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Rich Kid Mows Down 4 Pepperdine Sorority Sisters, Hires Karen Read Lawyer · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A rich bratt mows down
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Speaker 1: Mo's down four beautiful Pepperdine sorority sisters. In the last hours,
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Speaker 1: we learned he hires the Karen Reid defense lawyer. I'm
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to thank
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Speaker 1: you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: Four beautiful young college sorority girls in their early twenties
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Speaker 2: with bright futures set out for a fun night in Malibu,
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Speaker 2: but in a shocking turn of events, that evening soon
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Speaker 2: became a nightmare.
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Speaker 1: Joining us tonight in addition to an all star panel
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Speaker 1: are two dear friends of the victims. But first listen
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Speaker 1: to this, these four.
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Speaker 3: Females were pronounced dead.
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Speaker 4: I see the Alpha FI sisters arrived at Sigma Kaye's
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Speaker 4: party and are waiting outside when a red BMW speeding
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Speaker 4: down the pch going at least one hundred miles per
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Speaker 4: hour suddenly swears from the road and slams into parked cars.
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Speaker 4: Partygoers scream as the parked cars are shoved into Nave, Peyton, Asha,
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Speaker 4: and Deslin, while bystanders call nine to one one and
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Speaker 4: attend to two others injured in the crash. The BMW's
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Speaker 4: driver gets out stumbling away from the mingled cars.
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Speaker 1: So don't bother telling me he was too out of
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Speaker 1: it or injured to know what he is doing under
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Speaker 1: the law that is called flight. I'm sure veteran trial
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Speaker 1: lawyer Brian Klaypool will argue with me about that. What
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Speaker 1: you heard earlier was from our friends at Malibu Times.
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Speaker 1: Four beautiful co eds in the prime of their lives,
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Speaker 1: standing there, minding their own business, are mowed down at
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Speaker 1: speeds up one hundred and four mph in a residential area.
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Speaker 1: Now will a rich brat manage to escape justice having
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Speaker 1: just hired a controversial defense attorney that helped Karen Read
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Speaker 1: get an acquittal again with me an all star panel.
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Speaker 1: But first I want to go to two very special guests.
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Speaker 1: Bridget Thompson, roommate and bestie with the Pepperdine crash victims,
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Speaker 1: and Coco Crandall, also roommate and best friend of the
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Speaker 1: crash victims. You know, to Coco Crandall, I don't call
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Speaker 1: it an accident because when you put your foot to
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Speaker 1: the pedal and exceed one hundred and four mph, that's
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Speaker 1: no accident. This is a crash. Tell me what you know,
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Speaker 1: Coco about the night of the deadly crash. It stole
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Speaker 1: your friends from you.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I remember getting a call that night saying, you know,
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Speaker 5: don't freak out, there's been an accident and we think
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Speaker 5: it was Ash's car. So I immediately drove down there
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Speaker 5: where I was like, they have no family, all their
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Speaker 5: families out of state.
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Speaker 3: You know, they need someone in.
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Speaker 5: Bridget met me, and Bridge I met at the scene
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Speaker 5: or as close to the scene as we could get.
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Speaker 5: But we just sat on the curb all night, not
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Speaker 5: really knowing what was going on. But then you know,
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Speaker 5: news broken once we hadn't heard from them for a
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Speaker 5: couple hours. Because we were always in contact with our friends,
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Speaker 5: we knew that something was wrong.
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Speaker 1: I'm just imagining U Coco crandall sitting there on the curb.
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Speaker 1: And I've got to tell you, I've been to so
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Speaker 1: many crime sayings and seeing family and loved ones and
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Speaker 1: best friends like you literally sitting on a curb because
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Speaker 1: there's nowhere to go, there's nowhere to sit, and you
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Speaker 1: just sit there, kind of suspended in time and space,
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Speaker 1: just waiting. It's like everything comes to a standstill, everything
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Speaker 1: seems to stop, and you're just waiting, waiting to hear something,
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Speaker 1: to know something, to find out something. Bridget Thompson also
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Speaker 1: with us roommate and bestie of the crash victims. Bridget,
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Speaker 1: what do you recall about that night?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, for me, I actually was supposed to be with
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Speaker 6: them that night. I had cheer practice that night and
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Speaker 6: ended running a little late, so I texted them and
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Speaker 6: let them know that I'll just meet them there. And
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Speaker 6: as I was on my way, I got a call
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Speaker 6: as well, and it was kind of the same, along
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Speaker 6: the same lines as Coco, and just thought there was
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Speaker 6: an accident and the girls aren't answering. I tried calling
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Speaker 6: all of them, but none of them answered, And like
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Speaker 6: Coco said, I went over to the scene and tried
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Speaker 6: to do whatever I could, but at that point it
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Speaker 6: was just such a helpless feeling.
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Speaker 1: Bridget. When you got to the scene, what did you observe?
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Speaker 6: Well, we couldn't get passed, like the police officer that
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Speaker 6: was blocking us off, so really it was just a
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Speaker 6: bunch of stopped cars and a police officer standing there.
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Speaker 6: And then in the distance we saw a bunch of
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Speaker 6: sirens ambulances, but nothing other than that.
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Speaker 1: Did anyone or could anyone tell you what had happened.
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Speaker 6: Not directly, there was things coming out in the news
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Speaker 6: because there was quite a bit of news coverage on it,
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Speaker 6: and that's kind of how we found out our information.
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Speaker 6: We heard there was four dead, six involved, so we
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Speaker 6: were praying that hopefully we only lost two of our
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Speaker 6: friends with that math, but unfortunately that just wasn't the case.
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Speaker 1: Bridget, did you try and question the police or try
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Speaker 1: and ask anyone any questions?
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Speaker 6: We definitely did, but we knew that there wasn't really
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Speaker 6: information that they could give us.
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Speaker 1: What did you do? Who did you try to speak to?
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Speaker 6: What time of the night was this the cross recurred
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Speaker 6: at eight thirty pm. We were trying to speak to
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Speaker 6: just the police officer standing blocking off the scene, and
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Speaker 6: then we were calling hospitals all night trying to see
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Speaker 6: if we could locate them anywhere, because at this point
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Speaker 6: we didn't know that they had died at the scene
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Speaker 6: and a hospital just wasn't necessary.
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Speaker 1: Coco Crandall also joining us in addition to Bridget Thompson. Coco,
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Speaker 1: were you there sitting on the curb waiting for answers
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Speaker 1: as well?
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Speaker 3: Yeah?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, So Bridget and I happen to get there around
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Speaker 5: the same time. And we both were pleading to the
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Speaker 5: officer to let us through, to give us any insight
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Speaker 5: on what was going on. And we're like, we know,
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Speaker 5: those are our friends in the scene, we can track them.
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Speaker 5: We see they're not quite at the party, and yeah,
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Speaker 5: like Bridget said, they couldn't really give us any answers.
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Speaker 5: So we just sat there for hours, you know, calling
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Speaker 5: hospitals and asking if they had our friends tracking them
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Speaker 5: and probably, I mean, like Bridget said, I don't know
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Speaker 5: if I even fully remember a time, but I think
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Speaker 5: it was around one pm or one am, And then
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Speaker 5: we went back to Pepperdine's campus up until you know,
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Speaker 5: six am the next morning when more information was released.
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Speaker 1: Who told the girls' parents?
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Speaker 5: Originally the school was the one to break it to them,
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Speaker 5: but the parents, I mean, you know, mothers know when
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Speaker 5: something's wrong, and so a lot of the parents were
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Speaker 5: also calling and just saying, hey, you know, what's going on,
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Speaker 5: where's my do you know where my daughter is?
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Speaker 3: Whatever?
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Speaker 5: But the court it took a while for the coroner
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Speaker 5: to confirm what had happened, so well couldn't fit, you know,
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Speaker 5: tell the parents right away because I had to wait
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Speaker 5: for the officials to confirm it.
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Speaker 1: Bridget, when did you first see or speak with the
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Speaker 1: girl's parents.
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Speaker 6: I was in touch with some of them over the
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Speaker 6: phone the next day. So early in the morning on
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Speaker 6: October eighteenth, I someone came up to my room and said, news,
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Speaker 6: parents are downstairs. They want to talk to you. And
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Speaker 6: I just broke down because that was like a realization
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Speaker 6: to me.
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Speaker 1: Oh my stars, I cannot even imagine going down and
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Speaker 1: trying to speak to the parents. And the parents were
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Speaker 1: there in the apartment, the place that you guys shared.
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Speaker 6: No, I didn't go back to that immediately, never went
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Speaker 6: back to that apartment. I briefly said bye, But they
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Speaker 6: had us in a hotel room on campus.
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Speaker 1: When you first saw the parents what happened.
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Speaker 3: It was hard.
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Speaker 6: They were obviously a mess beside themselves. They were unclear
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Speaker 6: of what had happened exactly. So I tried to give
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Speaker 6: them all the information that I knew, But it was
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Speaker 6: a situation that I wouldn't wish on anyone. It was
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Speaker 6: really really heartbreaking.
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Speaker 5: What do you recall, Yeah, I, like Bridget said, remember
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Speaker 5: the parents coming up.
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Speaker 3: They came so fast.
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Speaker 5: And I remember when Ash's parents came because they had
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Speaker 5: flew from the East Coast, and uh, there was just
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Speaker 5: so much sadness and grief and heaviness all around. And
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Speaker 5: I just remember walking outside the hotel and meeting her
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Speaker 5: in the parking lot and we just held each other
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Speaker 5: and cried, and I remember seeing her brothers and there
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Speaker 5: was just.
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Speaker 3: A lot of tears shed.
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Speaker 5: And eventually we got to kind of all sit in
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Speaker 5: a room together with you know, all the parents and
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Speaker 5: Bridge and I and some of our close friends as well,
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Speaker 5: and we tried to just you know, tell their parents
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Speaker 5: all amazing memories that we've had with them at school
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Speaker 5: and how wonderful.
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Speaker 3: They are, and just share, you know, more about.
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Speaker 5: The how Malibu was a happy place for them.
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Speaker 1: It's just reminding me so much of when my fiance
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Speaker 1: was murged. When you're trying to in those first hours
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Speaker 1: and days after, it doesn't seem real. Your head knows
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Speaker 1: it's real, but the rest of you doesn't know it's real,
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Speaker 1: and you're like remembering events together, things you did together.
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Speaker 1: I don't know that's some sort of comfort or sell
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Speaker 1: us to your mind as you try to absorb what
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Speaker 1: has happened. Bridget you stated you did not go back
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Speaker 1: to the apartment.
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Speaker 6: Why oh, I just couldn't. I mean, when I left there,
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Speaker 6: I could still picture them right now. They were all
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Speaker 6: sitting on the couch. We were laughing, giggling. I told
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Speaker 6: them I would see them after cheer practice. And we
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Speaker 6: had so many amazing memories in that apartment. I mean,
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Speaker 6: we spent every second together. So I couldn't imagine going
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Speaker 6: back without them. It was and when I did, just
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Speaker 6: because I felt like I needed that for my closure.
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Speaker 6: When I walked in our apartment, it was clear that
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Speaker 6: they were meant to come back. It was clear they
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Speaker 6: had their pajamas set out on their bed, their lights
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Speaker 6: still on. They were meant to come back. I just
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Speaker 6: it was truly heartbreaking.
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Speaker 1: Then you are at the crash scene. Girls, did you
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Speaker 1: see the defendant?
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Speaker 3: No, we did not.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stores with Nancy Gray joining me. Now, Crime Stories
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter Dave mac who is the defendant.
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Speaker 7: His name is Fraser Boone. He is a twenty three
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Speaker 7: year old rich kid growing up in privilege in Malibu
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Speaker 7: and an eight pointy seven million dollar seaside mansion. He
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Speaker 7: was driving his eighteenth birthday, President of BMW and he
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Speaker 7: is a former athlete. Was a picture in high school
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Speaker 7: and pretty privileged young man, Anthony, Why.
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Speaker 1: Do you say that, I'm looking at a picture of
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Speaker 1: him and apparently a shirtless selfie. Can we circle back
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Speaker 1: to that place? And he's got rings on every finger,
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Speaker 1: he's dripping in silver jewelry. What did you say about
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Speaker 1: a seven million dollar what.
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Speaker 7: An eight point seven million dollar seaside mansion with a
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Speaker 7: view of the Pacific Ocean a beautiful view of the
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Speaker 7: Pacific Ocean actually, and by the way, also a seven
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Speaker 7: hundred thousand dollars vacation place out near Palm Springs.
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Speaker 8: In this particular incident, we lost four young people with
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Speaker 8: a complete life ahead of them, for really no reason
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Speaker 8: other than complete and reckless this regard for the life
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Speaker 8: of others. So Neam Rolston, Peyton Store, Thissline Williams, and
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Speaker 8: I shall where were seniors Pepperdine and there were minding
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Speaker 8: their own business, just being in the neighborhood where their
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Speaker 8: school is, and they lost their life unnecessarily.
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Speaker 9: Between two and a half to four and a half
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Speaker 9: seconds prior to the collision.
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Speaker 10: The defendants vehicle was at a sheet of one hundred and.
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Speaker 1: Four miles an hour KTLA five, loved by all who
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Speaker 1: knew them.
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Speaker 2: The four young women were more than best friends. They
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Speaker 2: were sisters, bonded through Pepperdine's alpha feet. While they were
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Speaker 2: planning a glamorous night out, one young Malibu man would
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Speaker 2: change the course of their night.
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Speaker 1: Exactly what happened the night that these girls were mowed
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Speaker 1: down dead by a BMW traveling at rates of that
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Speaker 1: we know of one hundred and four m. They're standing
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Speaker 1: on the side of the road. They are not in
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Speaker 1: the road waiting to enter a college party. Now they're dead.
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Speaker 1: Four gorgeous, young, innocent, beautiful girls. They're gone. Nime, Peyton
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Speaker 1: Asha doesn't gone tonight. We're analyzing why, you know what
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Speaker 1: I'm saying gone. Let me say it correctly, Why they're dead.
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Speaker 1: They're dead, And don't you know their parents are wondering
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Speaker 1: the same thing. You just met two of their best
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Speaker 1: friends that they lived with. It could have been them too.
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Speaker 1: It didn't matter who was standing there. It didn't matter
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Speaker 1: how young or innocent, or vivacious, or how scrubbed and
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Speaker 1: sunshine they were. It didn't matter to the defendant, who
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Speaker 1: was driving his brand new BMW given to him by
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Speaker 1: Mommy and Daddy, at least one hundred and four mph.
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Speaker 8: On October seventeenth, at around a thirty pm, mister Bond
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Speaker 8: was allegedly speeding up speeding at the speed of one
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Speaker 8: hundred and four miles an hour on a forty five
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Speaker 8: mile an hour zone on PCH when he lost control
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Speaker 8: of his VMW. He allegedly crashed into a park car
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Speaker 8: before crashing into four pedestrians standing together on the side
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Speaker 8: of the roadway. All the young women die at the scene.
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Speaker 1: To top it all off, it's a fixed object. Out
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Speaker 1: of everywhere you could drive your car, you plow into
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Speaker 1: a fixed and then into four young girls.
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Speaker 4: And listen to this party host Sigma Kai brothers tackle
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Speaker 4: the mail driver to the ground and hold him there
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Speaker 4: until police arrive.
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Speaker 6: I just saw some people taking him out of the
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Speaker 6: car and holding him down on the curb and everything else,
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Speaker 6: and he was just yelling and screaming.
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Speaker 1: From our friends at KTLA five joining me. Veteran trial lawyer,
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Speaker 1: Defense attorney Brian at Claypool, Managing Partner, Claypool Law Firm,
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Speaker 1: author of Break the Code of Silence, Raising My Voice
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Speaker 1: to protect our kids, Brian Claypool. He tried to get away.
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Speaker 1: That's called flight under the law, So don't tell me
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Speaker 1: he was out of his mind, or he was depressed,
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Speaker 1: or he hit his head. He tried to get away, Brian,
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Speaker 1: that's damning under the law. The guys had to tackle
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Speaker 1: him and drag him back.
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Speaker 11: Look, this is a heartbreaking tragedy. I mean, we all
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Speaker 11: have kids, but we can't measure how a young man
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Speaker 11: is going to react to a traumatic situation. It's not
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Speaker 11: like he hopped in a buddy's car and was driving
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Speaker 11: to the to the Mexican border.
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Speaker 1: Are mentioning that, Why are you making that up. It's
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Speaker 1: not like he hopped in a buddy's car. Maybe he
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Speaker 1: would have, but he didn't have a buddy's car there.
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Speaker 1: So he did all he could do, and he took
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Speaker 1: the patent turner pat the street and turned the corner.
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Speaker 1: He tried to run. Isn't it true, Claypool, that that
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Speaker 1: is evidence of guilt flight, It's evidence of guilt when
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Speaker 1: you try to get away from the crime scene as
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Speaker 1: fast as you can.
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Speaker 11: Right, No, you know you're right. And that's why Alan
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Speaker 11: Jackson has a tough case ahead too. It's not just
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Speaker 11: because he won the Karen Reid trial. Remember in that
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Speaker 11: case there you couldn't even establish the manner of death
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Speaker 11: in that.
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Speaker 1: Case, Ryan Claypool, this is not about Karen Reid, Okay,
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Speaker 1: I'm talking about these four young girls and this guy
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Speaker 1: trying to get away from the scene. That's what I'm
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Speaker 1: talking about. So let me try to get the car
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Speaker 1: back in the middle of the road. Could you address
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Speaker 1: him trying to leave the scene and I haven't even
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Speaker 1: gotten to the crash yet.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, Nancy, Look, flight is evidence of guilt. It doesn't
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Speaker 11: matter how rich this kid is. Every defendant in a
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Speaker 11: criminal case is entitled to to a defense, whether we'd
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Speaker 11: like that or not. So what he's likely going to
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Speaker 11: argue in the defense of bomb is the following. Was
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Speaker 11: there a potential malfunction in his car? They're going to
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Speaker 11: expect examine the car? How did he go from ninety four?
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I just carved up my hot tea. A
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Speaker 1: malfunction in the car, like lead foot, like his foot
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Speaker 1: on the pedal? What possible? Now, you know what, I'm
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Speaker 1: glad you said that because I happen to have an
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Speaker 1: accent reconstructions with me every now and one, which I'm
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Speaker 1: going to follow up with what you're saying, but I
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Speaker 1: like that. Go ahead, spind me somewhere gold Rumpel steeles
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Speaker 1: can accident malfunction. Go ahead, I can't write fast enough.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 11: Well, the other argument that his previous lawyer made was
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Speaker 11: he was involved in a road raid road rage incident.
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Speaker 11: So that's going to be investigated by Alan Jackson. And
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Speaker 11: if there was a road range.
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Speaker 1: Let me make sure I understand what you're talking about.
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Speaker 1: You're talking about the mystery vehicle, the mystery vehicle that
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Speaker 1: was chasing him that nobody's been able to find on
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Speaker 1: any of the road camp that car.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, that's the car, right, and that's what they'll look into.
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Speaker 1: They're going to have to look really hard, really hard.
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Speaker 1: It may take a little let me just say, creative
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Speaker 1: editing to find that mystery car that he's claiming, something
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Speaker 1: along the lines of he cut somebody off because he
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Speaker 1: was texting and the guy got mad at him, and
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Speaker 1: so he boom ran way as fast as he could
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Speaker 1: so he wouldn't be injured, and then crashed and killed
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Speaker 1: the four girls. That's one of his arguments, real quick.
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Speaker 11: One other armament I think has today anyone look one
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Speaker 11: of his other arguments. My job is to tell you
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Speaker 11: what a defense that way, say.
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Speaker 1: Hold on Dave Mac joining me. I want to follow
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Speaker 1: up on everything Claypool is saying, because well, I don't
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Speaker 1: buy any of it. It could be a defense that
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Speaker 1: they try to raise a trial, and the best thing
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Speaker 1: the prosecution can do is be ready for that defense
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Speaker 1: and be prepared to shoot it down when it rears
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Speaker 1: its ugly head. Dave Mac tell me about the mystery
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Speaker 1: road rage incident.
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Speaker 7: There's a man named Victor Calandra. He's a resident of
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Speaker 7: Malibu for over thirty five years. He's driving his twenty
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Speaker 7: sixteen GMC twenty five hundred pickup truck in close prescimity
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Speaker 7: to Fraser Bomb Boom, and he says that Bomb was
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Speaker 7: speeding and driving in and out of traffic, and they
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Speaker 7: actually caught up to one of another right at Sunset
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Speaker 7: Boulevard towards Tipanga, and that's when Calandra said, he's trying
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Speaker 7: to get Balm's attention at the light to tell him
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Speaker 7: to slow down, and Bomb never acknowledges them, and when
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Speaker 7: the light turns green, Bomb accelerate with extreme I think
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Speaker 7: is the term, with extreme acceleration up the road. Calandra
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Speaker 7: couldn't was not he was right there the light with him,
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Speaker 7: but did not keep up with him as Bom takes off,
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Speaker 7: and it seconds later when the accident happens, and it
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Speaker 7: is Calandra who actually was yelling at Bomb at the
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Speaker 7: crash thene and that's who they're claiming was actually road
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Speaker 7: rage when in fact he was telling him to slow down.
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Speaker 1: You know, there's going to be footage of that, Dave Mac,
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Speaker 1: What stretch of the road was the alleged road rage
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Speaker 1: incident where now we're learning from the other driver he
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Speaker 1: was trying to motion to Boom to slow the hay down.
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Speaker 1: But what stress of the road was this.
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Speaker 7: Well, we're dealing with stretch on the PCH that is
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Speaker 7: called dead Man's Curve, which is actually a long stretch there,
23:08
Speaker 7: but it's an area of PCH that is just beyond
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Speaker 7: Sunset Boulevard toward Tipanga and the erratic vehicle in this
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Speaker 7: case being driven by bone with at the Las Flores
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Speaker 7: Canyon stoplight. That's where they caught up. So it's a
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Speaker 7: very short area where they actually caught up at the
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Speaker 7: light where Calandras you know what you used.
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Speaker 1: You just made me so happy, Mac, which typically does
23:37
Speaker 1: not happen in a case like this, But you just
23:39
Speaker 1: made me so happy because to Joseph Tremblay joining me,
23:43
Speaker 1: Senior forensic engineer Accident Reconstruction with Veritech Consulting Engineering. Tremblay,
23:51
Speaker 1: that was the music to my ears because I heard
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Speaker 1: p Pacific Coast Highway and we all know it is
23:59
Speaker 1: dripping in traffic cams. I heard dead Man's Curve, which,
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Speaker 1: as I recall, has signs posted the curvy nature like
24:10
Speaker 1: beware on dead Man's Curve, and also the speed limit
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Speaker 1: there is greatly greatly reduced because of the curves. Also,
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Speaker 1: I heard Dave matt from Crime Stories state the intersection
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Speaker 1: at Los Flores Canyon stoplight. I bet you they have
24:32
Speaker 1: a traffic cam as well. I mean, I'm hoping they do,
24:35
Speaker 1: because this could corroborate the witnesses story, it could corroborate
24:42
Speaker 1: the defendant, but I don't think it is. What does
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Speaker 1: all this mean to you, Tremblay?
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Speaker 10: When I look into a case like this, I start
24:52
Speaker 10: with the evidence of the scene itself, and in this
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Speaker 10: particular area, it's a very windy part of the re
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Speaker 10: oade and those lines in the road require certain steering
25:05
Speaker 10: inputs which would require a tent of driving essentially.
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Speaker 11: And I want to reiterate the fact that in.
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Speaker 10: This particular area, there are cautionary signs indicating that a.
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Speaker 11: Turn is ahead.
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Speaker 10: But the speed limit in that area is forty five
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Speaker 10: miles per hour. And I'll do the math for you.
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Speaker 10: He was going fifty nine over the speed limit. That's
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Speaker 10: more than double.
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Speaker 1: The space tremblay. I did a little research last night,
25:38
Speaker 1: and we found out that in some of those spots
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Speaker 1: it's actually thirty five. There's also some forty fives, but
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Speaker 1: in spots where he was, it's actually thirty five mph.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, that's an incredible excess of speed.
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Speaker 11: I'd like to also.
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Speaker 10: Point out that the dynamics of this impact suggests that
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Speaker 10: contacted three other cars.
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Speaker 11: Those cars have significant damage.
26:06
Speaker 10: There's actually photographs of those vehicles that he contacted, and
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Speaker 10: to be honest with you, those cars probably diminished the
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Speaker 10: impact severity that he produced against these four lovely young women.
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Speaker 1: So does a tremblay and regular people talk. What you're
26:24
Speaker 1: saying is the cars he crashed into to start with
26:28
Speaker 1: were a barrier, a buffer to the victims, and they
26:31
Speaker 1: would have suffered even more had he not crashed into
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Speaker 1: those cars to start with one hundred and four mph.
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Speaker 10: That's correct.
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Speaker 11: This is just such a severe impact the poor.
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Speaker 4: Females were pronounced at I have seen Bi Alpha Fi.
26:47
Speaker 4: Sisters arrived at Sigma Kaye's party and are waiting outside
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Speaker 4: when a red BMW speeding down the PCH going at
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Speaker 4: least one hundred miles per hour, suddenly swears from the
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Speaker 4: road and slams into parked cars. Partygoer scream as the
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Speaker 4: parked cars are shoved into Neave, Peyton, Asha, and Deslin,
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Speaker 4: while bystanders call nine one one and attend to two
27:08
Speaker 4: others injured in the crash. The BMW's driver gets out,
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Speaker 4: stumbling away from the mangled cars.
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Speaker 1: From Malibu Times.
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Speaker 2: In a chilling turn of events, twenty two year old
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Speaker 2: Fraser Boem tore through the infamous stretch of Pacific Coast
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Speaker 2: Highway known as dead Man's Curve, doing over one hundred
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Speaker 2: miles per hour and a forty five mile per hour zone.
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Speaker 2: He was behind the wheel of his luxurious BMW, allegedly
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Speaker 2: fleeing from a road rage altercation. When his recklessness would
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Speaker 2: create a nightmare, no one could have imagined.
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Speaker 1: A BMW brand new to him, just gifted to him
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Speaker 1: by his parents joining me now. In addition to Karen Stark,
27:46
Speaker 1: renowned forensic psychologist. Doctor Kendall Crown's joining US Chief Medical
27:51
Speaker 1: Examiner Terrence County. That's Fort Worth STARV brand new hit
27:56
Speaker 1: podcast Mayhem and the Morgue. He has estamed like Sure
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Speaker 1: at the Burnette School of Medicine at TCU and has
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Speaker 1: performed literally thousands, thousands of autopsies accidents, natural causes, suicides,
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Speaker 1: and homicides, including vehic iculer homicides. Doctor Kendall Crowns, thank
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Speaker 1: you for being with us. The girls standing there minding
28:23
Speaker 1: their own business, waiting to go into I believe Bridget
28:27
Speaker 1: and Coco it was a Sigma Kai party. Was that
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Speaker 1: where they were headed?
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Speaker 6: Yes, it was a mixer. It was like an event
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Speaker 6: for our sporty. It wasn't a party.
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Speaker 1: Okay, what's the difference.
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Speaker 6: There was no drinking involved.
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Speaker 1: Okay. I neither had to be a difference, because when
28:40
Speaker 1: you put the Sigma COIs and the Alpha Fees together
28:43
Speaker 1: in one place, it sounds like a party to me.
28:45
Speaker 1: So my Coco, crandall were they waiting outside to go in.
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Speaker 3: So they weren't from our understanding, they weren't necessarily waiting.
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Speaker 5: They actually had parked their car. If you're familiar with PCH,
28:57
Speaker 5: you only can park on the street.
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Speaker 3: To park their car, got out of their car and
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Speaker 3: were walking to the house to go to the mixer,
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Speaker 3: and in the process of walking, that's when they.
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Speaker 1: Were got it. Got it, So they're walking into a mixer. Wow, okay,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crowns. I just wanted to make sure I
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Speaker 1: understood what they were doing. You know another reason I
29:21
Speaker 1: wanted to know, doctor Crowns, because so often, somehow the
29:25
Speaker 1: victims turn out to be the bad guys in the
29:28
Speaker 1: media and with the defense no offense. Brian Claypool, I
29:31
Speaker 1: know you do everything you can to help your client,
29:34
Speaker 1: but Doctor Kendall Crowns, they were a not drinking. They
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Speaker 1: would be on the side of the street walking into
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Speaker 1: the Sigma Chai house for a non alcoholic mixer. I
29:47
Speaker 1: just want to be very clear, all dressed up and
29:49
Speaker 1: their party outfits, having all gotten ready together back at
29:54
Speaker 1: their place they all shared with our guests. I mean,
29:59
Speaker 1: doctor Kendall crown you know what time it is, right,
30:02
Speaker 1: I'm looking at colleges right now for the twins and
30:05
Speaker 1: hearing something like this just pushes me over the edge.
30:10
Speaker 1: Doctor Keller Crowds, what happened to these girls when they
30:14
Speaker 1: were hit by a couple of tons of metal at
30:16
Speaker 1: one hundred and four miles per hour.
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Speaker 9: So what happens when a car is going at a
30:21
Speaker 9: very high rated speed and it hits a pedestrian. Initially,
30:26
Speaker 9: the bumper comes into contact at about your knee level
30:29
Speaker 9: and folds your knee in, causing your thigh to strike
30:32
Speaker 9: the upper portion of the front of the car, and
30:36
Speaker 9: that pitches the body onto the hood. The head hits
30:40
Speaker 9: the hood or the windshield, and at that high rate
30:42
Speaker 9: of speed, the body will flip up over the car
30:45
Speaker 9: and then fly through the air and land on the ground. Now,
30:48
Speaker 9: one of the other things when you're having someone drive
30:50
Speaker 9: at that high rate of speed is you'll get traumatic
30:54
Speaker 9: amputations where the legs will be severed from the point
30:57
Speaker 9: of impact and then just kind of spread out all
30:59
Speaker 9: of the roadway. We also might see, depending on their height,
31:05
Speaker 9: amputations that the hit area bodies cut in half, and
31:08
Speaker 9: even potentially from the speed with the head hitting the
31:12
Speaker 9: windshield decapitations. It will be massive internal injuries, fractures of
31:17
Speaker 9: all the extremities, ribs, pelvis, and then the organs themselves
31:23
Speaker 9: will be ruptured or lacerated as well. It's actually high
31:28
Speaker 9: high speed velocity pedestrians accidents are very gruesome events, Doctor.
31:35
Speaker 1: Kittle Crowns, how many cases like this have you worked?
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Speaker 6: So?
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Speaker 9: Pedestrianstruck by vehicles are fairly common, We see them at
31:43
Speaker 9: least probably once a week, But high speed pedestrians struck
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Speaker 9: by vehicles are are very rare because mostly most of
31:51
Speaker 9: the time, pedestrians aren't on the highway and most people
31:54
Speaker 9: aren't driving their cars at one hundred and four miles
31:57
Speaker 9: per hour when they hit a pedestrian.
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Speaker 1: That last comment, I'm going to circle back to you,
32:02
Speaker 1: doctor Kendall Crowns for more of an in depth analysis
32:05
Speaker 1: of what the victims may have lived through. But Brian
32:07
Speaker 1: Claypool joining US veteran trial lawyer managing partner Claypool Law
32:13
Speaker 1: Firm joining US out of California, did you hear what
32:18
Speaker 1: he said? Very rarely are victims walking on a highway
32:24
Speaker 1: where high speed crashes normally happened. This was not a
32:28
Speaker 1: highway and they were walking along the edge of a
32:31
Speaker 1: pedestrian street where the mph was thirty five.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, hey, Nancy, I get that. But I think what
32:39
Speaker 11: Alan Jackson is going to do in this case is
32:41
Speaker 11: he's going to go after the County of Los Angeles
32:44
Speaker 11: and or the city of Maliburn. I think it's likely
32:47
Speaker 11: the county for failing to adequately maintain that road. What
32:50
Speaker 11: do I mean by that? Your entire show, you've mentioned
32:53
Speaker 11: probably four or five times dead Man's Curve. It was
32:56
Speaker 11: also called Hell's Corner. The County's on notice, this is
33:00
Speaker 11: a dangerous curve. Why wasn't there better lighting? That's what
33:03
Speaker 11: he's going to argue, And he's going to argue also
33:06
Speaker 11: a was there a guardrail here? I don't think there was,
33:10
Speaker 11: And if there wasn't, there should have been, and that
33:13
Speaker 11: might have minimized the impact, and this tragedy might have been.
33:16
Speaker 1: A verb Well, at least you're going down swinging. You're
33:19
Speaker 1: going to try and blame bad lighting and no guardrail
33:24
Speaker 1: and push it all off on the county. Okay, that
33:28
Speaker 1: sounds more like a civil lawsuit claim where you're trying
33:31
Speaker 1: to distribute the monetary damages. I'm talking about a criminal
33:37
Speaker 1: trial for vehicular homicide. I'm sure, Claypool that you are
33:44
Speaker 1: familiar with the abandoned and malignant heart theory under the law,
33:49
Speaker 1: which rises too. I would like this to be prosecuted
33:53
Speaker 1: as murder not vehicular homicide because of the abandoned and
33:57
Speaker 1: malignant heart theory. Malice murder murder one can be proven
34:03
Speaker 1: in many different ways. One is, of course, when you
34:07
Speaker 1: say I'm going to kill you, Claypool, I've had it
34:10
Speaker 1: and I take a gun, hold it up and shoot
34:12
Speaker 1: you dead. Okay, That is clear, extrinsic and implicit evidence
34:19
Speaker 1: of intent to murder. There is another theory called abandon
34:23
Speaker 1: and malignant heart. What does that mean? Here's an example.
34:27
Speaker 1: You drive one hundred and four miles an hour through
34:29
Speaker 1: let's just say, a street festival that's been blocked off
34:32
Speaker 1: where people are selling food and homemade items and crafts,
34:38
Speaker 1: and there are two hundred people there on a Sunday afternoon,
34:42
Speaker 1: drinking lemonade and eating kebabs. And suddenly here you come, Claypool,
34:47
Speaker 1: one hundred and four mph, plowing through the street festival
34:50
Speaker 1: and you kill people. That shows an abandoned heart. In
34:55
Speaker 1: other words, you have a heart which is abandon of
34:59
Speaker 1: empathy for other people, and you do something so insanely
35:03
Speaker 1: reckless it equals murder. That would be my argument to
35:08
Speaker 1: this jury. And you're trying to blame bad lighting. I
35:13
Speaker 1: respect that.
35:13
Speaker 11: Well, look, look I respectfully disagree on that that my
35:18
Speaker 11: argument applies to a civil case. You know as well
35:20
Speaker 11: as I do. You've got to prove causation, even in
35:22
Speaker 11: the murder case here, and what Jackson's going to argue
35:25
Speaker 11: is there going to be concurrent, concurrent causation. And here's
35:28
Speaker 11: another point. In order to prove murder in the situation
35:32
Speaker 11: in California, not to proved causation, what's called implied malice,
35:36
Speaker 11: not that he intended to drive over these young women.
35:40
Speaker 11: You've got to prove that he he acted in such
35:43
Speaker 11: conscious disregard for the lives of other others that he
35:47
Speaker 11: knew that it was late that these young women would die.
35:50
Speaker 11: And what Jackson is going to argue is that wasn't
35:53
Speaker 11: in his frame of mind that he didn't intend on
35:55
Speaker 11: doing that, didn't intend on trying to embody.
35:58
Speaker 1: Again, you just made me so happy because you said
36:04
Speaker 1: he didn't intend it. But isn't the black and white
36:08
Speaker 1: letter of the law, which will be read to the
36:10
Speaker 1: jury and jury instructions just after closing arguments that the
36:15
Speaker 1: law presumes the definant intends the natural consequences of his act.
36:23
Speaker 1: Isn't that true?
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Speaker 11: Yeah, I'm not sure if that's a jury instruction in California,
36:28
Speaker 11: you could try to make that argument as prosecutor.
36:30
Speaker 1: Let me refresh your regulation. It is that you natural
36:38
Speaker 1: consequence of your act.
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Speaker 11: Look, if this case goes to trial, Boem is going
36:43
Speaker 11: to have to testify to try to refute. Well, let's
36:46
Speaker 11: assume you're correct, Nancy. Then he's going to have to
36:49
Speaker 11: testify to tell a jury what was going on in
36:52
Speaker 11: his mind at the time of this incident. And that's
36:55
Speaker 11: really what your accident is going to have to do.
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Speaker 1: Here was in his mind? Why do I care what
37:00
Speaker 1: he's thinking?
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Speaker 11: You should care. The first question Jackson is going to
37:06
Speaker 11: ask him, did you intend on driving off the side
37:08
Speaker 11: of the road to kill these young ladies? That is
37:11
Speaker 11: relevant in this trial to refute your abandon heart theory.
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Speaker 1: It is, Nancy, abandoned heart means you at with such
37:19
Speaker 1: gross negligence, with a malignant heart, that you kill others.
37:25
Speaker 1: What you're thinking does not go as so life called negligence.
37:30
Speaker 1: You're not thinking, Hey, I want to kill four girls
37:33
Speaker 1: all dressed up in their party dresses to go to
37:34
Speaker 1: the Sigma Kai mixer. You don't have to think that
37:37
Speaker 1: if I go into the Mall of America with an
37:41
Speaker 1: oozy and start firing. I don't have to know who
37:44
Speaker 1: my victims are. I don't have to mean to kill them.
37:46
Speaker 1: That is an abandon and malignant heart, and that is murder.
37:50
Speaker 1: But I just looked it up just to make sure
37:53
Speaker 1: I was right, and guess what I am. The law
37:58
Speaker 1: presumes you intend the natural consequences of your act, and
38:04
Speaker 1: it's called in your jurisdiction non target offense liability. You don't,
38:13
Speaker 1: just like I said, if I take a piece of
38:15
Speaker 1: thin china so fine you can see through it and
38:17
Speaker 1: I throw it to the ground, Wow, what did I
38:20
Speaker 1: intend to do? Break it? When you drive one hundred
38:24
Speaker 1: and four mph in a residential area where people are
38:28
Speaker 1: by the road, the natural consequence of your act is
38:34
Speaker 1: a crash. Let me ask Cocoa Crandall and Bridget Thompson
38:39
Speaker 1: first to you, Bridget, have you ever been in that
38:43
Speaker 1: area before? Have you ever seen the Sigma Kai house?
38:47
Speaker 6: Yes? Absolutely?
38:48
Speaker 1: And is it a residential area? What's around it? Are
38:52
Speaker 1: there homes?
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Speaker 6: Yes, it's one hundred percent of residential area. It's lined
38:56
Speaker 6: on both sides with homes.
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Speaker 1: Are there other fraternity homes or already homes on that street?
39:02
Speaker 6: There is one. But it's not like a Greek row
39:05
Speaker 6: or anything. But there's definitely residential.
39:08
Speaker 1: Are they're private residences?
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Speaker 3: Yes?
39:12
Speaker 1: So good luck with that. Brian Claypool that there needed
39:15
Speaker 1: to be a guard rail to prevent this horrific, deadly crash.
39:22
Speaker 1: You're going to blame a guard rail or bad lighting? Oh,
39:25
Speaker 1: I can't wait.
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Speaker 11: Well, one other thing I would do if I'm Jackson
39:29
Speaker 11: is again I disagree as to the front as a
39:33
Speaker 11: state of mind of bomb. I think you have to
39:35
Speaker 11: ask him why did he go from ninety three miles
39:39
Speaker 11: an hour to one hundred and four miles an hour?
39:41
Speaker 11: That gets to your defense. I mean, if he has
39:43
Speaker 11: some rational explanation as to why the car accelerated ten
39:48
Speaker 11: miles an hour in a short amount of time, he
39:50
Speaker 11: might be able to get over this.
39:52
Speaker 1: Advantage technical legal term. He's an a hole? Did they
39:56
Speaker 1: teach you that at Harvard Law School? An a whole?
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Speaker 8: The defend the new his actions were dangerous to human
40:03
Speaker 8: life and deliberately acted with consciousness regard for human life,
40:10
Speaker 8: committing four counts of imply malice murder in this case.
40:14
Speaker 8: I can't say this enough. We have to realize that
40:22
Speaker 8: when we're driving a card. We have the potential of
40:26
Speaker 8: killing others when we're driving at one hundred plus miles
40:33
Speaker 8: an hour on a forty five miles per hour zone.
40:39
Speaker 8: The only reasonable conclusion that kid arrive out of that
40:43
Speaker 8: behavior is harming others.
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Speaker 12: I told her that the greatest stads to her young,
40:52
Speaker 12: vibrant life and the future goals was a Molti vehicle accident,
41:00
Speaker 12: which is still the leading cause of death in an
41:05
Speaker 12: age group at that time. I asked that seems to
41:09
Speaker 12: have lost the argument.
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Speaker 1: You were just seeing Deslin's dad, Desmond Williams, speaking, and
41:16
Speaker 1: that's our friends at Pepperdine University YouTube trying to make
41:21
Speaker 1: sense of a nonsensical tragedy. He's one of eight parents
41:32
Speaker 1: devastated tonight while we're on air. They're at home, sitting
41:40
Speaker 1: in their dims and around their supper tables looking at
41:42
Speaker 1: an empty spot. Maybe they're sitting in the girl's bedroom.
41:47
Speaker 1: Maybe they're driving by their apartment thinking about what was
41:54
Speaker 1: I want to go to two very special guests, but
41:58
Speaker 1: first to Karen start Joining us forensic psychologist, renowned TV
42:03
Speaker 1: radio Trump expert. You can find her at Karenstark dot com.
42:08
Speaker 1: She has dealt with so many survivors trying to make
42:13
Speaker 1: sense of a new normal. Sharen, please, what is your
42:20
Speaker 1: advice to these two girls joining us today.
42:23
Speaker 13: I think that they need to do exactly what they're doing, Nancy.
42:27
Speaker 13: They have to keep talking about this. I'm so glad
42:30
Speaker 13: they're on the show. I'm very sorry that this happened.
42:34
Speaker 13: But the more they get involved, the more they talk
42:37
Speaker 13: about what this person did, the dispeting, all of the neglect,
42:44
Speaker 13: the better they're going to feel. It will never ever
42:47
Speaker 13: go away, unfortunately.
42:48
Speaker 14: Don't we know that.
42:50
Speaker 13: I think everyone knows that that hole in the heart
42:53
Speaker 13: never closes, but over time it will get better. Just
42:58
Speaker 13: keep spreading the message that this is terot and should
43:02
Speaker 13: never have happened.
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Speaker 14: And remember your friends, girls.
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Speaker 1: When I first moved to New York to start off
43:09
Speaker 1: at Court TV, Karen and I would watch trials together
43:13
Speaker 1: in a dark studio and we would talk about what
43:16
Speaker 1: the victims had gone through. Do you remember that, Karen,
43:19
Speaker 1: all those years, eleven years, had those at dark studios.
43:24
Speaker 1: And She's right, it won't go away. It changes. You
43:30
Speaker 1: don't cry every single day, but probably right now that's
43:35
Speaker 1: still your situation. And Karen, please jump in whenever you
43:39
Speaker 1: have a suggestion. Bridget and Coco, tell me about what
43:45
Speaker 1: life was like living with these beautiful girls.
43:49
Speaker 6: First to you, Bridget, Yeah, life was nothing short of perfect.
43:55
Speaker 6: When I met them, my life literally changed. They were
43:59
Speaker 6: the most amazing people I have ever met, and I
44:02
Speaker 6: think I will ever meet. They made every day a
44:06
Speaker 6: better one. They knew how to pick me up when
44:09
Speaker 6: I was down. They were always a shoulder to cry on.
44:13
Speaker 6: It was. It was just the best to live with them,
44:19
Speaker 6: To wake up to their good mornings every morning, to
44:21
Speaker 6: go to bed hearing their good nights. I just missed
44:26
Speaker 6: it a lot. You know.
44:27
Speaker 1: It struck me, Bridget that when either you or Coke
44:31
Speaker 1: I went back to the apartment, I believe it was you.
44:35
Speaker 1: Their pj's were still lying out on the bed where
44:38
Speaker 1: they replaced them to hop into when they got home.
44:44
Speaker 6: Yeah, they were.
44:45
Speaker 1: Coco, tell me about a typical day that you would
44:51
Speaker 1: have waking up with these beautiful girls.
44:55
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was.
44:56
Speaker 5: I mean it literally felt like a dream every morning
45:00
Speaker 5: getting to wake up with them. They are, like Bridget said,
45:04
Speaker 5: they are the bestest of friends, and I don't think
45:07
Speaker 5: we'll ever find friends like that again. They're truly I
45:10
Speaker 5: don't even think most people are lucky enough to have
45:12
Speaker 5: friends like we did in their whole lifetime. But we
45:18
Speaker 5: would wake up and we always had a playlist that
45:21
Speaker 5: we would play mornings, and we would wake up, open
45:25
Speaker 5: the curtains, let the sunshine in, just sit in our pjs,
45:28
Speaker 5: make breakfast, play music. We lived, obviously in a great area,
45:34
Speaker 5: so we'd walk to the beach a lot of time,
45:38
Speaker 5: either on walks along zoom A Beach or at Point Doom.
45:44
Speaker 3: Spent a lot of time in the water just swimming around.
45:49
Speaker 5: And then I feel like we always would go get
45:53
Speaker 5: dinner at our favorite Italian place in Malibu, and I
45:58
Speaker 5: mean it's such a simple day. But any day with them,
46:02
Speaker 5: whether we were doing nothing or anything and everything was
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Speaker 5: just such a dream. And I know, well I can
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Speaker 5: speak for bridget and I like we would give anything
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Speaker 5: just to have one.
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Speaker 3: More day with them.
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Speaker 1: Do you ever dream about them?
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Speaker 3: Yeah?
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Speaker 5: Absolutely, I mean so after the accident, because I lived
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Speaker 5: with Doson and Bridgette lived with the rest. Bridget and
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Speaker 5: I moved in together afterwards into a different apartment and
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Speaker 5: would be like we both had dreams and it felt
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Speaker 5: so real that both of us were like, we don't
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Speaker 5: want to ever wake up because we just want to
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Speaker 5: keep dreaming.
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Speaker 3: And some of them felt so real.
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Speaker 5: Some of them were dreams about them coming back and
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Speaker 5: telling us like, hey, we're okay, we're in we're we're
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Speaker 5: in a spot, and you know, it happened so fast,
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Speaker 5: and like I want you guys to know we're okay.
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Speaker 5: It's a Bridget and I would just wake up and
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Speaker 5: sometimes just like cry together from our.
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Speaker 3: Dreams because they felt so real.
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Speaker 5: But then we'd wake up and it's just hard to
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Speaker 5: keep going in life without them, you know.
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Speaker 3: I feel like we were just in.
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Speaker 5: A really big denial stage for a really really long time.
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Speaker 1: But Doctor Kendall Crowns, it wasn't that way. It wasn't
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Speaker 1: just all so fast they laid there and died. You
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Speaker 1: talked about severed limbs, You talked about horrific impact at
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Speaker 1: one hundred and four mph. They didn't just die just
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Speaker 1: like that.
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Speaker 9: Well, that is very true, Nancy. It really all depends
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Speaker 9: on where they got hit and what was initially damaged. Now,
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Speaker 9: of course, the initial impact that could several limbs to
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Speaker 9: cause a person to go flying over the car but
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Speaker 9: not hit anything else, so their head would be intact
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Speaker 9: and they would be laying there with the traumaticly amputated
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Speaker 9: limb bleeding out on the roadway. It really all just
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Speaker 9: depends on what organ system got hit and at what
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Speaker 9: point was their head engaged or their neck engaged, or
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Speaker 9: how quickly they may have died, And it can be
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Speaker 9: one of those situations in which just the lower extremities
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Speaker 9: were severed or crushed or whatever, or their pelvist was
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Speaker 9: crushed and they just laid there slowly bleeding out and
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Speaker 9: nobody could help them because of the amount of damage
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Speaker 9: that was done.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stores with Nancy Grace Joseph Trimlay, Senior forensic engineer,
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Speaker 1: actor reconstructionist at Veritech Consulting. How do you go into
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Speaker 1: this scene, knowing what you know, having heard Bridget and
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Speaker 1: Cocoa and Karen and doctor Crown's how do you go
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Speaker 1: in and perform a hard, cold evaluation that will hold
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Speaker 1: up in court to explain to injury what happened? What
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Speaker 1: do you do or I have to.
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Speaker 10: Look at the fax, I have to look at the evidence,
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Speaker 10: and I think it's fair to say in this situation,
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Speaker 10: at that excessive speed, this was no longer a car
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Speaker 10: accident at that rate of speed, and the collision that
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Speaker 10: occurred would cause severe damage. I mean, he's probably lucky
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Speaker 10: himself that he didn't have any injuries from this is
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Speaker 10: so severe. And you know, one of the nice things
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Speaker 10: we have in this situation is so much evidence and
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Speaker 10: so much data, in particular the data from the vehicle itself,
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Speaker 10: which will corroborate his speed, it'll corroborate his pre impact navigation,
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Speaker 10: and whether or not he attempted any sort of maneuver.
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Speaker 11: To avoid this collision.
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Speaker 10: So there's a lot of evidence that's going to be
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Speaker 10: presented at trial, and I think it's going to be
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Speaker 10: very elucidating for this particular crash.
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Speaker 1: Tim Blay, what do you mean you're going to get
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Speaker 1: a lot of evidence from the car itself. I got
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Speaker 1: a lot of evidence in the Alex Mordag case from
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Speaker 1: his nav his navigation system, which was awesome. You can't
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Speaker 1: really argue with the nav system in your own car.
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Speaker 1: What evidence are you talking about.
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Speaker 10: Well, that's a great question, and there is a lot
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Speaker 10: of evidence from a navigation unit individually. But in addition
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Speaker 10: to that, modern cars are constantly recording data. Every car
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Speaker 10: out there, it's a federal mandate that they record data,
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Speaker 10: and that particular data is tied to the airbag system.
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Speaker 10: In the event of an airbag deployment, the car decides
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Speaker 10: whether or not to deploy the airbags based on things
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Speaker 10: like vehicle speed, steering inputs, breaking inputs, things like that,
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Speaker 10: and that data is stored on the car that can
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Speaker 10: be retrieved. In this particular crash, that data was retrieved
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Speaker 10: by the responding officers, and that is most likely the
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Speaker 10: way that they determined the impact speed, and then also
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Speaker 10: the way that they determined the pre impact acceleration that
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Speaker 10: was done by mister Baum.
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Speaker 11: And his.
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Speaker 10: Apparently completely absent attempt to avoid this crash.
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Speaker 1: Timoy, I know that the arriving officer saw skid marks
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Speaker 1: and smoke. What does that mean?
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Speaker 10: Okay, that may actually suggest a small maneuver or breaking
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Speaker 10: an attempt to potentially mitigate the crash. I'd have to
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Speaker 10: look into that even more.
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Speaker 11: If it was.
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Speaker 10: A skid mark, that would suggest potentially maybe a steering
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Speaker 10: input or a breaking input to decelerate before impact. However,
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Speaker 10: that also kind of depends on how the crash unfolded itself.
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Speaker 11: The data will provide.
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Speaker 10: A very solid basis for all of that. And the
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Speaker 10: nice thing about that data is that It's been admitted
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Speaker 10: in many different court cases. It's very solid. It's hard
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Speaker 10: to argue that data. I'm sure mister Jackson will probably
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Speaker 10: make a very honest attempt to kind of reduce the
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Speaker 10: credibility of that data. But it's just very solid. It's
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Speaker 10: been used a lot, and it's a very valuable piece
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Speaker 10: of evidence.
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Speaker 1: Here to Bridget Thompson joining US roommate investie with the
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Speaker 1: crash victims, do you ever dream about them?
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Speaker 6: Yes? I have had many dreams with them, and it
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Speaker 6: is an amazing feeling to feel like you get to
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Speaker 6: be with them one more time. But it's hard to
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Speaker 6: wake up and now it's just not the truth.
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Speaker 1: In the dreams. What's happening? What are they saying?
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Speaker 6: Sometimes they'll reassure us that they're okay. Sometimes they'll be like,
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Speaker 6: it's okay, I'm okay now, And I'll try to convince
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Speaker 6: them to stay and they'll be like, I have to
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Speaker 6: go back, I have to go back. It's a really
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Speaker 6: crazy feeling.
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Speaker 1: Karen Stark, what do these mean? What do these mean?
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Speaker 1: What's happening in the girl's psychis.
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Speaker 13: It's a case of them trying to preserve the friendship
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Speaker 13: with the girls. And this is actually wonderful because a
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Speaker 13: lot of people when they lose.
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Speaker 14: Someone they want to dream about, then you have a chance.
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Speaker 13: To revisit, even to say goodbye, which I'm going to
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Speaker 13: suggest to both of you that you tell yourself you
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Speaker 13: want to do that when you have the dream again
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Speaker 13: to say goodbye to them, and the whole idea of
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Speaker 13: being with them again. It's all beautiful and very very fortunate.
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Speaker 13: I'm glad they're having those dreams. I know that when
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Speaker 13: you wake up and maybe upsetting, but take it like
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Speaker 13: a message.
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Speaker 14: You know that your friends have come and they're visiting
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Speaker 14: with you.
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Speaker 15: Pepperdine University seniors Neve Rolston, Peyton Stewart, Osha Weir, and
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Speaker 15: Deslin Williams, four Alpha PI sisters, get ready for a
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Speaker 15: Sigma Chai party at their apartment. The girls are incredibly close.
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Speaker 15: After moving in together sophomore year, the women connected freshman
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Speaker 15: year and became inseparable. The Pepperdine victims are a star athlete,
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Speaker 15: future vet TikTok intern, and an aspiring writer. Neive, a
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Speaker 15: twenty year old business student, was an excellent gymnast, cheerleader,
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Speaker 15: and pole vaulter who competed in the CICH Championship. Deslin
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Speaker 15: was on a pre veterinary track with deep empathy for animals.
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Speaker 15: Peyton spent her sophomore year at Pepperdine's London campus, landing
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Speaker 15: her dream internship with TikTok before returning to camp for
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Speaker 15: senior year. Asha was studying writing and passionate about the
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Speaker 15: dynamic landscapes of the fashion and music industries.
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Speaker 1: If you have any information, if you were a witness,
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Speaker 1: if you know anything that happened before, during, or after
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Speaker 1: the fatal crash, please dial toll free eight hundred two
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Speaker 1: seven seven. We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace signing
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Speaker 1: off goodbye friend than