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NO BODY NO CASE: AFFAIR ENDS IN DISMEMBERMENT AFTER "CUCKOLD PORN?" · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Nobody no case, a prosecutor's worst nightmare, did a wife's
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Speaker 2: sex affair and in dismemberment after her house husband views
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Speaker 2: cook cold porn? What is that? What is cook porn?
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Speaker 2: We're going to find out. I'm Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 3: This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for
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Speaker 3: being with us.
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Speaker 4: Anna Walsh, a devoted wife and mother dedicated to building
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Speaker 4: a better life for her family, mysteriously goes missing while
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Speaker 4: her husband, Brian is no stranger to troubling pasts, including
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Speaker 4: a conviction for art.
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Speaker 1: Fraud, evidence amassing.
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Speaker 2: In the disappearance of a beautiful, young mom of three
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Speaker 2: gorgeous little boys, Where is Anna Walsh? As the defense
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Speaker 2: for her husband insists nobody no case. As a matter
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Speaker 2: of fact, his theory on where his wife is that
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Speaker 2: she went to a SPA. Okay, straight out to doctor
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Speaker 2: Cheryl Eric joining us a clinical forensic psychologist specializing in
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Speaker 2: trauma just like this. You can find her at askdotor
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Speaker 2: Cheryl dot com. Doctor Cheryl, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: Many theories have been bandied about regarding the disappearance of
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Speaker 2: this young working mom, Anna Walsh. Can I see a
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Speaker 2: picture of Anna, She's absolutely stunning.
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Speaker 1: There you go.
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Speaker 3: I've got a ton of photos of her, if.
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Speaker 2: Only she would come home from the beauty spa where
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Speaker 2: she's been languishing for some time now, Doctor Cheryl, is
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Speaker 2: it true that when a woman is ready to leave
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Speaker 2: her husband or leave her partner she's on the verge
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Speaker 2: of leaving that and when she is pregnant are the
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Speaker 2: most dangerous time for a woman?
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Speaker 1: Why?
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Speaker 5: That is one hundred percent true? And the reason that
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Speaker 5: when she is either pregnant or ready to leave an
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Speaker 5: abusive partner that it is the most dangerous time is
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Speaker 5: because he is losing control of her, and so he
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Speaker 5: in order to maintain control of her. That is when
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Speaker 5: it is most often that she is murdered by her
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Speaker 5: husband or partner or desired ex partner. And women are
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Speaker 5: overwhelmingly murdered by someone close to them, closest to them
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Speaker 5: as significant other of family member. Men are most often
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Speaker 5: murdered by strangers, So overwhelmingly when there is a murder
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Speaker 5: like this, the number one suspect tends to be the spouse.
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Speaker 2: So basically, any relations with men, you're signing your own
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Speaker 2: death want because overwhelmingly, as you just said, doctor Cheryl,
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Speaker 2: and you're correct, and you're backed up by statistics. It's
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Speaker 2: more likely that a woman is killed by an intimate
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Speaker 2: partner or even a love interest.
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Speaker 3: They don't have to be intimate.
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Speaker 2: They could be dating, they could have had one date,
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Speaker 2: they could be talking online.
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Speaker 3: Doesn't matter.
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Speaker 2: And another question regarding psyche and of course that's not
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Speaker 2: my will house.
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Speaker 3: Okay, I'm not driving down that lane. You are If Anna.
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Speaker 2: Walsh was murdered, and yes, I think she was, a
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Speaker 2: lot of people will wonder why, Just like in the
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Speaker 2: Brian Coburger case, a lot of people had a hard
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Speaker 2: time connecting the dots that Coburger would murder for innocent
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Speaker 2: University Idaho students with no connection to him at all.
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Speaker 2: He played guilty, So all of you conspiracy theories that
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Speaker 2: keep writing me online and stop.
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Speaker 3: He plaged guilty under oath.
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Speaker 1: He did it.
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Speaker 2: People will wonder why, in a seemingly loving relationship would
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Speaker 2: the husband get a wild hair up as you know
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Speaker 2: what and murder his wife. Tell me about jealousy and
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Speaker 2: anger that simmers below the surface when the husband stays
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Speaker 2: home and the wife is the breadwinner.
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Speaker 5: There's a tremendous amount of envy and often feeling emasculated
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Speaker 5: by this situation. This man was not able to move
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Speaker 5: to DC and join her, and she had a high paying,
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Speaker 5: high power job. He had some legal issues and problem.
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Speaker 2: Wait a minute, are you telling me the husband gets
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Speaker 2: upset that he doesn't have to get up out of
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Speaker 2: bed and go to work every day.
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Speaker 3: That is the cause for insane hold on.
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Speaker 2: I was about to say insane jealousy, but I'm hearing
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Speaker 2: in my ear hold on.
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Speaker 3: Doctor Cheryl.
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Speaker 2: Joining me right now on the scene is Brian Fitzgibbons,
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Speaker 2: the director of Operations USPA Nationwide Security. He leads a
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Speaker 2: team of investigators all around the world and you can
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Speaker 2: find him at USPA Underscore Nationwide Underscore Security.
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Speaker 3: Brian, thank you for being with us. You're not in
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Speaker 3: the studio. Where are you, explained.
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Speaker 6: Nancy. Where I'm standing, I'm about half a mile from
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Speaker 6: the residence that brought that Anna Walsh police say was
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Speaker 6: murdered and dismembered by her husband, Brian Walsh. So the
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Speaker 6: residence is about half a mile down the road in Cohassett,
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Speaker 6: Massachusetts from where I'm standing.
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Speaker 2: Now, Okay, I just got a quick question for the
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Speaker 2: control room. Could I see that map very quickly. Bryan
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Speaker 2: fus Gibbons is joining us near the scene where we
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Speaker 2: believe Anna was murdered and dismembered.
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Speaker 3: And I've never seen on top.
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Speaker 2: Of a map husband hubby watches kinky porn before wife disappears.
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Speaker 3: Is that a city?
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Speaker 2: Is that a county? Don't know why that's on the map?
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Speaker 2: Control room. But that said, we'll get to the cuckold
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Speaker 2: porn in just a moment. Brian Fitzgibbons described the home
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Speaker 2: where many believe Brian Walsh murdered Anna a completely disposed
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Speaker 2: of the evidence.
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Speaker 3: There is no body, and of.
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Speaker 2: Course Brian Walsh is running up and down the calls
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Speaker 2: of the courthouse in glee. There's nobody and he thinks
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Speaker 2: he will walk free. I beg to different describe the
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Speaker 2: home please.
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Speaker 6: The residence is a single family, two story home. It's
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Speaker 6: it's a nice a nice house. It's set back off
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Speaker 6: of Route three A in Cohasset, Massachusetts, so it is
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Speaker 6: quite secluded in a quiet place to live.
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Speaker 2: You know, when you say secluded, Brian Fitzgibbons, all I
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Speaker 2: can think of is the sound of.
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Speaker 3: A power saw. You stated that it's two.
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Speaker 2: Story, Does that include a basement. Can you tell from
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Speaker 2: looking at the outside, because in my experience, even though
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Speaker 2: there were only three little boys at home that night,
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Speaker 2: that would have not had any idea about what was
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Speaker 2: going on for some reason, and we've seen it over
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Speaker 2: and over people retreat to the basement for Nefari's doings.
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Speaker 2: But can you tell if there is a basement.
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Speaker 7: There is a basement, Nancy.
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Speaker 6: This is evident in police reports and just the standard
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Speaker 6: type of homes built out here, these two story colonial
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Speaker 6: homes in New England all have basements.
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Speaker 3: Tell me about the neighborhood place, Like I.
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Speaker 6: Said, the home the address is actually Route three A,
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Speaker 6: which is the main thoroughfare in Cohasset, But the house
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Speaker 6: itself is set back off the road about three hundred
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Speaker 6: yards down a private way, so there's not much of
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Speaker 6: a neighborhood per se that there would be neighbors potentially
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Speaker 6: hearing or seeing something.
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Speaker 1: I mean, cahasse.
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Speaker 2: Let me go to Ann Emerson joining us biv Is
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Speaker 2: Gibbons is on the scene there Inca has it and
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Speaker 2: Emerson joining a senior investigative reporter with criminally obsessed on
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Speaker 2: YouTube and she's the star of Unsolved South Carolina. The
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Speaker 2: murderach murders, money and mysteries and thank you for being
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Speaker 2: with us. And that is stinking rich, you know, compared
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Speaker 2: to where I came from, on a dirt road in
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Speaker 2: rural Georgia. But Ann, the median income is around two
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Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars for the family. And I've seen Walsh's home.
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Speaker 2: They were sitting pretty. I don't get it. He's got
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Speaker 2: this beautiful wife, three gorgeous little boys. They're young, they're
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Speaker 2: little boys, this gorgeous home, everything, and he doesn't have
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Speaker 2: to work. He gets to lay around the house all day.
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Speaker 2: What's there to complain about? Ann Emerson.
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Speaker 8: He's in big trouble, Nancy. He's in big, big trouble.
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Speaker 8: He's in a federal investigation because he is already been
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Speaker 8: found out to have been trying to send out forged
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Speaker 8: Andy Warhol paintings, if you can believe it, And he
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Speaker 8: is facing a federal investigation. He's facing a four hundred
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Speaker 8: thousand dollars restitution. His wife knows about it, and she's
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Speaker 8: not happy, and she has been moving toward her home
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Speaker 8: in DC. But he can't leave. He's not allowed to leave.
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Speaker 3: He's looking at An and Emerson.
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Speaker 2: This guy forges Andy Warhol's or he has somebody forged
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Speaker 2: them and then he sells them. I guess they came
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Speaker 2: with those little certificates of authenticity.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, I think he definitely was trying to
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Speaker 8: look like the good guy here, like the loving, wonderful
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Speaker 8: husband and father that he was. But no, he was
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Speaker 8: a criminal and he was already in trouble.
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Speaker 3: I don't get it.
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Speaker 2: High profile lawyer joining US attorney and digital forensic investigator
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Speaker 2: Maurice Thompson FORESTA, thanks for being.
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Speaker 3: With us, Matthew.
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Speaker 2: How can a wife or a husband be duped that profoundly?
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Speaker 3: She had no idea.
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Speaker 2: She's married to a con man who's selling fake Andy Warhols.
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Speaker 3: And not only that, he doesn't even.
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Speaker 2: Fake it very well because he gets busted by the Feds.
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Speaker 9: Well, some people are really good at being common. I've
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Speaker 9: had lots of cases where people are able because they
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Speaker 9: believe what they say. They're able to be confident in
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Speaker 9: what they say and what they represent to other people,
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Speaker 9: and they're very good at getting people to believe them.
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Speaker 9: The problem comes when people stop believing them and they
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Speaker 9: still believe what they're saying.
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Speaker 3: Guys.
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Speaker 2: It all started when Anna Walch seemingly disappears as her
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Speaker 2: husband says, to go to a spa around the holidays.
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Speaker 2: I want you to hear what Walch says. Let's hear
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Speaker 2: from the horses mouth.
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Speaker 10: And she woke me up around six parents and she
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Speaker 10: was going. She came down.
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Speaker 11: I guess Thomas heard her and came down and she
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Speaker 11: said I have to go, and he said, I love
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Speaker 11: you very much, and she said I love you very much.
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Speaker 10: And then he said, so that she left me run
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Speaker 10: in a taxi.
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Speaker 11: But I don't think he saw it because it was
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Speaker 11: further down if you want to talk to him, but
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Speaker 11: he said as a taxi and I was like, he
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Speaker 11: was broad the bar. He said, want really even see it?
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Speaker 10: Dad? So I was like okay. So he was coming
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Speaker 10: down begause.
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Speaker 11: I think I could maybe Anna's a taxi and maybe
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Speaker 11: she's my driver, like, but I know that she was
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Speaker 11: not driving.
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Speaker 10: There's village. She was driving her vehicul and there's like
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Speaker 10: zero possibility of that.
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Speaker 2: I want you to listen very carefully to Brian Walt
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Speaker 2: explaining what happened.
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Speaker 3: To his wife.
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Speaker 2: You know, Brian Fitzgibbons, I love nothing better and you
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Speaker 2: have handled so many investigations.
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Speaker 3: Then when I get a very.
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Speaker 2: Long detailed statement from my target. Now, for many years
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Speaker 2: it wasn't on video. There may not be a recording,
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Speaker 2: and the jury, if there is one, had to just
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Speaker 2: believe what the cops said.
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Speaker 3: This is on recording.
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Speaker 2: Now he says he actually ropes in one of his
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Speaker 2: little boys and says, oh, yes, my son saw her
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Speaker 2: leave in the car. I'm not sure he actually saw,
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Speaker 2: but yes, I think my son saw her leave. But
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Speaker 2: I heard her say here's my driver. That's a lot
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Speaker 2: of detail, Brian Fitzgibbons. And the more detail you can
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Speaker 2: give me, the more I can shoot you down. It
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Speaker 2: gives me one more bullet.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, as attorney Matthew Morris just said, you know, these
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Speaker 6: con men are very confident, and you know as it
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Speaker 6: leads towards almost like a narcissistic tendency to spin these
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Speaker 6: stories that they themselves have come to believe, and they
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Speaker 6: believe that they can convince law enforcement of what they're saying.
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Speaker 6: And really what they're doing is digging their whole deeper
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Speaker 6: and deeper and deeper with all of these details that
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Speaker 6: won't be able to be corroborated.
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Speaker 2: Brian has gibbons, you and I and I'm fascinating with this.
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Speaker 2: I love it when a defendant takes a stand or
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Speaker 2: gives a statement the way that they lie. I was
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Speaker 2: always amazed. I could watch Jody Arius all day and
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Speaker 2: all night, because it's like looking at a poisonous snake
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Speaker 2: or tarantula under a glass box.
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Speaker 3: I watch her lie, and she does it so well.
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Speaker 2: She changed her story over and over and over to
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Speaker 2: explain how her boyfriend or ex boyfriend, Travis Alexander was
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Speaker 2: slaughtered naked in a shower.
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Speaker 3: It went from one version.
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Speaker 2: To the next, including that Ninja's dressed all in black,
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Speaker 2: came into the home and murdered him and somehow she
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Speaker 2: miraculously escaped. You gotta hear the detail Brian Walsh is
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Speaker 2: giving regarding that last morning his wife was home with
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Speaker 2: him and the boys. Okay, he even describes what she's
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Speaker 2: wearing when she gets ready for her trip to the SPA.
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Speaker 11: Listen, she probably got two and a half or three
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Speaker 11: hours of sleep, okay, and then she e then she
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Speaker 11: gets up and you hear her like in the bath.
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Speaker 10: And getting ready, and then and then it wasn't been six.
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Speaker 10: I didn't see the clock, but it was it was
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Speaker 10: dark outside still so and.
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Speaker 11: That's when she came down and she does in the
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Speaker 11: final that cleans up and stuff like that.
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Speaker 10: You know, did you sleep through that whole morning routine?
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Speaker 2: Yes?
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Speaker 10: I did.
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Speaker 2: You know.
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Speaker 10: I used to get up and she was like you
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Speaker 10: would be a boy there to get out, So I
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Speaker 10: was like, you're right, But she she talked and kisses me.
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Speaker 2: She kisses him all right, that she's getting up in
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Speaker 2: her bathroom after only three hours of sleep and she's
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Speaker 2: getting ready to go, and she does a final clean
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Speaker 2: up and says I love you. And then to Dave
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Speaker 2: mac Crime Stories investigative reporter, then he really steps in
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Speaker 2: it because he talks about her calling saying I'm late,
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Speaker 2: I'm in the car. My flight was canceled, so I'm
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Speaker 2: gonna have to drive.
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Speaker 3: Is that what he says?
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Speaker 2: Because you know, calls from cell phones obviously can be tracked,
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Speaker 2: Dave Matt.
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Speaker 7: You know, Brian Walsh, being the accomplished fabricator of his
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Speaker 7: own stories, messes up big time here when he starts
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Speaker 7: getting into those very specific things, saying that she had
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Speaker 7: drive instead of catching a flight. Well, as you just mentioned,
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Speaker 7: all of these things are trackable, but he doesn't realize
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Speaker 7: her phone is not with her, it's not singing with
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Speaker 7: her anywhere that he claims that she is. And all
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Speaker 7: of the things that he says are verifiable, and he
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Speaker 7: just keeps digging the hole. Nancy. But again, this is
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Speaker 7: not something that can't be proved because her cell phone
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Speaker 7: is popping up all around co hasard around the home.
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Speaker 2: You know another thing, Dave Matt and I remember catching
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Speaker 2: this two or three times a week to go to
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Speaker 2: d C to be with Larry King. There are flights
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Speaker 2: between DC, Boston, d C and LaGuardia on the hour,
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Speaker 2: on the hour. So his story is she was upset
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Speaker 2: because she missed that one flight, so decided to drive
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Speaker 2: to DC.
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Speaker 1: Wait, hey, just wait an hour.
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Speaker 2: It's like a bus and you can catch the next one.
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Speaker 3: But more important than.
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Speaker 2: That is the fact that her phone pinged elsewhere.
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Speaker 3: So he's just spinning it all out, and you know
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Speaker 3: what control him.
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Speaker 2: He just showed me a photo and I distinctly spot
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Speaker 2: a bruise over her eye in a little scratch. So wow,
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Speaker 2: I wonder how that happened. Isn't it true, Ann Emerson
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Speaker 2: that Anna Walsh had called police before in fear that
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Speaker 2: Brian Walsh would kill her.
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Speaker 8: It was a very unhealthy relationship, and it sounds like
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Speaker 8: she was already in fear of her life, trying to
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Speaker 8: figure out what to do next, and had you know,
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Speaker 8: been confiding that there was issues, that her life was
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Speaker 8: a mess and that she needed help. And you know,
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Speaker 8: it's so interesting to hear, you know, from a forensic
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Speaker 8: psychologist about like what could be that this is the
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Speaker 8: most dangerous moment of her life. I mean, we were
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Speaker 8: coming to a head, weren't we. There was no way
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Speaker 8: she was going to be able to take that kind
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Speaker 8: of abuse any more. She had hit her limit. Obviously,
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Speaker 8: there was this moment that the dam was breaking. And
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Speaker 8: that's really what we're saying. This beautiful, gorgeous woman, very
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Speaker 8: petite and just so lovely, that she would have to
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Speaker 8: get to this point with a two year old, a
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Speaker 8: four year old, a six year old, little boys in
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Speaker 8: her home. We all know what it's like to get
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Speaker 8: into something with somebody at home, like a argument with somebody,
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Speaker 8: and you've got little kids at home, and you're just
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Speaker 8: trying to like not loud and not scare the children,
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Speaker 8: and you know, I can only imagine what this woman
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Speaker 8: had to deal with up until this moment. It is
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Speaker 8: just it's beyond nancy, It's beyond defense.
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Speaker 12: Attorney Larry Tipton tells of the loving, wonderful marriage of
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Speaker 12: Brian and Anna Walsh. Tipton says the couple becomes closer
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Speaker 12: romantically as they take advantage of their limited time together
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Speaker 12: when Anna comes home on weekends.
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Speaker 13: In the days leading.
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Speaker 4: Up to Anna's disappearance, Brian becomes consumed by jealousy, obsessively
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Speaker 4: watching explicit videos and spiraling into suspense of his wife's infidelity.
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Speaker 4: Could this have been the tippy point?
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Speaker 2: What specifically is cut called porn? To you, Doctor Sheryl Erict,
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Speaker 2: What is cut porn?
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Speaker 5: It's pornography that eroticizes a partner cheating on you. And
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Speaker 5: it can be voyeuristic of somebody watching their partner be
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Speaker 5: with someone else, either with them in the room or
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Speaker 5: them watching somebody cheating on somebody else. It can be
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Speaker 5: a way of eroticizing that loss of control, a way
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Speaker 5: of trying to gain control over this. But it is
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Speaker 5: juxtaposed with this guy basically feeling this very common feeling
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Speaker 5: of if I can't have you, no one can. So
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Speaker 5: I look at this like he went back and forth
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Speaker 5: between trying to turn this into something sexual, to gain
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Speaker 5: ca control of it, or to understand it. And at
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Speaker 5: the same time.
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Speaker 2: You know why, Dinna Cheryl, I really respect you, but
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Speaker 2: I doubt pretty seriously. He's watching porn hub to get
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Speaker 2: a deeper understanding of his wife's psyche.
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Speaker 3: I'm not buying that. Listen.
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Speaker 12: Three days before Anna Walsh has last seen alive, a
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Speaker 12: pornhub video is viewed on Brian Walsh's laptop about a
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Speaker 12: cheating wife. Tying into prosecutor's theory, Walsh knew Anna was
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Speaker 12: having an affair.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: RYF has Gibbons joining US Director Operations, USPA Nationwide Security.
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Speaker 2: He's joining us from the ritzy neighborhood of Cahasset where
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Speaker 2: police believe Anna Walsh was murdered and dismembered. You know,
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Speaker 2: you and I I believe agree Brian has Gibbons that
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Speaker 2: there is no coincidence in criminal law, and I do
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Speaker 2: not believe that Brian Walsh stumbled upon porn hub videos,
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Speaker 2: cook porn, cuckold porn.
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Speaker 3: You know where it is, as doctor RYL.
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Speaker 2: Errett said, romanticized, like the husband comes home and he
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Speaker 2: takes off his jacket from a long day at work
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Speaker 2: and whoops, there his wife is in this five hundred
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Speaker 2: dollars Victoria Secret ensemble with like another guy.
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Speaker 3: Oh, I'm so surprised. And then he sneaks in the
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Speaker 3: closet and watches him.
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Speaker 2: I don't think that's what happened, And it's not that
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Speaker 2: airbrushed on porn Hub. I don't think he stumbled across cook.
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Speaker 3: Porn on porn Hub.
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Speaker 2: Like when I turn on my iPad or my laptop,
21:48
Speaker 2: porn Hub doesn't just pop up with cut porn. You
21:51
Speaker 2: have to find it, Fitzgibbons, you have to go look
21:55
Speaker 2: for it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Listen.
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Speaker 6: Investigators are revealing a really dark and damning digital history
22:06
Speaker 6: of Brian Walsh, both from his computer and his cell
22:09
Speaker 6: phone searches internet activity on these pornography sites. This can't
22:15
Speaker 6: be a coincidence. The searches, the pornography and then ultimately
22:20
Speaker 6: what happened to Anna.
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Speaker 2: Walsh and Matthew Morris joining us. I profile a lawyer
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Speaker 2: and digital forensic investigator. Matthew how many times in child
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Speaker 2: porn cases? Because just a guy watching porn is not
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Speaker 2: a crime, and if porn was emotive for murder husbands.
22:41
Speaker 2: Fifty percent of the husbands in the country would be
22:44
Speaker 2: on death.
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Speaker 3: Row right now.
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Speaker 2: But Matthew, the likelihood that cut porn just pops up
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Speaker 2: on your computer without you searching for it.
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Speaker 3: You're the digital expert. How likely is that?
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Speaker 9: Well, it's definitely not going to pop up on your
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Speaker 9: without searching for it. You know, when people are out
23:02
Speaker 9: searching for porn, they're using different kinds of terms, they're
23:05
Speaker 9: going to different kinds of websites, They're sort of following
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Speaker 9: a trail, and they end up where they end up.
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Speaker 9: And that looks like that's what happened here.
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Speaker 2: Okay, you know, I don't like what you just said, Matthew.
23:16
Speaker 2: They end up where they end up. It sounds like
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Speaker 2: somehow you're on the way to the bakery and you
23:23
Speaker 2: just get confused and you end up at the gas station. No,
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Speaker 2: n oh, cook porn, cook old porn where typically the
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Speaker 2: husband finds out his wife is sleeping with someone and
23:36
Speaker 2: I guess gets into it watching them. That's a very
23:39
Speaker 2: specific type of pornography. You don't just end up there.
23:43
Speaker 2: You have to seek it out.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, I guess When I say you end up where
23:48
Speaker 9: you end up, you end up there, because those are
23:50
Speaker 9: the words that you put into your internet browser, that
23:52
Speaker 9: you put into the porn website, and that's what came up,
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Speaker 9: and that's what you watch.
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Speaker 2: Straight to doctor Cheryl Eric joining me, clinical forensics psychologist.
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Speaker 3: There's a whole Pandora's box of.
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Speaker 2: Misogyny and psychoanalysis that I'm not equipped to make sense,
24:13
Speaker 2: but you are. I'm imagining Brian Walsh watching this video,
24:19
Speaker 2: a CUK porn video, cuck hold porn.
24:21
Speaker 3: What is a CUK called.
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Speaker 2: It's a man whose wife is cheating on him sexually,
24:25
Speaker 2: That's what that means.
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Speaker 3: So where would the theory.
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Speaker 2: That he is actually sadistic fit into him?
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Speaker 1: Brian Walsh. Walsh watching a.
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Speaker 2: Woman who's obviously his wife's substitute being raped or having
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Speaker 2: sex with another man.
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Speaker 5: Well degrading porn of a woman who represents your wife.
24:53
Speaker 5: There would be layers to that of sadism. We see,
24:57
Speaker 5: of course, the most profound sadism with actually cutting up
25:00
Speaker 5: your wife's body and dismembering her. But there are many layers,
25:05
Speaker 5: as you say, Pandora's box with this what this kind
25:08
Speaker 5: of porn can mean. There are voyeuristic aspects, there can
25:12
Speaker 5: be satism aspects. There can be masochistic aspects, as if
25:15
Speaker 5: she's my property but this other man is taking her.
25:18
Speaker 5: There can be arousal looking at the man in the pornography.
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Speaker 5: There there are so many different layers.
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Speaker 3: Place, you know what.
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Speaker 2: Look around, dactor, Cheryl, Are you at Windsor Castle having
25:31
Speaker 2: tea with Camilla?
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Speaker 3: No you're not.
25:34
Speaker 2: You're on crime stories with Nancy Grace. So let's not
25:38
Speaker 2: airbrush the truth. Jery's don't like it. You said that
25:43
Speaker 2: he would get a voyeuristic thrill from watching the man
25:46
Speaker 2: having sex with his wife.
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Speaker 3: He mean the man's penis.
25:51
Speaker 2: So is this kind of a Sean Diddy Combs scenario
25:55
Speaker 2: we've got going on here? Or Combs would sit in
25:58
Speaker 2: the corner during freak offs, rest in a burka from
26:01
Speaker 2: here up, naked from here down, and watch somebody else
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Speaker 2: a sex worker have sex with his girlfriend, I e.
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Speaker 2: Cassi Ventura. Is that what we're talking about here?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what we're talk so's by sexuality? Why not
26:17
Speaker 3: just come out with that? Why live a lie?
26:20
Speaker 2: Okay, so you've got that going on. You have the
26:23
Speaker 2: voyeurism going on. What is voyeurism?
26:25
Speaker 5: Being sexually excited by watching other people have sex or
26:31
Speaker 5: be naked things like that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, again, let's not put perfume on the pig these.
26:39
Speaker 2: This is not a work by Reuben Okay, naked. This
26:44
Speaker 2: is a guy watching another guy have sex with his wife.
26:49
Speaker 2: To put it again ephemistically, so we've got him watching
26:54
Speaker 2: another guy's penis.
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Speaker 3: I don't care. I'm not judging. I'm all about the murder,
27:00
Speaker 3: all right.
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Speaker 2: And the fact that he's watching the degradation of a
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Speaker 2: wife substitute just before she disappears to a spa.
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Speaker 3: Okay to me, that's proved. If that means something.
27:10
Speaker 2: You have the sadistic feature of this seeing the wife
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Speaker 2: Anna's fill in on video being degraded by a man,
27:20
Speaker 2: and you have the masochistic aspect of this that he's
27:24
Speaker 2: humiliating himself the man watching the wife have an affair.
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Speaker 3: Okay, this is a Pandora's box.
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Speaker 2: I mean to you, Dave mac joining me Crime Stories
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Speaker 2: investigative reporter.
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Speaker 3: When was he watching the coke Hold porn seventh?
27:42
Speaker 2: Okay, that's three days before Anna is last seen alive.
27:47
Speaker 2: The porn video is viewed on Walsh's laptop about a
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Speaker 2: quote cheating wife.
27:54
Speaker 3: Why do I care?
27:56
Speaker 2: Brian Fitzgibbons. I care because a jear. We'll want to
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Speaker 2: hear motive. Motive, And this tells me that Brian Walsh
28:07
Speaker 2: knew his wife was sick of her common husband and
28:12
Speaker 2: was having an affair.
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Speaker 3: That's what it tells me.
28:15
Speaker 2: He's watching a video about a cheating wife. He knows
28:18
Speaker 2: his wife's cheating. Is that such a leap.
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Speaker 11: Not at all?
28:23
Speaker 14: And you know, prosecutors and investigators are going to build
28:27
Speaker 14: all of these circumstantial pieces around this story to paint
28:32
Speaker 14: a picture of the state of mind of Brian Walsh,
28:35
Speaker 14: the state of mind of Anna Walsh at the time
28:38
Speaker 14: of the murder.
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Speaker 6: Right, So this is very key to paint that picture.
28:43
Speaker 15: And it becomes romantically involved with another man, William Fastau,
28:47
Speaker 15: and Brian is looking for a way out and is
28:49
Speaker 15: with Fastaw on Christmas Eve and misses her flight back
28:52
Speaker 15: to Cohasset, ending up driving back home and missing most
28:56
Speaker 15: of Christmas with her family. Less than forty eight hours later,
28:59
Speaker 15: Brian wallsh's online looking for favorable states for men to
29:03
Speaker 15: get a divorce.
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Speaker 10: In mind, what do you think she us right now?
29:09
Speaker 11: You know, I like a lot of people that I said,
29:13
Speaker 11: maybe she's at a spa, you know, and she was
29:16
Speaker 11: under a lot of pressure.
29:17
Speaker 10: Doesn't remind her doesn't really tracked with my wife.
29:20
Speaker 11: She loved her job, she loved her family, so she's
29:23
Speaker 11: always been focused on that. And maybe the country happens
29:27
Speaker 11: selectly in Bella, Serbia. But yeah, I can't I can't
29:32
Speaker 11: imagine having a hard time. I mat having a hard time.
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Speaker 2: Okay, a minute joining me Anne Emerson, the star of
29:41
Speaker 2: Unsolved South Carolina, the murderog Murders, Money and mystery.
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Speaker 3: And did he just say his wife could be at
29:46
Speaker 3: a spot in Serbia.
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Speaker 8: It's so ridiculous. It's almost like he's trying to like
29:52
Speaker 8: come up with with different scenarios so that they'll just
29:55
Speaker 8: go away and stop asking him where his wife is.
29:59
Speaker 8: And the fact that are these these investigators are immediately
30:03
Speaker 8: like what are you talking about? I mean, it's not
30:08
Speaker 8: even like we've we've cornered him. It's like he's just
30:11
Speaker 8: this is kind to be one of the dumbest like
30:13
Speaker 8: ideas anyone's ever had.
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Speaker 2: You know what, He can talk about a spa in
30:17
Speaker 2: Serbia all he wants, but his Google searches tell a
30:22
Speaker 2: very different story. For instance, way to dispose of body
30:26
Speaker 2: parts after murder? How long before a body starts to smell?
30:31
Speaker 2: How to stop a body from decomposing? How to embalm
30:35
Speaker 2: a body? How long for someone to be missing to inherit?
30:39
Speaker 2: Can you throw away body parts?
30:43
Speaker 6: Cool?
30:43
Speaker 2: Ways to be buried? That's my personal favorite. How long
30:47
Speaker 2: does DNA last? How about forever?
30:48
Speaker 3: Walch? How to dispose of cell phone? Computer? Can luminol
30:52
Speaker 3: to take blood? Hello?
30:54
Speaker 15: Yes?
30:55
Speaker 3: How to dismember a body? Can baking? So to make
30:58
Speaker 3: a dead body smell? Good? Good?
31:01
Speaker 2: Your spouse is missing and you want a divorce. There's more,
31:06
Speaker 2: but I want you to hear once police find those
31:12
Speaker 2: Google searches, those damning Google searches. This is his new
31:18
Speaker 2: explanation about what happened to his wife.
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Speaker 3: Listen.
31:23
Speaker 12: After entertaining friends on New Year's Eve, Brian Walsh sends
31:27
Speaker 12: wife Anna to bed while he cleans up. In the
31:29
Speaker 12: early morning hours of the New Year. Walsh crawls into
31:32
Speaker 12: bed and nudges his wife and it doesn't respond. In
31:35
Speaker 12: that moment, Brian Walsh realizes his wife is dead. Sudden
31:40
Speaker 12: unexplained death, a medical phenomenon that few people ever even
31:44
Speaker 12: heard of.
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Speaker 2: Joining me now, Doctor Thomas Coin, Chief medical Examiner, district
31:51
Speaker 2: to Medical Examiner's Office, State of Florida. He is a
31:54
Speaker 2: forensic pathologist. He's a toxicologist. He is a neuropathologist. I'd
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Speaker 2: really like to talk to you about neuropathology. But guess what,
32:04
Speaker 2: I don't have Anna Walsh's head. Now, doctor Coin, we
32:10
Speaker 2: can assume without a body, that these Google searches tell
32:15
Speaker 2: us that Anna has been dead and dismembered based on
32:19
Speaker 2: the search. How do you dismember a body? How do
32:23
Speaker 2: you dismember a body?
32:24
Speaker 3: Dodgor Coin?
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Speaker 2: But first, what is this sudden, unexplained death phenomena?
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Speaker 13: Yeah, there's no real basis for that diagnosis. I mean,
32:37
Speaker 13: and my line of work, well, the only way that
32:40
Speaker 13: I would call something undetermined or suddenly or unexplained, if
32:44
Speaker 13: you will, is after a thorough investigation. It's a diagnosis
32:47
Speaker 13: of exclusion. So the only way to arrive at that
32:50
Speaker 13: diagnosis is to do a thorough investigation, which includes an autopsy,
32:55
Speaker 13: which wasn't done in this case. So there's no basis
32:57
Speaker 13: to that claim that you died soddenly or unexpectedly. And now,
33:02
Speaker 13: there are instances of persons with epilepsy about one in
33:04
Speaker 13: the thousand adults who have epilepsy can die in their sleep,
33:08
Speaker 13: and that's called sou dep or sudden unexplained death in
33:11
Speaker 13: persons with epilepsy. But there's no evidence here that she
33:14
Speaker 13: ever had any seizures or history of epilepsy, so again
33:17
Speaker 13: highly unlikely. There's just no real basis to that claim.
33:21
Speaker 2: Undetermined means very often when people quote die in their
33:26
Speaker 2: sleep unexplained, we find out later there was an explanation.
33:31
Speaker 2: I had a very very dear friend I worked with
33:33
Speaker 2: in the District Attorney's office. She was an Adya, died
33:37
Speaker 2: in her sleep, and I went off the rails, claiming
33:40
Speaker 2: that was impossible.
33:41
Speaker 3: Well, it was impossible. This is what happened. She was
33:45
Speaker 3: on she would take something at night.
33:47
Speaker 2: Help her sleep, like ambient or something, and she then
33:50
Speaker 2: took another peal because she was going to have oral
33:52
Speaker 2: surgery and she had been described the other peel in
33:56
Speaker 2: print for the surgery, and they combined and somehow killed
33:59
Speaker 2: her in then, and there had to be a very
34:02
Speaker 2: exhaustive toxicology to test to figure out what had happened.
34:06
Speaker 2: An you have people like I'm sure you're familiar with
34:09
Speaker 2: Caultmom Laurie Valo and her crazy prophet husband his wife,
34:14
Speaker 2: Tammy died in her sleep.
34:16
Speaker 3: Turns out she was asphyxiated.
34:18
Speaker 2: So I'm not buying to die in your sleep of
34:20
Speaker 2: natural causes either, doctor Coin. So you think that's lame, correct.
34:25
Speaker 13: Absolutely, It's very rare for a person to die without
34:28
Speaker 13: any cause, especially a person just from looking at our pictures,
34:31
Speaker 13: she seems very healthy, and we've heard no reporter for
34:33
Speaker 13: having any underlying meattal conditions, and so very rare for
34:37
Speaker 13: an adult person to die of undetermined causes. We have
34:41
Speaker 13: so many tools at our disposal to figure out that
34:43
Speaker 13: cause of death. So had there been a body, I'm
34:46
Speaker 13: sure we would have been able to determine, which I
34:48
Speaker 13: think in this case would have been murdered.
34:55
Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Gray. Now to the Google search,
35:03
Speaker 2: how do you dismember a body?
35:07
Speaker 3: I think you know the answer to that, doctor Coin.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, I think you know. Just coming out of Thanksgiving,
35:12
Speaker 13: it's very difficult, right. Think about a turkey, right, In
35:14
Speaker 13: order to cut through a turkey, you have to physically
35:17
Speaker 13: break the joint or disarticulate the joints that connect to
35:21
Speaker 13: the body and then use a very sharp knife to
35:24
Speaker 13: cut through those. So you have to have some underlying
35:27
Speaker 13: understanding of human anatomy to do that. But a human
35:30
Speaker 13: is much bigger than a turkey, so it's a lot
35:32
Speaker 13: harder to do. So it would be a lot of work,
35:35
Speaker 13: and there would also be a lot of blood. So
35:37
Speaker 13: you would have to do it in an area that
35:39
Speaker 13: you can effectively clean up or not leave any evidence thereof,
35:43
Speaker 13: such as a carpeted, you know, room you'd want to
35:47
Speaker 13: you know, have all of your appropriate tools in place,
35:49
Speaker 13: and so for a body. Very often in my cases
35:52
Speaker 13: that I've worked up, I've seen people use knives, saws,
35:56
Speaker 13: both electric and manual saws, as well as chainsaws or
36:01
Speaker 13: other bigger devices.
36:02
Speaker 3: So his claim, uh, go with me on this. Brian Fitzgibbons.
36:08
Speaker 2: His claim that he woke up and found Anna dead
36:11
Speaker 2: inner sleep next to him is belied disproved by his
36:18
Speaker 2: Google search ways to dispose of body parts after the murder.
36:26
Speaker 3: Murder, Well, he just said she died in her sleep.
36:31
Speaker 2: We also find out that he was obsessed with and
36:34
Speaker 2: searched for the trash bag killer Patrick Kearney, a serial killer.
36:40
Speaker 2: He researches how to clean up the mess made from
36:43
Speaker 2: dismembering someone, and he even asked did dishwashers remove blood
36:48
Speaker 2: and if he should trash his blood stained closed. There's Keernie.
36:52
Speaker 2: He's a fine looking fellow. But to Bryan Fitzgibbons, that's
36:56
Speaker 2: a subtle but critical fact. He looked, how do I
37:00
Speaker 2: dispose body parts after murder? Not after finding my wife
37:04
Speaker 2: dead in her sleep.
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Speaker 6: That's a great point, and the defense here is asking
37:09
Speaker 6: us to take an incredible leap, right to walk a
37:14
Speaker 6: long way to say that number one, these searches exist,
37:18
Speaker 6: right and explain those a way that this was just
37:21
Speaker 6: born out of a moment of panic, that his wife
37:24
Speaker 6: was found dead in the bed and then his next
37:27
Speaker 6: move is to dismember her.
37:29
Speaker 10: Right.
37:29
Speaker 6: This is a wild connection they're asking us to make here.
37:35
Speaker 2: There are also photos we've obtained of the alleged cleanup.
37:40
Speaker 2: While we're looking at those photos, Dave Mac, what was found?
37:45
Speaker 2: And what can you tell me about video of him
37:48
Speaker 2: throwing out tra Oh my goodness, he was a busy bee,
37:51
Speaker 2: wasn't he. This must be a Black Friday's hell because
37:55
Speaker 2: he's really stocking up on cleaning supplies.
37:58
Speaker 3: Dave Mac, what did he get? I believe if it
38:00
Speaker 3: was home depot.
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Speaker 7: It was at home depot and at Loe's he actually
38:05
Speaker 7: was getting He got a Tiebeck suit, you know, one
38:08
Speaker 7: of the things you wear when you're cleaning up you know,
38:12
Speaker 7: hazardous waist. Of course he got bagged and he got
38:15
Speaker 7: all the cleaning supply, you know, bleach and everything you
38:18
Speaker 7: could possibly use to clean up a huge mess. But
38:22
Speaker 7: you know, inside the house, beyond finding well what appeared
38:26
Speaker 7: to be blood, they found a lot hacksaw, a blade,
38:31
Speaker 7: you know, with what appeared to be blood on it.
38:35
Speaker 7: It was like everything they found had blood on it.
38:38
Speaker 7: And then you mentioned what was seen on video. Well,
38:42
Speaker 7: as the investigators were trying to check out the stories
38:45
Speaker 7: that Brian Walsh was telling, they sent six investigators into
38:50
Speaker 7: the area where Walsh claimed he was. You know when
38:53
Speaker 7: he said he went to the grocery store. Well they
38:55
Speaker 7: sent detectives like we're going to find out, and of
38:58
Speaker 7: course they were able to find out he was nowhere
39:00
Speaker 7: where he said he was. But they've got him on
39:03
Speaker 7: video going up to trash hands, public trash hands, apartment
39:07
Speaker 7: trash hands and dumping huge bags, sealed bags of garbage,
39:13
Speaker 7: just dumping it away all over.
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Speaker 2: You know what Dave mac this, Oh there he is,
39:20
Speaker 2: you know he I didn't want to guess he didn't
39:23
Speaker 2: want to get caught in the rush hour traffic. He
39:26
Speaker 2: decided to throw out all those trash bags in the
39:28
Speaker 2: dark of night. And he's bringing back a lot of
39:31
Speaker 2: fond memories of another guy that murdered his wife, allegedly
39:36
Speaker 2: photus at Dulos, may he rotten hell. He murdered his wife,
39:42
Speaker 2: the mother of his five children, Jennifer Dulos, and he
39:45
Speaker 2: and his mistress, Michelle Traconis were videoed all around town
39:51
Speaker 2: throwing Oh.
39:52
Speaker 3: There you go, Photus Doulos.
39:55
Speaker 2: I wonder how many times I view this throwing out
39:58
Speaker 2: trash bags. And he took the time to go to
40:01
Speaker 2: over a dozen public trash cans and get rid of
40:05
Speaker 2: trash bags like Kearnie, full of bloody rags, bloody towels,
40:10
Speaker 2: a bloody bra, his wife's bloody clothing, all over town
40:15
Speaker 2: and gleefully wingman Michiel Traconnas. There she goes, she dropped
40:20
Speaker 2: her cell phone and had to pick it up. She's
40:23
Speaker 2: caught on video too. That sounds like a fun afternoon date.
40:26
Speaker 2: Let's go dispose of your wife's bloody clothes. And now
40:30
Speaker 2: this dare I say, idiot? Brian Walsh is caught on
40:35
Speaker 2: video Dave mac throwing out multiple damning pieces of evidence.
40:47
Speaker 3: Where did he throw them? Dave?
40:50
Speaker 7: He threw them in an apartment complex trash dumpster near
40:56
Speaker 7: his mother's home where his mother lives.
40:59
Speaker 2: They all run home to mommy. You know, just for once,
41:05
Speaker 2: Brian Fitzgibbons, Can somebody surprise me?
41:09
Speaker 3: You know?
41:09
Speaker 2: It's like people always a like homing pigeons. They go
41:13
Speaker 2: to where they're familiar. For instance, here's a great one
41:17
Speaker 2: I always use, Scott Peterson. Where does he dump his
41:19
Speaker 2: wife Lacy in their unborn child's body in his fishing hole?
41:23
Speaker 2: That's where he takes him. San Francisco Bay. He goes
41:26
Speaker 2: to his old marina where he always goes, and he
41:28
Speaker 2: spotted in his vehicle with the boat in the back
41:33
Speaker 2: and her body in the back of the boat covered
41:35
Speaker 2: up with a tarp.
41:36
Speaker 3: Surprise me, Where does this guy go Mommy's.
41:40
Speaker 2: He goes to her location on this long cecuitist route,
41:44
Speaker 2: just like Brian Coburger, this.
41:46
Speaker 3: Long secutust route. He says he got lost.
41:48
Speaker 2: On the way to his mom's and along the way
41:51
Speaker 2: he dumps all the evidence.
41:53
Speaker 9: What about it, Fitzgibbons, And I'll add another one that
41:57
Speaker 9: you and I have both worked on.
41:59
Speaker 6: Nikki Sale McCain. You know Tyler McCain back at his
42:03
Speaker 6: mother's residence on the Reading Rancheria right after she went missing.
42:08
Speaker 6: You know we see this time and again. They're gonna
42:11
Speaker 6: go to a familiar place.
42:13
Speaker 13: Uh.
42:13
Speaker 6: He probably believed that that dumpster did not have video
42:16
Speaker 6: surveillance on it. It is my guess that he was
42:20
Speaker 6: familiar with the dumpster and didn't think it was being surveilled.
42:24
Speaker 2: Let's hear him try to talk his way out of this.
42:27
Speaker 2: Listen to Brian Walsh from the Horse's Mouth.
42:30
Speaker 3: I can't make this up.
42:32
Speaker 10: There is dozens of surgers. And then on the morning
42:37
Speaker 10: of the first how to dispose of the body, how
42:42
Speaker 10: to get blood out of hardwood? For us? How do
42:45
Speaker 10: you dispose of the body of the tread? How to
42:50
Speaker 10: uh saw the body from deposing? And how do you
42:55
Speaker 10: explain that, I'm right here?
42:59
Speaker 2: How do you get blood out of hardwood floors? How
43:03
Speaker 2: to dispose of a body in the trash? How to
43:07
Speaker 2: stop a body from decomposing? Well that's not all here,
43:12
Speaker 2: he tries to rope in his own children.
43:15
Speaker 10: How do you explain that?
43:17
Speaker 5: Well?
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Speaker 3: The area, Yeah, that is really weird. Brian Walsh, we
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Speaker 3: wait as just as unfolds in a court of law.
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Speaker 2: If you know or think you know anything about Anna
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Speaker 3: And now we remember an American.
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Speaker 2: Hero, Sergeant Terry Mascow, Indian River County Sheriffs, shot in
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Speaker 2: the light of duty, serving twenty five years, leaving behind
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Speaker 2: a grieving husband, a daughter, and a stepson. American hero
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Speaker 2: Sergeant Terry Mascow. Nancy Gray signing off good bye friend,