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#746 Is ChatGPT the Future of Education? · Dr Justin Coulson's Happy Families

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  Speaker 1: It's the Happy Families podcast. It's the podcast for the
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  Speaker 1: time poor parent who just wants answers.
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  Speaker 2: Now, the content that chat GPT spits out is only
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  Speaker 2: as good as the information that it has access to,
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  Speaker 2: and therefore it means that education really has to come
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  Speaker 2: back to absolute fundamentals, but helping them to understand how
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  Speaker 2: to think critically.
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  Speaker 1: And now here's the stars of our show, My mum
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  Speaker 1: and dad.
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  Speaker 2: Hello. This is doctor Justin Coulson, the founder of happy
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  Speaker 2: Families dot com. Do you and the author of a
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  Speaker 2: whole bunch of books about making your family happier? Oh,
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  Speaker 2: and the host's a co host and parenting expert on
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  Speaker 2: Channel nine's Parental Guidance. I'm here with Kylie, Hi, Kylie,
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  Speaker 2: and you're not going to say hello to me. I'm
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  Speaker 2: here with Kylie. Hi, Kylie.
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  Speaker 3: You don't want to say hello to me?
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  Speaker 2: I wait, don't want to say because we've already said
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  Speaker 2: hello to each other today? Is that the issue? You
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  Speaker 2: don't want to perform the hello?
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  Speaker 3: Hello?
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  Speaker 2: Love it? That's so great. We are the parents have
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  Speaker 2: six children who will roll their eyes when they listen
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  Speaker 2: to this. We're going to talk today about chat GPT.
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  Speaker 3: Like general practitioner.
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  Speaker 2: No no, no, no, I love you said that chat GPT
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  Speaker 2: is an AI computer program.
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  Speaker 3: Now, well, I'm interested to know what this chat GPT is.
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  Speaker 3: If it's not a general practitioner, you get to chat
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  Speaker 3: to him on technology.
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  Speaker 2: So chat GPT is basically an AI it's an AI program,
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  Speaker 2: artificial intelligence program where you can jump on to the
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  Speaker 2: program itself chat GPT, and you literally just type in
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  Speaker 2: a question and it answers the question for you. So
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  Speaker 2: you can tell it's to give you a toothat life.
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  Speaker 2: So it's going to just like this is the ultimate cheat.
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  Speaker 2: It's the ultimately it feels.
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  Speaker 3: Like the Jensen's like we're living in the future.
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  Speaker 2: The Jensens, you said, the Jensens. I'm sure the Gensens
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  Speaker 2: appreciate feeling futuristic, but it was the Jetsons, me Jennison.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So you literally, let's say that your English teacher or
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  Speaker 2: your health teacher gives you an assignment that says two
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  Speaker 2: thousand words on such and such a topic. You type
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  Speaker 2: into chat GPT and it provides you with a two
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  Speaker 2: thousand word essay, formatted appropriately, referenced appropriately. It's all there.
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  Speaker 2: You literally don't have to do the work. Just type
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  Speaker 2: into chat GPT anyway it goes.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, you're saying that this is the best thing
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  Speaker 3: since sliced bread.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't say it's the best thing since sliced bread.
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  Speaker 2: But it's phenomenal. I think it's it's extraordinary.
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  Speaker 3: Well, if our kids are using this to do their
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  Speaker 3: assessment work, then what are they learning.
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  Speaker 2: Well, this is where it gets really important. So there's
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  Speaker 2: a whole lot of risks associated with chat GPT, but
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  Speaker 2: there's also a whole lot of benefits. So just before
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  Speaker 2: I answer that question, I jumped into chat GPT right
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  Speaker 2: before you sat down, and I decided that I was
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  Speaker 2: going to ask it to We're always hearing about school refusal.
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  Speaker 2: School refusal is a really big deal. So I just
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  Speaker 2: typed into chat gpt, what are the three best recommendations
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  Speaker 2: for dealing with a child who refuses to attend school
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  Speaker 2: due to anxiety and a troubled home life? And then
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  Speaker 2: I thought I would make it a bit trickier for
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  Speaker 2: chat GPT, so I said, provide the answer in three
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  Speaker 2: hundred words. And then I thought I would add one
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  Speaker 2: more element using poetry, So I asked it to write
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  Speaker 2: me a poem about school refusal, and three recommendations for
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  Speaker 2: making it better.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm just letting you know that with this new knowledge,
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  Speaker 3: I expect a poem right you want Chatch three Valentine's Stay.
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  Speaker 2: Let me read to you what it said now. It
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  Speaker 2: literally spat this out within about fifteen seconds of me
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  Speaker 2: pressing go. It literally just line by line a typed
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  Speaker 2: that it provided the content for me that fast. It
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  Speaker 2: says this in times of trouble, when things seem bleak
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  Speaker 2: and child's anxiety makes them afraid to st when school
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  Speaker 2: becomes a place they can't better go, and the troubles
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  Speaker 2: at home start to overflow, it's important to take a
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  Speaker 2: step back and breathe and focus on the child's needs,
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  Speaker 2: not just what they need to achieve. Here are three
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  Speaker 2: recommendations to help them through and hopefully to a brighter future.
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  Speaker 2: Guide them to. Firstly, make sure to listen and show
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  Speaker 2: that you care. Let the child know that their feelings
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  Speaker 2: are valid and you'll always be there. Create a safe
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  Speaker 2: space where they can express what's on their mind, and
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  Speaker 2: don't be afraid to ask for help if solutions you
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  Speaker 2: cannot find. Secondly, seek our professional support and guidance, whether
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  Speaker 2: that be therapy or counseling. They can provide much needed guidance.
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  Speaker 2: That's a really bad part of the poem right there.
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  Speaker 2: There are many resources available, so don't hesitate to ask,
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  Speaker 2: and remember there's no shame in admitting you need to
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  Speaker 2: take that task. Thirdly, work with the school to create
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  Speaker 2: a supportive environment, one where the child feels safe and
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  Speaker 2: free from judgment and harassment, a place where they can
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  Speaker 2: learn and grow at their own pace, and where the
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  Speaker 2: teachers work together to help the child find their place.
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  Speaker 2: In conclusion, when a child's anxiety and troubled home life
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  Speaker 2: take hold, it's important to remember that there are ways
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  Speaker 2: to break the mold. Listen to the child, seek professional support,
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  Speaker 2: and work with the school, and with these recommendations, hopefully
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  Speaker 2: they can once again find their cool. What's your response
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  Speaker 2: to that?
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  Speaker 3: Absolute cheating?
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  Speaker 2: Is your mind blown? Though?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, my mind is blowing mine, But this is my point?
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  Speaker 2: What is your point?
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  Speaker 3: If kids have got access to this, then what are
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  Speaker 3: they learning? They're literally going to put in the question
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  Speaker 3: for their thesis. They would cond find your thesis.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, isn't it fascinating what happens here? So this is
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  Speaker 2: why I don't think we need to be afraid. There's
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  Speaker 2: a handful of things in there that clearly do not
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  Speaker 2: make it an A plus. Some of the poetry is
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  Speaker 2: not quite right, and even the advice is given, it's
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  Speaker 2: actually pretty good advice, but there are ways that we
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  Speaker 2: could tweak that and make it far more.
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  Speaker 3: Nuancedres But plenty of people won't bother and nor.
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  Speaker 2: Will they write a poem to get the message across.
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  Speaker 2: But more than that, the content that chat GPT spits
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  Speaker 2: out it's only as good as the information that it
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  Speaker 2: has access to. The bigger the database, and the better
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  Speaker 2: the quality of information, the better what chat GPT will
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  Speaker 2: give you. And therefore it means that education really has
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  Speaker 2: to come back to absolute fundamentals. Make sure that kids
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  Speaker 2: can obviously read and write, but helping them to understand
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  Speaker 2: how to think critically, how to evaluate information, how to
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  Speaker 2: be creative, and how to synthesize and bring together disparate
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  Speaker 2: bits of information and say, well, how does this work
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  Speaker 2: with that? Okay, chat GPT has given me X, Y
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  Speaker 2: and Z, but I've still got LMNO, and P that
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  Speaker 2: don't fit there. How do we bring this together? What
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  Speaker 2: I actually think that chat GPT does is it gives
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  Speaker 2: us access to good information, and then we get to
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  Speaker 2: develop our thinking, our critical skills around that to do
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  Speaker 2: the things that only humans can really do.
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  Speaker 3: See you suggestion, Seeing that it kind of just gives
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  Speaker 3: you a step up. It starts the process for you. You
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  Speaker 3: know how when you were in high school and you
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  Speaker 3: looked at an assignment and you kept putting it off
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  Speaker 3: because you just couldn't take that first step. Are you
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  Speaker 3: saying that that's what this is? I think so.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. But it puts a lot more onto teachers and
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  Speaker 2: students because I think what we're really going to be
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  Speaker 2: facing is a world where we need to know how
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  Speaker 2: to fact check well written arguments. That's going to become
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  Speaker 2: more and more important. So clear communication matters, but critical
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  Speaker 2: thinking the ability to look at something and say, you
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  Speaker 2: know that works, that's really good, except that's not consistent
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  Speaker 2: with this thing over here or that thing over there.
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  Speaker 2: That to me is where the real wow thing is
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  Speaker 2: And that's where the distinctly human element comes in.
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  Speaker 3: In my day with assignments, the big worry was plagiarism. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: if I use chat G.
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  Speaker 2: You can't detect it.
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  Speaker 3: This is blowing my mind.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So it seems to be at this point
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  Speaker 2: impervious to plagiarism. Software like turn it in, which is
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  Speaker 2: what most high schools and certainly universities are using. They
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  Speaker 2: have this software that's called turn it in, and everything
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  Speaker 2: has to go through turn it in so that we
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  Speaker 2: can identify the likelihood that somebody's lifted content from somebody else.
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  Speaker 2: It's really amazing. I think that I'm going to be
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  Speaker 2: using chat GPT a lot, not to write my content,
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  Speaker 2: but to help me to source information. So I might say,
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  Speaker 2: let's say I'm going to do something about helping kids share.
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  Speaker 2: I might type into chat gpt. How old are kids
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  Speaker 2: when they learn to share? I'm doing it literally as
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  Speaker 2: we speak and as I've just pressed enter, And it
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  Speaker 2: says children begin to develop the ability to share and
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  Speaker 2: take terms with others around the age of two to
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  Speaker 2: three years old. However, the concept of sharing can take
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  Speaker 2: some time for young children to fully grasp, and it
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  Speaker 2: may not come natural to all children. It's still typing
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  Speaker 2: while I'm reading. At around two years old, children typically
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  Speaker 2: begin to understand the idea of ownership and become possessive
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  Speaker 2: of their toys and other belongings. By the age of
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  Speaker 2: four or five, most children have a better understanding of
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  Speaker 2: sharing and are more willing to share their things with others.
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  Speaker 2: And that's what it's given me right there now. Because
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  Speaker 2: I've got a PhD in psychology, I happen to know
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  Speaker 2: a whole lot of stuff developmentally around that I can
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  Speaker 2: now start to talk about the way that parents can
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  Speaker 2: help kids learn to share, the idea of what theory
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  Speaker 2: of mind or perspective taking and empathy, what those things
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  Speaker 2: are and how they play into a child's capacity to
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  Speaker 2: share and why that's why it's four or five. In fact,
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  Speaker 2: it's often even six or seven before they really get
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  Speaker 2: a handle on it because they have to develop those capacities.
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  Speaker 2: So chat GPT can provide us with some basic facts,
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  Speaker 2: but it can't flesh it out or the quality of
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  Speaker 2: the question that we ask it is what's necessary to
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  Speaker 2: really flesh it out and turn it into something awesome.
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  Speaker 3: I keep seeing the downside though.
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  Speaker 2: And the downside is learning well learning.
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  Speaker 3: And we all have been witnessed to people who who
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  Speaker 3: profess to be experts in their field and share information
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  Speaker 3: that may or may not be helpful, and without the
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  Speaker 3: expert I people can be fooled by chat GPT's limited
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  Speaker 3: understanding of things. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: This to me, it's a really exciting opportunity. It's an
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  Speaker 2: opportunity for people to develop expertise rather than cheat. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I could get chat GPT to write my next book,
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  Speaker 2: but why would I because quite honestly, I want the learning.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to write my next book.
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  Speaker 3: But you're not like everyone. No, But I think there's
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  Speaker 3: only one just.
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  Speaker 2: In that people are the same.
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  Speaker 3: You're the person who rides up the hill three times
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  Speaker 3: because you like the pain.
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  Speaker 2: But everybody has their thing that they want to master.
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  Speaker 2: Everyone has their thing that they want to learn and
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  Speaker 2: get better at.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, but most unique students don't want to do their assignments.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's more to do with the environment, that's
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  Speaker 2: more to do with the teaching model than it is laziness.
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  Speaker 3: I really believe that.
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  Speaker 2: And here's the thing.
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  Speaker 3: If you don't do the work.
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  Speaker 2: You're going to get found out once you're in the job,
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  Speaker 2: in the hot seat, really really fast. I actually think
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  Speaker 2: what chat GPT has the potential to do is revolutionize education.
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  Speaker 2: I believe that in the next ten years, school classrooms
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  Speaker 2: almost won't exist. School as we've known it for the
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  Speaker 2: last one hundred, one hundred and fifty years is going
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  Speaker 2: to be turned on its head. I think in the
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  Speaker 2: next ten to fifteen years, and the school that our
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  Speaker 2: grandchildren go to will not look a thing like school
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  Speaker 2: as we've always known it.
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  Speaker 3: Well, when I was at school, we used typewriters.
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  Speaker 2: Did you really Yes? That makes us sound so old. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: you're unbelievable.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't go to school with laptops. It wasn't until
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  Speaker 3: my sister, who's three years younger than me, went to
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  Speaker 3: school that she got a laptop. So I still type
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  Speaker 3: with one finger.
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  Speaker 2: So as you're talking about typing with one finger, I've
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  Speaker 2: just typed into chat GPT. One last question to wrap
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  Speaker 2: up our podcast. I asked chat GPT, what are the
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  Speaker 2: pros and cons for typing with one finger though of
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  Speaker 2: chat GPT? So here are the pros. This is what
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  Speaker 2: it's giving me as we speak. It's versatile. It's capable
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  Speaker 2: of handling a wide range of tasks, from answering questions
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  Speaker 2: to generating text in various styles and formats. It's available
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  Speaker 2: twenty four to seven. It's continuously learning because it is
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  Speaker 2: an AI. It's a machine learning algorithm that keeps on
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  Speaker 2: bringing in more and more information. The quality of the information
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  Speaker 2: in impacts the quality of the information.
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  Speaker 3: Out, so unlike Google, which if I was to use
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  Speaker 3: the information that I take off Google would be plagiarism
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  Speaker 3: because it's written information, not just that.
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  Speaker 2: But Google is very much biased. The algorithm itself that
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  Speaker 2: drives Google is biased. It's biased based on where you live,
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  Speaker 2: biased on what you've looked up previously, biased towards I mean,
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  Speaker 2: there's a whole of stuff going on with Twitter right
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  Speaker 2: now in terms of what the previous owners of Twitter.
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  Speaker 2: They used to just ban certain content because it didn't
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  Speaker 2: fit with their political views. Now you may or may
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  Speaker 2: not agree with the political views that were banned or
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  Speaker 2: that were allowed. But it's a really flawed system. Whereas
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  Speaker 2: chat GPT is objective. It's an objective system that provides
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  Speaker 2: unbiased responses without being influenced by emotions or personal beliefs. Now,
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  Speaker 2: the cons chat GPT, by its own admission, because I've
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  Speaker 2: asked for the top pros and cons says limited knowledge.
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  Speaker 2: And this is what we've talked about already. Although chat
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  Speaker 2: GPT can learn and improve over time, it's still limited
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  Speaker 2: by the knowledge that it's been trained on and may
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  Speaker 2: not be able to answer all questions or understand all contexts,
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  Speaker 2: Hence the vital importance of true expertise humans who know
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  Speaker 2: how to synthesize and integrate and critically evaluate knowledge that's
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  Speaker 2: out there. Number two lack of emotional intelligence. Chat GPT
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  Speaker 2: can't comprehend the emotional or social context of a conversation,
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  Speaker 2: which means it may not provide empathetic or new responses
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  Speaker 2: to emotionally charged or complex situations. Number three dependence on
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  Speaker 2: quality of data. We just talked about that a second ago.
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  Speaker 2: Number four inability to reason, and number five limited personalization.
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  Speaker 2: But ultimately, I think that it's going to change everything,
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  Speaker 2: and I think it's going to change things for the better.
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  Speaker 2: I don't see any benefit to being afraid of this thing.
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  Speaker 2: It's here and it's only going to improve, as will
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  Speaker 2: others as they launch, And I think we need to
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  Speaker 2: learn how to harness this to help our kids' minds
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  Speaker 2: to develop, help them to harness the thrill of learning,
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  Speaker 2: and to become competent masters in areas that matter to them.
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  Speaker 2: That to me, is the advantage of chat GPT more
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  Speaker 2: than anything, And chat GPT didn't tell.
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  Speaker 3: Me that, well, you might be able to teach an
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  Speaker 3: not doc trips along with the Jansen's and the Jetzas,
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  Speaker 3: I will be living in the future.
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