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Elon Musk & Donald Trump Full Conversation (Uncensored) · Brett Keane and Eve Show

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  As as this, this massive attack illustrates, there's a lot of
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  opposition to people just hearing what President Trump has
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  to say. And so, but I'm honored to have
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  this conversation. I want to emphasize it's a it's
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  a conversation and it's really intended to just get, get a feel
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  for what Donald Trump is just like in a conversation.
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  So it's hard to catch a vibe about someone if you just don't
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  hear them talk in a normal way. And when you know, when there's
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  when there's an adversarial interview, like no one's
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  themselves in an adversarial interview.
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  So for and this is really aimed at kind of open minded
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  independent voters who they're just trying to make up their
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  mind. And so you can understand like
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  what what is, you know, what is it just like to have a
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  conversation. So honored to Donald.
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  Great, great to to speak. We had a great conversation
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  yesterday. As as you mentioned yesterday,
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  if we could just record that conversation and post it, it
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  would have been excellent. I hope we can have something
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  like that today. Well, I think we will.
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  I'm pretty sure we will. And congratulations because I
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  see you broke every record in the book with so many millions
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  of people, and it's an honor. We view that as an honor.
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  And then you do want silencing of certain voices.
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  Usually those are voices that have something to say that are
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  constructive, oftentimes constructive.
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  And so we have to consider it an honor.
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  But congratulations on breaking every record in the book
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  tonight. That's great.
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  Well, thank you. Well, maybe we can start off
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  with, I mean, the assassination attempt, which was an incredible
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  thing. And I have to say that your
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  actions after that nest, that assassination attempt were
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  inspiring. You know, you instead of shying
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  away from things, instead of ducking down, you were pumping
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  your fist in there and saying fight, fight, fight.
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  And I think that's, I mean, you know, the president of the
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  United States represents America.
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  And I think that is that is America, that is strength under
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  fire. And so that's, you know, a big,
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  you know, part of the reason why I was excited to endorse you as
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  the the the President of the United States for having another
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  term here is that was that was just incredibly inspiring.
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  But but I mean, what was it like for you?
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  Not pleasant. I have to.
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  Be. Honest, I said it was I had.
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  I didn't know I had. I didn't know I had that much
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  blood. The doctors later told me that
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  the ear is a place that is a very bloody place if you're
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  gonna get hit. But in this case, it was
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  probably the best alternative you could even think about
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  because it went at the right angle.
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  And, you know, it was, it was a hard hit.
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  It was very, I guess you would say surreal, but it wasn't
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  surreal. You know, I was telling
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  somebody, you have instances like this or like a lot less
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  than this where you feel it's a surreal situation.
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  And I never felt that way. I do immediately that it was a
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  bullet. I knew immediately that it was
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  at the ear. And because it, you know, it hit
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  very hard, but hit the ear. And I also heard people shout
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  bullets, bullets, you know, get down, get down because I, you
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  know, I moved down pretty nicely pretty quickly and we had
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  bullets flying right over my head after I went down.
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  So I'm glad I went down. The bigger miracle was that I
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  was looking in the exact direction of the shooter.
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  And so it hit it hit me at an angle that was far less
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  destructive than India angle. So that was the miracle that was
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  for those people that don't believe in God.
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  I think we got to all start thinking about that.
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  You have to you know, I'm I'm a believer now.
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  I'm more of a believer, I think. And a lot of people have said
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  that to be a lot of great people have said that to me actually.
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  But it was it was amazing that I happened to be turned just at
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  that perfect angle and all because I put down a chart on
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  immigration that showed that the numbers were so great.
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  I I love that chart, even maybe it's.
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  A sign, maybe that's a sign, you know.
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  It's an immigration sign. You, you highlighted a serious
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  issue. Yeah, at that moment.
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  That's right, the. Bullet Mr. You know your ear
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  but, but, but you know Mr. Mr. Mr. your head, I mean your.
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  Well, the the amazing thing is that the sign I said, bring down
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  that sign on immigration and it was literally about an eighth of
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  a second where it would be good. And and after that it was going
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  to be a disaster no matter which which way you were.
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  But it just had that that perfect angle, which was exactly
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  at this shooter. Very sad situation, such a sad
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  situation. As you know, we lost somebody
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  that was great Cory, who a firefighter, a great gentleman,
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  a great, a great Trumper. He was a just a fantastic family
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  and a fantastic man. And a friend of mine came up
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  Elon and said I'd like to give the family some kind of help.
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  And I said, that's great. He said do you mind?
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  Said I don't mind at all. And he wrote out a check for
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  $1,000,000 gave, gave it to the wife and you know, she said this
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  is really nice, but I'd rather have my husband back, which is a
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  nice thing to somebody to say, to be honest.
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  She's, she's great. The family is great and we
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  raised a lot of money for them and for two other gentlemen were
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  unbelievable people. Also.
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  They were hit really badly. They thought they were not going
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  to make it and they did. The doctors in the Butler area,
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  I tell you, they were incredible.
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  They saved the two and they were really hit tough, both of them
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  equally. And we thought my first question
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  was because I heard bullets flying over me.
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  I said how many people were killed?
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  Because we had a massive crowd there, a tremendous thousands
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  and thousands of people and there was no land.
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  I mean, there was just, it was all people.
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  So I said how many people have been killed because I knew there
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  were other shots being fired. And they said we don't know yet,
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  but some people have been badly hurt and I have to give the
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  Secret Service. Sniper, they call him, or
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  sharpshooter, but sniper, because he didn't know there was
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  a problem. He's been, he's an extraordinary
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  shot, obviously. And he didn't know there was a
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  problem. And he was able to pick-n-pull
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  out within 5 seconds. And he used one bullet from very
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  far away, I guess probably about 400 yards.
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  The shooter was 130, but he was on the, he was on the opposite
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  side of the field and the podium and he saw the, the smoke and
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  the flame from the gun, immediately recognized it and
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  immediately took a shot. And it was one perfect shot from
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  very far away. And if he, if he didn't do that,
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  Elon, he would have, I mean, if he would have a lot of people, a
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  lot more people have been, could have been badly hurt and killed.
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  So I don't have to take my hat off to him because that's also a
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  surreal, you know, you've been with them for 23 years and
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  there's he's never had anything like this.
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  And all of a sudden he has to act.
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  And it's a very tough thing to act and to be shooting somebody.
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  But he saw the, he saw the gun, saw the smoke, saw the flame
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  from the gun very far away. I obviously has very good eyes.
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  He's got very good vision, which I assume you have to have in
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  that particular work. But he, he took aim very quickly
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  and it was, they say it was approximately 5 seconds from
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  long range one bullet. If that didn't happen because
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  the shooter had a lot of bullets, he had a lot of a lot
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  of cartridges are there with him.
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  So what have been great? I mean, I mean that that that's
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  clearly, you know, you know, he was he was very competent in
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  taking that shot to stop the the assassin, the attempted
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  assassination. But but I mean, there does seem
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  to be, I mean, some pretty significant failings elsewhere
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  in the system. Like there's just no way that
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  like how on earth does a shooter get on a roof 130 yards away?
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  That seems crazy. I think most people like what
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  people are wondering how that on earth could such a thing happen.
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  Well, you know, I view it as two ways.
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  There should have been nobody in the roof.
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  There were people because there were so many 10s of thousands of
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  people there. There were people that were
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  seeing him, and there was one woman with a red shirt and Trump
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  all over it, and she's screaming that guys got a gun.
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  You know, you saw it probably. Yeah, there's a guy with a gun.
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  It's like I'm just, I'm just, I guess, I mean, fine for my part.
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  And I think probably many members of the public are
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  wondering how the heck are, you know, basically people wondering
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  by pointing out there's a guy on the roof with a gun.
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  Yeah. And they're seeing it, but
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  somehow that's it's not being addressed.
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  That does seem crazy. Well, they're going to learn
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  from this. The communication between the
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  local police who sort of had an idea and then ultimately a man
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  lifted himself up to the roof, could barely do it because, you
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  know, he was pulling himself up and he saw the man with the gun,
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  the man with the gun pointed the gun at him.
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  He thought he was probably going to get shot.
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  But you know, who's like pulling himself up.
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  And because of that he couldn't get to his gun.
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  And he fell down actually very badly hurt his leg, his ankle, I
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  hear very badly. But but he fell down and he did,
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  you know, from what I understand, he did say there's a
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  guy up there with a gun And the, the shooting started very
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  quickly after that. I think it, I think it forced
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  the shooter to go maybe quicker. You know, you're supposed to be
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  a very good shot. Yeah.
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  My sons Don and Eric, they, they can't believe what happened.
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  But they said from 130 yards a bad shot would hit that target
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  almost every time. They said it's like in golf
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  thinking a 2 foot putt. Yeah, it's, it's not a hot, it's
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  not a tough shot. It's not a, it's not a long
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  shot. The Secret Service person had
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  the long shot. He had a, you know, triple the
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  distance actually. So, you know, it was a terrible
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  thing. Look, it's hard, I have to say
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  this about the Secret Service. When I went down and, you know,
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  I went down based on, I think they're screaming.
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  But other people also, because people saw this happen, you
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  know, you had so many people. One of the miracles was that
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  nobody ran. I mean, if a gun goes off, the
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  crowd control people showed that, showed us this.
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  When guns go off, and it does happen in stadiums, at a soccer
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  match or some kind of a match, everybody flees.
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  They call it a Stampede like cattle, but everybody and a lot
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  of people get killed with those stampedes.
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  We had more people than you'd have at, you know, some of these
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  matches or these games and nobody left.
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  You know, you had a small group behind us in the grandstand and
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  that was full. And you look at it as it was
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  taking place and normally they'd be running.
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  They didn't leave. They saw that I was hurt.
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  They saw a lot of blood and they saw that I went down and it's
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  almost like they wanted to be with me.
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  Well, out front you had thousands, 10s of thousands of
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  people you as far as the eye could see.
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  You had people in Butler as far as the eye could see.
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  And and yeah, and a lot of press too.
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  That was, you know, many cameras on watching this.
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  It's what made makes it so different because normally
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  things happen that aren't good, but you never have a picture of
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  it. Here we have all these cameras
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  shooting it. So, you know, sort of amazing.
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  But one of the interesting things was that you didn't have
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  anybody flee. You didn't have anybody Stampede
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  nobody. And there was some people behind
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  me. They stood up and they're
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  looking like, you know, I mean, I'll say you want to have you
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  want to have them in a foxhole with you.
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  I want to meet some of those people because it's so different
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  from what you heard. But so, so I was down, but the
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  Secret Service guys, there were bullets flying right over my
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  head. You could hear them go whizzing
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  and, and these guys came jumping on top of me and a young lady,
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  Kate would jump. They they moved so fast and let
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  me tell you that took tremendous courage.
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  Now there was a lack of coordination.
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  There was, you know, obviously everybody understands that
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  somebody that that building should have been covered.
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  And yeah, I mean, that was the big thing.
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  I mean, I mean, looking at the the aerial views, that building
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  would be like the number one spot for a sniper.
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  I mean, it's like, it's like the if you were to pick like what is
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  the favorite if you so if the goal is to assassinate, what's
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  your favorite spot that building?
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  That building would be number. One that would have been the.
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  Spot, it's like you can, you can ask for a, it's like no.
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  That would have been this. You know, what people think is
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  when the local policeman, who by the way, you know, he really, he
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  did what he was supposed to do. He couldn't hold on any longer.
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  And then when he got his head just peeking above this guy
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  standing there with a gun at his head.
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  And when he fell down again, hurt his ankle very badly.
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  But he was making the calls. But what happened is the firing
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  took place very soon. So what they think is that this
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  guy ran to his site, which he had all planned out with the
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  gun. He ran to the site and he
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  started shooting fast. And maybe that's why he, well,
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  he sort of missed. I mean, you know, he, yeah, but
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  it could have been, it could have been, could have been a
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  much bigger problem. But he totally would have hit if
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  if you hadn't turned your head. So, but like, you know, there
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  was a it was a very near thing. It was a.
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  Miracle if I hadn't turned my head, yeah, I would not be
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  talking to you right now, as much as I like you.
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  Exactly. I would not, yeah, I would not
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  be talking. To you from another realm pass.
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  Yeah, that's right. We'd be talking from a different
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  place. But it was a, it was a, you
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  know, it was a very terrible experience.
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  The the Butler Hospital. They did such a great job.
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  The doctors were so good. Everybody was so good.
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  There was there was a mistake. If if somebody knew, because
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  people were hearing that, you know, there was just a bad
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  feeling that there was somebody was around, you know, that story
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  now it's been yeah. And if somebody could have said,
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  because they've oftentimes said, you know, like there'd be a
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  lightning storm or something because I've done I think over
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  300. I think I did a lot more that,
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  but we did a lot. And oftentimes they'll say, Sir,
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  could you wait 10 minutes, please?
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  Sir, could you wait 20 minutes? There's the storm overhead or
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  lightning or something, right? And that happens often.
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  And this would have been a perfect time for that to have
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  happened. But it didn't.
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  It didn't get coordinated. That was the problem.
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  Well, it was your, I think your actions in the, in the heat of a
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  fire in, you know, like what I find admirable there was that
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  you can't fake bravery under such circumstances.
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  The courage is instinctual or it is not.
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  It's not a rehearsed action. And so I just want to say that I
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  think a lot of people admire your courage under fire there.
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  And yeah, so. Thank you very much.
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  I appreciate it. I didn't.
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  I don't think I didn't think of it.
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  I just want to get up and I want to stand up.
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  I want to let people know, you know, I felt I was good when
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  when they were on top of me, covering me, actually very much
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  covering me and very bravely. But I wanted to get up.
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  I said, I want to get up. And they wanted, you know, they
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  had, they have everything there. They have, they wanted
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  stretcher. I didn't like the stretcher and
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  I knew I was hit in the year, but I knew I wasn't hit anywhere
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  else. They felt I was hit someplace.
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  Yes, it was such as a lot of blood and they were sure that I
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  was hit someplace else. And they were saying, Sir, what
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  you, you, you were hitting more than the year.
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  I said, Nope, I was hit in the year.
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  I want to get up, let me get up. And so we, I got up and the
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  crowd didn't know what to think. I mean, this was so, so many
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  people. And they did, you could see they
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  were confused. They didn't know what to think.
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  And I wanted to let them know I was OK.
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  It was very important for me to let them know that.
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  And they went wild. You you've seen the after.
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  They didn't go wild when I got up because they didn't know.
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  Was I alive? You really couldn't tell when I
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  stood up before the hand, before the, you know, the fist in the
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  air. They didn't know if I was alive.
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  Nobody did. And when I put the fist up, they
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  were, they were just relieved and happy and thrilled and the
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  place went crazy. It was pretty amazing.
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  It was a it was a terrible thing, but.
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  It was, it was incredible. Probably moving.
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  Yeah. Well, and, and I mean, Speaking
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  of the, the, the, the sort of slide that got you to turn that
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  saved your life really was the illegal immigration slide.
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  Maybe this, maybe this is worth talking about about that.
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  It was. It was.
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  That slide, that slide. Saved my life.
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  Now the illegal immigration saved my life.
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  You're right. But it would I had to be at that
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  exact angle. I mean, that's that's a great
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  one. Saved.
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  Saved by illegal. You know the the incredible
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  thing, though, when you're talking about the odds, you had
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  to be exactly at that angle. But but the incredible thing is
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  that the chart, I used it less than 20% of the time.
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  It was just a moment. Yeah.
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  It's always on my left, never my right, and it's always at the
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  end of the speech. So here we have it.
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  It's on the right, not the left. It's at the beginning, not the
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  end. And even the people that put it
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  up, they were unprepared and they did a great job.
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  They got it up immediately, fortunately.
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  But I looked to the right and and the bullet and the bullet
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  came whizzing by hitting my ear. So it was the basic.
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  But when you think of the odds of that and yeah, you know that,
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  that normally you wouldn't use it.
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  Normally I wouldn't have the thing.
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  And then, you know, it would have been a very different
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  story. It's, it's very much I, I say an
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  act of God. It's a miracle that it happened
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  and I'm honored by it. I'm honored by it.
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  Well, what? What, what, what?
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  What were you about to say about illegal immigration before you
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  were rudely interrupted? Well, I was going to say how
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  good the numbers were. By the way, we're going back to
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  Butler and we're going to go back in October.
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  We're all set up and we're the people are fantastic in Butler.
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  It's a big, it's a great area. Great.
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  These are incredible people like the three that in the case of
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  Corey killed and the other two the the families are, I get to
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  know him a little bit and the families are great.
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  But we're going back to Butler, and I think I'll probably start
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  by saying, as I was saying. Prior to being.
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  So horribly interrupted, but. Yeah, so rudely interrupted by
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  it and. Yeah, no, but the charm.
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  Some people have to have no. Matter, Elon, the chart was just
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  a chart that in my last week we had the best illegal immigration
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  numbers, meaning stopping it was at the lowest.
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  You've seen the chart. It's become a quite a famous
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  Yeah, but that was the lowest point ever recorded.
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  It was a really. I mean, I was very proud of
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  those numbers. And then you see what happened
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  with these people, Kamala and Joe, you see what happened.
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  They just let it go. I had remain in Mexico policies.
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  I had all these different policies.
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  That was so good. Guys like Tom Holman and Brandon
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  Judd from Border Patrol, all these are all people that
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  they've been on television. They says the best numbers we've
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  ever had. We had so many different checks,
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  catch and release in Mexico, not the United.
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  We had catch and release in the United States.
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  We had it in Mexico. We had so many things.
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  We had things where if people, many people come in there, they
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  have contagious diseases. We had everything passed.
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  If you have a contagious disease, I'm sorry, but we can,
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  we cannot allow you into the country.
• 19:29
  So we were setting literally records and I all I was doing is
• 19:35
  showing that and I, I used it sometimes.
• 19:37
  And in this case, I'm glad I used it.
• 19:39
  I can tell you that. But but they were fantastic
• 19:43
  numbers. But I'm going to sleep with that
• 19:44
  chart always. I'm going to, I'll be sleeping
• 19:46
  with that chart. That chart was was very
• 19:49
  important, very important for a lot of reasons.
• 19:51
  Well, I mean, I mean, would it be accurate to, would it be
• 19:54
  accurate to say that you're supportive of legal immigration,
• 19:58
  but that, but we also need to shut down illegal immigration
• 20:03
  and especially unvetted illegal immigration because you, you
• 20:06
  know, and, and that's, that's not the same as saying that
• 20:08
  everyone who's an illegal immigrant is bad.
• 20:10
  In fact, I think most people who are illegal immigrants are
• 20:13
  actually good but but you can't tell the difference unless
• 20:16
  there's a solid betting of who comes across the board.
• 20:19
  Does that actually represent your?
• 20:22
  Position, I say it very simply, they have to come in legally,
• 20:25
  they have to be checked because look, Kamala was the borders are
• 20:29
  now she's denying it. Everything that I do, she's
• 20:32
  saying she was strong on the border.
• 20:35
  We're going to be strong. Well, she doesn't have to say
• 20:37
  it. She could close it up right now.
• 20:39
  They could. They could do things right now.
• 20:40
  It's horrible. No tax on tips and all of a
• 20:44
  sudden she's making a speeches and there will be no tax on
• 20:46
  tips. I said that months ago.
• 20:48
  And by the way, they had just the opposite, you know, they had
• 20:51
  not only tax on tips, but they hired 88,000 IRS agents and many
• 20:57
  of them were assigned to go get waitresses and caddies and all
• 21:01
  of this on tips. They have a policy.
• 21:03
  They had a policy. They were really going to go
• 21:05
  after you and we're really harassing people horribly.
• 21:09
  And then all of a sudden for politics, she says, you know,
• 21:11
  she comes out with with what I said, which I think is terrible.
• 21:14
  And I think it's also hitting them very hard.
• 21:16
  These people are fake. Now they're also saying they did
• 21:19
  a good job in the border. We had the worst numbers in the
• 21:21
  history of the world, not of our country.
• 21:23
  There's never been a country in history that has had a
• 21:27
  catastrophe like this. We've had I believe, and I think
• 21:30
  you believe this too. You know, you hear 12 million,
• 21:32
  thirty, I believe it's over 20 million people came into our
• 21:35
  country, many coming from jails, from prisons, from from mental
• 21:41
  institutions or a bigger version of that is insane asylums.
• 21:45
  And many are terrorists. And I'll tell you what, they're
• 21:48
  coming not just from South America, they're coming from
• 21:50
  Africa, they're coming from all over the world.
• 21:52
  They're coming from Asia, they're coming from the Middle
• 21:55
  East. They're coming from countries
• 21:57
  that are stupidly and horribly bombing Israel October 7th.
• 22:03
  They're coming from all over the world.
• 22:05
  They and you know, you look at it's so sad October 7th, because
• 22:09
  it should have never happened. Yeah, it's so sad when you look
• 22:12
  at Ukraine. It should have never happened.
• 22:14
  We have a defective government. These are defective people, and
• 22:17
  they're not people that should be running it.
• 22:19
  But where you see it the best is the border, because you had, you
• 22:23
  have millions of people coming in a month.
• 22:25
  And then she gets up and she tries to pretend like she's
• 22:29
  going to do something. She had 3 1/2 years.
• 22:31
  And by the way, they have another five months that they
• 22:34
  can do something, but they won't do anything.
• 22:36
  It's all talk. He's been competent and he's
• 22:39
  incompetent. And frankly, I think that she's
• 22:41
  more incompetent than he is. And that's saying something
• 22:44
  because he's not too good. Yeah, No, I I think it's, it is
• 22:48
  essential to have a secure border.
• 22:51
  I mean, you're, you're really not a country unless you're a
• 22:53
  secure border and. And secure elections you.
• 22:57
  Know absolutely secure elections and so it's just essential to
• 23:02
  have a real border or we can't function as a country and our
• 23:06
  service, you know, our central services are being overwhelmed
• 23:09
  in a lot of cities. And but I, as we were talking
• 23:13
  about earlier, I think having illegal immigration process that
• 23:19
  is smooth and efficient and done well.
• 23:21
  And I'm speaking as someone who is illegal immigrant.
• 23:25
  And I think that that I mean, like, one way to think of it is
• 23:29
  who do you want on your team? You know, who like who do you
• 23:32
  want on team America? And, and I think we want to just
• 23:35
  say, OK, we, we want to let in people who are going to, you
• 23:40
  know, be great contributors to our society and to our economy
• 23:45
  and, you know, and who do you want on the team?
• 23:48
  And it's, and it's not to say that like in my opinion,
• 23:52
  actually, I'd say like probably most of the illegal immigrants
• 23:55
  actually are, are, are actually good working people.
• 23:58
  That's my opinion. But some are not.
• 24:01
  And, and you just have this sort of adverse selection process
• 24:06
  where you know, if, if somebody's, you know, if
• 24:10
  somebody's like, you know, has a career in, in theft or robbery.
• 24:16
  I don't understand what's taken them so long to get here because
• 24:21
  we are such a target rich environment.
• 24:23
  I mean, you know, why aren't they, why aren't more people who
• 24:27
  have a career in, you know, bad things coming here sooner?
• 24:31
  Because it's, I mean, it's a piece of cake to go rob, you
• 24:34
  know, houses in LA or New York compared to other parts of the
• 24:39
  world. And, and, and in a lot of places
• 24:42
  in America, if if you try to stop the person who's robbing
• 24:46
  you, you'll be arrested, No. That's right.
• 24:50
  I mean, what what's happening with crime?
• 24:52
  And our police are so good, but they're not allowed to do their
• 24:55
  job. But I have to tell you, Elon, I
• 24:57
  hate to say because it's such a downer to say it.
• 24:59
  I hate to say it, I hate it, but you have a lot of people that
• 25:03
  just shouldn't be. I think it's a much bigger
• 25:05
  number than you think. They're allowing again, they're
• 25:08
  allowing people from their jails.
• 25:09
  And if you were running one of these countries where they're
• 25:11
  coming from, you would have had all of them.
• 25:14
  As an example of Venezuela, their crime is down 72%.
• 25:19
  They're taking their drug dealers.
• 25:21
  They're taking, frankly, their prisoners.
• 25:22
  They're emptying out their prisons, they're taking their
• 25:25
  criminals, they're murderers, they're rapists, and they're
• 25:28
  they're delivering them into. That's what.
• 25:30
  That's what cast Castro. Yeah, well, they did on a much
• 25:32
  smaller scale, you know, is this much smaller scale.
• 25:35
  But this is a massive scale because this is being done
• 25:38
  worldwide. But here's what's happening.
• 25:40
  Crime all over the world is down.
• 25:43
  And wait till you see the numbers that we have, You know,
• 25:46
  these, this is migrant crime. This is crime that's going to
• 25:48
  be. And I saw it today in New York
• 25:50
  where somebody was knifed with a raped the girlfriend of a man
• 25:55
  that stood there watching in New York in one of the shelters and
• 25:59
  started pulling out the knives and bad things happened today.
• 26:02
  But this is happening every day. These are rough people.
• 26:05
  These are people that are in jail for murder and all sorts of
• 26:08
  things. And they're releasing them into
• 26:09
  our country and they're telling them if you come back, we're
• 26:12
  going to kill you. We're going to give you the
• 26:13
  death penalty or kill you. So they don't want to come back.
• 26:16
  But these are rough people. These are criminals that make
• 26:19
  our criminals look like nice people.
• 26:21
  And it's horrible what they're doing.
• 26:22
  And and and she's in charge of it because, you know, now she's
• 26:25
  trying to say she had nothing to do with it and she's such a liar
• 26:29
  because she was called the borders are the first day and it
• 26:32
  was on the headlines of every newspaper.
• 26:34
  She's the borders are and she never even went there.
• 26:36
  She went to one location which had nothing to do with where the
• 26:39
  problem is. You know, she went in and out, I
• 26:41
  guess because she was getting a lot of pressure, but had nothing
• 26:44
  to do with the problems. But she was the borders are and
• 26:47
  you people can't allow them to get away with their
• 26:50
  disinformation campaign. Now she's trying to say that she
• 26:54
  wasn't. She wasn't really involved, and
• 26:58
  the whole thing is horrible. She was totally in charge.
• 27:01
  She could have shut the border down without him.
• 27:03
  He didn't know what he was doing anyways.
• 27:05
  He wouldn't have even know what happened.
• 27:06
  You could shut the border down, he wouldn't even know the
• 27:08
  difference. But the fact is that she was
• 27:12
  borders are. But if you don't have to call
• 27:14
  her that, the fact is you could just call her.
• 27:17
  She was in charge of the border, and the border was the worst
• 27:20
  ever. It's it's simply not working.
• 27:22
  No, it's horrible. Whether whether it's by whether
• 27:25
  it's by whether it's a question of, of intention or competence,
• 27:30
  either way, we, we, we, we don't have a secure border and we have
• 27:34
  people streaming over like it looks like a world World War Z
• 27:37
  zombie apocalypse at times. And, you know, sometimes you,
• 27:40
  you, you, you got to sort of wonder like, is it real or not?
• 27:43
  So I, you know, because you see things here like, is it real?
• 27:46
  I so I went to the border at Eagle Pass and I saw it for
• 27:49
  myself in Texas. And I was like, OK, it's real.
• 27:52
  I'm like seeing this in real time.
• 27:53
  I actually posted the video like just live.
• 27:55
  I just, I just flew there one day and just to see, hey, is
• 27:57
  this, is this, is this made-up or real?
• 28:00
  And I'm, I'm just seeing people stream across the border And,
• 28:03
  and I have to say, you know, at least the people that I saw did
• 28:06
  not look friendly. You know, so these people can
• 28:09
  look at my video and say, hey, you know, these people look
• 28:12
  friendly. I don't look super friendly so.
• 28:14
  These are people that Elon would not be the same man if he had to
• 28:18
  walk across the street and look these people in the eye.
• 28:20
  These are rough people. These are really rough people
• 28:23
  coming across. And I know rough people.
• 28:25
  And these are people that we don't want in our country.
• 28:28
  And you know, the caravans are coming in and they're putting
• 28:31
  and, and who's doing this as the heads of the countries.
• 28:34
  And you would be doing it. And so would I and everyone say,
• 28:37
  oh, what a terrible thing to say.
• 28:38
  The fact is it's brilliant for them because they're taking all
• 28:42
  of their bad people, really bad people.
• 28:45
  And I hate to say this, the reason the numbers are much
• 28:48
  bigger than you would think is they're also taking their non
• 28:51
  productive people. Now these aren't people that
• 28:53
  will kill you. We have enough of them.
• 28:55
  But these are people that are non productive.
• 28:58
  They they are just not productive.
• 28:59
  I mean, for whatever reason, they're not workers or they
• 29:02
  don't want to work or whatever. And these countries are getting
• 29:05
  rid of non productive people in the caravans in many cases.
• 29:09
  And they're also getting rid of their murderers and their drug
• 29:12
  dealers and the people that are really brutal people.
• 29:16
  And they're coming into our country at levels that have
• 29:18
  never been seen before. And I saw an ad just before I
• 29:22
  got on the air. I'm I'm walking over here and I
• 29:25
  saw an ad by Kamala saying how she is going to provide border
• 29:30
  security. Where has she been for 3 1/2
• 29:32
  years? For 3 1/2 years?
• 29:33
  Yeah. No, no, we have 20 million
• 29:35
  people. It's a.
• 29:36
  Terrible. Yeah, I think this, frankly, I
• 29:39
  think this is a fundamental existential issue for the United
• 29:42
  States. And if we have another four more
• 29:45
  years of, of open borders and it's going to be even with
• 29:49
  another four more years, it's going to be even worse than it's
• 29:51
  been for the past, you know, 3 1/2 years.
• 29:55
  I'm not sure we've got a country.
• 29:55
  You don't have a country at that point, Ilan.
• 29:58
  If they get in, you will have 50 to 60 million people from all
• 30:03
  over the world, not South America only.
• 30:06
  You know, we think of South America.
• 30:07
  We think of Honduras and El Salvador, Guatemala and Mexico,
• 30:12
  you know, the four. But it's not that it's
• 30:14
  everywhere. They're coming in from
• 30:16
  everywhere and I had to stay in. Mexico, this is a super
• 30:21
  important point. Like people, it's like basically
• 30:24
  when I went down there, I was like, well, where are people
• 30:25
  from? It's like, it's like almost no
• 30:27
  one was from Mexico. No, Mexico left.
• 30:29
  It's just it's. Just, it's just the border.
• 30:31
  It's just the border with Mexico, but the people coming
• 30:33
  in, it's, it's, it's Earth, the rest of Earth and, and America
• 30:38
  is, is only, you know, about four, four or 5% of the
• 30:41
  population of Earth. It would only take a few percent
• 30:44
  of the rest of Earth to overwhelm everything.
• 30:45
  We're already overwhelmed, Elon. It's we're overwhelmed.
• 30:49
  You had to see the news tonight about New York, NY and I love
• 30:53
  that place and what they're doing to it is horrible.
• 30:56
  What they're doing to it and all the courts do is they try and
• 30:58
  focus on Trump. Okay, then let's focus on Trump,
• 31:01
  who did nothing wrong. I complain about our rigged
• 31:04
  election. Elon, what's happened is
• 31:07
  unbelievable. You have from Africa, from the
• 31:10
  Congo. They're coming from the Congo
• 31:12
  and 22 people came in from the Congo recently and they're
• 31:16
  murderers and they're dropped. They drop them.
• 31:18
  They take them out of jails, which is very expensive, you
• 31:22
  know, to maintain the jail. So they don't do too much
• 31:24
  maintaining, I can tell you. But they take them out of jails,
• 31:27
  prisons, they take them out and they bring them to the United
• 31:30
  States. They deposit them in the United
• 31:32
  States. Since they don't ever come back,
• 31:33
  you're going to be executed and they don't want to come back,
• 31:36
  but they won't come back. Sure, but but they're coming
• 31:39
  from Africa, they're coming from Asia, they're coming from the
• 31:43
  Middle East, they're coming from South America, they're coming
• 31:45
  from. Everywhere basically.
• 31:47
  And there are a lot of. Really bad ones.
• 31:49
  It's just a, it's just, it's just an everywhere on Earth
• 31:52
  thing and it's just, it's just not possible for the United
• 31:54
  States to absorb, you know, everyone from Earth or, or, you
• 31:57
  know, even a few percent of the rest of Earth is just not
• 31:59
  possible. So, Elon, we're gonna have.
• 32:02
  Just that's that's just. To finish this up, we're gonna
• 32:04
  have the largest deportation in history of this country and we
• 32:09
  have no choice otherwise. We're going to have a country
• 32:11
  what they're what they've done to our country.
• 32:14
  Think of it with, with, you know, in Venezuela and in some
• 32:18
  of these other countries, crime is down 50, sixty, 7080%.
• 32:22
  And you would be the same. You would have, you would have.
• 32:25
  I'll tell you what, Venezuela has not gotten rid of all of
• 32:28
  them. They've gotten rid of about 70%
• 32:30
  of their really bad people. Their jails are about 50% put
• 32:34
  into the United States. Same with other countries.
• 32:37
  Some are 30%, some are at 50%. They're all different, but the
• 32:40
  bottom line is they're all going to be 100%.
• 32:42
  Why wouldn't you put 100% of? Yeah, and they're doing it right
• 32:46
  now while this third rate phony candidate, don't forget, I beat,
• 32:52
  I beat Biden. He failed in the debate
• 32:55
  miserably. And you know, some people said,
• 32:58
  oh, Gee, it's too bad. It's too bad he did so badly or
• 33:01
  I did well in the bed. You know, the first night they
• 33:03
  said, wow, one of the people at CNN said that was the greatest
• 33:06
  debate performance I've ever witnessed.
• 33:09
  And then two days later, they didn't talk about that.
• 33:11
  They just said he was bad. But that's OK.
• 33:13
  That's the way I get treated. And I don't mind that at all.
• 33:15
  What I can tell you is this. We cannot have a Democrat.
• 33:18
  We cannot have her. She's incompetent.
• 33:20
  She's as bad as Biden in a different yes.
• 33:23
  He hasn't done an interview since this whole scam started.
• 33:28
  And and say what you want, this was the coup.
• 33:31
  This was a coup of a president of the United States.
• 33:33
  He didn't want to leave. And they said we can do it the
• 33:35
  nice way or we can do it the hard way.
• 33:38
  Yeah, I'm they just took him out back behind the shed and
• 33:41
  basically shot him. You know what they did with this
• 33:43
  guy, and I'm no fan of his. And he was a horrible president,
• 33:46
  the worst president in history, and one of the reasons he was so
• 33:49
  bad. First of all, the Israeli attack
• 33:51
  would have never happened. Russia would never have attacked
• 33:54
  Ukraine and we'd have no inflation.
• 33:56
  And we wouldn't have had the Afghanistan mess, if you think
• 33:59
  of it well, and we wouldn't have had Afghanistan.
• 34:02
  But we think of it, we you take a few of those events away and
• 34:06
  we have a different world. We would also have no inflation
• 34:09
  was caused by oil. Yeah.
• 34:11
  No, no, I think you make an excellent point here, which is
• 34:14
  that when other countries can, you know, that that are, you
• 34:18
  know, are thinking about invading or doing bad things,
• 34:21
  when they're thinking about that, they're thinking about,
• 34:23
  OK, what's the American president going to do?
• 34:25
  And do they fear the American president?
• 34:28
  Or is there someone they they do not respect or and do not fear?
• 34:32
  And I think they they do, they do they would they have to put
• 34:36
  rightfully be I mean, but you know, look at that the footage
• 34:40
  of the assassination. They're like, OK, you know, the
• 34:44
  President Trump is it's like, don't mess with me.
• 34:47
  I mean, that's like, whereas I think people are not going to
• 34:51
  be. And they obviously have not been
• 34:52
  at all intimidated by Biden, and they certainly will not be
• 34:56
  intimidated by Kamala. And you have to really think
• 34:58
  about in the context of global security, that's that if the
• 35:03
  American president is someone that, like, you know, evil
• 35:07
  dictators are scared of, that makes a huge difference to the
• 35:11
  security of the world. So I had a good relationship
• 35:14
  with Putin despite Russia, Russia, Russia hoax that lasted
• 35:17
  for over 2 years. Just a hoax created by Hillary
• 35:20
  Clinton and Adam Shifty Schiff. Some just bad people, you know,
• 35:24
  just sick people, frankly. I mean, Schiff, Schiff is a sick
• 35:27
  person. He's going to end up probably
• 35:29
  being a senator. It's hard to believe.
• 35:31
  The whole thing is hard to believe, but that, you know,
• 35:33
  they put our country in danger with that stuff too.
• 35:36
  They actually when they make up stories and you have to fight
• 35:39
  your way out of it for a long time.
• 35:40
  But I know Putin very well. I got along with him very well.
• 35:44
  He respected me. And it's just one of those
• 35:46
  things. And he would we would talk a lot
• 35:49
  about Ukraine. It was the apple of his eye.
• 35:52
  But I said don't ever do it. Don't ever do it.
• 35:54
  You know, I shut down Nordstrom too.
• 35:56
  That was the big oil pipeline, the biggest, I think a biggest
• 35:58
  pipeline in the world going all over Europe.
• 36:00
  I shut it down. Biden came and then they say I,
• 36:03
  you know, I was, I loved Russia. I was a friend of Putin and I
• 36:05
  loved Russia. No, he actually said to me one
• 36:08
  time, he said, if you're my friend, I'd hate to see you as
• 36:10
  an enemy. I shut down his pipeline, the
• 36:12
  biggest pipeline. They were looking at that fund
• 36:15
  and this this pathetic president gets in there and the first
• 36:20
  thing he did, one of the early things he did is he shut down.
• 36:23
  He shut down Keystone XL pipeline, which is our pipeline
• 36:27
  that would have employed 48,000 people pipeline workers, shuts
• 36:32
  it down. That was, you know, a massive
• 36:35
  job that Obama refused to allow. I allowed it in my first week
• 36:41
  because it was jobs that had moved oil and by the way, in a
• 36:43
  much more environmentally friendly way.
• 36:45
  It's underground. It's not a truck that catches on
• 36:48
  fire or a train that catches on fire.
• 36:50
  But think of it. He shut down the XL pipeline,
• 36:55
  the Keystone XL pipeline. He shuts that down and he
• 36:59
  approves the Russian pipeline. Yeah, it doesn't make any sense.
• 37:03
  It's like it's inconsistent, certainly the, but I mean, I
• 37:07
  think it's just worth emphasizing to, you know, to
• 37:09
  listeners, the, the, the, the immense importance of, of
• 37:14
  whether the United States president is intimidating or not
• 37:18
  intimidating and how much that matters to global security.
• 37:22
  Because there's some real tough characters out there.
• 37:25
  And if they don't think the American president is tough,
• 37:28
  they will do what they want to do.
• 37:29
  I know everyone. And that puts that put that it
• 37:31
  puts the whole world in danger. Elon, I know everyone of them
• 37:34
  and I feel well. I know Putin, I know President
• 37:37
  Xi, I know Kim Jong Un of North Korea, I know every one of them.
• 37:40
  And let me tell you, people say, oh, this is terrible.
• 37:43
  He said, I'm not saying anything good or bad.
• 37:45
  They're at the top of the game. They're tough, they're smart,
• 37:49
  they're vicious, and they're going to protect their country.
• 37:52
  Whether they love their country, they probably do.
• 37:54
  It's just a different form of love, but they're going to
• 37:56
  protect their country. But these are tough people at
• 37:58
  the top of their game. And when they see a Kamala or
• 38:01
  when they see Biden, Sleepy Joe, thank, can't even believe it.
• 38:06
  They can't believe this happened.
• 38:08
  All the stuff that you're seeing now, all the horror that you
• 38:11
  look at Israel, they're all waiting for an attack from Iran.
• 38:14
  Iran would not be attacking, believe me.
• 38:17
  You know, when I was there, and I say it with respect because I
• 38:21
  think we would have been good with Iran.
• 38:23
  I don't want to do anything bad to Iran.
• 38:25
  But they knew not to mess around.
• 38:27
  Iran was broke because I told China, if you buy from Iran oil,
• 38:31
  it's all about the oil. That's where the money is.
• 38:33
  But if you buy oil from Iran, you're not going to do any
• 38:36
  business with the United States. And I meant it.
• 38:40
  And they said we'll pass. They didn't buy oil.
• 38:42
  Other countries likewise. You want to buy, you're not
• 38:45
  doing business with the United States.
• 38:46
  And they, they were at a point where they were, they had no
• 38:49
  money for Hamas. They had no money for Hezbollah.
• 38:51
  They had no money for any of these instruments of terror.
• 38:54
  And it was amazing. In fact, there were articles
• 38:58
  when I was leaving, which is hard to believe actually,
• 39:01
  especially when you look at what's happened to our country.
• 39:03
  Our country is so bad right now. It's such a different place.
• 39:06
  We were respected. Think of it four years ago, we
• 39:09
  were so respected to a point where when I said don't buy oil,
• 39:13
  they didn't buy oil, but they had no money and Israel would
• 39:16
  have never been attacked. It is zero chance.
• 39:20
  And again, I said to Vladimir Putin, I say don't do it.
• 39:23
  You can't do it, Vladimir. You do it.
• 39:25
  It's going to be a bad day. You cannot do it.
• 39:28
  And I told him things that what I do and he said no way.
• 39:33
  And I said way, and you know, it's the last time we ever had
• 39:36
  the conversation. He would he would never have
• 39:38
  done. I got along well with him.
• 39:40
  I hope to get along with well with them again.
• 39:42
  You know, getting along well with them is a good thing, not a
• 39:45
  bad thing. I got along well with you, Jong
• 39:47
  UN, when I met with President Obama just before entering, you
• 39:51
  know, it's a sort of a ritual. And I sat down with him and we
• 39:55
  talked. It was supposed to be for a very
• 39:56
  short period of time and turned out to be a long period of time.
• 39:59
  I said, what's the biggest problem?
• 40:00
  He said North Korea. I had that problem worked out
• 40:03
  very quickly. It was nasty at the beginning
• 40:04
  with. Rocket Man and you know all the
• 40:07
  different things, but all of a sudden I got a call.
• 40:09
  There was some epic tweets by the way.
• 40:11
  Yeah, they were. No, they were epic.
• 40:13
  Everything he said. He said that he has a red button
• 40:16
  on his desk. I said I have a red button on my
• 40:19
  desk too, but my red button is much bigger and my red button
• 40:22
  works. And then I called him Little
• 40:24
  Rocket man of Little Rocket Man. Anyway, here's the bottom line.
• 40:27
  All of a sudden I got a call from him and they said they want
• 40:30
  to meet. They want to meet me.
• 40:32
  And we met. Yeah, as you remember, we met in
• 40:34
  Singapore. We met and also in Vietnam, and
• 40:38
  I got along with him great. We were in no danger.
• 40:40
  But President Obama, President Obama thought we were going to
• 40:43
  end up in a war, a nuclear war with him.
• 40:46
  And let me tell you, he's got a lot of nuclear stuff too.
• 40:48
  He's got plenty of nuclear. He can do plenty of damage so.
• 40:52
  Yes, I mean, it's because, you know, I mean people like, like
• 40:56
  Kim Kim, you know, Kim Jong Un, they respond to strength, not
• 40:59
  weakness well, and he. And I got, he and I had a good
• 41:03
  relationship. You know, remember, I remember I
• 41:05
  met him and, and we walked onto his land.
• 41:07
  Nobody ever walked onto his land before I walked our kid.
• 41:10
  I wouldn't say, let's bring up Secret Service again.
• 41:13
  I wouldn't say they were thrilled when I did that.
• 41:15
  I walked onto his land and it was, it was an amazing period,
• 41:19
  but we were not in danger with him because of me.
• 41:22
  You know, I always say that we have enemies on the outside and
• 41:26
  we have enemies on the inside. We have some really bad people
• 41:29
  in our government and people that are and controlling of the
• 41:34
  people. I mean, I'd mentioned names, but
• 41:36
  I don't, I really don't want to give the credit, but we have
• 41:38
  some really bad and I say they're more dangerous than
• 41:41
  Russia and China. If you have a smart president, a
• 41:46
  president that gets it, we are not in danger from those
• 41:49
  countries because they need us and they need our help.
• 41:52
  I mean, we forced Obama. If you think about it, Obama and
• 41:55
  Biden and Bush to a certain extent, in all fairness, forced
• 41:59
  Russia and China together. And if you're a history student,
• 42:04
  the first thing you learn is you cannot let Russia and China
• 42:07
  align. But then they also got, if you
• 42:09
  take a look, Iran and they have North Korea, that's, you know,
• 42:13
  they caught the axis of evil. In the old days, you had the
• 42:16
  axis of evil. Here we have a modern day axis
• 42:19
  of evil. These are powerful countries,
• 42:22
  very heavy nuclear, which is the biggest threat.
• 42:25
  You know, the biggest threat, it's not global warming where
• 42:27
  the ocean is going to rise one 1/8 of an inch over the next 400
• 42:31
  years. The big and you'll have more,
• 42:33
  you'll have more oceanfront property, right?
• 42:35
  The biggest threat is not that the biggest threat is nuclear
• 42:38
  warming because we have five countries now that have
• 42:41
  significant nuclear power. And we have to not allow
• 42:46
  anything to happen with stupid people like Biden.
• 42:48
  You know, Biden did something with Russia.
• 42:52
  There was number chance of him ever going in.
• 42:54
  And when I left and then then after I left, they started
• 42:57
  forming big armies on there on the border with Ukraine, right?
• 43:01
  And I looked at that and I thought he was doing that
• 43:04
  because Putin's a good negotiator.
• 43:05
  I thought he was doing that to negotiate.
• 43:07
  But then Biden started saying such stupid things.
• 43:10
  For instance, he said that it can be a NATO country now put
• 43:16
  Russia for for as long as there's been NATO has said we're
• 43:19
  never going to agree to that. And we go right up front and say
• 43:23
  that. And we did things and said
• 43:25
  things through this president with a low IQ, very low IQ.
• 43:28
  He had a low IQ 30 years ago by the way, but now he might not
• 43:31
  even have a IQ at all. That there is no, there's
• 43:34
  nothing on the board that goes this law.
• 43:36
  He said things that were so stupid that that that war would
• 43:41
  have been that war had zero chance of happening if I were
• 43:45
  there, zero chance. He was saying everything the
• 43:48
  opposite, everything the opposite.
• 43:50
  And it's so sad because many more people have been killed in
• 43:54
  Ukraine than you read about. You don't read about how bloody
• 43:56
  it is and how does that they look just in the two armies.
• 43:59
  You lost a half a million people and and you know, Ukraine's
• 44:03
  having a hard time. Ukraine.
• 44:04
  I don't know if you saw the article recently and it's true.
• 44:07
  You don't hear the true story. But if you think about it,
• 44:11
  Russia's gone. You know, Russia defeated
• 44:13
  Germany with us and they defeated Napoleon.
• 44:16
  You know, they've been around a long time.
• 44:17
  They're a big fighting for, and it's very unfair.
• 44:21
  And Ukraine now doesn't have enough men.
• 44:24
  They're now using young men and very old men to fight.
• 44:27
  And it's it. We're in a very bad position.
• 44:30
  And I'm not going to blame exclusively, but I can tell you
• 44:34
  I could have stopped that. And a smart president could have
• 44:37
  stopped that. It wouldn't have happened.
• 44:38
  But we had it. We had a man that actually made
• 44:41
  it, it made it more prevalent. It, it, it was so bad, the words
• 44:45
  that he was using, the stupid threats coming from a stupid
• 44:49
  face that that he was using. I said, this guy's going to
• 44:53
  'cause this, the war, he's going to cause this.
• 44:55
  And let me tell you, it can lead to World War three.
• 44:57
  That can lead to World War three.
• 44:58
  The Middle East can lead to we have numerous places that could
• 45:02
  end up in a World War Three right now for no reason
• 45:05
  whatsoever. I think you're right.
• 45:07
  I think I think people under underrate the risk of World War
• 45:10
  three and it's just the the you know, when when looking at the
• 45:14
  risk of global thermonuclear warfare, it's game over for
• 45:17
  humanity. And, you know, that's it's
• 45:20
  something that people have, I think after the end of the Cold
• 45:23
  War, people have become complacent about, but they're
• 45:25
  actually have forgotten that there are currently a lot of
• 45:29
  nuclear missiles that that that are that that have targeting
• 45:32
  parameters for the United States from other.
• 45:34
  Countries. And one of the things we're
• 45:35
  going to do is we're going to build an Iron Dome over us.
• 45:38
  We're, you know, Israel has it. We're gonna have the best Iron
• 45:41
  Dome in the world. We need it.
• 45:42
  And we're gonna make it all in the United States.
• 45:44
  But we're gonna have, we're gonna have protection because it
• 45:47
  just takes one maniac to, you know, start something.
• 45:49
  We're gonna have protection and we're gonna have, why shouldn't
• 45:52
  we have an Iron Dome? Israel has one, some other
• 45:54
  place. You have one that nobody even
• 45:56
  knows about, frankly, but Israel has it.
• 45:58
  We're gonna have an Iron Dome. But you know, with all of that
• 46:01
  being said, to me, that's so important, the most important.
• 46:05
  But with all of that being said, the elections coming up and the
• 46:08
  people want to hear about the economy and the fact that they
• 46:11
  can't buy groceries because they don't have enough money to buy
• 46:14
  groceries. The inflation has killed them.
• 46:16
  Food prices are up 5060, even 100% in some cases.
• 46:20
  And this, this stupid administration allowed this to
• 46:24
  happen. And it's a shame.
• 46:26
  And that's the thing that people most care about, in my opinion.
• 46:28
  They care about the border a lot.
• 46:30
  And we discussed the border at great lengths.
• 46:32
  And it's nice to have a forum like this where I can discuss
• 46:34
  something at length. And by the way, you think Biden
• 46:37
  could do this interview? Do you think that Kamala could
• 46:40
  do this interview? They would take a pass.
• 46:42
  On you they could not. So they don't need Elon.
• 46:45
  They don't need Elon screaming out questions.
• 46:48
  It's it's pretty sad when you think that somebody that does
• 46:52
  this for a living can't answer a question or is afraid to do an
• 46:55
  interview. And in her case with a very
• 46:57
  friendly interview, she's got all friendly interviewers.
• 47:00
  It's pretty, yes. But the big thing now is the
• 47:02
  economy, Elon. And as much as I mean, and I
• 47:05
  viewed nuclear is the single most important thing, but a lot
• 47:08
  of people, a lot of people don't understand that.
• 47:10
  But it doesn't have to. If I understand that, that's all
• 47:13
  you need. Because if I was president,
• 47:15
  you're not going to have that kind of a problem.
• 47:16
  But the thing that they really is making them angry is what
• 47:21
  Kamala and Biden have allowed to happen to the economy.
• 47:24
  It's a disaster with inflation. The inflation, it doesn't matter
• 47:30
  what you make, the inflation has eaten you alive if you're a
• 47:33
  worker or if you're a just a, a middle income person you can't
• 47:39
  afford, you know, four years ago, five years ago, people were
• 47:41
  saving a lot of money. Today they used it all their
• 47:44
  money and borrowing money just to live.
• 47:46
  It's it's a horrible thing that's happening and we'll end
• 47:49
  that quickly a lot of. Yeah, a lot of people just don't
• 47:53
  understand, don't understand where inflation comes from.
• 47:56
  Inflation comes from government overspending because the checks
• 47:59
  never bounce when it's written by the government.
• 48:00
  So if the, if the, if the government that spends far more
• 48:04
  than it brings in, that increases the money supply and
• 48:07
  if the money supply increases faster than the rate of goods
• 48:09
  and services, that's inflation. So, so really we need to have,
• 48:15
  we need to reduce our government spending and we need to
• 48:19
  reexamine. I think we, I think we need like
• 48:21
  a government efficiency Commission to say like, Hey,
• 48:23
  where are we spending money that's sensible?
• 48:25
  Where is it not sensible? And we need to live within our
• 48:29
  means. We're currently adding, I think,
• 48:32
  a trillion dollars to the deficit every roughly every
• 48:35
  hundred days. And, you know, the interest
• 48:38
  payments on the national debt have now exceed the defense
• 48:41
  budget. It's on the order of a trillion
• 48:43
  dollars. It's interest.
• 48:44
  And it's and it keeps. It keeps.
• 48:46
  Growing. I rebuilt our military, largely
• 48:48
  rebuilt our military, did a great job on it, which was so
• 48:50
  important. You know, we had jets, we had
• 48:52
  fighters that were and bombers that was 70 years old and we did
• 48:56
  a great job in that. Then we, by the way, that we
• 48:58
  gave 85 billion of it back to Afghanistan, if you can believe
• 49:02
  it. We gave them 85 billion that,
• 49:04
  you know, they're one of the largest sellers of military
• 49:07
  equipment of the world. They're selling what we gave
• 49:08
  them. That was one of the most
• 49:11
  embarrassing days in the history of our country.
• 49:13
  But if you think about go, let's go back to the the economy, we
• 49:19
  have to bring energy prices down.
• 49:20
  Energy started it the price of gasoline now your cars don't
• 49:25
  require too much gasoline. So you know you're you have a
• 49:28
  good and you do make a great product.
• 49:29
  I have to say I have to be honest with you that doesn't
• 49:32
  mean everybody should have an electric car, but these are
• 49:34
  minor details but your your product is incredible.
• 49:37
  But but the gasoline, Elon, is the the cost of energy, not only
• 49:42
  gasoline, it's the cost of heating your house and cooling
• 49:45
  your house that has to come down.
• 49:47
  It it's gone up 100 percent, 150 and 200%.
• 49:52
  And that has to come down. When that comes down and we're
• 49:55
  going to drill, baby drill. You know, they stopped drilling
• 49:58
  and then they went back to drilling because they went back
• 50:01
  to the Trump policy. But if they won the day after
• 50:04
  they get into office, we're going to this country will go
• 50:08
  out of business because they're going to go to an energy policy
• 50:11
  that's not sustainable. Wind and different things.
• 50:15
  You're not gonna have anything. And, and I know you're a big fan
• 50:18
  of the AI and I have to say that AI, and this is shocking to me,
• 50:23
  but AI requires twice the energy that the country already
• 50:27
  produces for everything. So what you're gonna have to
• 50:30
  build, we're gonna have to build a lot of energy if our country
• 50:34
  will be competitive with China because that's our primary
• 50:37
  competitor for this on the AI, you're gonna need a lot of
• 50:41
  electricity. You're gonna need tremendous
• 50:43
  electricity, like almost double what we produce now for the
• 50:47
  whole country, if you can believe it.
• 50:48
  Sure. Well, just going, you know, back
• 50:51
  to this like this, this this basic thing which that people
• 50:55
  try to make it sound complicated is not, but inflation is caused
• 50:57
  by government overspending. Would you, would you agree that
• 51:01
  that we need to take a look at government spending and and and
• 51:05
  and have perhaps a government efficiency Commission that that
• 51:09
  just look tries to make the spending sensible and so the
• 51:11
  country lives within its means just like a just like a.
• 51:13
  Person waste is incredible and it's nobody negotiates prices.
• 51:19
  You used to have a lot of people making jets and you end up with
• 51:21
  two companies and they'll probably try and merge at some
• 51:24
  point. Yeah.
• 51:25
  I mean, I I went through it like air for just a thing like Air
• 51:30
  Force One. One of the first documents, they
• 51:32
  asked me to sign a general walks.
• 51:33
  And Sir, would you please sign this document?
• 51:35
  What is it? Air Force One?
• 51:37
  That's with Boeing, which is basically two planes, 2747 and
• 51:41
  the price was $5.7 billion for two planes.
• 51:44
  Now what? Now they're highly
• 51:46
  sophisticated. They're even nicer than your
• 51:48
  plane, OK, but much more sophisticated.
• 51:50
  They're very, I won't say what's on it, but they got a lot of
• 51:53
  stuff on it anyway. But it's 5.7 I.
• 51:56
  Listen, that's a crazy. It's.
• 51:57
  A crazy number, but I said I'm not going to pay 5.7, I'm not
• 51:59
  going to do it. I said who made the deal?
• 52:01
  Obama and his people. I said, well, then I know the
• 52:04
  deal is no good, I'm not going to do it.
• 52:06
  And over a course of about four weeks, by my saying I'm not
• 52:10
  going to do it, I got the price reduced by $1.6 billion for the
• 52:14
  exact same plane, other than we had a nicer paint job, if you
• 52:17
  want to know the truth. But for the exact same plane I
• 52:21
  got, I saved one. And I said to Boeing, man, you
• 52:23
  guys must make a lot of money if you can reduce the price by
• 52:26
  that. But now what I do here is that
• 52:28
  they're going back to the Biden administration and wanting big
• 52:33
  cost overruns, you know, because they see these dopey suckers in
• 52:36
  there and they'll end up getting some of the money back.
• 52:39
  But I shaved it by $1.6 billion for the exact same plan.
• 52:43
  And and you can now take that and multiply that out times
• 52:47
  thousands of other items. Multiply it.
• 52:49
  By the numbers and yeah, astronomical, I agree with you.
• 52:52
  Well, I mean, if so, so, I mean, I mean, I think it would be
• 52:57
  great to just have a government efficiency Commission that takes
• 52:59
  a look at at these things and, and just ensures that the
• 53:03
  taxpayer money, the taxpayers hard earned money is spent in a
• 53:08
  good way. And, and, and I'd be happy to
• 53:11
  help out on such a Commission. I'd love it if it were foam.
• 53:14
  Well, you, you're the greatest cutter.
• 53:16
  I mean, I look at what you do. You walk in and you just say you
• 53:19
  want to quit. They go on strike.
• 53:21
  I won't mention the name of the company, but they go on strike
• 53:23
  and you say that's OK, you're all gone.
• 53:25
  You're all gone. So everyone of you is gone and
• 53:28
  you are the greatest. You would be very good.
• 53:29
  Oh, you would love it. But you know, if you look at
• 53:32
  Argent. I'll be happy.
• 53:33
  By the way, congratulations, I just looked at the number of
• 53:36
  people that are listening to you and I chat, we'll call it a
• 53:38
  chat, but congratulations, this is very good.
• 53:42
  I mean, it's great. It's and and you're an
• 53:44
  interesting character. You know, the new head of a
• 53:49
  place called Argentina and he was, he's a big, you know, he's,
• 53:53
  he's great and he's a big mega fan.
• 53:55
  You know that he ran on Mega and he took it to an extreme too.
• 53:59
  He ran on Mega and I hear he's doing really a terrific job.
• 54:03
  It's called Make Argentina Great Again.
• 54:05
  It worked out perfectly. He came and he bought a lot of
• 54:07
  hats he brought over. But he's, he's doing a big job.
• 54:10
  He really cut and I'm hearing he's starting to do pretty well.
• 54:15
  Inflation's getting down. You know, they had like 2000%.
• 54:18
  They had inflation like, like not normal inflation.
• 54:21
  They had the the real deal. But we're going to have that
• 54:25
  pretty soon. We we have, I think we have the
• 54:27
  worst inflation we've had in 100 years.
• 54:29
  They say it's 48 years. I don't believe it.
• 54:32
  I think we have the worst. They don't include a lot of the
• 54:34
  items that should be included, you know.
• 54:36
  Yeah. Well, it's, it's, it's, it's
• 54:38
  just from, from government overspending and, and not just
• 54:41
  not spending taxpayer money. Yeah, effectively and, and
• 54:45
  having, you know, just depart like so many departments, you
• 54:48
  can't even name them all. And what Malay is doing is, you
• 54:53
  know, he's he's cutting government spending.
• 54:55
  He's he's simplifying things. He's having, you're putting in
• 54:58
  regulations that make sense. And I and, and, and Argentina
• 55:03
  overnight is experiencing a giant improvement in prosperity.
• 55:08
  But, but it's also a lesson for the United States, which is that
• 55:12
  Argentina used to be one of the most prosperous countries in the
• 55:14
  world, you know, in the, I think in the, in the 30s forties and,
• 55:19
  and because of bad government policy, it ruined the country.
• 55:23
  And, and if you take Venezuela, for example, Venezuela should be
• 55:26
  incredibly prosperous. They, they have, you know,
• 55:28
  phenomenal reserves of everything, oil everything.
• 55:33
  And it should be prosperous. But if the government's wrong,
• 55:36
  it, it impoverishes the people. And so I think we should not be
• 55:40
  complacent in the United States and thinking that and taking out
• 55:43
  prosperity for granted because if if with bad government policy
• 55:48
  run the country into the ground and that that's that's just
• 55:50
  something people should bear in mind.
• 55:51
  Don't take prosperity for. Granted, well, think of
• 55:54
  education. So we're ranked at the bottom of
• 55:56
  every list of the Top 40. We're ranked #40 #38 Norway,
• 56:03
  Switzerland, Sweden, as different countries are ranked
• 56:07
  good. Actually, China's pretty close
• 56:09
  to the top. There are top six or seven, but
• 56:11
  we're ranked at the bottom, almost at the bottom, 383940.
• 56:16
  In other words, horrible. And yet we spend more per pupil
• 56:19
  than any other country in the world.
• 56:20
  So we spend more. And what I'm going to do one of
• 56:23
  the first acts, and this is where I need an Elon Musk.
• 56:26
  I need somebody that has a lot of strength and courage and
• 56:29
  smarts. I want to close up Department of
• 56:31
  Education, move education back to the state where, where, where
• 56:35
  states like Iowa, where states like Idaho, you know, not every
• 56:40
  state will do great because states that basically aren't
• 56:43
  doing good. Now you look at Gavin Newscom,
• 56:46
  the governor of California, he, he's terrible.
• 56:49
  He's does a terrible job. So he's not going to do great
• 56:52
  with education. But of the of the 50, I would
• 56:55
  bet that 35 would do great and 15 of them or, you know, 20 of
• 57:02
  them will be as good as Norway. You know, Norway's considered
• 57:05
  great. You can name them.
• 57:07
  I mean, just they're so good. Some of these countries are so
• 57:10
  good. But if I if you go into some of
• 57:13
  these really well run states, you know, we have states that
• 57:15
  don't know what debt is. We have states that are have low
• 57:18
  taxes, no debt, everybody working.
• 57:21
  You know, they're really well run.
• 57:23
  And maybe they have certain advantages in terms of location,
• 57:26
  in terms of, you know, the land or the, the sun, the sun and the
• 57:30
  water and the whole thing. You know, there are a lot of
• 57:32
  advantages that some people, if you moved education back to the
• 57:36
  50, you'll have some that won't do well, but you'll have but it
• 57:39
  they'll actually be forced to do better because it'll be a pretty
• 57:42
  bad situation. But if you think about it, yeah,
• 57:45
  you'll have some of these states.
• 57:47
  I'll bet you'd have 3035 states. It'll be much better.
• 57:50
  And you know what, it'll cost less than half what it is in in
• 57:53
  Washington. And these people don't care
• 57:56
  about the students in these, you know, far away states.
• 57:59
  And it will be. It'll be unbelievable.
• 58:01
  Yeah, I think you're making a good point in and that if the
• 58:05
  states have to have to, if each individual, if each state has to
• 58:08
  compete against other states, then then people will naturally
• 58:11
  move to to states where it's better.
• 58:14
  Well, like California, you know, as we said, it's, it's a badly
• 58:17
  run state. I could go through.
• 58:19
  I got so many friends that are in those states, even if they're
• 58:22
  Democrats. I hate to mention certain
• 58:24
  states, but Illinois is badly run with Pritzker.
• 58:26
  He's a he's a real loser. But but you know, some of these
• 58:30
  places are just badly run, but you know, it's almost going to
• 58:34
  force them to run better and they won't do a good initially,
• 58:37
  but but can you're not going to do worse than you're doing right
• 58:40
  now. And I would say that the cost,
• 58:42
  you would cut your cost by 50 or 60% and you'd have a little
• 58:47
  monitor, you know, you want to make sure they're teaching
• 58:49
  English as an example, you know, give us a little English, Right?
• 58:52
  Sure, right. No, but I mean, I mean, I mean
• 58:54
  some of these governors are like are doing so badly.
• 58:57
  I mean they got so many people moving out of their state.
• 59:00
  They should. They should get U-Haul Salesman
• 59:02
  of the Year award because they're driving so much.
• 59:05
  You will. It's actually amazing.
• 59:06
  People, people move it. Out.
• 59:07
  Isn't it amazing to you as a businessman that they can even
• 59:11
  survive? Like Illinois, so many people
• 59:13
  are leaving and you wonder, how do they survive?
• 59:16
  I mean, how do they survive? I saw where you left California
• 59:20
  and you moved to Texas. Texas does a great job.
• 59:24
  But you know, I mean, I just wonder how do these states
• 59:27
  survive when big businesses, a big oil company just left
• 59:31
  California's, you know, and they moved to Texas.
• 59:33
  How do these big states survive when they lose so many
• 59:37
  businesses and their taxes are already really high?
• 59:40
  You know, the taxes are among the highest taxes.
• 59:43
  You almost wonder how do they, how do they continue on?
• 59:46
  And in many cases, the governor's don't do a good job
• 59:49
  and they're crime ridden places. You wonder how do they continue
• 59:52
  to just go on? It's, it's not, it's not a good
• 59:55
  situation. I mean, I think the thing that's
• 59:58
  the only thing that's going to force some of these states to
• 1:00:00
  change is if they risk bankruptcy and they're not
• 1:00:02
  getting bailed out by the federal government.
• 1:00:04
  Right. Well, that's the only thing
• 1:00:05
  that's going to. Get them changed.
• 1:00:07
  You remember the area in California where they had that,
• 1:00:09
  where I guess somebody had sticky fingers and they stole a
• 1:00:13
  lot of money and they went into a form of chapter and it was
• 1:00:18
  very nasty for a period of time, but now it's probably the most
• 1:00:21
  popular place in all of California.
• 1:00:23
  So so, you know, you at some point something like that may
• 1:00:26
  have to happen. But the problem is you can't
• 1:00:30
  penalize people that loan money to the state when you have
• 1:00:33
  incompetent people like a Pritzker.
• 1:00:35
  Look, the family didn't want him in the family business.
• 1:00:38
  And then he ends up being governor of Illinois.
• 1:00:40
  So, you know, what is he going to be?
• 1:00:42
  Is he going to be a great governor?
• 1:00:43
  And you know, you have people. I could name everyone of them.
• 1:00:46
  I got to know everyone of these. And some are very good and some
• 1:00:49
  are just horrible. Well, I think that I mean that
• 1:00:51
  larger point here too, you know, as you're saying, like the, you
• 1:00:54
  know, a lot of people are concerned about the economy, a
• 1:00:55
  lot of people are concerned about inflation and inflation is
• 1:00:58
  effectively a tax on people that, that, that save money.
• 1:01:01
  And, and, and for people that are working day-to-day, it's,
• 1:01:04
  it's, it's just, it's just a form of taxation.
• 1:01:07
  And, and if we can solve the government's spending problem,
• 1:01:10
  we'll solve the inflation problem, which means people will
• 1:01:13
  have a better standard of living.
• 1:01:14
  And that's that's a really big deal.
• 1:01:15
  The people that got hurt worse are the people that did it the
• 1:01:19
  way they were taught to do it all through, you know, their
• 1:01:22
  younger life and their their young life and their whole life.
• 1:01:25
  The people that saved money and then they got no interest on
• 1:01:29
  their money and inflation destroyed them.
• 1:01:32
  And frankly, they were almost better off if they didn't do
• 1:01:34
  anything like that. I mean, those people have been
• 1:01:36
  absolutely decimated. And we're going to bring those
• 1:01:39
  people back and help those people.
• 1:01:40
  We've got to get the prices down.
• 1:01:42
  You know, when I look at bacon costing 5, four or five times
• 1:01:46
  more than it did a few years ago, when when you look at some
• 1:01:49
  of the food products and groceries those people go, they
• 1:01:51
  can't believe it. They used to be able to buy a
• 1:01:54
  whole cart. And today, you know, a lot of
• 1:01:56
  people just don't have the money.
• 1:01:58
  They go in and they can't buy anything they they look at.
• 1:02:01
  Yeah. It's sticker.
• 1:02:02
  Shock. They call it sticker shock,
• 1:02:04
  right? I, I think it really just comes,
• 1:02:06
  like I said, things just comes down to, to, to really, I guess
• 1:02:08
  two really two things, which is, is that if, if you solve a
• 1:02:11
  government overspending, you solve inflation, which improves
• 1:02:14
  living standards of the, of the average person.
• 1:02:17
  And then, and then if, if you deregulate like have sensible
• 1:02:20
  regulations. So because a lot of the
• 1:02:23
  regulations are nonsensical and and cause the cost to be extreme
• 1:02:27
  for no reason. And but unless you've got
• 1:02:30
  effective deregulation like Reagan did, did a great job on
• 1:02:33
  deregulation in the 80s, but it's been 40 years since we
• 1:02:36
  hadn't had anyone. You really, I mean, during your
• 1:02:39
  administration, we made some progress, but I think the
• 1:02:42
  opportunity to make, I think radical progress with sensible
• 1:02:45
  regulation and and and and if well, you know, on we those two
• 1:02:50
  things, yeah, those are the big deal.
• 1:02:51
  We. Set a record, we said.
• 1:02:54
  We did more deregulation and more restrictions on all of the
• 1:02:59
  different businesses than any other president.
• 1:03:01
  I remember I had the rule for everyone we put in you have to
• 1:03:04
  get rid of at 10 or 12. And we we did radical cuts on
• 1:03:09
  all of that. And a lot of that's being put
• 1:03:11
  back by this administration. And we did radical cuts and
• 1:03:14
  things that weren't necessary, but we were, we were all set.
• 1:03:17
  You know, we had the best economy ever maybe in the world.
• 1:03:21
  And then what happened is Kovac came in and we had a focus on
• 1:03:24
  that and nobody knew what it was.
• 1:03:26
  And I always say I got good marks on economy, good marks on
• 1:03:29
  military. We knocked out ISIS.
• 1:03:30
  We did so many different things. We rebuilt.
• 1:03:33
  But you know, I never got the credit that we really deserved
• 1:03:37
  on what we did with with covered.
• 1:03:38
  We never got the credit. But we were, if had that not
• 1:03:42
  happened, a gift from China, from Wuhan, came in from Wuhan,
• 1:03:47
  the Wuhan labs and I always said it and it turned out to be
• 1:03:51
  right. But had that not, had that not
• 1:03:53
  happened, we were set to start reducing debt.
• 1:03:57
  We're going to reduce taxes further.
• 1:03:58
  I gave the largest tax cuts and we were going to reduce taxes
• 1:04:01
  still further for middle income people, not only businesses, but
• 1:04:05
  we did it for businesses because they're the ones that that's why
• 1:04:07
  we had the great job numbers. But we were set to really start
• 1:04:11
  reducing debt. And you know, we, we're sitting
• 1:04:14
  on the, the biggest pile of liquid gold anywhere in the
• 1:04:18
  world, bigger than Saudi Arabia, bigger than Russia.
• 1:04:21
  And we were going to drill and we were going to make so much
• 1:04:23
  money. We wouldn't supply Europe with
• 1:04:25
  oil. I had stopped the Russian
• 1:04:27
  pipeline and we were going to supply them with oil and gas.
• 1:04:30
  We were going to, we were going to make a fortune.
• 1:04:32
  And then the COVID came in and we had a, we really had to
• 1:04:37
  divert. Then what happened is when they
• 1:04:39
  came in, you know, we, we kept a lot of businesses alive.
• 1:04:42
  If I didn't do what we did, we would had a 1929 type
• 1:04:45
  depression. But the problem is when Biden
• 1:04:47
  came in, he got trillions of dollars and just started
• 1:04:51
  spending it stupidly. You didn't need it anymore.
• 1:04:53
  You know, we got over that bad period where it was everybody
• 1:04:56
  was dying and you know, it was, it was just not a good period.
• 1:05:00
  Interestingly, you know, during his administration, many more
• 1:05:05
  people died during his administration of COVID than
• 1:05:08
  during my administration. And we really got the brunt of
• 1:05:11
  it. But people don't realize more
• 1:05:13
  people died during his administration than ours.
• 1:05:16
  But it diverted us from doing what I wanted to do.
• 1:05:20
  But we had the greatest for, you know, almost three years.
• 1:05:23
  We had the great, and you know that probably better than
• 1:05:25
  anybody. So many of your friends said to
• 1:05:27
  me, the best years we've ever had in business were during the
• 1:05:31
  Trump years. And and also said that African
• 1:05:35
  American, Hispanic American were so incredible.
• 1:05:40
  They were having the best Asian American women, men, young
• 1:05:43
  people without a diploma, young people that graduated from the
• 1:05:47
  best colleges from from MIT, from the Wharton School, from
• 1:05:51
  all of the great colleges, Harvard.
• 1:05:53
  They were doing better and people without a diploma were
• 1:05:56
  doing better and everybody was was happy.
• 1:05:59
  And then COVID came and we had the problem is they spent
• 1:06:02
  trillions and trillions of dollars they wasted.
• 1:06:05
  They shouldn't have taken any money and we wouldn't be having
• 1:06:08
  inflation right now, which is killing our country.
• 1:06:11
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean, I should probably say
• 1:06:14
  something about like, you know, maybe my views on, you know,
• 1:06:17
  climate change and oil and gas, because I think I'm probably
• 1:06:22
  different from what most people would assume.
• 1:06:25
  Because my, my views are actually pretty, I think
• 1:06:28
  moderate in this regard, which is that I, I don't think we
• 1:06:31
  should vilify the oil and gas industry and the people that
• 1:06:34
  have worked very hard in those industries to provide the
• 1:06:36
  necessary energy to, to support the economy.
• 1:06:39
  And, and if we were to stop using oil and gas right now, we
• 1:06:43
  would all be starving and the economy would collapse.
• 1:06:46
  So it's, you know, I don't think it's right to sort of vilify the
• 1:06:49
  oil and gas industry. And, and I, and I, you know, the
• 1:06:53
  world, the world has a certain demand for oil and gas.
• 1:06:56
  And it's probably better if the United States provides that
• 1:06:58
  than, than, than some other countries.
• 1:07:01
  And, and it would, it would help with prosperity in the US.
• 1:07:04
  And at the same time, obviously my view is, is like we do over
• 1:07:08
  time want to move to a sustainable energy economy
• 1:07:11
  because eventually you do run out of, I mean, if you run out
• 1:07:15
  of oil and gas, it's not therefore it's not infinite.
• 1:07:18
  And there is there is some risk. I think it's not the risk is not
• 1:07:22
  as as high as you know, a lot of people say it is with respect to
• 1:07:26
  global warming. But I think if you, if you just
• 1:07:29
  keep increasing the cost of a million in the atmosphere long
• 1:07:32
  enough, eventually it actually simply gets uncomfortable to to
• 1:07:36
  breathe. People don't realize this.
• 1:07:37
  If the, if the, if you go to, if you go past 1000 plus per
• 1:07:40
  million of, of CO2, you start getting headaches and nausea.
• 1:07:45
  And so we're, we're, we're now in the sort of 400 range.
• 1:07:48
  We're adding, I think about roughly 2 plus per million per
• 1:07:52
  year. So I mean, still gives us.
• 1:07:54
  So what it means is like we still have quite a bit of time,
• 1:07:58
  but but so there's not like we don't need to to rush and and we
• 1:08:01
  don't need to like, you know, stop farmers from farming or,
• 1:08:05
  you know, prevent people from having steaks or right, basic
• 1:08:09
  stuff like that, Like like you leave the farmers alone.
• 1:08:11
  I agree. How crazy is that?
• 1:08:13
  Where I mean, you have farmers that are not allowed to farm
• 1:08:16
  anymore and have to get rid of their cattle and the whole the
• 1:08:19
  whole world is a little crazy, but it's largely taken its lead
• 1:08:23
  from us. I just say, though, I've heard
• 1:08:26
  in terms of the fossil fuel, because even to create your
• 1:08:31
  electric car and create the electricity needed for the
• 1:08:34
  electric car, you know, fossil fuel is what really creates that
• 1:08:38
  at the generating plants. And, you know, so you sort of
• 1:08:41
  can't get away from it at this moment.
• 1:08:43
  I mean, someday you might be able to.
• 1:08:45
  But I do hear we have anywhere from 100 to 500 years left.
• 1:08:48
  You know, much of it hasn't even been found yet.
• 1:08:50
  Yeah, but there are tremendous like Anwar.
• 1:08:53
  I got Anwar in Alaska approved. Ronald Reagan couldn't do it.
• 1:08:56
  Nobody could do it. Everybody tried.
• 1:08:58
  Nobody could do it. I got it approved.
• 1:09:00
  The 1st the thing that Biden did was unimprove it to get rid of
• 1:09:05
  it. He ended it.
• 1:09:07
  His his secretary went in and she ended it.
• 1:09:11
  And what a what a disgrace. That's Anwar that's bigger or
• 1:09:15
  they, they think it could be bigger than Saudi Arabia in
• 1:09:17
  Alaska, could be bigger than Saudi Arabia.
• 1:09:20
  But they went in and they terminated it.
• 1:09:22
  And I'll get it going very quickly because not only is it
• 1:09:25
  big for Alaska, I mean, you talk about economic development that
• 1:09:29
  for the United States. I mean that that is they say
• 1:09:31
  bigger than Saudi Arabia or the same size and pure really good
• 1:09:37
  stuff. And you know, they ended.
• 1:09:39
  So I think we have, you know, perhaps hundreds of years left.
• 1:09:42
  Nobody really knows, but during that.
• 1:09:45
  During. That time will come around that.
• 1:09:47
  Will be very good. Yeah.
• 1:09:49
  Well, I mean, my estimate would be, you know, a little more
• 1:09:53
  aggressive than that, but it's not the sort of like we're all
• 1:09:55
  going to die in five years stuff that that's obviously BS.
• 1:09:59
  But I mean, my view is like if you just look at sort of the
• 1:10:02
  posture million that increments every year, you know, you get
• 1:10:06
  sort of two or three posture million every year of CO2.
• 1:10:10
  I mean, my, I think some of that it's problematic if it
• 1:10:13
  accelerates, if you start going from two or three to say five.
• 1:10:17
  And then there may be some situations where you get to just
• 1:10:22
  a step change increase in the CO2.
• 1:10:25
  And, and I think we don't want to get too close to 1000 PPM
• 1:10:30
  because like that's, that's actually makes it uncomfortable
• 1:10:33
  to, to, to, to breathe, like just existing in, in 1000 PPM
• 1:10:37
  CO2 is, is uncountable. That's like, that's like a,
• 1:10:40
  that's considered like an industrial hazard, right?
• 1:10:42
  Just so, so it's, you know, that's, that's actually start
• 1:10:47
  getting headaches and stuff. So it's even without global
• 1:10:49
  warming, It's not, it's not comfortable.
• 1:10:51
  So you don't want to get too close to that.
• 1:10:53
  But I mean, I think we've got, I think we want to just move over
• 1:10:56
  like, and if, if I don't know, 50 to 100 years from now we're,
• 1:11:01
  we're, I don't know, mostly sustainable, I think that'll
• 1:11:05
  probably be OK. So it's, it's, it's not like
• 1:11:08
  the, the house is on, on fire immediately, but it, I think it
• 1:11:11
  is something we, we need to, to move towards and on, you know,
• 1:11:16
  on balance, it's probably better to move there faster than
• 1:11:20
  slower. But, but like I said, without
• 1:11:22
  vilifying the oil and gas industry and, and, and without
• 1:11:26
  causing hardship in the short term, I think this can be done
• 1:11:30
  with, without, you know, people can still have, you know, a
• 1:11:34
  stake and they can still drive gasoline in cars.
• 1:11:38
  And this, you know, it's, it's, it's OK.
• 1:11:39
  It's like, it's not. I don't think we should vilify
• 1:11:42
  people, but I think we should just just generally lean in the
• 1:11:44
  direction of, of sustainability. And I actually think solar is
• 1:11:50
  going to be a majority of, of Earth's energy generation in the
• 1:11:54
  future. And it's certainly trending that
• 1:11:56
  way. And, and so you get the solar
• 1:11:58
  power mind that with, with, with batteries.
• 1:12:01
  So because obviously the sun doesn't shine at night and, and
• 1:12:04
  then you use that to charge the electric cars and you have a
• 1:12:07
  long term sustainable solution. And you know, that's, that's
• 1:12:09
  what Tesla's trying to move things towards.
• 1:12:11
  And I think we've made a lot progress, progress in that
• 1:12:13
  regard. But when you look at our cars,
• 1:12:16
  we like, we don't believe that environmentalism, that caring
• 1:12:19
  about the environment should, should mean that you have to
• 1:12:20
  suffer. So we make sure that our cars
• 1:12:22
  are, are beautiful. If they drive well, if they're
• 1:12:24
  fast, they're, you know, sexy. I mean, they're, they're,
• 1:12:27
  they're cool. In fact, literally, I mean, the
• 1:12:29
  sexy joke Model S, Model 3 Model X&Y spells out sexy is probably
• 1:12:32
  the most expensive joke out there.
• 1:12:36
  But I, you know, I just, I don't know, I like cheesy humor, you
• 1:12:38
  know, so, and, but I'm, I'm, I'm a big fan of like, let's have an
• 1:12:43
  inspiring future and let's, let's work towards, you know, a
• 1:12:47
  better future And, and, and we can do so without demonizing.
• 1:12:50
  Right. I'm, I'm OK.
• 1:12:52
  You know, it's very interesting. You use the word global warming
• 1:12:55
  and today they use the word climate change because, you
• 1:12:57
  know, you have some places that go up and stuff.
• 1:13:00
  So they were getting themselves in a little trouble with the
• 1:13:02
  word global warming because not every place is warming.
• 1:13:05
  Some places are going the opposite direction.
• 1:13:07
  But, you know, I'm, I'm sort of waiting for you to come up with
• 1:13:10
  solar panels on the roofs of your cars and on the trunks of
• 1:13:13
  the cars. And it just seems like something
• 1:13:16
  that at some point you will come up with.
• 1:13:18
  I'm sure you'll be the first. But it would seem that a solar
• 1:13:21
  panel on on the roofs, you know, on flat surfaces, on certain
• 1:13:24
  surfaces might be good. Yeah.
• 1:13:26
  At least in certain areas of the country.
• 1:13:28
  We have the OR the world where you have the sun.
• 1:13:30
  But I would, I would think, and I have no idea because that's
• 1:13:34
  not my world, but I would think that this would be something
• 1:13:37
  that would be interesting. But, you know, the one thing
• 1:13:40
  that I don't understand is that people talk about global warming
• 1:13:43
  or they talk about climate change, but they never talk
• 1:13:46
  about nuclear warming. And for me, that's an immediate
• 1:13:50
  problem because you have, as I said, five countries.
• 1:13:53
  We have major nuclear and, and you know, probably some others
• 1:13:57
  are getting there and that's very dangerous.
• 1:13:59
  That's where you need a strong American president because you
• 1:14:01
  just you don't want to have this proliferation, but you have five
• 1:14:06
  countries and getting more. You know, China is much less
• 1:14:09
  than us right now, but they're, they're going to catch us sooner
• 1:14:12
  than people think. They're way lower.
• 1:14:14
  Russia and us are #1 and we were sort of tied and China's far
• 1:14:19
  behind. But they're developing at a
• 1:14:21
  level that, you know, you're not surprised to hear very fast.
• 1:14:24
  It's going to, they'll end up catching up, maybe even passing.
• 1:14:28
  But to me, the biggest problem is not climate change.
• 1:14:32
  It's not and, and and everything's, you know, a
• 1:14:35
  problem, but it's degrees. To me.
• 1:14:36
  The big problem is the nuclear power.
• 1:14:38
  The power of nuclear is so great.
• 1:14:42
  And when I talk about I'll prevent world, yeah, I'll
• 1:14:44
  prevent World War three. I will.
• 1:14:47
  But. But the truth is that you have
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  to, because this is no longer army tanks going back and forth
• 1:14:52
  and shooting at each other. This is, yeah, a level of
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  destruction and power that nobody's ever seen before.
• 1:14:59
  Yeah. And actually there's there's the
• 1:15:01
  bad side of nuclear, which is a nuclear war, very bad side.
• 1:15:03
  But there's, there's also, I think, nuclear electricity.
• 1:15:08
  Generation, you're right. And it's actually, you know,
• 1:15:11
  people have this fear of nuclear, nuclear electricity
• 1:15:14
  generation, but it, but it's actually one of the safest forms
• 1:15:18
  of electricity generation. It's, it's just a huge
• 1:15:20
  misunderstanding. And if you look at the injuries
• 1:15:24
  and desks, you know, caused by say, I mean, I'm not going to
• 1:15:27
  try to pick on coal mining, but just any kind of mining
• 1:15:29
  operation. And this was the number of
• 1:15:33
  injuries and desks per year. You compare that to nuclear,
• 1:15:36
  Nuclear is actually way better. So it's, it's underrated as a,
• 1:15:40
  as an electricity source. And I think it's, it's something
• 1:15:42
  that's worth reconsidering, but there's so much regulation that
• 1:15:45
  people can't get it done so that, you know.
• 1:15:48
  Maybe they'll have to change the name.
• 1:15:50
  The name is just, it's a rough name.
• 1:15:51
  There are some areas like like when you see what happened.
• 1:15:54
  In good bad. Branding.
• 1:15:55
  We have to rebrand it. We'll have to give it a good
• 1:15:57
  name. We'll name it after you or
• 1:15:59
  something, you know? No, hey, it has a branding
• 1:16:03
  problem. You know when you see what
• 1:16:04
  happened. It does have a branding problem.
• 1:16:06
  When you see what happened in Japan where they say you won't
• 1:16:09
  be able to go in the land for about 3000 years, did you ever
• 1:16:12
  see that? And in Russia, where they had
• 1:16:14
  the problem, where they, you know, the a lot of bad things
• 1:16:17
  happened and they have a problem.
• 1:16:19
  And they say that in 2000 years people will start to occupy the
• 1:16:23
  land again. You know, you realize it's
• 1:16:25
  pretty bad, but but there's, you're right about it.
• 1:16:27
  It's amazing. It's actually not that bad.
• 1:16:30
  So like after Fukushima happened in Japan, like people were
• 1:16:33
  asking me in California, you know, are we worried about like
• 1:16:36
  a nuclear cloud coming from Japan?
• 1:16:37
  I'm like, no, that's crazy. It's actually, it's not even
• 1:16:40
  dangerous in Fukushima. I actually flew there and, and,
• 1:16:43
  and ate locally grown vegetables on TV to prove it.
• 1:16:46
  And I donated a solar water treatment.
• 1:16:50
  Yeah, a solar powered system for a water treatment plant and.
• 1:16:53
  Yeah, but you haven't been daily so well lately and I'm worried
• 1:16:56
  about it. No, no.
• 1:16:57
  But I mean, I'm only getting I'm.
• 1:16:58
  Fine, you know, it's, it's like, you know, Hiroshima and Nagasaki
• 1:17:03
  were bombed, but now they're, they're like full cities again.
• 1:17:06
  So it's really not something that, you know, so it's not,
• 1:17:11
  it's not as scary as people think, basically.
• 1:17:12
  But let's see. I mean, I mean, are there's some
• 1:17:15
  other topics we should touch on? Oh, you know, like a law fair.
• 1:17:19
  I think you know well we need to be concerned about.
• 1:17:21
  What they've done to this country.
• 1:17:23
  Obviously, yeah. Yeah, well, we just won the big
• 1:17:25
  case in Florida. This was a Biden administration
• 1:17:29
  did something that's never been done in this country.
• 1:17:32
  And let's go after their political opponent, me with this
• 1:17:35
  nonsense and just nonsense. And the big case in Florida, we
• 1:17:39
  won. But they've always they always
• 1:17:41
  pick a judge and a juror and they used local DA's.
• 1:17:44
  They use the local attorney general's like Fani, you know,
• 1:17:49
  Fani spelled FA and I Fani and it's all a big hoax and it's all
• 1:17:54
  run from there. Like in Manhattan, the one of
• 1:17:58
  the top people from the Justice Department went in, ran
• 1:18:00
  Manhattan, ran the state. The Letitia James Deal was run
• 1:18:04
  by a person from the Department of Justice Biden.
• 1:18:07
  They've never done this before. And they set up a very bad
• 1:18:11
  precedent. It's it's called lawfare
• 1:18:14
  warfare. It's, it's a terrible thing and
• 1:18:17
  never happened in our country. It does happen in banana
• 1:18:20
  republics and 3rd world countries, but it's never
• 1:18:23
  happened. And the incredible thing is it
• 1:18:25
  actually drove my numbers up because people see, you know,
• 1:18:28
  fortunately I have a platform like you or, you know, in all
• 1:18:32
  fairness, like a conversation like this where I can talk about
• 1:18:35
  it if people understand. I mean, you, you fight for
• 1:18:38
  election integrity and you end up getting indicted because
• 1:18:42
  you're fighting for election integrity.
• 1:18:44
  And when the day comes that you can't fight for election
• 1:18:46
  integrity, you don't have a country anymore.
• 1:18:48
  So what happens? What happens is they went after
• 1:18:51
  their political opponent, me. Now Biden's have, you know,
• 1:18:55
  close to vegetable stage, in my opinion.
• 1:18:57
  OK, I looked at him today on the beach and I said, why would
• 1:19:01
  anybody allow him? The guy could barely walk.
• 1:19:04
  Why would anybody allow him? He have a political adviser that
• 1:19:08
  thinks this looks good. You know, he thinks this looks
• 1:19:11
  good because it looks so bad. And it's, it's ridiculous.
• 1:19:15
  I mean, and he's been doing that for a long time.
• 1:19:18
  You know, he can't lift the chair.
• 1:19:19
  The chair weighs about 3 oz. It's meant for children and old
• 1:19:22
  people to lift, and he can't lift it.
• 1:19:25
  The whole thing is. Crazy.
• 1:19:27
  It's clearly not. I mean, it's clearly like we
• 1:19:28
  just don't have a president. You don't have a president and
• 1:19:31
  she's going to be worse than him because he is a San Francisco
• 1:19:35
  liberal who destroyed San Francisco and then as the
• 1:19:39
  attorney general, she destroyed California.
• 1:19:41
  You talk about location and we're talking about the sun and
• 1:19:44
  the water and all. There's nothing better than
• 1:19:47
  California. She has destroyed that.
• 1:19:49
  She was the original DA. She was the original in San
• 1:19:52
  Francisco. She was the original attorney
• 1:19:54
  general in California. What she has done to California
• 1:19:57
  is, well, you know better than I do.
• 1:19:59
  You just left California for a lot of those reasons.
• 1:20:03
  And what he's done with, with crime, with, with cashless bail.
• 1:20:08
  Will you kill somebody? I mean, we have states there you
• 1:20:11
  kill somebody and they let you out right away.
• 1:20:12
  I mean, you don't have to even put up.
• 1:20:14
  And then they never find the people unless they kill again.
• 1:20:16
  And then they let him out again. Our country is becoming a very
• 1:20:20
  dangerous place. And she is a radical left San
• 1:20:24
  Francisco liberal. And now she's trying to protect.
• 1:20:27
  Now she's looking like she's she wants to be more Trump than
• 1:20:31
  Trump, if that's possible. I don't think it's possible, but
• 1:20:34
  he wants to be more Trump than. Trump.
• 1:20:35
  Yeah. I want a wall.
• 1:20:37
  I want. You know, he wants to release
• 1:20:39
  all the prisoners that are in detention and some of these guys
• 1:20:42
  are really bad, right? That just came out today.
• 1:20:45
  She wants she doesn't want to build the wall, even though the
• 1:20:47
  walls work walls and wheels, you know, in your business,
• 1:20:50
  everything you do is obsolete almost or not the tunnels, but
• 1:20:53
  everything is obsolete. Even your rocket ships, they're
• 1:20:56
  like a month later, they're obsolete.
• 1:20:58
  You find a better way to the only thing that's not obsolete
• 1:21:01
  is a wall and a wheel and the wall.
• 1:21:04
  You know, I built hundreds of miles of wall and that's why we
• 1:21:07
  had such good numbers. I was going to add 200 miles.
• 1:21:11
  We bought it. We could have flipped it,
• 1:21:12
  flipped it up in three weeks and they sold it for $0.05 on the
• 1:21:16
  dollar. That meant I said, wow, that
• 1:21:19
  means that they actually do want to have open borders.
• 1:21:21
  She wants to have open borders and now she's going like she's
• 1:21:25
  tough on the on the border. It's such a lie.
• 1:21:28
  Yeah, this is simply not true. This is something.
• 1:21:29
  Not everybody knows it's not true.
• 1:21:31
  It's a disgrace that she yeah, saying.
• 1:21:33
  No, I mean, obviously what's happening sort of overnight is
• 1:21:37
  they're they're rewriting history and and making Kamala
• 1:21:41
  sound like a moderate when in fact she is far left, like far,
• 1:21:45
  far. Left worse than Bernie Sanders,
• 1:21:46
  she is considered more liberal by far than Bernie Sanders.
• 1:21:51
  She's a radical left lunatic. And if she's going to be our
• 1:21:54
  president, very quickly, you're not going to have a country
• 1:21:57
  anymore. And she'll go back to all of the
• 1:21:59
  things that she believes in. She believes in defunding the
• 1:22:02
  police. She believes no fracking 0 Now
• 1:22:06
  all of a sudden she's saying no, I, I will, I really want to see
• 1:22:10
  fracking the day the if they got in the day she got in, she'll
• 1:22:14
  end fracking. And by the way, if people didn't
• 1:22:17
  think that the lunatics that what that really believe in that
• 1:22:21
  they won't vote for her, you know, like like the Palestinians
• 1:22:25
  and Israel, She is so anti Israel and she's bad for both.
• 1:22:30
  Biden actually just something that was impossible.
• 1:22:33
  Both sides hate him. You know, both sides.
• 1:22:36
  That was a hard thing to do, unification.
• 1:22:38
  Yeah, no, no, I mean, I mean, the, you know, Netanyahu came to
• 1:22:42
  give a talk to a joint Senate and House sitting and I was
• 1:22:47
  there and, and, and Kamala stood him up.
• 1:22:50
  You know what does that say? I think.
• 1:22:52
  It's highly disrespectful. And I say if you're a Jewish
• 1:22:55
  person or if you believe in Israel, if you're a, a person
• 1:22:59
  that you know is a very pro Israel, if you vote for her,
• 1:23:03
  it's worse than Biden and Biden was bad.
• 1:23:06
  But if you vote for her, you ought to have your head
• 1:23:08
  examined. And you see tonight, I mean, as
• 1:23:10
  we're doing this, I'm seeing reports coming that they expect
• 1:23:13
  an attack tonight or tomorrow from hundreds and maybe
• 1:23:16
  thousands of rockets. You know, their Iron Dome, as
• 1:23:20
  they call it, as we all call it. But their shield that they
• 1:23:23
  built, that can be swamped. We'll use the term that's
• 1:23:27
  appropriate, swamped. But they swamp it by shooting
• 1:23:30
  enough missiles. You know this better than
• 1:23:32
  anybody, by shooting enough missiles, they can't defend
• 1:23:35
  themselves, you know, they just obliterate the whole place.
• 1:23:38
  And that's what some people think they're looking to do.
• 1:23:42
  And we have no leadership. There's no respect for the
• 1:23:45
  United States of America with these people.
• 1:23:47
  And I'm telling you, you'll be worse than him because he's a
• 1:23:50
  believer in being radical left and he wasn't.
• 1:23:53
  I, I think you're right. I mean, you really, it's
• 1:23:55
  important for the poor, the public that may be listening to
• 1:23:58
  this to say to look at Kamala's track record, you know, before
• 1:24:02
  the last like month and say, is that a track record you agree
• 1:24:06
  with? And I think if you're an
• 1:24:08
  independent moderate, you definitely would not agree with
• 1:24:11
  it because it is her behavior has been far left.
• 1:24:15
  And we're seeing just an overnight propaganda attempt to
• 1:24:17
  rewrite history and make it sound like Kamala is moderate
• 1:24:20
  when she in fact is not moderate.
• 1:24:22
  Well, her, her running mate approved, signed into
• 1:24:26
  legislation tampons in boys bathrooms.
• 1:24:29
  OK, now that's all I have to hear.
• 1:24:32
  Tampons in boys bathrooms. And that means she believes in
• 1:24:35
  that too. I mean, he, he picked this guy
• 1:24:39
  because he was the closest to her.
• 1:24:41
  A lot of people thought she'd pick sort of the opposite, but
• 1:24:44
  she picked an anti Israel radical left person.
• 1:24:48
  But she is far worse, they say, than Bernie Sanders.
• 1:24:51
  If we have her as a president, if we have a demo at this
• 1:24:55
  moment, does the president? I don't think our country can
• 1:24:58
  survive. I think it's, I think it's a
• 1:25:00
  massive, I think, I think we're in massive trouble, frankly,
• 1:25:04
  with, with a Kamala administration.
• 1:25:06
  And that's my honest opinion. And, and I think I think really
• 1:25:11
  it's essential that that you win for the good of the country for
• 1:25:15
  this election. And I mean, that's understating
• 1:25:17
  my opinion. Now, you know, you may have seen
• 1:25:22
  this, but I got a letter from the, the, the EU Commission like
• 1:25:26
  saying, you know, to not have disinformation on the like
• 1:25:31
  during this discussion that we're having.
• 1:25:32
  Like, and you know, there's like there's, there's a lot of
• 1:25:35
  attempts to do censorship and to force censorship even on
• 1:25:39
  Americans from other countries. And you know, what do you think
• 1:25:43
  about that? Well, I know the European Union
• 1:25:46
  very well. They take great advantage of the
• 1:25:49
  United States in trade, as you know, we through a different
• 1:25:53
  form, NATO, we protect them. And yet if you build a car in
• 1:25:59
  the United States, you can't sell it in Europe.
• 1:26:01
  You just can't sell it. It's, it's impossible.
• 1:26:03
  The same thing with our farmers. Our farmers find it very
• 1:26:06
  difficult to do business. You know, we have a deficit with
• 1:26:09
  them of $250 billion, which people don't know.
• 1:26:12
  It sounds so nice, the European Union, but let me tell you,
• 1:26:15
  they're they're not as tough as China, but they're bad.
• 1:26:19
  And I let them know it and that's probably why they
• 1:26:22
  notified you. No, they don't treat our country
• 1:26:24
  well. We defend them, you know, with
• 1:26:28
  Ukraine. So we're in for 250 billion and
• 1:26:31
  they're in for about 71 billion and they have the same size.
• 1:26:34
  This if you add up the European nations that you know for terms
• 1:26:38
  of an economy, it's about the same size when you say as us and
• 1:26:41
  they're in and and they're in much greater risk.
• 1:26:45
  They they're right there. We have an ocean separating us
• 1:26:49
  from, in this case, the enemy would be Russia, used to be for
• 1:26:52
  the Soviet Union. But let's assume they're close
• 1:26:55
  enough. And what happens is they're in
• 1:26:58
  for 70 something million, I think, I think even less than
• 1:27:02
  that billion. And we're in for about 250
• 1:27:06
  billion. And it could be a lot higher
• 1:27:08
  than that. And I say, why aren't you going
• 1:27:10
  to equalize? Why aren't they paying what
• 1:27:12
  we're paying? And they're in much more, you
• 1:27:14
  know, they're, it's much more important for them because of
• 1:27:17
  the fact that, you know, they're right near there.
• 1:27:19
  I mean, they're all sort of in that location.
• 1:27:21
  We're not, but they should. They should.
• 1:27:23
  And I did it with NATO. We were, there were only seven
• 1:27:27
  countries that were paid up in NATO out of 28 at the time.
• 1:27:31
  And the United States was subsidizing, the United States
• 1:27:34
  was subsidizing NATO, tremendously subsidizing NATO.
• 1:27:38
  And I said, I went in and I said you got to pay up.
• 1:27:41
  If you don't pay up, I'm not going to defend you any longer.
• 1:27:43
  I took a lot of heat. But you know what happened?
• 1:27:45
  Billions and billions of dollars came flowing in and.
• 1:27:49
  Yeah, I think, I think a lot of the public isn't, isn't aware of
• 1:27:52
  the fact that the United States pays a disproportionate share of
• 1:27:55
  of the NATO expenses. And then we get taken advantage
• 1:27:58
  of on trade. So think about.
• 1:28:00
  Well, I mean, the point of NATO is defending Europe and it's,
• 1:28:03
  you know, it's like then, OK, well, why is the United States
• 1:28:07
  paying disproportionately more to defend Europe than Europe?
• 1:28:11
  That doesn't make sense, that's unfair, and that that is an
• 1:28:14
  appropriate thing to address. Well, you know, when you talk
• 1:28:17
  about cost cutting and savings and everything else, I mean,
• 1:28:20
  honestly, look, there's nobody that feels worse about the
• 1:28:23
  Ukraine situation than I do because I know it would have
• 1:28:26
  never happened. I know Zelensky, he was very
• 1:28:29
  honorable to me because when they went with the Russia hoax
• 1:28:32
  and they said I had a phone call with him, he said it was a
• 1:28:34
  perfect phone call. It was a great phone call.
• 1:28:36
  He could have grandstanded and, you know, said, oh, he, he was
• 1:28:39
  very threatening. He said no, it's a very nice
• 1:28:41
  phone call. I call them up to congratulate
• 1:28:44
  him on his win. And you end up getting impeached
• 1:28:47
  because these people are lunatics.
• 1:28:49
  You know, I was talking about the difference from the people
• 1:28:51
  within and the enemies on the outside.
• 1:28:53
  In many cases, the people from within are more dangerous for
• 1:28:57
  our country than the Russians, than the Chinas.
• 1:29:00
  If you have a smart president, you're not going to have a
• 1:29:02
  problem with them. You're going to make, you're
• 1:29:04
  going to do things. Yeah, now they've taken
• 1:29:06
  advantage of incredibly, but you're going to do things with
• 1:29:08
  the right person. Yeah.
• 1:29:10
  Well, I, I think, I think it's obvious that you're, you're,
• 1:29:12
  you're a believer in an advocate of, of free speech because
• 1:29:15
  during your first time as president, you were attacked
• 1:29:18
  relentlessly every day, often very unfairly with false, you
• 1:29:21
  know, with false attacks. And, and you didn't try to shut
• 1:29:25
  down the media. You didn't try to inhibit their
• 1:29:28
  freedom of speech. And I think that's his lot.
• 1:29:31
  Well, the good thing is that you and I have and some people, very
• 1:29:34
  few, we can get the word out. Although sometimes it's hard
• 1:29:39
  because they don't want to print it.
• 1:29:40
  You know, like, like we're having a great conversation
• 1:29:43
  right now. Kamala wouldn't have this
• 1:29:45
  conversation. She can't because she's not.
• 1:29:47
  Smart. You know, she's not a smart
• 1:29:48
  person by the way. She can't have this
• 1:29:50
  conversation. And Biden, we don't even have to
• 1:29:53
  talk about it. I mean, he couldn't have this
• 1:29:55
  conversation. He he would have given up on the
• 1:29:57
  first half of a question. He would have walked out.
• 1:29:59
  He would have said where am I? Where am I going?
• 1:30:02
  So anyway, but no, he wouldn't have this.
• 1:30:04
  That's true. Not a lot of people would have
• 1:30:06
  this conversation. But you know, we cover a lot of
• 1:30:08
  territory. But the beauty is that you, you
• 1:30:11
  know, we can have a conversation and yes, I'm able to get it out
• 1:30:14
  without because I get to. Be this is a really big point,
• 1:30:17
  you can actually have a conversation with you.
• 1:30:20
  Yeah, it's nice. Isn't it?
• 1:30:21
  And you can't have a conversation with Biden or
• 1:30:23
  Kamala. It's like not it's not possible.
• 1:30:25
  Yeah. So this is like talking to an
• 1:30:28
  MPC. So it's just.
• 1:30:29
  Impossible, but think of it, we need a man or person who's
• 1:30:33
  unbelievably sharp in order to stop all the nuclear danger and
• 1:30:38
  all the dangers that I'm talking about.
• 1:30:40
  And I got along with all these, you know I got along with Kim
• 1:30:42
  Jong Un. We had dinner we had everything
• 1:30:45
  and he he really liked me and I got along with him really well.
• 1:30:48
  By the way, he's he's the absolute boss over there.
• 1:30:51
  You know a lot of people said, oh, do you think he really let
• 1:30:53
  me tell you, I saw things that you don't want to know about.
• 1:30:57
  He is the boss, but we had a good relationship and and he
• 1:31:01
  doesn't like Biden. He considers him as a stupid
• 1:31:04
  man. He said he's a stupid man.
• 1:31:06
  Well, at least he speaks his mind.
• 1:31:08
  But you know, in this country, you're not sort of allowed to
• 1:31:10
  say it, but I guess you are. You should be allowed to say
• 1:31:12
  that's true. But we need really, we need
• 1:31:15
  smart people and we need people that have an ability to lead.
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  And she doesn't have that ability.
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  Can you imagine that, you know, Chairman XI very well.
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  Can you imagine her and him negotiating or even standing
• 1:31:28
  together? It is the whole concept is she
• 1:31:31
  is terrible. She's terrible, but he's getting
• 1:31:33
  a free ride. I saw a picture of her on Time
• 1:31:36
  magazine today. She looks like the most
• 1:31:38
  beautiful actress ever to live. I it was the drawing and
• 1:31:42
  actually she looked very much like a great first lady Melania.
• 1:31:47
  She didn't look, she didn't look like Camilla.
• 1:31:50
  That's right. But of course, she's a beautiful
• 1:31:51
  woman. So we'll leave it at that,
• 1:31:53
  right? Yeah.
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  Well, you know, maybe it's like, I think part of what, you know,
• 1:31:57
  people in America wanted, you know, people in America want to
• 1:31:59
  want to feel excited and inspired about the future.
• 1:32:02
  We want to feel like the future is going to be better than the
• 1:32:04
  past and that this that America is going to do things that are
• 1:32:06
  greater than we've done in the past, reach new heights that
• 1:32:10
  make you proud to be an American and and excited about the
• 1:32:14
  future. They want the American Dream.
• 1:32:17
  Back, you know, they want the American dream back more
• 1:32:20
  important than anything else. It's it's like you don't have
• 1:32:23
  that today because the people they've been just sucked.
• 1:32:26
  They see incompetent people running our you know, the the
• 1:32:29
  Biden thing is very people just found him to be incompetent.
• 1:32:33
  And when I debated him, I was like, is this for real?
• 1:32:37
  It was. Yeah, It was just absurd.
• 1:32:40
  But, you know, I think that there are like, you know, some,
• 1:32:43
  some, you know, grand projects that that that we could do.
• 1:32:46
  I mean, I think like, you know, we could, we could build a base
• 1:32:49
  on the moon. We could send American
• 1:32:50
  nationalists to Mars. We could both high speed
• 1:32:54
  connections that are, you know, more advanced than anything else
• 1:32:57
  in the world between our cities. So people have fast transport.
• 1:33:01
  You know, it's possible to solve traffic with tunnels.
• 1:33:05
  We've we've, you know, we already made great progress in
• 1:33:08
  Vegas doing that and, you know, and, and, and just do things
• 1:33:12
  that are exciting and inspiring to make the future feel like
• 1:33:14
  it's better than the. Past Well, I saw what you did in
• 1:33:16
  Vegas and I'll tell you, it was amazing.
• 1:33:18
  I I got to see, I took a big glimpse at it and it's
• 1:33:21
  incredible. What you, you know, it's
• 1:33:22
  incredible. And you could do that all over.
• 1:33:24
  You could do that all over. It's it's deep.
• 1:33:27
  Yeah. You don't even need much
• 1:33:28
  structure, you know, assuming you're in the right area.
• 1:33:30
  No, it's, it's straightforward. It's amazing.
• 1:33:33
  So and and like, I think we could do some, some things that
• 1:33:36
  like like China's got incredible high speed rail between its
• 1:33:40
  cities, but I think it's actually possible with with with
• 1:33:43
  tunnels. If, if, if it was deregulation
• 1:33:45
  with with an ability to actually where it's like legal to, to
• 1:33:49
  actually do the tunnels, then you could have high speed
• 1:33:53
  tunnels that are actually better than than anything else in the
• 1:33:56
  world for high speed transport between cities.
• 1:33:59
  And that would be something that, you know, Americans can
• 1:34:02
  say, wow, OK, we've, we've got something that's cooler than
• 1:34:05
  anyone else in the world. That's that's the kind of thing
• 1:34:07
  that makes you proud to be. Much safer than surface trains
• 1:34:11
  where there is a danger there, you know, with people, with
• 1:34:13
  crazy people. It's much safer, much better.
• 1:34:16
  And you know, it's sad because I've seen some of the greatest
• 1:34:19
  trains. I find it fascinating.
• 1:34:21
  And I've seen the systems and how they work and the bullet
• 1:34:24
  trains they call them, I guess. And they go unbelievably fast,
• 1:34:28
  unbelievably comfortable with no problems.
• 1:34:31
  And we don't have anything like that in this country, not even
• 1:34:34
  plus. And it doesn't make sense that
• 1:34:36
  we don't. Doesn't make sense.
• 1:34:38
  Yeah. And I, I think also like the,
• 1:34:40
  because, you know, I just kind of hopping on the excess
• 1:34:43
  regulation. But I think something that, that
• 1:34:46
  I think people can generally understand is that what happens
• 1:34:49
  with laws and regulations is that they just, there's more and
• 1:34:51
  more of them every year. And unless there's a process to
• 1:34:54
  clean them up, eventually everything becomes illegal.
• 1:34:56
  And, and that actually slow, it slows down the development of
• 1:34:59
  new technologies. I mean, if you take the sort of
• 1:35:01
  like, I think we this, this, there's room for some reform at
• 1:35:04
  the, at the FDA for improving the speed with which we, you
• 1:35:09
  know, approve drugs that that could help save lives and
• 1:35:13
  improve people's lives. And I.
• 1:35:15
  Worked very hard on that. You know, we got that down to,
• 1:35:17
  to the lowest number ever and we got therapeutics approved in the
• 1:35:22
  FDA that people can't even believe the speed.
• 1:35:25
  But I, I took them on I, I don't think they like me too much, but
• 1:35:29
  I got things approved and the FDA at, at, at numbers that they
• 1:35:33
  wouldn't believe. And you know, it's a very
• 1:35:35
  bureaucratic group. Actually, it's a fine group of
• 1:35:38
  people in many cases. I got to know a lot of them, but
• 1:35:41
  I was pushing them really hard for Regeneron for so many
• 1:35:44
  different things that that were really pretty amazing.
• 1:35:47
  But but the FDA takes too long. They would it's 12 years to get
• 1:35:51
  a product approved. I got it down to four and I got
• 1:35:54
  some things done very quickly. But it's it's really something
• 1:35:58
  that is going to have to be worked on because it takes too
• 1:36:01
  long, just takes too long. Yeah, it just takes too long and
• 1:36:05
  it's, you end up in the same with, with the approval, but it
• 1:36:08
  just, it's just, you know, it takes years instead of something
• 1:36:11
  that that I think could potentially take months and that
• 1:36:13
  improves people's lives. I think, you know, and, and,
• 1:36:16
  but, but I just wanted to hop on this point that like there has
• 1:36:20
  to be an active process for reducing rules and regulations
• 1:36:25
  because otherwise they just keep building up every year and you
• 1:36:28
  get like hardening of the arteries and eventually
• 1:36:30
  everything's illegal or takes forever.
• 1:36:33
  And, and then, and then we, we just, we just ossify as a
• 1:36:38
  society. We just, we can't make any
• 1:36:41
  progress. And and that's it's a really
• 1:36:43
  big. Deal, Elon, just getting back to
• 1:36:45
  the FDA for one second. I got something done called
• 1:36:47
  right to try. This is where you can go in and
• 1:36:50
  if you're terminally ill, you can use a space age, you know,
• 1:36:54
  medicine or whatever it may be. We have the best doctors, the
• 1:36:57
  best labs in the world. We really do.
• 1:36:59
  And but people would go to other countries because you couldn't
• 1:37:03
  use this, the product, even if they thought it worked, because
• 1:37:06
  it's going through the FDAI got it approved where you can.
• 1:37:09
  Yeah, you, you basically you. Look, nobody want the doctors
• 1:37:12
  didn't want it because of the liability.
• 1:37:13
  The country didn't want it, Our country because they didn't want
• 1:37:16
  to get to these are people terminally ill.
• 1:37:18
  The insurance companies didn't want it, and the pharmaceutical
• 1:37:21
  covers nobody wanted it. I got everybody into a room and
• 1:37:24
  we came up with an agreement that you won't get sued.
• 1:37:27
  And also they didn't want it on their record.
• 1:37:29
  If somebody's terminally ill and they die after taking a drug,
• 1:37:32
  they didn't want that on their record.
• 1:37:33
  So we set a second, a separate list if somebody was so it
• 1:37:37
  wouldn't count as the negative. OK.
• 1:37:39
  And as you know, we got it done. We have saved, right to try.
• 1:37:42
  They've been trying to get this done for 58 years.
• 1:37:46
  And it sounds simple, but it wasn't because of, you know, I
• 1:37:48
  mean, you know, the insurance companies, nobody wanted it, but
• 1:37:51
  we got it done. Somebody signs you sign a
• 1:37:54
  document that you're not going to sue the insurance companies,
• 1:37:57
  the country, you're not going to sue anybody.
• 1:37:59
  And we got it done and we're saving 10s of thousands of
• 1:38:03
  lives, right, to try Hopefully you never need it.
• 1:38:05
  But if you do, you don't have to travel to Asia.
• 1:38:08
  You know, people, if they had money, they go to Asia, they go
• 1:38:11
  to Europe. If they don't have money, they
• 1:38:12
  go home and die. That's what happened.
• 1:38:14
  They'd go home and. Die Well, I mean, and actually
• 1:38:17
  to give you some some props here, it's like if a drug is
• 1:38:20
  improved, it approved in the in the in Europe, which has a crazy
• 1:38:24
  amount of regulations, it should obviously be approved in the USI
• 1:38:27
  mean they get more regulations than we do.
• 1:38:29
  So what why would a drug be approved in Europe and not in
• 1:38:32
  the US? That that's crazy.
• 1:38:33
  Well, we did it. We did something that really
• 1:38:35
  they've been trying to do it for 50 years.
• 1:38:37
  Then they just couldn't get it done.
• 1:38:38
  And I got it done and it's it's really something.
• 1:38:41
  But you're right, some people go to Europe because a drug isn't
• 1:38:44
  approved here, but it's approved in Europe and it's a drug that
• 1:38:47
  generally speaking would work. It's pretty crazy, Absolutely.
• 1:38:50
  Right. And I think so, as long as
• 1:38:52
  people are properly informed of the pros and cons and like these
• 1:38:55
  are the risks, this, you know, this is the risk and like you
• 1:38:58
  make your own decision that that makes sense.
• 1:39:01
  Well, I think just, you know, in sort of closing up and by the
• 1:39:04
  way, I'm looking at the numbers, you get a lot of people
• 1:39:06
  listening. I hope you don't get nervous
• 1:39:09
  because you got a lot of people listening to you right now.
• 1:39:11
  Like 60 million or something. What is that number?
• 1:39:14
  That's crazy. It's amazing how you can see
• 1:39:17
  that right away. How many?
• 1:39:18
  What is the number? Wow, what is it?
• 1:39:21
  Well, I think. That's a big, that's bigger than
• 1:39:24
  you said you, you said 25 and you're more than much more than
• 1:39:28
  double that #25,000,000. I think you're going to be 60 or
• 1:39:31
  70. And I guess over a period of
• 1:39:32
  time. Hey, that's, I congratulate you.
• 1:39:35
  Do I get paid for this or not? Well, I think actually in terms
• 1:39:42
  of a number of people that will hear this conversation over the
• 1:39:45
  next few days, two weeks, it's going to be hundreds.
• 1:39:50
  That's what they say. Yeah, that's good.
• 1:39:51
  Well, look, it's an honor, but I just asked this, are you better
• 1:39:55
  off now or well, you're better off when I was president?
• 1:39:58
  Nobody's better off now. People, you know, we put out
• 1:40:01
  polls on that and nobody's better off now.
• 1:40:04
  Inflation has killed it. And you know, they also feel
• 1:40:06
  very unsafe. You look at what's going on with
• 1:40:09
  a lot of different things. You look at the riots we had in
• 1:40:11
  the colleges over. I mean, it's ridiculous, but
• 1:40:14
  right, All of the rights, they just feel unsafe.
• 1:40:16
  And now they really feel unsafe because you have a new form of
• 1:40:19
  crime. It's called migrant crime.
• 1:40:21
  I call it Biden migrant guy. Maybe I'll call it Kamala
• 1:40:24
  migrant crime. But.
• 1:40:26
  You know, I mean, all these things I always try to like, try
• 1:40:28
  to get to the ground truth by just asking people.
• 1:40:31
  And, you know, my mom lives in New York and I was like, you
• 1:40:34
  know, mom, you know, do you know, have any of your friends,
• 1:40:37
  you know, been attacked or assaulted?
• 1:40:39
  And she said, yeah, three of her friends in three separate
• 1:40:41
  incidents were assaulted just just just in recent months, just
• 1:40:45
  walking around the streets in New York.
• 1:40:46
  And I and I, and I said, well, did what, what happened to the
• 1:40:50
  people that assaulted them? Oh, nothing.
• 1:40:51
  They they, they got away like and and they, they're just they.
• 1:40:55
  Always get away. And they don't ever, and they
• 1:40:57
  don't even bother reporting it because there's not, they know
• 1:41:00
  that there's not, they're not going to, you know, people are
• 1:41:03
  not going to get prosecuted. They just, they just let you
• 1:41:06
  know, violent criminals out in New York.
• 1:41:08
  The only one that gets prosecuted is Donald Trump.
• 1:41:11
  They don't. They prosecute Trump.
• 1:41:13
  Yeah, I mean, it's, it's just obviously messed.
• 1:41:15
  Up. It's terrible.
• 1:41:16
  If filing criminals are being I've been getting off Scott free
• 1:41:20
  and, and, and meanwhile that the, the, you know, New York
• 1:41:23
  spending massive resources prosecuting you.
• 1:41:25
  And it's like, what's this? You know, and, and I think the,
• 1:41:29
  the, the sort of sensible public said, looks at this and said,
• 1:41:33
  what the heck's going on here? This is obviously abuse the
• 1:41:35
  legal system. You know, the, the legal system
• 1:41:38
  is supposed to be protecting the public from violent criminals
• 1:41:42
  and it, it should be obviously allowing the public to make
• 1:41:45
  their own decision about who should be president as opposed
• 1:41:48
  to, you know, some, you know, legal case.
• 1:41:52
  Once they start this precedent, because this can go on with the
• 1:41:55
  next one. I mean, this is a very bad
• 1:41:57
  precedent what they're doing in terms of, you know, going after
• 1:42:00
  their political opponent. And that's all it is.
• 1:42:02
  It's going after their political opponent.
• 1:42:04
  And then you get a judge who's, you know, was a strong Democrat.
• 1:42:08
  And I'm being nice when I say that in many cases, crooked as
• 1:42:10
  hell. But you get a judge and you go
• 1:42:12
  into an area where a Republican gets 3 or 4% of the vote and you
• 1:42:17
  know you'll have a jury pool with people that hate
• 1:42:21
  Republicans or hate it could also be the other way, though,
• 1:42:24
  because it could start the other way in areas where they hate
• 1:42:27
  Democrats. And you get into a Pandora's box
• 1:42:29
  is a very dangerous thing for this country and a very
• 1:42:33
  dangerous thing even for the state.
• 1:42:35
  New York City is losing. New York City and state lose a
• 1:42:38
  lot of business over what they did to me because these people
• 1:42:41
  say we don't want that to happen to us.
• 1:42:43
  There's no justice system. You have an unfair system of
• 1:42:46
  justice. And it's costing New York State
• 1:42:48
  a tremendous amount of money. People are leaving and companies
• 1:42:52
  are leaving, and they won't come back.
• 1:42:54
  So, you know, all of that stuff is important.
• 1:42:55
  But the economy now is the big thing.
• 1:42:58
  And we can turn that economy up so fast, and people are going to
• 1:43:01
  be back again. We're going to get rid of this.
• 1:43:03
  I think there's a lot, a lot of opportunity, absolutely so.
• 1:43:07
  And I just want to, I want to congratulate you.
• 1:43:09
  You've done an amazing you are. You have definitely got a
• 1:43:12
  fertile mind. You know, we can talk.
• 1:43:14
  You and I can talk about rockets.
• 1:43:16
  It's kind of you to say. Thank you.
• 1:43:17
  Tunnels. We can talk about tunnels and
• 1:43:19
  rockets and and electric cars, so many things.
• 1:43:23
  And now you're you're into the AI and that's going to be
• 1:43:25
  another beauty, I'll say. So it's yeah, it's an amazing,
• 1:43:29
  it's an amazing thing you've done, Elon.
• 1:43:31
  It's an amazing thing. And I congratulate you.
• 1:43:34
  I mean, thank you. And well, I mean, I just to say
• 1:43:36
  here, you know, here's to an exciting, inspiring future that
• 1:43:39
  people can look forward to and be optimistic and excited about
• 1:43:42
  what happens next. And that's the kind of future
• 1:43:44
  that I think you will bring as president, and that's why I
• 1:43:47
  endorse. You well, I appreciate that.
• 1:43:49
  That endorsement meant a lot to me.
• 1:43:51
  Not all endorsements mean that much, to be honest.
• 1:43:53
  Your endorsement meant a lot. And you know, we have a phrase
• 1:43:56
  make America great again. It's pretty simple, but it
• 1:43:58
  really says that we want to make America great and we can do it.
• 1:44:01
  We can do it now, but if we were going to suffer for another four
• 1:44:05
  years like we've suffered for the last four years, I'm not
• 1:44:08
  sure the country can ever come back.
• 1:44:10
  That's how bad it is. It's so bad.
• 1:44:12
  We have to, we have to do a lot of I.
• 1:44:13
  Think that's a very real? Risk.
• 1:44:14
  It's a. Big risk.
• 1:44:15
  It's a very real risk. And, and you know, I just like
• 1:44:18
  to, to note to people listening like I've not been very
• 1:44:21
  political before. And, and I've just, if you look
• 1:44:23
  at my track, my record, it's, I've actually been, I'm, I'm,
• 1:44:26
  I'm not like, since I try to paint me as like a far right
• 1:44:29
  guy, which is absurd because I'm like making electric vehicles
• 1:44:31
  and, you know, solar and batteries, helping them with the
• 1:44:34
  environment. And, and, and I actually, I, I,
• 1:44:38
  you know, I, I supported Obama. I stood in line for six hours to
• 1:44:41
  shake Obama's hand when, when he was running for president.
• 1:44:44
  And, you know, so it's not like I'm like some sort of died in
• 1:44:47
  the wool long term Republican. I'm actually, I call myself, you
• 1:44:51
  know, historically a moderate Democrat.
• 1:44:53
  And but now I feel like we're really at, at a critical
• 1:44:57
  juncture for the country. And, you know, I, I think a lot
• 1:45:02
  of people thought, you know, that Biden administration would
• 1:45:04
  be a moderate administration, but it's not.
• 1:45:06
  And, and obviously that we were just going to see an even
• 1:45:12
  further left administration with, with Kamala.
• 1:45:16
  That's, that's my honest opinion.
• 1:45:18
  I mean, her dad is literally, I mean, she was brought up as a,
• 1:45:21
  as an actual, her dad is a, is a Marxist economist.
• 1:45:24
  That's, you can Google it. I mean, it's not a, we're not
• 1:45:27
  making this up. You know, that's how she was
• 1:45:30
  brought up. So and, and we, we, we just, we
• 1:45:33
  want to have a future that is prosperous.
• 1:45:35
  And, and I think we're just at this critical juncture.
• 1:45:38
  And, and I think this is a case of the America is, is kind of at
• 1:45:46
  a fork in the road. And, and I think it will take,
• 1:45:49
  it will take if the path like you are the path to prosperity.
• 1:45:53
  And I think Kamala is the opposite, then that's my, I
• 1:45:56
  mean, that's my honest opinion. I'm going to, I'm going to get
• 1:45:58
  attacked like crazy. And you know, I've also
• 1:45:59
  experienced quite a bit of low fear myself.
• 1:46:02
  And, but I'm just trying to tell people my honest opinion.
• 1:46:06
  And, and I haven't been active in really active in politics
• 1:46:08
  before. And I'm just trying to point out
• 1:46:11
  that my track record historically has been moderate,
• 1:46:13
  if not moderate, slightly left. And, and so this is to people
• 1:46:17
  out there who are in the moderate camp to say, I think
• 1:46:20
  you should support Donald Trump for president.
• 1:46:24
  And I think it's actually a very important junction in the road.
• 1:46:26
  And and we're deep travel if it if, if it goes the other way.
• 1:46:30
  Well, I want to thank you. And you know, I actually always
• 1:46:32
  did think of you as somewhat left, I must say that.
• 1:46:35
  So it's, it's even more of an honor to have your endorsement.
• 1:46:39
  I know how strong you feel about it.
• 1:46:41
  But you know, when you think of her, San Francisco, 15 years
• 1:46:44
  ago, I had a great friend, Bob Tisch, she said it's the
• 1:46:46
  greatest city in America. And now it's it's not, it's
• 1:46:50
  almost not livable there. And California likewise.
• 1:46:53
  And she was involved in the destruction of San Francisco and
• 1:46:56
  the destruction of California. And she will be involved in the
• 1:47:00
  destruction of our country if people are so unwise as to elect
• 1:47:06
  her. And I hope that doesn't happen.
• 1:47:08
  And I hope the elections are going to be run honestly.
• 1:47:10
  And we're going to turn this country around.
• 1:47:13
  We're going to we're going to do things that and we can do it
• 1:47:15
  fairly quickly. And we have to get rid of the
• 1:47:18
  criminals that have been, you know, given to us by other
• 1:47:20
  countries as they laugh, they laugh at us.
• 1:47:22
  They think we're stupid to accept these people.
• 1:47:25
  These are radical stone cold killers in many case cases, and
• 1:47:29
  terrorists. And they're in our country by
• 1:47:31
  the hundreds of thousands. Yeah.
• 1:47:34
  And we have to take them out. Yeah.
• 1:47:36
  I mean, if I could summarize it, perhaps, you know, I think these
• 1:47:39
  are issues that I think most people in America would agree
• 1:47:43
  with, which is that we want safe and clean cities.
• 1:47:46
  We want secure borders. We want sensible government
• 1:47:49
  spending. We want to restore both the
• 1:47:53
  perception and reality of respect in the in the judicial
• 1:47:56
  system. Just, you know, stop the low
• 1:47:58
  fare. And I think that's like, and how
• 1:48:04
  are those even right wing positions?
• 1:48:05
  I think those are just that's just common sense.
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  And that's, I mean, would you agree with that?
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  100% I don't understand, you know, the whole, they call it
• 1:48:15
  progressive, they don't like the word liberal anymore, but call
• 1:48:18
  it liberal or progressive. I don't understand how somebody
• 1:48:21
  could say that it's OK for them to empty prisons into our
• 1:48:24
  country. And again, I told you that crime
• 1:48:26
  rates all over the world are going way down, which makes
• 1:48:29
  sense. In fact, the next time, what
• 1:48:30
  we'll do is if something happens with this election, which would
• 1:48:33
  be a horror show, we'll meet the next time in Venezuela because
• 1:48:37
  it'll be a far safer place to meet than our country.
• 1:48:40
  OK, so we'll go. You and I will go and we'll have
• 1:48:42
  a meeting and dinner in Venezuela because that's what's
• 1:48:45
  happening. Their crime rates coming down
• 1:48:47
  and our crime rates going through the roof.
• 1:48:49
  And it's so simple and it's, you haven't seen anything yet
• 1:48:52
  because these people have come into our country and they're
• 1:48:54
  just getting acclimated and they don't know about being
• 1:48:57
  politically correct law enforcement or lack of law
• 1:49:01
  enforcement. And our police.
• 1:49:03
  I, I have to just end with this. We have great police, we have
• 1:49:06
  great law enforcement, but they're not allowed to do their
• 1:49:08
  job. They have to be able to do their
• 1:49:09
  job without being destroyed. Well, absolutely.
• 1:49:13
  And it's obviously demoralizing if you're a police officer
• 1:49:15
  risking your life to, you know, to, you know, to arrest violent
• 1:49:20
  criminals who could kill you and do kill you sometimes.
• 1:49:23
  And then you arrest the violent criminal and then the the DA,
• 1:49:27
  you know, doesn't prosecute and and that's left the guy out
• 1:49:30
  willing. Like why?
• 1:49:31
  Why should a police officer risk their life to arrest a violent
• 1:49:36
  felon? Well, even worse.
• 1:49:37
  If there's nothing's going to happen.
• 1:49:39
  Even worse, they prosecute the police officer.
• 1:49:42
  They they go after it and they prosecute the police officer and
• 1:49:45
  they take away his pension, they take away his job.
• 1:49:48
  He loses his family, he loses his house.
• 1:49:51
  Well. I, I, I thought it was very
• 1:49:53
  telling, like incredibly telling that, you know, when that there
• 1:49:56
  was a case where, you know, sort of a gang of thugs beat up
• 1:50:01
  police officers. I think it was in Times Square
• 1:50:03
  in New York and, and, and then nothing happened to those guys.
• 1:50:07
  They were, they were let out zero bail and I think lunch and
• 1:50:10
  were given free tickets to California.
• 1:50:12
  Well, what is the I mean that that is that is there's a gross
• 1:50:16
  indignity against the United States and and that's how I
• 1:50:19
  mean, this is insane. Like, have we lost all pride?
• 1:50:22
  What that? How can such a thing be allowed
• 1:50:25
  to? Occur.
• 1:50:25
  I've never seen anything. You know, we see where they get
• 1:50:28
  shot. It's a very dangerous
• 1:50:30
  profession, but something they're very proud of and they
• 1:50:32
  want to be able to do their job. But I've seen them get shot.
• 1:50:35
  I've seen a lot of things, but I've never seen where these guys
• 1:50:38
  are standing in the middle of a big St., everybody watching
• 1:50:40
  them, and they're literally boxing, like punching stand up,
• 1:50:44
  fighting a police officer. There were two of them, and yet
• 1:50:47
  about six of these guys and they're punching the hell out of
• 1:50:50
  them. And in their own country, they
• 1:50:52
  would be dead if they did that. They'd be shot.
• 1:50:55
  Yeah, they would be shot instantly.
• 1:50:57
  And, you know, they come from these countries and it's taking
• 1:50:59
  them a while to realize that we don't do that in this country.
• 1:51:02
  But in their own country, if they stood on a street and had a
• 1:51:05
  fight with a police officer, they would be shot.
• 1:51:08
  There's no political correctness.
• 1:51:10
  And it's such a sad. Yes, it's such a sad thing to
• 1:51:13
  see. And that's the reason we have,
• 1:51:15
  by the way, because we don't do anything about it.
• 1:51:17
  Yeah, We just cannot have a situation where our police
• 1:51:20
  officers beaten up on camera by, you know, a gang of illegal
• 1:51:25
  immigrants and then nothing happens to the guys that beat up
• 1:51:28
  the cops. I mean, and they're let out.
• 1:51:30
  This is unexpected. We're going to change it and
• 1:51:32
  we're going to get them out of the country.
• 1:51:34
  You know, when I first got involved, they said you couldn't
• 1:51:37
  get them back to these countries.
• 1:51:38
  You couldn't take them back In the case of Guatemala, Honduras,
• 1:51:42
  El Salvador, some others, you couldn't get them back.
• 1:51:45
  And I said, really? Oh, you can't get it back
• 1:51:47
  because under Obama, he couldn't get them back.
• 1:51:49
  They'd put up, they'd fly them in and they put planes on the
• 1:51:52
  runways in these countries so you couldn't land the plane.
• 1:51:54
  They'd bring them back. And the general told me, the
• 1:51:56
  generals told me, you sure we can't bring them back.
• 1:51:58
  The countries won't accept MS13 gang members.
• 1:52:01
  They won't accept them. And I said, really, how much do
• 1:52:04
  we pay these various countries in terms of economic aid, which
• 1:52:07
  is also somewhat ridiculous. And the answer, it was $750
• 1:52:11
  million. I said, good, tell them they're
• 1:52:14
  in default, they're delinquent. We're not going to do, we're not
• 1:52:16
  paying them anymore because they won't accept it.
• 1:52:19
  And you know what happened? They all called me, every one of
• 1:52:21
  them. They said we would be honored to
• 1:52:23
  take them back, Sir, we would be honored.
• 1:52:26
  It was so easy, but it's one of those things, and we got it
• 1:52:28
  back. We took in so many.
• 1:52:29
  You know, the MS13 is probably the worst gangs in the world.
• 1:52:33
  They're the most vicious violence.
• 1:52:35
  We took them out of here by the thousands and got them out of
• 1:52:38
  here and their countries took them back.
• 1:52:40
  And because I said you're not getting anymore economic aid.
• 1:52:44
  And once I said that they were nice, they wouldn't take them
• 1:52:47
  back for Obama. They wouldn't take them back for
• 1:52:49
  anybody. And now we have a problem
• 1:52:51
  because we have this guy and they again, they don't take them
• 1:52:54
  back anymore with the Biden because they don't respect him.
• 1:52:57
  Yeah, yeah. It's so it's just, it's just
• 1:52:59
  gotta, it's gotta be done. We, we just can't, can't have,
• 1:53:02
  uh, whether they're citizens or not citizens, we can't have
• 1:53:06
  because they weren't prosecute citizens either.
• 1:53:08
  Not, not just, not just illegals.
• 1:53:10
  So if it's, you can't have violent, repeat violent
• 1:53:15
  offenders that are not that, that, that don't get
• 1:53:19
  incarcerated because they will, they will obviously by
• 1:53:23
  definition continue to, to, to, you know, hurt people.
• 1:53:29
  And, and, and I, I think where part of this comes from is that
• 1:53:31
  there's, and I, you know, I do sort of concern myself liberal
• 1:53:34
  in some ways. I mean, it's just that you want
• 1:53:37
  to have empathy for people. Obviously you want to have
• 1:53:39
  empathy for people. I totally agree with that.
• 1:53:41
  You want to have empathy, but you also have to have empathy
• 1:53:44
  for the victims of the criminals.
• 1:53:46
  And if you, if you just have empathy for the criminals, it's,
• 1:53:48
  it's actually shallow empathy. It's not real.
• 1:53:51
  You're not thinking, you're not, you have one layer deep empathy.
• 1:53:55
  You got to say, like, what if you don't incarcerate this
• 1:53:58
  person? Who are they going to hurt?
• 1:54:02
  Who are they? They might kill someone.
• 1:54:03
  They might rape someone if you don't incarcerate them.
• 1:54:06
  You have to have empathy for the victims.
• 1:54:09
  And there's a lack of empathy for the victims of the criminals
• 1:54:12
  and too much empathy for the criminals.
• 1:54:14
  It doesn't make sense. That's why you want to have deep
• 1:54:17
  empathy for society as a whole, not shallow empathy for
• 1:54:21
  criminals. And we have to give our police
• 1:54:23
  officers the dignity and the respect that they deserve.
• 1:54:27
  And we have to let them do their job.
• 1:54:29
  They can do a great job, but we have to let them do their job.
• 1:54:33
  And if we don't do that, you know, it's it's going to all,
• 1:54:35
  it's going to all disappear. There's never been a society
• 1:54:38
  like this where you're allowed to do anything you want and
• 1:54:42
  nothing happens. And I'm talking about violent
• 1:54:44
  crime. And it's going to get more
• 1:54:46
  violent because these are really, really violent people.
• 1:54:49
  And we're going to get them out of our country and we're going
• 1:54:52
  to get them back to where? Because they were sent here by
• 1:54:54
  the presidents and by the various people that run those
• 1:54:57
  countries. And I know every one of those
• 1:54:58
  guys and they're smart people and they're streetwise people
• 1:55:02
  and really think that the USA is stupid.
• 1:55:05
  They think we're run by stupid people.
• 1:55:07
  And they happen to be right. But when I was there, we had no
• 1:55:10
  problem. We got them out.
• 1:55:11
  We took out thousands of MS13 gang members.
• 1:55:14
  We brought them back. And now again, they it's the
• 1:55:17
  same old story. We don't do it.
• 1:55:18
  And they actually gave them a big increase in aid.
• 1:55:21
  They raised it up to billions of dollars and they get nothing for
• 1:55:25
  it. So, you know, it's, it's I hope
• 1:55:28
  everybody's going to vote for Trump and we're going to get
• 1:55:30
  this country straight. And I didn't need this.
• 1:55:32
  I'm like, I didn't need this. I had a very nice life.
• 1:55:35
  I didn't need to to go through court systems and go through all
• 1:55:38
  the other stuff and run at the same time.
• 1:55:40
  I have to run. I have to go through fake trials
• 1:55:43
  with in some cases, corrupt judges, totally corrupt judges.
• 1:55:47
  I didn't need it. I had a nice life.
• 1:55:49
  I have great locations, I have beautiful oceans that I have
• 1:55:52
  places. I, you know, I, this was, but I
• 1:55:55
  felt it was important. And if I had it, if I had to do
• 1:55:58
  it over again, you probably think I'm crazy for doing it
• 1:56:01
  actually. But if I had to do it over
• 1:56:03
  again, I would have done it over again because this is so much
• 1:56:06
  more important than me or my life.
• 1:56:08
  This is we're going to save this country.
• 1:56:10
  This country is going down and these people are bad people that
• 1:56:14
  were running against and they're liars.
• 1:56:16
  They make statements. They, they, they do things that
• 1:56:19
  are so bad they they say they're going to make a strong border.
• 1:56:23
  They say they've been great on the border and they've been the
• 1:56:26
  worst in history. They say they're.
• 1:56:28
  Going to stop crime, In fact, speak for themselves.
• 1:56:30
  It's so incredible. Speak for themselves like it's
• 1:56:33
  got the point where people just don't even bother reporting
• 1:56:35
  crime in a lot of right because they know nothing that's going
• 1:56:37
  to happen. You know, that's what I hear
• 1:56:39
  anecdotally from from people all the time.
• 1:56:42
  So, you know, it's just, you know, my values.
• 1:56:44
  I'm just saying to to people out there like my, you know, the
• 1:56:47
  things I think are important for the future is like, we've got to
• 1:56:50
  have safe cities. We're going to have secure
• 1:56:52
  borders, we're going to have sensible spending and and we
• 1:56:55
  have and we've got to have, you know, deregulation and so we can
• 1:56:59
  have a prosperous future. And then we want to have some
• 1:57:01
  exciting, you know, sort of moon shot projects that that people
• 1:57:05
  can get fired up about. And you know, that's, that's the
• 1:57:08
  future I'm looking for. And you know, I'm pro
• 1:57:11
  environment, but but I'm not against, you know, I'm not like,
• 1:57:15
  I don't think we should vilify the oil and gas industry because
• 1:57:18
  they're keeping civilization going right now.
• 1:57:21
  And but I do think we want to move, you know, you know, a
• 1:57:24
  reasonable speed towards a sustainable energy economy.
• 1:57:27
  Those are my values and, and, and I think, you know, and, and
• 1:57:31
  so I mean, that's why I'm supporting you for president,
• 1:57:37
  you know. Well, I appreciate we're going
• 1:57:38
  to make, we're going to give incentive to companies to come
• 1:57:41
  into our country, not to leave our country.
• 1:57:44
  We're going to be be giving tremendous incentives.
• 1:57:47
  We want companies to build here, not to build in other locations
• 1:57:51
  and we want to create jobs. And again, it's about the
• 1:57:54
  American dream. You don't hear about the
• 1:57:56
  American dream anymore, Elon. You don't hear you're the
• 1:57:58
  American dream, who says, but you don't hear about the
• 1:58:01
  American dream anymore and you're going to hear about it.
• 1:58:04
  People, they need that incentive to go out and, and do it.
• 1:58:08
  And they're going to love their lives.
• 1:58:10
  I mean, they're going to love, they're going to look forward to
• 1:58:11
  getting up in the morning and going to, you know, going to a
• 1:58:14
  job that they love, not a job that they can't stand or not any
• 1:58:18
  job at all, where they have no money, where they literally have
• 1:58:20
  no money. And then they end up with
• 1:58:21
  violence and lots of other problems.
• 1:58:23
  No, we're going to do we're going to do some great things.
• 1:58:25
  And I learned a lot in the first.
• 1:58:27
  We had a great economy and all of that.
• 1:58:29
  We rebuilt the military did so much, but I also learned and I
• 1:58:32
  also learned the best people. I learned the good people, the
• 1:58:35
  the smart people, the dumb people, the people that can do
• 1:58:38
  things, the people you know, you learn.
• 1:58:39
  When I first came in, I, I tell people I was in Washington, DC
• 1:58:43
  only 17 times, according to the fake news media.
• 1:58:46
  I was in 17 times. I never stayed over.
• 1:58:50
  And you don't know people. You rely on other people to give
• 1:58:52
  your names. And then you realize the people
• 1:58:54
  you relied on weren't so good. Now we had great people, but we
• 1:58:57
  also had somewhere I wouldn't have, you know, used them had I
• 1:58:59
  know, now I know everybody. And I think we're going to,
• 1:59:03
  we're going to really turn things around fast.
• 1:59:05
  We have no choice otherwise we're not going to have a
• 1:59:07
  country. And I really appreciate this has
• 1:59:10
  been to me, it's been a lot of fun being with you.
• 1:59:12
  You're an amazing guy. You've done an incredible job
• 1:59:15
  and a great inspiration to people, a great inspiration.
• 1:59:18
  And I hope you keep going and just continue to do well.
• 1:59:22
  And we're going to have a big election coming up.
• 1:59:24
  And I think November 5th will be the most important day in the
• 1:59:29
  history of our country. I think that election will be
• 1:59:31
  the most important election and I think it'll end up being maybe
• 1:59:34
  the most important day in the history of our country because
• 1:59:38
  we don't win. I just feel so sorry for
• 1:59:41
  everybody. No, we're, I think we're at a
• 1:59:43
  folk in the road of destiny of civilization.
• 1:59:46
  And I think we need to take the the right path and and I think
• 1:59:52
  you're the right path. So I think that's what it comes
• 1:59:54
  down. Thank you very much, Elon.
• 1:59:56
  It's a great honor. And we'll we'll do it again
• 1:59:58
  sometime. And it's been really fun.
• 2:00:01
  And I hope you got a lot of viewers.
• 2:00:03
  I hear you got a lot, but I hope you got, yeah, I know you got a
• 2:00:07
  lot of them, so I appreciate it. I'll see you soon.
• 2:00:11
  All right. Sounds good.
• 2:00:11
  Thank you. Thank you, Elon.
• 2:00:13
  Thank you very much. Bye.