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Gleyber Torres Sets Tone For 50-Win Tigs · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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Speaker 1: And welcome into another episode of Tiger Territory. Part of
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Speaker 1: the Foul Territory, no work at I'm curiously with me
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Speaker 1: as always as a man who just missed being thrown
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Speaker 1: out by Wentzel Perez on his way home tonight.
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Speaker 2: He is Cody saban.
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Speaker 3: Uh Winstoll is only throwing those balls about eighty eighty
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Speaker 3: three miles an hour, so I won't comment on how
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Speaker 3: fast I might have been driving on the highway.
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Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you what, man, I think I think
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Speaker 1: it was actually correct me if I'm wrong. I think
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Speaker 1: it was after work obviously recording this Tuesday night. I
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Speaker 1: think it was after his game tying double that you
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Speaker 1: tweeted out. You know, it's four to four, and a
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Speaker 1: lot of baseball has happened, and you were correct then,
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Speaker 1: but you were not as correct as you would have
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Speaker 1: been later in the game because a lot of baseball
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Speaker 1: did have been after that. Of note, I'm just gonna
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Speaker 1: it's only one game. We're recording this afterward, let's have
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Speaker 1: fun and just kind of highlight some of the stuff
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Speaker 1: that happened, because there were several kind of key story lines.
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Speaker 1: Ish the top of it is the Tigers are a
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Speaker 1: fifty win team and the only as of now fifty
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Speaker 1: win team in Major League Baseball, and they were also
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Speaker 1: the first team in the American League, perhaps Major League Baseball.
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Speaker 1: I saw conflicting tweets about that to score four hundred runs.
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Speaker 1: So those two things, I think we would be surprised
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Speaker 1: that if we predicted that in February twenty fourth, in
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Speaker 1: this being June twenty fourth, but in this game specifically, Cody,
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Speaker 1: you had I love it when we talk about something
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Speaker 1: and then immediately either it gets confirmed or like something
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Speaker 1: happens in the other direction. Cary Carpenter home run, first
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Speaker 1: home run since June second. Again it's June twenty fourth.
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Speaker 1: Riley Green remains tut four hits today, including a deep double.
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Speaker 1: Dylan gets back on the home run parade his third
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Speaker 1: of the month with a three run homer that put
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Speaker 1: the Tigers up for good. Went so Perez a couple
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Speaker 1: of assists. We'll talk about those as well.
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Speaker 2: Terrek Scooble.
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Speaker 1: His biggest enemy being weather delays, but still kind of
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Speaker 1: is able to dial it in there. He gives up
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Speaker 1: the two home runs early and then gets nine in
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Speaker 1: a row. Still finishes with a pedestrian sixth inning six hits,
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Speaker 1: the four runs, eight k's in one walk, and then
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Speaker 1: uh Bias Hovey Bias drew a walk. Cody only his
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Speaker 1: ninth of the season. And I don't know if anyone
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Speaker 1: picked up on this, but I think Zach McKinstry, you know,
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Speaker 1: classic good guy type, right, Zach McKinstry, might have come
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Speaker 1: the closest he's ever come to starting any sort of
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Speaker 1: altercation on a baseball field, because when he got hit
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Speaker 1: by Severino, I felt like he kind of slowly undid
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Speaker 1: the padding and bent over and he I don't know
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Speaker 1: if he was talking to Sevarino, but he said something
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Speaker 1: in the direction of the pitcher and like I said,
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Speaker 1: did not necessarily scoot his way to first base after
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Speaker 1: taking that high inside fastball. So, as we began this
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Speaker 1: podcast by saying, a lot of baseball code, a lot
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Speaker 1: of baseball on a Tuesday night in Detroit.
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Speaker 3: There was a lot. Nothing stood out to me like
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Speaker 3: Wincele Perez, though, a guy we've also talked about recently
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Speaker 3: who is starting to get the credit but maybe still
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Speaker 3: not getting enough credit for being an X factor for
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Speaker 3: keeping this team afloat in some way, not a flow,
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Speaker 3: but like in a period where the offense has lulled
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Speaker 3: a little bit and the pitching is not in a
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Speaker 3: good spot. Winscle just keeps playing really good baseball. You
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Speaker 3: need someone to step up and help you maintain this
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Speaker 3: commanding status in first place. Well, whincel Perez has been
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Speaker 3: that guy. Kieran. He has above one thousand ops since
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Speaker 3: he came off the aisle, which is crazy, and credit
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Speaker 3: to you for being the first person. I already mentioned this.
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Speaker 3: He just looks so much more comfortable in right field.
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Speaker 3: Like it's not obviously he had the highlight plays, but
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Speaker 3: it's just the actions, the movements, Like he looks like
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Speaker 3: he knows what he's doing now and he didn't necessarily
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Speaker 3: last year. Two outfield assists in one inning, both at
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Speaker 3: second base from the same player. I've never seen that before.
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Speaker 3: I'm still waiting on Sarah Lang's or someone to put
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Speaker 3: out the stat that tells me the last time that happened,
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Speaker 3: because I don't even know how to look that up.
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Speaker 3: But look at this play. He gets a little bit
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Speaker 3: of a bad read on the Soderstrom ball, I think.
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Speaker 3: But what he might not have done last year is
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Speaker 3: just recover, chill, play the ball perfectly, make a great throat.
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Speaker 3: It's a sign of someone even if maybe you get
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Speaker 3: a bad read, you know what you're doing out there.
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Speaker 4: And Lee will face the left hander soders Trump first
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Speaker 4: here and he goes after the first pitch high sweeper
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Speaker 4: that's labeled to write. Paraz plays the bounce very well.
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Speaker 4: He's got a shot had he is.
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Speaker 3: Money, Like he just chilled. That ball gets over his
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Speaker 3: head and he just chilled. AJ talking about like he's
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Speaker 3: slowing the game down, and that's exactly what that was.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, on a play like that, I think
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Speaker 1: it's entirely possible to have a bad read because you
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Speaker 1: saw the route there you're watching on YouTube, you can
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Speaker 1: see the video, but he also had an amazing read
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Speaker 1: and knowing the car, you know, the carre m off
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Speaker 1: the wall and exactly how it was going to go.
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Speaker 1: Like he was like he was in the exact perfect
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Speaker 1: spot in order to you know, forget if he gets
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Speaker 1: the guy out, but just like the exact perfect spot
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Speaker 1: to get the ball in. Like that's like there's a
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Speaker 1: runner on first, they're probably not scoring there, you see
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Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like with less than two outs, so
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Speaker 1: because he gets the ball in so quickly, not for
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Speaker 1: nothing though. I know we're talking about wins, but I
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Speaker 1: want to mention that hobby on both tag kind of
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Speaker 1: in a yeah I got you, dude, like this kind
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Speaker 1: of like shows the runner of the ball, like with
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Speaker 1: his mit open like this, I love it.
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Speaker 2: I loved it each time.
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Speaker 1: So so yeah, I mean that's the term like unbelievable
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Speaker 1: or never before seen or whatever when it's the history
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Speaker 1: of baseball and one hundred and sixty two games and
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Speaker 1: all that stuff obviously gets thrown around a lot. But no,
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Speaker 1: I can't remember something like that, and uh, and it
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Speaker 1: kind of overshadowed like how crucial that double was because
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Speaker 1: he had just gotten beat on high heat and he
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Speaker 1: still kind of went for the high heat. But like
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Speaker 1: if he doesn't, you know, if he doesn't, you know,
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Speaker 1: get a base knock there or drive in both runs,
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Speaker 1: like maybe the complexion of the game is a little
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Speaker 1: bit different. And maybe that's the best way to kind
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Speaker 1: of describe the impact of Wentzel Perez on this team.
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Speaker 1: Is that is he your best hit or no? Is
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Speaker 1: he your best fielder?
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Speaker 5: No?
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Speaker 2: Is he your best runner?
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Speaker 5: No?
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Speaker 2: Is he your best pitcher?
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Speaker 5: No?
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Speaker 2: Is he your best catcher?
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Speaker 5: No?
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Speaker 1: But does he does he change the complexion of this
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Speaker 1: team when when when when he's in the lineup and
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Speaker 1: he's doing Winzel Perez things. Yeah, I think he changes
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Speaker 1: the complexion of the team as or as you put it,
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Speaker 1: kind of elevates it above above a certain standard a
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Speaker 1: little bit because he just has a knack for making
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Speaker 1: things happen. And we've talked about the win Cell story,
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Speaker 1: you know, a lot, so we don't have to recap
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Speaker 1: it on you know, every single time he has a
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Speaker 1: great game, but it is, it is something that just
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Speaker 1: pops into my mind every single time. Is that that's
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Speaker 1: one of the more unique story lines that the headliners
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Speaker 1: are the you know, the Torques, the Greens, the Hobbies,
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Speaker 1: the school Bulls for this team, those are the guys
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Speaker 1: on the graphic for the you know, MLB puts out
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Speaker 1: first team to fifty wins. And then you have the
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Speaker 1: carry Carpenter aspect, because you know, that's an out of
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Speaker 1: nowhere story, but the wind Cell is a like kind
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Speaker 1: of like a more immediate out of nowhere and only
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Speaker 1: like kind of Tigers fans are going to know about
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Speaker 1: it because at least Carpenter was ranking for a couple
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Speaker 1: of years there in the minor leagues, whereas Weinzell just
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Speaker 1: kind of popped up and you just kind of had
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Speaker 1: to know he existed beforehand to even have any idea
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Speaker 1: who he was when he got called up last year,
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Speaker 1: and now he's again elevates the team and changes the
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Speaker 1: complexion a little bit. It's uh, it's it's low key
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Speaker 1: one of the more fun aspects of this team because
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Speaker 1: even when breaking camp and he gets hurt, we weren't
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Speaker 1: sure what kind of impact he was going to have
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Speaker 1: and and all that stuff, and he's surpassed even those expectations.
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Speaker 1: And it's fair to say that this team is not
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Speaker 1: where they're at without the contributions of Wenzel Paris.
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Speaker 3: Some one asked Terrek School, did you know Winsell had
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Speaker 3: had a hose like that? And scoobl looked at the
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Speaker 3: camera and he goes, I probably shouldn't say. I probably
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Speaker 3: shouldn't say what I want to say right now.
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Speaker 1: There's there's your there's your Tiger territory off after dark. Uh, well,
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Speaker 1: we'll we'll talk about out sort of the meat of
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Speaker 1: this podcast that we had planned to talk about, because again,
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Speaker 1: only one game, we didn't know we were gonna have
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Speaker 1: as many fun storylines.
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Speaker 2: All right, coming back here.
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Speaker 1: You know, we've been doing these all star series old
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Speaker 1: month Cody midweek podcasts, and uh, we got on Monday
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Speaker 1: an update into the boating and we'll we'll we'll first
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Speaker 1: kind of layout where some of the Tigers are, and
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Speaker 1: then we'll talk about kind of the main guy, which
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Speaker 1: is the one that we've been putting off for a
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Speaker 1: little bit and uh maybe the most second, third, most
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Speaker 1: obvious All Star in this team. But Spencer Trlsen looks
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Speaker 1: like he's not gonna, you know, get there at first base.
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Speaker 1: He's he is in fourth. Let's see shortstop Trey swingeing fifth.
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Speaker 1: That's that's a rising tide lifts all boats right there.
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Speaker 1: Zach McKinstry third at third dase which is which I
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Speaker 1: don't want to dismiss but because it is impressive, but
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Speaker 1: uh but yeah, he's third, and then Riley Green second
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Speaker 1: mentioned he had the four hits today after a hot weekend.
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Speaker 1: And then Hobby Baia's third amongst outfielders. People heard our
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Speaker 1: call and said he deserves it over Mike Trout.
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Speaker 2: But oh and we have the on the graphic on
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Speaker 2: the screen too cold.
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Speaker 1: Keith fourth among designated hitters, which sort of the theme
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Speaker 1: of maybe what makes this Tigers team so fun is
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Speaker 1: that you have these like slots that you know you
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Speaker 1: have to do All Star voting and it's like, well
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Speaker 1: it's cold.
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Speaker 2: Keith like really a DH.
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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, he's he's obviously more than a DH.
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Speaker 1: He plays all around the field, all around the infield
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Speaker 1: is that in kinstry like really a third basement and
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Speaker 1: he plays there a lot, but he can, you can obviously,
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Speaker 1: you know, play other positions. And then Hobby Bias is
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Speaker 1: going to be presumably good chance here a outfield starter,
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Speaker 1: but he's more of a shortstop right now. So that's
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Speaker 1: that's the Scott Harris a j S.
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Speaker 3: Voting was not built to handle hitting chaos.
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Speaker 1: There you go, So really impressive all around from the Tigers,
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Speaker 1: but one that we've just kind of overlooks not the
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Speaker 1: right expression because we had planned to do this earlier
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Speaker 1: actually last week, but then Hobby had two home runs,
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Speaker 1: so we had the pivot. But labor Torres. Labor Torres
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Speaker 1: was a kind of like, oh, okay, you know, signing interesting,
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Speaker 1: you know, the Yankee stuff. We recapped all that, but
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Speaker 1: he is having himself Cody one hell of a season,
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Speaker 1: even if you were optimistic about the signing at the time.
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Speaker 1: So he leads second basement and voting by a good margin.
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Speaker 1: Our boy Jackson Holiday number two. Jose Altuve another kind
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Speaker 1: of one of those what position? Is he really a
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Speaker 1: distant third there as well. Here's what Glen has been doing.
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Speaker 1: This is entering the week, so had a little bit
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Speaker 1: of a change. But he among American League first basemen,
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Speaker 1: he is first in average, he is first in on base,
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Speaker 1: he is second in slugging, and he is first in ops.
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Speaker 1: He has a one to twenty nine OPS plus and
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Speaker 1: a one thirty three w RC plus. You see the
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Speaker 1: graphics right up there for Glabor's sports just.
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Speaker 3: For games at second base, so don't games he's DH
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Speaker 3: That's why the numbers are slightly off. But he's lapping
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Speaker 3: pretty much americanly second baseman in most everything. Although Daniel
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Speaker 3: Schneman shout out, I didn't. I didn't realize his numbers
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Speaker 3: were quite this good in quite a few fewer played
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Speaker 3: appearances than Glabor. But Labor is going to start the
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Speaker 3: All Star Game here in which is I think you
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Speaker 3: brought this up like it's validation for him. Right for
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Speaker 3: coming here, and it's validation I think for Scott Harris
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Speaker 3: for signing Labor instead of a first baseman the guy
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Speaker 3: I wanted, Christian Walker who dodged a bullet there.
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Speaker 4: Uh.
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Speaker 3: Paul Goldschman actually has been kind of killing it, but
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Speaker 3: no one was counting on the Tourgelesen resurrection the way
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Speaker 3: we've seen it. Glaber's ended up being quite the good move.
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Speaker 3: And just talking about the on base percentage, which is
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Speaker 3: the thing I liked about him most. It's above three eighty. Like,
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Speaker 3: the guy is just so steady. We've talked before about
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Speaker 3: the leadership presence, the things he's doing in the hitters meetings,
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Speaker 3: but the Tigers have not had a player in my
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Speaker 3: time covering them. I don't think who gives this level
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Speaker 3: of consistent quality at bats and is able to get
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Speaker 3: on base like you talk about like the ones they like.
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Speaker 3: Changing the complexion of the lineup. Having a guy who's
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Speaker 3: written in at leadoff or the two spot who you
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Speaker 3: just know is probably going to get on base at
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Speaker 3: least once that night is kind of a game changer.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he is.
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Speaker 1: He's as steady as he is remarkable, Like you know
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Speaker 1: today he didn't do anything special, but he was two
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Speaker 1: for five, so that bat and average went up, you
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Speaker 1: know what I mean. And that's essentially what you get
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Speaker 1: every day, like you said, with the at bats, And
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Speaker 1: one of the things I wanted to point out, like
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Speaker 1: if you just go and look at you know, American
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Speaker 1: League second basement, you look at various like you know,
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Speaker 1: like the hitting numbers or the hitting advanced metrics, and
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Speaker 1: he's obviously up there as we describe. But if you
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Speaker 1: just look at base on balls among American League second basement,
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Speaker 1: he's first forty. Number two is Marcus Simeon. Number three
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Speaker 1: is Christian Campbell. Simeon, although he did have a little
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Speaker 1: bit of a stretch where he was getting better, is
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Speaker 1: obviously not playing like Marcus Simeon that that we know
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Speaker 1: and love. And then Campbell just got demoted to triple A.
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Speaker 1: So it's like, so the patient ask some of the
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Speaker 1: patient aspects of being at the plate. He is above
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Speaker 1: guys that aren't actually hitting two. See what I'm saying,
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Speaker 1: So like like an idea of the complete profile that
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Speaker 1: that Glaber gives and you know, the defense metrics aren't
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Speaker 1: going to obviously impress you. He is a below average defender.
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Speaker 1: But I will say I don't think it's a lack
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Speaker 1: of feel. I don't think it's a lack of I
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Speaker 1: don't think it's like a lack of baseball IQ, which
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Speaker 1: was one of the things I think we were concerned about.
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Speaker 2: Or I definitely know Yankees fans.
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Speaker 3: Were I was, and I had seen it, and I
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Speaker 3: knew the reputation along Yankees fans and side in the
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Speaker 3: World Series. Labor is a far less frustrating player than
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Speaker 3: I thought he was going to be, at least in Detroit.
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Speaker 3: He has been consistent and steady, and he's been in
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Speaker 3: some ways a good base runner. I'm not sure exactly
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Speaker 3: what the metrics say right now, but I think he's
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Speaker 3: running the bases better than he did with the Yankees.
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Speaker 3: And he's talking about he's talked about how like the
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Speaker 3: culture here has made him a better or more aggressive
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Speaker 3: base runner. He's been over aggressive a couple of times,
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Speaker 3: but small things. You know. The fielding is what it is.
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Speaker 3: But yeah, it's not like he's making mental mistakes. It's
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Speaker 3: not like he's he's reckless on the base paths or
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Speaker 3: in the field. Ever, Like he is steady, he is
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Speaker 3: in control, like you can have about the.
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Speaker 1: Many guys don't play to their ability, you know what
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Speaker 1: I mean, Like Labor, Labor in every single aspect of
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Speaker 1: the game, all the five tools, plays to his ability.
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Speaker 1: And like and if you in a weird way, if
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Speaker 1: you could get twenty six of those guys, you probably
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Speaker 1: get the fifty wins a little bit sitterer that the
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Speaker 1: Tigers did, you know what I mean, Like just everybody
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Speaker 1: plays to their ability. You know exactly what you're getting
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Speaker 1: from Labor, like like we said, and the one thing
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Speaker 1: that like is that you can't quantify is okay, So
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Speaker 1: four hundred runs, fifty wins, this Tigers team has surpassed
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Speaker 1: all expectations, regarded as the number one team or one
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Speaker 1: of the number one teams in Major League Baseball with
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Speaker 1: a lot of the same guys from last season, you know,
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Speaker 1: basically all the same except for except for Glabor in
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Speaker 1: the starting lineup. And you can attribute that to basically
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Speaker 1: two things, and you kind of and they're both true,
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Speaker 1: but it's like you kind of you just have to
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Speaker 1: either say it's maturation of the.
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Speaker 2: Young players, which I think we've seen, and.
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Speaker 1: It's Glabor like like those like, like why are the
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Speaker 1: Tigers all of a sudden one of the best run
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Speaker 1: scoring teams in baseball after slogging through many of the
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Speaker 1: past several years. Well, it's maturation and it's Glabor and
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Speaker 1: I think those two things. I don't think those are
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Speaker 1: independent clauses, Cody, I think those things are are are
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Speaker 1: I think they're related because I mean, you hear about
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Speaker 1: you know, his you know talk, you know, clubhouse impact
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Speaker 1: and you know BP impact and all that stuff, And
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Speaker 1: it's hard from the outside.
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Speaker 2: To kind of see that.
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Speaker 1: But like, if if Glaber is in the batting cage,
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Speaker 1: he's one of he's one of I don't know two
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Speaker 1: three guys on this team that every single pair of
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Speaker 1: eyeballs ought to be looking at because there's there's obviously
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Speaker 1: something that he's doing right that you know, everyone ought
19:14
Speaker 1: to take from him. And you know, does this have
19:17
Speaker 1: the impact on Hobby, Does this have the impact on Green?
19:20
Speaker 2: You know, all of this stuff not.
19:21
Speaker 1: Necessarily No, it sounds good to say, but at the
19:24
Speaker 1: same time, there's not a huge list of reasons why
19:28
Speaker 1: the like, to bring it back to the original point,
19:30
Speaker 1: there's not a huge list of reasons why the why
19:33
Speaker 1: this team is done so well offensively other than Maturation
19:37
Speaker 1: and Glabor Torres and they and you can't tell me
19:40
Speaker 1: they're not related in some way.
19:42
Speaker 3: For sure, Glabor Torres is going to start to start
19:45
Speaker 3: the ulcer game. How many other Tigers are are going
19:48
Speaker 3: to be starters? Riley Green looking like it right now,
19:51
Speaker 3: Hobby Baya is right there looking like it. So those guys,
19:56
Speaker 3: you could have a couple other guys sneak on the roster.
19:59
Speaker 3: I think the question we'll talk about probably a whole
20:01
Speaker 3: other episode, like will schoobl start the All Star Game?
20:04
Speaker 3: I think everyone in Detroit here probably thinks he should, right,
20:09
Speaker 3: they can again, like Max Freed or Garrett Crochet, I
20:12
Speaker 3: think people in Detroit should be pretty creche.
20:16
Speaker 1: To his credit, did have a nice outing tonight and
20:19
Speaker 1: on the on the West coast. But yeah, I mean
20:22
Speaker 1: there's you know, it's funny. I mentioned that Hank Greenberg
20:25
Speaker 1: book that I read recently a couple of times. Back
20:28
Speaker 1: in the day, like it was the All Star Game
20:31
Speaker 1: was basically just the previous season's recognition. Uh, it's not
20:35
Speaker 1: that as much now, but obviously reputations and and all
20:39
Speaker 1: that stuff play apart.
20:40
Speaker 2: I think it would look odd to not have Schooble.
20:44
Speaker 1: Uh start the All Star Game as the ranking Cy
20:47
Speaker 1: Young as the Cy Young favorite.
20:49
Speaker 2: That would be uh.
20:53
Speaker 1: I want to say baseball malpractice, but I'm not gonna
20:56
Speaker 1: say it.
20:57
Speaker 2: Would it be?
20:58
Speaker 1: So that would be uh, that would be my case there.
21:04
Speaker 1: And then you know what, why don't we give a
21:06
Speaker 1: little bit more love to Zach McKinstry. Yeah, and here
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Speaker 1: The Tigers have three position players with at least a
21:57
Speaker 1: two point zero war as of now June twenty fourth.
22:01
Speaker 2: He hadn't end the June twenty fifth.
22:03
Speaker 1: Sir Riley Green makes sense, Hobby bias okay, and Zach
22:09
Speaker 1: mckisstry with a two point zero war. He is your
22:15
Speaker 1: third baseman this year. Obviously, you know he probably would
22:19
Speaker 1: probably thanks to Hobby. He's not playing hardly any shortstop
22:22
Speaker 1: really had you know that we figured that was going
22:25
Speaker 1: to be part of his profile. You know, I mentioned
22:27
Speaker 1: him kind of, you know, in jest about like maybe
22:29
Speaker 1: he could have started an altercation today, but like, he
22:34
Speaker 1: has not had like the hot hot He kind of
22:36
Speaker 1: got robbed of an RBI today by official score, but
22:41
Speaker 1: he has not had like the hot, hot, hot hot streak.
22:44
Speaker 1: But only he's actually been as steady as anybody in
22:49
Speaker 1: this lineup. And I don't think we're talking about him enough.
22:52
Speaker 3: No, yeah, you're right. I mean he got off to
22:54
Speaker 3: a pretty hot start, right and then he cooled way off.
22:58
Speaker 3: May he hit two hundred kind like, all right, we're
23:00
Speaker 3: back to earth with Zach McKinstry. We've come to appreciate
23:04
Speaker 3: him for what he is. But you know, well, in
23:07
Speaker 3: June he's hitting two eighty eight, he has an eight
23:10
Speaker 3: h three ops. He's returned to being really good. So
23:14
Speaker 3: we've had three months this season, two thirds of the season.
23:17
Speaker 3: Zach McKinstry has been playing at a near all star level.
23:22
Speaker 3: Like it's become for real. I mean we've talked before
23:28
Speaker 3: about like all the little things he does, all the
23:30
Speaker 3: things you like, you know, the part of me that
23:35
Speaker 3: before the season was kind of ready. I think maybe
23:38
Speaker 3: the Tigers have outgrown the need for a McKinstry esque
23:41
Speaker 3: player on their roster has been I don't even want
23:45
Speaker 3: to say it's proven wrong. I just think Zach McKinstry
23:48
Speaker 3: has grown his game across the board. We've talked about
23:52
Speaker 3: he's hitting left, he's way better. He barely played against
23:55
Speaker 3: left handers last year. Now he's in there almost every time,
23:58
Speaker 3: and he's holding his own. He's hitting for average, he's
24:01
Speaker 3: hitting for some extra base power. Only four home runs,
24:04
Speaker 3: but he's got he has seven triples, Karen like. He
24:08
Speaker 3: of course plays all over the field.
24:12
Speaker 4: Uh.
24:13
Speaker 3: He could be a candidate for the utility goal glove.
24:15
Speaker 3: I think Avey Baias might win that one this year
24:18
Speaker 3: unless something changes in the second half. But yeah, like again,
24:23
Speaker 3: any time you want to write off zech McKinstry, he
24:27
Speaker 3: finds a way to just keep producing. So after cool May,
24:30
Speaker 3: he's come right back. In June he's been he's been
24:33
Speaker 3: productive for the Tigers.
24:35
Speaker 1: Yeah.
24:36
Speaker 2: You know, whenever.
24:39
Speaker 1: You know, guys like this have surprising or you know,
24:43
Speaker 1: exceed like what my expectations were. I always try to
24:47
Speaker 1: do a little bit of a self evaluation and kind
24:50
Speaker 1: of see, like how can I take this and learn
24:52
Speaker 1: from it as I think about the game, as I
24:55
Speaker 1: talk about the game, and and and the Paarize saying
24:59
Speaker 1: I mentioned, and it applies to to McKinstry as well
25:03
Speaker 1: then to.
25:04
Speaker 2: Bias all these like surprising stories.
25:06
Speaker 1: It's like Taurres, It's like, I don't know, man, maybe
25:11
Speaker 1: maybe just like don't overlook someone just being a ballplayer.
25:14
Speaker 2: That's not like it's not really analytical.
25:17
Speaker 1: It's not like kind of it's it's not gonna like
25:20
Speaker 1: make great headlines on podcasts or news articles. But if
25:25
Speaker 1: a guy just does all these things, he's gonna be
25:28
Speaker 1: able to find an impact.
25:29
Speaker 2: And and sometimes you're always looking to.
25:34
Speaker 1: You know, like the grass is not always greener type
25:36
Speaker 1: deal for some of these what you anticipate is sort
25:39
Speaker 1: of the back end of the roster dudes. And like,
25:42
Speaker 1: there is obviously a reason that the Tigers brought him
25:46
Speaker 1: back at the number that they brought him back to.
25:48
Speaker 1: Even then we were like, huh, you know, uh, so
25:53
Speaker 1: don't don't overlook just the guys that bring some semblance
25:58
Speaker 1: of value to to to the team in various facets,
26:02
Speaker 1: and especially if the Tigers have a system that they
26:05
Speaker 1: believe in, which obviously they do, like these things tend
26:08
Speaker 1: to like go in their favor. Like that's that's like,
26:11
Speaker 1: that's like the mckissory lesson, the pair has lesson to
26:14
Speaker 1: a certain extent, the Torres lesson, the buyers lesson. In
26:17
Speaker 1: addition that probably just being healthy. Uh, those are the
26:20
Speaker 1: things that stand out to me. And and I did
26:24
Speaker 1: want to kind of circle back to Carry for a
26:26
Speaker 1: second because I had to feel good for Carrie to
26:29
Speaker 1: to get off the home run snide.
26:31
Speaker 2: Uh.
26:31
Speaker 1: You know, he set up by Colet Keith getting getting
26:35
Speaker 1: on base there as well. In a way, I think
26:42
Speaker 1: it's a good thing for the Tigers that they can
26:45
Speaker 1: kind of ride and it's not just Carrie but like
26:48
Speaker 1: ride these various ebbs and flows, and like like when
26:52
Speaker 1: Carrie is not is not producing power, which he was
26:56
Speaker 1: not really this month, like give give her, you know,
26:59
Speaker 1: take away one game.
27:00
Speaker 2: Basically he has no power in the month of June
27:03
Speaker 2: and the.
27:04
Speaker 3: First since the three homer game on June second.
27:07
Speaker 1: Yes, so like you can ride that out and still
27:11
Speaker 1: be able to have, you know, get out for your
27:14
Speaker 1: kind of offensive snide a little bit, which again there
27:16
Speaker 1: was a time they're barely getting four runs a game
27:18
Speaker 1: and maintain a winning style like Carry's going to get hot,
27:23
Speaker 1: so like it might be when Riley has a cool
27:27
Speaker 1: July or something like that and.
27:28
Speaker 2: Then Carry goes off.
27:29
Speaker 1: You know, I mean, like this this is a very
27:31
Speaker 1: supportive team, the way it's structured and the and the
27:35
Speaker 1: way that aj utilized these guys different lineup spots, you know,
27:39
Speaker 1: different utilizations. Riley with a hit offf of left to
27:42
Speaker 1: today shout out. So so yeah, I think that's actually
27:46
Speaker 1: kind of a good thing in a way, Like you
27:48
Speaker 1: want Carrie to produce a little bit more than he
27:50
Speaker 1: then he has. But at the same time, if you're
27:53
Speaker 1: still winning and you're confident in Carrie the hitter, like
27:57
Speaker 1: it's gonna turn around and then July twenty fourth, we're
28:00
Speaker 1: going to talk about Carrie possibly being like, you know,
28:03
Speaker 1: American League Player of the Month or something.
28:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just how it ghosts.
28:06
Speaker 3: Wouldn't wouldn't rule it out. That's one of those sports
28:08
Speaker 3: cliches you hear guys for like, you know, any night,
28:11
Speaker 3: it could be a different guy, And you hear that
28:14
Speaker 3: in baseball, and you hear that in basketball, but it's
28:18
Speaker 3: pretty true with this Teiger team. And that's one one
28:21
Speaker 3: of the cliches I like believe because I've watched it
28:24
Speaker 3: for several months now where it feels like it can
28:28
Speaker 3: be a different guy at any given time. And it
28:30
Speaker 3: is baseball, so you're going to have the ebbs and flows.
28:33
Speaker 3: That's where the thing that amazes me is we know
28:37
Speaker 3: Riley Green is really good, and we know Kerry Carpenter
28:40
Speaker 3: is really good, and we know what Spencer turtles and
28:42
Speaker 3: can do. But it's the mckinstries, it's the Winstle Perez,
28:46
Speaker 3: it's the Hoavey Baiaz, Dylan Dingler, the unexpected guys who
28:51
Speaker 3: have stepped up and contributed in very big ways. That
28:56
Speaker 3: is impressive to me. That I think is kind of
28:59
Speaker 3: a backbone one of the team and the and the
29:01
Speaker 3: reason they've been the best team in baseball so far
29:05
Speaker 3: in this first half.
29:06
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, sometimes that cliche stuff, sometimes the
29:10
Speaker 1: things you just described can.
29:12
Speaker 2: Be can be boring.
29:14
Speaker 1: Uh oh, well, you know the labor veteran leadership, Okay, whatever,
29:18
Speaker 1: Every team has veteran leadership, but it's actually exciting. Like
29:21
Speaker 1: they they've kind of made the cliche overuse things exciting
29:26
Speaker 1: this year. And and that's and that's as and that's
29:29
Speaker 1: as much a reason as the f fifty wins as anything.
29:32
Speaker 1: So we're we're basically at the halfway point and the
29:36
Speaker 1: Tigers no signs are slowing down. Man, except for the
29:40
Speaker 1: weather apparently, but we don't talk about weather on this podcast.
29:43
Speaker 3: Pitching, there's smarter pitching. Yeah, well that's what July isp
29:48
Speaker 3: We're gonna talk about that all July. Do you want
29:51
Speaker 3: to talk about Terry Scooble's legacy, Karen, Do you want
29:53
Speaker 3: to talk about I.
29:55
Speaker 1: Was gonna say, who has more on the line than
29:57
Speaker 1: twenty twenty.
29:58
Speaker 2: Five Legacy School or Deck Scott? We'll talk about this.
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