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  Speaker 1: It's topic.
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  Speaker 2: Times called eight hundred and five eight five five one
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  Speaker 1: Talk about it morning.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody's dj n V Charlamagne the guy we ought to
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  Speaker 3: During front page news, we were talking about Arizona Republican
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  Speaker 3: reference to black Americans as colored people.
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  Speaker 1: Was his name?
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  Speaker 4: I don't know his name. Let's let's play the audio.
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  Speaker 5: Mister chairman, though that was unbelievably inspiring. My amendment has
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  Speaker 5: nothing to do with whether or not colored people or
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  Speaker 5: black people or anybody can serve. Okay, that has nothing
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  Speaker 5: to do with costaking any of that stuff. What we
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  Speaker 5: want to preserve and maintain is the fact that our
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  Speaker 5: military does not become a social experiment. We want the
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  Speaker 5: best of the best. We want to have standards that
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  Speaker 5: guide who who's in, what unit, what they do. And
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  Speaker 5: I'm going to tell you guys right right now, the Russians,
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  Speaker 5: the Chinese, the Iranians, the North Koreans, they are not
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  Speaker 5: they are not doing this because they want the strongest
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  Speaker 5: military possible.
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  Speaker 6: I'd like to be recognized to have the words colored
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  Speaker 6: people stricken from the record. I find it offensive and
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  Speaker 6: very inappropriate.
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  Speaker 5: Is a general lady asking for unanimous consents to take
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  Speaker 5: down the words.
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  Speaker 6: I am asking for unanimous consent to take down the
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  Speaker 6: words of referring to me or any of my colleagues
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  Speaker 6: as colored people.
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  Speaker 7: Well, the congressman the name is Eli Krank, Eli Krane
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  Speaker 7: is that name. Look, I'm not saying that colored people
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  Speaker 7: is not offensive because everything is about context. So there's
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  Speaker 7: absolutely a context with colored people can be offensive. But
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  Speaker 7: I don't think that was one of those times. And
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  Speaker 7: if colored people is offensive, then we need to have
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  Speaker 7: a meeting. Because we use colored people all the time
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  Speaker 7: in various ways. We say people of color, and people
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  Speaker 7: of color is just saying colored people with better grammar.
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  Speaker 7: NAACP is the National Association for the Advancement of Color.
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  Speaker 7: The people hell in the ways intro they say we're
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  Speaker 7: happy and we're singing, and we're colored. So all I'm
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  Speaker 7: saying is if color is offensive, colored people is offensive,
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  Speaker 7: then we need to have a meeting and revise some things,
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  Speaker 7: don't you think?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I mean the Waynes brothers are black, so they
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  Speaker 3: can say color just like they can say the N
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  Speaker 3: word if they can say it if they want, But
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  Speaker 3: when it comes to anybody on the outside race using it,
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  Speaker 3: I don't like it. I think it's offensive and if
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  Speaker 3: people don't like it, it just doesn't feel right.
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  Speaker 4: It doesn't sit right with me.
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  Speaker 7: When I just why people of color when they say people,
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  Speaker 7: when they refer to us in brown people as people
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  Speaker 7: of color, because that's just saying color colored people with
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  Speaker 7: better grandma.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I don't really hear people say that.
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  Speaker 1: Say it.
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  Speaker 4: People here say black people.
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  Speaker 1: I say everybody's people of color.
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  Speaker 4: People do you meet?
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  Speaker 1: People of color is used every day. They use that
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  Speaker 1: term all the time.
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  Speaker 7: They lumpus all it and they be like people of
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  Speaker 7: color diversity and.
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  Speaker 3: In when they say people of color, they usually you
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  Speaker 3: they mean what black people, They mean brown people. They
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  Speaker 3: can mean Indian people, that could mean Spanish people, It
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  Speaker 3: could mean so many different people.
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  Speaker 4: But colored people means black people.
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  Speaker 3: When you true, when you refer to let's say somebody's
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  Speaker 3: and it's just somebody Indian or somebody, they don't them
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  Speaker 3: as colored people.
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  Speaker 4: Well, color people is referred to as black.
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  Speaker 7: My point is people of color, colored people, it's the
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  Speaker 7: same thing.
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  Speaker 1: You're just using better grammar.
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  Speaker 3: But if people are offended by it, people are offended
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  Speaker 3: by it, maybe shouldn't say it seemed like and I
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  Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, discuss every other organizational group. If
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  Speaker 3: they say they offended by it, people stop using it.
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  Speaker 3: The LGBTQ community is there were words that we would
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  Speaker 3: say back in the eighties that that would refer to like,
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  Speaker 3: for instance, homosexual. Right now, I don't think I can
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  Speaker 3: use that.
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  Speaker 4: Term referred to them.
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  Speaker 1: I can't say homosex.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think you make me sit.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes, yes, you can say homosexual this one. You can't
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  Speaker 1: say homosexual.
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  Speaker 3: Take the sexual little You can't say that different But
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  Speaker 3: back then you could or the same thing with a.
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  Speaker 1: You couldn't back then, by the way, I know you couldn't.
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  Speaker 7: There's never been a time you could just call somebody
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  Speaker 7: the homosexual without the section.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe you don't remember that.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe a little person little person before you would say midgie.
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  Speaker 4: Now you can't say midge.
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  Speaker 1: Still say midgie a little person sounds offense.
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  Speaker 3: Both the little people, well, you all little purpose, so
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  Speaker 3: you could you know what list all.
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  Speaker 7: I'm simply saying is And by the way, when people
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  Speaker 7: are offended, they call their organizations, right, they have their back.
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  Speaker 7: So if I'm offended by the word colored people, I
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  Speaker 7: got to call it a National Association for the Advancement
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  Speaker 7: of Colored People to have my back.
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  Speaker 1: You don't see how stupid that sounds? Like that?
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  Speaker 4: All right, well, let's go to the phone lines.
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  Speaker 3: VIVI and good morning, good morning, how are you. I'm
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  Speaker 3: sorry for laughing and I hate them, but go ahead.
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  Speaker 8: Yes, I'm calling because I disagree with Charlamagne. He's saying, okay.
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  Speaker 8: First of all, it was establage in nineteen oh nine.
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  Speaker 8: Back then the term colored was accepted, and not to mention.
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  Speaker 8: It wasn't exclusively for blacks. It was really for people
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  Speaker 8: of color.
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  Speaker 4: And as time.
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  Speaker 9: Goes on, there are yes. I told, why would you say,
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  Speaker 9: why would it be called the National Association for.
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  Speaker 4: The N word? That would even be considered because.
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  Speaker 8: There are a lot of times are a lot of them.
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  Speaker 8: I'm sorry, I guess there are a lot of terms
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  Speaker 8: that over time become unacceptable, like the term the R word,
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  Speaker 8: you know, for people to mention illness illnesses over time,
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  Speaker 8: doctor King.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, back then those words that were okay, let's change,
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  Speaker 3: and she's talking about okay and we're not talking about
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  Speaker 3: the word retarding.
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  Speaker 4: People don't like that word. Now, it's different words, same
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  Speaker 4: thing with LGBT.
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  Speaker 7: Can we take a step back for a second. I
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  Speaker 7: can see that both we all are correct. I don't
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  Speaker 7: disagree with any of those points. But what I'm simply
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  Speaker 7: saying is, why do we still call it the NAACP
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  Speaker 7: didn't Why do we still say people of color?
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  Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying.
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  Speaker 9: What should we change it to?
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  Speaker 10: I don't know what should we change it to.
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  Speaker 7: I'm just saying it just feels crazy because this is
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  Speaker 7: an established organization.
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  Speaker 2: It's been around for over one hundred years, you know,
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  Speaker 2: to change it now, it just wouldn't sound right.
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  Speaker 7: You actually don't said. We're saying that colored people is offensive?
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  Speaker 7: Why wouldn't we change And you're telling me that over
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  Speaker 7: time colored people has gotten more offensive. Why wouldn't we
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  Speaker 7: tell them to change the name of the organization?
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  Speaker 4: We should?
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  Speaker 6: Then?
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  Speaker 4: Hello? Who's this?
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  Speaker 10: This is Kim?
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  Speaker 4: Hey Kim, good morning? What's your thoughts?
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  Speaker 10: I completely disagree, But what Charlamagne is talking about, Chela me.
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  Speaker 10: You have got to take a second and think about
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  Speaker 10: the words that you're saying. You're listening to respond, but
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  Speaker 10: you're not listening to understand. If the NAAP was started
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  Speaker 10: in nineteen o nine, it makes perfectly good sense. The
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  Speaker 10: context text of the word matters. Like how he was
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  Speaker 10: saying it was in a derogatory manner. It's the same
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  Speaker 10: way we use the N word in our culture. It's
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  Speaker 10: accepted within our culture, but we know surely when somebody's
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  Speaker 10: saying it in a negative way. So you can't just
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  Speaker 10: keep saying, oh, this organization uses it. So why is
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  Speaker 10: it defensive?
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  Speaker 6: Offensive?
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  Speaker 10: Is absolutely offensive the way it was focused.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think that makes sense? Said?
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  Speaker 10: It makes perfectly this.
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  Speaker 7: Okay, So let me ask you a question. We're saying
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  Speaker 7: that the term colored people is offensive, right, You're saying that.
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  Speaker 10: I'm saying, and the context that it was used and
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  Speaker 10: the way it was used was offensive.
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  Speaker 7: I don't think the context that he used it in
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  Speaker 7: on that floor is defensive. I think there is a
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  Speaker 7: way that that word can be used in the context
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  Speaker 7: that offensive, but not the way he used it just
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  Speaker 7: now on.
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  Speaker 3: That floor eight hundred five A five, one oh five one.
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  Speaker 3: Arizona Republican h He was on the House floor and
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  Speaker 3: referred to black Americans as colored people, were asking what
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  Speaker 3: your thoughts will play the audio when we come back.
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  Speaker 3: Warning everybody, it's DJ Envy Charlamagne the gud.
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  Speaker 3: If he's just joining us, we're talking about Arizona Republican
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  Speaker 3: on the House floor refer to black Americans as coming
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  Speaker 3: Eli Crane, Eli Crane, And here's the audio.
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  Speaker 5: Mister chairman, though that was unbelievably inspiring. My amendment has
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  Speaker 5: nothing to do with whether or not colored people or
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  Speaker 5: black people or anybody can serve. Okay, that has nothing
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  Speaker 5: to do with speak and any of that stuff. What
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  Speaker 5: we want to preserve and maintain is the fact that
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  Speaker 5: our military does not become.
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  Speaker 1: You can stop it right there and listen.
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  Speaker 7: Colored people absolutely can be offensive, but everything is about context.
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  Speaker 7: You know, there's absolutely a context. But colored people can
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  Speaker 7: be offensive. I don't think that was one of those times.
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  Speaker 7: And once again I'm gonna keep saying this. If colored
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  Speaker 7: people is now offensive, then we need to have a
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  Speaker 7: meeting about the term people. Of color, because that's just
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  Speaker 7: saying colored people with better grammar. And we definitely need
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  Speaker 7: to have a conversation about the National Association for the
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  Speaker 7: Advancement of Colored People.
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  Speaker 6: Right.
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  Speaker 3: It's like the term when you refer to Jewish people,
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  Speaker 3: right and you take off that's all that'sh Right. But
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  Speaker 3: for years people would just say, hey, the so and
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  Speaker 3: so live in that area. It wasn't supposed to mean derogatory.
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  Speaker 3: It was how people would say it. Then we realized
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  Speaker 3: that they didn't like it, So we don't say that word.
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  Speaker 4: Now we say Jewish.
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  Speaker 7: But no, it's still a context of that too, though,
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  Speaker 7: because you know, you can say I remember, we had
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  Speaker 7: the head of the ADL up here, Jonathan Green Black,
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  Speaker 7: and we talked about that and he said, it's all
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  Speaker 7: about context because there's like you can say that word
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  Speaker 7: shortened in a negative thing. We don't even say the
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  Speaker 7: word because we don't.
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  Speaker 3: We don't necessarily amid trying not to practice bad appen
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  Speaker 3: because we don't know.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean, I've been trying to stop
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  Speaker 1: saying the N word for he is that's a damn
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  Speaker 1: line I have.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, you said any word the other day.
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  Speaker 1: Because you be acting like one. I try not to
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  Speaker 1: say it, but I can't think of no other words.
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  Speaker 4: See, let's go to the fold lines. Hello, who's this? Hey,
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  Speaker 4: hey Shan, good morning. What's your thoughts?
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  Speaker 8: So I'm not against color, that's because women have different
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  Speaker 8: beautiful colored children. But I do think we need to
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  Speaker 8: look at the word minority a little bit, just because
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  Speaker 8: what's the minorities majority?
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  Speaker 4: Right?
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  Speaker 8: While we left the hand, you know, I.
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  Speaker 7: Mean, that's just the numbers thing. I get what she's saying,
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  Speaker 7: but it's just the numbers.
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  Speaker 3: Minority means is we're lower numbers as opposed to the
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  Speaker 3: majority of the people, which is but if.
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  Speaker 7: You put all the color together, we're the majority.
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  Speaker 1: Hello, all the colors together with the majority? Key, what's up?
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  Speaker 4: King? You talk to us?
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  Speaker 1: Brother?
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  Speaker 9: What's up? And I wanted to talk about that color thing.
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  Speaker 9: So what I noticed so is like I'm rolling with you,
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  Speaker 9: remain on this one, because what I notice is every
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  Speaker 9: morning you guys play like this thing from the from
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  Speaker 9: the wayans brothers or they say we're happy and we're single.
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  Speaker 7: That word singing singing singing. We're not sing were singing,
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  Speaker 7: we're singing.
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  Speaker 9: Okay, we're singing, But that's what I'm but that's what
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  Speaker 9: I'm saying. It's like like if we if we go
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  Speaker 9: like you know, take afense to some of these words,
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  Speaker 9: and we gotta take it out, like people talking about
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  Speaker 9: the nuble a DP, we gotta change that too, and
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  Speaker 9: then we got to stop playing that stuff, you know,
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  Speaker 9: in the morning and and all of that, and we're
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  Speaker 9: gonna be taking offense to it. You know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, it's common sense to me, my brother, but
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  Speaker 7: you know, common sense ain't common nowadays.
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  Speaker 1: I'm with you, Hello, who's this?
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  Speaker 4: Heye? Good wing to talk to us?
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  Speaker 11: Good morning? Of all I think and these rights, it's
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  Speaker 11: the fealing number one number two. So many some people
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  Speaker 11: who we perceive don't like us, and it sounds like
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  Speaker 11: a label when they say it. When we speak about it,
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  Speaker 11: it's act, but when they speak about it, it's a label.
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  Speaker 11: Just like Jewish people, you know what I'm saying, But
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  Speaker 11: you say Jewish, it's derogatory.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, But those organizations, those people also don't have organizations
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  Speaker 7: named after their slurs. So if color people is indeed
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  Speaker 7: a slur, like we have the National Association for the
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  Speaker 7: Advancement of Colored People.
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  Speaker 11: We're describing ourselves.
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  Speaker 7: So why shouldn't somebody else describe us in that way?
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  Speaker 7: Like I'm trying to fact, I'm just no what.
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  Speaker 11: They say they're labeled, when us, that's a label?
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  Speaker 1: So what is people of color?
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  Speaker 10: To us?
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  Speaker 1: What is people of color?
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  Speaker 11: People of color? We're describing ourselves.
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  Speaker 1: Don't you think that's just colored people with better grammar?
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  Speaker 4: No, because colored people, black people.
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  Speaker 3: People of color is black, it's brown people, it's Indian people.
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  Speaker 4: People, color Indian people people.
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  Speaker 1: But colored people is as well, colored.
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  Speaker 4: People, color people is described as black.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's not.
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  Speaker 3: When you say a colored person, nobody ever think it
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  Speaker 3: was a Latino. If you say color person, nobody ever
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  Speaker 3: think it was Indian.
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  Speaker 1: That's y'all for being stupid. Colored people people, let me
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  Speaker 1: pull look up colored people.
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  Speaker 11: You're as well. We do need to have a conversation
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  Speaker 11: about changing those.
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  Speaker 1: The term color the term colored.
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  Speaker 7: In British usage, the term refers to a person who
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  Speaker 7: is wholly or partly of non white descent, that is
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  Speaker 7: not just black people, y'all.
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  Speaker 1: Like, what are we doing here?
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  Speaker 6: Man?
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  Speaker 1: Seriously, what are we doing?
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  Speaker 8: Why?
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  Speaker 1: Why are we acting so silly here?
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  Speaker 5: Huh?
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  Speaker 7: Well, I mean the more those stories, what I said earlier.
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  Speaker 7: I'm not saying that colored people is not offensive. Anything
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  Speaker 7: can be offensive, right, because everything is about context. So
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  Speaker 7: there's absolutely a context where colored people can be offensive.
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  Speaker 7: I don't think that guy using it on the floor
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  Speaker 7: was one of those times.
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  Speaker 1: But on another.
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  Speaker 7: Note, if colored people is offensive, if it is a slur,
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  Speaker 7: as y'all are trying to tell me this morning, and
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  Speaker 7: we need to have a meeting because we say people
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  Speaker 7: of color, and I feel that's just saying colored people
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  Speaker 7: with better grammar. And we have the NAACP, which is
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  Speaker 7: the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. We
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  Speaker 7: need to have a meeting and revise some things, don't
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  Speaker 7: you think, Right well, we could discuss especially if especially
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  Speaker 7: when y'all keep saying, well it was we created that
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  Speaker 7: word back in nineteen oh nine, but over time it
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  Speaker 7: seemed to be a bad word, all the more reason
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  Speaker 7: we probably should revise some things.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 7: Well, I'm just simply saying, like, what do we were
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  Speaker 7: arguing about something that seems very common sense to me?
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  Speaker 4: Okay, all right, well, let's get to the rumor. Let's
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  Speaker 4: talk about big color then.
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  Speaker 1: BBC it was actually big black, yes, but it's not color.
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  Speaker 4: But but I changed it.
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  Speaker 1: The colors that you like, BCC, big color, BCC.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, we're gonna talk about BCC's when we come back.
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  Speaker 1: All right, you got very excited about that.
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  Speaker 4: We'll get to a nexus the Breakfast logan more