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Ep. 401 - Death Ship (1980) · Frightmares

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  Speaker 1: You are now listening to the Someone's Favorite Productions Podcast Network.
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  Speaker 1: Enjoy the show. Welcome back to Framers Podcast. I'm your host,
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  Speaker 1: Austin Proctor, and joining me today for episode 401 is
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  Speaker 1: my good friend, Derek Ferreira. How we doing?
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  Speaker 3: I'm doing subpar. No, I'm doing okay.
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  Speaker 1: Doing just about average with whatever sickness is throwing my way.
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  Speaker 1: I love how I have to read this every time
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  Speaker 1: because I will forget my intro every time I write
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  Speaker 1: it down because I'm like, yeah. But today on the
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  Speaker 1: last installment of Spectember Frights, we're discussing our wild card pick,
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  Speaker 1: Death Ship from 1980. A movie that definitely lives up
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  Speaker 1: to its name. And I guess the IMDb summary, but
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  Speaker 1: not what I was expecting in any capacity whatsoever. So
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  Speaker 1: that's where we're at with that. Let's see where this
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  Speaker 1: lands on the Nightmare Index. It's not going to be good. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: let's see. Letterboxd popping up here. But have you watched
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  Speaker 1: anything good lately, my friend? Anything noteworthy or not noteworthy?
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  Speaker 1: I always love hearing about a bad film.
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  Speaker 3: No, actually, I think everything I've watched recently has been
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  Speaker 3: at least moderate to good. We checked out End of
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  Speaker 3: Oak Street last night. I was pleasantly surprised with that one.
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  Speaker 1: Really?
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  Speaker 3: And I'll tell you, You know what I liked most
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  Speaker 3: about that? Did you see it?
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  Speaker 1: I have not seen it yet, but the trailer gives you...
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  Speaker 1: Did they leave anything for you to discover in the movie?
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  Speaker 1: Because I feel like they gave away a lot in
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  Speaker 1: the trailer.
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  Speaker 3: There's a little bit to discover within the movie. And
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  Speaker 3: I mean this in a genuinely nice way. I liked
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  Speaker 3: the fact that it was basic. It gave me late...
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  Speaker 3: You know, this movie reminded me like it was shelved
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  Speaker 3: 30 years ago and never got made. And now they
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  Speaker 3: finally did. It's got likable characters. There's, you know, Anne
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  Speaker 3: Hathaway and Ewan McGregor are kind of having marital problems,
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  Speaker 3: but it's the cheating asshole. It's just like he's delivering
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  Speaker 3: pizzas to try to make money and she wants to
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  Speaker 3: be a book writer. So it's kind of just like clashing.
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  Speaker 3: Like you weren't like, oh, I hate Ewan McGregor. He's
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  Speaker 3: an act like it was just so basic in the
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  Speaker 3: it told a story. It was fucking over and you
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  Speaker 3: just enjoyed the ride.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting, okay. Yeah, I mean, it's got a 3.0 and
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  Speaker 1: a 5 on Letterboxd. That's solid. I do love me
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  Speaker 1: some Ewan McGregor. It's not like I don't like Anne Hathaway,
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  Speaker 1: but more recently I've been kind of getting into more
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  Speaker 1: of her movies and really enjoying her as an actress,
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  Speaker 1: so that's fun. And how about the kids? Were the
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  Speaker 1: kid actors good, bad? What do we have?
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  Speaker 3: I'd say they were good. Good enough. Thankfully there wasn't enough, like,
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  Speaker 3: super focus on them so they pulled it off and
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  Speaker 3: then let's see what else did i watch i watched
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  Speaker 3: that monkey's merry-go-round that we already discussed through messages about
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  Speaker 3: how i did not expect another mental health fucking movie
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  Speaker 3: yeah so that kind of threw me for a loop just.
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  Speaker 1: Checking in yeah that one was fun uh like we
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  Speaker 1: uh getting a lot of those lately that buddy mr
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  Speaker 1: crockett a year or two ago i told you that
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  Speaker 1: there's another one on the way that i can't remember
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  Speaker 1: the name of and i'm not like upset with that
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  Speaker 1: it's whatever you know If.
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  Speaker 3: You can, mental health is out there and more people
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  Speaker 3: need to be conscious and aware of it. So I'm
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  Speaker 3: totally down for it, but it's like, oh my God,
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  Speaker 3: it's like, okay, obsession. And then I watched this and
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  Speaker 3: then I watched fucking drop dead Fred, which isn't even new.
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  Speaker 3: And that's about mental hellness. And it's just like mental hellness,
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  Speaker 3: mental hellness. Now let's see. I watched, I watched that
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  Speaker 3: 1982 movie iced. which was... Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I have that. I still have to watch The Vinegar Syndrome.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was one of those lost on tape for
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  Speaker 3: a really long time, and then Vinegar Syndrome finally put
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  Speaker 3: it out. I gave it a two star.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 3: It was very soap opera-y. I finally watched Buffy the
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  Speaker 3: Vampire Slayer, the movie, for the very first time all
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  Speaker 3: the way through. Okay. I'd only ever seen bits and pieces.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: It was solid, and I can see, like, if you
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  Speaker 3: grew up watching it, I can understand the nostalgia for it.
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  Speaker 1: Sure.
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  Speaker 3: I've watched Mutiny with Jason Statham, and those are always
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  Speaker 3: fun because he's just a one-man army taking people down.
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  Speaker 3: It was violent.
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  Speaker 1: It was... On a ship, too. Kind of on par
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  Speaker 1: with today, so there you go. Yeah. Here's my... Oh,
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  Speaker 1: go ahead. I got an impression for you.
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  Speaker 3: Coyote versus Acme, which was good.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, nice.
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  Speaker 1: Nice. I've been hearing great things about that.
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  Speaker 3: Mortal Kombat 2. This is like the most movies I've
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  Speaker 3: got to ramble off to you in a while.
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  Speaker 1: I know.
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  Speaker 3: Because usually you ask me and I'm like, oh, I've
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  Speaker 3: watched one thing. No, I've been trying to catch up
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  Speaker 3: and watch stuff. My problem is that I tend to
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  Speaker 3: want to watch movies that are newer that I missed
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  Speaker 3: in theaters.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And then they're not streaming or I find my way
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  Speaker 3: to stream them and.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I just end up falling behind, and I'm so
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  Speaker 3: bad about being like, oh, well, let me watch this
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  Speaker 3: movie that's 50 years old now. Well, I'm trying to
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  Speaker 3: get over that because there are plenty of movies from
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  Speaker 3: 50 years ago I haven't seen that I still need
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  Speaker 3: to see.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, go look at my shelves. They're filled.
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  Speaker 3: I'm trying to focus less on jamming all the new
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  Speaker 3: releases that I'm missing and actually just getting some fucking
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  Speaker 3: movie watching done.
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  Speaker 1: That's fair. That's fair. That's a lot of good shit
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  Speaker 1: right there. Uh, what'd you give coyote versus acne? Cause
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  Speaker 1: I see it as a 3.8 out of five on letterbox.
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  Speaker 1: That's crazy. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I gave it a four.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. Very nice. Very nice.
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  Speaker 3: I was hoping that I would smack it with a five. Um,
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  Speaker 3: But unfortunately the one thing, and it's, it's not that
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  Speaker 3: it necessarily took, I expected law and order style comedy
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  Speaker 3: movie where they were mostly in the courtroom and it's
• 7:44
  Speaker 3: not like that at all. It's like the trailer and
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  Speaker 3: the way people spoke about it prior to catch up,
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  Speaker 3: picking up on it and pick it, putting it out.
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  Speaker 3: made it sound like it was like a courtroom drama.
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  Speaker 3: So I thought that courtroom drama with Looney Tunes, this
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  Speaker 3: would be fucking hilarious. And although it was still very funny,
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  Speaker 3: it's actually minimal courtroom.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I didn't realize that John Cena, I love him
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  Speaker 1: in movies. He's so delightfully charming and hilarious. I did
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  Speaker 1: not realize he was in that. But yeah, I love
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  Speaker 1: the mix of animation and real life. You know, like
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  Speaker 1: Who Framed Roger Rabbit or Space Jam or whatever. But
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  Speaker 1: this one looks like it. I can't believe they shelved
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  Speaker 1: this movie. Yeah, I can't believe it because it's already
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  Speaker 1: made like $ 100 million. So it's funny.
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  Speaker 3: It'll get a kick out of it. Let me see what.
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  Speaker 1: The budget was, though. I am curious. Because I know
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot of jokes towards the company itself. Or like.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I heard. It's like whoever produced it or whatever,
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  Speaker 1: whoever owns the rights, there's a lot of jabs at them.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I haven't seen it, but that's what
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  Speaker 1: I've heard. So let's find this budget here. Let's see. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: $ 70 million making about $ 100. So, I mean, yeah, that's
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  Speaker 1: not a shit ton of profit, but, hey, that's still profit.
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  Speaker 1: So this is what happens when you shelve ideas and
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  Speaker 1: then people are like, but wait, why? No, we want that.
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  Speaker 1: It's like Blade. Are we ever getting Blade with Maharaj?
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  Speaker 3: Never getting Blade.
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  Speaker 1: Mahershala Ali or however you pronounce his name. My God,
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  Speaker 1: I was so excited for that. And they're like, maybe not.
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  Speaker 1: And then they're like, maybe, maybe not. Good grief. Did
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  Speaker 1: you have anything else? Because that was a lot of
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  Speaker 1: good shit.
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  Speaker 3: That's my laundry list for once.
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  Speaker 1: Love it. Okay, so I have some... Cult movie challenges
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  Speaker 1: to catch up on, because I totally forgot about that. So,
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  Speaker 1: back to week 35. It was John Woo slash Ringo
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  Speaker 1: Lam week. They are two separate directors. I picked the
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  Speaker 1: John Woo film because I knew the name. Because, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I like i knew the name but i'd only seen
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  Speaker 1: mission impossible 2 but he's done face off he's done
• 10:04
  Speaker 1: a better tomorrow hard target silent night yada yada yada
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  Speaker 1: so i picked his highest rated movie that was streaming
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  Speaker 1: it's called hard boiled and it's uh the cover is
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  Speaker 1: a policeman a With a baby and a shotgun. And
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  Speaker 1: I was like, hell yeah. And this was one of
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  Speaker 1: those things where I thought you get a certain interpretation
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  Speaker 1: from the poster. I thought it was going to be
• 10:29
  Speaker 1: like rescuing a baby and then running around like Hong
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  Speaker 1: Kong or wherever he was with this baby. But that's
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  Speaker 1: a very small aspect of the movie. So I just
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  Speaker 1: kept waiting for that moment to happen. And then it
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  Speaker 1: happens like right before the movie ends. And I was like, oh, okay.
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  Speaker 1: So now I need to go back and like rewatch it.
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  Speaker 1: With a different set of eyes, but still very enjoyable.
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  Speaker 1: The fighting and the action sequences were crazy.
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  Speaker 3: Somebody just recently put out a 4K of that, and
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  Speaker 3: I think it instantly sold out.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, man.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah, that's not surprising. John Woo has his audience.
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  Speaker 1: So that was week 35. Going to week 36, which was.
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  Speaker 1: Vinegar Syndrome Week, I watched Blood Harvest, a delightfully kind
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  Speaker 1: of movie from 1987.
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  Speaker 3: It is.
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  Speaker 1: Starring Tiny Tim, funny enough. He was an actor in
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  Speaker 1: some capacity as Mervo. And then it's, I thought it
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  Speaker 1: was going to be him as a deranged clown killing people.
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  Speaker 1: Spoiler warning, it's not. It's not. And the poster is
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  Speaker 1: like literally him in the clown makeup. So I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: deranged clown killer. No. No, not that at all. It's
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  Speaker 1: very rapey. Very rapey. Not my thing. I don't like
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  Speaker 1: when men... Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I bought it when Vinegar Syndrome put it out, and
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  Speaker 3: I have been putting off watching it forever.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's not Tiny Tim doing the essaying, so that's good.
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  Speaker 1: But still, I was like... Anytime a man is just
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  Speaker 1: forcing himself on a woman when she's clearly saying no,
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  Speaker 1: it's like, why are we putting this in film? Because
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  Speaker 1: it was the 80s. Yeah. It's like the only... It
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  Speaker 1: still happens, but I'm saying for some reason that was
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  Speaker 1: just like this prevalent thing in the 80s that I'm
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  Speaker 1: very glad we moved past. I gave it two and
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  Speaker 1: a half. And most of that scores for Tiny Tim
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  Speaker 1: because he does actually sing a few songs in the movie.
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, hell yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: He sings a few songs. It was great. And then
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  Speaker 1: the last one. Did I do another one? Oh, yeah.
• 12:32
  Speaker 1: This one was crazy. Week 37, Bill Plimpton week. Bill Plimpton,
• 12:37
  Speaker 1: for anyone who does not know, because I did not know,
• 12:40
  Speaker 1: he is an animator of like surrealism and it's like,
• 12:46
  Speaker 1: it's so hard to describe his art, but you know
• 12:48
  Speaker 1: how like SpongeBob will have those wacky moments where like
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: eyeballs will fling around and like he transmorphs into all
• 12:55
  Speaker 1: these other things. It's like that kind of surrealism, but with,
• 12:59
  Speaker 1: you know, not SpongeBob and Patrick with like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: human characters and, arms will stretch and faces will contort.
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  Speaker 1: It was like an acid trip, but like you didn't
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  Speaker 1: have to take the acid. It's one of the wildest
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  Speaker 1: movies I've ever seen. I'm not going to explain the plot.
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  Speaker 1: Just go into it.
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  Speaker 3: What was the name of the movie again?
• 13:15
  Speaker 1: It's called, oh, I don't know if I said it.
• 13:16
  Speaker 1: It's called Hair High from 2004. And the only way
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  Speaker 1: to watch this, because it's in my review that you
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  Speaker 1: can read, I was tracking this down and tracking this down.
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  Speaker 1: And eventually I found that it was on ScreenBox. And
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: I was like, cool, I have ScreenBox on Prime. but
• 13:33
  Speaker 1: it was not there when I searched. And I'm like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: what is happening? So I went to YouTube because sometimes
• 13:37
  Speaker 1: people illegally upload things and you can watch it. And
• 13:40
  Speaker 1: then it pulls up hair high with the subscription to,
• 13:43
  Speaker 1: to screen box. And I'm like, are they different? Yes,
• 13:46
  Speaker 1: they're different. Screen box on YouTube and screen box on prime,
• 13:50
  Speaker 1: different things. Oh God, there goes my Coke. Oh God.
• 13:53
  Speaker 1: This is why I shouldn't do hand gestures. Um, They're
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  Speaker 1: different things. So I had to do a free trial
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  Speaker 1: to watch this because I already have screen bucks on.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't realize they were different. It's so like streaming
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  Speaker 1: is so strange these days. And, uh, yeah, it doesn't
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  Speaker 1: make any sense. Like I get it in a sense
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  Speaker 1: because they're separate platforms. Like, so I don't know how
• 14:14
  Speaker 1: you would link those up, but it's, it's like, you
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  Speaker 1: should have the same options between YouTube. And prime because
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  Speaker 1: it's screen box, but I guess they have different options,
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  Speaker 1: different licensing, different, whatever. So I just did the free
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  Speaker 1: trial for a week and watched it. And it genuinely
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  Speaker 1: one of the wildest, most crazy, unpredictable movies I've ever seen.
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  Speaker 1: Five out of five, like no notes. And, uh, I
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: recommend that to anybody just, uh, you know, do your
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: free trial with screen box on YouTube and cancel it
• 14:41
  Speaker 1: or whatever. No big deal. So that was that week.
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: I still need to do this week's, which I'm not
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: sure what it is, but that's fine. I had a
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: director reach out to me and this is funny. So
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: she reached out to me for her second film in
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  Speaker 1: this series. It was called Demon Hunter Time to Kill.
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  Speaker 1: She said, hey, I'm just reaching out because you did
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  Speaker 1: a review for us back on our first movie in
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: 2017 and we really appreciated it and like you to
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: review this one. I was like, so flattered. Thank you.
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: Appreciate it. I did not do that review. I didn't
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  Speaker 1: start the podcast until 2019 and Letterboxd until 2019, so
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: I think you might be confusing me with someone else,
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: but I will gladly watch both movies and review them.
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: This one's going to be tough because there's a lot
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: of things to say about it, and I have to
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: be very diplomatic in the way I say it. Like,
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: I'm not here to shit on somebody's movie. As someone
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: who's just completed their first short film, criticism needs to
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: be done the right way, and it's never my intention
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: to hurt someone's feelings, but they're just... Man, they are
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: interesting movies. So the first one's called Taron Barker, Demon Hunter.
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: And the second one is Demon Hunter, Time to Kill.
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  Speaker 1: And I think just both movies are, they're too big
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: of an idea to put into one movie. These movies,
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  Speaker 1: like the first movie felt like two storylines kind of
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: fighting for dominance in a movie. And then the second one,
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  Speaker 1: they just interject so many things. I mean, they interject...
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  Speaker 1: Or introduce time travel. They introduce a slasher camp. And
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  Speaker 1: mind you, this is a demon hunter lady. So I
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  Speaker 1: don't know.
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  Speaker 3: This is like fucking zero budget style movie too, I assume.
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  Speaker 3: Or minimal.
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  Speaker 1: It's not zero. It's completely self-funded over quite a long time.
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  Speaker 1: And the movies look like they really are having fun
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  Speaker 1: with the lighting. But the acting is a little uneven here.
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  Speaker 1: The camera movements, what was his name? Roger Deacon, I believe,
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  Speaker 1: is a cinematographer. He said something that really stuck with me.
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  Speaker 1: I was watching an interview with him, and he was like,
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: only move the camera when it's absolutely necessary for the shot.
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  Speaker 1: And there were scenes where it's just like the camera's
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  Speaker 1: moving back and forth for no reason. The amount of
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  Speaker 1: cuts that were in this film, it was like cut, cut, cut, cut, cut.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I just think the way it was
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  Speaker 1: compiled together wasn't necessarily the best. The flow wasn't the best.
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  Speaker 1: And again, there was just a lot of elements. Anytime
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  Speaker 1: you introduce time travel into a movie, it's like, all right,
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  Speaker 1: I'm already not going to understand.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you threw that out there too. And my first
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: thought was, that's like top three genres for me is
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: fucking time travel. But as a independent filmmaker, I would
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: never try to make a time travel movie without a
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  Speaker 3: significant budget behind me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, or a very well-versed writer who can make sense
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  Speaker 1: of it, because there's one movie out there, it's called Primer,
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: and it's a very, very low-budget movie. But they are
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: very successful at doing a time travel kind of machine story.
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  Speaker 1: And I know I could never make anything better than
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: that because mine would ultimately be low budget. I'm also
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  Speaker 1: just not smart enough to do a movie with time
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  Speaker 1: travel because I don't understand it. And, I mean, no
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: one really understands it. But I'm not going to try
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: and tackle something that I couldn't make coherent. So, you know,
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: this one's going to be hard to review for social media.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: I gave the first one a two and a half.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: It was a good mix of kind of things that
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: didn't work and things that worked. The second one, though,
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: is just too bogged down in too many things. They
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: introduce all of this lore without really fully developing the
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: first movie's lore, and then they just dump you into
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: this one with this satanic CEO and all. It's just
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: so much. I enjoy them for what they were, but yeah,
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: that's what they were.
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: I did forget, but you brought up being contacted by
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: the director. So the movie Chat, which independent film, but
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: I know Bloody Disgusting was promoting it because I saw
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: an ad on Instagram. Well, the director of that movie
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: reached out to me to give me a screener. It
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: is about a Boy who this family moves into a
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: house and the boy discovers this tablet with AI chat
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: on it. He starts talking to it or whatever. I
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: feel like such a fucking prick. So he reached out
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: to me. He said, hey, would you like to review
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: my movie? I was like, yeah, absolutely. I appreciate directors
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: reaching out to me, especially considering I don't have a huge,
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: you know, I got 5000 followers. That's nothing compared to
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: a lot of people. So, yeah, of course, I'd love
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: to review it. Yeah. I, the movie itself was good.
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: I I'm still like 10 minutes away from finishing it,
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: but it came out September 4th on prime. for rental.
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: And the dude was like, oh, can you get your
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: review out the day that it drops or not shortly after?
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: And yeah, I still haven't done my review for it.
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: And it's mostly just time. So, uh, the director of chat,
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: I'm forgetting your name. If for some reason you're listening
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: to this, I'm sorry. Uh, life is lifing for everyone
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: and your movie's good. Just haven't had a chance to
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: review it.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: Fair enough.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: That's where I'm at. I'm, held up doing these two
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: reviews and I'm like, I have other stuff to get out,
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: but I like doing my reviews in a certain order.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: And then you were one of the first people I
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: thought of too, because when he was like, Oh, would
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: you like to review my movie? I was like, I would.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: And I bet you, my friend would love to interview you,
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: but I didn't want to say anything without checking with
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: you first.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: And no, you're good on your plate. There's just so
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: much shit. Thank you for my towel wife. I just
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: knocked my soda over, so there's soda all over the floor.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: Random cameo from my lovely wife, who is nothing but
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: supporting to me, and always helps me, because I'm struggling
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: with life. I'm going to save the Resident Evil to
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: talk about at the end of this show, inevitably, to
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: fill time, because I don't know if I'm going to
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: be able to fill time, and I'm not going to
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: do what this movie did and just wander around a
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: ship for fucking 30 minutes, so... I say we get
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: into the body count, and then we can talk about
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: Resident Evil at the end, because there's no way we're
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: filling an hour with this. So, like I said, the
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: body count. All right. This.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: Oh, sorry.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: From the corrections department from last episode, we have not
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: done the taking of Deborah Logan. I searched the archives. Apparently,
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: we haven't. Could have sworn we did, but maybe it
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: wasn't the first hundred, like Corey said, and Also, let's see.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: Terrified ended up at number 15 on the Nightmare Index
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: with a 3.71. Right above, we are still here with
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: a 3.69. And right under, let the right one in
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: with a 3.73. Not going to lie, I'm probably going
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: to juke those stats because Terrified is definitely better than
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: let the right one in. I'm just saying. I'm just saying.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: Not Terrifier.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: Well, I know which Terrified you're talking about.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: It's a goddamn masterpiece.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: Same guy who did When Evil Lurks.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: Correct. I cannot get enough of that movie. So, yeah.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: Very good movie. But anyway.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but anyways, this is Death Ship from 1980, released
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: on March 7th of that year. It is rated R.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: And boy, let me tell you how mild this movie is.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Mild sex and nudity. Although, there was a lot of
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: shots of that woman in the blood shower. Moderate violence
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: and gore, mild profanity, mild alcohol, drugs, and smoking, and
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: moderate frightening and intense scenes. Coming in at an hour
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: and 31 minutes, gonna feel a lot longer than that,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: just letting you know. Listed as an adventure horror mystery thriller,
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: directed by Alvin Rakoff. He has 73 credits, but they're
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: all things I've never heard of. We got John Robbins
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: as a writer who only wrote one other movie called
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Hot Resort from 1980. Then we've got Jack Hill. Now,
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: this man's done a lot of notable movies. I know
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: him from The Terror because that's something I reviewed for
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: Film Masters a while back. But he also did Coffee
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: and The Bees, which I also have seen. Then we
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: have David P. Lewis. He only wrote one other thing
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: called City of Fire from 1979, composed by Ivor Slaney.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: 40 credits. Don't know him. Sorry. Cinematography by Rene Verzier.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Edited Rabid, Visiting Hours, and the creature feature that we
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: did of Unknown Origin with Peter Weller. Edited by Mike Campbell.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Probably related to the Campbell's franchise of Supes. He only
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: has eight credits, and I haven't seen anything else. But
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: this is where it gets interesting. Starring George Kennedy as
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Captain Ashland. He was also in Cool Hand Luke as Dragline.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: He was also in the Naked Gun and Airplane movies,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: I believe. Then we have Richard Crenna as Trevor Marshall.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: He was in Rambo 1 through 3, and I know
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: that's not the correct titles. I don't need the sass
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: right now from any of you listening as Trotman, because
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: it's First Blood, then First Blood 2, then Rambo 3. Fuck,
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: I can't keep track. Nick Mancuso as Nick. Love that.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: Easy name to remember. He was also in Under Siege
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: 1 and 2 as Tom Breaker. Sally Ann Howes as
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Margaret Marshall was in Chitty Chitty Bang Bang as Truly Scrumptious.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: And then Kate Reed as Sylvia. She was in The
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: Andromeda Strain as Dr. Ruth Leavitt. Estimated budget of $ 4. 5
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: million Canadian dollars. That's a lot more than I thought
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: it would be. Worldwide box office gross of N.A. Weirdly enough, though,
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: some of it was shot in Quebec, Canada, but it
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: was mostly shot in Mobile, Alabama, and then, you know,
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: the Gulf of Mexico. Big-ass body of water. You can
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: watch it on Prime and Screenbox, movies that came out
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: around the same time. We have The Fog, Cruising, American Gigolo,
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Coal Miner's Daughter, Humanoids from the Deep, and Night. Of
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: the Demon. Night of the Demon is a Sasquatch movie
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: from 1980. IMDb summary. A mysterious ghostly freighter rams a
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: synced modern day cruise ship whose survivors climb aboard the
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: freighter and discover that it is a World War II
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Nazi torture vessel. So there you go. This is the autopsy.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: All right. What do we got? Overall thoughts for Nazi
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: ship or death ship. Whatever the hell it's called.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: This movie has potential.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: That's accurate. It's there.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: That is my overall thought.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Do I....
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: I like this movie.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: The runtime, sure. It drags a little bit. But yeah, overall,
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: this is the type of movie when people say, what
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: movie needs a fucking remake? Bam, right here. And yes...
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: We kind of got it with ghost ship because ghost
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: ship is more based off of this movie than any
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: other ghost ship movie. But from what I've read now.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: I can definitely see taking the inspiration because I mean,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: this one, obviously I don't, you know, the ship and
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: that one doesn't so much appear as they do go
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: chase it down. This, this movie is much more like, uh, fuck.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: What is that one? Not the abyss. Fucking deep, deep rising.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Cause they also go out to like, uh, you know,
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: salvage this ship and get their stuff. And then they
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: run into a whole bunch of creatures. So that one's,
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: I'd say ghost ship is more like deep rising. They
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: just don't have the creatures. They got ghosts. So it's
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: like deep rising and, and death ship met up and
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: had a baby and that baby was ghost ship. Uh, yeah, that's,
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: that's where I'm at, man. I don't know. I don't
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: know what I expected from this. The description gives away
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: so much, and I thought that would help me going
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: into this, but actually, they gave away too much in
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: the IMDb summary, and we will get there. Oh, God, man,
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: this movie.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: You're telling me you won't pick up the 4K from
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: Kino Lorber of this?
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: No, and I'll be selling my Scorpion release because I
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: will never watch this movie again, unfortunately. It was so...
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: I fell asleep at about the hour and five minute
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: mark when I was watching this. Woke up and everyone
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: was being rescued and I was like, all right, now
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: I got to go back and waste more time.
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: Funny enough, I also fell asleep when watching this the
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: first time. the wife was already asleep next to me
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: in bed and I was just like you know what
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: this has been on my radar forever and it might
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: have been around the same time stamp that I also
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: started to doze off and was like okay time to
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: rewind and see what I just missed.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah so this movie opens and so this isn't even
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: really just a critique on this movie it's any movie
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: where a foreign language is being spoken and it's like
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: you know, man speaking German. In this instance, it was
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: man shouting in German. And I'm like, no fucking shit.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Can we know what they're saying? Like, why are you
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: hiding what they're saying from us? Like, I want to
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: know what they're saying. But it might have been the
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: best way to kick this movie off because there are
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: definitely plenty of things happening. And I spent a lot
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: of the runtime wondering what the hell this movie was
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: actually trying to do. Because on paper, it should be
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: right up my alley. You got the abandoned ship. You've
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: got this mysterious supernatural presence. You have a bunch of
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: people trapped at sea, like check, check, check. And then
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: you eventually discover that the Nazi death ship is apparently
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: alive and needs human blood. Like that's a solid horror premise.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: So why did I spend so much of this movie
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: looking at the clock? That's what we're here to talk about. Uh,
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: weirdly enough. So what did you think? Well, there's not
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: really much of a cold open. It kind of opened
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: similarly to go ship. Like people are, out there dancing
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: and doing stuff, but then they collide with the ship
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: rather than the, I mean, ghost ship clearly has a
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: way better intro. I mean, there's no denying that, right?
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: Hold open of like the last 20 fucking years. Let's
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: be real.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: I don't think anything has really topped that cold open
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: if I'm being honest. Uh, so you, there's a parallel
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: right between this movie and terrified funny enough, because there were,
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: there was a guy in that movie, uh, who was
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: just about to retire. and be done with his life
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: as a cop. And in this movie, we have Captain Ashland,
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: who's also about to retire. He's on his last cruise ever,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: and they're taking the ship away from him because he's
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: a crotchety old curmudgeon and doesn't really work well with others.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: Great setup. It's like, you know, both of these guys
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: in these movies were supposed to be at the, like,
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: finishing their final chapter of a series of their life
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: to just be thrust into hell. You know, for Funes,
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: it was all the ghostly shit. And for this guy,
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: it was some sort of possession from the ship?
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: Possession, yeah.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: There you go.
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: Which I like that aspect of the movie.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: I like that aspect of the movie. And I like
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: that the ship needs to eat. Because there's a movie where...
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: house has to eat or you have to like feed
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: the house was that we are still here right wasn't
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: that we are still here you had to like feed.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah essentially feeding the house yeah yeah.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah i mean it was more about the feeding them
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: bodies or just giving them people to murder it wasn't
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: necessarily the blood but i really did like that aspect
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: and it honestly makes the poster make a lot more
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: sense but it wasn't what I was expecting because we
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: don't see any ghosts. I, so I don't even know
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: if this is technically like a ghost movie. It's more supernatural,
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: which are, you know, those are kind of on the
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: same plane, if you will, but there were no ghosts.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: So I didn't expect that. It was much more of
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: a possession of Captain Ashland who was going around just
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: murking the shit out of all these people. So is
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: that like, I don't know what, I guess, what were
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: you kind of, what did you want from this movie
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: when you put it on? Because I thought we were
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: going to get some ghostly Nazis doing Nazi things. And
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: then they were all going to get kicked in the
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: dick and, you know, die off. But they, they kind
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: of still win in the end, you know, like they,
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: they just sail off into the fucking night. They're, they're
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: still there. So I'm like, all right, are we promoting
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: Nazis in this movie?
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: But what did you want from this movie?
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: This is one of those movies where the poster is iconic.
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: I've been seeing it for years. So the first time
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: I ever watched it, I kind of went into it
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: with not a whole lot of X, but I guess
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: I essentially expected a cheesy eighties ghost ship movie.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: That's what I wanted. Yeah.
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: Ghost ship meaning, you know, the two thousands, like I
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: thought that it was going to be a little bit
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: more similar to that. Knew that obviously the budget wasn't,
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: but like, this is just like one of those it's,
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: you know, like every other eighties poster where they dragged
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: you in with the artwork more than the plot line.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: It gave me an idea, honestly, and I'll never have
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: time to do this, but if I ever transition away
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: from Frightmares and kind of start over again or something
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: like that, I thought it would be fun to. All right. Well,
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: I'm going to fucking edit that out or bleep it out.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: And that'll be my idea.
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: To keep registered trademark.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, I guess I was just expecting something a
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: little bit different. And it's entirely possible I do try
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: this again because, you know, sometimes when you go into
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: a movie expecting something and you don't get that, you're
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: ultimately dissatisfied. And then if you go back and try
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: it again, knowing what you're getting, you can start to
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: appreciate the things that you missed because you were too
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: busy paying attention to the things that you wanted to happen.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: So maybe I will rewatch it, you know.
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: I think it's worth a rewatch for you someday because
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: that's kind of how I felt watching it for the
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: first time. Like, oh, this didn't have any of the
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: aspects that I wanted, but then, like, the more I
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: sat on it, like, the idea of the ship possessing him,
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: it was a really cool concept, and there were great
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: shots in this movie, but it was a lot of, like, oh,
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: we're here. We're trying to figure out what's going on.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: Lollygagging. Everyone's just fucking meandering around. Yeah, like, because the
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: first 30 minutes are truly uninteresting. Once they get on
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: the ship and start going around, sure. But really, things
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: don't start popping off until about an hour and five
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: minutes in. And you're like, okay, we got... I mean,
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: with credits, we got 25 minutes left if we're lucky.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: But I think there is something kind of inherently tragic
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: about a character who's supposed to be closing one chapter
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: of his life only to become trapped in something else
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: he can't escape. I mean, I know... Uh, he dies,
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: I think, or no, no, he comes back to life
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: and starts shooting people. So maybe he does survive and
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: maybe he's trapped there, but you know, like Ashland has
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: this connection and, uh, to the ship, which completely changes
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: who he is, but we were getting, I don't want
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: to get too far ahead of ourselves because there are some,
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: so many points I wanted to talk about. This is
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: going to be a lot of me noticing things and
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: being like, what the fuck was that? Cause, uh, the
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: con not continuity, but, There were a lot of shots
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: where I was like, that was silly. Like there was
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: one shot of a window opening and you could see
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: the guy push the, you could see the arm of
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: the guy that pushed the window out. And I was like, okay,
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: so this is what we're, this is the quality of
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: stuff we're dealing with. But when the two ships collide,
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: I paused it because there's a cutaway to an explosion.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: I swear to God, it's a whole-ass building next to it.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: Maybe you can confirm. I'll DM you the picture on Facebook.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: You let me know what you see, because I 100%
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: see a straight-up regular building on the left-hand side. Is
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: that a building to you? Or is that part of
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: the ship? It looks like a building.
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: Looks like a building, but it also... It could be
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: part of the ship. I don't know. I think it's
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: supposed to be part of the ship.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: Okay. Hey, look.
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: Come on, man. When this movie came out, you weren't
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: pausing it and having good fucking... No.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: No one noticed that back in 1980. Even if.
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: I love that sometimes like pausing a movie and being
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: able to like read stuff that you were never supposed
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: to be able to read or see things that like,
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: because you got to think, even if somebody had this
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: on the, on like a VHS, if they paused it,
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: it would have been too blurry to see anything.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: A hundred percent. And I just, I, I thought I
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: was like, okay, what did I just see? And I
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: rewound it. And, and, uh, went frame by frame. And
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: I was like, is that a whole ass building? Like,
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: you know, I should, my immediate reaction to a ship
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: collision shouldn't be, why is there architecture that looks like
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: we're next to a building, uh, I don't think that's
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: the reaction they were going for. And then there's another one,
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: which is really great, too, where the ship is filling
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: with water. They're underneath the ship, and I guess the
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: bow or whatever the lower deck of the ship is
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: filling up with water. And then we literally cut straight
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: to it, just the butt of it going into the water.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, we're just fully sunk now.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: I thought we were just taking water. because the guys
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: were like, let's get out of here, let's get out
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: of here, and they go run up, and then it's like,
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: I guess too late, because it just sank. It's almost
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: like they were sitting there thinking, we've got a ship
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: to sink. Do we have footage of the ship sinking? No,
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: but we do have footage of the back of the
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: boat going underwater. Good enough, let's just use that. There
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: definitely was some, there had to be some problems with
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: shooting this movie and not getting the coverage that they needed,
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: because there were a lot of questionable comments cuts to
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: other things and i was like the production value on
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: this is very strange and i know it's 1980 but
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: i mean come on kubrick came out with the shining
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: in 1980 i mean i'm not saying you have to
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: make a kubrick level film but my point remains.
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: Well i can only assume this must have been considered independent.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: I guess so i mean with a budget of like 3.5
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: million uh cad i think There's, you know, their money
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: is more. So that would probably be like around 3 million, 2.5
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: ish for, for us. Cause I know their exchange rate
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: is better, I believe. So, but then we, we know
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: we do get to death ship, you know, the survivors
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: discover because the, the crash was fucking crazy. Like they
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: had so much time to avoid that ship and they
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: still managed to plow right into it or at least
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: the side of it. And, um, it was the, it
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: was the most underwhelming crash. I wasn't expecting Titanic level
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: 45 minute sinking, but I mean, at least we did
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: get like the movie got like right into that part
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: of the movie. We're doing third act of Titanic, but
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: then it's all downhill from here. Cause that was kind
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: of the most exciting thing until the blood shower about
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: an hour in. And I don't even know how these
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: people survived because the boat was underwater already. I guess
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: they jumped off or something, got a little dingy. They
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: get on, you know, they get on the death ship,
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: which is a really cool ship. it's decrepit, it's old,
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: it's rusty. Like I love the look of the ship.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: What did you feel about it?
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, no, that was like the aesthetic of the
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: ship was like half the charm of the movie. Like
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: with how boring it was, it helped keep like the, Oh,
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: maybe something spooky is actually going to happen. Feel going.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Uh, and cause you don't know where this,
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: this abandoned ship came from. It's just sitting there, you know,
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: it's just hanging around and you have no idea what's
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: waiting for you. And that's a fantastic setup. Cause like
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: death ship is just, but it's just has a pacing
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: problem because there's so much wandering and the first 30,
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: 45 minutes, people are just walking around. investigating rooms, seeing things,
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: doing stuff. They didn't even.
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: Have one character kind of disappears for them to be like, oh,
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: where'd they go?
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. They didn't even lean into some of the tropes,
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: which I guess I could commend them for not doing that,
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: but also at the same time, you figure someone's going
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: to fuck off somewhere, and they're like, oh, where did
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: such and such go? Also, I literally know Captain Ashland,
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: and that's it. I didn't catch a single other name.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: They probably said them, but didn't catch them. So they're
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: going to be referred to thing one, thing two. That's
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: where I'm going to go. But eventually the movie does
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: something spooky. And it's like, because it's like, hey, remember,
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: this is Death Ship. And it strings that one guy up.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: And I thought. It was going to pick him up
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: and just yeet him into the ocean. But then I
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: was like, well, he could just swim back and get on,
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: you know, get on board. But it takes him overboard,
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: like dunks him in the water. And I was like,
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: oh shit, he's going to hang, like it's going to
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: hang him upside down in the water. And he's going to,
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: you know, drown because trying to use your upper body strength,
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: it's not going to work. But then the ship pulls
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: him back up. And I'm like, oh, okay. And then
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: drops him in and then turns on the engines and
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: then sucks him into the propeller. The people in this
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: movie had the worst survival skills I have ever seen.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: Like no one, I get it. It's a tense situation,
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: but like no one seemed to have any common sense
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: because when that guy is trying to get back up
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: on the ladder, he makes contact with it and then
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: let's go. And I was like, but you had it, bro.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: It's like, what are we, what are we doing here?
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: It was right there.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: It's like, these people were just fucking useless. And so, yeah,
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: when I saw that, I wasn't, my reaction wasn't, oh,
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: I'm scared. It was like, oh, yay, something's happening, finally.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: And that's really not where you want the audience at,
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: in my opinion. You should be like, yeah, you should
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: be like, oh, shit, this is spooky. But I was like, yay, things, stuff. Yeah,
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: and then someone, one of the older ladies, not older,
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: I just say adults. she finds that record player that's
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: just on for no apparent reason, just to be creepy.
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: And the thing I love about this the best is
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: that The, you know, these Nazis that are, we don't,
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: they reveal that shit as like a surprise, but the
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: Nazis are listening to jazz. And to me, that's hilarious.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: Cause it's like, there's no way these angry yelling, just
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: genocidal fucking people are listening to jazz. They're listening to
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: the Imperial March or no, there's no way. I thought
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: it was funny. Maybe they do listen to jazz. Maybe
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: that's what kind of mellows them out. I don't know.
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: I was going to say, there might be something there
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: with that.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: It just was so funny that they were listening to jazz. And, yeah,
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: it's just like, also, what is there, a ghost DJ?
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: Does Death Ship have a Spotify account? Like, now playing
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: Nazi Atrocities followed by Smooth Jazz. The fuck's going on here?
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: Just silly little things. And then the record player, she
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: stops playing it, and then it starts playing again, and
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: she's walking up the stairs. She hears it, makes a
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: great decision, though. I'm going to continue on. Good for you, girl.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: Good for you. I was like, you know what? I
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: like that, because don't go back. It's clearly some spooky shit.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: And obviously, we know that since there are Nazis, well,
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: not really on board. I guess they're just kind of possessing.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: I think the spirits were more just like unseen spirits.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: Because shit was definitely happening on its own. There just wasn't, like,
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: an actual manifestation of anything. Because levers are moving. Doors
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: are opening. All of this stuff. And, you know, so, like,
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: I just guess they just weren't.
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: Fuck, I don't know.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: We didn't see any ghosts. I thought we were at
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: some point, but we don't. And, of course, since they're Nazis,
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: you know, obviously they're involved with Hitler. And they find
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: a magazine. And, like, oh, this one's about Hitler. And
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: the kid's like, who's Hitler? And she just refers to
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: him as a very unpleasant man. Like, the most wild
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: understatement of the year. Like, could you imagine leaving, like,
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: describing some of history's most notorious monsters like you're leaving
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: a Yelp review? Like, Hitler, yeah, wouldn't recommend. Very unpleasant.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: It's like calling the shark from Jaws a somewhat aggressive fish. Like, no,
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: that man was horrible. Let's be straightforward here. Very unpleasant,
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: dramatic understatement.
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: It's about to get political and then decided I'd back up.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard not to, you know? But I'm like,
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: let me just leave that at the door. So, like,
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: I understand the dialogue isn't turning. It's trying to turn
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: this into a historical lecture, but phrasing it that way
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: was just so hilarious. This is such a weird way
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: to talk about this movie. I'm just going through, like,
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: the most random points I know. I'm kind of jumping
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: all over the place. So if there's anything, if there's anything,
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's kind of how the movie felt. So
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: I feel like that's, yeah, I've been lately, I've been
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: trying to capture the vibe of the movie and, and
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: talk about it that way. So I don't know if
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: it's working, but we'll see. Um, it does your release
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: of this movie look like my release is pretty decent.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: They had like 45 hours of, uh, rest color restoration
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: to it. So it looks pretty good. Honestly, like it's
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: not bad.
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: What does your cover look like? Just out of curiosity.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: Like that.
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: Is it this one? Okay, because there is a release
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: out there, and I can't remember who put it out,
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: but the fucking artwork on it, dude, the artwork's 5.5
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: over the movie. Like, you made this movie look better
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: than it was.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: Jesus Christ. Yeah, so... Anyway, sorry, sidetrack on that. No,
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: always feel free to tangent. But, you know, the movie
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: takes an interesting turn because the ship... It's not the
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: ship randomly killing people. The ship is calling to Ashlyn...
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: Captain Ashland. And there's this weird supernatural connection kind of
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: forming between them. And he's the one that starts taking
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: people out because, well, we don't know at first. And
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: I started wondering what exactly does the ship want? Is
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: he possessed, manipulated? Is there, is he like tied to
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: the Germans somehow? Or like, I don't know, but he's
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: kind of just another victim at the same time because
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: he's becoming part of the mechanics of the ship. And
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: that's when we, realize that there's the Nazi reveal, which
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: is not a reveal because it's in the summary. Like
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: when they break into that room and you see all
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: the Nazi memorabilia and a painting of Hitler and then
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: there's like archive footage of him playing, you're like, yeah.
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: But when this movie was released, was the plot synopsis
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: the same?
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's exactly what I was getting at. I don't
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: know how similar it was. In 1980, because obviously IMDb
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: was not around in 1980, so.
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: I also just looked it up, and this movie was
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: released mostly in Canada, a whopping 250 theaters in the
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: United States.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: But I mean, for the 80s, that might have been decent?
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Because that was 46 years ago at
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: this point, so that might have been decent. So... The
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: supernatural hook, though, here is, again, that I've mentioned. The
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: ship needs blood, and that is the most interesting aspect
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: of this movie, because just like we are still here,
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: it's not necessarily blood. They just require some sort of, like,
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: a sacrifice or whatever. So I love that. Like, this
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: house needs a family to eat them. This ship needs
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: blood to pump its motor? Like, is it using the
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: blood as oil and grease, maybe? I don't know.
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's exactly what it is. It's what keeps it going, man.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: So yeah, you're not really dealing with a haunted vessel
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: so much as you're dealing... It's almost like... Have you
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: seen Nope? I don't want to spoil anything.
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: I have not, no.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: Okay, then I won't spoil anything. But people who have
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: seen that movie know exactly what I'm talking about. You know,
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: this thing needs to feed. Ashland is essentially becoming a debaucher.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: And that's another tragic part of his story. Because again,
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: this is supposed to be his final cruise. He's supposed
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: to be retiring. And now the ship takes him... And
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: turns him into an extension of itself. I guess because
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: he's already a captain. Maybe that's how the ship kind
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: of called out to him. And that's like genuinely fucked up.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: Because he's supposed to be protecting everybody on board as
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: the captain. And instead he's murderating everybody on board. What
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: are you doing here? And that's kind of why I
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: wish the movie spent more time exploring this. Instead, we're
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: frequently back to let's go down another hallway. Let's have
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: a jarring intermix of cuttings of random things. The editing
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: in this movie, not a fan of. Also, the Foley
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: slash ADR of the footsteps was driving me crazy. The
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: footsteps were so loud. I was like, oh my goodness.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: I also think I'm noticing more things after doing that
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: little short because I have to, you know, adjusting levels
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: is like so hard. So now I'm noticing when ADR
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: is excessively loud. Something that is a complete tangent from this.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: This was just the most weird scene. And I'm wondering
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: if you'll agree with me. So one woman dies on board.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: Ashlyn says it's a seizure. But of course he strangled
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: her to death.
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: And.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: I'm just, I'm not really questioning the logic of getting
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: rid of the body. They just throw her into the ocean,
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: but it's like dies immediately has funeral. Like you don't
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: want to just like hang on to her in case
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: you guys get rescued. You could give her a proper
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: burial or I don't know, do some, no, just straight
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: into the ocean. I was like, okay, all right. I
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: guess enjoy your life at sea. Uh, like give yourselves
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: a minute. There's like some emotional weight there, which brings
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: up my next problem is like, there's, situations that should
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: have significantly more emotional weight, but then it just moves on.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: I'm like, alright, next. So, I don't know.
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: How do you have a movie that goes so quick,
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: but goes so fucking slow?
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying! The pacing of this movie is crazy!
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: And then I have to talk about the kids, because
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: if you're gonna have kids in your movie, and that's fine,
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: give them a reason to be there. These kids just
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: fucking exist. And then they get brought to a Nazi
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: torture war vessel. They don't need to be there. They
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: were completely unnecessary to the story. But at least they
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: weren't annoying. I didn't find them annoying. They were kids.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: And they were doing kid things. But ultimately, yeah, y'all
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: didn't need to be there. Uh, it was just kind of, uh,
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I didn't have any emotional attachment to
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: them and was kind of hoping that the ship would,
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: you know, them because fuck them kids. That's just how
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: I am with horror movies. Not with any real life shit.
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: Like I love my daughter and my daughter is an angel, but, uh,
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: in horror movies, it's like, fuck those. And it's usually,
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: it's usually the annoying kids that I'm like, yeah, those
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: kids can go. Keep the cool ones, but I don't know.
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: They never kill the kids though. It's so rare. It's very, well, yeah,
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: especially in like the eighties and stuff like that. It
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: was definitely very rare.
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: Oh my God.
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: Nowadays it's a little bit more like the dude who
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: directed when evil lurks must fucking hate kids. Cause he
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: kills kids in every single fucking movie he does.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: Exactly what I said on the last episode. I was like, yo,
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: I was like, Damien Rugna must hate children between the
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: dog scene and that kid getting plowed by a truck.
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: Like what is, and then the kid coming back from the,
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: you know, the dead essentially. I'm like, you must hate kids, man.
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: Like it's one thing for a kid to be like,
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: you know, the kids in cooties.
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: They die, but they, they are not evil children. They're
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: only evil because they ate the fucking chicken nuggets.
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry. I forgot his name already, but like, yeah,
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: the truck part and terrified dude. I was just like,
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: Holy kid didn't deserve that. This guy just fucking hates kids.
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah. This guy just hates kids, man. But yeah, if
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: you're going to introduce children into a horror story, there
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: should be some reason for their presence to change the
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: situation that everyone's in.
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: But, um, So they didn't really make them the heroes or,
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: you know, something.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Something.
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: It's almost like it was free labor to have more
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: actors in this movie.
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: Right. Because there were definitely no child labor laws back
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: in 1980.
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: We got George Kennedy and he was the budget for
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: this movie because.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: I feel like he was definitely a big part of
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: that budget. That's for sure. So the kids kind of
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: not suck, but they're not great. But honestly, like I
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: mentioned before, everyone kind of sucks just at basic survival instincts.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: They're all kind of just sorry excuses for human beings.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: I guess they're wimpy, for lack of a better term.
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: No one seems particularly capable. There's not really anybody taking charge,
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: except for the one guy I can't remember who tries
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: to kind of take over the ship, but Ashlyn's like, no,
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to let that happen. They just don't
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: seem to have survival, like basic survival instincts from someone,
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: especially from people who realize that they're being trapped aboard
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: a supernatural murder ship. They just kind of wander.
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: And that's what's their crew from a ship. So you
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: should have basic something at least had a survive on
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: the water. Yeah.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: Because the survival horror works best when characters are forced
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: to make those difficult decisions and every stupid decision can
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: be entertaining, you know, because they're at least decisions. But
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: here it just felt like they were waiting for the
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: screenplay to tell them what to do. And when your
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: audience starts yelling, don't go in there. Before the characters
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: have even touched the door, you know the movie isn't
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: really making them look too friggin' brilliant. Some highlights, though.
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: The blood shower was really cool. I enjoyed that. Very
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: reminiscent of... Well, I guess this movie would come out later.
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: In fact, there was another movie with a blood shower.
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: I can't remember. But that was fun.
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: Having the blood pool in Ghost Ship is.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: Oh, maybe that's what it was. Yeah, that was really cool.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: But it's really funny because she's in like a little,
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, like three by three box
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: with the door. And at one point when they're doing
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: the overhead, you can just see it's a full box
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: and someone just like has like a hose like with
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: like a shower head over it. There was just so
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: many weird, very low budget moves they did in this
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: movie for having a few million, which just felt kind
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: of crazy in my opinion. So, but that happens an
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: hour in too. And at this point I'm like.
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: I'm bored.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: I need something to happen. And then the next 15
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: to 20 minutes feels so rushed because so much happens
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: between it. Cause that happens at an hour five ish.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: And then between an hour and five and an hour 25,
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: cause the movie is like an hour 30. So much
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: shit happens. Like all the things happen. Ashlyn gets killed
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: because he says the ship needs blood, so he gets stabbed,
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: but then comes back to life and starts shooting people,
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: and it's just like chaos is erupting in this ship.
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: And I wouldn't even call this really a slow burn
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: horror movie because the slow burn horror movies are supposed
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: to make you uncomfortable slowly and slowly and slowly over
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: time before getting that third act reveal descending into madness.
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: And this just feels like I'm waiting for the movie
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: to happen, you know? Like, Just kind of waiting for
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: the next thing. I mean, there were some cool aspects,
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: but overall I'm like, man, I just, I guess I
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: just wanted a little more ump to this movie, but
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: how do you feel about that?
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: Oh no, I agree. Totally. It's the, the movie doesn't
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: have the atmosphere that I think they thought it had
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: while making it. They thought that it was a lot.
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: I mean, slow burn wasn't probably a term that anybody
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: used then. Um, but that's, I, I do agree. I
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: think that's what they were going for. And it just,
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: it didn't hit the mark because there isn't enough red
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: leading up to finding out that, oh, he's possessed by
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: the ship or by the ghost of a Nazi or
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: Hitler or whatever the fuck it is. And yeah, so
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: I think you can, you can tell that that's what
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: they were going for watching it.
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: Right. It just didn't fully, it didn't fully land. Uh,
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: you do get some crazy shit. Like I said, like
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: I said, they reveal at an hour and nine minutes
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: that this is a Nazi torture ship. And I'm like, okay,
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: that was in the summary, but we don't know if
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: that's how it was originally intended. But then, but then
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: Hitler makes an appearance. Like I mentioned as well, I
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: was like, oh great. Now we're just including this guy
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: in the movie. I don't know why we need that. Uh,
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: and it's like, There's another instance of just electronics on
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: for no reason. There is the projector playing archive footage
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: of him. You know, and I'm like, okay. My favorite
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: part about that scene though, was when that guy rips
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: down the screen full, like fully. And then they cut
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: to another shot where he rips it down again and
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: then stands in front of the, like, he's like, oh
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: my God, it's still playing.
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: There's a white wall behind the white projector screen. What
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: do you think was going to happen to you? You
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: got to stop the film. Like, what are you doing? Uh,
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: and then he eventually turns around freaking out. It's like
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: playing on his chest. Like that, that was fun. but
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: I definitely think they needed to lean more into the
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: ship needing blood, Ashlyn feeding it more. It kind of gives,
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: that gives us the entire story kind of this different
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: dimension to it. It's not a haunted location. Like it's
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: a predator in a sense. And it's being run by
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: supernatural forces that kind of possess Ashlyn to help them
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: feed the ship. Because unlike ghost ship, which is, a
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: stagnant move. It doesn't, it doesn't move. It's just stagnant
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: in the ocean and it's floating. And it's also sinking
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: in that movie. But in this movie, uh, this one
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: moves around because they find that chart, uh, of, of like, Oh, this,
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: this thing's just going around the entire Atlantic. That's strange,
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: which I don't know why they would have that map after,
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: you know, cause that, that I assume that would have
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: happened after everyone died. Like, I don't even know what
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: happened on this shit. Like it's a Nazi torture ship. Sure. Uh,
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: But where the fuck did everybody go? They don't even
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: explain that part. There's a lot of people in the freezer,
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: but I don't know if those are necessarily the Nazis.
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: It's very strange. But I think they should have explored
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: things a little bit differently and kind of make Ashland
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: the bridge between those two things a little bit stronger.
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: This is definitely going on my list of movies I
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: want to redo. I have like five so far. So
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: final thoughts for me. I do like the premise more
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: than the movie. You know, the mysterious ship, group of survivors,
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: supernatural presence, and a captain slowly being corrupted. It's this
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: thing that requires blood. You can absolutely build a nasty, like,
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: maritime nightmare out of there. And there are moments where
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: we are reminded of the potential of what this movie
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: could have been. Like, all of the things I mentioned. Like,
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: even the ship itself is just inherently creepy. But the
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: movie's just too damn slow. And the pacing is kind
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: of all over the place. Uh, by the time stuff
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: starts happening, I'm really not interested in what's happening. And it's,
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: it's just, it doesn't hit. It just doesn't really hit
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: like I wanted it to. Cause by the end I
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: was like, I should be thinking, you know, holy shit,
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: what a terrifying journey. But I was thinking like, all right,
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: well we made it back to shore or they made
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: it back to, you know, the helicopter, I guess, but
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: it's not totally without merit. I just feel there was,
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: you know, it, I don't know how low budget that
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: is for Canada, but I'm assuming the budget wasn't the best,
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: especially given the location of like being on a ship.
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: I don't, I don't know how much that costs. I
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: have no fucking clue. So I don't know. What are
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: your kind of final thoughts here for a death ship?
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: Cause we did manage to fill an hour, which I'm,
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: I'm very surprised.
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: Ooh. Yeah. Well, maybe because I went on so many tangents. Uh,
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: I'm pretty much, I'm pretty much in the same boat
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: with you.
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: Like you said, like you're, you're going along, you're waiting
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: for something to happen. When something finally happens, you're like,
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: Oh good. Maybe it's the third act and it's about
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: to end I don't even I just checked my letterboxes
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: like oh what did I rate this at and I
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: never remembered to rate it so I couldn't even go
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: off that for the first time it's like I said
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: I personally think that like without any whatever like this
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: this could be give it to somebody who can write
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: a good movie And this needs a fucking remake because
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: the premise is strong. It's cool. If you didn't give
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: it away in the IMDb synopsis, you know, you can
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: have a cool movie where people are like, whoa, I
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: didn't expect the ship to be possessing people.
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I 100% agree. So here are really quickly, I'm
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: going to rattle off five ship horror movies I think
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: you should watch instead. First, I'm going to go from
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: best to worst. So the first up is Triangle. If
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: you're looking for a shit movie that actually knows how
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: to build mystery and psychological dread and involve time being
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: fucked with, Triangle makes the trapped at sea concept and
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: turns it into something much more sinister. The last Voyage
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: of the Demeter, it's Dracula on a ship, essentially, and
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: it's so much more close to the atmospheric maritime horror
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: I wanted from Death Ship. Of course, Ghost Ship, me
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: and you, that was the first episode you were ever on,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: on the podcast. And that's why I was like, well,
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: we got to do Death Ship together. Everyone knows about
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: that movie. Deep Rising, you know, sometimes you don't need
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: complicated mythology. Sometimes you just need to put giant fucking
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: sea monsters on a cruise ship. Let everybody enjoy Problem Solved.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: And this one, it's going to throw people off. But
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: Jason Takes Manhattan.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: Thank you. Fucking one of my favorite Fridays. And by
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: the way, I really need to rewatch triangle because people
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: love that movie. And I fucking hated it when I
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: watched it.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: Have you seen it?
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: You put it.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: Have you seen it one time?
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: I have seen it one time.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: Definitely rewatch because, uh, the more that's one of those
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: films where like the more you watch it, the more
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: you notice the kind of time element. Cause they, they
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: bring this element of time and like, Yeah, I don't
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: want to get too into it, but yeah, definitely try
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: that one again because it, yeah.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember it making zero sense, so.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: Oh, good. Okay. But yeah, if you're confused about Jason
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: Takes Manhattan, well, most of the runtime takes place on
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: a boat. We get about 12 minutes in actual Manhattan.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: So if we're counting Death Ship, we're clearly not enforcing
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: strict marine jurisdiction here. And honestly, Jason takes Manhattan, gets
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: off the boat more often, then Death Ship gets interesting.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: So I will just see myself out with that. Let's
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: go into the final cut. Taglines, a couple here. What
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: in the living hell is on board? That's fun. Those
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: who survived the ghost ship are better off dead. Okay, well,
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: that's the wrong movie. Out of a sea of endless
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: terror into a world of eternal damnation. It's not just
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: a ship, it's a killing machine! Trivia! When the crew
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: of the ocean liner picks up the echo of the
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: approaching ghost ship on their radar, the close-up of the
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: radar's imagery is a reverse image of the clip of
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: the fog-covered Skull Island taken from King Kong in 1972.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: Interesting.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: As the death ship collides with the cruiser liner, brief
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: scenes of an explosion, a grand piano falling between decks,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: and the engine room flooding were cut in. These scenes
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: were from the last voyage. Ah! Aha! The explosion scene.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: I missed that when I was putting it in. There
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: we go. So those were taken from another movie. The
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: footage showing the movement of the death ship was resulting
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: of filming from a small boat moving around it. The
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: crew shot for about an hour before the death ship
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: broke down. The rest of the required shots were achieved
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: by faking movement as the water broken down vessel was
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: anchored and stationary. Goofs, nothing I can find of value.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: This is where it gets rough. Rated 4.8 out of
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: 10 on IMDb, which equivalents to a 2.4 out of
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: 5 on the Nightmare Index scale. 2.53 aggregate score on Letterboxd,
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: 33% Tomatometer, and 33% audience score. On the same page,
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: what did you give this movie?
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: Two.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: I also gave it a two. So that gives us
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: a nightmare index of, oh, that's rough, 2.22. And that
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: is going to fall. Oh, that's down there. Okay, good.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: It's above the things it should be above. So it's
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: right above. So I'll just read from the bottom of
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: the list. Monster Seafood Wars, 1.88. Werewolves on Wheels, 1.95.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: Gamera vs.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: Veras, 2.14. This movie, 2.22. And then Contamination at a 2.43.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: That is exactly where I want that movie. Similar movies
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: according to Letterboxd, we have Terror Train, Kingdom of the Spiders,
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: The Prey, Macabre, and The Unseen. Similar movies according to Letterboxd,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: Ghost Ship, of course, The Fog, House on Haunted Hill, Shockwaves,
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: and The Fog 2005. I don't have any.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: If it were The Fog 2005, I would watch every
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: single one of those movies before I watch this again.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: The Fog from 2005 is right... It's actually shittier than
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: Death Ship, so... That one's really bad. That is one
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: of the worst remakes of all time.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: I agree with that. I don't have many reviews, but
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: I have a couple. Everyone was either writing dissertations or
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: they just weren't funny, so I have three, I think.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: If you don't have any, that's fine, because... I don't
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: want to spend a lot of time on this anyway.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: Did you happen to find any? No, I didn't even look. No,
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: you're good. Three stars from Horror Syndrome. I think we
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: could all use a nice hot blood shower. It really
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: exfoliates the skin. I always fuck up the punchline. I'm
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: only reading the first sentence of this because he wrote
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: a dissertation. One and a half stars from Nixon. Death ship?
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: More like death. Shit. But he also gave it a heart.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: So I don't know where that is. Three and a
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: half stars. Yeah. Three and a half stars from Andrew.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: I'm upping this half a star for George Kennedy. Would
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: have loved to have a drink with this guy. If a,
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: he wasn't dead and B I wasn't a raging alcohol.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: God damn. And then this is crazy shit. 35 millimeter films,
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: five stars and a heart much better than ghost ship.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: That's for sure. Disagree. Disagree. Like, it's fine. It's your opinion.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: You are entitled to your wrong opinion. No, I'm just kidding.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: I don't care. If you enjoy this more than Ghost Ship,
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: then hey, this movie worked clearly more for you than
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: it did for me. Derek, where can everybody find you
• 1:06:07
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• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: Oh, you can find me on TikTok as HFK's Movie House.
• 1:06:14
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• 1:06:18
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• 1:06:21
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• 1:06:24
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• 1:06:26
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• 1:06:28
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• 1:06:32
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• 1:06:35
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• 1:06:41
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• 1:06:55
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• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: next episode on the YouTube is going to be, I
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: believe it's going to be our director interview with the
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: guys from Gothic Slayers. And then it should be Resident Evil.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: And the next month we're doing, Oh, and then Jason
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: and I have a Halloween special. That'll be out where
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: we recommend 13 kid friendly, kind of like gateway horror movies.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: So go check, go check all of those out. Uh,
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: but next week slash next month, uh, it starts warlock
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: Tober's hex. And I know witches aren't warlocks, but, Fucking
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: give me a break. That's the best pun I could
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: come up with. And we've got a great lineup for
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: next month. We're doing the love, which we're doing. I've
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: already forgotten. I think superstition is one of them. We
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: got a lot of good stuff. And then the covenant,
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: which Corey picked, that's going to be a fun one.
• 1:07:57
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• 1:08:00
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• 1:08:06
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