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Are You Being Discipled By Christ or AI with Drew Dickens & Choosing Christ Over Screens with Arlene Pellicane · Karl and Crew

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  S1: Broadcasting from Chicago, across North America and beyond. It's Carl
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  S1: and crew. Come as you are an experienced guide, overcome
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  S1: what seems impossible and live as you never imagined delivering
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  S1: the truth daily.
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  S2: If it were possible to have every worldly gain available.
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  S2: And you're forfeiting your soul. There's no amount of gain
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  S2: that would make it worth it.
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  S3: Our own way never ever works. Because it's apart from
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  S3: the life source, which is God.
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  S4: For me, growing up, love was always conditional and can
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  S4: be taken from you. Christ's love can't. And he went
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  S4: to the cross with my mind and my heart that night.
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  S1: Now from the call of Hope Studios, this is Carl
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  S1: and Crew.
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  S2: Well, why are we sometimes so anxious or feel fearful
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  S2: or angry? All of these different emotions that we can
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  S2: feel after spending time online. And so I asked you
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  S2: this question what is your social media feed, your algorithm
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  S2: telling you about the world? You had someone who called in,
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  S2: I'm not going to go on air, but just wanted
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  S2: to share what she said. She's being told by her
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  S2: algorithm that the she's not eating healthy or the. And
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  S2: also that the government is going to take all of
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  S2: her money. You know, it's like this, there's a very
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  S2: narrow lane that you can get into in your algorithm
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  S2: when it's where it starts to feed more and more
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  S2: of your fear, of your anxiety, of your anger, your rage.
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  S2: Those are usually the common emotions associated with this. Coming up,
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  S2: let's get some expert help from Arlene Pellekaan.
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  S1: She was trying to earn her way to God, but
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  S1: God showed her she didn't have to. Ali is in
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  S1: the crew. It's Carl and Crew on Moody Radio. So
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  S1: we bring on Arlene Pellekaan because she's one.
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  S5: Of the most extraordinary experts in. Every time we bring
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  S5: her on, we get downloads out the wazoo around here.
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  S5: But I want to do something different here today. Arlene,
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  S5: we got to get after this. You know, we talk
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  S5: about screen time, and we talk about the need for
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  S5: adults to get it under control first and foremost. But
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  S5: here's the bigger reason. We're all being discipled by someone
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  S5: or something. This is way more than just wasting time.
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  S5: This is who or what is shaping you. Arlene.
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  S6: Okay, Carl, I have a story for you that you're
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  S6: going to be like. What? I do not understand.
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  S5: Oh, good, I want one.
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  S6: My. My husband and I are taking salsa classes. Okay.
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  S6: And as we're taking these classes and following this instructor,
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  S6: And he's like, his shoulders are rolling and his hips
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  S6: are going left. And we're like, our bodies do not
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  S6: do that. But about 2 or 3 weeks in, I'm like,
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  S6: wait a minute. My shoulders do that now because I'm
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  S6: watching you. I'm imitating you and I'm spending time with
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  S6: you and money too. I'm sending money with you. Yeah.
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  S6: And this is like when we are on our phones,
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  S6: we think, oh, we're not going to become like that.
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  S6: We can just like, scroll through this stuff completely, you know, unattached.
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  S6: We're just, you know, kind of passing time, but we
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  S6: don't realize we are conforming. We are, we are looking
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  S6: at things and we're thinking, oh, that's what I want
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  S6: to be like. Oh, and we would think, oh, I
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  S6: would never move that way. You know, I would my
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  S6: morals would never move that way. My heart for Jesus wouldn't,
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  S6: would not stray. But what are we watching? What are
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  S6: we spending time on? What are we trying to become?
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  S6: Whether it's in business, whether it's in finance, whether it's
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  S6: being popular or liked or fixing our relationships or whatever
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  S6: it is. As we look at our phone as the expert,
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  S6: we're being discipled by that. And that's a huge mistake
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  S6: for so many of us.
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  S5: We really are. And here's what's wild. So let's just
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  S5: take politics. We never talk politics here. But the but
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  S5: the fact is, when we start getting on one algorithmic line.
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  S6: Yes.
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  S5: And I'm not a big one for, uh, bringing balance.
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  S5: I don't like that term. I like truth. Yeah. Let's
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  S5: get on the high ridge of truth. But we are
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  S5: going to be hard pressed to get balance, let alone truth,
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  S5: into our life when we get down one algorithmic because
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  S5: isn't it designed that way?
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  S6: It totally is. Because think of it, everything is modeled
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  S6: to keep you on. So it's not like, hey, let's
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  S6: tell this person the truth, which would be, hey, you've
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  S6: been sitting here for three hours. You should probably go
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  S6: take a walk outside. That'd be really good for you.
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  S6: You know, it's not it's let's keep you on as
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  S6: long as possible. And the emotions that keep us on
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  S6: are anger, disgust, sadness. You know, it's not usually happiness
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  S6: and joy. And let me stay on this forever. Yeah.
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  S5: Yesterday we had a woman calling because we were asking
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  S5: what was the question we were asking Young Thunder.
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  S3: We were asking people what they were saying no to,
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  S3: to get out of the exhaustion and the anxious toil
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  S3: and to find rest in God.
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  S5: Yeah. It came out of Psalm 127, verse one and two.
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  S5: And what's interesting, this woman, she said, what I got
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  S5: out of was I got out of social media altogether
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  S5: because she was working a full workday. She'd come home,
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  S5: she'd spend self-admittedly, 4 to 5 hours on social media,
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  S5: responding to people putting statements up. And by the time
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  S5: she was going to bed, it was making her angry
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  S5: and discouraged. This is how real these devices are, right, Arlene?
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  S6: Yeah. Yeah. I think about, you know, Paul is instructing
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  S6: Titus in in the Bible and he's telling him, Titus,
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  S6: this is how to be godly. This is how to
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  S6: lead the people. And he's telling him in Titus chapter three, obey.
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  S6: Speak evil of no one. Be peaceable, gentle, show humility,
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  S6: be subject to rulers and authorities. And you think of
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  S6: that list and you think, okay, when I'm on my phone,
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  S6: does it help me to be subject to rulers and authorities,
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  S6: to obey, to be ready for every good work, to
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  S6: be gentle. Humble. Right. It's the to speak evil of
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  S6: no one. It's the opposite. So to think, okay, if
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  S6: I want to be formed like Jesus, okay, yes, these
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  S6: devices could help me be more gentle and humble. You
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  S6: could use them. You could be listening to Carl and
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  S6: crew right now, and you could be becoming more like this.
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  S6: But you have to be super careful because it's not
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  S6: wired to do that. It's wired to disciple you in
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  S6: the opposite direction.
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  S5: And all the brainiacs that created this stuff, we got
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  S5: a daughter that's a PhD in organizational psychology, and she's
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  S5: got an AI emphasis, and she will not let our
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  S5: granddaughter touch a device. Isn't that.
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  S6: Funny?
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  S5: Won't let her touch the device. So we got to
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  S5: learn from this. Okay. So, okay, we got a bunch
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  S5: of folks right now, I want you to pour out
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  S5: your heart about the destructive nature of devices. Let's just
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  S5: go there. Let's go there.
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  S6: Yeah. If you knew something was harmful, like a cigarette
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  S6: or something, right. At least, you know, there's a warning
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  S6: this is going to be harmful to you. And today,
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  S6: let's for kids in particular, and we'll get to adults
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  S6: in a second. But we must be way more protective
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  S6: to kids because we wouldn't give like, oh, you know,
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  S6: child of mine, here's some alcohol, here's some drugs, here's
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  S6: some smoking, here's some pornography, because you're going to have
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  S6: to deal with that anyway. And no one's going to
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  S6: give that to an eight year old, a 12 year old,
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  S6: a 15 year old, and hope that they'll make a
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  S6: good choice. But we are giving these devices thinking that, well,
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  S6: if everybody else is doing it, this shouldn't be a problem.
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  S6: So we need to wake up and realize this is
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  S6: a digital drug that many kids will grow up to
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  S6: be addicted to, and they're going to turn into 20
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  S6: year olds and 30 year olds and 40 year olds
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  S6: who don't know how to work to make a living
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  S6: because everything's come easy, who don't know how to talk
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  S6: to God because they've been talking to AI. And AI
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  S6: answers really quickly and kind of tells them what they
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  S6: want to hear. And we'll have trouble relating to people
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  S6: because we don't have any practice, no practice, no practice
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  S6: solving problems, having conflict, repairing relationships with saying, I'm sorry.
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  S6: So for our society, this is a tragedy for the
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  S6: children in our own home. It is unthinkable that we
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  S6: would raise them in such a way. And for the
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  S6: generation that's following us, that needs to be great and
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  S6: mighty and do great works for God, they're not going
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  S6: to be ready. And so we do need more parents
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  S6: that will say, I'm going to pre decide not to
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  S6: drink the Kool-Aid. I'm going to pre decide to say
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  S6: to my children, you're going to be raised in a
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  S6: different way. And then for us as adults that we say,
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  S6: I don't want to be shaped into this mold of
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  S6: just convenience and comfort and no purpose, no passion.
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  S5: God's gifted you to deliver some tough news in a
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  S5: very kind way. But that's some tough news, isn't it, Arlene? Yeah,
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  S5: but it's true, isn't it? Yeah.
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  S6: It is. Unfortunately it is.
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  S5: Okay. Um, how do we move from. And I'm going
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  S5: to take this caller from yesterday. She's so honest. I said,
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  S5: how many hours a day? And I said, are you
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  S5: courageous enough to tell me? She goes 4 to 5. Well,
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  S5: the national average, according to recent stats that I've seen,
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  S5: are 4 to 5 hours a day. Yeah.
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  S6: She's like normal.
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  S5: She's normal. So I don't know that we can get
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  S5: all that time back overnight. But how do we begin
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  S5: chipping away at it?
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  S6: Yeah. And I say look for that win. So let's
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  S6: say you're the four hour person and you're like, I'm
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  S6: not going to go to zero. I mean, you could,
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  S6: you could potentially say, you know what? For one week,
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  S6: what would happen if I went cold turkey on my
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  S6: social media for one week, and instead I got a
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  S6: friend to say, hey, will you have dinner with me
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  S6: the first night? You know, kind of launch me into this,
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  S6: watch me launch me into this cold turkey time. Could
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  S6: I meet people, talk to people who don't use that
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  S6: much social media and have them like, schedule all these
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  S6: coffee dates with people like that for the first week
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  S6: and really get that environment of health around you? Someone
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  S6: to model that you could look at as an example
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  S6: and say, wait, let me be more like that person,
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  S6: like a human being that you can ask questions of
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  S6: and say, how did you beat social media? Or how
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  S6: do you use your time instead? And then pick up
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  S6: a hobby, read a book, find what did you used
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  S6: to do before social media? So try to then schedule
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  S6: that time instead of a huge vacuum where you're just
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  S6: going to be staring at your phone schedule things, you know,
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  S6: dinners out, serve somebody else, you know, go out, do
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  S6: a hobby that you like. Try it for a week.
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  S6: And most likely what you'll find is, wow, I had
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  S6: no idea that in just one week I could be
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  S6: so much better. If that's a little like not your thing,
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  S6: then you know, we're going to shave this by one
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  S6: hour every day for a week and just see yourself
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  S6: making progress.
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  S5: Beautiful. Arlene, you're always an inspiration. I'll tell you what,
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  S5: no one can deliver brutally tough, convicting truths. Like Arlene.
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  S5: She does it with a smile on her face. Oh, uh,
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  S5: what's the fresh thing God's doing in your life right now, Arlene?
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  S6: You know, we've kind of touched on it, just that
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  S6: I think more of a boldness to say this is
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  S6: not working, you know, that that we would all realize
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  S6: what is happening in society is not good. You know,
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  S6: people are lonely. People are unmoored from faith and unmoored
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  S6: of the God of their fathers, you know? And so
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  S6: for us to, to realize this, we're not going to
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  S6: take this anymore. Like we are going to right the
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  S6: ship and we're going to start it in our own homes.
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  S6: And how can I help people in their individual families
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  S6: to say, I'm going to turn this around in my
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  S6: house and then bring those families together in community to say, hey,
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  S6: we have a collective action problem that all of us
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  S6: are doing this, but what if we could get 10%
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  S6: of Christian families of Christian adults to say, hey, I'm
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  S6: going to redeem back my time for Jesus and put
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  S6: all this useless stuff away? That really doesn't matter. And
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  S6: if we could get 10% to do that. Wow. That
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  S6: would be a great win.
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  S5: Yeah. You know what's interesting here? We didn't even touch
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  S1: Breaking chains and running free. You're listening to Carl and Crew.
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  S2: How much is your phone discipling? You loved our conversation
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  S2: with Arlene Pelican, talking about just the impact of this
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  S2: little thing that you're holding in your hand. Or maybe
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  S2: you've got it tucked in a pocket.
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  S3: Why does she have to be so convicting about stuff?
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  S2: You know, I was thinking about there's this I don't
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  S2: know if you've heard of this, Jonathan, because you do
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  S2: not spend a lot of time on social media.
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  S3: That's correct.
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  S2: There's this trend called TikTok made me buy it. Have
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  S2: you heard this?
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  S3: I, I know the concept because I, I mean, I've
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  S3: seen TikTok reels or Instagram reels and things like that.
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  S3: So I know the power of advertisement inside of those apps. Yes.
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  S2: And so we've seen this shift from advertisers primarily spending
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  S2: their dollars on like a static sort of traditional ads.
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  S2: You know, you used to see ads like in a
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  S2: newspaper or on billboards, and you still see some of that.
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  S3: And sometimes even just like a, you know, a poster
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  S3: style picture on Facebook.
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  S2: Or a commercial.
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  S3: Yeah, 100%.
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  S2: It's the crazy thing is so many people actually never
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  S2: see commercials anymore.
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  S3: Oh, I know, it's really weird.
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  S2: They see maybe a 15 second ad in the middle
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  S2: of something that they're watching. If they're watching one of
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  S2: those paid or a free version of, of a paid app. Yes.
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  S2: Streaming app. Yes. But usually you can kind of skip
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  S2: or forward through it.
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  S3: Or you can even buy plans that don't include commercials.
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  S3: If you're doing that, then you're not seeing them at all.
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  S2: So you can go around it all the all the way.
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  S2: So what's a, what's a marketer to do if traditional
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  S2: commercials aren't really as effective as they used to do
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  S2: adds well, you influence people's buying habits by product placement
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  S2: and by having content creators use your product.
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  S3: Yes. Which I think is probably one of the most
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  S3: effective ways of advertising anything, is because most of these
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  S3: influencers have built up a level of trust already with
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  S3: their audience. And then you hand those influencers things and say,
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  S3: now sell this. Yeah. And so they say, I use
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  S3: this in my everyday life and oh my goodness, it
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  S3: makes everything so much easier. And when you hear someone
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  S3: that you trust, start saying those things well, it makes
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  S3: you want to buy it too.
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  S2: Or you see these ads that pop up on Facebook,
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  S2: on Instagram, and it's maybe it's not necessarily someone you've
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  S2: ever seen before, but it feels very organic. It's, you know,
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  S2: one that I've seen a lot on my feed lately
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  S2: is I was, you know, shopping for vacation. And so
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  S2: I kept seeing these one viral linen pants that are
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  S2: perfect for vacation. And so it just kept popping up. Yeah.
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  S2: And I'm like, oh, these look, they look comfortable. They
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  S2: look like they don't wrinkle. They look like they travel. Well,
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  S2: I want to know from you what is some purchase
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  S2: that you've made? Maybe it wasn't TikTok, but you were
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  S2: influenced enough by something that you saw on social media ads,
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  S2: on maybe YouTube ads that you actually bought a product.
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  S2: What did TikTok or social media make you buy? Are
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  S2: you willing to own up to it? 805 557898, 805 5578, 98?
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  S3: You know, for me, my wife and I were getting
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  S3: ready to, uh, make a flight to another state. And
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  S3: with a little kiddo, that's a lot of things you
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  S3: got to pack, especially the car seat. Because if you're,
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  S3: if she's small enough and she was, and you're paying
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  S3: for her own seat, which we were, you have to
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  S3: have a car seat that goes with it. She was
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  S3: too small to sit in the airplane seat. How are
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  S3: we going to carry all that stuff around? Well, it
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  S3: just so happens that my wife started seeing things on
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  S3: social media of a dolly. There was a dolly. Oh, yeah.
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  S3: That you can bungee cord your car seat to and
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  S3: then just put your baby in the car seat and
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  S3: roll that thing around the airport.
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  S2: Around like luggage.
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  S3: And it was the best purchase we ever made. And
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  S3: every time we walk around the airport with it, we
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  S3: get stopped by people saying, oh my goodness, I wish
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  S3: I had that when my kid was so little. And
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  S3: so yes, we got influenced to purchase that and it
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  S3: was actually a really good purchase. We're so glad we
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  S3: did it.
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  S2: That's a, that's an example of something being maybe well
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  S2: worth it. Yes. So we'll take both on this and
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  S2: calls and texts. What is something that you bought? You
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  S2: were influenced to buy because you saw product placement or you,
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  S2: you saw social media influencers or the pants or the
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  S2: new smoke detector, or the new pots and pans that
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  S2: were non-toxic and healthy for your family. What's that thing
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  S2: that you were influenced to buy because you saw it online?
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  S1: and crew on Facebook and Instagram.
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  S7: Well, those ads are so effective, right?
• 17:47
  S2: You see them pop up maybe on Facebook or Instagram
• 17:49
  S2: or whatever platform YouTube that you spend time on. And
• 17:52
  S2: it seems like just a regular everyday person, someone you
• 17:56
  S2: might know in real life, and they've found this product
• 17:59
  S2: and it is absolutely transformed how they do X, Y,
• 18:02
  S2: or Z. And then once you see it once and
• 18:05
  S2: the algorithm realizes that you've stopped long enough to watch,
• 18:08
  S2: then you're going to see it again and again.
• 18:11
  S3: And sometimes you don't even need to stop that long.
• 18:13
  S3: It's like just a slight hesitation, millisecond scrolling. And it's like, oh,
• 18:17
  S3: you want to see this forever now? Okay, here you go.
• 18:19
  S2: Interested in this? And then you're going to keep on
• 18:21
  S2: seeing it. And then maybe over a couple days, you
• 18:24
  S2: start to think, boy, I really could use that in
• 18:26
  S2: my life. TikTok made me buy it is what the
• 18:29
  S2: kind of the hashtag trending. And when people buy something
• 18:33
  S2: solely because they saw it online and were convinced enough
• 18:37
  S2: that they needed it. I've made some of those purchases,
• 18:40
  S2: not TikTok, but I guess an Instagram ad or a
• 18:43
  S2: Facebook ad made me buy it. What was that thing
• 18:46
  S2: that you bought you were influenced to buy through social media?
• 18:49
  S2: 800 555, 7898 Jeff calling in this morning from Gate City, Florida.
• 18:55
  S2: What were you influenced to buy and how did it
• 18:58
  S2: work out for you?
• 19:00
  S8: Hey, good morning guys. Yeah, I was, uh, of course
• 19:04
  S8: I'm on Facebook. You see the you see the ads.
• 19:06
  S8: And it seems like if you even speak into your phone, uh,
• 19:10
  S8: ads will pop in.
• 19:11
  S9: Oh, yeah. Very true. It's like it's hearing us all
• 19:14
  S9: the time. Yes, but.
• 19:16
  S8: No, just just recently, uh, and what I usually do,
• 19:19
  S8: if I see an ad that interests me, I'll go to,
• 19:22
  S8: Amazon or one of those that that I can get
• 19:25
  S8: ratings on and also see if it's a better price.
• 19:28
  S8: But just recently, some minerals, you know, that I, that
• 19:31
  S8: I was interested in and, and I just looked on, on, uh,
• 19:35
  S8: Amazon and it had high rating and a better price.
• 19:38
  S8: So I bought it actually through them. So, um, I
• 19:41
  S8: don't really look like look at TikTok too much, but sure.
• 19:43
  S8: That kind of saved me some money and that happens
• 19:45
  S8: a lot. Okay.
• 19:47
  S2: And you, they working out for you, Jeff. These, these minerals,
• 19:50
  S2: these supplements, does it feel like a good buy?
• 19:54
  S8: Uh, yeah, I believe it was okay. Yeah.
• 19:56
  S2: All right.
• 19:56
  S8: I'm not really a TikTok user, but yeah, fair enough.
• 19:59
  S2: Jeff.
• 20:00
  S3: All social media works.
• 20:01
  S2: I know they don't limit it to TikTok, trust me. Uh,
• 20:04
  S2: Caroline calling in from Lauderdale, Florida, or. I'm sorry, where
• 20:08
  S2: are you calling in this morning from? Caroline.
• 20:11
  S10: I'm calling from Fort Lauderdale.
• 20:12
  S2: Fort Lauderdale? Gotcha. What is something that you were influenced
• 20:16
  S2: to by through social media.
• 20:19
  S10: Actually. Um, good morning. First of all, actually, it wasn't
• 20:21
  S10: through a social media. It was on television. It's called Plexaderm.
• 20:24
  S10: And I kept seeing it month after month and I'm like, okay,
• 20:27
  S10: I'm gonna give it a try. And boy, let me
• 20:29
  S10: tell you, that was one of the best decisions, one
• 20:32
  S10: of the best decisions I have made. I am wrinkle free,
• 20:35
  S10: line free. I'm just. I'm on top of the world.
• 20:38
  S10: It works.
• 20:39
  S11: Caroline from Fort Lauderdale, Florida. And the hilarious.
• 20:42
  S2: Thing is there are many people listening, going. So could
• 20:47
  S2: Caroline share what exactly that is that wrinkle thing that's
• 20:51
  S2: helping her look younger than she's ever looked in her life. Caroline.
• 20:55
  S2: We're not going to share any product names. What was
• 20:58
  S2: that thing that TikTok or Facebook or YouTube or whatever.
• 21:02
  S2: Fill in the blank. Some social media platform influenced you
• 21:06
  S2: to buy (800) 555-7898. Coming up, my influencer TikTok made me
• 21:13
  S2: buy it. Purchase actually got flagged by TSA last week.
• 21:18
  S2: So I had.
• 21:19
  S3: A little bit of an.
• 21:20
  S2: Alley. When they put aside my bag, I thought, what
• 21:25
  S2: in the world could have flagged it? And then it
• 21:28
  S2: hit me. Oh yeah, I'm gonna have to explain this purchase.
• 21:31
  S2: I'll tell you. Coming up.
• 21:33
  S1: It's Carl and Crew on Moody Radio.
• 21:36
  S2: Who's traveling last week. And you know, when you go
• 21:39
  S2: through the TSA PreCheck line or for me, TSA PreCheck,
• 21:43
  S2: I definitely find that to be a valuable addition to
• 21:46
  S2: my life.
• 21:46
  S3: Sure you don't. You don't go through the regular line.
• 21:48
  S2: So you don't have to take much out of your bag,
• 21:51
  S2: which is nice. You, you know, you if you have
• 21:53
  S2: a coat, you, you shed that you take everything out
• 21:56
  S2: of your pockets. But other than that, you're just the
• 21:59
  S2: main thing is just loading everything up on that conveyor
• 22:01
  S2: belt and then pushing it through and then walking through
• 22:05
  S2: the machine. But every once in a while, you might
• 22:08
  S2: find that your bag is one that doesn't emerge from the.
• 22:12
  S3: I hate sitting there and watching the bag go off
• 22:15
  S3: to the side.
• 22:15
  S2: From the little belt. It gets pulled off to the side.
• 22:18
  S2: I was traveling with my son and this time it
• 22:20
  S2: was his bag that I had packed some of my
• 22:23
  S2: stuff in because I had a little bit extra. I
• 22:27
  S2: was an over packer and he didn't need as much.
• 22:30
  S2: So he's like, mom. And so I thought, what in
• 22:33
  S2: the world? And I'm trying to think, okay, I made
• 22:35
  S2: sure that I didn't have any, you know, any excess liquids.
• 22:38
  S2: We poured out our water bottles. I made sure that
• 22:41
  S2: the sunscreen was three ounces. And I'm thinking, what in
• 22:45
  S2: the world could it be? So they pull they pull
• 22:47
  S2: the bag and the guy pulls it off to the side.
• 22:49
  S2: Really nice guy. This this TSA agent he was, he
• 22:54
  S2: was really nice. So he starts opening the bag and
• 22:57
  S2: he starts. That always feels a little, you know, intimidating. Right.
• 23:00
  S2: And they're kind of rifling through you, right.
• 23:02
  S3: You know, you're not doing anything wrong.
• 23:04
  S2: I didn't pack anything crazy. And so he he's like
• 23:07
  S2: looking through and then he takes out my toiletry bag,
• 23:10
  S2: which had all of my face gunk, you know, the,
• 23:13
  S2: my layers of face lotions. And and I was like, well,
• 23:16
  S2: I said, you know, as he's looking through the toiletry bag,
• 23:19
  S2: I said, I packed a razor. And he's like, no, that,
• 23:22
  S2: that shouldn't do it. And then it hit me and
• 23:25
  S2: I said, oh boy. I said, I think I know
• 23:28
  S2: what it is that that got flagged. And he's like, well, what?
• 23:31
  S2: I said, well, I bought this face shaper, a face sculptor.
• 23:38
  S2: And he was like, what? I said, it's a small it's.
• 23:40
  S2: And so what it is, it's, it's called a gua sha.
• 23:44
  S3: Okay.
• 23:45
  S2: And it's like this thing that's supposed to sort of
• 23:48
  S2: sculpt your jawline. And so it's, but it's small and
• 23:52
  S2: it's metal and it's shaped kind of like a, like
• 23:55
  S2: a crescent moon kind of.
• 23:58
  S3: Oh. And so.
• 23:59
  S2: But it's, it's definitely an oddly shaped metal, like.
• 24:01
  S3: A scythe, like a farmer's scythe type of like a,
• 24:04
  S3: a big metal hook.
• 24:06
  S2: No. How do I describe it? I mean, it's, you
• 24:09
  S2: could hold it in the palm of your hand. It's
• 24:10
  S2: got some weight to it. It's metal. It's probably no,
• 24:14
  S2: no thicker than maybe two quarters stacked together. And the
• 24:18
  S2: idea is that you run this along your face and
• 24:21
  S2: it's supposed to push like excess, like, like help your
• 24:23
  S2: lymphatic drainage. This is all stuff that I saw on
• 24:27
  S2: social media. And so I am he's like, and he
• 24:31
  S2: pulls it out. He's like, yep, this is it. He goes,
• 24:33
  S2: what is this? I said, well, um, it's supposed to
• 24:36
  S2: help sculpt your jawline.
• 24:40
  S3: What a conversation.
• 24:40
  S2: I'm literally standing there and explaining to the TSA agent
• 24:43
  S2: who's losing it that this is something I use for
• 24:47
  S2: my face to sculpt things. He's like, what are you,
• 24:49
  S2: a model or something? And I'm like, definitely not. But
• 24:52
  S2: I just saw it and I bought it. So then
• 24:55
  S2: he takes it back over to the other guy and
• 24:58
  S2: explains to him about my gua sha that.
• 25:00
  S3: TikTok not keeping it a secret.
• 25:03
  S2: And I was like. And my son, meanwhile, is absolutely mortified.
• 25:07
  S3: He does not.
• 25:08
  S2: Even though it was my toiletry bag that I had
• 25:10
  S2: to last minute shove in his bag. He felt somehow
• 25:13
  S2: implicated that I had gotten his.
• 25:16
  S3: Well, he's standing next to the person who. Everyone goes,
• 25:18
  S3: look at this, look at this.
• 25:20
  S2: And it was a little bit. I mean, it was
• 25:22
  S2: both funny, but a little embarrassing to have to explain
• 25:24
  S2: that I had bought this thing because I'm trying to
• 25:26
  S2: chisel my jawline a little bit like the kids online.
• 25:32
  S2: You can blame the ads because after like the fifth one,
• 25:35
  S2: I said, absolutely, I do need something that's going to
• 25:38
  S2: push the lymphatic drainage from.
• 25:40
  S3: My cheeks.
• 25:41
  S2: Down my.
• 25:41
  S3: Neck. I never knew the lymphatic drainage was such a problem.
• 25:45
  S2: It's not.
• 25:47
  S3: So did he let you keep it?
• 25:48
  S2: Oh, absolutely.
• 25:49
  S3: Okay. Because sometimes, depending on what it is, they got
• 25:51
  S3: to keep.
• 25:51
  S2: He had an absolute great laugh about it. And we did.
• 25:54
  S2: And it was. And so I was grateful. Yes, that
• 25:56
  S2: he let me keep it because I wouldn't have had
• 25:57
  S2: to want to have to buy it again.
• 26:00
  S3: Again.
• 26:01
  S2: Gua sha. I'm not recommending it. This is not me
• 26:04
  S2: like telling you to go buy this. I would say
• 26:06
  S2: it's one of those purchases that's in the middle zone.
• 26:09
  S2: Is it working yet? I don't know if you see
• 26:11
  S2: the videos of us that pop up and I look
• 26:13
  S2: a little bit more chiseled.
• 26:17
  S3: But wow, Ali's jawline in these videos is look.
• 26:20
  S2: At.
• 26:20
  S12: That jawline. So ridiculous.
• 26:24
  S3: Right?
• 26:25
  S2: Oh my goodness. Coming up. Let's get back on track.
• 26:27
  S2: So it's one thing when TikTok or YouTube or some
• 26:31
  S2: influencer influences you to buy something, but who's influencing how
• 26:37
  S2: you think, what you think about the world, how you
• 26:40
  S2: see life? Maybe your phone more than you think as well.
• 26:43
  S2: Coming up, let's go to Scripture.
• 26:45
  S1: He was running from God, but God's love brought him home.
• 26:49
  S1: Carl is in the crew. It's Carl and crew on
• 26:53
  S1: Moody Radio.
• 26:54
  S2: Hope you're having a great Tuesday. I've been on vacation,
• 26:57
  S2: so my days are all you know, you get to
• 26:59
  S2: that point where you're like, I don't know what day
• 27:01
  S2: it is, but we are back in the swing of things.
• 27:03
  S2: I want to take you to Luke six, a couple
• 27:05
  S2: of verses and point you to, as we've been talking
• 27:07
  S2: about the anxious generation this week and today, about how
• 27:11
  S2: our devices, how social media are shaping us. Luke 639
• 27:16
  S2: through 41. He also told them a parable. This is
• 27:19
  S2: Jesus to the disciples. Can a blind man lead a
• 27:22
  S2: blind man? Will they not both fall into a pit?
• 27:26
  S2: A disciple is not above his teacher, but everyone, when
• 27:29
  S2: he is fully trained, will be like his teacher. And
• 27:33
  S2: then it goes on to the next couple verses. This
• 27:36
  S2: is probably familiar to you. Why do you see the
• 27:38
  S2: speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not
• 27:40
  S2: notice the log that is in your own eye? How
• 27:44
  S2: can you say to your brother, brother, let me take
• 27:46
  S2: out that speck that is in your eye when you
• 27:48
  S2: yourself do not see the log that is in your
• 27:51
  S2: own eye? You hypocrite! First take the log out of
• 27:54
  S2: your own eye and then you will see clearly to
• 27:56
  S2: take out the speck that is in your brother's eye.
• 28:00
  S2: A lot, a lot in this little passage. But it
• 28:03
  S2: starts out with a little kind of mini parable. A
• 28:06
  S2: rhetorical question, if you will. Can a blind man lead
• 28:10
  S2: a blind man?
• 28:12
  S3: Absolutely not.
• 28:14
  S2: Pretty obvious, right?
• 28:15
  S3: Yeah. Neither of them can see where they're going.
• 28:18
  S2: And the blindness being spoken of here as we kind
• 28:21
  S2: of look at the passage in context, is a blindness
• 28:24
  S2: to your own faults?
• 28:27
  S3: Yes.
• 28:28
  S2: While also trying to judge or lead others. Mhm. So
• 28:34
  S2: and this is a real this you see how this
• 28:36
  S2: is problematic and how this relates to when you think
• 28:39
  S2: about what's shaping you. There is a worldview that's attached
• 28:43
  S2: to what you're seeing and being shaped by online. And
• 28:49
  S2: you know, Arlene, I love how she talked about how
• 28:53
  S2: we would be wrong to think that it's sort of
• 28:56
  S2: a passive thing. Yes. That we can somehow scroll and
• 29:02
  S2: scroll and consume different content.
• 29:05
  S3: And nothing's happening to us.
• 29:07
  S2: And not be led by it.
• 29:09
  S3: Yeah. That's accurate.
• 29:10
  S2: Not be in some way start to be shaped by
• 29:13
  S2: the worldview of the person and maybe not a person,
• 29:18
  S2: but the algorithm kind of takes on a life of
• 29:20
  S2: its own. And so can a blind man lead a
• 29:24
  S2: blind man? Obviously not. Will they not both fall into
• 29:28
  S2: a pit? And then it goes on to talk about
• 29:31
  S2: the speck, the log, and the speck. And so there's
• 29:35
  S2: an interesting sort of trend of so many people wanting
• 29:39
  S2: to influence others. The whole category of influencers. Oh yeah.
• 29:45
  S2: Everybody wants to be a guide.
• 29:47
  S3: Yes. And there's.
• 29:48
  S2: A.
• 29:48
  S3: Leader. I mean, it's a statistic that that like 60%
• 29:53
  S3: of kids want to grow up to be influencers or YouTubers.
• 29:57
  S3: They want to be in a spot where people are
• 29:59
  S3: looking to them.
• 30:00
  S2: And the interesting thing, because I did some did some
• 30:02
  S2: checking on this yesterday, because I remember you telling us
• 30:05
  S2: a couple of weeks ago about that, about that stat.
• 30:08
  S2: And there's been a shift in the last 10 to
• 30:10
  S2: 15 years. So there's still a lot of younger people
• 30:14
  S2: who want that platform. But the shift has been from
• 30:17
  S2: the desire for the platform, for fame itself. Yeah. Now
• 30:22
  S2: it's shifted to the desire to have influence, to kind
• 30:25
  S2: of impact some sort of change really.
• 30:27
  S3: Yeah. That's very interesting.
• 30:29
  S2: So it shifted from I just want to be famous,
• 30:31
  S2: which is what I thought it was about.
• 30:33
  S3: I would have figured the same thing.
• 30:34
  S2: But no, it's really about influence and wanting to shape
• 30:39
  S2: how other people think, wanting to be the one that
• 30:43
  S2: sort of looked to. And so you think about something.
• 30:46
  S2: We've talked about the products and how, you know, it
• 30:48
  S2: can feel innocent enough when you when you buy the
• 30:51
  S2: thing that social media keeps telling you that you need
• 30:55
  S2: to buy. But what about the worldview and the ideas
• 30:59
  S2: That your algorithm keeps telling you that you should think.
• 31:03
  S2: How do you feel when you spend spent some time scrolling?
• 31:09
  S2: What do you believe to be true about the world?
• 31:12
  S3: Yeah.
• 31:13
  S2: Think about that.
• 31:14
  S3: It's really important because you're right. We do often think
• 31:19
  S3: of it as a passive thing. We we go, we scroll.
• 31:22
  S3: We have the thoughts that we think. And a lot
• 31:24
  S3: of them are kind of subconscious. They just happen. And
• 31:26
  S3: then we shut it off and we don't investigate that anymore. Yeah,
• 31:31
  S3: I think it's really good when you're on today to
• 31:34
  S3: be aware of what your phone is telling you, to
• 31:37
  S3: be aware of what the videos you're watching are saying
• 31:39
  S3: to you and what it's making you believe and think.
• 31:42
  S2: Are we following blind guides? We certainly don't want to
• 31:45
  S2: do that. Just like we don't want to be blind
• 31:48
  S2: guides ourselves, being shaped by things and then influencing others
• 31:54
  S2: with what may or may not be the truth. More
• 31:58
  S2: coming up.
• 31:59
  S1: Take your next step with Jesus today. You're listening to
• 32:03
  S1: cast and Crew.
• 32:04
  S2: Well, we can't really have a conversation about social media,
• 32:09
  S2: about devices, about the algorithms without bringing in our guy,
• 32:14
  S2: our AI guy.
• 32:15
  S3: He's the guy.
• 32:17
  S2: Drew Dickens with us. Coming up.
• 32:19
  S1: Your spiritual pit stop to keep you going in the race.
• 32:23
  S1: You're listening to cast and Crew.
• 32:25
  S5: So who or what is discipling you? And when we
• 32:30
  S5: say discipling, here's what we mean. Because discipleship means apprenticeship
• 32:35
  S5: of Jesus Christ, it means that we are walking in
• 32:39
  S5: that path less traveled. He's guiding our steps as we go.
• 32:42
  S5: Along this way, we're emulating the life he lived. And
• 32:46
  S5: here's the reality it is super easy to get discipled
• 32:50
  S5: by something or someone other than Jesus. Doctor Drew Dickens here,
• 32:56
  S5: our AI expert friend. I know you've never struggled with
• 33:00
  S5: this in your life, drew, but try to get there
• 33:02
  S5: with me. You know what I'm saying, my man.
• 33:06
  S13: Yeah, I have no idea what you're talking about, but
• 33:08
  S13: I know you do. So I've been trying to learn
• 33:10
  S13: from you on the applications of this. You know, when
• 33:13
  S13: you said being a disciple is an apprenticeship? I I'm
• 33:17
  S13: always fascinated with the first century church on Jesus being
• 33:21
  S13: able to walk up to successful business people. I mean,
• 33:24
  S13: they had a flourishing fishing empire, right? Yeah. And, and said,
• 33:28
  S13: follow me. And they dropped their nets and go. Yeah.
• 33:31
  S13: And I've always been intrigued with that, that the power of,
• 33:35
  S13: of wanting to be the disciple of a rabbi and
• 33:38
  S13: the weight that that would have carried. And there was
• 33:40
  S13: a great phrase back in the first century about being
• 33:43
  S13: covered in the dust of your rabbi, that you're living
• 33:46
  S13: that close with them. Emulating was the word you just mentioned.
• 33:50
  S13: And so I think we all want to be discipled.
• 33:52
  S13: But boy, when when we look at it's just surrendering
• 33:55
  S13: our lives to be like that teacher and that rabbi.
• 33:59
  S13: We don't have that level of commitment. But with AI,
• 34:02
  S13: but with algorithms, we we so willingly give ourselves over
• 34:07
  S13: to letting it shape and guide us at every turn.
• 34:11
  S13: And I, I face this every day.
• 34:13
  S5: Doctor Drew Dickens, visionary leader, AI expert scholar who's had
• 34:18
  S5: significant impact at this intersection of technology, spirituality, faith based engagement. Okay, drew,
• 34:27
  S5: let's do a quick sideways move here. What's the latest
• 34:30
  S5: in AI? What do we need to know about what's
• 34:32
  S5: popping every week? You get in here, we learn something new.
• 34:35
  S13: I'll give you one that just broke. So this week,
• 34:38
  S13: really the last seven days have been all about new models. Traditionally,
• 34:43
  S13: the summertime, it's been slow in AI. I guess everybody
• 34:46
  S13: goes on vacation. Boy, not so this summer. And it
• 34:49
  S13: started with a flurry last week. So we had anthropic
• 34:52
  S13: as Claude. They came out with. Fable five was their
• 34:55
  S13: most recent release. The government saw it, shut it down.
• 34:58
  S13: They gave it back. GPT six then came out, which
• 35:02
  S13: is ChatGPT. They came out with version six just a
• 35:06
  S13: few days ago. Grok, I know your favorite grok has
• 35:11
  S13: been sort of quiet about that, as they've been trying
• 35:14
  S13: to take their company public and shoot rockets to the moon.
• 35:18
  S13: Grok has now got a new model, but also who's
• 35:21
  S13: been really quiet is Facebook. Meta came out with a
• 35:24
  S13: new one called spark 11.1. They haven't done anything in
• 35:29
  S13: a year but took it down again. Uh, somebody what's.
• 35:33
  S5: Going on with.
• 35:34
  S13: That.
• 35:34
  S5: Drew?
• 35:35
  S13: Well, one of the things that spark, which is Meta
• 35:38
  S13: and Facebook, one of the things that they were letting
• 35:41
  S13: users do is take their social media pictures of themselves
• 35:45
  S13: on Facebook and altering them and doing goofy, funny things
• 35:49
  S13: with them and whatnot. Unfortunately, you could also do that
• 35:52
  S13: with other people's pictures, which they hadn't thought through. And
• 35:56
  S13: so a lot of people in Hollywood, a lot of
• 35:59
  S13: other people just started throwing red flags all over the place,
• 36:02
  S13: throwing red cards in soccer and, um, and said, this,
• 36:05
  S13: this is dangerous. And so meta said, yeah, you're right.
• 36:09
  S13: So they, I don't think it was up 24 hours
• 36:11
  S13: and it's already down again. Wow. So, uh, this has
• 36:14
  S13: really been the week of the new models out there.
• 36:18
  S5: And this matters because whether we like it or not,
• 36:21
  S5: we've got AI all around us. I had a, uh,
• 36:25
  S5: two customer service calls I made last week just for
• 36:28
  S5: things in life. And they were two of the most
• 36:33
  S5: authentic voices. It was. So the little nuances of, oh boy,
• 36:38
  S5: you know, let me check on that for you. And
• 36:40
  S5: it was the voice and cadence and everything was so good.
• 36:42
  S5: I had to go, excuse me, are you AI? Long pause,
• 36:47
  S5: Long pause and I was I was expecting, uh, because
• 36:51
  S5: I thought, nah, this can't be. I was expecting a no.
• 36:54
  S5: It's for no. Then she says, yes, I am. AI,
• 36:57
  S5: would you like a live customer service rep? And I
• 36:59
  S5: said I would, yes. It's freaky how real it is,
• 37:04
  S5: isn't it, drew?
• 37:05
  S13: Yes. Well, it's the same thing happened to me earlier
• 37:08
  S13: this year. We a couple of months ago, we were
• 37:09
  S13: having somebody come out and do some Hvac work on
• 37:12
  S13: our unit outside and called. Same thing. And I do
• 37:16
  S13: this for a living. So and I'm I'm having maybe
• 37:19
  S13: a three minute scheduling conversation with Cassandra. I'll never forget
• 37:23
  S13: her name. It's name, and I'm just talking away. And
• 37:27
  S13: all of a sudden there was some kind of strange
• 37:29
  S13: pause in the voice or a lilt or something. And
• 37:31
  S13: I went, and then you have to ask that that
• 37:35
  S13: new question. We're not used to asking, are you real?
• 37:37
  S13: Are you a human? Are you AI? And boy, she came.
• 37:41
  S13: She didn't pause a minute. She said, well, as a
• 37:43
  S13: matter of fact, I am. I'm the Hal 2000 or
• 37:46
  S13: whatever and and identify herself wild. And again, going back
• 37:51
  S13: to being discipled. The more frequent that becomes, it starts
• 37:54
  S13: to affect us. Yeah. Going back to what meta was
• 37:56
  S13: doing with their altering images online, we don't know what's real.
• 38:01
  S13: We don't know what sounds if it's real or not.
• 38:03
  S13: On a voice, on an image. And all that is,
• 38:07
  S13: is shifting how our mind processes reality. In other words,
• 38:11
  S13: it starts to disciple us and we need to be
• 38:14
  S13: so aware of that.
• 38:15
  S5: The algorithm thing, I want to get into this a moment.
• 38:20
  S5: It is staggering. I don't know where they're scraping their
• 38:24
  S5: information from, but I forget what it was. I'm not
• 38:27
  S5: afraid to share it. If I remember it, I was
• 38:29
  S5: buying a product somewhere and I didn't have any connection
• 38:33
  S5: to any social media. I kid you not. From social
• 38:38
  S5: media platforms to ex to you name it. All of
• 38:42
  S5: a sudden, this is what I'm seeing in my feed.
• 38:45
  S5: I mean, that's been around for a while, but it's there.
• 38:48
  S5: They've mastered it, haven't they, drew?
• 38:50
  S13: And I think that's the thing. The easy explanation is
• 38:53
  S13: that Siri and Alexa, they're listening to us and whatnot.
• 38:57
  S13: I'm not denying that. I've got no insight. They claim not.
• 39:01
  S13: And their terms of service. What I do believe, though,
• 39:04
  S13: is the algorithm is just that good. Even if I'm
• 39:08
  S13: not super active on social by the just the most
• 39:11
  S13: basic information, it knows my zip code. It knows the
• 39:14
  S13: IP address of the computer I'm on, and it can
• 39:17
  S13: start building a profile of who I am and it
• 39:20
  S13: knows you know who I like on Facebook, on Twitter,
• 39:23
  S13: who I follow here or follow there. Yes, it starts
• 39:26
  S13: to create this profile and that's how the algorithm we
• 39:29
  S13: feed it, whether we intentionally do or not, we're always
• 39:32
  S13: feeding and training and discipling the algorithm as it disciples us.
• 39:38
  S13: And it's just that good that it can anticipate our needs.
• 39:41
  S13: It feels like it's anticipating our needs.
• 39:44
  S5: So we're called to be disciples of Jesus 269 times
• 39:49
  S5: in the New Testament, authentic faith is described as a
• 39:53
  S5: follower or disciple of Christ as opposed to Christian used
• 39:57
  S5: three times in the ESV. I think believers used as
• 40:00
  S5: a moniker where Jesus said he used them, calling them
• 40:05
  S5: a believer. I think it's 11 times. And so 269
• 40:10
  S5: times authentic faith is described as disciple or follower of Christ.
• 40:15
  S5: So you got this AI phenomenon in here, and it's
• 40:19
  S5: tough enough to follow Jesus before AI. You're an expert
• 40:23
  S5: on this stuff, drew. How do we keep from is
• 40:27
  S5: it just time management on social media? That's got to
• 40:30
  S5: be a big one, because if you got four hours
• 40:32
  S5: on social media, you're getting discipled by someone other than Jesus.
• 40:36
  S5: For sure. Right? Or, or can we manage even that?
• 40:40
  S5: Maybe I'm being too cynical.
• 40:41
  S13: I tell you, there are three things that always pop
• 40:43
  S13: to mind when we have this conversation. And the first
• 40:45
  S13: I want to again thank the work that Carl and
• 40:48
  S13: crew and Moody and the the shows, the broadcasts that
• 40:52
  S13: we see on the station all day is the first
• 40:56
  S13: thing I would encourage people to do is to invest
• 40:58
  S13: into a community like that is to support it, to
• 41:02
  S13: carve out time every day, to find a program, to
• 41:05
  S13: find a show that they like, where they can trust
• 41:08
  S13: the message that they're hearing and receiving and living into.
• 41:13
  S13: So the first would be to, because it's, again, it's
• 41:16
  S13: too late. AI is here. It's not going away. So
• 41:19
  S13: we can manage our time, I think not by doing
• 41:22
  S13: away with AI, but finding ways to invest into communities
• 41:26
  S13: like Moody. The second thing is, and it's something I'm
• 41:30
  S13: doing that's hard for me to do is, is I'm going,
• 41:33
  S13: I'm going analog. You know, it's so tempting to make
• 41:37
  S13: notes to myself on my phone. Yes, I'm going analog.
• 41:40
  S13: I'm using this device called a pen. You can look
• 41:42
  S13: it up on YouTube and see how that works. And
• 41:45
  S13: a piece of what's called paper. Yeah, they might have.
• 41:48
  S5: Crazy.
• 41:49
  S13: Um, but man, I'm going analog and I'm writing things
• 41:52
  S13: down in my journal and just taking the discipline of,
• 41:56
  S13: of slowing that down. Good. The third thing is just
• 41:59
  S13: to be aware that this is happening. Being aware that
• 42:02
  S13: you're being trained, that you're being discipled by these algorithms.
• 42:07
  S13: So awareness community. And again, I'm going analog. It's just
• 42:12
  S13: to slow things down. Um, and I'm, I'm choosing to
• 42:16
  S13: do that with pen and paper in hand.
• 42:18
  S5: So you're an AI expert. Give us what you feel
• 42:24
  S5: from your perspective. What are the threats that we need
• 42:29
  S5: to be aware of that most people are just blunt
• 42:33
  S5: like sheep to slaughter. We're heading off into it right
• 42:36
  S5: now that we need to really be alert to.
• 42:39
  S13: Yeah, isolation. Because those times where we've woken up at night,
• 42:45
  S13: existential crisis, panic attacks, can't breathe. I don't know who
• 42:49
  S13: to turn to. This weight on my shoulder. I don't
• 42:52
  S13: know where else to go. I can call my therapist.
• 42:54
  S13: They don't answer at two in the morning, and it's
• 42:56
  S13: going to be 300 bucks an hour. Pastor's not going
• 42:58
  S13: to take that. Um, I just don't know where to turn. AI,
• 43:02
  S13: you know, AI can't not answer. And that's so alluring
• 43:08
  S13: because it's always going to be there. It's always going
• 43:10
  S13: to be so comforting and so affirming. And it knows,
• 43:14
  S13: you know, what I like and what I don't like.
• 43:16
  S13: And it's just so comforting. It's so alluring. Fight that temptation. Yeah.
• 43:21
  S13: I think that's one of the most dangerous. I can
• 43:23
  S13: wrap so many things around that. But so much of
• 43:26
  S13: it's just around isolation. It feeds the need that we have. Yes,
• 43:31
  S13: we were designed to be in, in fellowship, right? We're
• 43:33
  S13: designed to be in community. This is not unnatural, but
• 43:36
  S13: it's it's being provided to us in an unnatural way.
• 43:40
  S13: And again, we need to be aware of that and
• 43:42
  S13: be mindful of that going on around us. And I
• 43:45
  S13: experience it every day. It's always there for a quick answer,
• 43:49
  S13: a quick, hey, drew, how's your day going? You know,
• 43:51
  S13: kind of question.
• 43:53
  S5: How smart is AI? My wife has figured out something.
• 43:56
  S5: She's convinced that when she affirms AI, she gets better
• 43:59
  S5: content back from them. Are they that smart or is
• 44:02
  S5: that not happening.
• 44:03
  S13: 100%, 100%. There's a lot of debate going back and
• 44:07
  S13: forth whether you should thank AI at the end of
• 44:09
  S13: a conversation, because the temptation is, hey, I see this. Yeah,
• 44:15
  S13: I look on your face.
• 44:16
  S5: Yeah, my look on my face is I'm treating it
• 44:19
  S5: like a robot. You're telling me there's something my wife
• 44:21
  S5: is convinced when she affirms it and says, you've actually
• 44:24
  S5: been a great help that she's getting better information. You're
• 44:27
  S5: saying she's right. Yeah.
• 44:28
  S13: Absolutely. It's called reinforcement learning. Oh my word. The more
• 44:32
  S13: technical term is reinforcement learning with human feedback. That's what
• 44:35
  S13: you're doing when you say thank you at the end
• 44:37
  S13: of a, hey, what's the weather going to be today?
• 44:40
  S13: It's going to be this and this and such. Okay, great. Thanks.
• 44:43
  S13: That thanks is telling the algorithm that it nailed it. Okay,
• 44:47
  S13: I got this one right. I tell you another example
• 44:49
  S13: of that is on the bottom of a, of a
• 44:51
  S13: chat exchange. Depending upon which model you use, there's a
• 44:55
  S13: button you can tap on. Yeah, it looks like a little, uh, document. Yeah.
• 44:59
  S13: It's a.
• 44:59
  S5: I've seen that. I've never, I've never hit it. What
• 45:01
  S5: is that?
• 45:02
  S13: If you click copy that is training the, the algorithm
• 45:07
  S13: that everything it just gave you is perfect. So I'm
• 45:10
  S13: going to copy exactly what you just sent me, and
• 45:13
  S13: I'm going to paste it into a document. Okay. As
• 45:16
  S13: opposed to you dragging through and highlighting a sentence or
• 45:20
  S13: two out of it, it doesn't know you did that.
• 45:22
  S13: So it gets no feedback. But if you click the
• 45:25
  S13: copy button, oh my gosh, that just sends the algorithm into,
• 45:29
  S13: you know, woohoo, I got everything right. It's so perfect.
• 45:33
  S13: Drew just copied it and pasted it into a document.
• 45:35
  S13: It's the same way of saying thank you. So yeah,
• 45:37
  S13: your wife's spot on.
• 45:38
  S5: Okay, that's some news. Uh, you you're doing these podcasts
• 45:43
  S5: often and often. They're, they're geared toward Carl and crew
• 45:46
  S5: and we're so thankful for that really quick. Give me
• 45:49
  S5: your best 30s on your most recent one the day
• 45:52
  S5: it switches off.
• 45:54
  S13: Yeah. So I mentioned briefly in the very beginning, uh,
• 45:57
  S13: a couple of weeks ago, um, Claude Anthropic released fable five.
• 46:02
  S13: The government saw it freaked him out, shut it down. And,
• 46:05
  S13: and in that span of about 24 hours when Claude
• 46:09
  S13: wasn't working, um, and it was working on a base level,
• 46:13
  S13: if you, if you use, if you use AI to
• 46:15
  S13: write an email, you're not going to notice this. But
• 46:17
  S13: if some more advanced AI reasoning, it just shut things down.
• 46:21
  S13: And I really thought, boy, that's sort of like a fast, okay,
• 46:24
  S13: why do we fast? Because we take things out of
• 46:27
  S13: our daily life. I'm not going to eat today, or
• 46:29
  S13: I'm not going to do this or I'm not going
• 46:31
  S13: to do that. It forces us to start looking inside.
• 46:34
  S13: I wanted people to take that time and think, man,
• 46:37
  S13: if I remove AI as much as I can from
• 46:39
  S13: my day, what part of my soul does that ache
• 46:43
  S13: and touch? And so that was the episode kind of
• 46:46
  S13: around fear, around anxiety. We're not supposed to be a
• 46:51
  S13: people of fear, but when when there's a tool that
• 46:53
  S13: we rely on that's removed from our lives, man, what
• 46:55
  S13: does that, what does that say to our soul? That's
• 46:58
  S13: this week's episode.
• 47:00
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