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- 0:50Speaker 2: Okay, if you ever had that feeling, you know, like
- 0:51Speaker 2: when you're so sure something's going to go a certain way,
- 0:55Speaker 2: but then like bam, reality just hits you at a
- 0:58Speaker 2: totally different ending. Yeah, it's like that expectation versus reality thing,
- 1:01Speaker 2: like a game we're all kind of playing. So today
- 1:04Speaker 2: we're going deep on how it all works and hopefully
- 1:07Speaker 2: how to like win. We've got personal stories, some expert advice,
- 1:12Speaker 2: and even you know, little psychology sprinkled in.
- 1:14Speaker 3: Yeah, what's super interesting about this whole thing is it's
- 1:16Speaker 3: not just about avoiding disappointment, you know, it's about understanding
- 1:20Speaker 3: how our minds actually create those expectations in the first place.
- 1:23Speaker 3: And trust me, the way our brains do it it's
- 1:25Speaker 3: not always logical.
- 1:27Speaker 2: So okay, let's unpack this. What are expectations like really?
- 1:31Speaker 2: Besides those little tiny dream bubbles that life loves to
- 1:34Speaker 2: just pop.
- 1:35Speaker 3: You can think of them as your brain's like predictions
- 1:37Speaker 3: about what's going to happen. It's always trying to make
- 1:39Speaker 3: sense of everything, right, So it uses past experiences, it
- 1:42Speaker 3: uses social cues, even like your deepest desires to create
- 1:45Speaker 3: these I guess you could call them previews of how
- 1:50Speaker 3: things should be.
- 1:51Speaker 2: Oh okay, So is it like if I always have,
- 1:53Speaker 2: you know, bad luck with online dating, I'm basically going
- 1:56Speaker 2: into every first date expecting it to be a disaster,
- 1:59Speaker 2: even if like this new person seems amazing.
- 2:02Speaker 3: Exactly, your past is a super powerful teacher, even if
- 2:06Speaker 3: it's you know, teaching you the wrong lessons. But there's
- 2:09Speaker 3: more to it. Think about all the like perfect lives
- 2:13Speaker 3: you see on social media, you know, those curated feeds
- 2:17Speaker 3: I think they're called. They can make even like the
- 2:19Speaker 3: most level headed person start expecting their own life to
- 2:22Speaker 3: be well perfect too, like a NonStop highlight reel.
- 2:25Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the comparison trap. Right, it's like everyone else is,
- 2:28Speaker 2: I don't know, living in a rom com yeah, when
- 2:30Speaker 2: I'm stuck in like a gritty documentary. But wait, doesn't
- 2:33Speaker 2: this whole expectation thing also come from inside us too,
- 2:36Speaker 2: like our own hopes and dreams and stuff for sure?
- 2:38Speaker 3: And this is where it gets really really interesting. Like
- 2:40Speaker 3: one study found that newlyweds, you know, the people who
- 2:44Speaker 3: are supposed to be the most in love, they tend
- 2:46Speaker 3: to overestimate how happy they'll be in the future. They're
- 2:49Speaker 3: so caught up in like the romantic ideal that they
- 2:52Speaker 3: don't even factor in the everyday challenges of actually building
- 2:56Speaker 3: a life together. You know. It kind of shows how
- 2:59Speaker 3: even our best desires can like warp our expectations.
- 3:02Speaker 2: So it's like we've got these expectations coming from all
- 3:05Speaker 2: these different places and then bam, reality hits. Why does
- 3:10Speaker 2: that gap feel like so much worse than just a
- 3:13Speaker 2: regular bummer.
- 3:15Speaker 3: Well, our brains they really like consistency. When reality goes
- 3:18Speaker 3: offpt you off the script we've already written in our heads,
- 3:21Speaker 3: it triggers this feeling, a deep sense of unease, like
- 3:24Speaker 3: almost like a mental alarm bells going off. And that's
- 3:26Speaker 3: when all those negative emotions start flooding in disappointment, frustration,
- 3:30Speaker 3: maybe even like anger and resentment.
- 3:32Speaker 2: It's like our brains are screaming, wait, hold on, that's
- 3:36Speaker 2: not how the movie's supposed to end. I was reading
- 3:39Speaker 2: one of the sources for today's Deep Dive and it
- 3:42Speaker 2: had this amazing quote. It said that letting go of
- 3:44Speaker 2: the expectation that people have to be perfect, well it
- 3:48Speaker 2: actually allows us to like like them for who they
- 3:51Speaker 2: really are. Yeah, it's so powerful when you think about it.
- 3:54Speaker 3: It really is. When we hold onto those unrealistic expectations,
- 3:59Speaker 3: well we just set ourselves up for disappointment and everyone
- 4:01Speaker 3: around us too. And that's where this thing called cognitive
- 4:04Speaker 3: dissonance comes into play.
- 4:06Speaker 2: Okay, that sounds super technical. Can you break it down
- 4:08Speaker 2: for us non psychology majors.
- 4:10Speaker 3: Okay, I imagine you think you're a really good judge
- 4:12Speaker 3: of character, but then let's say a close friend betrays
- 4:16Speaker 3: your trust. That clash between what you believe and what
- 4:20Speaker 3: actually happened. It creates this uncomfortable tension, and that's cognitive dissonance.
- 4:25Speaker 2: Oh so it's like our brains try to resolve that discomfort,
- 4:29Speaker 2: even if it means I don't know, like twisting this
- 4:31Speaker 2: story or making excuses for the other person exactly.
- 4:34Speaker 3: You might downplay the betrayal or convince yourself that you
- 4:37Speaker 3: just misread the situation. It's all about protecting our existing beliefs,
- 4:41Speaker 3: even if they're not doing us any favors anymore. But
- 4:44Speaker 3: here's the thing that discomfort. As lucky as it is,
- 4:49Speaker 3: it can be a catalyst for growth.
- 4:50Speaker 2: Wait, really, so, how does this expectation versus reality thing
- 4:54Speaker 2: actually mess with our happiness?
- 4:56Speaker 3: Oh? It's sneaky. One way is that even positive expectations
- 5:00Speaker 3: can make us less grateful for the things we do have.
- 5:02Speaker 3: There was a study where they reminded people about how
- 5:05Speaker 3: wealthy they were, and then get this, they actually enjoyed
- 5:07Speaker 3: chocolate less. It's wild. It's like focusing on what's missing
- 5:11Speaker 3: can actually steal the joy from what's like right in
- 5:14Speaker 3: front of us.
- 5:14Speaker 2: WHOA, that's crazy. So even good expectations can backfire. What
- 5:18Speaker 2: else should we watch out for.
- 5:19Speaker 3: Well, we've talked about the whole social media comparison game,
- 5:22Speaker 3: but it's worth repeating those curated feeds. They present such
- 5:26Speaker 3: a distorted view of what's normal, and it can lead
- 5:29Speaker 3: us to expect things that are honestly unrealistic. And then
- 5:33Speaker 3: when our regular lives don't measure up, it's easy to
- 5:36Speaker 3: you know, feel inadequate totally.
- 5:38Speaker 2: It's like everyone else is living their best life and
- 5:40Speaker 2: we're stuck with laundry and bills and you know, traffic jams.
- 5:44Speaker 2: But you know, sometimes I think the sabotage comes from
- 5:48Speaker 2: inside us, you know what I mean, Like we're the
- 5:50Speaker 2: ones setting those impossible standards.
- 5:52Speaker 3: You're talking about self sabotage, right, It's the sneaky way
- 5:55Speaker 3: we set the bar so high that well, we're basically
- 5:58Speaker 3: guaranteed to fall short. It's like imagine a student who
- 6:02Speaker 3: puts off, procrastinates on a huge project even though they
- 6:06Speaker 3: know they can do it well. That's often driven by
- 6:08Speaker 3: a fear of success, like a deep down belief that
- 6:11Speaker 3: they don't deserve to achieve their goals.
- 6:13Speaker 2: Oh wow, So instead of risking the pain of succeeding,
- 6:16Speaker 2: they create this self fulfilling prophecy of like failing. That's sad,
- 6:21Speaker 2: but it kind of makes sense too. What about perfectionism
- 6:24Speaker 2: that seems like a huge part of this whole expectation thing.
- 6:26Speaker 3: Oh yeah, perfectionism, it's like the ultimate trap. It demands flawlessness,
- 6:30Speaker 3: which is of course impossible, and so we end up
- 6:33Speaker 3: in this cycle, you know, this constant cycle of self criticism,
- 6:37Speaker 3: never feeling good enough no matter what we do.
- 6:39Speaker 2: It's like we're so busy chasing this ideal that doesn't
- 6:42Speaker 2: even exist, that we forget to just enjoy the journey,
- 6:45Speaker 2: you know, the messy, imperfect realness of it all. Okay,
- 6:50Speaker 2: this is getting a little heavy. What can we actually
- 6:52Speaker 2: do about this? How do we escape this expectation versus
- 6:55Speaker 2: reality trap?
- 6:56Speaker 3: That's the question, isn't it. Luckily we've got some answers.
- 6:59Speaker 3: All the sources we looked at they offer some really practical,
- 7:02Speaker 3: like actionable steps you can take right now to manage
- 7:05Speaker 3: those expectations and get your happiness back on track.
- 7:09Speaker 2: Okay, I'm all ears give you those actionable steps. What's
- 7:12Speaker 2: step one?
- 7:13Speaker 3: The first step is honestly pretty simple but super powerful
- 7:17Speaker 3: self awareness. Before you like jump into anything, just take
- 7:21Speaker 3: a step to ask yourself, Okay, what am I actually
- 7:23Speaker 3: expecting here? What are my hopes? You know, what are
- 7:25Speaker 3: my fears? What am I like assuming is going to happen?
- 7:29Speaker 2: Oh? Okay, So, like before I give a big presentation
- 7:31Speaker 2: at work, I should pause and think, all right, am
- 7:33Speaker 2: I expecting to completely nail this and everyone's going to
- 7:35Speaker 2: give me a standing ovation? Or am I, you know,
- 7:37Speaker 2: expecting to like trip over my words and feel like
- 7:39Speaker 2: a total imposter?
- 7:40Speaker 3: Exactly? Just bringing those expectations to the surface, just thinking
- 7:44Speaker 3: about them can help you figure out if they're realistic,
- 7:47Speaker 3: if they're helpful, or if maybe just maybe they're setting
- 7:51Speaker 3: you up for like a major disappointment spiral. And speaking
- 7:56Speaker 3: of spirals, let's talk about a powerful antidote, gratitude.
- 8:01Speaker 2: Ooh yes, gratitude. Okay, I love this one. It's like
- 8:04Speaker 2: magic happiness dust. But how does it like actually applied
- 8:09Speaker 2: to managing expectations.
- 8:10Speaker 3: Instead of getting fixated on you know, what's missing or
- 8:13Speaker 3: what went wrong, try shifting your focus to what you appreciate,
- 8:17Speaker 3: even if you know, even when things don't go exactly
- 8:18Speaker 3: as planned. Remember that study we talked about where people
- 8:20Speaker 3: were lessened to the chocolate when they were reminded about
- 8:22Speaker 3: being wealthy. Yeah, gratitude is like the total opposite of that.
- 8:25Speaker 3: It's about savoring the good stuff, no matter how small.
- 8:28Speaker 2: Oh I see. So instead of being all, ugh, my
- 8:30Speaker 2: vacation got rained out, it's more like, hey, I'm so
- 8:33Speaker 2: grateful to be spending time with my family, even if
- 8:35Speaker 2: we're stuck playing board games in the hotel room.
- 8:38Speaker 3: Yeah exactly. And it doesn't have to be these, you know,
- 8:41Speaker 3: huge life changing things. Sometimes it's literally just being thankful
- 8:45Speaker 3: for a warm cup of coffee on I don't know,
- 8:47Speaker 3: a chilly morning. It's about training your brain to focus
- 8:51Speaker 3: on the good stuff instead of what you don't have.
- 8:53Speaker 2: Awesome. So we're practicing self awareness, we're sprinkling gratitude everywhere.
- 8:57Speaker 2: What's the next step in our expectation manager like journey.
- 9:02Speaker 3: Well, we've talked about the social media comparison traps, so
- 9:05Speaker 3: let's make this actionable. You know, set some boundaries with
- 9:08Speaker 3: your online time, unfollow those accounts that make you feel
- 9:11Speaker 3: like less than, and just limit your scrolling in general. Seriously,
- 9:16Speaker 3: remember you're only seeing this like tiny curated sliver of
- 9:19Speaker 3: people's lives.
- 9:20Speaker 2: A good point, it's like choosing to watch, I don't know,
- 9:23Speaker 2: a feel good comedy instead of like a super intense
- 9:26Speaker 2: drama that just leaves you emotionally drained. But what about
- 9:29Speaker 2: those expectations we put on ourselves, you know, internal shoulds
- 9:33Speaker 2: that can be way more sneaky than like external pressure.
- 9:37Speaker 3: Ah, yes, the shoulds. Those are tough. Those are often
- 9:41Speaker 3: expectations that we've like internalized from society, from our families,
- 9:46Speaker 3: even like from our own past experiences. They're like those
- 9:49Speaker 3: little voices in our head that say you should be
- 9:52Speaker 3: thinner or richer, or more successful or less sensitive. The
- 9:56Speaker 3: list goes on it.
- 9:56Speaker 2: Ran It's like carrying around this like invisible rule book,
- 10:00Speaker 2: and it tells us exactly how to live, how to feel,
- 10:02Speaker 2: how to be, and when we don't, you know, when
- 10:04Speaker 2: we inevitably fall short, we feel like total failures.
- 10:08Speaker 3: You got it. So the next step is to like
- 10:11Speaker 3: challenge those shoulds. Ask yourself, Okay, whose voice is this really?
- 10:15Speaker 3: Is this actually aligned with my values? With what I want?
- 10:18Speaker 3: Does this fit with my definition of like a good life?
- 10:21Speaker 3: And if not, give yourself permission to you know, rewrite
- 10:24Speaker 3: the script.
- 10:25Speaker 2: It's not about like lowering our standards, but about making
- 10:28Speaker 2: sure those standards are actually ours, right, not just some
- 10:31Speaker 2: random rules we picked up who knows where. So how
- 10:33Speaker 2: else can we like break free from those internal shoulds?
- 10:36Speaker 3: Setting realistic goals is huge. When we set the bar
- 10:40Speaker 3: crazy high, we're almost guaranteed to fall short, and that
- 10:42Speaker 3: just leads to you know, disappointment and self doubt.
- 10:45Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like starting a marathon without training, you know, yeah,
- 10:48Speaker 2: and then expecting to like win the whole thing, to
- 10:51Speaker 2: hit a wall pretty fast exactly.
- 10:53Speaker 3: But being realistic doesn't mean we have to settle for
- 10:55Speaker 3: like mediocrity. It's about taking a real, honest look at
- 11:00Speaker 3: like your resources, what you're capable of, and how much
- 11:03Speaker 3: time you have. It's about finding that sweet spot between
- 11:07Speaker 3: you know, ambition and what's actually doable.
- 11:10Speaker 2: So instead of I'm going to write a best selling
- 11:12Speaker 2: novel in three months while also working a full time
- 11:14Speaker 2: job and training for a triathon, it's more like, Okay,
- 11:17Speaker 2: I'm going to commit to writing for one hour every
- 11:19Speaker 2: morning and see what happens.
- 11:21Speaker 3: Yeah, perfect example. And when you set smaller, more achievable goals,
- 11:25Speaker 3: while you start creating momentum, right, those little wins they
- 11:28Speaker 3: build your confidence and they give you the motivation to
- 11:30Speaker 3: keep going.
- 11:31Speaker 2: It's like climbing a mountain. You take it one step
- 11:33Speaker 2: at a time. You might not see the summit right away,
- 11:35Speaker 2: but each step you take where you're getting closer, and
- 11:38Speaker 2: it feels way less scary than trying to jump to
- 11:42Speaker 2: the top in one giant leap exactly.
- 11:44Speaker 3: And don't forget those small steps, those little wins, they're
- 11:47Speaker 3: worth celebrating, you know, the proof that you're making progress,
- 11:51Speaker 3: that you're actually capable of, like achieving what you set
- 11:53Speaker 3: out to do.
- 11:54Speaker 2: I'm noticing this theme of like focusing on the process,
- 11:57Speaker 2: not just the outcome. It's like we get it so
- 12:00Speaker 2: fixated on the destination that we forget to, you know,
- 12:03Speaker 2: actually enjoy the journey, the scenery along the way.
- 12:06Speaker 3: That's a great observation, and that's where our next strategy
- 12:08Speaker 3: comes in. Focusing on what you can control. Yeah, so
- 12:12Speaker 3: much of life is, you know, unpredictable. Trying to micromanage
- 12:15Speaker 3: every little thing just leads to stress and anxiety. But
- 12:18Speaker 3: there are things you have control over, and that's where
- 12:20Speaker 3: you got to focus your energy.
- 12:22Speaker 2: So like, I can't control if my boss loves my
- 12:25Speaker 2: presentation or if my date thinks I'm charming, but I
- 12:28Speaker 2: can control how prepared I am, how authentic I am,
- 12:32Speaker 2: how I like show up in those situations.
- 12:35Speaker 3: Exactly. You can control your effort, your attitude, how willing
- 12:39Speaker 3: you are to learn and grow from stuff. And when
- 12:42Speaker 3: you start to focus on those things, the things inside you,
- 12:44Speaker 3: you realize you have way more power than you thought.
- 12:47Speaker 2: It's like taking back the reins, even if we're not,
- 12:49Speaker 2: you know, driving the whole universe.
- 12:50Speaker 3: I like that exactly. It's about realizing that even in
- 12:53Speaker 3: the middle of all the chaos, you know, all the uncertainty,
- 12:56Speaker 3: you still have choices, and even the small choices, well
- 13:00Speaker 3: they can have a ripple effect.
- 13:01Speaker 2: Okay, so we've got realistic goals. We're focusing on what
- 13:04Speaker 2: we can control, what's next on our expectation busting list.
- 13:08Speaker 3: Communication, clear, honest, open communication. It's crucial for managing expectations,
- 13:15Speaker 3: especially in relationships. So many times, you know, unmet expectations
- 13:19Speaker 3: happen because of miscommunication or because we haven't set clear boundaries.
- 13:23Speaker 2: So like if I'm hoping my partner will help out
- 13:25Speaker 2: more around the house, but it never actually you know,
- 13:28Speaker 2: say anything or talk about how we can split the
- 13:30Speaker 2: chores more fairly, while I'm just setting us both up
- 13:32Speaker 2: for resentment right exactly.
- 13:35Speaker 3: We can't expect people to read our minds, right. We
- 13:37Speaker 3: have to be clear about our needs, our expectations, our boundaries,
- 13:41Speaker 3: and just as important, we have to be open to
- 13:43Speaker 3: listening to their needs and boundaries too.
- 13:46Speaker 2: It's like creating this culture of like open and honest
- 13:49Speaker 2: communication where everyone feels safe to say what they need.
- 13:53Speaker 3: You've got it, and you know it's not always easy.
- 13:55Speaker 3: Sometimes it means having those tough conversations or setting boundaries
- 13:59Speaker 3: that might disappoint someone, but honestly being able to communicate clearly,
- 14:03Speaker 3: that's the foundation for healthy, happy relationships.
- 14:07Speaker 2: This is all starting to feel like a puzzle, you know,
- 14:09Speaker 2: all these pieces fitting together. We've got self awareness, gratitude,
- 14:13Speaker 2: being smart about social media, realistic goals, focusing on what
- 14:17Speaker 2: we can control, communications, Like, we're building this toolkit, you know,
- 14:21Speaker 2: for managing expectations and creating a more balanced and joyful life.
- 14:25Speaker 3: And there's one more tool we need to add to
- 14:27Speaker 3: that kit, one that's honestly often overlooked, but it's so important.
- 14:30Speaker 2: Okay, so we've talked about a lot of different strategies,
- 14:33Speaker 2: but you said there's one more tool for our expectation
- 14:35Speaker 2: management toolkit. What's that final piece.
- 14:39Speaker 3: It's knowing when to ask for help. Sometimes that gap
- 14:43Speaker 3: between expectations and reality, it can feel like I don't
- 14:47Speaker 3: know too much, you know, like we're drowning in disappointment
- 14:51Speaker 3: or frustration.
- 14:52Speaker 2: So it's not like a weakness to reach out for help.
- 14:55Speaker 2: It's not like admitting defeat or anything.
- 14:57Speaker 3: No, not at all. It actually takes a lot of
- 14:59Speaker 3: courage to admit you need help and to reach out
- 15:01Speaker 3: to someone who can you know, support you through those
- 15:05Speaker 3: tough times.
- 15:05Speaker 2: It's like admitting we don't have all the answers, like
- 15:08Speaker 2: being willing to ask for directions when we're lost. So like,
- 15:11Speaker 2: what are some signs that maybe is time to talk
- 15:13Speaker 2: to someone.
- 15:14Speaker 3: Well, if you're feeling sad or anxious or hopeless a
- 15:17Speaker 3: lot of the time, or if you're having trouble sleeping
- 15:19Speaker 3: or concentrating or you know, doing the things you used
- 15:22Speaker 3: to enjoy, those are all signs that maybe it's time
- 15:25Speaker 3: to talk to a therapist or you know, a counselor.
- 15:28Speaker 2: So like, if those unmet expectations are starting to affect
- 15:31Speaker 2: our whole life, not just you know, specific situations exactly.
- 15:35Speaker 3: And remember, mental health is just as important as physical health.
- 15:38Speaker 3: There's zero shame in getting help when you need it.
- 15:41Speaker 3: Therapy can be a safe space, a supportive place to
- 15:46Speaker 3: you know, explore those unmet expectations, to learn some healthy
- 15:50Speaker 3: coping mechanisms, and to like create a life that's more
- 15:53Speaker 3: resilient and fulfilling.
- 15:55Speaker 2: Ooh, I like that. It's like having a personal trainer,
- 15:58Speaker 2: but for our minds, helping is build those emotional muscles
- 16:01Speaker 2: to deal with all the ups and downs.
- 16:04Speaker 3: I like that analogy. And just like with a personal trainer,
- 16:06Speaker 3: you got to find a therapist. There's a good fit
- 16:08Speaker 3: for you, right, someone you feel comfortable with, who gets
- 16:10Speaker 3: you and where you're coming from. Don't be afraid to,
- 16:13Speaker 3: you know, try out different therapists until you find one
- 16:16Speaker 3: that feels right.
- 16:17Speaker 2: You know. It's funny, as we've been talking about all
- 16:18Speaker 2: this stuff, it's really hit me how connected all these
- 16:21Speaker 2: strategies are. It's not about picking like just one, it's
- 16:24Speaker 2: about weaving them all together. Yeah, to create this more
- 16:28Speaker 2: holistic approach to managing those expectations.
- 16:31Speaker 3: Yeah, you're totally right. It's about building self awareness, it's
- 16:33Speaker 3: about practicing gratitude, it's about having those healthy boundaries with
- 16:37Speaker 3: social media, setting realistic goals, focusing on what we can
- 16:41Speaker 3: actually control, communicating openly and honestly, and like we were
- 16:45Speaker 3: just saying, knowing when to ask for help. It's you know,
- 16:48Speaker 3: it's multifaceted, and it's a journey, not a destination.
- 16:51Speaker 2: That's true. And just like with any journey, there are
- 16:54Speaker 2: going to be detours, right, unexpected roadblocks, and times when
- 16:58Speaker 2: we feel lost or discouraged. But that's all part of
- 17:01Speaker 2: the process, right. It's often to those tough moments that
- 17:03Speaker 2: we discover how strong we really are, how resilient.
- 17:06Speaker 3: You said it, and never forget you are not alone
- 17:09Speaker 3: on this journey. We all experience this, you know, we
- 17:12Speaker 3: all go through those times when our expectations and reality
- 17:15Speaker 3: don't match up. It's a universal human thing. So let's
- 17:18Speaker 3: all be kind to ourselves, let's support each other, and
- 17:20Speaker 3: let's celebrate this messy, you know, beautiful and ultimately fulfilling
- 17:25Speaker 3: journey of life.
- 17:26Speaker 2: That's beautiful. And on that note, dear listener, we'll leave
- 17:28Speaker 2: you with one final thought provoking question to you know, ponder,
- 17:32Speaker 2: if growth really does come from facing reality head on,
- 17:36Speaker 2: what's one small expectation you can let go of today
- 17:39Speaker 2: just to make space for something new. Something maybe even better.
- 17:43Speaker 3: Remember sometimes letting go is the bravest, most powerful choice
- 17:46Speaker 3: we can make. Until next time, be well and keep exploring.
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