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Dick Campbell · Not Another Football Podcast

• 0:05
  Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of Not Another Football Podcast with myself,
• 0:08
  Speaker 1: Simon Donnelly and Jackie McNamara And we're delighted to have
• 0:12
  Speaker 1: one of our old gaffers, Mr Dick Campbell with us today,
• 0:16
  Speaker 1: how are you?
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  Speaker 2: Delighted to be here, it's good to see you too,
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  Speaker 2: looking not too impressed with the beards I've got to
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  Speaker 2: say You'd never go away with that down to me,
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  Speaker 2: but yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Good to see you That's what I was saying, that
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  Speaker 1: was my first memory when you signed me at Partick
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  Speaker 1: Thistle Bonny I'm 30 plus, so I regard myself as
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  Speaker 1: a senior pro and I'm walking up the stairs at
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  Speaker 1: Fir Hill and the first guy I met was a
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  Speaker 1: bone collector, Jimmy Bone.
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  Speaker 2: Jimmy. And he went like that.
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  Speaker 3: Who's that in here?
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  Speaker 2: Jimson.
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  Speaker 3: Getting that shaved out.
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  Speaker 2: I went home that day and thought, I'm 30 plus,
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  Speaker 2: I'm getting telt. You better get shaved. I couldn't grow
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  Speaker 2: a beard when I was playing. Neither could I. That's
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  Speaker 2: what they wanted. I was a big one to talk to,
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  Speaker 2: starting with signing Simon. Standards. I think we were in Mallorca.
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  Speaker 2: It was where he called me Drummond's place. He had
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  Speaker 2: the bronze bar. And there was a chat about Simon.
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  Speaker 2: And I got to him in the pub. I think
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  Speaker 2: there was a couple of vodka and cokes involved in it.
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  Speaker 2: Just a couple.
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  Speaker 4: That's quite a dangerous bar that, the bronze bar. You
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  Speaker 4: were in there and you signed for Dunfermline.
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  Speaker 2: From that bar?
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  Speaker 4: I was in there and signed for Aberdeen.
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  Speaker 2: Signed for Partick? Partick it was. Partick, sorry. I was
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  Speaker 2: in there and signed for Aberdeen. With Jimmy? Jimmy Calderwood.
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  Speaker 3: I think Jimmy was there that time.
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  Speaker 2: I could talk about him later on.
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  Speaker 3: I think Jimmy was there at that time as well.
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  Speaker 3: It was a gang of ye's.
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  Speaker 2: That was a great pub. That was Bobby Drummond, the
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  Speaker 2: wee Mosbah. They go to Magaluf with us. Bobby had
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  Speaker 2: that pub. But that, I can always remember. It was
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  Speaker 2: in the papers that Dick had signed Simon from a
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  Speaker 2: pub in Spain, you know. But the actual... Who was
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  Speaker 2: your agent again? I don't know if I had one. Ah,
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  Speaker 2: you did. Raymond Sparks. Raymond. That's who it was, Raymond.
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  Speaker 2: He was all right. He was still there.
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  Speaker 3: I thought it was you. I thought you were my
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  Speaker 3: agent at that point. You were saying Dick.
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  Speaker 2: No. No, it was... I probably put you on. I
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  Speaker 2: put you on. It was Raymond. Well, Raymond... I'd known him,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and he'd come away, and famous to Simon,
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  Speaker 2: and that's why I love him so much. Raymond hit
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  Speaker 2: me with a big step, and I'm, well, he's on this,
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  Speaker 2: and he's on that, and he'll need to do that,
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  Speaker 2: that's not what we're looking for, and the rest of it,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm just about to give it, get yourself to,
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  Speaker 2: I can't afford him, and Simon jumped in and said, no, Raymond,
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  Speaker 2: take what Dick's offered and I'll never forget it I've
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  Speaker 2: never heard a player ever interrupt these agents and tell
• 3:02
  Speaker 2: them but I suppose it was a mark of respect
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  Speaker 2: to myself and my relationship with Simon It.
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  Speaker 1: Was actually my most out with Celtic was obviously my
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  Speaker 1: big moment in my career it was actually the most
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  Speaker 1: happiest I was anywhere else apart it was a good
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  Speaker 1: bunch of boys enjoyed my football there it.
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  Speaker 3: Was good it really was And you came along.
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  Speaker 2: That was a good bit later. A wee while after.
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  Speaker 2: That was a funny club. Good club.
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  Speaker 5: At that time, I'm very impressed with what's happening just
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  Speaker 5: now with them.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're doing well.
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  Speaker 2: But at that time, you weren't sure if you were
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  Speaker 2: half a Celtic or half a Rangers supporter. It fell
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  Speaker 2: out of them. They went to support Barry Griffin. But
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  Speaker 2: Brian McMaster was there. He was the president of the SFA. And,
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  Speaker 2: of course, Lambie. I always remember Lambie when he came
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  Speaker 2: to you. Get my face breaking, you know, it was
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  Speaker 2: four o'clock in the morning when he left, he goes,
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  Speaker 2: my name to the ball. Oh, I enjoyed that. We
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  Speaker 2: were certainly.
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  Speaker 1: You'd just got up, see, before I had just signed,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just remembering now it's coming back, the year before
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  Speaker 1: you were just, you came up through.
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  Speaker 3: The playoffs at the last minute, was it?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I took the job in February and I think
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  Speaker 2: we were eight points behind at the bottom and we
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  Speaker 2: went down with a point. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Drew Hart, last game of the season. We should have
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  Speaker 5: won that day anyway.
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  Speaker 2: And we came up on next season in the playoff.
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  Speaker 1: That's right, I remember watching it. Because I knew I
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  Speaker 1: was coming.
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  Speaker 2: Aye.
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  Speaker 1: And obviously you were going up to the first division,
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  Speaker 1: weren't you?
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  Speaker 2: You were getting promoted to the first division. It was
• 4:44
  Speaker 2: a funny story. See that again. It was the strangest
• 4:50
  Speaker 2: thing I've ever done. Last week, until I got sacked,
• 4:55
  Speaker 2: I was probably the longest serving manager in Britain in
• 4:58
  Speaker 2: terms of games. 8,600, whatever that is. And we had
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  Speaker 2: drawn at Fairhill in the first leg of the playoffs.
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  Speaker 2: So we're going up there. We must have had 4,000
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  Speaker 2: fans up there, apparently, maybe more. Anyway, we're sitting at
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  Speaker 2: the game. And they had a few well-known players in
• 5:26
  Speaker 2: their team, if you think of them. We had Bobby
• 5:28
  Speaker 2: Lineny and we were all playing for Peterhead. And it
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  Speaker 2: was a great atmosphere, but with eight minutes to go
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  Speaker 2: or something, or five minutes to go, we need to
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  Speaker 2: score a.
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  Speaker 3: Goal, right?
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  Speaker 2: To keep us alive. And the fans were getting me
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  Speaker 2: a tight, right? And the strangest thing, Simon, I've ever done,
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  Speaker 2: or any decision I've ever made, I took my two
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  Speaker 2: centre-halves off. I took them off. I had to. I
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  Speaker 2: needed a goal or it was pointless. And I put
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  Speaker 2: Paul Ritchie on. Right. Just on the park. They're clean through.
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  Speaker 2: Bobby Lynn rounds the goalkeeper and fucking hits the post. Seriously.
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  Speaker 2: And Paul Ritchie scored in injury time to make extra time.
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  Speaker 2: and the rest is history.
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  Speaker 3: All the fans.
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  Speaker 2: Had started to make their way home but they were
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  Speaker 2: halfway down the road to tell me. My boys were
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  Speaker 2: there when they heard that. And the rest was magnificent.
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  Speaker 2: And we won. We won the penalty kicks. And it's
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  Speaker 2: the biggest carry I've ever seen. We stopped at Tesco's
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  Speaker 2: and had the big honestly. The directors filled up that.
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  Speaker 2: When I got home at night, there was a big
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  Speaker 2: party in my house and the rest of it. But
• 6:54
  Speaker 2: Thistle deserved it. They hang in there. They should have
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  Speaker 2: won it anyway. There were a lot of part-time teams
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  Speaker 2: in it, but it's part and parcel to football.
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  Speaker 3: And you must have had, well, we'll talk about that.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously, in your long-spanning career as a manager, you must
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  Speaker 1: have had so many of those types of moments.
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  Speaker 3: But can we take you back to your playing days,
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  Speaker 3: first of all?
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  Speaker 2: I always never do.
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  Speaker 1: Did you always see yourself as a kind of a
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  Speaker 1: leader that would go into the coaching side of management
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  Speaker 1: or was that something that just kind.
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  Speaker 2: Of to be honest with you I was never ever
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  Speaker 2: a good player I played 440 reserve games.
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  Speaker 6: What position were you I played we won the Scottish
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  Speaker 6: Cup at under 16 level big leachman and all the
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  Speaker 6: boys all played for my brother and I scored 80
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  Speaker 6: 103 goals I was a striker then right.
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  Speaker 2: And I went and signed for Dundee United. Man, United
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  Speaker 2: will never want me. As a striker, didn't work out.
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  Speaker 2: And then in midfield, I think I played 150 with
• 8:01
  Speaker 2: Cowan Beeson, maybe 156 with Breakin' in midfield. Right. And
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  Speaker 2: then as you get older.
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  Speaker 3: Working your way back.
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  Speaker 2: Working your way back. I was a competitor.
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  Speaker 5: Shorts would have been a dirty bastard.
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  Speaker 2: I was a competitor. Nobody ever, ever had to... Test
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  Speaker 2: my commitment. I can honestly say that. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: what used to happen to me. Come three o'clock when
• 8:25
  Speaker 2: that whistle went, it was just a mindset for me
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  Speaker 2: to switch on. And I've always demanded that of everybody else,
• 8:33
  Speaker 2: as you two all know. Went to the Indy United,
• 8:37
  Speaker 2: didn't work out. I think, you know, when I went
• 8:43
  Speaker 2: to the Indy United, That was where my friendship with
• 8:46
  Speaker 2: Wyatt Smith came in. And as everybody knows, I was
• 8:51
  Speaker 2: part of his funeral stuff. And he was just, he
• 8:57
  Speaker 2: was 21 and we all stayed in the Broughton Ferry,
• 9:01
  Speaker 2: Safefield Road. In Diggs. In Diggs, in a big house.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm telling you, Wyatt was 21, I was 16.
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  Speaker 2: Even then, the leadership qualities for Wyatt was not there.
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  Speaker 2: I was a shipwright for trade and when I went
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  Speaker 2: to Dundee United, I went, my dad always said to me,
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  Speaker 2: get yourself a trade son, then you get up your
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  Speaker 2: trade and all that rest of it.
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  Speaker 5: So I was halfway through my apprenticeship when I went
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  Speaker 5: to Dundee United.
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  Speaker 2: So to complete my apprenticeship, in the afternoons I used
• 9:30
  Speaker 2: to go to Rob Caledon and that kept me going
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  Speaker 2: and all that rest of it. But what I did then,
• 9:37
  Speaker 2: see if you want to do that, stay at 5
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  Speaker 2: to 9 in the morning. You had to fucking run
• 9:43
  Speaker 2: for it. to Broughty Ferry, to Tannery. That's a fair cabbie.
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  Speaker 2: He was fantastic. And he had that qualities about him.
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  Speaker 2: Even then at 21?
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  Speaker 3: Then?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, he was just a lovely, lovely, I never had
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  Speaker 2: a night goes by that I didn't, you know, he
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  Speaker 2: was a good, good, good friend of mine. And then
• 10:03
  Speaker 2: I went back to Cowdenbeath. I had to go to
• 10:06
  Speaker 2: Cowdenbeath for my first abound. And we had 14,000 at Falkirk, Cowdenbeath, 14,000
• 10:14
  Speaker 2: at Central Park. MacArthur and the Goals. Jim MacArthur. MacArthur,
• 10:23
  Speaker 2: McLaughlin and Jack. Campbell, Cannell, Moore. Lane, Dixon, Mullen, Bostock
• 10:30
  Speaker 2: and Ross. That was my debut team. I mean, that
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  Speaker 2: was in 17. And they're all legends at Cowanbeef. These
• 10:37
  Speaker 2: boys will never remember them, but they were great players
• 10:40
  Speaker 2: in Cowanbeef. So I'd left Indy United and I went
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  Speaker 2: to Cowanbeef and I signed for them the day before
• 10:46
  Speaker 2: my 17th birthday and I signed the Thursday It started
• 10:50
  Speaker 2: me in the Saturday. Andy Matthews loved me for some reason.
• 10:53
  Speaker 2: Alec Ferguson's a good friend of Andy Matthews. Right. They
• 10:57
  Speaker 2: all talk, Alec talks about it. Andy used to love
• 11:01
  Speaker 2: Dick because Dick could get in about them and this
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  Speaker 2: and that.
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  Speaker 5: I suppose I was like that, Simon.
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  Speaker 3: It was in your nature.
• 11:06
  Speaker 2: It was, it was one of the ones. I never
• 11:10
  Speaker 2: gave Jake any else bar enthusiasm. Never gave you any
• 11:14
  Speaker 2: else bar natural enthusiasm for football. And, eh, The rest
• 11:20
  Speaker 2: is history, you know. Went to, fed under United to Dunfermline.
• 11:25
  Speaker 2: Two grand I got. Two grand for signing. Right?
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  Speaker 5: There's nine of us in the family. I bought everybody, right?
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  Speaker 5: I gave them all a hundred quid.
• 11:36
  Speaker 2: Brilliant.
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  Speaker 5: I didn't leave them with much.
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  Speaker 2: You can buy, you can buy a house with that.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe two houses with that kind of money, you know.
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  Speaker 2: But I tell the story when I'm doing these dinners
• 11:51
  Speaker 2: and everything that I see the boathouses. But instead, I
• 11:55
  Speaker 2: phoned up Pink, my son Brenna, and I phoned up
• 11:58
  Speaker 2: Elisha and said, see you two. Pack your bags, we're
• 12:01
  Speaker 2: going to Hoorn and Doorn. So I blew the lot.
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  Speaker 2: Seriously blew the lot. Went to Benidorm with Elisha and
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  Speaker 2: Pink for three weeks. Had £ 60 left, that was it.
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  Speaker 2: But I enjoyed my time. I didn't tell him. I
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  Speaker 2: was playing that night, Elisha broke his leg. Right. the
• 12:20
  Speaker 2: two centre halves the week before we went to Aberdeen
• 12:23
  Speaker 2: drew 1-1 went to Hearts beat them 3-2 and me
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  Speaker 2: and Lisa were the centre halves.
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  Speaker 5: But at least broke his leg it was a horrible
• 12:33
  Speaker 5: horrible break Jim Jefferies he was.
• 12:37
  Speaker 2: With the wind and Jim went Jim was a good
• 12:39
  Speaker 2: player I wouldn't tell him that he's a good player.
• 12:44
  Speaker 3: Big tall so it was a collision with Jim Jefferies
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  Speaker 3: the ball was.
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  Speaker 2: Big Big Leash's touch, let him do the fight. The
• 12:51
  Speaker 2: ball went away and Jim was always going to win
• 12:54
  Speaker 2: the ball. You couldn't force him to blame to that.
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  Speaker 2: Horrible break. Jim went in, the tackle, two of them clashed.
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  Speaker 2: Both the fibula and the tibia were sticking out of
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  Speaker 2: Jim's skin. He never kicked an argo after that. I
• 13:11
  Speaker 2: always remember he was funny. You know, Big Leash thinks
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  Speaker 2: he's a poet. He does think he's a poet. And
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  Speaker 2: I was sitting there, me, Jimmy Stevenson, running home with
• 13:21
  Speaker 2: the bag. And he's going, Dak, Dak, come here, come here. Well,
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  Speaker 2: this was my mate. He says, here, take that. Send
• 13:30
  Speaker 2: your dick, put it in Jim's mouth. Let him bite
• 13:33
  Speaker 2: the pain, you know. And see when I see all
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  Speaker 2: the poetry and everything, I wish the fuck I'd never
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  Speaker 2: done it. I tell him that. But he never kicked
• 13:43
  Speaker 2: another boy after that. And that's fortunes of football. You've
• 13:48
  Speaker 2: got a bad injury.
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  Speaker 3: Would you have been young, Jim, at that point?
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  Speaker 2: 21. We were in the same class at the school.
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  Speaker 2: And my brother Ian, he was in the Cleverer class.
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  Speaker 2: Me and Luce were in the Dovey class. But, you know,
• 14:03
  Speaker 2: Big Graham Shaw, boys like that all played. Jock Mackey,
• 14:07
  Speaker 2: Ken Mackey, Alec Cowan, David McNichol, Ger Carlson. He's the
• 14:12
  Speaker 2: only goalkeeper I've ever seen in a pint of lager
• 14:15
  Speaker 2: at a pre-match game. So then, the happiest days, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: we've won, we have won, and I emphasise the we,
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: not me. I always seem to say, 44 manager of
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  Speaker 2: the month. And you say to yourself, I've got a
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: book coming out in a couple of weeks.
• 14:38
  Speaker 5: My mum and dad died with dementia.
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: I know you guys are familiar with the whole thing.
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: So I decided to... build gardens. I'm the chairman of
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: the Censor Gardens in Scotland. And Censor Gardens have got
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: to be built for censored people who are suffering from dementia. Touch, feeling, smell, noise.
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: They have to have special needs. And I do that.
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: I thought the best thing to do, it goes on
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  Speaker 2: and on and on. You just don't know where we're
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: going with this. But I finished my career in And
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: I look back on it, the best days of my
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: life were at Brecon. And I think you've always got
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: your own special, probably, I don't know if Celtic was
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: the best days of your life, but in my opinion,
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: I then went to play for.
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  Speaker 1: You were saying you're 21 at Dunfermline then, so there's
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: still a stretch there. Where do you go over the
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: line into the coaching side and management?
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  Speaker 2: I know.
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  Speaker 3: Well, that was when were you done filming?
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: What age? Early 90s? Yep.
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  Speaker 4: 1990. No, 1990. That's 16.
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  Speaker 2: I would be about 29, 30 or something when we
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: signed you when I went done filming. But I had
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: went to... So how did you... Simon, be under no illusions.
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  Speaker 2: This is the biggest phenomenon in Scottish football that Dick
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: Campbell is still I was a smoker I was a
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: drinker I liked the smell of the perfume it didn't
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: make me a fucking bad boy in any way never
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: in your life dick ask anybody to play fucking dick
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: coaching George Mackey I was talking to you last week
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: at John Young 75th George Mackey George and Gordon Stratton
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  Speaker 2: as you know they've got the coaching school there and
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: he was telling me when he played at Brecon.
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  Speaker 5: I used to have him with a throat every Saturday.
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: But honestly, I had no time for guys. See if
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: I run past somebody at Pat Tackleland. Fucking honestly, I
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: wouldn't forget him at half time. That was my style,
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: you know. And George agreed with me last week. He
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: was saying Dick was phenomenal for us because I argued
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: with him every week. But see, after the game, we
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: were the first two that went for a pint together.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: and we're still the best of pals to this day,
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: but physically, I was ready to kill him every week
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: because he was like a fanny about the ball. However,
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: I went to Brecon. I played them for seven years. Then,
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: would you believe, I took the player coaches to a...
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: Ian Fleming came in, and you learn from that. Ian
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: Fleming came in, decided at Brecon. Three days, put me in.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: I'm the captain. Dick, This is not what you're wanting
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: to hear, but I'm going to play in your position, son.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: You don't need to go. Stirling's offering 7,000 and we've
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: accepted it. 7,000. I just shook hands with him. That's fine.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: I'm not wanting it. I'm away, you know. I never
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: enjoyed the player-manager thing. We got beat, would you believe it, coincidentally,
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: half a fourth. 4-1 at East Stirling. Me, Bobby McCullough
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: and all the boys were all playing for that. They
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: had a good team then. Billy Lammont was the manager,
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: I was the assistant. And we go wee for a while,
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: and I was coming across the Forth Brig. Fuck this.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: It's not for me, I'm standing up there after the game,
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: slaughtering players for their performance. And it dawned on me,
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: I was the worst fucking man in the park. And
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: I did, I phoned my chairman at East England. I
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: stopped at Aberkeen.
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: On the way here, that's enough for me.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I'll give you the money you've given me for
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: signing on. I can't remember what it was. I'll give
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: you the money back. I'm not going to put myself
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: through that again. And would you believe it? Stubby, who
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: was a manager there. Dougie Houston was my mentor. He
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: was the man that got me involved. He used to
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: think I had some qualities to be a coach, right? Anyway,
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: so it goes then. My life was changing a wee bit,
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: I was like, I worked in the dockyard and my
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: plate had betrayed. And I got promotion there, I was
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: an estimator. It was a good job, great job. I
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: started missing five or six Mondays because my knee was
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: sore and I just packed in the football because I
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: had a young family to keep. But the Easterling thing, seriously.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: Stubby came in, phoned me at night. Dick, Stubby, I said, aye,
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: what is this? He says, he'll be the first coach
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: I've ever paid for. I said, aye, what's up? He says, uh,
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: I agreed four thousand pounds. What are you staring at?
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: I said, right, well do you know what you're talking
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: to me? I'm the fucking man. And I went to
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: a fairground for a lot of money man on YouTube
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: so I goes there and I always remember Stubby said
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: to me Dick let's make this quite plain you have
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: no plain right I goes there and would you believe
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: it after a month Stubby leaves fucking Ray Trollers I
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: mean Ray Trollers then we must have the youngest team,
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: Colin Harris, Craig Rose, Paul Smith, Keith Wright, honestly, there
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: must have to be eight players under 20. Because I
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: was like, I doubted them all. Big Elvis, all the boys,
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: Donald Urquhart, they had a reasonable side. But anyway, Bobby
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: Wilson came in, Vicky, and I was here for three
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: years and enjoyed it. I don't know why. When I left,
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: Breakin' to answer your coaching thing. I get a phone
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: call from David Will, who's the chairman of Breakin'. But equally,
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: he was the president of FIFA. Did you know that?
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: David Will was the president of FIFA. If you look
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: at the records, I'll show you. And that's why people,
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: for me, disrespected Breakin' at the time because we're fucking sorry.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: You know the world. Fitbon, he's a great guy. He's
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: a great guy. His wife, Margaret, she's got dementia now, actually. Anyway,
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: David was there.
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: So he phones me up and says to me, Dick.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: We would like to offer you the reserting job at Breakin'.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: What do you think? Eh, neither. I'm no coach, right?
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: I'm fine, thanks very much. Just take that coach and
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: up your arse, right? So what happened was, He says,
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: it's a pity then, he says, because Andy Roxford and
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: Craig Brown are continually asking if Dick would like to
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: come down because I did a, after dinner or some
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: fucking thing, doing it at Largs one time. So I said,
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: why are they asking for me, David? He says, well,
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: to be honest with you, Dick, we can all help
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: you with your finance and I'm sure we'll give you
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: some out-of-pocket expenses. I'm starting to think, fuck, there was
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: an article in the Daily Record that week that Largs
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: was the busiest fucking town, right, in Scotland. Eight birds
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: to one boy, right? I'm like, oh, fuck, I'll try that.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: And that's how it happened. I'm telling you now, when
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: I went to Largs, I was never, ever, for instance, Celtic,
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: didn't they support larks? They never had forgot they were that,
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: they just thought they were bigger than all that. So
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: this was you.
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: Down doing the role with the SFA then at larks?
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: Well no, I decided to go to larks. To do
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: your badges? To do my badges. To see the birds? Aye,
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: I wear the birds and badges. I go high larks,
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: dare letting somebody else tell you how good you were right.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: So the next year, I went, as I say, I
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: went and took the Australian shirt on the next year.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: I went and set my B licence and my A
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: licence and all that nice thing. And I got a
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: high mark. Right. Not any higher than anybody else. But
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: I did reasonably well. Never ever thinking for a minute that,
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: as I said to you, I lived my life and
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: football wasn't the most important thing to me. My family
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: was the most important thing to me. I mean that.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: And the job I had and all the rest of
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: it was great and it taught you. However, John Ritchie
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: takes over at Brecon, and he comes in for me
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: for a row. And my boss, God bless him, there
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: wasn't a night that goes by in my life that
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: I didn't think about him. He was just the best
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: guy I ever met in life. And I went with
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: him as assistant manager. So I went for a row
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: just because I was happy. There was something in my
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: mind about being happy.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: All right, guys, we are here at the Drygate Brewery
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: in Glasgow filming a couple of podcasts. We'd just like
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: to tell you about the 29th of November. Drygate is
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: throwing a massive St Andrew's Day party and trust us,
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: you don't want to miss this one. We're talking proper
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: Scottish celebrations, brilliant entertainment, tenants stout.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: Have you tried that? Not yet. Not yet.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Sponsoring the day, charity involvement in an atmosphere that will
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: be hard to beat.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: I think they've been giving St Paddy's Day one for
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: their money, sir. They will be.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: So get your pals together, get your Scottish pride out
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: and get yourselves down to the Drygate. Email hello at drygate.co.uk
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: on at Drygate on Instagram as well.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: So get yourselves down.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: In my life, seriously, I come to them telling things
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: on YouTube and that made a big, big difference to
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: me in my life. And I've known when I look
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: back now and all the 11 promotions we've won, we
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: have won, That'll never be beaten, boys. Never in your lifetime,
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: in your life, will that ever be beaten. Three teams up,
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: three leagues. That'll just never happen. Okay, you can turn
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: around and be a wee bit derogative and say, at
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: that level, you tell me the difference between managing fucking
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: Hallabee's Halls and managing Stelwick. You've still got to do
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: the best of what you've got. And we know that, right?
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: So that was the... Turned out to be... Wait, you
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: wouldn't believe this. John left C.R. Smith, he was a
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: salesman at C.R. Smith, and because my brother Ian was
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: a non-family director at C.R. Smith, and C.R. Smith sponsored
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: Rangers and Celtic. Right? Oh, fucking what a deal that
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: was for them. I mean, it was fabulous. Absolute fabulous.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: I always remember going to shoot a Celtic game with
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Barry Payton. Right? We were at them filming at the time,
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: and your man, McCann, who's there? Right, Fergus McCann, aye.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: And we're all sitting there at the hospitality, him with
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: Jerry Eadie, you know, and I say, you know, and
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: me and Bert are sitting, fucking, going down, you know,
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: in a game of football, you know. In walks McCann,
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Fergus McCann, with about six or seven entourage behind him.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: Everybody in the hospitality seat stopped eating and stood up
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: and started fucking clapping. No me and Bert. We never
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: missed a boogie and totty. We never missed a totty.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: I laugh like fuck at that all the time. So, coaching.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: I left, I bought a pub. Right? And I bought
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: another one. And I'm feeling, as I've said, as a player, fine, happy.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: And then, I bought a pub, Delt joined us, and
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: I found out from my fucking second, right? So I
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: got my family, and what do you believe it? Me
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: and Bert went to work at fucking CR Smith. My
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: brother Ian, he got us a job, honestly, you never
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: had a fucking job. Talk about the pits, and doing
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: work in the fucking pit face. That's what it was
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: like doing in fucking CR Smith, I'm telling you that.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: I was on this machine, fucking bumping holes all fucking
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: day I was the fittest fucking boy I did all
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: I did was pull his press down the fucking board
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: holes with bits of angle bar my brother Ian would
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: walk past me with his fucking Gucci suit on and
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: we didn't even say hi ever to her or none
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: it was my fucking John brother but well greatest story
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: ever on night shift right we're only with a hundred
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: fucking twenty pound a week right and there there's the
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: funniest boy ever seeing your leg, you know, funny, the
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: driest thing there, Bert comes to Valleyfield, and seeing Valleyfield,
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: they didn't shake your hands, they just say, how's it going,
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: look at this, they always want to punch you, I said,
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: oh for fuck's sake, me and Bert are standing, anyway,
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: the phone goes, half past five, I'm getting picked up
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: at 26, to go to Nice, with Bert, I say,
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: here's my fucking piece of box, it's made up with
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: a ham sandwich, it's not a restator, Bert says, You
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: starting up?
• 28:17
  Speaker 7: I says, I've got a fucking dumb feeling, Joe. And
• 28:21
  Speaker 7: she straight said to me, you're fucking coming with me.
• 28:27
  Speaker 7: I says, are you kidding me?
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: She says, no, and this is what you're doing. I says, well,
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you, boys. I fucking went out the front green.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: I fucking booted that fucking peace box. The sea was
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: going to catch it. I was fucking booting it. And
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: the rest is history. When you think of it, by
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: that time. But sorry, before... The reason I went with
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: Bert was, I had the pub, and Bert and Wee Moe,
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: I was Wee Moe's best man, right? And fucking Bert
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: comes in to see me one night at the pub, right,
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: I'm going to go with the Recyf juniors, pretty big lads,
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: and I want you to come with me. I says, Bert,
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: I got one night to have a fucking wee. Stick
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: your fucking juniors up your arse. And then I thought,
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: wouldn't he say no? Wouldn't he say no? A couple
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: of these fucking Moe comes in, I said we're here
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: as well, I'll work to get you in the honour
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: of this. So I said right well go down there
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: and we went down. Fucking phenomenal record Bert had at
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: the juniors. I think we got to the quarter final
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: of the Scottish Cup and we got to two cup finals,
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: won the fucking driver of the cup. This was only
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: two years, me and Bert, that was fucking fantastic, so,
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: I had then left, and Bert had left, and I
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: think they went defunct, because of the finances, and, that's
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: how Bert confirmed me, to go to Dunfellin, and you know,
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: I can, with you guys, honestly, I could cut my finger,
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: in nine years, how many training sessions, Bert took, And
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: he says to himself, I took all the training. I
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: took the training. That didn't make me better. His theory,
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: and I'm telling you, you've been a miser. You've been
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: a miser. His theory was brilliant. And I lived with that.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: Why would I take the training? Dick's better than me.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: You could see that publicly. I said, hang on. Nobody,
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: and I mean nobody, you boys can see that. the
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: best I've ever heard at fucking half-time. You remember, you've
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: got 15 minutes to analyse the fucking, what's wrong and
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: what's right, and the opposition, and the strengths and the weaknesses,
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: and Peyton was fucking brilliant. And that was because, he,
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: and they dug it, and the rest of that. Bert
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: would go, fucking sort him out, fucking, that was me,
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: I was out fucking arguing with all the players. And
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: Bert was just, evening training. Evening training, Bert would say
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: to me, I think I've told you this, Watch that cunt, McCarthy. Hey,
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: watch Martin Amara. He's no buzz in the day, which
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: is very unusual, but he's a bad example. Watch fucking Robertson,
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: lazy bastard, and all the rest of it. And I
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: was a very aggressive coach. Hey, you, you're a cunt.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: Jack will tell you. Then talk about Alec Ferguson's teacups.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: You're a cunt. You fell out with me, you've got
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: a problem, right? And I learned to become better than
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: what I was. Just being no being so aggressive. Yeah.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: you know, but Peyton could fucking cut you in two
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: with one-liners and fucking, didn't he? Top first fucker, he
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: just used to hear you. So I learned from Burt,
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: and I didn't want the Dunfermline show. Well, I wouldn't
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: say I didn't want it, I was always getting the
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Dunfermline show. They taught me, Burt, where they come, Burt, Peyton,
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: Roy Wood and so on, they all knew I was
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: going to take the Dunfermline show. But I didn't even,
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: they didn't want me going. And I thought Burt left
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: far too early. He started, you know, he was getting
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: a bit of a stick in there and I said,
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: Bert's that much a gentleman. He thought the best thing
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: to do was leave the club and the club would benefit.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: And I didn't see it like that at all. I
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: didn't see it like that. And of course, in the meantime,
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: we sold Jackie.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: It was about the same time.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: It was about the same time. Around about that time. Well,
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: Jackie played for Chalky right back. And I fell in
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: love with him.
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: What's your first memories of this guy then?
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: Aye.
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: Coming in.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: Oh, he was here when we went there. And there
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: was not a fucking problem. I fell in love with
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: Jake and that's still to this day very friendly and
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: Andrew Todd and him were fucking great. I can't remember
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: where I'm fucking staying honest. Fucking dirty. Jake would only
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: be about fucking 19 or something. Eh? 18 or 19? No,
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: I was... Younger? 20, 21, aye?
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: It ended up being my kind of stag, if you like.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: I was always getting married when you were in a wedding.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: It was fucking hilarious. Bert says to me, watch these
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: two cunts. I says, what are you talking about? Matt
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: and Amara and Todd, I didn't see them at all.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: They're wanting these fucking, they're always wanting money. What the
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: fuck are they doing? They're no gambling. They were on
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: these fucking wee scooters. It was costing a fortune. Fucking hilarious.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: But we did, Jake. I've written in this book where,
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: and I'm not flattering and I'm not embarrassing Jacqui, who
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: was the best driver I had and it was Jacqui.
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: Do you know why Simon?
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: Pure and simple, natural enthusiasm for life, more importantly for football.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: He had a fucking natural, I don't have an opinion,
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: You get that after you play 10 years at Celtic
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: and you go into management. When I had him, he
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: was a fucking young laddie, right? And a natural enthusiasm.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: Natural meaning, it's going to get better. Same with your ability.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: You need not ever deny your ability at Celtic Park.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: These are the days when you leave back and you think, fucking,
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: I never agreed. Anyway, we had fuck all at Dunfermline.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: No money at all. We didnae. We signed fucking Evo
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: on a free. Honestly, I can't remember who the fuck
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: we signed. We got rid of Mosey. We got rid
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: of fucking Billy. Billy Davis, right. Davis. We got rid
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: of the boy who went to Marlborough with a kind
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: of midfield player fucking check. I can't remember. Anyway, because
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: we couldn't afford them, right? Scott Weach. Scott Weach. Aye.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: We get, you know, this is what we had today.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: Signed fucking Stevie Campbell came. I can't remember a pair
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: of bits. Evo fucking came as a free transfer from Montrose.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: We signed Toddy for two fucking grand for Kelty. What
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: a fucking signing that, honestly. He was big. Toddy was
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: a big player.
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: He was still there when I came to Dunfermline.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: Aye, he would be, aye. He would be. He was
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: a good signing. Well, we had some fucking great time.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: We had a great time. Do you know what we did?
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: There was quite a lot of senior players with you.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: Aye, well, that's... So, we were really... You know, we
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: had the baby.
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: That was, actually that was the one thing that I
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: was kind of, you know, glad that I'd left at
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: that point. Because I left in October and then Norrie
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: passed in January. And I couldn't imagine being in the club,
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: you know, at that point. Having gone in every day.
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: It must have been really tough for you. That must
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: have been the hardest thing in your career at that time.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: I tell a story about it. Bertie, I loved fucking Norrie.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: He joked he didn't play nobody. No, he didn't. And
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: he was a cunt. Anyway, see Bert. See the day
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: that it all happened. I fucking looked after the players.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: Half the fucking players. Bert didn't like fucking players going
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: out to see him and all the rest of it.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: He'd always turn and say, I fucking see Dak. He'll
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: fucking sort it out. He'll sort it out. And if
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: the police had fucking done something wrong or something, I would,
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: I'd already all fucking sort it out, and I would
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: tell Bert a different fucking story. But Bert knows the
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: fucking crack, you know. But that day, the minibus left
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: at fucking 10 o'clock, right? Well, I was on it,
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: or no fucking way I was on it. I blew
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: the whistle and said, hey, fucking bus, what's going on
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: with you? Maybe fucking 10 past 10. I'm still up
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: there in the bus the way down. So I'm fucking
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: doing the warm-ups. Fucking phone goes. I'm going to the door.
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: One of the officers shouts, I can't remember who the
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: fuck it was.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: Dick, there's a phone call here. You need to take it.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: It's at 10 past 10. There's one car. Dick. I says,
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: where is the gun? Where is he? I'm going to
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: tell him to go fucking straight down to the train
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: and I'll bring some fucking kit with him because that's
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: what you do. Come on. No, I don't. Nobody can
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: see where he is. Nobody's been paid. Not a fucking,
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: he came out of the crackers, he's a fucking alarm
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: staff and not wanting to be paid. And he's worried.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: And I says, oh for fuck's sake, I said, look John,
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: see when he gets here, fucking get him down there
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: and I'll cover his arse down. I'll tell him he's
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: got a niggling wee injury and he's doing a wee
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: run round the park. And that's the consequence. The next
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: thing I knew, when I come back, that he had
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: passed away. And I'll fucking, I can write a book
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: about fucking Norrie, I can assure you. But a beautiful,
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: beautiful woman. He went to fucking, he went to Spain,
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: that's the bug. He went to Spain, that's the bug.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: He was knackin' the boys' fuckin' knickers in the rest
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: of the year. He was a clarty big brother. He
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: was a clarty clint, wasn't he? He was a clarty
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: big brother. A great, great, Bert loved him because he
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: was a great player. Great competitor.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: I just remember you'd just signed for Celtic and we'd
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: a night through.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: At his club, Harry. Nico's went up to the club.
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: Right, and you introduced me to him. That was the
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: one before.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: Was that so?
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: So, Jack had just signed for Celtic and obviously we
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: got on well and.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: Thank you for inviting me through we went to his
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: nightclub and he introduced me to Norrie in probably.
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: November, December time he went and passed in the January
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: I left in October who was his big pal? Winker
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: introduced us that night I remember and then not long
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: after that.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: Him and Winker and Norrie couldn't put a deal on
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: a sugar moose how the fuck we had three pups
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: seriously but they were they went and did everything you
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: know and.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: Is that your hardest thing to have dealt with in
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: management then that obviously loss of a player that's tragic.
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: In terms of losing a guy like him.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: I I dealt with it I went to the funeral
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: but I didn't go out on the park Bert didn't
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: he couldn't say a word one of the things that
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: you can talk about it was the game after we
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: went to Clyde Bank and we were fucking four long up.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: They put it back to 4-4 and we fucking scored
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: in the last minute to make it 5-4. It was
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: not it winning the game that day, everyone had them
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: said that. They were all giving it a hard fucking,
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: at 4-4 somebody got injured and the players come out
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: and start fucking nodding, seriously. And it was just the
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: strangest fucking thing you've ever seen in your life, you know.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: I've had a few close calls in my life with
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: my friends Aye, as a.
• 40:19
  Speaker 5: Coach, yeah, you would have to deal with that.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: It's all the.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: Stuff away for the game, eh? It's all the stuff
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: that's away for.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: The football side. Aye. When you think he done fell
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: on Simon, I'd make no matter. I mean, that fucking
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: left all the.
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: Debt off of rugby just fucking, you know.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: Fucking Bob McCullough, 450 fucking grand to go to Aberdeen.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: I always remember I sent him to fucking The agent,
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: I think it was Bill Mimardo, was it? Bursy says,
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: who's that Dick, who's that? It's Bill, it's fucking Bob's dad.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: Big Bob McCulloch, right? Dick, Dick, go and sort that out,
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: can't you? So he goes, yeah, he says, right, Bill. Oh,
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: my new Dick, this is what he said to me.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: We're negotiating a fucking deal. You're going to look after
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: my boy? because he's needing money, and you look at him,
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: and I kind of pissed myself laughing when I went in,
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: you know. He got a few pubs. Bob was a great,
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: great player. If he hadn't had his intestines and everything off,
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: I can tell you, he would have been a classic, eh?
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: You mind it, Bob? Aye. Scopical. And then, of course,
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: we signed fucking Andy Smart. For 75,000, he broke his fucking,
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: he broke his fucking leg in the first fucking game.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: And then, we settled today, Where did he go? Didn't
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: you meet him or did he go to England? He
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: went to Borsford, I'm talking about. Fuck it. He went
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: to Bradford. Why I wasn't, Bradford could shout. I'm telling you,
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: they made a few bob, right? You can talk about
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: Jimmy Collins with any day you want. I would also
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: say to you, we got promotion. That was fucking serious.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: I remember day before the game, playing AirJet at fucking
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: East End Park, caught a one-tee, playing in the league,
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: never been in the fucking live in the telly before
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: in my life, Meris Baird, Meris used to be on
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: the Brady, fucking, phone watty, I says, I'm no fucking
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: phone watty, they just won seven in a row, you know,
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: what do you want me to phone watty? Well, me
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: ain't nobody doing something, He's fucking been in this position before.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: Anything goes to make it an advantage. Oh, for fuck's sake.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: Phone's up, what are you on? What are you on?
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: Fucking Perks, get away, phone you. Why didn't you tell
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: me today? Is there any advice you'd give us to
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: give us a wee advantage?
• 42:53
  Speaker 5: He says, Dick, I can't tell you anything. He says,
• 42:55
  Speaker 5: I've never managed at the diddy level.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: Oh, fuck, he picked himself up. Now tell me about it.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: He picked himself up as well. Fucking absolutely. You can
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: get away with that sort of stuff, Hugh. Hi, guys.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: As you probably well know by now, we have signed
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: up for the London Marathon next April, and we have
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: some fantastic people supporting us, groups supporting us.
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: We're doing it for a fantastic cause, or two causes.
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: Who are we doing it for?
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: We're doing it for Headway UK. And the Concilium Sports Foundation. Yep.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: So we're going to have some updated videos of our
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: progress and our training and everything else it takes to
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: get us over the line.
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: He's emphasised that time doesn't matter.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: I probably agree.
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: As long as we complete it.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: There'll be a link in the bio for any charity donations.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: We're going to be raising as much money as we
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: can over the next period of time. Our training starts
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: very soon. And yeah, look forward to some updates on here.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: Hopefully no injuries. And then, the crazy thing. Seriously. I
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: suppose I write, I've got that book coming out with
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: the bunnets back and you's all got to fucking mention
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: certainly the....
• 44:16
  Speaker 5: I got sacked at Dunfermline and we're tough as a
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: fucking league.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: Right? And I got sacked for a reason. And nobody, well,
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: I'm telling you now, you can fucking make it public
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: if you like. I got a phone call from Roy Woodrow.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: My chairman, Roy Woodrow owned the football club and he
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: was a gentleman. He always knew Bert was teaching me
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: to be a fucking manager. He phones me up and says, Dick,
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: I've got good news and I've certainly got bad news.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: I've sold all my shares. To fucking... Was that the
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: good news?
• 44:57
  Speaker 5: To John fucking.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: What's his name fucking? Matt Sturton? No, Gavin Matt Sturton
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: was there. What was his name? John fucking... Anyway, I
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: can't remember. It's generally done fairly. I said, what's the
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: bad news? He says, he's not wanting you. I said,
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: what do you mean? No, he's wanting Leishman and Craig Robertson.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: They used to work with him at the site and
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: all the rest of the time. Yorkshire? Yorkshire. You fucking
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: can't believe that. I'm talking about the league. So, we
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: go beat fucking, we go beat 3-1 that day at
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: St Mirren, at St Mirren. And that was our first
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: defeat for the season. St Mirren went on to win
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: it with nine points and Dunfermline got up in second place.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: Big old difference. Nine points behind them.
• 45:53
  Speaker 5: Jimmy Calderwood in charge. And they're never ever.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: That day we got beat up, I fucking said my piece,
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: and I come out the fucking side and told you,
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: I couldn't join yours, and he was fucking like... I
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: didn't like that. You ask what you are, you fucking protect.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: I'm saying it, he's right, he's fucksy. He's the easiest thing,
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: he was a fucking... They're going to get any cunt
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: better than me to keep them up, but it's not
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: going to happen. But anyway, it's another story. And then
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: I sit back, and when we then go... 19 managers
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: in 21 years. 19 managers in 21 year and I
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: never got an interview.
• 46:32
  Speaker 5: After my record. I know the reasons for that.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: People like Dom Fellin, they're still running the book. They
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: like what fucking Dick says to them because I tell
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: them the fucking truth.
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: When's your book out?
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: It should be out in the next couple of weeks.
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: What's it called?
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: The Bonnet's Back. I won't tell you about the book.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: I won't throw it away, isn't it?
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: I mean the big surprise for.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: Me you'll be paying £ 9.
• 47:00
  Speaker 5: 99 I'll get in bargain boots.
• 47:02
  Speaker 8: You can pick me up and take me out again
• 47:06
  Speaker 8: he usually picks me up at the door and drives
• 47:10
  Speaker 8: me home sorry it's for dementia time and my mum
• 47:15
  Speaker 8: and dad died and we decided.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: I can't even believe it because fucking Boney you know
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: I always say my Boney's best man Boney I'm away,
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: a fortnight ago, three weeks ago, they've asked me to,
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: Stirling Council have asked me to present the Hall of
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: Fame trophies to four players, Boney, Billy Bremner, Alex Smith
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: and Dalton Ferguson. They fucking asked me. So I went
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: through them, what a fucking great night it was, but Boney,
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: Boney's a funny, well you, I don't know. It's the
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: funniest way you've ever met your fucking... There never a
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: night goes by that I didn't say goodnight, Jim.
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: Don't think at all.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: Settle down, Dick. Dick. There's no decision to be made
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: because there's no decision to be made. You can't used
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: to say that to me every day. The fuck's all
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: that about? Jimmy was going to you and... Fucking ripped
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: him up with a piece of... He doesn't mean that.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: I love to go out and fucking park in a
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: bag of balls. I'm telling you. So I've no complaints
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: about the boys.
• 48:26
  Speaker 5: So all the.
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: Years, all the characters that you've had, so when you
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: started to today, obviously it's been, what, two weeks since
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: you've left East Fife. The difference in football from that time,
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: in terms of the player, having to deal with them
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: in management, there must be, I mean, we finished, what,
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: 10 years ago, management?
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: I was skin of it. Aye. I remember talking to
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: you a lot about it.
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: Absolutely scurred about it. I mean, even in 10 years,
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: I mean, you look at the stuff now, like Martin
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: O'Neill was called a dinosaur because these players want to
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: hold their hands and tell them where to play and
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: where to do this or where to pass it, the philosophies.
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: Whereas going back to when I played under guys like
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: yourself and Bert and even Martin, it was getting the
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: best of it. players you knew your job but now
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: you've got to hold the hands I mean that's obviously
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: even harder at part time than full time you know
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: what I mean so for now the modern player has
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: to be told where to pass the ball where to
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: receive it what to do how to you know did
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: that know Does that not put you off? It's even
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: harder when you go down the levels. See, you've got
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: the ready-made players. You can say, right, this is what
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: we're doing today. But when you go down, for you
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: to stay in the game for so long, you must be.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: 42 years. Could you believe that? No. I get your point.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: I get your point. Don't forget when I'm managing you guys,
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: you guys had an in-built natural enthusiasm for the game. Mm-hmm.
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: And you knew you had to do things. If I
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: played Simon, and I played him when the wide player,
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: Simon had to do something with the ball when he
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: got it. But the big thing you've got nowadays is
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: the Simon Donalds of this fucking world have got to
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: go back to the park. I know. And it's alien
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: to them. I'm not saying it's alien to Simon because
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: he doesn't want to be there. He's got something in
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: his forward play that could fucking give us a goal
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: scoring opportunity. Whereas you in your time, you played at
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: a time where Overlapping fucking full-back, you see. Fucking five
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: at the back, fucking, honestly. You just bomb fucking forward
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: all day. See, now, I'm sitting watching the game of
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: football everywhere I go now. I sit and watch the
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: telly every night. We need goalkeepers that can play fucking one-twos.
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: You're passing the ball back to fucking goalies. And for me,
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: that's only given an opportunity for the opposition to press.
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: And then.
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: What they're doing is, I asked a question to Alec
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: Ferguson six months ago. I'll put that in the book.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: They want to penetrate on fucking the quick reaction of
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: getting bought out of the fucking park. Fucked you up
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: out on it. I've not got a clue how you
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: do it. I was accused once, maybe you would agree
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: with me, is that we played a long ball Right?
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: It worked for us. We used to have Toddy up front.
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: Maybe it didn't be on fucking Andy Smith. Play the
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: long ball. As long as it doesn't come back, we
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: had to coach players. If the ball went forward over
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: the middle third to the forward third, I'm wanting fucking
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: strikers to hold the fucking ball or get a territorial advantage.
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: And then the ball goes over the middle field, players
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: fucking let's go and penetrate. It wasn't a fancy fucking
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: one-twos and all the rest of it. It was fucking...
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: And it worked. Because what people forgot to ask was,
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: the fucking opposition's got to stop you. Dealing with that
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: fucking long ball. And I think it's quite exciting, you know.
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: But I don't think it's exciting watching today's game. Can
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: you look at this mate, fucking, I hope I'm not
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: spitting you a term here. Ah, look at that fuck.
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: What about all this fucking shaking horns after games? Going
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: on the park and fucking cuddling cunts and going over
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: shit here. If I got fucking beat, the last time
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: I wanted to do is fucking shake their hands. I
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: didn't get that.
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: Swapping jerseys for helping them up.
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: Fucking Joe. Oh, what is this? Fuck. Fuck me. It's
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: helping them up. Get it yourself. Exactly. Come on, son.
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: It wasn't that bad. It was like the Eddie Cunningham.
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: The Eddie Cunningham. I was actually speaking. I did that
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: last week. You'll never believe that. You remember Eddie Cunningham? Yeah.
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: His daughter worked behind the bar at a dinner. I
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: was fucking speaking to her. She comes up, she's got
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: a wee glass cap out. You didn't came me in, oh?
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: I've not got a clue. My dad's Eddie Connick. For
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: fuck's sake. Tell me a fucking story about it, right?
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: He's playing for Dunfell and Bert's in the... Koyce told
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: me this one, right? Koyce's in the dugout. I can't
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: remember who the manager was. It might have been Lottie.
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: Bert Tate and Dick Cummings in this dugout, right?
• 53:32
  Speaker 5: And we're playing Rangers at fucking East End Park, you know,
• 53:34
  Speaker 5: I like it with the two.
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: Doggos, so we're right in the half, ain't we? Of course, yeah.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: You can't, when you've got an outside right for fucking Holland,
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: what do you have played for fucking Rangers? You can't
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: have them losing. Hustra. Eh? Peter Hustra. No, fucking, can
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: you play a ref? Dutch. Eh? Dutch. Jan Bronckhorst. Newman. No,
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: I've fucking played for Rangers, for fuck's sake. Newman. Eh?
• 53:56
  Speaker 5: Arthur Newman.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: No. When you're a fucking outside right or, Can't believe it.
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: Come on, son.
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: Van Vossen.
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: Who's the one that played alongside Gascon? Fucking.
• 54:10
  Speaker 5: Oh, Loudrop.
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: Loudrop. He's Irish. He's Irish, right? Fucking... Well... He's fucking... Honestly,
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: we had this getting a fucking dune out of Forsyth.
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: Fucking diving into the tackle and I said, Bert's fucking
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: going to like it. Gets him in at half-time and
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: he says, see, I can't See if you dive in,
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: I fucking told you before the game, I told you yesterday,
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: I told you the day before it, didn't fucking dive
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: into him, get tight to him, I didn't fucking tackle him.
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: You see, I can't, he's fucking, that's his legs, he's
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: tying him in a fucking reef knot, I can't, the
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: game starts, and it bursts on like that, fucking cush,
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: and it's pushing rain, right, and there's a big fucking
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: huddle right in front of us, and the fucking ball
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: gets played to a loud drop, and he's fucking waiting
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: that one, coming that one, and I can't, he's got
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: the earth, He thinks he's getting to the first area
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: he's going against. He's a chance to fucking do him.
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: He comes fucking belting in. Loudon just fucking flicks it
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: through his fucking legs, right? He kept him fucking going, right?
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: The fucking doggie. And he's up like that and he's
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: looking at Bert. Bert's like, yeah, cunt. Then he wants
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: to go to sport by night, son. I'm talking stupid
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: fucking thing to say. But I can't cost him a
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: fucking person. So I'm laughing at that.
• 55:26
  Speaker 5: So that was the.
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: The time when we won the, when.
• 55:32
  Speaker 5: We got promotion to the Premier League. Anyway, can I
• 55:34
  Speaker 5: talk to you about.
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: Management? You've got to earn the right to have an
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: opinion on other people. If you want to start talking
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: about other people, you better be right. I don't do it.
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: I don't do it in the press. I don't do it.
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't do it with you boys knowing me to
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: respect me for that. Football's the hardest game in the
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: world as a manager. I mean, nowadays, who the fuck,
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: I've been the luckiest guy in the world, boys. I
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: wasn't a good player. I wasn't particularly good at any
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: fucking thing, to be honest, but 42 years, and I'm still,
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: do you know what I'm saying? You still got the
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: hunger for it?
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: You still got the hunger for it?
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: Fucking naturally.
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: You want to get back in?
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: Somebody was at me that day. Now, I've been offered
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: a job. I'm not surprised. I've been offered a job,
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: big job, but it's not in the dugout. To look
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: after a Premier League club's fucking, they've got soccer schools
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: all over Scotland and England and they want me to
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: oversee the coaching of the coaches. Now, I did it
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: for 23, I picked fucking Alan Shearer through his fucking
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: His coaching badges. Lovely boy, Simon. Fuck me. Who am I?
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: He was fucking magnificent. 103 caps for fucking England. And
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: this fucking reserve team fucking players putting him through his
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: fucking badges. That's what I did. I'm not sure if
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: it's right or not. To be fucking right. Which takes
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: me on. I'm going to be very careful because I'm
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: very aware personally about this. See Jimmy? Jimmy Calderwood.
• 57:22
  Speaker 5: He's the luckiest fucking manager, God bless him, in world football.
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 57:29
  Speaker 5: To go to Dunfermline after I fucking left and.
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: Proceed to put them fucking 10 million in debt one
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: year and 10 million in debt the next fucking year.
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: Start to get the Stevie Crawfords in the name who
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: were on fucking 800 when I signed them. Four fucking
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: grand six months later. Nipper, two and a half grand.
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: He was on fucking 600. that I had put him
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: on there, Doddy on there. Fucking tripled their wage. Then
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: they tell me about all the players he fucking signed. Right?
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: He then puts the club into fucking debt of that
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: kind of money. He must have been the luckiest manager
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: in Scottish football and British football and world football to
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: have a chairman like John Yorson. Because he financed it.
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: And the bank boy. So I just think that... It
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: was a strange one because all I heard about was
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: David Murray at Rangers and he had a great career
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: in Holland and all the rest of it. I thought
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: it was pretty interesting. He says he signed Jack Starn
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: three fucking times. Right? I read his book and never
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: fucking mentioned his name once. So, you know, in terms
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: of I'm not putting the boot into Jimmy Calder, I
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: just think he's a very, very lucky man because he
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: can buy it and of course he then lives at Aberdeen. Well,
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: I worked for him at Aberdeen. You did? You didn't
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: have a great time there, did you? No, I didn't
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: enjoy it. No. But all I'm saying to you is
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: that's the difference between good, bad and indifferent. We've now
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: got a situation in Scotland where five of the Premier
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: League managers are foreigners are you telling me that there's
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: not enough good coaches in Scotland must be the way
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: must be the way they want to go I don't
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: fucking know who am I to give an opinion on
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: that I don't.
• 59:29
  Speaker 4: I miss I don't miss managing the management I had
• 59:33
  Speaker 4: three spells you.
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: Did well I was in you started at Partick didn't
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: you when you went down to United.
• 59:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah and finished at York but I don't miss it
• 59:41
  Speaker 4: I miss playing I don't I don't miss the management
• 59:44
  Speaker 4: do you.
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: Miss playing aye sorry the same the same I think
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: the management the taste of the management stuff was alright
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: in spells Partick we had a we built a decent
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: team Dundee United, there was wee moments.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: It can change so quick, as you know.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: York was... Never any good, not any good. Were you
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: with him at all his three clubs? Yeah. York was.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: There was different circumstances at York, but that kind of...
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: He likes to use the word scunnered. That kind of
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: sickened me with the coaching side of it.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 5: I won 10-10 at Ross County and go fucking sack.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: I remember that. Fucking George Adams. It's crazy. It was funny, eh?
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: George Adams. His laddie, Derek, was just coming to end
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: his career. He's director of football now. I always remember,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: I always remember a story about that. I had talked
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: to Roy McGregor the year before, didn't like it. Went
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: to Glen Eagle, sat at a meal, went up to
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: the next time. Sitting in the reception area of his
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: big centre half, fucking, my memory's fucking gone. Lee McCall
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: was there too. and what do you call the big
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: fucking centre forward? The Braveheart, which is Colin. Colin Hendry.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: They two are sitting, right? So I've sat and I've
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: done the interview with Ronnie McGregor and George Adams. I
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: had spoken to five of my friends in Faygo and
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: they're big names, right? And I'm lucky enough that I
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: could go and talk to them. That's another fucking thing
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: about players that didn't answer a phone. Anyway, the chairman
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: says the job's yours Dick do you have any questions
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: I said I do actually I spoke to five people
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: and I'm not going to name them because that would
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: be wrong but you have an idea who I was
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: talking to first of all I spoke to people in
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: the game the chairman could you please tell me what
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: role George has got I've never worked with a director
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: of football before do you worry about me son don't
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: worry about me son I'm here to enhance your position
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: I says well I hope so because we're the best
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: in the world in the world I've not had great
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: reports about you George and I fucking said that maybe
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: I shouldn't have but I did we go fucking nine
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: games one go down to Kirkcaldy there's fucking second in
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: the league we beat them too long Simon we were
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: fucking magnificent serious so I think I was a smoker
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: you know a cigar. Now when he went to the park,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: and of course Roy McGregor and George Amos all went
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: to the same church, right? And George was a wee
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: bit annoyed that there ain't no plane. He was on
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: the bench and the chairman comes in and says, good
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: result today Dick, good performance. I say, aye thanks chairman, George.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: Aye Dick, The result was better than the performance, son.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: You see? That's his damn typical dick. George, you're getting
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: on my fucking tits. You keep fucking having a comment
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: about the game all the rest of it. I said,
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: why do you? I said, in fact, to be honest
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: with you, Roy, let's fucking sort this out now. It's
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: either George or me you're going to listen to. Fucking
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: sack me the next morning. Terrible.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: That sounds like something else, I know, but that's for
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: another day, do you know what I'm on about? Always
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: finding a negative and a positive. Dick, we could be
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: here all day. We're going to have to buy up,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: read the book.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: No, read the book.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: I was going to say, buy the book. Buy the book,
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: read the book. It's a good cause.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: We've got some recommendations from our previous guest for you
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: before you go that you can recommend for our next guest.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: We always do it.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: Can you stick them up for us?
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: Because I've not taken any notes.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: So it's a film, an album and a song. So
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: we had Neil Forsyth. I don't know if you're familiar
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: with Legends on Netflix. Are you a TV watcher?
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: I'm a TV watcher, but I don't know.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: It's a good show.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: Very good. All right.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: So he recommended his film was Trendspotting. His album's Bob Dylan,
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: Blonde on Blonde. And his song was Don't Look Back
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: in Anger from Oasis. Do you have three recommendations for
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: our next guest?
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: A movie first. A movie. A movie first. An album
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: and a song, aye. The best movie I've ever fucking
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: seen is Chisholm, John Wayne. Right. Right? Chisholm, John Chisholm.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: Fucking brilliant. The best album I've ever heard is Roovers. Right.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: I should know you my fucking argument about that. That's
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: fucking magnificent.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: And a song.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: And the song is... That party song, that song at
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: fucking Jackie's wedding, right? and it was travelling light travelling
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: light you'll not believe it got no bags and baggies
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: to slow me down travelling light with Clive Pritchard brilliant
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: brilliant brilliant you've been a fantastic guest mate look forward
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: to the book great to see you and hope you're
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: back in football very soon very kind of you you've
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: been a tribute to yourselves I'm telling you you're magnificent
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: pros and I loved everything about you thank you thank
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: you