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7/8/26: Trump Says Iran Ceasefire Over, Bibi Rages Over Turkey, Platner Fallout Continues · Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

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  Speaker 1: major comments abroad in Ankora, basically saying the Memorandum of
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  Speaker 1: understanding is over, as well as this East fire. This
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  Speaker 1: follows retaliatory strikes between Iran and the United States. Iran
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  Speaker 1: then firing back at US basis probably the biggest exchange
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  Speaker 1: of fire since the ceasefire began. I don't even know
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  Speaker 1: who the date is at this point about yeah, it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't matter. Along with probably the biggest news is the
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  Speaker 1: revocation of American or sorry, the reimposition of American sanctions
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  Speaker 1: on Iranian oil, almost certainly to invite a major Iranian
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  Speaker 1: response and perhaps a resumption of the war. Oil markets
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  Speaker 1: popping a little bit, but still delusional as has been
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  Speaker 1: the case.
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  Speaker 4: Turkey. We're going to talk about that.
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  Speaker 1: Ryan and Emily covered a little bit of this on Monday,
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  Speaker 1: but BB Netanya who all over American cable news to
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  Speaker 1: tell us why Turkey is actually our greatest enemy and
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  Speaker 1: Iran's over now it's all about Turkey. Trump making some
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  Speaker 1: comments there Bb putting his full thumb on the scale
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  Speaker 1: to prevent the sale of F thirty five's, and BB
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  Speaker 1: actually saying some of the quiet part out loud. So
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  Speaker 1: this will be a major tussle between the US and Israel.
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  Speaker 1: Wonder who I would put my money in terms of
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  Speaker 1: winning that fight. We are going to talk about Graham
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  Speaker 1: Platner situation in Maine. There is a basically I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I would describe it as a full blown coup attempt
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  Speaker 1: now currently happening in Maine.
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  Speaker 4: You can evaluate for yourself.
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  Speaker 1: But the executive director of the main Democratic party out
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  Speaker 1: this morning, Ryan's saying that Graham Platner should have absolutely
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  Speaker 1: no say whatsoever in who replaces him. Full scale civil
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  Speaker 1: war between the establishment and Graham Plattner in perhaps who
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  Speaker 1: will replace him. It does appear all signs currently point
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  Speaker 1: to him dropping out, but we're not entirely sure yet.
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  Speaker 1: I know that this is a bit difficult to bros
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  Speaker 1: a lot of this is going to be reporting. Ryan
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  Speaker 1: has some exclusive reporting that he can show everybody for
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  Speaker 1: some of the text messages that led up to this
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  Speaker 1: exchange between Graham Plattner and his current accuser, which Politico
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  Speaker 1: had but did not release, which in and of itself,
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  Speaker 1: in my opinion, is immediate journalism. It is not how
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  Speaker 1: to doournalism whatsoever. This is in addition to some new
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  Speaker 1: interviews from CNN and others of people who are accusing
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's go ahead and start with Iran. As
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  Speaker 1: Ryan said, some crazy stuff happening there. Trump basically saying
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  Speaker 1: the ceasefire is over in Ankra. Let's take a listen.
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  Speaker 7: I think it's over. I don't want to deal with them.
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  Speaker 7: There's scum. You know what scum is. There's scum, there's
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  Speaker 7: sick people. They're led by sick people, and they're vicious,
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  Speaker 7: violent people, and if they had a nuclear weapon, they'd
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  Speaker 7: use it. As far as I'm concerned, it's over. I'll
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  Speaker 7: speak to our negotiators. They want to negotiate. They're good people,
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  Speaker 7: Steve Woodcuff, Jared Kusher, but they have to come back
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  Speaker 7: to me. As far as I'm concerned, it's just a
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  Speaker 7: waste of time dealing with them. They're liars.
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  Speaker 8: We make a deal, and then if I make a
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  Speaker 8: deal with him, we have a deal, and who goes out?
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  Speaker 8: He talks, We make a deal. Everyone's agreed. No nuclear weapon,
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  Speaker 8: we make a deal, they go outside, talk to the press.
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  Speaker 8: They say, we never even talked about it. There's something
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  Speaker 8: wrong with them. They're cuckoo. As far as I'm concerned,
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  Speaker 8: you'se over.
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  Speaker 1: As far as I'm concerned, it's over, he says now
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  Speaker 1: multiple times. So let's go and put the next one.
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  Speaker 1: Take a listen, where he talks specifically about the strikes
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  Speaker 1: on Iran, describing them as twenty to one in terms
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  Speaker 1: of what the US received.
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  Speaker 4: Let's take a listen.
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  Speaker 7: We have attacked Tuary powerfully last night, the very dangerous
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  Speaker 7: people from Iran. They're sick. There's something wrong with him.
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  Speaker 7: We say, go and do your funeral stuff. And instead
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  Speaker 7: of that, they start shooting rockets at chips yesterday. And
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  Speaker 7: so we hit him very hard last night, very hard.
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  Speaker 7: I would say twenty to one, twenty times tougher, and
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  Speaker 7: every time we hit. And of course they're dirty players,
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  Speaker 7: so they go after everyone, probably including me. I've been
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  Speaker 7: number one on their list for years. And there are
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  Speaker 7: a bunch of scum. You want to know that, this scum,
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  Speaker 7: and so we don't like them. I don't like them,
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  Speaker 7: and they're evil people. And it's the denuclearization of Iran,
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  Speaker 7: and we're gonna de nuke it. We're not gonna let
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  Speaker 7: them because they're crazy and they can't have a nuclear weapon,
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  Speaker 7: and they go around killing people. They've killed thousands and
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  Speaker 7: thousands of our soldiers, They've killed hundreds of thousands of
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  Speaker 7: innocent people.
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  Speaker 1: Evil people were going to denuke it. This is all
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  Speaker 1: I mean. Look, let's put a one up here just
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  Speaker 1: to show you even the shift and language from the
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  Speaker 1: United States. The US Central Command Forces have begun launching
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  Speaker 1: a series of powerful strikes against Iran. No, this time,
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  Speaker 1: they don't even say powerful self defense strikes like they
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  Speaker 1: usually do, which in and of itself is a meaningless
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  Speaker 1: phrase to impose heavy costs for targeting and attacking commercial
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  Speaker 1: shipping crewed by innocent civilians in an international waterway. The
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  Speaker 1: US strikes are in response to Iranian attacks on three
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  Speaker 1: commercial vessels that were transiting the Strait of horm Moves.
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  Speaker 1: So what this basically comes down to is a complete
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  Speaker 1: disagreement on what it actually means to have the memorandum
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  Speaker 1: manamorandum of understanding and the phrase specifically that says free
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  Speaker 1: passage to the Strait of horm Moves.
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  Speaker 4: The Iranian understanding.
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  Speaker 1: Of the of the phrase free passage is yes, you
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  Speaker 1: can go through for free through with coordination with Iranian authorities.
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  Speaker 1: The American version of that is, we can go through
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  Speaker 1: however we want, including through routes set up by the
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  Speaker 1: United States military and the government of Oman. Iran is
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  Speaker 1: desperately and is basically willing to blow up the entire
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  Speaker 1: ceasefire over. Basically, they are threatening to blow up an
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  Speaker 1: entire cease fire over the idea of control over the
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  Speaker 1: Strait of Horror moves because it is their ultimate leverage
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  Speaker 1: that they were able to exert in this war. The
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  Speaker 1: economic news basically as Robert Pape has described it here
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  Speaker 1: on our show, and why I think that's very important
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  Speaker 1: is just that there is a total mismatch between what
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  Speaker 1: the US wants and what Iran wants. Iran wants not
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  Speaker 1: only security for itself for all time, but also to
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  Speaker 1: increase its overall regional power. So that's why the ceasefire
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  Speaker 1: in and of itself, they don't particularly care about taking
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  Speaker 1: some more of these smaller strikes, which on Kasham Island
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  Speaker 1: or around the Strait of Hormuz. The United States needs
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  Speaker 1: an immediate drop in oil prices remember Brent crude still
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  Speaker 1: around seventy six dollars per barrel. The national price of
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  Speaker 1: gasoline is still some three seventy, still a full dollar
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  Speaker 1: above where it was before the war even began. So
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  Speaker 1: you could see is Trump while he can say all
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  Speaker 1: of these things, he can't fully resume the war either.
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  Speaker 1: So we're in this very difficult status quo where oil
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  Speaker 1: is going to remain high, and in the interim you
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  Speaker 1: have chaos. You know, really in the straight RNE, you've
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  Speaker 1: got shipping slowing down. You had a Katari LNG tanker
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  Speaker 1: which got hit, which is a huge, huge deal because
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  Speaker 1: Katar was one of their major much more explosive. Yeah, yeah, exactly,
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  Speaker 1: much more flammable.
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  Speaker 5: And we can look at a bullet five of the
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  Speaker 5: MoU reads the Islamic Republic of Iran will make arrangements
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  Speaker 5: using its best efforts for the safe passage of commercial
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  Speaker 5: vessels with no charge for sixty days only from the
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  Speaker 5: Persian Gulf to the Sea of Oman and vice versas.
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  Speaker 5: The Straight of Hormuz. The traffic of commercial vehicles will
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  Speaker 5: immediately start. So Iran is clearly reading that they will
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  Speaker 5: make the arrangements using their best efforts for the safe
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  Speaker 5: passage in coordination and in coordination with oman Now, what
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  Speaker 5: the US has been doing is they've been trying to
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  Speaker 5: tell all of these ships go through the Southern passage
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  Speaker 5: that is on the Omani side, and do not coordinate
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  Speaker 5: with Iran. Iran isn't asking for money, but they want
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  Speaker 5: basically give me your license plate, license and registration. And
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  Speaker 5: the US does not want to institutionalize the process of
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  Speaker 5: these international ships working with Iran to go through because
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  Speaker 5: that is then effectively seeding the idea that they control it.
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  Speaker 5: But if that was something that if you ask me,
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  Speaker 5: that the US wanted, maybe they should have negotiated for
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  Speaker 5: that better exactly in the talks, like that's where you
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  Speaker 5: work that out. So Iran is saying, hey, we didn't
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  Speaker 5: get their license and registration. We're hitting them. Now. Trump
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  Speaker 5: has a huge problem here. Even twenty to one strikes
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  Speaker 5: are not going to persuade Iran that their position should
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  Speaker 5: change on this question. Yes, Trump has already demonstrated that
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  Speaker 5: he does not have the military capacity to bend Iran's
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  Speaker 5: will on the strait of her moves like we all
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  Speaker 5: watched it happen, And so that leaves either massive escalation
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  Speaker 5: and occupation of Iran and complete decapitation of not just
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  Speaker 5: the regime, but like complete regime change, and you install
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  Speaker 5: the show or whatever like you.
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  Speaker 4: Need the SHOT's Philson who lives here in Maryland.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, so that there's that, or there's the negotiations.
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  Speaker 5: This back and forth where they fire on ships and
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  Speaker 5: we fire on them does not change the status quo,
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  Speaker 5: right They still like right now, if you're a ship,
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  Speaker 5: no matter how many times the US has just bombed
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  Speaker 5: run over the last twenty four hours, you still better
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  Speaker 5: coordinate with Iran to or you're gonna get hit.
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  Speaker 1: Let's put a four up here on the screen. This
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  Speaker 1: is about transits through the Strait of horn Moves. You
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  Speaker 1: can actually see what they look like in terms of
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  Speaker 1: how they have gone down, halted, transit anchored instead of
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  Speaker 1: entering the strait.
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  Speaker 4: Remember I mean, whenever.
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  Speaker 1: We say, oh is the straight open, it's really up
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  Speaker 1: to Iran, and it's up to the insurance company and
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  Speaker 1: then the company itself. The company says we're not going through,
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  Speaker 1: and insurance says, nope, don't do it.
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  Speaker 4: Well, then we're not going to.
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  Speaker 1: You can actually literally see the circle there where a
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  Speaker 1: ship is refusing to go through the Strait, So we
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  Speaker 1: are not even close to resuming normal traffic through the straight.
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  Speaker 1: This was already a problem. We've had multiple strikes now
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  Speaker 1: by Iran in the Strait. We had what was it,
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  Speaker 1: a renewal of said ceasefire. Nobody's saying that that can't
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  Speaker 1: happen tomorrow. But this type of language from Trump combined.
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  Speaker 1: I think you guys covered when I was gone, the
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  Speaker 1: comments from the Vice President Jade Vance, where he was like, look,
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  Speaker 1: the ceasefire gives us an opportunity to rearm. Who can
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  Speaker 1: restock our oil? I'm like, uh, well, you know, if
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  Speaker 1: I'm Iran and I'm listening to that, I'm like, well,
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  Speaker 1: maybe I should start shooting, and now I should never
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  Speaker 1: stop shooting.
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  Speaker 5: Actually, I'm not going to let you sneak past I think.
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  Speaker 1: And also remember, you know, Iran has internal politics too.
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  Speaker 1: Take a look at the funeral where it was some
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  Speaker 1: millions of people, and guess what. There is a huge
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  Speaker 1: faction of the Iranian government who opposed the ceasefire from
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  Speaker 1: day one, huge faction of the IRGC who said you
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  Speaker 1: are making a catastrophic mistake. They're going to rearm and
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  Speaker 1: they're going to bomb us and According to Tret de Parsi,
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  Speaker 1: the internal belief inside of Iran is that Israel in
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  Speaker 1: the United States will resume the war within six months,
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  Speaker 1: exactly like they did the last time. And so this
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  Speaker 1: is all setting the stage potentially for a major conflagration
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  Speaker 1: or confrontation. This will not happen tomorrow, necessarily, it could
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  Speaker 1: happen months from now, but on again, off again, we're
• 14:13
  Speaker 1: probably not going to have time to cover the situation
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: in Ukraine. Perfect example, the critical nexus of the battle
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: in Ukraine is now where you have a development of
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: the drone threat. You have Moscow and Ukraine locked in
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: the contest, ballistic missiles they're flying over the top, and
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: Ukraine having the ability to strike deep inside of Russia
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: to Russian oil refineries. That's where the strategic calculus leaps
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  Speaker 1: to another level. And it's very unfortunate because we have
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  Speaker 1: effectively entered forever war territory here. In terms of the logic,
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  Speaker 1: it's easier to just mow the lawn with Iran. It's
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  Speaker 1: easier for Iran to just constantly, you know, sit there
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  Speaker 1: and be like, look, we're not getting you know, completely
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  Speaker 1: pounded by bombs. We can lob a few bombs and
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  Speaker 1: straits of horn moves and continue to negotiate over time.
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  Speaker 1: That instability in the global market and order is exactly
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  Speaker 1: what is diminishing US power will keep having a magnet
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  Speaker 1: for the US, and it's leading to crazy situations like
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: Asia Pacific abandoning the United States. The European NATO summit,
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: half of it with the European leaders is about how
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: can we stop being dependent on America? Like, we can't
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: be dependent on these people the entire world seeing a
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: pushback and America not even having the ability even if
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: they wanted to arm Ukraine today we can't. We don't
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  Speaker 1: have anything we use.
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  Speaker 4: It to do at all.
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  Speaker 5: And to add to your point about Iran's internal calculations,
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  Speaker 5: yesterday there were two million plus mourners in Najaf, Iraq
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  Speaker 5: for the Iatola so and the morning in Karbila is
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  Speaker 5: expected to be even bigger than that. So what Iran
• 15:44
  Speaker 5: is seeing is millions of people not just pouring out
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  Speaker 5: into the streets of Iran, but also also Iraq. So
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  Speaker 5: they're seeing themselves. They're seeing themselves you know, solidify and
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  Speaker 5: develop as a significant regional power. And so yeah, twenty
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  Speaker 5: to one air strikes from President Trump aren't aren't going
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  Speaker 5: to do it. We can put up a five. The
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  Speaker 5: geopolitical implications of this Katari ship getting hit are are
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  Speaker 5: significant as well. You know, Cutter had reached some kind
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  Speaker 5: of agreement with Iran, and what Iran is showing here
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  Speaker 5: is that we may we may have an agreement, but
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  Speaker 5: if you're not respecting the rules that we're setting up
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  Speaker 5: to get ships through the straight up our moves, your
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  Speaker 5: even your LNG tanker is going to get hit, which
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  Speaker 5: everyone here is playing with fire like, could be absolutely
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  Speaker 5: you know, could catastrophic attack, you know, for everybody on board,
• 16:43
  Speaker 5: anybody nearby, and also ecologically for the entire for the
• 16:47
  Speaker 5: entire region. So far that they've been almost lucky that
• 16:53
  Speaker 5: this is all that's happened so far. Put up a
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: six from drop site. Up to five ships now may
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: have been hit just over the past the key days.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: There is that southern Omani route, which is as far
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: away from Bran as possibility where you can really say far,
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: because it's.
• 17:11
  Speaker 5: Like obviously closing up.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really not that far. That's the entire problem
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: with the geography.
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: Drones and hand grenade for.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: Exactly right, and speedboats if that's something you want to
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: do too. And so we're just locked in this situation.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: How will it, you know, resolve? Who knows again? And
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: that's why it's always important to say. Trump says it's over,
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: you can't take that to the bank. Trump says that
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: it's back on. You can't take that to the bank either.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: There's all of these, but I will.
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: Say, as far as I'm concerned, it's back there.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: There are signals that are so in the same way
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: that the JD ascension and Geneva, the Lake Concerned summit
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: was it was a positive sign. But you can't take
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: back these comments about Israel or any of that.
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: You can't.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: These are all good. Well, now we're seeing signs in
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: the opposite direction. So one of the worst signs I
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: saw Pete Hegseth was on his way it Israel.
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: This it just got canceled. Well, bit of a problem.
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: Why does it do it get canceled? You could read
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: it two ways.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: One is there Matt at bebe over his comments on Turkey,
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: which we're about to talk about. One is we're about
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: to go back to war, so he needs to be
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: at the Pentagon. So both of these are you know,
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, one would be a positive, one would be
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: a negative. You also have Secretary Rubio who's traveling with
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: the president, not the Vice president who's here in Washington. Well,
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: well you've got the vice president away from the president.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: You've got the hawkish Secretary of State with the president
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: along with Secretary of Defense, two of the people who
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: opposed the ceasefire initially and always thought that it was
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: going to be a total failure. So all of these
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: tea leaves that we're reading around who are around Trump
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: and what they're urging him to do, et cetera. All
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: of this currently points in the direction of at least
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: a collapse of the memorandum understanding, which just leads to
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: even more instability, which means stock markets are going to
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: go down, oil prices will go slightly up, but no
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: way a return to normal, which is what everybody wanted
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: in the first place. Nobody wants this war except for Trump.
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: And we're down that ninety million barrels are in our
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: strategic reserve, that is, and we released I think six
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: million last week, so we're still going down. Ninety million
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: is nothing like you can see the bottom of that.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: Look, yeah, the strategic patrol and reserve and much more. Okay,
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: let's get to the Turkey situation. Turning now to the
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: situation with BB and Turkey, I mean they are full on.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: So BB is furious right now. Let's put B one
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: up here. You guys can see it. Trump arrived in
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Ankara to great fanfare. President Erdowan even met him on
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: the tarmac, which is such a huge deal. Apparently never
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: does that. And this show of ally ship between these
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: two long standing nations is throwing Israeli politics into complete chaos,
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: so much so that BB Netanyahoo has now taken to
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: Fox News and CNN, not his own press, to beg
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: the United States not to resume the sale of F
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: thirty five planes to Turkey, which of course is a
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: NATO ally and more important to you United States in
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: every way than Israel. But here he is saying it
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: will jeopardize not US security, but Israeli security, and that's
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: why we shouldn't do it.
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: Let's take a listen.
• 20:11
  Speaker 9: President Trump is in Turkey right now. He said this
• 20:13
  Speaker 9: morning he will consider selling F thirty five fighter jets
• 20:17
  Speaker 9: to Turkey, which is a reversal of a band he
• 20:20
  Speaker 9: put in place. You said yesterday that would quote upset
• 20:24
  Speaker 9: the power balance in the Middle East. Have you made
• 20:27
  Speaker 9: that clear to President Trump.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: Yes, I have actually spoke to him several times about it.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: And I think that everybody understands that notwithstanding the personal
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: friendship that President Trump has with Erdigan, it doesn't make
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: Turkey a friendly or a friendly state to the United States.
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: To the countrary, it's a regime that's infected with the
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: Muslim brotherhood, which hates the United States. He harbors Hamas,
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: the Hamas terras, he supports them, he finances them. He's
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: thrown his opponents in jail, all of them. He throws
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: more journalists in jail than anyone can understand. So he's
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: not exactly a model ally of the United States. But
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: even worse than that, he threatens Greece, a NATO ally.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: He occupies half of Cyprus, another NATO country. And the
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: most important thing, and I put it right on the table,
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: he threatens to destroy my country, the one and only
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: Jewish state is Number two says that we have no
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: place among the nations, and you know what that means.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: And his number three, the Interior Minister, says that he's
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: looking forward to be the governor of Jerusalem.
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: Hello, you know, we're a sovereign country.
• 21:40
  Speaker 9: He is considering giving the country these planes F thirty fives.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: Well, as I said, it would destroy the power balance
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: in the Middle East because because Turkey I think has
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: aggressive aspirations, I mean say that they want to restore
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: the Ottoman Empire. The Ottoman Empire not only included Turkey,
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: it included many other countries, included uh Syria, and included
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: pieces of Jordan, included all of present day Israel, included
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: some Gulf countries. So this is this is not a
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: force for peace and stability.
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: And if you give.
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: Uh uh you know, this kind of radical regime that
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: admittedly smiles to America when it is necessary, smiles to
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: the President of the United States when is necessary. When
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: you've give them that power, you're going to see aggression
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: in its way. I wouldn't do that.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: There's so much going on there, Ryan that you flag
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: number one, he's so concerned about journalists. Wow, Yes, the
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: person who murdered a bunch of journalists, he's very concerned
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: about journalists. Second, Turkey is occupying.
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: Anti occupation, anti in the occupation.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you might as well be a Ryan Ryan.
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: Grant journalists, but the occupation A final.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: Little quiet part out loud is this would threaten is
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: really air superiority in the region. That's what it's all about.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: That's the whole thing.
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: That's the opposite of a balance.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: It's the imbalance. The imbalance is balance to the Israelis.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: The Israeli right to them is the right to not
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: only have their country, to have whatever is you would
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: define as Palestine is. To have half of Lebanon is,
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: to have half of Syria is. To bomb Qatar at
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: will is, to bomb Iran at will is to why
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: would what was nobody.
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: But nobody has it?
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: Why the Israeli demand was Iran cannot have a ballistic
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: missile which is capable of hitting Israel, not anything on
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: nuclear weapons is a ballistic missile cave of Why? Because
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: they need no balance? Whatso the package so they can
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: take over whatever they want. These Iranians are like, look,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: we'll ship the nuclear weapons or nuclear material out of
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: the country. Nope, not good enough. Why Because they don't
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: have they can't have the ability to threaten Tel Aviv
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: or Jerusalem or any of these Haipha, any of the
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: other cities in Israel. That's what it's actually all about.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: This entire thing. And so when he says this about Turkey,
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: which we all know they've been saying it out loud,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: now for what for the entire war? Basically they're like
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: Turkey is next. From Neftally Bennett now to the Prime Minister.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: This is purely about breaking up the US and NATO.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: And I'm no defender of NATO, but if we're gonna
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: break up NATO should be on our terms, not on
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: Israeli terms. Okay, it should be a lot more about
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: why should we defend North Macedonia or whatever, you know
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: montanegro as opposed to Well, Israel wants to bomb.
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: Turkey and that's a huge problem.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: And the irony, of course, is that by launching this war,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Trump has made himself much more reliant on Turkey and
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: much more reliant on the Gulf countries because he needs
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: them because we no longer have any weapons to actually
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: restore some sort of regional balance. But he's still the
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: superpower person on top of that, so he both has
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: to curt court Airdowan and court Babe. He has this
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: rogue actor over here and then this NATO ally over
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: here with a population which hates Israel with a fiery
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: passion and really hate them, you know, right back. And
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: I just think it demonstrates exactly the sheer instability of
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: our alliance here with Israel. And also, I mean, are
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: we going what can we even say about CNN just
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: in inviting this propaganda commercial on for why he shouldn't
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: be able to buy F thirty five. She didn't even
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: she didn't even challenge. But why do you deserve Israeli
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: air superiority in the region? Did you even think Taska? Nothing,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: It's it's crazy.
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah, nothing, And so then watching and last point, so
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: we'll get to put up b six Nenya, who said
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: he jails his political opponents. Indeed, the mayor of Istanbul
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: is the largest opposition figure, is in jail with like
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: Trump trumped up charges. But meanwhile, of course Netnya, who
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: has thousands of his political opponents in administrative detention uh
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: in in torture chambers in Israel. But so it'll be
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: it's interesting to see how Trump navigated this. Well. Listen
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: closely to how Trump talks about the F thirty five's
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: and his relationship with Turkey versus a certain other ally
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: that he doesn't name, but it is quite clear who
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: he's referring to it be four.
• 26:16
  Speaker 7: Well, it's a decision we're going to make. We have
• 26:21
  Speaker 7: a very good relationship. I would think that many people,
• 26:25
  Speaker 7: I can tell you many people, including the people sitting
• 26:29
  Speaker 7: right here, thinks, you know, why wouldn't we do that.
• 26:31
  Speaker 7: We have a better relationship with Turkey, and Turkey has
• 26:34
  Speaker 7: been in many ways much more loyal than other countries
• 26:37
  Speaker 7: that we think would be loyal. So well, something certainly
• 26:41
  Speaker 7: we would consider. It's a great plane, it's the best
• 26:45
  Speaker 7: currently the best plane by far, and it's certainly something
• 26:50
  Speaker 7: we will consider.
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah, now, that's probably a double swipe at Europe, in
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: European countries who he's always dogging for not being loyal
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: enough and not defending him when he went to war
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: with Iran. But given the context of net Yahoo's twenty
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: four to seven in a public cable campaign against Trump
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: doling out the f thirty five to Turkey to have
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: him say no, these guys are loyal unlike some other
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: people who not gonna mention, it's pretty difficult not to
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: believe that he's also including nn Yahoo in that who
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: he feels, or he at least has been saying publicly
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: he feels like has been an obstacle to his agenda
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: in the Middle East, right.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: But at the same time, like, how can we see
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: the collapse of the seasfire and not bet on net
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: on Yaho exactly way, you know, we didn't even this,
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: We didn't even put this in a show.
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: Shame on.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Guess what Israel also did today bomb Lebanon, Bomb Lebanon, right,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: which the Iranians are like, hello, hello, well paragraph one
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: seaspire on all fronts. Yeah, it's totally nuts. And so
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: you look at this, you see these Raelis who.
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: Are bombing Lebanon.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: You have this attack basically on the Trump administration, full
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: blown from bb net Yahoo on American cable news. And
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: what does the President say. Nothing. I mean, every once
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: in a while he'll give an interview and he's like, oh,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: bb I'm the boss, and that's great, Okay, it's nice
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: to say. But Bbe's not stupid. He knows exactly how
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: to reach Trump through US cable news. He's fully activated
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: all of his allies. And the other thing is now
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: that Trump says that the ceasefire is over, the Neo
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: Khon tunguebath is about to come back full in force.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Oh mister President, the greatest and the strongest president. You
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: didn't make any mistake here with the ceasefire. Don't worry
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: about it. And at this, you know you basically have
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: like fifth columnists here in the United States who are
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: agents of the Israeli government. Like let's put B ten
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: up here, Mark Levin, look at this, I mean, this
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: is basically propaganda on behalf of the Israeli government's position.
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: Breaking news.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: Airediwan was prepared to join forces with Iran against Israel.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: The President has mentioned several times he talked Airedwan on
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: entering the war on the side of the Iranian regime,
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: meaning he talked Airdron out of going to war with
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: the US and Israel. I really think this needs to
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: be explained in detail and fully pursued. If a NATO
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: country was going to join the enemy in our war
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: against Iran, we need to know all about it. The
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: President is rightfully condemning the support of NATO countries, But
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: in the case of Turkey, it was prepared to fight us. Question, Mark,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: can you imagine air Dowan using our military equipment against US? Now,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: this thug will have our F thirty fives. By the way,
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: Israel as F thirty fives and we're praising the hell
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: out of this guy, like as our best friend. We
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: need to know a lot more about this.
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: I mean what they do is, you know, Bbie puts.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: Out the talking point, then the entire neo con industrial
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: complex comes up behind him.
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: It's a pressure campaign.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: And as you know, Bruno Massias, he's a commentator. I
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: deeply respect he called this years ago. I remember him
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: saying it. He said, the death of NATO will have
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: nothing to do with Ukraine, it will have nothing to
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: do with Russia. It will be an Israeli war of
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: aggression on you. And I mean he could not have
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: been more right. I really the most prescient predictions I
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: have ever seen.
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: And on the Lebanon strikes, people know there was a
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: drone strike on a vehicle down in telling Lebanon. It
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: hit a school principal, her mother, a foreign domestic worker,
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: you know, like an O pair or something, and then
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: a Syrian citizen. And that we're all driving this car
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: which had been trying to return to its check check
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: on their home down and down the southern Lebanon where
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: Israel has destroyed most most of the homes.
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: So, and then finally do you want to talk about
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: this Egypt thing. I wanted to give you that opportunity here.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: Oh that was something that was so horrible. Yes, we
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: can put this next element up. Just benigh, guys.
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: One of the most sadistic and insane things I feel
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: like I've ever seen. So this So the Egyptian Relief
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: Committee was organizing. They put out a bunch of TVs
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: so that people could watch in Gaza the Egypt Argentina game,
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: which trying to give peace a little bit of life,
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: a little bit of joy. In as bleak a scenario
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: as you could possibly imagine. An hour before the match,
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: Israel kills the committee's PR guy. Yeah, like, just let
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: them watch the game. Also, Israel would have been happy
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: because Egypt was completely robbed in that game. I mean,
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: credit to Argentina an incredible, incredible comeback, but Egypt had
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: this and one of the greatest goals in World Cup
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: history called off by some stupid VAAR call, and then
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: Argentina does the exact same thing, goes coast to coast.
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: It's also trips an Egyptian player in the box, and
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: they don't get a call for that. So Israel could
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: have just been satisfied with the Palestinians who were rooting
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: for Egypt being disappointed in how that unfolded. Instead, they
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: have to kill the pr guy who's setting up the
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: big screen TVs.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: So just.
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: Depraved, like there's no there's no word for it. I agree.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: And that's why they deserve regional air superiority, right, that's.
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: The balance of power they're talking about. That's what they're
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: doing with.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: Their America deserves and should backstop in the region. Smart smart, Okay,
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: let's get to Platner.
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: Maine Senate candidate Graham Platner has still not resigned the nomination,
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: but Maine Democratic Party Executive director Devin Murphy Anderson last
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: night posted a video urging that he do so and
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: telling him in his campaign that he will have no
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: say in who is chosen to replace him or how
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: that candidate will be picked. Let's roll a little bit
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: of Murphy Anderson here.
• 32:44
  Speaker 10: Hi, everyone, I wanted to provide you all an update
• 32:47
  Speaker 10: on the US Senate race here in Maine. As you know,
• 32:50
  Speaker 10: the main Democratic Party has been working around the clock
• 32:53
  Speaker 10: to develop a process to replace our US Senate nominee
• 32:56
  Speaker 10: that is open, inclusive, transparent, and fair. The integrity of
• 33:01
  Speaker 10: this process is just as important as the outcome, and
• 33:05
  Speaker 10: we are committed to ensuring that Democrats across our state
• 33:08
  Speaker 10: can have confidence in both. Unfortunately, Graham Platner's team has
• 33:13
  Speaker 10: repeatedly reached out to us in an attempt to put
• 33:16
  Speaker 10: their thumb on the scale of what this process looks like.
• 33:19
  Speaker 10: We have repeatedly reiterated too Grand Platner's team that they
• 33:22
  Speaker 10: have no role in determining our next Democratic nominee for
• 33:27
  Speaker 10: the US Senate, nor in determining what this process looks like.
• 33:30
  Speaker 10: We have also reiterated that grand Platner must drop out
• 33:33
  Speaker 10: of this race so that Democrats in Maine can focus
• 33:36
  Speaker 10: ondefeating Susan Collins this November. We look forward to making
• 33:40
  Speaker 10: this process public as soon as grand Platner formally withdraws
• 33:44
  Speaker 10: from this race.
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: And so the Platinner campaign responded to this, and we
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: can add this in post. Campaign official told sahoukpor quote,
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: the platter campaign has reached out to the party to
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: try and understand what this process would look like. At
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: no point as the campaign, trying to quote put its
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: finger on the scale. Over one hundred and fifty thousand
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: Maners voted for this movement, and over fifteen thousand manors
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: volunteered their time and energy to it. While Graham wouldn't
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: want to be a part of the process, he would
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: want to make sure the voters and volunteers make this decision,
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: not the political establishment. Unquote.
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: Can I say what it is?
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: This is a coup?
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: Well that from the executive director to say, we're not
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: even going to answer their phone calls. They did win
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: the nomination.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: He won, he won more votes. Look, can we just
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: say I'm not some Platiner fan.
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: I literally second vouch.
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: God's not like It's.
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: Not that I hate Platner.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: I've always thought he's like a Brooklyn cosplaying leftist as
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: some sort of working clat I think his background bears
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: all of that out. Okay, and so I'll save that
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: I telligce so for later. But to me, this is
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: a principle matter, like this man won more votes in
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: the Democratic primary than anyone in Maine history, and the
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: main Democratic who is that lady? By the way, I
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: don't remember anybody voting for her across the state.
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: Does she run for anything? Maybe?
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: Look, maybe I'm wrong, maybe she got voted it Like
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: I'm not familiar with exactly with the by laws of
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: the main Democratic Party. I know that one person got
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: more votes than anyone in the history of a main
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: Democratic party. And to say that he should have no
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: say whatsoever in how the next person if he were
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: to replace, to step down to replace him is totally insane.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: Insane because his volunteers, his people, his campaign are ultimately
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: the ones who beat a sitting governor for the you know,
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: in the democratic nomination.
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: You don't forced her out of the race, they beat
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: the DSCC.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: And then to say that he's going to step down,
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: which he doesn't have to do, that he should have
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: no say in the process is I mean, it is
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: as anti democratic as it possibly could be, because Ryan,
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: you and I both know they're going to try various
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: different ways to make this seam open super delegates or
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: televised debates like no, nothing beats voting and they can't
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: vote again, So it is by definition going to be
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: an anti democratic process.
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: They could do at least a caucus level situation. And
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: what Platter seems to be saying here is I'm not
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: trying to force you to take who I want you
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: to take. Now, if an establishment candidate was getting pushed
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: out of the race. By the way, they would appoint
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: an establishment replacement. There would be no controversy about it,
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: no question about it. It would be done in twelve hours.
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: But an establishment candidate is not getting pushed out of
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: the race Platner is. Platter is not even saying he
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: is insisting on Troy Jackson or Senna Bellows. What he
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: is saying is that he wants to make sure that
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: there is an inclusive process that as many Democrats who
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: participated in the primary process are able to participate in,
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: and that could be a convention in Portland that has
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: many conventions in every county where there's a Democratic like
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: this is this is easily something that can that can
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: be put together. Yeah, And so he's just asking, and
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: this is within the power of the main Democratic Party
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: to put together. It would be a kind of a
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: shotgun thing. Probably be hard to pull off an entire primary,
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: whether you count every single vote, but you could do
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: a caucus type situation. They could figure something out in
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: Platter's campaign and saying, what are you thinking because to
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: your point, they don't want this to go into Janet
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: Mills office, yeah, or or her or her office because
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: it's they just come out voter smoke signal the vote.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: Jeck did her right. They explicitly did not vote for her,
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: like you cannot do this. In my opinion, this is
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: why I mean, look, I think so much of Plattner
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: and a lot of the Democratic Left. I don't know
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: what is going on, but like you know, their whole
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: brand is fighting. This is the time to fight, guys.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: This is how you got steamrolled under Biden, and this
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: is basically why you have no power. This is why
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: Bernie dropped out of the race after Super Tuesday, never
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: fought and did anything allegedly, this is the time to
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: stand up. Everybody just immediately was like, oh yeah, Platner's
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: got to go, but nobody demanded any sort of conditions,
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: and the main Democratic Party said he's in no position
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: to demand anything.
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: I'm he literally is in a position to demand anything.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: It's like, I really feel like I'm taking crazy pills, Ryan,
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: because a lot of it, like from Mamdani to Bernie,
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: to any of the Rocannas, all the movement leaders, everyone
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: started with he's got to go without the next part.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: The next part should be and the person who who
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: succeeds him should be as similar to him as possible,
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: and they've given up all their leverage, and now these
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: people are right back in charge.
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: I really think if your anti establishment Democrat.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: And Maine, you should be outraged by the way this
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: is playing out right.
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: There are three kind of ways you can handle serious,
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: huge allegations like that in the moment. One is to say,
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: we need to wait for a couple of days here
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: to get more information about this I want to hear
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: from all sides. Two is to say, Okay, you know
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: what our guys done. We're going to negotiate a surrender here.
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: Let's work on the terms of what this surrender look like.
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: Looks like three is just complete in total surrender, and
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: they went with basically number three. So let's put up
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: C two. So this is Bernie Sanders, he says. He tweeted,
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: I have spoken with Graham Plattner about the best path
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: forward for Maine in light of these very serious allegations.
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: I have recommended that he step aside. Mayor Zoron Mdani
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: in New York was asked as well about whether or
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: not Platner should stay in the race. He has a
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: lot of the same kind of consultants on his team
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: as are with Platner and staffers. Let's roll C one here.
• 39:51
  Speaker 11: Given that you have a sort of a sendent role
• 39:53
  Speaker 11: in the Democratic Party, could you talk about the main
• 39:56
  Speaker 11: Senate race. Do you think that Graham Plattner should drop
• 39:59
  Speaker 11: out of the race and do you have any intention
• 40:01
  Speaker 11: of endorsing any candidates in competitive races outside of New York,
• 40:05
  Speaker 11: LSIED or anyone else.
• 40:07
  Speaker 6: I believe that it's time for him to drop out
• 40:09
  Speaker 6: of the race. And when it comes to my own endorsements,
• 40:13
  Speaker 6: I've made eight endorsements at the state and federal level.
• 40:16
  Speaker 6: They've all been right here in New York City. I'm
• 40:19
  Speaker 6: incredibly excited at the fact that they won their races,
• 40:21
  Speaker 6: and that's where my focus is for now. I think
• 40:28
  Speaker 6: the focus of today should be to respond to the
• 40:31
  Speaker 6: gravity of what so many of us have read. And
• 40:34
  Speaker 6: I think that the only appropriate response is for the
• 40:36
  Speaker 6: campaign to come to an end.
• 40:38
  Speaker 5: And we can put up C five here. This is
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: from drops I knew is Nathan Bernard. He interviewed a
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: ton of volunteers for Grand Platner, and the overwhelming, almost
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: universal consensus from them was that Platiner either no longer
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: should have a shot at staying in the race or
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: no longer does have a shot in the race, and
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: that either way the upshot is the same. But they
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: want Troy Jackson, who are we were, who we were
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: talking about earlier and talked about yesterday on the program.
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: He's a logger who was the former state Senate president
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: who ran for governor. Finished a very close There was
• 41:13
  Speaker 5: a very close third with it was Hannah Pingree, Shennon
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: Bellows and UH and him and him as well in
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: the rough shot had ran coming competitively as well. UH. Meanwhile,
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: Jared Golden put up six year uh Platner ran as
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: an anti war candidate. Jared Golden cast a deciding vote
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: to kill a war Powers resolution in the US House.
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: As his thing was, he's a maverick in the conservative
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: district to to his credit, continued to get elected as
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: a as a Democrat in a Trump leaning district. To
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: his discredit, one of the ways he did it was
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: by constantly voting for war. So if to try to
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: replace a guy whose energy clearly came from his passionate
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: opposition two forever wars and two the genocide and Gaza
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: with somebody who's passionately on the other side of that
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: would be apparently maybe that's something that's okay with the
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: main Democratic Party, but it's hard to believe that that's well,
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: that not just guaranteeing defeat in November.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: That's what I want to ask you, Am I overreacting?
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: Like does the current process point in the Troy Jackson
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: you know path, because could one? But see, this is
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: where this is kind of why I think that the
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: left is not you know, far be it from me
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: to like give advice or whatever. You don't have to listen,
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: but you know, the whole point was supposed to be
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: we fight.
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: That's why we go with Platiner.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: That's why we're going to abandon our woke shibblitz after
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: the New York Times store story and be like, no,
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: we're sticking with our man. This is it right, We're
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: going We're all in because this is about fight. And
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: then you not only do you immediately give up, you
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: ask for nothing, and you basically give the establishment the
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: bat which which to bash your head in, which if
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: you're spending any time on Twitter right now, and you
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: really should go monitor the accounts of all of the
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: pro establishment people near a Tandent and mat Iglesias and
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: Josh Barrow. And I'm not saying this in a disparaging way.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: They have a you know, they have a more of
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: an adversarial, more like centrist view of how the Democratic
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: Party should be. They are using this moment to not
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: only go after Platner, but everybody who backed so Morris
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: Katz and the And I'm sorry if this is too
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: inside baseball, but this stuff matters. They're currently using it
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: to try and blacklist that what is it fight agency
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: which found Platner. So they're like, see, these people have
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: horrible judgment, right, See, these people cannot be trusted. That's
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: why I said, not only is it a coup, it's
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: a purge, it's a simultaneous effort by a lot of
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: the establishment Democrats. And so when you immediately give up
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: all your leverage, now you have nothing because Graham has
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: both not fought back even though I mean again, the
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: biggest indication to me that he's guilty is or at
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: least guilty in something, right is he's like, Okay, I
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: haven't heard from him.
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: Hands up, Yeah, you haven't heard from anything.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: He's canceled his events, he stopped all of his spending.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: He basically, you know, conceded from day one that he
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: was like, we're gonna assess the future of our campaign.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: He's hanging out at his home, you know, doing nothing
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: from what we can see right now. And then it's
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: not just him, it's all the movement leaders that I listed,
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: and you're basically allowing the establishment to burn you, which
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: you know, if it's twenty twenty after BLM, that's one thing,
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: but it's today where you guys are actually winning primaries,
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: you do have some leverage, and I see nothing. I
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: think this is a shameful incident, honestly.
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: And they're even I've noticed trying to use it against
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: Abdul L's side in Michigan.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: Wife noticed that too.
• 44:49
  Speaker 5: It's like, wait, hold on a second, what on earth? Yeah,
• 44:52
  Speaker 5: he has not well side and also good luck Choynnie,
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: like a Platner's name idea in Michigan is probably not
• 44:57
  Speaker 5: very high. Like this is inside stuff that like freaks
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: like us or following pretty closely. But Abdula sayat like,
• 45:06
  Speaker 5: what are you doing? You're going after him just because
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: he shares some politics with Platiner. No, it's it's completely I.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: Got my own beef with Obdul who by the way
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: is hopefully coming on the show next week. We're talking
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: a lot about property taxes.
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I'm I'm beefing with him over us too,
• 45:21
  Speaker 5: oh God like public Like I haven't argued with him.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: But I would. Yeah, but we'll get into it. We'll
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: we'll save all that later spoilers. Soo's been married for
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: twenty years. It looks like he's two children, so, you know,
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: good for him. I don't think that has anything to
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: do with his behavior. Also, you know, plug for you know,
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: non traditional Sharia. If you don't drink, none of this
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: will happen to you. That's just my my personal plug.
• 45:42
  Speaker 5: But you gotta look totally. But it reduces the like
• 45:45
  Speaker 5: soft sharia.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: If you if you live a soft Sharia lifestyle and
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: you don't drink, you don't gamble, and you don't run
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: around and chase promiscuous lifestyle, you will not have people
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: who have accusations against you. Who who would have thought so?
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: So Ron, Mom, Donnie and I'll Dulcie. You know, you
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: got two Muslim guys and they live clean. This is
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: what clean living can get you. But my general point
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: here about the way that this is all playing out
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: is it seems abundantly clear that the Democratic establishment is
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: on a high.
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: I have not seen them on in quite some time.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: Like they really, like the left was having an ascendant moment.
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: They had Zoron.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: Between Zoron and then those three New York City primaries
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: and Colorado.
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: This was a big deal.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: This was a big big I would say, two months
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: and now this was actually, in my opinion, the real
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: testing ground because when in a blue seat in a
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: blue state, Okay, congratulations, knocking off a Republican swing senator
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: in a swing ish state like Maine, which has consistently
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: voted for Susan Collins, to have a full blown, like
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: non compromising in terms of the DSA ideology to be
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: able to win that state would have been a absolute
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: earthquake in politics. Again, it's one thing to beat a Democrat.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: It's a whole other thing to actually beat a Republican
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: whenever you're running on that strategy. And that's why to
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: give up all of that leverage and to basically hand
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: it all back in the silver platter to the main
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: Democratic Party. Who is setting these standards, I mean, you
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: tell me, Ryan, I don't see a single prominent movement
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: leader going after this main democratic woman, right, I haven't
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: seen one be like, actually no, he's going to have
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: a say because he seems so toxic.
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: So I do think it.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: I think it's a very dangerous moment, like for democracy
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: and especially if you how could you how could the
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: number one lesson from Biden not be democracy is good?
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: Now?
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: Actually democracy is good. It is because that the failure
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: of that is what led to your devastating loss in
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: November of twenty twenty four.
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: You know, let's talk a little bit about the way
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: the press handled this. Yeah, Politico and CNN omitted a
• 47:53
  Speaker 5: key detail from its reporting around the gram Platner sexual
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: assault allegations. We have learned. Let's take a listen to
• 48:01
  Speaker 5: how Jenny Rascott, the accuser of Graham Plattner, described how
• 48:06
  Speaker 5: the evening began in her interview with Jake Tapper on CNN.
• 48:11
  Speaker 12: It was a nay where him and I were texting
• 48:13
  Speaker 12: back and forth and he had taken something that I
• 48:16
  Speaker 12: said as an invitation and that's not how he meant it.
• 48:20
  Speaker 12: And I quickly clarified, and he sent a message back
• 48:24
  Speaker 12: indicating that he would come over, and I said, no,
• 48:28
  Speaker 12: don't come over like I'm not in the mood, don't
• 48:30
  Speaker 12: come over. And I was more sterned with that message.
• 48:33
  Speaker 12: And then I didn't hear back from him, So I
• 48:36
  Speaker 12: thought that that meant he got the message or gave
• 48:39
  Speaker 12: up on it or whatnot.
• 48:41
  Speaker 5: Okay, Sager, So there was no follow up from Jake
• 48:44
  Speaker 5: Tapper if you listened closely there that she said we
• 48:48
  Speaker 5: were texting back and forth and he took something that
• 48:52
  Speaker 5: I said as an invitation to come over. This is
• 48:55
  Speaker 5: they'd been dating off and on for about two years
• 48:58
  Speaker 5: at this point. The follow up from a normal person
• 49:04
  Speaker 5: at that point.
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: Is what did you say?
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: What would you say? Right like? What was the thing
• 49:08
  Speaker 5: that you said to him that he misunderstood? Now, let's
• 49:13
  Speaker 5: take a look at how Politico reported this is This
• 49:18
  Speaker 5: is D eight. This is how Politico first reported so.
• 49:22
  Speaker 5: Rasakot told Politico she connected with Platner on the dating
• 49:25
  Speaker 5: at Bumble in twenty nineteen and consentual relations with him
• 49:27
  Speaker 5: prior to the night he allegedly assaulted her that night.
• 49:30
  Speaker 5: In late twenty twenty one, she said she had exchanged
• 49:33
  Speaker 5: text messages with him and told him not to come over,
• 49:37
  Speaker 5: saying she wasn't in the mood for company. Later that evening,
• 49:40
  Speaker 5: She said she realized when she heard a sound on
• 49:42
  Speaker 5: the stairs that he had let himself into her house,
• 49:45
  Speaker 5: which was unlocked. Platner came up the stairs, Rascott said,
• 49:50
  Speaker 5: to where she was on a couch. He got on
• 49:52
  Speaker 5: top of her and kept grabbing her, she said, while
• 49:55
  Speaker 5: she repeatedly told him to stop and that she wasn't interested. So, Sagar,
• 50:01
  Speaker 5: you read that, and most people in Washington who read that,
• 50:04
  Speaker 5: they're like that sounds like he broke in to the
• 50:08
  Speaker 5: house uninvited and then began a violent assault of her.
• 50:13
  Speaker 5: Nowhere does Politico mention what she mentioned to CNN there
• 50:18
  Speaker 5: that she had said something in the text message exchanges
• 50:23
  Speaker 5: that he mistook as an invitation. They just say, and
• 50:28
  Speaker 5: elsewhere in the article they say he was quote uninvited.
• 50:32
  Speaker 5: It turns out, and we have learned that Politico definitively
• 50:36
  Speaker 5: at the time of publication, knew precisely what Jenny had
• 50:42
  Speaker 5: texted to Graham that he, according to her, mistook as
• 50:46
  Speaker 5: an invitation to come over. And we know this because
• 50:51
  Speaker 5: the Washington Post also interviewed Jenny Rassakot, and Jenny told
• 50:56
  Speaker 5: the Washington Post, because she's being honest, laying out all
• 51:01
  Speaker 5: of the details, which is how it should be. You
• 51:04
  Speaker 5: lay out all the details and then you let the readers,
• 51:06
  Speaker 5: the public, the voters say, Okay, we have all the
• 51:10
  Speaker 5: different facts. Here's how we interpret this scenario. So good
• 51:13
  Speaker 5: for her for being trans I.
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: Totally agree with you, and I want to say that
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: up at the top. This is in no way an
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: attack on her. This is about how I believe that
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: the media's handless.
• 51:22
  Speaker 9: She was.
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: From the beginning about this.
• 51:25
  Speaker 5: She doesn't she doesn't have the text messages anymore. Platner
• 51:29
  Speaker 5: apparently doesn't have the text messages anymore. So we're going
• 51:31
  Speaker 5: by her memory of what they are. And to her credit,
• 51:35
  Speaker 5: she divulged the details of the text messages from that
• 51:40
  Speaker 5: evening and to the so she divulged it to the
• 51:44
  Speaker 5: Washington Post. The Washington Post reaches out to the Platiner
• 51:47
  Speaker 5: campaign for comment. Good for the Washington Post, and in
• 51:52
  Speaker 5: their their requests for comment, they mentioned that Jenny had
• 51:57
  Speaker 5: been texting him talking about a massage earlier. And so
• 52:03
  Speaker 5: the Planner campaign sees this and they go back to
• 52:05
  Speaker 5: Politico and they say, apparently there's some more context here
• 52:09
  Speaker 5: about the back and forth, like do you know about
• 52:13
  Speaker 5: these text messages the reporter. The reporter then exchanges messages
• 52:19
  Speaker 5: with the Platner campaign. Those messages have been now circulating
• 52:23
  Speaker 5: in main politics, in main political circles. I obtained a
• 52:29
  Speaker 5: copy of those. I was able to authenticate them with
• 52:33
  Speaker 5: sources with knowledge of them. And here is what the
• 52:37
  Speaker 5: Politico reporter said to the campaign. Jenny Rascott had been
• 52:43
  Speaker 5: quote texting Platner about needing her glute massage. That detail
• 52:48
  Speaker 5: didn't make our story glute massage. So within about a
• 52:55
  Speaker 5: half an hour of getting this glute massage text, Platner
• 52:58
  Speaker 5: is in the house now, she says.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: She says.
• 53:01
  Speaker 4: She followed up, no, no, no.
• 53:02
  Speaker 5: Don't come, don't and don't come because because he texts
• 53:04
  Speaker 5: it back long, so he's he's wasted. Clearly, he gets
• 53:08
  Speaker 5: this message I need you know, I need my glute massage.
• 53:11
  Speaker 5: He comes over, he's and he's text back, I'm coming over,
• 53:14
  Speaker 5: and she said, She's like, wait, wait, don't come over that.
• 53:17
  Speaker 5: She says, don't come over, come over. This is main.
• 53:21
  Speaker 5: He's not taking the subway like so's. She's drunk drunken driving,
• 53:25
  Speaker 5: drunkenly driving over there comes into the house and then
• 53:28
  Speaker 5: it gives but and then he's she says, he's grabbing
• 53:31
  Speaker 5: her on the couch.
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: Where is she saying?
• 53:33
  Speaker 5: No, right, where's he grabbing her?
• 53:35
  Speaker 9: Like?
• 53:35
  Speaker 5: Is he like immediately starting like the glute massage or whatever? Anyway,
• 53:40
  Speaker 5: with Washington Post, to its credit, included a version of
• 53:45
  Speaker 5: the detail we could put up. Washington posted the seven
• 53:49
  Speaker 5: one night in November or December twenty twenty one. She
• 53:51
  Speaker 5: said she texted him to say that she could use
• 53:54
  Speaker 5: a massage. She said she did not intend it as
• 53:56
  Speaker 5: an invitation, but he interpreted it that way, immediate replying
• 54:01
  Speaker 5: to say he would come right over. She said she
• 54:03
  Speaker 5: wrote back twice telling him not to. The Post was
• 54:06
  Speaker 5: not able to review the alleged messages are independently verify them.
• 54:09
  Speaker 5: Rassaco It said she later deleted them soon after the incident,
• 54:13
  Speaker 5: so they didn't posts didn't include the glue part, but
• 54:15
  Speaker 5: did mention the massage their credit. But because the Politico
• 54:21
  Speaker 5: published first, nobody I didn't even know the Washington Post
• 54:25
  Speaker 5: reported xactly.
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: And I think that's why this is important.
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: So there's the most important part, and let's just zoom out,
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: because this does potentially explain why a drunken platner enters
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: the home. Right it stops there, because that's where the
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: rest of the evening and her account of the evening
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: it no longer accounts for. But it does explain a detail.
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: And I think what was key to the understanding generally
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: that all of us had was that it did genuinely
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: appear as if Platner had been told explicitly not to
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: come over there. Understood that to be the case. Broke
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: into the home, effectively entering a home unannounced, and which
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: whether it's unlocked or not, is a full blown crime,
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, and I do think that that's part of
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: why we need to assess this very seriously. The very
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: definition of what Jenny has alleged here is a full
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: blown gross sexual assault class A felony in the state
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: of Maine with statute of limitations for twenty years. That's
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: what she is alleging, which carries a significant prison sentence
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: for decades, potentially in prison. And that is my understanding
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: of how I need to evaluate what is being alleged here.
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: I want to make that clear now. If I were
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: then to submit to due process or any something like
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: that in a trial and I saw something like that,
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: it would significantly change Again, my understanding of how the
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: event were to begin. This does not in any way
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: say that she is lying about what then transcribed. Also,
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: we should not take away agency from Plattner, who is
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: wasted out of his mind five years ago, mind, you know,
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: not twenty years ago. Five years ago, absolutely blacked out
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: drunk and then clearly in a position where he has
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: been in several of these types of encounters which have
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: been described from Lindsay Fifield to others women or ex
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: girlfriends who have talked to the media. He put himself
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: and had terrible judgment, terrible behavior and put himself in
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: a situation where something like this could happen, which was
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: obviously very traumatizing to Jenny herself in terms of her
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: understanding the Facebook messages about consensually careless. That's why I
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: think this is a media story, because I think that
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: the irresponsibility of not reporting that led to an understanding
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: of how the event transpired, which is not fulsome with
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: the general reality. And maybe it seems like you and
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: I are splitting hairents. But the reason why I think
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: it's really important and when you learn this it really
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: struck me, is it really reminded me of how a
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: lot of the me too cases in twenty seventeen and
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: twenty eighteen transports in which it was very obvious it
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: was purely on the you know, word of one person.
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: You could have contravening evidence of what obviously was a
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: complicated encounter or something where look, there's genuine you know,
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: misunderstanding or you know, a different takeaway in which people's
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: lives got totally ruined. And I do think that in
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: this case, like with Platner, look it looks like he's
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: on the track to resign, and when he does, from
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: what we know about his finances, if his rich parents
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: don't bail him out, he has no money, and he
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: will be branded let's call it what it is, a
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: rapist for all time. And that is kind of what
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: we're talking about, beyond the political implications, but the character
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: of the person. I don't think he has particularly a
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: good character personally in terms of the way that he's
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: acted here. But you know, politics is not a character context.
• 57:46
  Speaker 5: Were this really that If it was, it wouldn't be
• 57:50
  Speaker 5: good't we wouldn't have Trump as president.
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: Yet I say all of this only to say that
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: the way that CNN did not follow up that question
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: and Politico did not include that detail. That is willful
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: in trying to craft a narrative. That's not what we're
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: supposed to do. That's why, and that's part of why
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: I appreciate the show. We talked back and forth, we
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: had different context, detail understanding, and for them, you know,
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: by printing it the way they did. I mean, as
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: a journalist, I think the ultimate job is to always
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: include as much understanding an event as possible, especially one
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: it's just something like this. Jenny is reledging a full
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: blown felony punishable by a decade or plus or whatever
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: in prison. That merits a serious understanding of how we're
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: gonna put in all the detail as much as possible
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: as if then were go to trials. Since they knew
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: the direct implications of their story at the time that
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: they wrote it, they knew exactly what it would how
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: it would unfold.
• 58:49
  Speaker 5: And what's so interesting that, like we were saying earlier,
• 58:51
  Speaker 5: credit to Jenny for volunteering this information, I totally agree.
• 58:55
  Speaker 5: Perhaps she thought that maybe Plattner still had the text messages,
• 58:59
  Speaker 5: but either way, she yes, she did not hide any
• 59:02
  Speaker 5: She did not hide this at all. It is the
• 59:03
  Speaker 5: media that decided that this was not a relevant detail
• 59:07
  Speaker 5: to share. And like you said, none of what we're
• 59:09
  Speaker 5: saying here is intended to say, oh, well everything afterwards
• 59:13
  Speaker 5: he's justified, No, of course not. The question is is
• 59:17
  Speaker 5: it a relevant detail that should have been shared with
• 59:21
  Speaker 5: readers so that as they are analyzing how they feel
• 59:24
  Speaker 5: about the situation, they can take it all into context.
• 59:28
  Speaker 5: Does it give you any clues into how Graham Plattner
• 59:33
  Speaker 5: was interpreting, whether or not there was consent, whether or
• 59:37
  Speaker 5: not he was invited over and I don't Politico affirmatively
• 59:42
  Speaker 5: wrote in its article that he was uninvited. You could
• 59:47
  Speaker 5: say he was disinvited by the subsequent text messages uninvited
• 59:51
  Speaker 5: is false, Like it is just flat out false.
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: There's an invitation, and that is the key, and that
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: adds even more to this interview, which never thought I
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: would say, this a decent job of questioning here of
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: Mika Persinski and Adam Ren who's one of the.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 5: Before we got that, so I asked Jake Tapper if
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 5: he's aware, if he knew, I asked, why didn't you
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 5: do a follow up? But more importantly, did you ask
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 5: her off camera? Did you know that she had said
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 5: I need my glute massage. In the text message that
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 5: that was the thing that he quote unquote mistook as
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 5: an invitation. He did not respond. I asked Politico for comment.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 5: They are saying that they're working on a response. When
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 5: that response comes in, we'll put it in the newsletter
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 5: and we'll put it in the notes underneath here. If
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 5: that comes in before we finish taping the program, well
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 5: we'll put it up.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: Let's get to Mika Persinski here talking about or sorry
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: pressing Adam Wren, one of the reporters who was on
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: this story. Let's take a listen.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 13: What aspects of this story brought it to the love
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 13: of publishable.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 14: Yeah, you're you're correct here, Mika. There there is no
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 14: police report in this case. We spent a lot of
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 14: time talking to the Jenny, you know, asking her for
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 14: coroborating evidence. She shared that she had confided into a
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 14: number of people, including her therapist, uh and almost real time,
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 14: and we reviewed email exchanges between she and her therapist
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 14: referring to what she called this the sexual assault, and
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 14: her therapist sort of acknowledging that this is this had
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 14: happened to her. We talked to people who she confided
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 14: in in the months after this happened. We asked her
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 14: why she didn't file a police report, and she described
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 14: sort of the the insular nature of where she lives
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 14: in her corner of Maine that she shares with Graham Platner,
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 14: and she you know, debated sort of how to to
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 14: handle this.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 14: And and we found ultimately the number of coroborating pieces
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 14: of evidence, uh, to to support her story h in
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 14: a way that we could report it.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 13: So, what are some of those corroborating pieces of evidence?
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 13: So you've got uh, conversations with her therapist and people
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 13: who she confide it in, any any conversations with Graham
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 13: Platner at the time of it, where she said because
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 13: apparently as part of this story, she says she even
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 13: confirmed to him that this was not consent.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: Do you have that?
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 13: What what do you have that actually connects this literally
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 13: Graham Platner to raping this victim.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 14: She reached out to him the day after via Instagram
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 14: and essentially you know, told him that, you know, she
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 14: didn't want to hear from again, and she told him
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 14: that morning as well.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 14: And uh, you know, we we uh looked at messages
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 14: that she had sent to others in the months after
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 14: this happened through.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 13: Social media to see those dms.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 14: Uh, she tried to recover those dms.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 7: We did not.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 14: We were not able to review those dms, but she
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 14: described them to us. We also, long before he was
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 14: a public, before he was a political candidate, we saw
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 14: her essentially explain to others that he was quote in
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 14: her words, consensually careless.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: So I do think that that interview is important because
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: you know, and you know, cutting off if I'm sharing
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: too much. But when you shared before the story came out,
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: one of the key details where I was like, wow,
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: this is devastating is you told me the therapist verified
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: her comments and that didn't happen. That wasn't in the story.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 5: That's pretty That was the room. That was the room.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: That was the rumor that was going around was that
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: the therapist could verify that at a time before he
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: ran for office, that he she could verify her allegation.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: And that's not what happened. And they reviewed emails, you know,
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: between her telling the therapist that had happened in June.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 5: On in June June of this year, after she started
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 5: working with.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: She they did talk to a friend ex boyfriend who
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: backed up her story, so that you know that's there,
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: and the Facebook message is there too, But I don't know.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, the therapist detail was.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 5: Kind of important and I can read from the political article.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 5: So this is about the This is the Politico describing
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 5: the therapist. Rasik Coo showed Politico recent emails with her therapist.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 5: They say recent. My understanding is this is June, like
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 5: weeks ago, in which Razakott explained she was talking to
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 5: the media about her relationship with Platiner and the essay
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 5: slash R, using an abbreviation for in the message, Rasicote
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 5: was not ready to go public and was seeking help
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 5: corroborating her account in conversations she was having with reporters
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 5: on condition of man Her therapist responded that Razakot shouldn't
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 5: have to speak publicly about a traumatic incident in order
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 5: to be believed, without referencing details of any particular incident.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 5: The therapist, who Politico agreed not to name it her request,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 5: declined to comment when reached on Monday. So if you
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 5: hear Adam Ran from Politico discussing it, the therapist confirmed
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 5: that they discussed that that's not what they wrote, but
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 5: they should have written that in their article.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: So he is saying something which did not appear in
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: their story, which is why I think again this is
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: where the rumor mail actually got past what was written,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: because when I read that, and I'm assuming the editors
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: you know something like this, you go through the fine
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: tooth comp because your ass is getting suit if you
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: get a single detail right.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 5: Wrote so she wrote basically, do you remember me sharing
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 5: these details with you? And the therapist wrote back with
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 5: a general comment on how women should be believed and
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 5: she should be believed and she should beau for her.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: That's the same thing.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 5: That's not an firm, the same thing, and they didn't
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 5: They don't report it in their article as confirming, but
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 5: then they say in interviews that they did that, which
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 5: is again like we're in an era where people are
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 5: losing trust in media and what are we doing.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: That's why I finally want to do D five. Let's
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: do D five here and put it up here on
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: the screen. This is from Lindsay Fifield, who he'll recall
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: she was the conservative activist who originally was one of
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: the people named in the New York Times story. And
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: I actually think it's very worth reading what she says here.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: She says, I actually understand why Democratic leaders didn't take
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: our story seriously when the Times are poored them in June,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: but are taking them seriously now. It was by design.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: The line most shared from my piece was the claim
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: that Times could quote not corroborate my story despite talking
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: to two of my friends. I gave them contact information
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: for five friends. They called the two who I clarified
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: not to know about the abuse, but they would be
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: able to affirm our relationship, timeline events, et cetera. They
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: simply did not call the other three. I also gave
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: the names of all my former roommates who remember him
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: stalking our row house, which was five row houses down
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: from his, and waiting for me to return. I gave
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: them screenshots of messages between these roommates and I discussing it.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: I gave them the names of other men I dated
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: who might have remember him following us around the hills,
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: showing up on my stoop where we walked home from
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: days to confront us. I gave them emails to my
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: landlord urgently ending my lease and moving to an apartment
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: across town, and diary entries talking about it all time,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: marks I told them during pre marital counseling, I'd spoken
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: to my ex fiance about the abuse, because I had
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: to explain to him why I reacted with terror anytime
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: he lost his temper. They said, oh, no, we don't
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: need to bother him or my priests. Besides, I'd written
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: about in my diary. As the weeks dragged on, I
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: stopped trying to give them evidence because the amount I'd
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: already give them seemed to overwhelm them, and I thought
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: it meant that they had clearly more enough to verify
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: my every claim. My friends might not have known the details,
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: but they affirmed that, yes, I had told them he
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: was abusive. Besides, they assured my part in the reporting
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: would be small. I thought my details would only serve
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: to affirm Jenny and the other anonymous woman. Jenny and I,
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: having never met or spoken, both shared with these reporters
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: terrifyingly similar details of intimate partner violence, coercive control, and
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: cycles of abuse. The third unnamed woman did as well,
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: but tell me again how they could not corroborate. So
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: there are two things that actually happen here is it's
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: very clear they told her she would be a small
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: part of the story. She ends up being in.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 4: Mind in the flagship part of the story.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: Similarly, she actually did provide them a decent amount of evidence.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: It's and this is speculation on my part. If by
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: telling her that she's going to be a small part
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: of the story, they probably did the same thing to Jenny.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: And Jenny is her entire reason for coming forward with
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: this allegation now is that she says she was furious
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  Speaker 1: at the way the reaction happened to the New York
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  Speaker 1: Times story, which elevated Lindsay Fifield's allegation and the dismissal
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  Speaker 1: generally of her because of her previous role as a
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  Speaker 1: conservative activist. And so the spiral here is that if
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  Speaker 1: the Times had just done its job, if they had
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  Speaker 1: reported what she says here. By the way, Jennie also
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: so says, I told the Times all of this off
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  Speaker 1: the record, and if she they had gotten her to
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  Speaker 1: expound on that and get her on the record and
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  Speaker 1: properly get her on the record and put all of
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: this in a fulsome story, this could have all been
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: done before the primary, and then none of this would
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: be happening in some weird you know, extra democratic way
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  Speaker 1: where he's got to drop out and then they're gonna
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: have to put them. This could happen before the primary,
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  Speaker 1: right the voters would have had the information, new candidates
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  Speaker 1: to Troy or whatever could have declared.
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  Speaker 4: People would have.
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  Speaker 1: Actually had a chance to vote. And so I think
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  Speaker 1: that the two primary villains here New York Times for
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: the way they handle this, and then CNN and Politico,
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  Speaker 1: all three of those because they did not present Graham
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: for being a dog.
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  Speaker 4: Well oh yeah, right, so you know.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry when I say primary villain, I'm talking about the
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: process that right, Yes, I know, yeah, Graham. I mean again,
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  Speaker 1: I said it before in our previous block. Take it
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  Speaker 1: as a lesson, guys, clean living. Clean living will get
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  Speaker 1: you a clean life. And if you want to run
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  Speaker 1: for office, you know you shouldn't be acting like this.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: And that's final thing.
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  Speaker 4: I said it yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: That's why I think he's loadsome because he told people
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: nothing else is coming, and you were rolling around like
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: this four or five years ago, maybe even ten fifteen
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: years ago, like Lindsay Fifields. So there could be more
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: that we could be, more that we didn't talk about,
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: and people stuck their next out for you. How many
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: millions of dollars did he raise? Millions? People donated to
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: their hard earned money to you, and you fucked them over, man,
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: You really did.
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  Speaker 4: And he's got to live with that, you know not,
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 4: which is what he did these women.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: He betrayed all these supporters trusts.
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  Speaker 5: And I don't know if he even remembers this text
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 5: message exchange. And I reached out to him for comment
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 5: having heart back. So I don't even know. And as
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 5: far as people I've talked like him, he may not
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 5: even know about the existence of these text messages, the
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 5: glup thing, because he was seems like he was blacked out.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 5: According to Jenny, the next morning, he rolled over and
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 5: put his arm around her and she's like, what are
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 5: you doing? Like do you not remember what happened last night?
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 5: And years right now? She's like and she's like get out.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and yeah, I mean his his handling of all
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: of it is awful. He never responded. Allegedly, according to her,
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: he never responded to her message, being like, dude, you raise.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 5: That was and that was a thing. Come on, that
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 5: was the thing that he's knocked for over and over.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 5: So's ghosting, like, oh.
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  Speaker 1: These women he was drunk, you know, totally out of control,
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  Speaker 1: manic depressive, which even five years ago that was and
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: he was gradually true. And that's my final thing where
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: people are like, how could you have known? And you
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: couldn't have known this. I'm not blaming you or anybody,
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: but you know, the tattoo, the adrenaline, junkie behavior, the
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: blackwater and all that, it's a type. It's an archetype
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: which anybody who's ever interacted with people in the military
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: they know, they know. Well, some people liked him for that,
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: and I understand that, but it does come with a
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: significant downside.
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  Speaker 4: For anybody who you know is like this.
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  Speaker 1: And then so you know, look, if you want to
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: be a public servant, part of that is you need
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: you not only have to withstand scrutiny, but you need
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: good character.
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  Speaker 4: You need good judgment.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't think I would have said that five
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: years ago. I don't think the character and judgment, or sorry,
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: character especially was all that was all that important to judgment.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: But I've actually changed my opinion quite a bit on that.
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  Speaker 5: As mom Donnie showed up. If you're going to take
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 5: on the man, oh man, you.
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  Speaker 1: Gotta be squeaky clean and completely no skeletons or any
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: of that in the closet, because you're right, if you're
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: the man, you can have plenty of skeletons in there,
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: they don't care. But if you're not, you know, and
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: that's not an endorsement of the way that the situation is.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: It is kind of unfair considering how many disgusting cretans
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: are Aaron Washington probably who have done the exact same thing.
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  Speaker 5: But in class cannot count it such behavior.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: Great point, Ye