 20:40better than God, and that is a sin against the
- 20:42Holy Spirit. That is making an idol of yourself. That
- 20:46is one of the most grave sins you can do.
- 20:50Any denomination that says it's okay to be practice homosexual sex,
- 20:55it's not matter of saying someone may be born with
- 20:57certain tendencies. That's different. Those that approve of homosexual relations, Nope, sorry,
- 21:04it's going to be impossible for them to become saints.
- 21:07And those who engage in adultery, divorced homosexual relations, how
- 21:12are they going to get there? Okay, now we all
- 21:16sin and we all fail, right, but we have to
- 21:20acknowledge it's a sin and a failure in order to
- 21:22go to confession and be forgiven or be absolutely truly
- 21:27contrite and pray to God for forgiveness. That's the whole
- 21:30part of the methods. So to call for Christian perfection.
- 21:37Those who deny the authority of the Pope, those that
- 21:41deny the authority of the Catholic Church, those that deny
- 21:44the sacraments. The most efficacious means to obtain Christian perfection,
- 21:51the fastest, the one that's going to get you there
- 21:53fastest are the sacraments. When you are baptized, you are
- 21:56cleansed of all original and actual. If you died the
- 22:01very moment after your baptism, you go straight to heaven.
- 22:05Those who deny baptisms such as well, the Baptists for one, now,
- 22:10probably not all of them, but again, the Southern Baptist
- 22:12University I went to, and the Presbyterian College that I
- 22:15went to for a couple of semesters, all said it
- 22:17was just symbolic and unnecessary. Now, I mean, and they
- 22:21are considered mainline. They're considered mainstream. Those who deny the Eucharist.
- 22:25Jesus said, if you're saved by water in the blood,
- 22:28the blood is the blood that we receive in the
- 22:29eucharust he said, you must be born again through that,
- 22:32he said, And the water, of course, is baptism. He said.
- 22:35Unless you eat of my body and drink of my blood,
- 22:37you have no life in you. I mean, those who again,
- 22:43the next quickest means to Christian perfection is regular reception
- 22:48of the Eucharist. Those who are in a state of
- 22:52sin can quickly be freed from that by going and
- 22:55giving their confession to a priest. Those who are confirmed
- 22:59to the Catholic Church, receive the fullness of the Holy Spirit.
- 23:04It's really, really, really hard to look at any and
- 23:09I mean, shoot, what would you just say? Another? One
- 23:12of the main ways you get through is through the
- 23:14works of charity. And Martin Luther changed the very words
- 23:18of Jesus to say by faith alone and said that
- 23:21all works were evil and charity was not even be done.
- 23:24He encouraged people commit adultery and murder. And I'm serious,
- 23:27I've done whole shows on that. His actual writings, he
- 23:31encouraged murder and adultery, even accused Jesus of adultery. I mean,
- 23:37really bad, dude. So I mean, how does a Lutheran
- 23:40have this this easy guide to saint to it. I'm
- 23:45not saying they can't get there. I'm not judging their hearts.
- 23:48But starting with Lutheranism, then going to the Anglican I
- 23:52mean a church built founded to supplant the role of
- 23:57the pope with that of the king and to legalized divorce.
- 24:02And then we get into the Presbyterians and the Methodists
- 24:05and the Baptist and down to you know, your non denominations,
- 24:08your Church of God, your Pentecostals, I'm not saying they
- 24:14can't get there. I know at least one Pentecostal who
- 24:18I believe fully got there, and that was my great grandfather.
- 24:20My great grandfather's mother founded a Pentecostal church. And he
- 24:25was devout, and he was saintly, and he was holy.
- 24:27And when he died, I saw three doves raised from
- 24:30his grave. He was not you know when he's speaking
- 24:33in tongues, rolling around on the floor type. He had
- 24:37a limited knowledge of religion, and he read his Bible
- 24:40and he prayed constantly, and he was a very very
- 24:43very very good man. And I'm sure God judged his heart.
- 24:47How much easier would it have been for him to
- 24:50have the access to the sacraments. I mean, he had
- 24:54a ninety four i think year old long life of
- 24:57constant sacrifice and struggle, and I think God rewarded him
- 25:02for it. So it's not exclusive. I mean, well, when
- 25:05we get to heaven and we meet the saints, we're
- 25:07going to meet people of the Catechism even says people
- 25:10of different religions who never were informed of Christianity but lived,
- 25:14you know, loving God with other heart and loving their
- 25:17neighbors themselves. I know there's some matter of controversy. That's
- 25:20a Vatican two catechism. A lot of more traditional Catholics
- 25:23deny that completely. But God made each person in his
- 25:27own image and loves each person and will draw them
- 25:30to Him as best they are able to respond. That's
- 25:34the best way to put it. So we're really looking
- 25:37here in the topic of Christian perfection on how to
- 25:40become a saint. And this is really important. So you're
- 25:43going to want to stay keep up with this series,
- 25:46share it with friends and family. It's really super important.
- 25:52And this is one from you know, Father Spraguer's exhaustive
- 25:58explanation of the Catechism. This is old, old cancut cases
- 26:01before a lot of the new changes and ideas came in.
- 26:05And it's very simple and straightforward and blunt and can
- 26:10be hard to read in places. You know, it can
- 26:12be hard when you realize you're not living up to
- 26:14what is demanded of you. You know, Jesus says, if
- 26:17you love me, you will follow my commandments. So to
- 26:21love God with our heart actually means to follow the
- 26:23commandments of Jesus. That's really difficult. And when one of
- 26:28his main commandments is, you know, to listen to those
- 26:31he put in positions of authority, the apostles, and the
- 26:34church that he founded. We got a whole lot easier
- 26:38shot of it than those outside of the church. But
- 26:40it's still going to take our entire lifetimes of struggle.
- 26:45I've been recently reading from Saint Francis Tosau and St Francis,
- 26:49I mean and say Teresa Avilla, and they struggled mightily
- 26:53throughout their lives and attain great, you know, levels of holiness.
- 26:58But we're still struggling to to the very end. So
- 27:03you know, these are the guideposts that we need to follow.
- 27:06And our next topic for the next show is the
- 27:08general means for the attainment of perfection. That's kind of important. So,
- 27:14like I said, share this one friend, family, loved ones,
- 27:16Let's get everybody on the same page here, and you know,
- 27:20let's let's work together and do the best we can
- 27:23because we are given a gift that really well, it
- 27:28was given to all Christians, but a lot of them
- 27:30have denied it, a lot of them have refused it.
- 27:33And you know, this is a grace freely given by God,
- 27:37and you can refuse that gift. You can refuse that grace,
- 27:42and that's a shame, but a whole lot do a
- 27:45whole lot do. Saint Padre Pia was very adamant on
- 27:50that point in his visions, and Father Groceel who used
- 27:54to be on AWTN, who had so many visions of
- 27:57hell and such. Yeah, if you ever get a chance
- 28:01to go back and listen to see some of his
- 28:03old episodes on EWTN from I don't know, ten fifteen
- 28:06years ago before he passed away, Venerable Fulton sheen very
- 28:11adamant on this point. Yeah. Anyway, remember it's never enough
- 28:16just as to be a member of the Catholic Church.
- 28:19It's not like I mean to the descendants of Abraham.
- 28:23You know, they were born Jewish. Right, you can be
- 28:26born into a Catholic family, but you're only a Catholic
- 28:28if you're practicing Catholic. And we're only going to get
- 28:32there if we're struggling and vehement, because Jesus said that
- 28:37the lukewarm, he would spit out of his mouth. So anyway, y'all,
- 28:41in the words of Saint Padre Pio, pray, hope and
- 28:44don't worry, and I will talk to you next time.