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Credlin | 2 October · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Those boys are crazy. I'd rather poke my eye out
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Speaker 2: with a sharp stick. That listened to Kamala Harris Getting evening,
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Speaker 2: Welcome to the program. Here's what's coming up tonight on Kredline.
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Speaker 2: Serious concerns mounting regarding Beijing, first claims of economic coercion
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Speaker 2: with the BHP stout the Mighty Giant reportedly warning the
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Speaker 2: government that a Chinese ban on iron oi iron ore
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Speaker 2: is a ploy to drive down prices.
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Speaker 3: That's coming up.
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Speaker 2: Then to Victoria, where the Foreign Investment Review Board is
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Speaker 2: probing serious national security concerns around the nine billion dollar
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Speaker 2: suburban rail loop and a consortium including a Chinese own
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Speaker 2: company involved in that one. We'll speak to an expert
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Speaker 2: other latter last year. Another report today that paused cold
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Speaker 2: water on Australia's renewables roll out.
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Speaker 3: It warns that the.
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Speaker 2: Belief Australia can decarbonize its economy is based on miss conviction.
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Speaker 3: A lot of detail here. One of the authors will
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Speaker 3: join me.
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Speaker 2: And finally, after days of silence, just Inta Allen's spoken
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Speaker 2: publicly about revelations that a biological man is serving jail
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Speaker 2: time in a woman's prison. But despite the fact that
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Speaker 2: she's the boss, she's the premier, she refuses to take
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Speaker 2: any responsibility for the state's prison system.
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Speaker 4: I'm not going to comment on individual circumstances of individual
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Speaker 4: prisoners across the correction's victorious system.
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Speaker 2: I want to talk about women in leadership. That's the
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Speaker 2: lack there of it. I'll come back to that at
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Speaker 2: the moment. But first, For years now, more and more
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Speaker 2: Australian universities have been hosting more and more foreign students,
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Speaker 2: but today it seems as a new milestone. Sydney University,
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Speaker 2: our oldest and one of our most prestigious centers of learning,
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Speaker 2: now officially has more foreign students than domestic ones. That's right,
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Speaker 2: They're more foreigners studying at Sydney UNI than there are
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Speaker 2: young Australians now. It's a common lament that the university
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Speaker 2: experience today.
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Speaker 3: Is not what it used to be.
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Speaker 2: Most students need part time jobs to get through. Most
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Speaker 2: lectures now are only online tutorials where you were once
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Speaker 2: encouraged to argue with the tutor and your fellow students.
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Speaker 2: They hardly exist anymore. Many discussion topics too, that used
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Speaker 2: to be commonplace in my day and our taboo because
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Speaker 2: of the risk of triggering students or the fear sadly
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Speaker 2: justified by some that if you were to disagree with
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Speaker 2: the accepted dogma on climate race, gender, let's say, you
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Speaker 2: would be punished and likely fail the subject. Much of
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Speaker 2: the change where seeing's been driven by ideological capture and
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Speaker 2: simple greed, and that's been made worse by our complete
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Speaker 2: reliance on overseas student numbers to prop up our tertiary
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Speaker 2: sector and the budgets of our governments. In nineteen eighty,
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Speaker 2: for instance, City Universe had just twenty thousand students, not anymore.
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Speaker 2: The federal Education departments just released figures showing that last
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Speaker 2: year Sidney UNI had almost eighty thousand students and nearly
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Speaker 2: forty thousand of them were on shore international students thirty
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Speaker 2: nine seven hundred and just thirty five thousand, seven hundred
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Speaker 2: were Australian students. And while Sydney UNI has the largest
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Speaker 2: percentage of foreign students, other universities not far behind. The
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Speaker 2: University of New South Wales forty six percent of its
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Speaker 2: enrollment is from overseas, Melbourne UNI forty three percent. At
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Speaker 2: the A and U in Canberra forty percent, the University
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Speaker 2: of Queensland thirty nine percent, Adelaide University thirty three percent.
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Speaker 2: Now these are all the Sandstone eight, our most elite
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Speaker 2: nationally thirty one percent of all the university students studying
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Speaker 2: locally from overseas, and of the seven hundred thousand overseas
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Speaker 2: students currently in Australia, but far the biggest cohorts are
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Speaker 2: from China twenty three percent and India seventeen percent.
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Speaker 3: Yet we know from.
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Speaker 2: Government reports like the recent Jobs and Skills Australia Support
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Speaker 2: we cover here that report on Monday night, that most
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Speaker 2: of these foreign students are not simply here from education.
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Speaker 2: They choose Australia because of what adviys them not just
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Speaker 2: a degree, but a backdoor way to live here permanently.
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Speaker 2: Now understand this. We don't sell an education in this country,
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Speaker 2: despite what the government and the universities try and tell you.
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Speaker 2: We sell a migration outcome wrapped up in a cap
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Speaker 2: and gown. And it's about time everyone was honest. I
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Speaker 2: know the Prime Minister wants to say that we offer
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Speaker 2: the world's best education, but frankly I think that's a
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Speaker 2: croc given that only six universities make it into the
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Speaker 2: Times Higher Education Top one hundred, and only one, my
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Speaker 2: old stumping ground in Melbourne UNI even makes it into
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Speaker 2: the top fifty. And here's why this explosion in overseas
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Speaker 2: students matter. First of all, our universities are far too
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Speaker 2: dependent on the cash cow of foreign students. In twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty three, City University earned one point five billion dollars,
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Speaker 2: or over forty percent of its total revenue from foreign students.
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Speaker 2: But don't expect the people who run the universities to
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Speaker 2: speak out against this because it's this cash that enables
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Speaker 2: them to pay themselves multi million dollar salaries.
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Speaker 3: What else is a concern.
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Speaker 2: Secondly, the preponderance of students, especially in some courses, to
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Speaker 2: come from non English speaking backgrounds, and that's leading to
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Speaker 2: an explosion of group rather than individual assessments, and the
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Speaker 2: argument is that that is reducing the academic quality of
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Speaker 2: our institutions. Just ask a UNI student about this and
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Speaker 2: they'll let rip because they know what's going on. They
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Speaker 2: know that the native English speaker is probably being put
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Speaker 2: into these groups so that foreign students in the groups
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Speaker 2: as well are helped to get over the mark. The
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Speaker 2: statistics show how many foreign students are likely to be
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Speaker 2: struggling with English. In twenty twenty one, thirty five percent
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Speaker 2: of students at Sydney were from non English speaking backgrounds.
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Speaker 2: The third concern here is a real one. This is
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Speaker 2: a security risk of so many international students in our
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Speaker 2: universities that have grants to do work in critical areas.
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Speaker 2: Think about cybersecurity here or defense work. Indeed, at twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty four, New South Wales Order to General's report said
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Speaker 2: that Chinese enrollments accounted for some seventy eight cent of
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Speaker 2: Sydney University's international education revenue. Now what's got to happen
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Speaker 2: here is a radical rethink of how we run our
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Speaker 2: universities and who attends them. Because when we have a
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Speaker 2: drastic shortage of skilled trades and yet an oversupply of
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Speaker 2: UNI students who struggle to get a job when they
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Speaker 2: leave saddled with a massive hex debt, we know that
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Speaker 2: we have a system that's fundamentally broken. But unless we
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Speaker 2: did couple the money from the universities, and by that
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Speaker 2: I mean the foreign student migration money scam, we will
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Speaker 2: never have an honest debate. After all, what's the point
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Speaker 2: of universities that have become vehicles for what amounts to
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Speaker 2: be an immigration racket at the same time as they're
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Speaker 2: losing their mission to train our best and brightest to
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Speaker 2: think critically and push back the frontiers of knowledge. Finally, today,
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Speaker 2: after three days of hiding away in her office, Victorian
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Speaker 2: Premier just Into Alan finally faced the media after news
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Speaker 2: broke about the biological male pedophile who identifies as a
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Speaker 2: woman being housed in a Melbourne women's prison. Not that
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Speaker 2: she took any responsibility for that, though.
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Speaker 5: A pedophile of whom molested his own daughter is being
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Speaker 5: kept in a female prison.
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Speaker 3: How do you justify that.
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Speaker 4: I'm not going to comment on individual circumstances of individual
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Speaker 4: prisoners across the Correction's Victoria.
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Speaker 5: System, but do you think it's safe the.
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Speaker 4: Placement of prisoners is one that is governed by Corrections Victoria.
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Speaker 4: I think it would be deeply inappropriate for any member
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Speaker 4: of Parliament, Minister or Premier of the day to be
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Speaker 4: reaching in to Corrections Victoria and directing the placement of
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Speaker 4: any prisoner across the prison system.
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Speaker 3: So let's be clear.
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Speaker 4: There are strict and clear guidelines within which Corrections Victoria operate,
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Speaker 4: and that includes the safety and wellbeing of all prisoners.
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Speaker 4: When it comes to the placement of individual prisoners, It's not.
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Speaker 2: A Corrections Victoria's system. It's a part of a government department.
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Speaker 2: I said this the other night. This is a government
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Speaker 2: that funds Victorian prisons. This is a government that decides
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Speaker 2: what a premier that decides what prison policy is. This
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Speaker 2: is a premier that hires and fires the senior officials
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Speaker 2: that run prisons in Victoria. The current Corrections Victoria Commissioner
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Speaker 2: is a woman called Larissa Strong. She runs prisons in Victoria.
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Speaker 2: And Larissa Strong was appointed to that job under Daniel
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Speaker 2: Andrews in June twenty twenty. Now, how dare jain to Allan,
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Speaker 2: who was then Dan's deputy, try and pretend that this
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Speaker 2: has nothing to do with her or her government? How
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Speaker 2: dares she try and wash her hands of this appalling
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Speaker 2: decision to put a father who abused his little five
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Speaker 2: year old girl in a present with women, many of them, yes,
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Speaker 2: they are convicted of crimes, but are vulnerable and themselves
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Speaker 2: victims of abuse. There must be no men in women's prisons,
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Speaker 2: No biological men, regardless of the crime, not just sex crimes.
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Speaker 2: No men whatsoever, transitioning or not. No means no Premier,
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Speaker 2: no men ever.
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Speaker 3: Tell you what.
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Speaker 2: We're going to keep this fight up, ladies and the
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Speaker 2: good men behind us as well. Let's head to camera
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Speaker 2: now for tonight's political headlines. Sky News political reporter Ribbon Spargo.
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Speaker 1: Papa New Guinea has approved a landmark defense treaty with Australia.
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Speaker 1: The deal we'll see. The two countries agreed to defend
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Speaker 1: each other in the event of a military attack. The
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Speaker 1: treaty was due to be signed during the Prime Minister's
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Speaker 1: visit to PNG last month. The Albanezi government is not
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Speaker 1: planning to intervene in the dispute between BHP and China
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Speaker 1: over iron ore. That's despite a potential hit to the
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Speaker 1: budget bottom line.
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Speaker 6: This is a commercial negotiation, so that's where things stand.
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Speaker 1: Industry analysts believe Beijing and post a temporary ban on
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Speaker 1: BHP's iron ore to test whether its approach will secure
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Speaker 1: a better price. Palestine Action Group supporters are planning to
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Speaker 1: march on the Sydney Opera House on October twelve. That's
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Speaker 1: only days after the anniversary of the October seven attacks
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Speaker 1: on Israel.
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Speaker 5: This is two years on and too many inner people
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Speaker 5: have been slaughtered and staffed.
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Speaker 2: This group is clearly wanting to celebrate the rape of women,
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Speaker 2: the murder of babies.
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Speaker 1: The group is calling for a mediate sanctions on the
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Speaker 1: Israeli government. Opposition leader Susan Lee is condemning the planned protest,
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Speaker 1: calling it disgusting.
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Speaker 2: All right, you can see there's a lot to get across.
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Speaker 2: Joining me now, Sky News contributor Caroli at Katsimbannas and
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Speaker 2: our political reporter out of camb Cam Reddan. We'll start
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Speaker 2: with that protest there. We've just referenced it. It will
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Speaker 2: be in and around the two year anniversary of the
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Speaker 2: October seven attacks.
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Speaker 3: Is a pro palace? Did it in?
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Speaker 2: I have to call that also a pro hummus sort
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Speaker 2: of rally. What's been the political response.
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Speaker 7: Can well to so undergrade, Peter. There is an element
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Speaker 7: of caution waiting for this police decision. I've spoken again
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Speaker 7: to New South Wales Police in the last few minutes
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Speaker 7: because remember the way that this happens is whoever wants
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Speaker 7: to hold a process to go through all the box
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Speaker 7: sticking exercises, they have to first submit an application to
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Speaker 7: try and get it legally approved. There's then a decision
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Speaker 7: made about whether or not it can go ahead in
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Speaker 7: any form, and there's still been no decision on that front,
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Speaker 7: so at this stage police is still viewing their application,
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Speaker 7: will see whether or not they're allowed to go ahead
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Speaker 7: in the first place. But Peter, we've seen the Coalition,
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Speaker 7: as you would expect today, raise concern about any protest
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Speaker 7: around this which has the potential in their view, to
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Speaker 7: get out of hands as other ones. We've seen laws
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Speaker 7: changed in New South Wales too, remember particularly thinking about
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Speaker 7: New South Wales in this case given those scenes around
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Speaker 7: the opera House. But laws have changed now about what
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Speaker 7: canon can't be allowed at these protests, particularly around the
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Speaker 7: sort of symbols or flags that can be waived. So
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Speaker 7: Chrisman's the Premier today not getting ahead of that police decision.
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Speaker 7: But you'd expect if that verdict is from the police
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Speaker 7: to not let this protest go ahead, and they decide
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Speaker 7: to any way, well then we've seen how that tends
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Speaker 7: to turn out in the past. It's a real problem
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Speaker 7: for police but also for the politicians to handle that.
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Speaker 2: We know of course that they are likely to take
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Speaker 2: it to court on appeal, that's what happened last time.
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Speaker 2: But just quickly Caroly I want to get into some
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Speaker 2: other issues and where we talk about this now for
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Speaker 2: a number of days. But of course what staggers me,
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Speaker 2: where are the protests now for their mates in Gaza
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Speaker 2: to tell Hamas to take the peace steal that's on
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Speaker 2: the table. There are no protests now in Australia. All
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Speaker 2: these cheer squad people for Palestine, they are not protesting
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Speaker 2: to tell you know, their supporter base accept this deal,
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Speaker 2: end this war. They are the ones now that are
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Speaker 2: protracting the misery.
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Speaker 3: That's exactly right, Peter.
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Speaker 5: I mean, I haven't seen any leftist person, anybody from
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Speaker 5: pro Palestinian organizations actually look at the peace deal that
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Speaker 5: has been proposed by Donald Trump. It has been accepted
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Speaker 5: by many in Qatar, and we are just waiting to
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Speaker 5: see what will actually happen. But the thing is they're
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Speaker 5: actually not interested in it. They have a vested interest
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Speaker 5: in keeping this going. And our government has not covered
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Speaker 5: itself in glory by doing what it has done and
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Speaker 5: allowing this to continue to fester. And you know what,
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Speaker 5: it's Yom Kapor at the moment. How horrific is that
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Speaker 5: it's one of the most holiest days in the Jewish calendar.
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Speaker 5: And they've got all this to deal with yet again,
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Speaker 5: stirring up everything that would have happened a couple of
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Speaker 5: years ago.
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Speaker 3: Shocking.
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Speaker 2: Let's go now to the fural that's now erupted over
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Speaker 2: triple zero. If we're angry before, by god, we're angry
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Speaker 2: now because and I mentioned this last week the report,
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Speaker 2: the inquiry report into the last Optus outage eighteen recommendations.
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Speaker 2: Only twelve adopted what was missing, and I think this
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Speaker 2: is the number one recommendation Caroly critically was a way
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Speaker 2: to stop it happening again, and it sat on the
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Speaker 2: government's desk. This is the revelations we now know. It
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Speaker 2: wasn't on its way to being done, it wasn't awaiting
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Speaker 2: technical advice, it was completely disregarded and when put under
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Speaker 2: pressure today the Minister Arnica Wells wants to blame her inexperience.
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Speaker 3: Have a listen.
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Speaker 8: I'm still a new minister to the industry, so I
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Speaker 8: would say I'm listening to everybody at the moment, and
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Speaker 8: I would say that we are fast tracking our triple
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Speaker 8: zero Guardian legislation that will give confidence to Australians about
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Speaker 8: the specific role that triple zero plays for us in
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Speaker 8: our country with disaster season ahead.
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Speaker 2: Well, hang on, she might be new to the portfolio.
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Speaker 2: I would say she's been there six months. She's not
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Speaker 2: a new minister. She's been in cabinet a long long time.
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Speaker 2: This Inquirer report landed in twenty twenty three. This is
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Speaker 2: an alban Ezi government report. It's her government, her cabinet
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Speaker 2: that has sat on that report. This is a big
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Speaker 2: mess for Labour now, not just Optus.
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Speaker 5: They're always after somebody to blame the Albanezi government. It's
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Speaker 5: always somebody else's fault. You're quite right, Anaica Wells. Where
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Speaker 5: she wasn't a new minister to be able to go
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Speaker 5: to the United Nations? Was she with the social media laws?
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Speaker 5: But she's suddenly a new minister. Three people have lost
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Speaker 5: their lives. This is reminding me of the Pink Bats fiasco.
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Speaker 5: And we all remember that three people have lost their lives.
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Speaker 5: But also Michelle Roland, who is now the Attorney General,
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Speaker 5: comes in, They get a briefing, note, they get a handover.
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Speaker 5: This has been sitting, as you say, in the bottom
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Speaker 5: drawer for a year. Richard Bean that was the Deputy
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Speaker 5: of the Australian Communications Media Authority actually recommended this. Where
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Speaker 5: is Michelle Roland also thinking where's this being done? Why
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Speaker 5: aren't the questions being asked? I mean, it's just incredible.
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Speaker 5: And we know that there've been two Optis outages, but
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Speaker 5: three people have lost their lives. There are all these
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Speaker 5: different independent inquiries going on.
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Speaker 3: You don't need inquiries. We know what's happened. Just fix it.
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Speaker 2: I'm not there's someone in the Prime Minister's office in
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Speaker 2: charge of cabinet coordination. So this goes all the way
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Speaker 2: up to the very very top cam revelations. Yesterday the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister forced to concede that is five percent deposit
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Speaker 2: scheme for first time buyers was actually going to increase prices.
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Speaker 2: A whole lot of experts weighed in today to say
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Speaker 2: that's absolutely right. The founder of Finch Financial, Julian Finch,
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Speaker 2: says the scheme is akin to and I quote, pouring
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Speaker 2: fuel on a fire.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, and Treasury has said that too, Peter in similar words.
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Speaker 7: Probably they wouldn't say that, but Treasury has conceded in
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Speaker 7: its own modeling that it will impact house price. Is
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Speaker 7: one of the real critiques that this we've heard from
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Speaker 7: a number of economists is yes, this might get some
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Speaker 7: young buyers attempting to buy their first home, it gives
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Speaker 7: them a bit more money or an access to a
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Speaker 7: larger loan. But if you've got two first home buyers
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Speaker 7: who both have access to that same pool, well they
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Speaker 7: might just bid each other up and you might get
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Speaker 7: the same result anyway.
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Speaker 3: So that's the real criticism.
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Speaker 7: But as we've been saying for many really years now, Peter,
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Speaker 7: all of this stuff around demand, where you can give
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Speaker 7: people a little bit more money here, give some people
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Speaker 7: better access there, it just trims around the edges. The
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Speaker 7: answer is supply. Anyone who's in the industry will say that,
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Speaker 7: and has been saying that for some time. We've got
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Speaker 7: the housing targets which are still tracking not to be
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Speaker 7: met unless we see well, well really a supercharging of
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Speaker 7: cranes going up and buildings getting built over the years ahead.
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Speaker 7: There's just simply not going to be any solution anytime
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Speaker 7: soon to make sure that people do have an easier
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Speaker 7: access to housing, because it's the policy, Peter. Even if
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Speaker 7: it does push prices up that arguably got Labor a
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Speaker 7: lot of votes among younger people.
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Speaker 2: Well they're going to deliver cam and they won't keep
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Speaker 2: those thoughtes Caroly I've got to get your take as
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Speaker 2: a Victorian. I know you listen to the media, women
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Speaker 2: on the left, women on the right, good men around
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Speaker 2: the state are so angry about this pedophile in a
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Speaker 2: woman's prison who is a biological male. And if you
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Speaker 2: read the judgment in the courts, you can absolutely understand
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Speaker 2: that this man at that time that he abused his
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Speaker 2: daughter was intact because they reference penis multiple times in
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Speaker 2: the judgment. How does a premier get away with saying
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Speaker 2: this has nothing to do with her. It's corrections, Victoria.
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Speaker 2: That's making calls like this because she's the first one
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Speaker 2: out there, you know, beating her chest and talking tough
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Speaker 2: about protecting women. It just shows that everything she sees
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Speaker 2: is hollow.
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Speaker 5: I saw the clip of the press conference that you
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Speaker 5: ran today and I saw when she said it's deeply inappropriate.
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Speaker 5: What's deeply inappropriate is that she's Premier.
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Speaker 3: Of this state.
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Speaker 5: Parliament makes the laws and then they're implemented by corrections, Victoria.
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Speaker 5: All the Premier needs to do is to make a
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Speaker 5: ruling and say women's prisons are for biological women at
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Speaker 5: the time. This man is a biological man. As you said,
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Speaker 5: there is a five year old daughter who has been
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Speaker 5: raped by her father, who has a penis, and he
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Speaker 5: has only been given two and a half years jail.
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Speaker 5: This little girl's life has been ruined. The little girl's
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Speaker 5: mum's life has also been ruined.
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Speaker 3: And I cannot believe.
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Speaker 5: I cannot believe that Jacinta Allen as a woman is unwilling.
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Speaker 3: To be a leader and.
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Speaker 5: Actually say what needs to happen. No one's asking her.
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Speaker 5: She's skating around it, saying I won't comment on indevidudinity.
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Speaker 5: Make the ruling. It's not that difficult. Victorians have had
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Speaker 5: enough of this identity's politics. You know, there's the UK
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Speaker 5: feminist Julie Bindle who wrote today and she actually said,
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Speaker 5: all this trans ideology, it's this left wing ideological bent
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Speaker 5: that is just capturing everybody. Just center Allen. Make the ruling.
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Speaker 5: Women's prisons are for biological women.
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Speaker 3: End of story.
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Speaker 2: Right, Let's go to another issue. This is pretty troubling.
21:26
Speaker 2: The Herald Sign reports this morning that the identities of
21:29
Speaker 2: hundreds of people have been using a massive medicare wrought.
21:33
Speaker 3: But what's bad cam out of this.
21:36
Speaker 2: There's bad enough as the rought is that it's allegedly
21:38
Speaker 2: being run out of the Immigration detention center in broad
21:42
Speaker 2: Meadows in Melbourne.
21:45
Speaker 7: And according to the Herald Sun, Peter usual caveats that
21:48
Speaker 7: charges have been laid here, so people may end up
21:50
Speaker 7: facing court.
21:51
Speaker 3: Two of the people charged who are.
21:52
Speaker 7: Inside that center are facing deportation, so whether they are
21:56
Speaker 7: even in the country to see these charges through we
21:59
Speaker 7: will see. But look, the government has had a number
22:01
Speaker 7: of hurdles in this front. We think on the broader
22:03
Speaker 7: issue too, of that ongoing saga of dealing with people
22:07
Speaker 7: out of the n z Edyq case, we're now starting
22:09
Speaker 7: to see those NAMRU or that attempt at at NAU
22:12
Speaker 7: solution get played out, but this one in particular. Look,
22:15
Speaker 7: people's data very sensitive and getting more so we'll see
22:18
Speaker 7: if they do end up facing those charges or if
22:20
Speaker 7: they're out of the country by the time they go through.
22:24
Speaker 2: I want to go to Melbourne Museum because at the
22:27
Speaker 2: moment they're running a school holidays program for little kids predominant.
22:31
Speaker 2: It's called Dino Days, right, so it's all about dinosaurs.
22:36
Speaker 9: Now.
22:36
Speaker 2: A friend of mine took grandchildren there. Were shocked to
22:39
Speaker 2: see this particular presenter. This is someone who was wearing
22:44
Speaker 2: a kaffia scarf reading to children. Now that person has
22:51
Speaker 2: a beard and long hair and tattoos and a kaffea. Now, craly,
22:57
Speaker 2: this is a taxpayer funded museum.
23:00
Speaker 3: How does that happen?
23:02
Speaker 5: Well, how it happens is this is the state of Victoria,
23:05
Speaker 5: so anything can happen. As you say, taxpayer dollars are
23:08
Speaker 5: going for this. I'll say to you, what if I
23:11
Speaker 5: wanted to go and do tell a story Dino's Stories,
23:14
Speaker 5: and I wore a Liberal Party T shirt, or I
23:17
Speaker 5: wore a star of David, or I wore a T
23:20
Speaker 5: shirt that said I hate Jasin to Alan, I hate labor,
23:22
Speaker 5: I hate this, I hate that. What would actually happen,
23:26
Speaker 5: I wouldn't be allowed to do it. This is pure
23:29
Speaker 5: indoctrination of three and four and five year olds who
23:32
Speaker 5: all they should be interested in is Dorothy to the Dinosaur.
23:36
Speaker 5: A note to self or note to the Victorian government.
23:39
Speaker 5: I should say, take a cue from the Wiggles, Dorothy
23:43
Speaker 5: the Dinosaur, not this rubbish what we're seeing.
23:46
Speaker 2: No people are watching, people are cranky. That came to
23:49
Speaker 2: me from someone I know, and there's plenty more out there.
23:51
Speaker 2: I'll leave it there, cam Caroly, thank you all right?
23:54
Speaker 2: After the break, quick break Victoria's flag ship suburban Rayle Loop.
23:59
Speaker 2: A lot of conscer here about grave risk of Chinese influence,
24:04
Speaker 2: and we'll also have a look at what's really a
24:06
Speaker 2: play here between Beijing and BHP. Welcome back still to
24:15
Speaker 2: come and your report out that spells out why the
24:17
Speaker 2: hardest part of the renewables riot in Australia is still
24:21
Speaker 2: ahead of us. And this has made worse, of course
24:24
Speaker 2: by more qualified power exiting the system and exiting earlier
24:28
Speaker 2: than planned.
24:29
Speaker 3: But first, the Foreign.
24:30
Speaker 2: Investment Review Board is examining the national security implications of
24:34
Speaker 2: Chinese involvement in Victoria's suburban rail loop project.
24:39
Speaker 3: The reviews look into the plan to award a nine.
24:42
Speaker 2: Billion dollar contract to a consortium involving Chinese owned company
24:47
Speaker 2: John Holland.
24:48
Speaker 3: Now that's right, you heard me right.
24:50
Speaker 2: John Holland was once an Australian company, but it was
24:53
Speaker 2: brought out by the Chinese about a decade ago. Here's
24:56
Speaker 2: what the Premier, just Into Allen had to say when
24:58
Speaker 2: asked about it.
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Speaker 4: This is a fairly standard part of the contract and
25:04
Speaker 4: the procurement processes that companies who are engaging on projects
25:08
Speaker 4: in Australia participate in. But Let's also remember that it's
25:13
Speaker 4: a fantastic thing that we have global companies, companies from
25:17
Speaker 4: around the world are partnering with the Victorian labor government.
25:24
Speaker 2: She says, So, having just come back from Beijing, Johnny mean,
25:27
Speaker 2: our senior fellow with the Hudson Institute, John Lee, John,
25:32
Speaker 2: what do you make of the premium's response there, you know,
25:34
Speaker 2: the flippant response and should we be concerned?
25:37
Speaker 6: Well, she's very unjustifiably casual, isn't she. I mean, I
25:41
Speaker 6: see two red flags. The first is that when you
25:45
Speaker 6: construct and build and maintain a railway, it's not just
25:49
Speaker 6: metal and bricks, it's so the digital infrastructures through it.
25:54
Speaker 6: You know, I would not want a Chinese thron owned
25:57
Speaker 6: company or state owned company to have knowledge of the
26:01
Speaker 6: networks and the data that goes through these networks, these
26:04
Speaker 6: rail networks. The second red flag I see is China
26:08
Speaker 6: has a longstanding practice of targeting provincial and state governments
26:14
Speaker 6: that are poorly run and are in debt because at
26:17
Speaker 6: once to acquire leverage over them. That is the backways
26:20
Speaker 6: through an economy where the federal government has shut the door.
26:25
Speaker 6: It's done out in New Zealand, it's done out in Canada,
26:28
Speaker 6: in England, and Victoria is clearly the weak link in
26:33
Speaker 6: the Australian federal system. So they're the two red flags.
26:35
Speaker 6: I've got to say, I'm glad I don't live in Victoria.
26:39
Speaker 2: Peter, Well, unfortunately, you know, what happens in Victoria tends
26:46
Speaker 2: to be rolled out as a model with other labor jurisdictions.
26:50
Speaker 2: And we saw obviously the Belton Road deal that Dan
26:53
Speaker 2: Andrews did without getting a briefing from Canberra subsequently had
26:57
Speaker 2: to be undone by the federal government. She was the premier,
27:01
Speaker 2: was he's understudy. We know he's heavily involved in Chinese contracts.
27:07
Speaker 2: I mean, you would have seen his very high profile
27:10
Speaker 2: he's no longer a politician, but he was there amongst
27:13
Speaker 2: the leaders.
27:13
Speaker 3: You would have.
27:14
Speaker 2: Seen his very high profile meeting and greeting a president,
27:17
Speaker 2: g on the red carpet.
27:19
Speaker 3: You're a longtime observer of China. What did that look
27:24
Speaker 3: like to you?
27:25
Speaker 6: Everything's quit pro quo with China in a political and
27:28
Speaker 6: strategic sense. You don't get a guernsey and an event
27:31
Speaker 6: like that, and you don't get to go to that
27:33
Speaker 6: photo op unless you give something in return. Now, Dan
27:36
Speaker 6: Andrews is not in power anymore, but his party that
27:41
Speaker 6: he really built, or the Labor Party in the modern
27:44
Speaker 6: day Victorian Labor Party, is in power. Justina Allen is
27:47
Speaker 6: essentially doing exactly the same thing that Dan Andrews is doing.
27:52
Speaker 6: And if I were China, I'll be very excited by Victoria.
27:57
Speaker 2: And let's not forget he's a form of flatmate at
27:59
Speaker 2: the Prime minist and the Prime Minister had quite an
28:02
Speaker 2: extraordinary long, six day official visit to China, and that's
28:07
Speaker 2: happened long before he's even met the US President.
28:10
Speaker 6: Well, I think we're seeing that now where every time
28:14
Speaker 6: something happens with China which is awkward or difficult, Anthony
28:18
Speaker 6: Almonzi doesn't tend to say much, and he's a prime
28:20
Speaker 6: minister of the country he should. You know, we've got
28:25
Speaker 6: this negotiation now with BHP and n the Chinese counterpart
28:29
Speaker 6: that is not just a commercial dispute. That is BHP
28:35
Speaker 6: having the weight of the Chinese state bearing down on it.
28:40
Speaker 2: Okay, well, let's move to that one. Because BHP's reportedly
28:43
Speaker 2: told the government, told the Prime Minister's office and you know,
28:46
Speaker 2: the broader ministry that this iron ore banned by Beijing.
28:51
Speaker 2: Is a tactic to drive down prices. Now you and
28:55
Speaker 2: I both know across different commodities, this has absolutely been
28:59
Speaker 2: part out of China's economic coercion in the past.
29:04
Speaker 3: Do you think that's what's happening.
29:06
Speaker 6: Here, Well, they are trying to drive down prices, but
29:10
Speaker 6: it's not just a Chinese company or intermediately trying to
29:14
Speaker 6: drive down prices to the Chinese state. This Chinese entity,
29:18
Speaker 6: the China Mineral Resources Company. It was created by the
29:22
Speaker 6: Chinese Commonist Party specifically to negotiate iron ore prices on
29:27
Speaker 6: behalf of Chinese steel mills with iron or companies like BHP,
29:32
Speaker 6: and the idea is to maximize the leverage that this
29:37
Speaker 6: company has the Chinese steel mills. Now, China Mineral Resources
29:41
Speaker 6: would not be trying this tactic without explicit approval, and
29:46
Speaker 6: I would say the behest at the behest of the
29:48
Speaker 6: Chinese Commonis Party. So this is very squarely in my mind,
29:53
Speaker 6: an example of state coercion. It's not just a business dispute,
29:58
Speaker 6: which is what some people want to traders.
30:02
Speaker 2: So when our Prime Minister says or this is just
30:05
Speaker 2: a matter between the two companies to sort out, do
30:07
Speaker 2: you buy that?
30:09
Speaker 6: Well, no, Remember Albenizi's refrained about China. We cooperate where
30:14
Speaker 6: we can, and we disagree where we must. This is
30:17
Speaker 6: very clearly an issue where he has to disagree and
30:20
Speaker 6: use the resources of the federal government to negotiate on
30:24
Speaker 6: behalf of BHP or at least support BHP. Now, if
30:28
Speaker 6: HP fails with this, if China gets his price cut,
30:31
Speaker 6: it doesn't stop there. It will be a triad on Rio,
30:35
Speaker 6: Tinto and ford es Q. This is a I think
30:38
Speaker 6: an eighty five billion dollar export industry to China. This
30:41
Speaker 6: is clearly the national interest, and you're dealing with the
30:44
Speaker 6: Chinese state.
30:47
Speaker 3: Yeah.
30:47
Speaker 2: And of course if China, this has been explained to
30:49
Speaker 2: me by someone inside BHP, If China builds up a
30:53
Speaker 2: stockpile over time and then has a price war with BHP,
30:57
Speaker 2: and it pushes BHP out of the market or downgrades
31:01
Speaker 2: the price of our resources in the sale, and of
31:04
Speaker 2: course that impacts the federal budget. It can use its
31:07
Speaker 2: stockpile to buy at time to develop and open up
31:11
Speaker 2: other markets. And this has happened in other minerals. It's
31:13
Speaker 2: happening in copper and others as well. This is the
31:16
Speaker 2: other concern we have, not just a dispute with a
31:19
Speaker 2: big employer, but the diminishing I guess of our ability
31:23
Speaker 2: to export these particular minerals to a big purchaseer, but
31:29
Speaker 2: also the bottom line hit to the federal budget.
31:32
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I mean this has been China's desire
31:35
Speaker 6: for a long time to acquire a leverage which it
31:37
Speaker 6: currently doesn't have, to circumvent commodity markets and commodity pricing
31:43
Speaker 6: and get the pricing at once. Remember if you go
31:46
Speaker 6: back to two thousand and eight, the issue we had
31:49
Speaker 6: with Rio Tinto and Chinalco, that was essentially over the
31:53
Speaker 6: same issue that China was trying to acquire leverage over
31:57
Speaker 6: the austrain iron or exporters and also the distraining government
32:00
Speaker 6: to circumvent global commodity markets to get the price at once.
32:05
Speaker 6: If it does that, you know all this talk about
32:07
Speaker 6: the rule space to order, which diplomats like to talk
32:10
Speaker 6: about in our country, Well, this is an example of
32:12
Speaker 6: where the rule space order is being directly violated.
32:17
Speaker 3: All right all over there.
32:18
Speaker 2: Thank you, John Leake, A good luck, a good congratulations,
32:22
Speaker 2: I should say to the government today who got that
32:25
Speaker 2: PNG deal over the lined That is something we should
32:28
Speaker 2: be very proud of. Let's hope they can resuscitate Vanawatu
32:32
Speaker 2: as well or at act the break this report that
32:34
Speaker 2: suggests the honeymoon is over for renewables, that we've got
32:37
Speaker 2: this far think has been hard. Now what's coming is
32:40
Speaker 2: a massive hit to power prices. Plus why the UK's
32:45
Speaker 2: National Health Service published a very controversial paper about the
32:50
Speaker 2: so called benefits of first cousin marriage.
32:56
Speaker 3: Welcome back.
32:57
Speaker 2: I want to take you to a new report for
32:58
Speaker 2: the Center of Independent Studies which suggests Australia has passed
33:03
Speaker 2: the point where renewable energy can deliver easy gains to
33:06
Speaker 2: the system. The report argues that the belief that Australia
33:10
Speaker 2: can decarbonize its economy by relying on the wind and
33:13
Speaker 2: sol by relying on wind and solar rests on a
33:16
Speaker 2: misplaced conviction about.
33:19
Speaker 3: What the renewables role that will entail.
33:22
Speaker 2: It suggested once wind and solar pushed beyond roughly one
33:24
Speaker 2: fifth of the total energy supply, costs and grid difficulties
33:29
Speaker 2: begin to rise very sharply. Now that means it's the
33:34
Speaker 2: end if any any I'll say there even was one
33:37
Speaker 2: renewables honeymoon. It goes on to say that the early
33:40
Speaker 2: role out of renewables was relatively straightforward because existing energy generation,
33:46
Speaker 2: primarily our coal five power plants, have helped to keep
33:50
Speaker 2: the grid stable. A lot in this report is very
33:55
Speaker 2: very important. Join me now to talk you through a
33:57
Speaker 2: director of Energy Research at the CIS and co author
34:01
Speaker 2: of the report, Ad Morrison. Well, I just thought it
34:04
Speaker 2: was incredibly stark your analysis. So getting to this point
34:09
Speaker 2: and jeez, we've paid for it in our power bills,
34:12
Speaker 2: but broadly speaking, we've still had reliable power. Yes, it's
34:16
Speaker 2: been expensive, but it's been reliable. And now once we
34:21
Speaker 2: start to lose our coal, and we know that some
34:23
Speaker 2: are being brought on to depart faster than expected, we're
34:27
Speaker 2: not doing enough in terms of gas. It's going to
34:30
Speaker 2: be very, very expensive and it's also going to be
34:33
Speaker 2: very very unreliable.
34:35
Speaker 3: Is that a layman's summary? Ever? Got that right? Yeah?
34:42
Speaker 10: That's pretty much it. You can pay for reliability through
34:45
Speaker 10: the nose if you want. There are ways and means
34:47
Speaker 10: to I suppose, force that reliability back in the system.
34:50
Speaker 10: But the thing we wanted to emphasize is that with
34:52
Speaker 10: energy sources that you can't control that come from the
34:55
Speaker 10: wind in the sun, they come in rushes and gushes,
34:58
Speaker 10: and that actually means that, unlike other generators, it gets
35:02
Speaker 10: harder to add more and more to the system rather
35:04
Speaker 10: than easier. And the simple reason for that is that
35:07
Speaker 10: at certain times you end up with too much energy
35:10
Speaker 10: at one place in time and still not enough at
35:13
Speaker 10: another place in time. So you have to either start
35:15
Speaker 10: wasting energy as you add more wind and solar, or
35:18
Speaker 10: moving it around with expensive transmission or batteries to move
35:22
Speaker 10: it through time, I suppose. So that is essentially a
35:26
Speaker 10: critical point where you actually have to start adding a
35:28
Speaker 10: whole bunch of extra system costs where you've worn out
35:32
Speaker 10: that kind of free run, that sort of free kick
35:34
Speaker 10: at the beginning, where you could just dial down the
35:36
Speaker 10: existing coal fired power plants a little bit. They have
35:39
Speaker 10: a little bit of flexibility and just let the energy
35:42
Speaker 10: sort of rush into the system when and where it arrived.
35:45
Speaker 10: But as soon as you saturate that amount, and so
35:47
Speaker 10: you now don't have any more flexibility to dial those
35:49
Speaker 10: ones down comfortably, you start to threaten the reliability and
35:52
Speaker 10: security of the system, and you have to move that
35:54
Speaker 10: energy some of the place with huge amounts more transmission
35:58
Speaker 10: or a whole lot more storage, And that's when system
36:00
Speaker 10: costs start kicking up and doesn't start at ninety percent,
36:03
Speaker 10: as I think we've been told A lot of people
36:05
Speaker 10: have told us, look at the progress who've made today,
36:07
Speaker 10: We've got to thirty or forty percent. Surely we can
36:09
Speaker 10: keep going from here. Actually know, our energy prices have
36:13
Speaker 10: started rising in the last few years because of this effect,
36:15
Speaker 10: and they're going to rise a whole lot further and
36:17
Speaker 10: faster as these effects just become more pronounced. So around
36:21
Speaker 10: about twenty percent is when we saw the first signs,
36:23
Speaker 10: and thirty percent the honeymoon is well and truly over,
36:26
Speaker 10: and it only gets harder from here.
36:29
Speaker 3: All right, look around the world.
36:32
Speaker 2: Show me someone who is trying to do what we
36:34
Speaker 2: are trying to do, or doing what we hope to
36:37
Speaker 2: do and getting it right.
36:42
Speaker 10: Look, there's no one that's trying to do what we
36:44
Speaker 10: are trying to do and not having a huge amounts
36:46
Speaker 10: of price pain at the moment. Look around all the
36:48
Speaker 10: countries that have got to higher levels of renewables. Look
36:51
Speaker 10: at the United Kingdom, look at Germany, look at Denmark
36:54
Speaker 10: high levels of wind and solar. Nobody has got above
36:57
Speaker 10: forty fifty percent without having really highly extricity prices. There's
37:01
Speaker 10: just no exceptions. People that claim there are exceptions always
37:04
Speaker 10: point to other countries that actually have a whole bunch
37:06
Speaker 10: of hydro. Hydro is the renewable special case because you
37:10
Speaker 10: can turn it on off and on like a tap,
37:13
Speaker 10: quite literally, and that means that you can get it
37:15
Speaker 10: at the times and places that you want it.
37:17
Speaker 1: With an efficient system.
37:18
Speaker 10: But when wind and solar it comes in rushes and
37:21
Speaker 10: gushes that you can't control, so it's a totally different
37:23
Speaker 10: kettle of fish. So the countries that have done well
37:25
Speaker 10: with large renewable shares, places like Norway, place like Canada,
37:28
Speaker 10: place like Brazil, they're all hydro heaven, all right. We
37:32
Speaker 10: don't have that. We've only got seven or eight percent
37:34
Speaker 10: hydro in the grid, and there's no other really good
37:36
Speaker 10: places to build a whole bunch more hydro unless you
37:38
Speaker 10: want to go down the Franklin in Tasmania, which personally
37:40
Speaker 10: I don't. I've kayaked up that and I quite like
37:42
Speaker 10: it being kept as a precious place. But at the
37:45
Speaker 10: moment we're done with the easy runs. There's nowhere in
37:48
Speaker 10: the world that has done this and has found it
37:49
Speaker 10: very easy. In fact, in Germany, captains of industry there
37:52
Speaker 10: are written to the Chancellor and said that this is
37:54
Speaker 10: the worst industrial crisis since World War II. They're having
37:58
Speaker 10: the flight of industry because of the extremely high energy costs,
38:01
Speaker 10: and those captains of industry laid the laid the blame.
38:03
Speaker 10: And it wasn't just industry, by the way, was also
38:05
Speaker 10: one of the major unions laid the blame very squarely
38:08
Speaker 10: at the energy transition, the so called NYGY vendor in Germany.
38:10
Speaker 10: So there is just nowhere to look to to say
38:12
Speaker 10: that this works and we can keep going and keep
38:15
Speaker 10: low cost electricity, which we've clearly already lost.
38:19
Speaker 2: I'm just about out of time, but I've got to
38:20
Speaker 2: get your take on that announcement by Rio Tinto to
38:23
Speaker 2: the market to say that they're likely to shut down
38:26
Speaker 2: Queensland's largest coal fired POWERstation in Gladsden a whole lot.
38:31
Speaker 3: Earlier than expected.
38:32
Speaker 2: I think it was twenty twenty nine that it's now
38:35
Speaker 2: going to close. Of course, they've got the Olympics in
38:37
Speaker 2: twenty thirty two. They will be pushing all that construction
38:41
Speaker 2: hard in the.
38:41
Speaker 3: Last few years. Give me your assessment here.
38:48
Speaker 10: Look, this is a special case because Rio Tinto is
38:51
Speaker 10: actually this particular coal fired powerstations, one of the only
38:54
Speaker 10: ones that is privately owned. And the real big trick
38:57
Speaker 10: to this is that it's right next to again, the
38:59
Speaker 10: same company owns a big aluminium smelter okay, and that
39:03
Speaker 10: aluminum smelter relies on huge amounts of electricity. But guess what,
39:06
Speaker 10: here's the catch. The Queensland government previously under the Miles government,
39:10
Speaker 10: basically made a promise to that smelter to underwrite it
39:12
Speaker 10: with some kind of funding package, some kind of sweetness
39:15
Speaker 10: if they transition to renewables.
39:18
Speaker 1: So guess what.
39:18
Speaker 10: They're really just about collecting the maximum subsidies, and in
39:21
Speaker 10: this case, they're pulling forward the closure of that coal
39:24
Speaker 10: fired power station so that if anything gets held up
39:27
Speaker 10: with the construction of all those renewables that they've underwritten
39:29
Speaker 10: and they've paid for the off take agreements in their
39:31
Speaker 10: huge wind farms and huge solar projects, if anything gets
39:35
Speaker 10: held up by the current government, they'll come back and
39:37
Speaker 10: squeal and say, hey, you know what, we need a
39:39
Speaker 10: different or better underwriting deal and we'll have to keep
39:42
Speaker 10: the coal fired power station open as well. So this
39:44
Speaker 10: is not this is just simply a maneuver to make
39:46
Speaker 10: sure they're maximally positioned to keep the renewable energy funding
39:51
Speaker 10: and subsidies and sweetness rolling their way.
39:55
Speaker 2: Everything in this space, and everything in this space comes
39:59
Speaker 2: back to show me the mone and the poor old
40:01
Speaker 2: punter who gets that bill to pay for their power.
40:04
Speaker 2: It goes up and up and up and up. They
40:06
Speaker 2: are the price taker. They are forced to pay those bills.
40:09
Speaker 2: They're struggling to pay those bills. And everybody else said,
40:12
Speaker 2: this whole eco system has got their nose in the trough.
40:15
Speaker 3: I'll leave it there.
40:16
Speaker 2: We will come back to that pleaser. You at home
40:18
Speaker 2: and want to read this report, I encourage you to
40:20
Speaker 2: read it. It's on the CIS website. Prints it off,
40:24
Speaker 2: read it over the weekend. Tell me I'm wrong?
40:26
Speaker 3: All right?
40:27
Speaker 2: After the break the backlash over the very controversial UK
40:30
Speaker 2: report that's cited so called benefits of marrying your first cousin,
40:36
Speaker 2: plus a massive scientific breakthrough in the US that raises
40:39
Speaker 2: really serious ethical concerns, welcome back. Let's go straight to London,
40:47
Speaker 2: where the UK's National Health Service has pulled now a
40:51
Speaker 2: very controversial report which side of the so called benefits
40:54
Speaker 2: of first cousin marriage, following widespread backlash. Now the report
40:58
Speaker 2: failed to assess the health risks for children of these unions,
41:02
Speaker 2: which is clearly demonstrated in three key metrics by a
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Speaker 2: recent study. Indeed, here's an Australian view from Professor David
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Speaker 2: Thorburn at the Murder of Children's Research Institute in Melbourne,
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Speaker 2: who says there's an increased risk of having what I
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Speaker 2: called recessive diseases. He says that while all individuals share
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Speaker 2: about ninety nine point five percent or more of their
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Speaker 2: genetic material, first cousins share about one eighth of that
41:27
Speaker 2: part that varies. This is the concern doing me now
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Speaker 2: to discuss this in more. Our europe correspondent Sophie Ellsworth.
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Speaker 2: The backlash here was very, very swift, and I want
41:38
Speaker 2: to put this into a bit of context too, so
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Speaker 2: because for a time there has been a real debate
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Speaker 2: about first cousin marriage. It was a big issue in
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Speaker 2: the Commons and we've had a number of parliamentarians try
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Speaker 2: and outlaw it. Here's a response to that debate last December.
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Speaker 3: Have a listen.
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Speaker 11: A marriage between first cousin's curry significant health issues, many
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Speaker 11: of which aren't even noble until post Perth, when practice
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Speaker 11: generation after generation there is a significant multiplayer effect.
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Speaker 3: I tell us more.
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Speaker 12: Well, Peter, there has been a swift backlash year in
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Speaker 12: the UK, and the Health Secretary was Streeting responded to
42:21
Speaker 12: the publishing of this report very quickly and said he
42:25
Speaker 12: was deeply concerned by it and that the NHS should
42:30
Speaker 12: apologize for publishing it. He did interviews here in Britain
42:34
Speaker 12: and said the first he knew of it was when
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Speaker 12: it was published online, so he was deeply concerned about this, Peter.
42:40
Speaker 12: And there has, as you have said, been quite a
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Speaker 12: lot of backlash over this, given the risks that are
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Speaker 12: involved when you do marry your first cousin, and.
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Speaker 2: There's all the other cultural overlay, which I think is
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Speaker 2: part of the reason it's taken off as a debate
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Speaker 2: in the UK. But I will make the point, and
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Speaker 2: of course in Australia, I've looked at the Marriage Act
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Speaker 2: to make sure I'm accurate here, but you can marry
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Speaker 2: your first cousin in Australia and that's also of concern.
43:10
Speaker 2: Talk to me about this massive fight that's going on
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Speaker 2: there though now over the issue of digital ID. I
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Speaker 2: don't understand the argument that Keir Starmer is making for
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Speaker 2: forcing this on Brits because you know, you've got an
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Speaker 2: ID for your driver's license, you've got ID VI your passport.
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Speaker 3: Why the need for a digital ID. What's his argument?
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Speaker 12: Well, Peter, I think your thoughts here are a lot
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Speaker 12: are what a lot of people here in Britain are
43:36
Speaker 12: saying themselves. Why have this brick pass which he's saying
43:41
Speaker 12: that he will introduce by the end of the decade.
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Speaker 12: And basically the idea behind it is that it collates
43:46
Speaker 12: all your information into one card and you can use
43:50
Speaker 12: that card when you go to open bank account, when
43:53
Speaker 12: you go to get a job. It's basically a one
43:56
Speaker 12: stop shop for your ID. But the arguments here, Peter said,
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Speaker 12: if you're an i llegal migrant in this country looking
44:03
Speaker 12: for work and the employer is going to employ you anyway,
44:06
Speaker 12: they're not going to ask for a brick pass. They're
44:09
Speaker 12: going to employ you and probably pay you cash in hand.
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Speaker 12: So there has been a lot of backlash on this
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Speaker 12: as well, concern over why is the UK government looking
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Speaker 12: at introducing something which they have looked at before in
44:22
Speaker 12: the past and it's failed to get through.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Well, just quickly, I mean, what a government can give
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Speaker 2: a government can take away so if it's going to
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Speaker 2: give you a brick pass, and that's basically you'll go
44:36
Speaker 2: pass to get everything you need to operate in a
44:38
Speaker 2: civilized society, they can also take that away. You do
44:41
Speaker 2: the wrong thing, you upset them, you lose your right
44:45
Speaker 2: to have a bank account.
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Speaker 12: That's exactly right, Peter. The risks with it are quite great.
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Speaker 12: Some of the liberty groups here in the UK are
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Speaker 12: saying and they are deeply concerned by this and saying
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Speaker 12: that it should not happen and people should fight back
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Speaker 12: and say they won't be having one if it does
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Speaker 12: get through.
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Speaker 3: All right, I leave it there.
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Speaker 2: We will be coming back to that, I know many
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Speaker 2: times over.
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Speaker 3: Thank you, Sophie.
45:11
Speaker 2: And don't think it's not going to be pushed here
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Speaker 2: in Australia. This is a global push for control. Let's
45:16
Speaker 2: go out of the United States, where scientists have for
45:19
Speaker 2: the first time created early stage human embryos using DNA
45:22
Speaker 2: from skin cells and sperm, a breakthrough that could one day,
45:27
Speaker 2: they say, help infertile patients or same sex couple couples
45:32
Speaker 2: to have genetically related children. Hit Away in skyn is
45:36
Speaker 2: contributed Kosher Garda. As it's been explained to me, kosher.
45:40
Speaker 2: We could get to a situation where a child could
45:42
Speaker 2: be created without a biological mother. So the egg is there,
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Speaker 2: all the DNA of the woman is stripped out, male
45:52
Speaker 2: DNA from say skin cells is put in, and then
45:56
Speaker 2: that egg is fertilized with male sperm, creates a human embryo.
46:02
Speaker 2: A woman might be used to carry the embryo, but
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Speaker 2: the child would be born without any biological impact from
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Speaker 2: a female.
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Speaker 3: Now if I got that right.
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Speaker 1: That's right.
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Speaker 9: They basically are creating an egg or for all practical purposes,
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Speaker 9: what the role of the egg is in human fertilization
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Speaker 9: in a lab, in a test tube, through skin cells
46:25
Speaker 9: or any other type of cell, including from the mother
46:28
Speaker 9: or excluding from the mother. And you know it's being
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Speaker 9: packaged Peter, as these things always are. And maybe some
46:32
Speaker 9: ultruists genuinely believe it as a good thing. You can
46:36
Speaker 9: help couples that are having problems with fertility.
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Speaker 3: Maybe there's a woman who.
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Speaker 9: Went through chemotherapy and lost her fertility and this can
46:42
Speaker 9: help her. They'll always sell it with that, but I
46:44
Speaker 9: think we all know that the reality is going to
46:47
Speaker 9: be deeply, deeply troubling. It sets up so many problems
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Speaker 9: on multiple levels, First and foremost ethically, because playing God
46:55
Speaker 9: just never ends well, and you know lore about this.
46:58
Speaker 9: It also creates a moral hazard because the people taking
47:01
Speaker 9: the risk and wanting to do these types of experiments
47:04
Speaker 9: are not the ones bearing the risk, which is the
47:06
Speaker 9: life that would be born if this technology actually happens,
47:09
Speaker 9: where who knows what kinds of genetic deformities and other
47:13
Speaker 9: issues might happen. We are playing literally God in this thing.
47:16
Speaker 9: And then also legally, we're on the slippery slope, and
47:18
Speaker 9: in a society that's allowing more and more of all
47:21
Speaker 9: sorts of things, transgenderism and polyamorous couples and all sorts
47:25
Speaker 9: of things, you're just really going at the heart of
47:28
Speaker 9: the core nuclear family, and all sorts of people can
47:30
Speaker 9: sort of engineer a baby or offspring, and it has
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Speaker 9: I think very sinister implications for society at large.
47:39
Speaker 2: You're right to point out that the soft entry point
47:41
Speaker 2: is always an infertile couple, and I've used at IVF
47:45
Speaker 2: in the past, so I'm very sympathetic to that point. However,
47:48
Speaker 2: that's the back door way to do a whole lot
47:51
Speaker 2: of stuff that we would have a lot of ethical
47:52
Speaker 2: concern about. Recently, there was a mother who donated her
47:56
Speaker 2: womb transplanted to her daughter.
47:58
Speaker 3: It couldn't carry a baby.
47:59
Speaker 2: She's subsequent had a live pregnancy and a healthy born child.
48:05
Speaker 2: But we're going to see, I can tell you, we
48:07
Speaker 2: are going to see the transplant of a womb to
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Speaker 2: a trans woman, like a biological male, so that that
48:14
Speaker 2: man could carry a child.
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Speaker 3: That's where we're headed. Kosher we are.
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Speaker 9: And even worse, there is a faction of society, unless
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Speaker 9: they're defeated, that's going to celebrate it. And I think
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Speaker 9: that fictional couple that you're mentioning, a trans person is
48:27
Speaker 9: going to be celebrated on magazine covers and heralded as
48:30
Speaker 9: women of the Year and mother of the Year. I
48:32
Speaker 9: don't mean to be alarmist and a little bit extreme,
48:35
Speaker 9: but I don't think it's actually that extreme. And we've
48:37
Speaker 9: seen what thing already done, and this is just a
48:39
Speaker 9: continuation on that very, very troubling trend that I think a.
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Speaker 3: Big actual society is going in and even celebrating.
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Speaker 2: It's all about the erosion of women. We've seen that
48:50
Speaker 2: with the trans debate in women's rights. We see that
48:53
Speaker 2: across the board, with women's sport, women's spaces now. The
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Speaker 2: last frontier is a woman's womb and I'm not being
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Speaker 2: alarms there. That's where we're headed, all over there, Kosha,
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Speaker 2: thank you all right, have a lovely weekend everyone. It's
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Speaker 2: sort of my Friday night. I don't come back until Monday,
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Speaker 2: but i'll be back at six. Look forward to your company.
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Speaker 2: He's James ingperson