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The Morning After Grant’s Finale with Rachel Recchia, Susie Evans, Bob Guiney & Trista Sutter · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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  Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio.
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  Speaker 2: Hey guys, welcome to the Almost Famous Podcast Finale Edition
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  Speaker 2: Part two. Ben is at a conference right now, so
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to meet with a panel of our Bachelor
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  Speaker 2: faves and we're going to just get their opinion on
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  Speaker 2: the finale. His his, uh, what would you call it? Rachel?
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  Speaker 2: It's a Rachel rakia with us right now. Grants, it's
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  Speaker 2: not a bad decision to pick somebody that you think
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  Speaker 2: you're properly fit with. What's the bad decision here is
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  Speaker 2: that you told the other girl it was her the
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  Speaker 2: whole time.
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  Speaker 3: Crazy crazy and going off that I don't even feel
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  Speaker 3: like we were shown as like much as he did
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  Speaker 3: say that, Like, I feel like I didn't realize so
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  Speaker 3: she was sitting down on the couch. How much of
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  Speaker 3: a switch up I guess this was. I don't know
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  Speaker 3: the whole time I thought she was running away with it.
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  Speaker 3: But as viewers like, we know, sometimes it's not how
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  Speaker 3: you think it it. So I'm curious to hear your opinion.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I gave my opinion for our audience to know
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  Speaker 2: in the episode with Ben. Mine is just so I'll
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  Speaker 2: just briefly summarize it here. I just I think that
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  Speaker 2: he wanted somebody to date and not somebody to necessarily marry,
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  Speaker 2: because he knew that Letia was like, we're on the
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  Speaker 2: marriage path, We're on the kid's path within two years,
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  Speaker 2: this is our timeline. I think he just knew that
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  Speaker 2: with Juliana he could have more fun, he could kind
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  Speaker 2: of play by year.
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  Speaker 3: I also feel like there was I'm actually kind of
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  Speaker 3: shocked they with this like confusion storyline because watching this
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  Speaker 3: last episode, I feel like he could not be more
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  Speaker 3: obvious it wasn't Letia.
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  Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, I didn't mention that. Yes, I didn't mentioned
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  Speaker 2: that with Ben. I think that he was like really
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  Speaker 2: happy to see that, like the Juliana's connection was catching
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  Speaker 2: up with Latia because I think he started to feel
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  Speaker 2: the Litia relationship was too heavy.
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  Speaker 3: And the second he sat down with his dad, which
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  Speaker 3: by the way, his conversation with his dad was probably
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  Speaker 3: my favorite part of the episode, but not.
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  Speaker 2: For me, not the not the final conversation with the dad,
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  Speaker 2: but the conversation that he had during one of the
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  Speaker 2: girl meet and greets where the dad started crying about
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  Speaker 2: how he was going to be involved with his life going.
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  Speaker 3: I know, and like, even after everything that he opened
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  Speaker 3: up about on Gen season, like seeing this kind of
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  Speaker 3: all come to a close for him, it was very nice.
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  Speaker 3: But the second he started mentioning, he started like throwing
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  Speaker 3: in seeds of doubt about Latia and about the king.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm just so confused because Grant is thirty one,
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  Speaker 3: and did he not say he wants kids? Like when
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  Speaker 3: do you want those kids? It just felt like he
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  Speaker 3: was looking for an excuse to pick Juliana. I don't
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  Speaker 3: even know if it was that. It just felt like
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  Speaker 3: he was looking for something.
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  Speaker 2: I'm so glad you brought this up because this is
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  Speaker 2: stuff that I didn't talk about with Ben. Yeah. I
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  Speaker 2: think that he made that comment to his dad saying
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  Speaker 2: like I played basketball my whole twenties, And it sounded
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  Speaker 2: as if he wanted to say but couldn't say because
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  Speaker 2: he's a bachelor. But it sounded like he wanted to
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  Speaker 2: be like, and now I just want to have fun,
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  Speaker 2: I want.
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  Speaker 3: To travel, I want to like, you know, you're picking
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  Speaker 3: your two decisions. Here are someone who is a little
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  Speaker 3: bit older and who's ready for the family and ready
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  Speaker 3: for every single thing that you said you wanted. First episode,
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  Speaker 3: you stood there and you said, this is what I want.
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  Speaker 3: But now you have this option. Okay, Juliana, she's a
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  Speaker 3: little just a tiny bit younger, and it doesn't feel
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  Speaker 3: like to him maybe as much pressure. And now that
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  Speaker 3: this is really coming into the engagement, which all these
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  Speaker 3: men too, I think don't realize they're actually getting engaged,
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  Speaker 3: I know, like across the board. And I think now
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  Speaker 3: he's like, oh shit, I'm getting engaged and now I
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  Speaker 3: have to have a baby, Like he's just I don't know,
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  Speaker 3: because I do think he has a great connection with Juliana.
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  Speaker 3: But as a viewer, this definitely was a crazy switch
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  Speaker 3: up at the end, but not at the very last minute.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think he was conflicted at last minute.
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  Speaker 2: I think that that was kind of built up too.
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  Speaker 2: I think what he was conflicted about was that he
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  Speaker 2: had said so many things Latia that he was like,
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  Speaker 2: how do I get off the hook here? Uh huh,
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  Speaker 2: I've just buried myself in lies, like this is what
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  Speaker 2: I'm I'm scared about, not necessarily who I'm gonna who
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  Speaker 2: I'm drawn to picking.
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  Speaker 3: No, absolutely, and I'm I actually am shocked too that
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  Speaker 3: they It feels like they protected him a lot with
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  Speaker 3: this ending.
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  Speaker 2: We think that they took a lot out of that,
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  Speaker 2: like deciding term oil moment, because like he just they
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  Speaker 2: teased it all season long, like he's gonna have He's
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  Speaker 2: gonna go in thirty minutes beforehead not knowing. But we
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  Speaker 2: didn't really see any of that emotional debate in his I.
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  Speaker 3: Didn't see any debate. I saw him sit down with
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  Speaker 3: Litia and basically try to get her to like have
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  Speaker 3: doubt and he starts bringing up this kid's thing again
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  Speaker 3: and she's like, no, it's fine, it's totally fine. We
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  Speaker 3: could discuss how you feel in those three years, Like
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  Speaker 3: she was literally saying, like anything you want, here's the plattern.
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  Speaker 3: It just felt like he was trying to get hurt
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  Speaker 3: a doubt because he was doubting. But then she said
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  Speaker 3: that he was saying, I can't wait to get engaged tomorrow.
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  Speaker 3: Why didn't they air that, like genuinely, where's the footage
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  Speaker 3: of that? Because I believe her. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I believe her too, and I'm dying to know
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  Speaker 2: what was said in the finale. Yeah, I mean the
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  Speaker 2: Fantasy sweep, the Fantasy sweep. And I also would love.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, they would never do this to a lead,
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  Speaker 2: though maybe there was like one lead, you know, maybe
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  Speaker 2: like one.
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  Speaker 3: I thought they were like protecting him, like especially having
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  Speaker 3: the panel of leads come up and to distuss that
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  Speaker 3: was crazy and I feel like it was overlooked how
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  Speaker 3: crazy that was.
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  Speaker 2: You're right, that was a defensive mode.
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  Speaker 3: That was them being like you love you love Charity,
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  Speaker 3: you love Gary. Look they did it too, you hate Clayton.
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  Speaker 3: It felt like that's exactly what they were doing.
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  Speaker 2: I love getting your take on that. That is so
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  Speaker 2: so true. See overlooked in a dirty way, like you
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  Speaker 2: know how like they they totally produced Jen's finale in
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  Speaker 2: a dirty way where it was like, how could you
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  Speaker 2: do this to her? So it's almost like they did
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  Speaker 2: the opposite here where they were like too kind to him. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: because if we wanted to do him dirty, then we
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  Speaker 2: would roll the footage which they have of him on
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  Speaker 2: FaceTime with Lttia's mom being like, wrap up this sh
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  Speaker 2: now it's her.
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  Speaker 3: And him being like she said on their last chance date,
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  Speaker 3: he said, I can't wait to get engaged tomorrow.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, now aired.
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  Speaker 3: If that actually aired and the FaceTime aired, the world
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  Speaker 3: would be destroying him where now, I feel like I've
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  Speaker 3: seen a lot of people like hating on Latia. Really, yes,
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  Speaker 3: have you not seen people are like the switch up
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  Speaker 3: of the Tia was crazy. I'm like, he's lucky she
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  Speaker 3: didn't freak out on him. She thought it was her.
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  Speaker 2: She used her brain and not a lots as much
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  Speaker 2: sas as she could have. She did use SaaS but
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  Speaker 2: it was well articulated.
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  Speaker 3: She is so much class. I would have been first
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  Speaker 3: of all, me and you would have just been crying,
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  Speaker 3: like emotional message. She was in shock, and I thought
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  Speaker 3: handled herself great.
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  Speaker 2: She did, She really did, which is crazy. I love
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  Speaker 2: I love your take care. So seeing Clayton up there,
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  Speaker 2: having you been one of the ones that he said
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  Speaker 2: basically I love you too? Did he say I love
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  Speaker 2: you to you?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: And she told me I'm the first one he said
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  Speaker 3: it to an eight years So of course I also
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  Speaker 3: thought it was just I'm like, oh, it's just me,
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  Speaker 3: like you always.
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  Speaker 2: It's just you. Yeah. So how do you feel in
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  Speaker 2: Latilla's shoes having been in such similar shoes, I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I think for me, no matter what he said to me,
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  Speaker 3: I always knew there was a chance, like.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't me because he said things like I love you,
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  Speaker 2: but he didn't say you're the one stop the show.
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  Speaker 3: No, she never said that.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I just think I was so aware of like the environment,
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  Speaker 3: and I knew it could switch up. I didn't think
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  Speaker 3: it would like I really thought I was running away
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  Speaker 3: with it. But I can't imagine how she felt being
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  Speaker 3: told I love you, it's you. Yeah, like that's end game.
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  Speaker 3: Cut the tapes, he said. I think he did say
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  Speaker 3: something along the lines of that in his Fantasy Sweet interview,
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  Speaker 3: but I have no idea how she held it together.
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  Speaker 2: So well, Well, I would still love to see you
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  Speaker 2: in Bachelor and Paradise, which I know that you probably wouldn't.
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  Speaker 2: You're not gonna do That's okay, I respect it. You
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  Speaker 2: know that would have been your fourth show and you
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  Speaker 2: were a lead, so you don't want to do Bachelor
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  Speaker 2: of Paradise twice. But listen, what do you think about
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  Speaker 2: the whole adding the goldens in?
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  Speaker 3: I was going to ask you that, No.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no, nobody cares about my opinion. I already
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  Speaker 2: gave it your turn. I hate it, okay, Ah, that's
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  Speaker 2: the general consensus. It seems like people really did want
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  Speaker 2: the Goldens to have their own mingle show, but they
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  Speaker 2: didn't want it to be mixed.
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  Speaker 3: I think there is just a special thing about Golden
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  Speaker 3: and what makes it different is that it is wholesome
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  Speaker 3: and it truly is about like finding love, and it's
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  Speaker 3: such a deeper message. And I think Paradise just is messy.
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  Speaker 3: It's produced to be messy. That's why people like it,
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  Speaker 3: and I don't think watching them be messy is going
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  Speaker 3: to give me entertainment. So feel like we have to
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  Speaker 3: realize that everyone on that beach is an adult. And
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  Speaker 3: I feel like producers are looking at it like, oh, clearly,
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  Speaker 3: you know the Goldens are just gonna be interested in
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  Speaker 3: the Goldens and they're gonna do But it's like they're
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  Speaker 3: all adults, Like who knows, Like what is going to happen? Like,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. It just feels like a mess waiting
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  Speaker 3: to happen unless they are separate. I don't know. Not
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  Speaker 3: that's something bad would happen, but it just feels like
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  Speaker 3: unnecessary mess that I'm not gonna want to watch.
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  Speaker 2: I think to them, it sounds like a show that's
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  Speaker 2: enticing for people to watch who've never watched before, you're
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  Speaker 2: gonna be like, wait, there's old, older people dating on
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  Speaker 2: a beach, and it's like it's like Love Island with
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  Speaker 2: young people like, I mean, with older people like I
• 10:43
  Speaker 2: gotta check this one out. So that's I think it's
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  Speaker 2: for getting new viewers in. I mean, this sounds awful.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe this sounds awful, maybe, but I don't want them
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  Speaker 2: to like I'm tired of them stealing the younger people's
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  Speaker 2: thunder there are it. I feel like I feel like
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  Speaker 2: they're kind of just taking up space for there to
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  Speaker 2: be more bachelor young couples that, like, I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: maybe I'm obviously saying this from somebody who met my
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  Speaker 2: husband on the show.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I agree. And I also I was talking
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  Speaker 3: to someone about this last night, and I mean, if
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  Speaker 3: you look even back at me, Gabby, season, having so
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  Speaker 3: many storylines makes it not fun to watch because there's
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  Speaker 3: so many things happening. There's so many characters you can't
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  Speaker 3: keep up. It feels like there's going to be so
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  Speaker 3: much that's buried when we're going over like love story,
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  Speaker 3: love story, and then you have all these golden love stories,
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  Speaker 3: which they're going to take so much time on as well,
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  Speaker 3: like we're not gonna see anything.
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  Speaker 2: That's what Ben and I were saying, where like we
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  Speaker 2: already feel like we're having storyline problems, we're not sewing
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  Speaker 2: things up properly. That like this is just going to
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  Speaker 2: add in more like how many people are going to
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  Speaker 2: be there? Are you taking away people from the younger Beach?
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna say it's the younger beach, And we also
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  Speaker 2: don't know whether they'll be on the same beach.
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  Speaker 3: But even then, what are we going to go back
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  Speaker 3: and forth? Like just storylines Like, Okay, now we're at
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  Speaker 3: the old beach, now're at the young beach. We're gonna
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  Speaker 3: miss so much from what I want to watch, which
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  Speaker 3: is the young Beach. I want to watch the mess
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  Speaker 3: and screaming and the running up and down, Like we're
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  Speaker 3: gonna miss so much if we're going back and forth.
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  Speaker 2: We just didn't need extra in Paradise because Paradise already
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  Speaker 2: has so much extra, so many storylines that you don't
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  Speaker 2: even see because there are so many people there. I
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  Speaker 2: really like, I would have been so down for them
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  Speaker 2: to do a Golden Paradise esque thing where it's like
• 12:43
  Speaker 2: Golden and Paradise and they like go to Aspen or something,
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  Speaker 2: and like they all like live in a cabin.
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  Speaker 3: I don't even know if I would have watched that
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  Speaker 3: because it's just not wholesome.
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  Speaker 2: I feel it's like you feel like that's not wholesome.
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  Speaker 3: Do you think it's gonna be wholesome?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it could be. I think a lot
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  Speaker 2: of these people, well, like a lot of you're being
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  Speaker 2: very generous. I think they are wholesome too. But I
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  Speaker 2: also think that like they're gonna they're gonna eat up
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  Speaker 2: the drama.
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  Speaker 3: Like I know, but do people want to watch old
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  Speaker 3: people drama?
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  Speaker 2: I think that maybe they do. You don't think people. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to get Bob and because Bob and
• 13:17
  Speaker 2: Tester are coming up next, and you know they're they're
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  Speaker 2: not Golden's yet, but they're closer to them than they
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  Speaker 2: are too.
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  Speaker 3: No, I don't know, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: No in there, I'm talking about their actual physical age. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just I am so so so happy that I
• 13:35
  Speaker 3: went last year.
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  Speaker 4: That's all I'll say. Because if I was.
• 13:38
  Speaker 3: About to go when I heard this news, I'd be
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  Speaker 3: I'd be so mad. And I wonder if it is
• 13:43
  Speaker 3: gonna affect decisions of some people.
• 13:47
  Speaker 2: Are they gonna be at the same Rose ceremonies? Like
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  Speaker 2: that would be weird, now, that would be crossing a line. No, No, it's.
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  Speaker 3: Just and it's also like these like I don't know,
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  Speaker 3: it just feels like unnecessary, like everyone there as an adult,
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  Speaker 3: like who knows what lines are going to be? Like
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, Yeah, it just are uncomfortable. I would
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  Speaker 3: be you're comfortable.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Rachel, thanks for giving me your take,
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  Speaker 2: and I love that it was different than what HA
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  Speaker 2: been and I had already discussed. All Right, So we'll
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  Speaker 2: see you next thing. You the greatest, all right, We'll
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  Speaker 2: see you next time. There will always be so many
• 14:18
  Speaker 2: next times with Rachel. All Right, see you, Rachel. Trista
• 14:33
  Speaker 2: Sutter's here, guys. I need to pick up where I
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: just left off with Rachel. Racky with you right now.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: We were talking about the Golden Golden's in Paradise and
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: I said, you were like somewhere in between what in
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  Speaker 2: the age groups? What is your take on this? Like
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  Speaker 2: I need to know, like do you think she thought
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: it wasn't wholesome enough for the Goldens? And I'm like
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I think the Goldens like their drama.
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  Speaker 5: I do too.
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  Speaker 6: And actually the fact that Leslie's going to be on there,
• 15:01
  Speaker 6: like she is super excited about doing it, and I
• 15:07
  Speaker 6: feel like so part of me kind of agrees with Rachel.
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  Speaker 6: And maybe the reason one of the reasons that I
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  Speaker 6: loved Golden was because it was so wholesome.
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  Speaker 7: But I also.
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  Speaker 6: Feel that, like I'm starting to feel kind of what
• 15:24
  Speaker 6: Joan expressed on Golden Bachelor, and that was they feel invisible.
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  Speaker 6: I feel that sometimes at my age, and I feel
• 15:35
  Speaker 6: like as you get older, you just start to feel invisible.
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  Speaker 6: And they deserve love, you know, they deserve to find
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  Speaker 6: it again. And if this is a way that they
• 15:44
  Speaker 6: can do it while they're having so much fun, because
• 15:47
  Speaker 6: Gary and Leslie like social, They're super social.
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  Speaker 7: They are great.
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  Speaker 6: Television, and I think, why not, like let them not
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  Speaker 6: feel invisible and and and give us a great summer,
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  Speaker 6: you know, of entertainment.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, you're saying the exact opposite of what
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  Speaker 2: I just said. I go, I feel like they're they're
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  Speaker 2: they're they're they're stealing the younger people's thunder, Like they're
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  Speaker 2: not going to even like do why is everything Golden
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  Speaker 2: infiltrated Now.
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  Speaker 6: I think it is because it was such a success.
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  Speaker 6: You know, that's I would I would think. But you
• 16:28
  Speaker 6: know what, we'll we'll have to see because.
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  Speaker 7: It's never been done before.
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  Speaker 6: We'll have to see if people like it, if they
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  Speaker 6: actually like it, Like they might get there and be like,
• 16:37
  Speaker 6: what the hell am I doing here? Like I should
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  Speaker 6: not be here. Who knows, Like, who knows what's going
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  Speaker 6: to happen. It will all depend on the cast. And
• 16:45
  Speaker 6: it's really funny because we Bob and I just had
• 16:50
  Speaker 6: Jonathan Rohne on the podcast and I specifically asked him,
• 16:57
  Speaker 6: would you do Golden Bachelor in Paradise if it was
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  Speaker 6: a show not knowing that this was coming, like that
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  Speaker 6: this was an announcement.
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  Speaker 2: And he had just broken up with his girlfriend.
• 17:07
  Speaker 6: Yes, basically I think that he was like, I don't know,
• 17:12
  Speaker 6: you know, maybe Golden.
• 17:14
  Speaker 7: Bachelor, like if I was asked to be the Bachelor.
• 17:17
  Speaker 6: But yeah, I think I think it'll be really interesting.
• 17:21
  Speaker 6: I love the cast members that they've had. The only
• 17:25
  Speaker 6: thing that I feel is maybe a stretch is the
• 17:31
  Speaker 6: fact that they don't have a lot of cast to
• 17:33
  Speaker 6: draw from. You know, if there's only been two seasons,
• 17:37
  Speaker 6: so they don't have a lot of cast to draw from,
• 17:42
  Speaker 6: and maybe that's why they're combining it, you know.
• 17:45
  Speaker 7: And I wonder also how that's gonna work, Like.
• 17:47
  Speaker 6: Are they all going to be in the same you know,
• 17:52
  Speaker 6: like resort or whatever you guys called it, or are
• 17:56
  Speaker 6: they going to separate them and have them join together
• 17:58
  Speaker 6: like just hanging out during the day. Like I'm really
• 18:01
  Speaker 6: curious to find out what the format's going to be,
• 18:04
  Speaker 6: you know, how they're gonna do dates, if it's going
• 18:07
  Speaker 6: to be like just golden dates and then and then
• 18:09
  Speaker 6: like Zoe was up there and I'm thinking, gosh, you know,
• 18:14
  Speaker 6: there are relationships where there's a huge age gap, Like
• 18:18
  Speaker 6: maybe there's going to be a golden like non golden.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: Do you think that's their hope?
• 18:23
  Speaker 6: I mean maybe for the producers because it would get
• 18:26
  Speaker 6: people talking. I don't see it happening, but I'm just really,
• 18:31
  Speaker 6: really really curious to see a format and who's going
• 18:35
  Speaker 6: to show up and what's going to happen this summer.
• 18:39
  Speaker 6: It's actually kind of exciting and it's getting us all talking.
• 18:42
  Speaker 7: So I think that's smart.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: Who has not been announced that you would most certainly
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: like expect to see there.
• 18:51
  Speaker 7: Oh, I don't even know who's been announced.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: I would expect to see Nancy there. Well, I mean
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: I guess I always see is Leslie and Gary. Yep,
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: beat a big Gary, not no bachelor Gary. And I'm
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: just like assuming that, Oh my god, how I'm forgetting
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: her name? Who's the third woman?
• 19:10
  Speaker 7: Susan?
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no.
• 19:12
  Speaker 7: Not Susan and Cathy.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: Susan and Kathy obviously are going to be there, obviously.
• 19:16
  Speaker 7: Yeah, they'll be there for sure.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: And then and then who was it April? Why don't
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: want to April? April?
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, April.
• 19:24
  Speaker 6: I wonder if they'll bring her back because there was
• 19:25
  Speaker 6: kind of some drama it seemed like between her and
• 19:28
  Speaker 6: the other girls.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be good. And then Nancy, of course,
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: I think all the men want to see Nancy. And
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: then what about Faith Faith?
• 19:37
  Speaker 7: I love Faith. I wonder if she would do it.
• 19:42
  Speaker 6: But you know, I feel like, if they don't have
• 19:46
  Speaker 6: anything going on, it is exciting to just go hang
• 19:49
  Speaker 6: out at the beach. Hopefully it's going to be at
• 19:51
  Speaker 6: the beach this summer, and and see if there's a
• 19:57
  Speaker 6: love connection to be had. I don't know, I I
• 20:00
  Speaker 6: also think Jonathan would be great. I don't know if
• 20:04
  Speaker 6: he knew about Bachelor in Paradise when we talked to him.
• 20:08
  Speaker 6: I would love to see him on there. Oh and
• 20:10
  Speaker 6: Jonathan from Gentran season, I don't know if he's been announced.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: It's definitely been there. He's great.
• 20:16
  Speaker 7: Okay, Okay, what about like.
• 20:20
  Speaker 6: Not old school, but older school people like Mike Johnson
• 20:26
  Speaker 6: and right, like, yeah, I would love to see him definitely.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: Anyone who's single who was a bigger name back in
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: the twenty tens.
• 20:36
  Speaker 7: Yeah, right, yeah, right, no.
• 20:38
  Speaker 6: I And I'm you know, I think it'll all work
• 20:42
  Speaker 6: out as it should. But this season, I wonder about
• 20:49
  Speaker 6: Letia because there's not going to be a bachelorette.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: Well that's what I was telling Ben. I was like,
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: Latia has to be in Paradise, and he was like.
• 20:57
  Speaker 7: No, he doesn't think she'll do it.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: I think that Ben has like thing about Paradise. He
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: was never there, so I think that there's like almost
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: sort of a stigma. Event I might be wrong. He
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: should be here to answer for himself, but he says
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: he doesn't see her doing that. And I'm like, if
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: there's no Bachelor Wrette, you gotta do.
• 21:17
  Speaker 6: It right, and it's another chance to meet somebody, especially
• 21:24
  Speaker 6: if you were pretty serious.
• 21:26
  Speaker 7: And it seemed like she was pretty serious.
• 21:28
  Speaker 6: I mean, she might still be heartbroken even though she
• 21:31
  Speaker 6: seemed very solid and.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: No, she's done, she's done. That was the kind of
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: breakup where she like doesn't even have to mourn it
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: because he was, as she said, such a different person
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: than she thought he was. That like, she's like, oh, whoops,
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: I was in love with somebody who was like kind
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: of a figment of my imagination.
• 21:48
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it was heartbreaking to me, but I was like,
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: you go, like, just speak your truth. I loved. One
• 21:57
  Speaker 6: of my friends texted me and she's like, oh, oh
• 22:00
  Speaker 6: my gosh.
• 22:01
  Speaker 7: She is such a rock star.
• 22:03
  Speaker 6: And her clarity, like she really was just so clear
• 22:07
  Speaker 6: in her thought process and like her like the way
• 22:11
  Speaker 6: that she's arrested.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: Yes, I'm like why, I'm like, it's like the hand
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: of Brown moment, you know, Yeah, why can't I be
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: like that when I'm upset, Just be like boom boom boom,
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: they're my points. You can't retaliate.
• 22:26
  Speaker 7: Uh huh.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: No.
• 22:27
  Speaker 6: She was so clear and very articulate and so mature,
• 22:32
  Speaker 6: and she had all the receipts, you know, like she
• 22:35
  Speaker 6: was like, you said this, you said this, you said
• 22:38
  Speaker 6: it then then, and you said it the day before.
• 22:41
  Speaker 7: Like I don't know, I don't know. Grant and.
• 22:49
  Speaker 6: Juliana seem really happy, and I'm happy for them, and
• 22:53
  Speaker 6: I hope that it works because that's just who I am. Like,
• 22:56
  Speaker 6: I want all the couples to work out. But I
• 23:01
  Speaker 6: feel like unless Julianna doesn't watch the show, which could
• 23:05
  Speaker 6: possibly be the case because a lot of them don't
• 23:08
  Speaker 6: watch the show, I think she might have a hard
• 23:11
  Speaker 6: time with what happened between Grant and Matia.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: I was very interested. I was very interested by the
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: fact that they seemed so happy dory hunky dory when
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: they met at the end on the couch, because I
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: was assuming that they would be like, oh, we've gone
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: through it.
• 23:30
  Speaker 7: Right, you're so right.
• 23:32
  Speaker 6: I was expecting that too, and they seem really happy.
• 23:35
  Speaker 6: So I wonder if she hasn't watched the show and
• 23:38
  Speaker 6: she's just trying to stay away from the gossip and
• 23:42
  Speaker 6: people talking about it, who knows. I feel like that's
• 23:45
  Speaker 6: kind of the only way you can be successful.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: Is if you just kind of it.
• 23:52
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, look at like Dez and Chris.
• 23:56
  Speaker 7: You know, I feel like her.
• 23:58
  Speaker 6: I don't think she said it was isn't exactly the same,
• 24:01
  Speaker 6: but I feel like her, and I think it was Brooks.
• 24:04
  Speaker 6: You know there was something between them and I Chris
• 24:06
  Speaker 6: didn't watch the show and.
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: Look at them.
• 24:09
  Speaker 7: They've got three kids now, you know, very happy.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: Good good point. This almost is the most similar. That's
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: the most similar scenario that I can think to this
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: because they were just the entire time it was Brooks,
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: give me Brooks, gave me Brooks, and then it was like, no,
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: it's Chris. And I was like, oh, was that your
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: default exactly? But we now know that we know that
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: Juliana was not his default girl. No, he definitely picked her.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: But I do think that he picked her because he
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: wanted to date someone, because they said he said, I'm
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: looking to have fun now after playing basketball for like
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: my twenties, and it's like, wait a second, this is
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: what Rachel just brought up. Didn't you start this season
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: being like I am ready to be serious right now?
• 24:52
  Speaker 6: One hundred. He definitely said that, and I think that's
• 24:56
  Speaker 6: too bad. You know that he got to the end
• 24:59
  Speaker 6: and he was like, oh, well, this whole timeline like
• 25:02
  Speaker 6: like Lytia was saying, like, I told you about my
• 25:04
  Speaker 6: timeline the second week, why are you bringing it up
• 25:08
  Speaker 6: the day before?
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: It was his way of getting out of it.
• 25:11
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I bet.
• 25:13
  Speaker 6: And I wonder if like the compatibility between them in
• 25:19
  Speaker 6: you know, more intimate moments was.
• 25:24
  Speaker 7: Made him happier with Juliana.
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: Who knows.
• 25:28
  Speaker 6: Okay, maybe there was more physical compatibility between them, and
• 25:33
  Speaker 6: he realized that later on. I don't know, but if
• 25:37
  Speaker 6: I was Letia, I would be pissed too, because he
• 25:41
  Speaker 6: definitely if he said all of those things, and I
• 25:44
  Speaker 6: one hundred percent believe that he said those things to her,
• 25:48
  Speaker 6: that that is one hundred percent leading her on, like
• 25:53
  Speaker 6: and he was like, what do you think that I was?
• 25:56
  Speaker 7: Did he say leading you on or misleading? Do you
• 25:59
  Speaker 7: think that I was leading? And She's like, yes, you.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: Said let's get engaged tomorrow.
• 26:08
  Speaker 6: I know, and actually I So it's funny because Ryan
• 26:12
  Speaker 6: ended up watching the last half of the show with me,
• 26:14
  Speaker 6: or the last little part, like maybe fifteen minutes, and
• 26:20
  Speaker 6: I was like, that is why you don't tell people,
• 26:22
  Speaker 6: at least multiple people that you love them, Like you
• 26:24
  Speaker 6: don't say all of these things you have to be
• 26:26
  Speaker 6: thoughtful about what you're saying. And with Ryan and I
• 26:31
  Speaker 6: it was similar in the well the opposite. So I
• 26:34
  Speaker 6: didn't say I love you to anybody, and I waited
• 26:37
  Speaker 6: to even tell him even though I was in love
• 26:39
  Speaker 6: with him until we were standing face to face and
• 26:44
  Speaker 6: getting engaged because Alex Michelle told me two days before
• 26:50
  Speaker 6: the final Rose ceremony that he was going to pick me,
• 26:52
  Speaker 6: and so I totally went into it thinking, like Letia,
• 26:55
  Speaker 6: like I'm getting engaged today and it just breaks your heart,
• 26:59
  Speaker 6: Like as didn't tell me all of the rest of.
• 27:01
  Speaker 7: Those things that Grant told Lytia. So I don't, and
• 27:05
  Speaker 7: I don't.
• 27:06
  Speaker 6: I don't claim to know what she's going through in
• 27:09
  Speaker 6: terms of that, but I do know that it is
• 27:12
  Speaker 6: heartbreaking when you are thinking one thing that your life
• 27:15
  Speaker 6: is about to change in the best way then the
• 27:18
  Speaker 6: way that you hoped for when you started the show,
• 27:21
  Speaker 6: and then all of a sudden you're like.
• 27:24
  Speaker 7: Whoa, whoa, whoa is this reality? Like what is happening?
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: Well, he just took it a step further because now
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: on the show you're like, oh, if you say I
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: love you doesn't mean it's necessarily me because we've seen
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: it before where it's not actually that person and if
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: you are a scholar of Bachelor history and you're on
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: the show, you could know that. Yeah, and the but
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: Grant really took it a step further by saying like
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: you're the one stop the show blah blah blah, and
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: I'm like, totally they they protected him.
• 27:57
  Speaker 7: Yeah, no kidding.
• 27:58
  Speaker 6: They did not show any of that to us, just
• 28:02
  Speaker 6: until the very end. So I mean, Letia will land
• 28:06
  Speaker 6: on her feet. She is I feel like the whole package.
• 28:10
  Speaker 7: Oh yeah, my gosh. I just I love her. If
• 28:13
  Speaker 7: they were having Bachelorette she would be but never chee win.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: I felt more connected to her than I felt connected
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: to a Bachelor contestant in a while.
• 28:23
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I loved her.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: Maybe I guess Joey. I guess we all like Joey. Actually,
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: I liked Joey on Charity season was great, Yeah, but
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: I didn't like wasn't like obsessed with it, Like, of
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: course not suss with Joey, but like I didn't think.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: I didn't think like, wow, this is a great Bachelor
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: character until he was like announced as the lead. Then
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: he like had that haircut and like kind of a
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: glow up and he was, and everybody was making like
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: the tiktoks about it, and I was like, Oh, I
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: love what he's doing for the franchise, and I feel
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: like I love what Latilla has done for me. Is
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: a your as well. Finally somebody who I'm like, no, girl,
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: you rock. You find someone really really deserving of you.
• 29:06
  Speaker 6: Yes, she deserves it. And I really really really hope
• 29:11
  Speaker 6: that she opens up her heart again because when she
• 29:13
  Speaker 6: said that, I've never said I love you to anybody
• 29:15
  Speaker 6: I've ever been in a relationship with, because I feel
• 29:18
  Speaker 6: like it opens the doors to me being hurt or
• 29:21
  Speaker 6: it's more likely that I'm going to be hurt or
• 29:23
  Speaker 6: that's going to be taken away from me. Oh. It
• 29:26
  Speaker 6: broke my heart because I was like, she just opened
• 29:30
  Speaker 6: up and did this, and then she got her heart broken.
• 29:33
  Speaker 6: So I really really hope that that doesn't dissuade her
• 29:36
  Speaker 6: from opening her heart again.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah. All right, Well we have Bob coming on next.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: Is there anything that you think that Bob would be
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: especially wonderful at talking about recording this episode.
• 29:47
  Speaker 6: I think the Golden stuff for sure, because he's met
• 29:50
  Speaker 6: a lot of those people you know with you or
• 29:53
  Speaker 6: you know, I don't. I don't know that you were there,
• 29:55
  Speaker 6: but I feel like he's met a bunch of the
• 29:57
  Speaker 6: Golden people, so I think he'll have a good insight
• 30:03
  Speaker 6: into how that's going to go down. And I think
• 30:07
  Speaker 6: he'll he'll speak his mind when it comes to how
• 30:09
  Speaker 6: he feels about Golden Bachelor in Paradise just in general,
• 30:13
  Speaker 6: you know, yeah.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, alrighty, thanks Trista. We're going to get him on now,
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: talk about I know he'll be so good. Oh yeah, Trista,
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: thank you so much for all of your thoughts.
• 30:25
  Speaker 7: Of course, thanks for having me.
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: Bob.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: Hello there, Well, hi, Hi, how are you?
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: I am great? How are you doing today?
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: I'm doing fine. I wanted to ask you because Trista
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: told me that you would have some interesting insight into
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: this announcement that Paradise is going golden.
• 30:46
  Speaker 8: So yes, I'm actually very excited about this, and I think,
• 30:53
  Speaker 8: you know, I've had some conversations with people where they
• 30:56
  Speaker 8: think it could be a little gross.
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: I think it could be a little awesome, you know.
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: I mean, I love the building cast.
• 31:04
  Speaker 8: I spent a lot of time with them, and I
• 31:06
  Speaker 8: feel like there's a couple of people there in particular
• 31:08
  Speaker 8: who will be really fun and make it very memorable.
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: So you know, I don't know. I mean, what are
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: your thoughts on it?
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: Well, my thoughts are probably unpopular. I just like, I
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: don't want more, I don't want time taking away from
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: the Traditional Paradise. I would have liked a totally separate
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: Golden Golden in Paradise. Yeah, or at least like a
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: separate show. So we have two hours of Traditional Paradise
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: and then like an hour of Golden Paradise. That'd be
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: fun on a different day. Usually it's like Monday and Tuesday.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: So I'm down for that. Do you see there being
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: a possible problem with like there being a crossover couple?
• 31:47
  Speaker 8: Wait a minute, are you telling me that they're going
• 31:49
  Speaker 8: to have Goldens on the same season with the traditional.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: Oh, I thought it was going to be all Goldens.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: No, no, no.
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: Oh boy, Young Young and there's a crossover couple.
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: What in the world.
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Okay, now I'm bothered.
• 32:11
  Speaker 8: No, I wouldn't say that I'm bothered, but now I'm like,
• 32:14
  Speaker 8: I'm a little taken aback.
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: Okay, I'm a little little taken aback. That's interesting, that's interesting.
• 32:21
  Speaker 8: Okay, now I see why why there's uh, I see
• 32:25
  Speaker 8: why there's.
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: The apprehension now, all right, So.
• 32:28
  Speaker 8: Yes, I can see the apprehension. I don't foresee a
• 32:32
  Speaker 8: crossover couple. I foresee everybody staying in their lane.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: It could be across flirting.
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I could see that.
• 32:40
  Speaker 8: A couple of the a couple of the you know,
• 32:42
  Speaker 8: the golden guys will probably flirt with everybody, right, especially
• 32:45
  Speaker 8: if they cast a few people on there.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: I could see that double standard. It'll be sort of
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: sweet to see if the younger guys are flirting with
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: the older ladies, but it would be so creepy to
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: see the older guy looking at the younger women.
• 33:02
  Speaker 8: Yeah, there's gonna need to be some camp counseling prior
• 33:06
  Speaker 8: to arriving to that island, and it's gonna have to
• 33:09
  Speaker 8: be like, okay, guys, look, stay in your lane, don't
• 33:12
  Speaker 8: be that creepy grandpa. And then you know, all right,
• 33:16
  Speaker 8: young young dudes, you can be flirty and fun, but
• 33:20
  Speaker 8: don't go you know, don't.
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, be ridiculous. I don't know. It's gonna be interesting.
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: It's definitely gonna be interesting. Now that. Wow, I totally
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: misunderstood what was happening here.
• 33:31
  Speaker 8: Oh my God, Okay, I got a whole new reboot
• 33:35
  Speaker 8: on my thought process, I was thinking full golden Paradise,
• 33:38
  Speaker 8: and I thought that'd be awesome. And then but I
• 33:40
  Speaker 8: also thought, like you were saying, like a conventional paradise
• 33:43
  Speaker 8: or dare we say, a younger paradise as well. And
• 33:45
  Speaker 8: so that's kind of what I was thinking, was two
• 33:48
  Speaker 8: separate shows running at the same time. I didn't realize
• 33:50
  Speaker 8: that they'd be running at the same place at the
• 33:52
  Speaker 8: same time that that could be interesting.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: It's it's unclear how they will handle where, who's day where,
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: and it'll be at a new resort. So what's your
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: general takeaway.
• 34:05
  Speaker 8: You know, I mean, okay, I feel I watched I
• 34:10
  Speaker 8: watched an episode that you invented recently about your thoughts
• 34:14
  Speaker 8: on I'm not really feeling like you've gotten to know
• 34:17
  Speaker 8: this bachelor. And I feel the same way like I
• 34:19
  Speaker 8: feel like i'm sort of I feel like I like them,
• 34:22
  Speaker 8: I like what I know, but I don't feel like
• 34:24
  Speaker 8: I'm not to that next level where I feel like
• 34:26
  Speaker 8: I know this dude, super nice guy yep. And so
• 34:30
  Speaker 8: I'm hopeful, you know, I'm hopeful about this one that
• 34:32
  Speaker 8: it all works out and and you know, I mean
• 34:35
  Speaker 8: I was. I was hoping for that union. I was
• 34:38
  Speaker 8: hoping for the two of them to end up together.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: You were hoping for Juliana.
• 34:42
  Speaker 8: I actually was, yeah, And I know I think I was.
• 34:45
  Speaker 8: I was a rarity there as well, right, because everyone's
• 34:48
  Speaker 8: sort of but see, here's my here's my thought process.
• 34:50
  Speaker 8: Like I feel like, you know, what's old is new again, right,
• 34:54
  Speaker 8: And what The Bachelor did on this particular season was,
• 34:57
  Speaker 8: I think was what they used to do back in
• 34:58
  Speaker 8: the early seasons, where they always make you think the
• 35:01
  Speaker 8: runner up is going to be your you know, the
• 35:05
  Speaker 8: final Rose recipient, and so you buy it's by everything
• 35:10
  Speaker 8: that you're watching on the show. You're like, oh, it's
• 35:11
  Speaker 8: obviously going to be Letia, Whereas I, on the other hand,
• 35:14
  Speaker 8: was like, I feel like this is an old school
• 35:15
  Speaker 8: bait and switch move they're doing to me. I think
• 35:17
  Speaker 8: Juliana is the one that he's vibing with, and they're
• 35:20
  Speaker 8: trying to make me think it's the other one l
• 35:23
  Speaker 8: And so I was sort of like banking on Juliana,
• 35:27
  Speaker 8: and I do think they have like, you know, here's
• 35:30
  Speaker 8: what's going to be tough, right, is that every season
• 35:33
  Speaker 8: and we know of one in particular very well. That
• 35:36
  Speaker 8: ends with the guy saying he loves both women.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: He's already done his rant about it today.
• 35:41
  Speaker 8: Yes, yes, yes, but I understand it, like I really
• 35:44
  Speaker 8: do understand it, and I don't think people who don't
• 35:47
  Speaker 8: go through a show like this could possibly understand it
• 35:51
  Speaker 8: that how is it at the end of the season,
• 35:52
  Speaker 8: I end up saying I love you to two different people.
• 35:55
  Speaker 8: I will say on my season, I definitely had very
• 35:58
  Speaker 8: strong feelings for both of my final too, and so
• 36:00
  Speaker 8: I almost did the opposite, Whereas you know, because of
• 36:04
  Speaker 8: my fear of emotional commitment at that time, I like
• 36:07
  Speaker 8: put the brakes on completely and didn't propose to anybody.
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: Right was that the right answer? I don't know.
• 36:12
  Speaker 8: But you see these people that go through this experience,
• 36:14
  Speaker 8: and at the end of it, they're like sitting there,
• 36:16
  Speaker 8: really torn between two people, and it doesn't seem like
• 36:20
  Speaker 8: that should be the case that anyone would have that
• 36:22
  Speaker 8: kind of feeling. But when they do, you know, and
• 36:25
  Speaker 8: then they make their decision, I feel like maybe that
• 36:29
  Speaker 8: gives them a better chance of you know, they they've
• 36:32
  Speaker 8: been through a little bit of trial and tribulation. They
• 36:34
  Speaker 8: had to make a decision that wasn't obvious. And you know,
• 36:36
  Speaker 8: I mean I always think about for me, you know,
• 36:39
  Speaker 8: I mean I was unlucky in love until my wife now.
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: And you know, I when we first were.
• 36:45
  Speaker 8: Together, I remember thinking, well, this is just gonna be
• 36:47
  Speaker 8: casual because I don't I don't want this, you know,
• 36:49
  Speaker 8: to I don't want to be in a serious relationship.
• 36:51
  Speaker 8: And you know, the whole time, like jokingly, twelve years
• 36:54
  Speaker 8: later with two children, and she's always like, yeah, we
• 36:56
  Speaker 8: got two casual kids. We spent twelve casual years. You know,
• 36:59
  Speaker 8: she mess with me. But you know, sometimes I feel
• 37:02
  Speaker 8: like maybe people go through that challenge early and then
• 37:06
  Speaker 8: they end up on the other side of it and
• 37:07
  Speaker 8: they're so thankful they went through it, you know. And
• 37:10
  Speaker 8: I mean, I don't know, I think that there's something
• 37:12
  Speaker 8: to it. I don't know, if you're outside of the
• 37:14
  Speaker 8: circumstance of the Bachelor, Aura, does that argument stand. No,
• 37:19
  Speaker 8: it doesn't, but you know, in these circumstances, maybe it does. Bob.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: I appreciate that perspective because it is different than what
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: us ladies have been talking about earlier in the episode.
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: So thank you for that, and I get it.
• 37:30
  Speaker 8: I think I think if I'm a lady and this
• 37:32
  Speaker 8: dude is told and I have to watch this finale
• 37:35
  Speaker 8: where I know I'm going to be the one with
• 37:37
  Speaker 8: the ring at the end of this thing. And I
• 37:38
  Speaker 8: see him telling another girl the same thing he told me,
• 37:41
  Speaker 8: I would lose my mind.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Bob, thanks for joining us. We're gonna get Susie
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: on here next and awesome. See we'll see her take
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: on all of this.
• 37:51
  Speaker 8: I'm excited to hear it. Thank you for having me, Ashley,
• 37:53
  Speaker 8: always a pleasure.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: Joy Mexico. Bye, Nah, Susie Evans is joining us. Now, Susie,
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: you were the winner of a season in which the
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: lead said I love you to multiple people, led on
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: multiple people. You might want to say, how does it
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: feel being in Juliana's shoes?
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: Now?
• 38:22
  Speaker 8: Oh?
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: I had so much empathy for her last night and
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: compassion for both of them because it was just it
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: was so sad to watch here because you're like watching
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: Letia go through this and you're like rooting for her
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: and you're like, grand so worse, Oh my god, how
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: did he do this? And then you see that he
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: also like has this strong relationship with Juliana and he
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: loves her too, and that she's this beautiful, kind person
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: and like she just yeah, it's so it's so complicated.
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: It feels like it feels like shit. If I'm being honest,
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: like I remember that feeling, and it's like, Okay, nobody
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: wants to celebrate us. Nobody wants to, you know, embrace us,
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: like we came off and we felt Me and Clayton
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: felt like the rejects of like Bachelor Nation for a
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: long time, to be honest, and it's like it's a
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: really hard position to be in, but it's tough. I'm like,
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: I just sent to your message before getting on here,
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: like you did amazing and you know I'm here for you.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: Oh that's sweet, because yeah, that's my issue. It's like
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Julianna, have absolutely nothing against you. I'm just
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: not thinking about you today. I'm just thinking about let
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: yeah I know.
• 39:32
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: That was like the press little press thing we did
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: after our season. Every it's like we joined. It's like, okay,
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: we're the happy couple and it's like so Gabby and
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: Rachel and I was like, oh no, we're not going
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: to talk about Clayton. I okay, cool, coo cool, Like
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: it's it really is like you know, that's just how
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: it goes for in these scenarios. Specifically, I think.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm, you saw Clayton last night. You were in
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: the audience.
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we sat like kitty corner to each other's
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: right behind me.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: How U how long has it been since you guys
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: saw each other?
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: I think I saw him last summer.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: Okay, So it's not like super awkward if you guys
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: get put together in a moment like that.
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: We talked so much shit. Literally, the producers were like, hey, like,
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: is Clayton's going to be there? I don't know, And
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: they texted him and I was like, oh my god,
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: no worries. And he wrote back, was like she's the worst.
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: Don't sit here by me. And they're like, oh god,
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: what's gonna happen. He's like, you guys, I'm kidding. We're fine.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: That's hilarious. Yeah. So what do you think about the
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: fact that they seemingly I want to say that they
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: kind of they protected they protected Grant by like having
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: a panel with Clayton on there, just just to kind
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: of show like, hey, guys, this happens. Sometimes people are
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: really confused at the end and they say, I love
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: you to two people. And then they also didn't show
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: us a lot of the times that Grant had said
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: really affirming things to Latia.
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: I know, well that's the hard part because as as
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: much as I do want to celebrate Grant and Juliana,
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: I also am like realistically it felt messed up like
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: watching it and it's just really complicated. But I do
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: have a lot of compassion because I know, like first hand,
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: I read Clayton's journal. He literally sat down and he
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: like like showed me the pages of his journal where
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: he like genuinely thought he was in love with three
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: people and was so confused. And so I obviously don't
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: know the position Grant was, and it seemed like he
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: was like Julia or you know, all in on Latia,
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: and then it seemed like there was a switch up.
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: I don't know, but I think the show, I mean
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: to an extent, I feel like people didn't embrace this
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: season entirely, which I feel like Clayton went through that
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: same thing, where like from the get go, like people
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: weren't really like into it, and you have to have
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: something to root for, and we don't have a Bachelorette season,
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: so we don't so Latia is just going out into
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: the world right now, so it's like you got to
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: root for somebody, so they're really like they have to
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: do something. And I think Grant is a good person.
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: He I do just think he was confused. So I think, yeah,
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: I think the panel was a good idea because it
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: is true even like Charity, who I think is like
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: so respected and so like she's, you know, just this
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: great person in bacheloration that people like look to and
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: are like, oh, she's like her relationship is working. She's
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: a good human. But she told to people that she
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: loved them too, and she's like it is very confusing
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: when you get to the end.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: I know, I know, I just feel like it was
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: I know that I feel like a broken record. We've
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: been recapping this episode for like two hours now, and
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: I just keep coming back to the fact that like Clayton,
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: even he was a very flawed bachelor, but he seemed
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: to be like racked over his decision making, and like,
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: you know, we had like these huge emotional moments from him. Yeah,
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: and with Grant, it was just kind of like, Okay,
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: here's my decision. It was hard. Yeah, we didn't we
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: didn't get a lot of emotion from Grant.
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: I yeah, you know what. I thought that too. I
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: felt like there wasn't a jump the fence. He wasn't
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: saying I'm so broken we didn't get sat But I
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: will say, and this is just me looking at the
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: at his face. He looked sick to his stomach the
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: last like two episodes, I know, and like every time
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: I would see him, I was just like, he either
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: has a stomach bug or like he has major anxieties.
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: I was like, I've been there and I know that feeling,
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: because his face just looked like he just looked unwell.
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: Even when he was like talking to both the girls,
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: I was like, he doesn't look good. But I don't
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: know if that's because he was like so stressed about it.
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: But yeah, we never saw this emotional breakdown. But then
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: I'm also like, some people aren't like that.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: It's probably what it was. He probably very vocal about
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: his anxieties.
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: That's true, but I know, I mean, you're a crier.
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: I'm a crier. I'm a baby, so it's like I
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: can't relate. I'm like I would literally be in shambles.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: Maybe that's why I'm so weirded out. By it. Yeah,
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: it keeps it all in. I can't really Susie any
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: final thoughts about this season.
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: Oh man, I guess just like my thoughts are like
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: to everybody, I'm like, be kind. It's like, it is
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: so hard to be in that position. It really is
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: so hard to be on such a public platform and
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: not feel like people want to celebrate you or your love.
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: And like, yeah, you know, I hope that it's the
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: right they're the right match, you never know, but if
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: nothing else, I hope that they're both okay and that
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: people are nice to them online for the most part.
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: You know, you can give Grant a little bit of
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: a hard time, but like, but don't give Juliana anything.
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: She's she's apposed.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: Yes, Juliana is one percent out of this equation. It's
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: glad that they're moving to Boston to be close to
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: her family because I just think that was a non negotiable.
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: I love that.
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I would love a follow up with her
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: dad to see like what he really thinks after watching this.
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's painful, I'm sure.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all righty Well, thank you Susie, and thank you
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: to everybody on this panel, and thank you all out
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: there for listening to us recap Grant season, and up
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: next we have Actulor in Paradise, which, Susie, are you
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: going to be there with Justin?
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: Oh gosh, we'll throw Clayton in too, why not, let's all.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: Both of them. I know that you and Clayton won't. Ever,
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: that's not a reconcilable path. I don't think that I
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: with Justin. I think that would be some big emotions there.
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: I'd be sick to my stomach. Yeah, I got I
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: think everyone has big decisions to make.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: I'm sure, and I think I'll see you all there.
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: You think so?
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah? I think so, all of you, all three of us,
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: all three of you.
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: It's X on the Beach.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: I like that already. Yeah, let's call it Bachelor of
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: Paradise meets X on the Beach. See you guys, bye.
• 46:07
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