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#2220 Who Is Responsible For Our Health? - Kate Save · The You Project

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  Speaker 1: Oh, g'day, team. It's Harps and Kate. What a bloody duo.
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  Speaker 1: What a combination. What a pair. Fuck. How lucky are you?
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  Speaker 1: He says humbly, hi, Kate.
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  Speaker 2: Hi, Craig.
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  Speaker 1: Are you all right?
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  Speaker 2: I'm good.
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  Speaker 1: What's going on over there at Planet Save?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I did get a little bit bothered the other
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  Speaker 2: day to the point where I actually had to pull
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  Speaker 2: over and vlog about it because it's I saw, you
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  Speaker 2: would have heard the ads, you would have seen the billboard,
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  Speaker 2: the Mac has run. And I just, I'm so angry
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  Speaker 2: that it has been approved because to actually go on
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  Speaker 2: a billboard, you need approval, right? To run ads, to
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  Speaker 2: run radio ads, you need approval. Why is the word
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  Speaker 2: run allowed to be associated with McDonald's? I'm actually perplexed
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  Speaker 2: that it got ad approval.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: In childhood obesity, is it 27% or overweight obesity?
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  Speaker 1: But I don't think they're using it in that context.
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  Speaker 1: It's like you can do a print run. You know,
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  Speaker 1: you can like run as a word that's used. I
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  Speaker 1: get it. And when you think about it in, but
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  Speaker 1: they're not correlating it to health or fitness, like because
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  Speaker 1: there's a well-used term and that is we're doing a
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  Speaker 1: Macca's run. Like people say, we're going out. Do you
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  Speaker 1: want anything? We're doing a Macca's run. I don't think
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  Speaker 1: that was actually coined by McDonald's, but I.
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  Speaker 2: See the relationship. Yeah, wait until you see it on
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  Speaker 2: the freeway, right? You can't see part of it. You
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  Speaker 2: see Macca's and the word run, right? That's what you
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  Speaker 2: see when part of it is hidden. And I just
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  Speaker 2: thought young kids, so I've got two girls that are almost,
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  Speaker 2: one's a teenager, the other one's not. But subliminally it
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  Speaker 2: is what we see and it just surprised me that
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  Speaker 2: running the McDonald's was okay. And even if you look
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  Speaker 2: at the positioning of it, and obviously I'm not a
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  Speaker 2: graphic designer, I'm an expert marketing person, but it is
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  Speaker 2: done in a way to me very clever. It's got
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  Speaker 2: this looks like almost fun run the way it's written.
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  Speaker 2: There's something about it that I get it, but I
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  Speaker 2: feel like it was misleading. And off the back of that, right,
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  Speaker 2: I got served an ad from Australia's sort of biggest
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  Speaker 2: home-delivered meals company with hands holding the biggest burger I've
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  Speaker 2: ever seen and like replicating this as a Macca's burger
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  Speaker 2: saying you can eat this now too on your diet.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm just like what is going on that– Junk
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  Speaker 2: food wants to look healthy and we're going to put
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  Speaker 2: run on the billboard and health food's going to eat
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  Speaker 2: this big, fat burger with almost 70 grams of carbs
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  Speaker 2: in it. It's like 600 and something calories and this
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  Speaker 2: is light. It's really confusing and no wonder the average
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  Speaker 2: punter is confused. Like, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay, I do not disagree with you. But I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to say I think you are attributing too much
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  Speaker 1: integrity and morality to companies. Companies are all sociopaths in
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  Speaker 1: that their sole purpose is to make money. The majority, like,
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  Speaker 1: they don't give a fuck about you or your health.
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  Speaker 1: Of course not. Their mandate is to make money, is
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  Speaker 1: to keep shareholders happy. It's not to create ethically acceptable money.
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  Speaker 1: you know, billboards or billboards that Kate is okay with. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I'm with you, right? I hate junk food. I'm blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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  Speaker 1: But do I expect, I don't think the responsibility of
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  Speaker 1: my health and wellness and whether or not I consume
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  Speaker 1: that or that or that, that's not McDonald's responsibility. Like
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  Speaker 1: the marketers and the branders and the people who build
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  Speaker 1: the billboards, their entire role is is to just sell shit. Absolutely. Like,
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  Speaker 1: I think, one, I get you, it's annoying and there's
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  Speaker 1: maybe this tenuous relationship between the word running and the
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  Speaker 1: biggest fast food brand in the world. I get that.
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  Speaker 1: But also, kind of, This sounds, I don't, but so what?
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  Speaker 1: Like that's just what they do. It's like people sell booze.
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  Speaker 1: People sell, like everybody's selling everything. I mean, jump online.
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  Speaker 1: There's so much shit being sold. Their responsibility, like did
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  Speaker 1: they do anything illegal? That's a different question. But when
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  Speaker 1: you start to talk about ethics and morality and it's
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  Speaker 1: like it's a slippery slope because it isn't their job.
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  Speaker 2: Smoking is banned, right? And so is asbestos. Alcohol is
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  Speaker 2: a class one carcinogen. But now, so overweight and obesity
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  Speaker 2: and obviously lifestyle related conditions have overtaken the number one
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  Speaker 2: cause of death above cigarette smoking. They're worse for you
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  Speaker 2: than cigarette smoking.
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  Speaker 1: So.
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  Speaker 2: Where does that responsibility sit? I think what's playing in
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  Speaker 2: my head is that when it is cigarettes and alcohol
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  Speaker 2: and asbestos, like we ban it, kids can't have it.
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  Speaker 2: When it's food that has, it is actually worse for
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  Speaker 2: you now than cigarette smoking, you'll die or more people
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  Speaker 2: are dying from it. Where does that responsibility sit?
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  Speaker 1: Well, it definitely doesn't sit with the people who sell it.
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  Speaker 1: It sits with, like, they don't give a fuck. They
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  Speaker 1: just want to, like, you've got to be realistic and practical.
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  Speaker 1: You know, every guy or girl on the internet who's
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  Speaker 1: selling coaching or 10-week programs, every one of them is
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  Speaker 1: going to change your life and they're the best coach
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  Speaker 1: and it's the best program and, like, this is what
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  Speaker 1: people do. You're trying to sell yourself, right? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But what if that is linked to death? Like what
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  Speaker 2: if this is now the number one killer?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but so are cars, so are motorbikes, so is
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  Speaker 1: fucking bungee jumping. It's like... But to answer your question,
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  Speaker 1: it's the government's responsibility, right? Now, if McDonald's were doing
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  Speaker 1: something illegal, I'm with you. Do I like the billboard? No.
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  Speaker 1: Do I think, like you, it's kind of shit? Yes. But...
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what we think. What matters is what's legal.
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  Speaker 1: What matters is, you know, until it's illegal, whatever we're
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  Speaker 1: talking about, then people are going to, like companies don't
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  Speaker 1: operate on morality or ethics.
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  Speaker 2: In Australia, but in other countries, Chile and Brazil.
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  Speaker 1: I know, but this is where we are now. Like
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  Speaker 1: where we are now is 2026, you know, September 3, today,
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  Speaker 1: These are the things that are okay. So I'm with you.
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  Speaker 1: Like if it was up to me, which it is not,
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  Speaker 1: but there would so many, there'd be so many things
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  Speaker 1: that weren't available or possible because I under, like we
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  Speaker 1: even going back to cigarettes, right? We absolutely know 100%
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  Speaker 1: that they have killed millions of people and that this drug,
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  Speaker 1: nicotine and all the other drugs in the cigarettes, cause
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  Speaker 1: people to die. Now, that's not a hypothesis or a
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  Speaker 1: thought or an idea. How the fuck... Can any 18-year-old
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  Speaker 1: just walk up to 7-Eleven and buy them? Like why
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  Speaker 1: is that legal? To me, that's a bigger question. But nonetheless,
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  Speaker 1: it is legal. Now, if I created a product that
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  Speaker 1: was 1% as deadly as cigarettes right now, it would
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  Speaker 1: never get approval, right?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: If I created a product.
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  Speaker 2: Except processed food because we are above smoking for rates
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  Speaker 2: of death now.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but that is very hard to establish and correlate
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  Speaker 1: directly because there are so many variables. When you go, okay,
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  Speaker 1: he eats junk food, also he doesn't sleep, also he
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  Speaker 1: doesn't drink any water, also he's slumped over a desk
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  Speaker 1: playing fucking games all day, also he walks less than
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  Speaker 1: 1,000 steps a day, also he's stressed, also he's isolated.
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  Speaker 1: It's very hard to say that this alone is the
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  Speaker 1: cause when there are a multitude of factors. Like, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know how they establish that. I'm with you, though.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I hear.
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  Speaker 1: Like, we think, what are all the things that make
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  Speaker 1: people sick? So, yeah, I mean, food.
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  Speaker 2: And why are we behind in Australia? Why have we
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  Speaker 2: got companies like Chile and Brazil that are putting black
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  Speaker 2: hazard symbols on food that will harm your health and
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  Speaker 2: they can't advertise to children? Yet in Australia, we're like, cool,
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  Speaker 2: advertise to our kids, sell it to our kids. Don't
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  Speaker 2: tell anyone it's bad. Just assume that they know. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But also you think about this. We, and by the way, everyone,
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  Speaker 1: I am about as political as a fucking pair of moccasins.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, me too.
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  Speaker 1: This is on no level of political commentary. So when
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  Speaker 1: I look at politicians, I don't think politically. I think
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  Speaker 1: from a human behavior point of view. I think from
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  Speaker 1: a psychology and a sociology point of view. I look at,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the prime minister, old mate, and I can't
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  Speaker 1: even say it because it would sound It would sound
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  Speaker 1: not nice. And I don't want to be that person.
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  Speaker 1: But I look at him and I'm like, how the
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  Speaker 1: fuck are you the leader of the country? I go,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm not a politician's fucking shoelace. But yeah, so
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  Speaker 1: we have people in positions of power who are in
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  Speaker 1: some cases, the ultimate decision makers or influencers about things
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  Speaker 1: that they really do not understand. One, maybe they do,
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  Speaker 1: or maybe two, they don't care about. Here's the thing.
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  Speaker 1: If you think a politician's primary concern is the welfare
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  Speaker 1: of the people he or she serves and not him
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  Speaker 1: or herself, you don't understand human beings. Now, does that
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  Speaker 1: mean no politicians care about nobody? No, it doesn't. But
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  Speaker 1: I've been, you know, face-to-face with people in the real world,
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  Speaker 1: like at the coalface for four decades plus. People don't
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  Speaker 1: want to say this, but most people's priority is themselves,
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  Speaker 1: is their health, is their career, is their bank balance,
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  Speaker 1: is their– there ain't many.
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  Speaker 2: I love that you put their health second because I'm
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  Speaker 2: not sure that that's second for everyone. It should be first.
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  Speaker 1: But that's the way you think. But also when people
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  Speaker 1: get sick, all they fucking care about is being healthy.
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  Speaker 2: True.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Do you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: Not until they get sick.
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  Speaker 1: Correct. Oh, and that's a whole other conversation. How many people,
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  Speaker 1: we're talking about human behavior, how many people, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I have to be careful sometimes because I can be
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  Speaker 1: too pragmatic and direct, right?
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  Speaker 2: And That's why you have so many listeners.
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  Speaker 1: Go for it. Look, I piss off as many people
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  Speaker 1: as I endear, I'm sure. But here's the reality. Here's
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  Speaker 1: just a practical example of that. So I've got 100
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  Speaker 1: people in a room. I'm doing a talk. And I say,
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  Speaker 1: all right, everyone, don't overthink this, but be brave and honest.
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  Speaker 1: How many of you would like to change your body
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  Speaker 1: to in some way significantly perhaps stronger or better posture
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  Speaker 1: or lower blood pressure or more energy or better health,
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  Speaker 1: whatever that means, or a more effective immune system or
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  Speaker 1: lose a few kilos of fat or gain a few
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  Speaker 1: kilos of muscle, change your body composition, like some of that,
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  Speaker 1: all of that, or a version of that, if there's
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  Speaker 1: 100 people and I just say, I'm not asking you
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  Speaker 1: to commit to anything, but who would like that? Usually
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  Speaker 1: it's 100 hands in the air. Then the next question
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  Speaker 1: that I don't ask, or I could, is how many
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  Speaker 1: of you will now go away because you've told us
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  Speaker 1: what you would like? You've told us what you would
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  Speaker 1: like to look or feel or function like. You've told
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  Speaker 1: us that you want to change your body in some way. Now,
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  Speaker 1: the bigger question is how many of you will go
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  Speaker 1: and do the work to create the change that you
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  Speaker 1: say you want? and this is why i am it
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  Speaker 1: is people like oh it's an education issue it's not
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  Speaker 1: a fucking education issue it's a this is pretty hard
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  Speaker 1: and i don't like hard issue you think people that
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  Speaker 1: eat junk food don't know that junk food is bad
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  Speaker 1: of course they do uh look.
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  Speaker 2: I do have a story uh A friend of mine, diabetes,
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  Speaker 2: had had it for decades. His doctor said, you know,
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  Speaker 2: diabetes is not good, try and lose some weight, walk
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  Speaker 2: a bit more. So it was softly, softly. He then
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  Speaker 2: got his toes chopped off, his foot chopped off and
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  Speaker 2: a below the knee amputation. I will offer you as a, well,
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  Speaker 2: I think the two of you could be great, you know,
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  Speaker 2: podcast together. He's very outspoken now because nobody told him
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  Speaker 2: it would take his leg from him. Nobody said to
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  Speaker 2: him that if you don't do this, this is what's
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  Speaker 2: going to happen. So he went through the next probably
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  Speaker 2: six to nine months after that, absolutely raving furious at
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  Speaker 2: the healthcare system to the point where he was saying
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  Speaker 2: to nurses and doctors, why didn't anyone tell me? So
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  Speaker 2: there is this disconnect with that. It won't happen to me.
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  Speaker 2: But there's also around diabetes and pre-diabetes and insulin resistance
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  Speaker 2: and high blood pressure high cholesterol we go just take
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  Speaker 2: a little medication lose a little bit more weight and
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  Speaker 2: try and stay active we don't actually tell them what
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  Speaker 2: that looks like if they don't and you don't want
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  Speaker 2: to scare people but he genuinely did not know that
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  Speaker 2: was going to take his leg and he would do
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  Speaker 2: anything to have his leg back And that's the true
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  Speaker 2: reality of it, that our government is not putting our
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  Speaker 2: health first. Prevention is 5% of the total sick care budget.
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  Speaker 2: We don't even have health care. We have sick care.
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  Speaker 2: And then you've got people not really being told the
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  Speaker 2: dangers of this and what that means for them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. All right. I feel like I'm very adversarial today.
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  Speaker 2: Go for it.
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  Speaker 1: I love it. One. No, no, no, no. One. I
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  Speaker 1: totally understand that guy's mindset. However.
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  Speaker 2: Same age as you, just so you know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Well, got all my toes.
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  Speaker 2: Got a good life ahead, you know, very unexpected.
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  Speaker 1: But why does he think it's somebody else's job to
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  Speaker 1: educate him? Like, why is it not his job? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: everybody's got Google. Everybody's got AI. You realize you've got diabetes,
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  Speaker 1: jump online and go, what are some of the potential
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  Speaker 1: outcomes of diabetes? Is he waiting for an educator to
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  Speaker 1: knock on his door? I don't think, you know, when
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  Speaker 1: the guy who eats or drinks or lifestyles himself into diabetes,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm not making a judgment, right? Like I've been obese.
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  Speaker 1: When I was obese, it was nobody's fault but mine
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  Speaker 1: because I got myself fat. Wasn't mum, wasn't dad, wasn't genetics,
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  Speaker 1: wasn't society, wasn't the government, wasn't the availability of vegetables.
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  Speaker 1: It was all me. At some stage, we have to go,
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  Speaker 1: I did this to myself. Who gave you.
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  Speaker 2: The wake-up call, though? Because some people don't have you.
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  Speaker 1: I gave myself the wake-up. I gave myself the wake-up
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  Speaker 1: call because I went, I fucking hate the experience of
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  Speaker 1: being a morbidly obese teenager. And nobody knocked on my
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  Speaker 1: door and went, hey, mate, this is how you get
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  Speaker 1: in shape. Now, I'm not saying that I'm special. I'm not.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so the opposite of special. And while I agree
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  Speaker 1: with you, there needs to be more education, but I
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  Speaker 1: don't think the reason, I don't think the overarching reason
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  Speaker 1: that so many people are in such terrible shape in
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  Speaker 1: so many components of their reality is is because they
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  Speaker 1: don't know. I don't think the alcoholic whose life is
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  Speaker 1: going off the rails and who's got bloody liver disease
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  Speaker 1: coming in at three o'clock and bup, I don't think
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  Speaker 1: it's that he or she doesn't know that excessive drinking
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  Speaker 1: is bad. They're well aware. You know, it's like, it's
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  Speaker 1: just that once you're an addict or once you're on
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  Speaker 1: that journey, and again, full respect, I work with people
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  Speaker 1: who are addicted, but I think it's, I think it's
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  Speaker 1: stunningly inadequate to just go, oh, it's an education problem.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's a personal behavior problem. I think it's
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  Speaker 1: a personal choice problem. Also, there are other factors. Like
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  Speaker 1: if you end up in a state where let's say
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  Speaker 1: you've got reasonably good genetics, but by the time you're
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  Speaker 1: 40 or 50 and you are in horrible physical condition,
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  Speaker 1: without pointing fingers and without blaming or without judging, but
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  Speaker 1: there's probably a fair chance that you had something to
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  Speaker 1: do with that, with your choices, lifestyle, diet, behaviour, exercise
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  Speaker 1: or lack thereof. I feel like we're very much in
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  Speaker 1: this blame mindset. We want to be mad at the
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  Speaker 1: government because I got diabetes. Well, bro... Firstly, the government
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  Speaker 1: doesn't give a fuck about you or your blood sugar. Secondly,
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  Speaker 1: you are the boss of your life. You are the
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  Speaker 1: boss of your body. As long as you are trying
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  Speaker 1: to find a reason, any reason but you, I think
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  Speaker 1: you're kind of outsourcing responsibility for your own outcomes. If
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  Speaker 1: I do great, it's my fault. If I do shit,
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  Speaker 1: it's my fault. If I'm fat, it's my fault. This
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  Speaker 1: is how I think. If I'm in shape, it's my fault.
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  Speaker 2: Interesting thought here. So you were obese as a teenager.
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  Speaker 2: So you got to a weight where you went, I
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  Speaker 2: am clearly obese and this is unacceptable. I'm thinking of
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  Speaker 2: this person that did sport their whole life, finished sport
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  Speaker 2: in their 20s, went to uni in their 30s, got
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  Speaker 2: their full-time job in their 40s, went into management, got
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  Speaker 2: off the tools, had a little bit more stress. And
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  Speaker 2: every single year, They ate the equivalent of one piece
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  Speaker 2: of toast extra a day, right?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: We are then talking about two kilos a year of
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  Speaker 2: weight gain. We have now hit 20 years. We're now
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  Speaker 2: 40 kilos overweight, but last year it was 38, 36. counting backwards.
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  Speaker 2: So when did that two kilo increment, creep up and
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  Speaker 2: become a problem. And that's where I think we are,
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  Speaker 2: where we've got 67% of adults who are overweight and obese,
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  Speaker 2: that weight didn't, they didn't just wake up obese. There's
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  Speaker 2: been this slow weight gain. And at no point in time,
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  Speaker 2: yet because otherwise they would be changing or would try
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  Speaker 2: to change. And I'm not saying people aren't trying to change,
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: but maybe they haven't had that wake-up call because it's
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: happened over two or three decades.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: That's a beautiful point and that's a very good context
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: to put it in. And I think what you've described happens.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: Of course it happens. And about your friend, by the way,
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: I'm not trying to disparage your friend who– had the amputations.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: And I do think, like I said before, I'll come
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: back to what you just said, but I just think
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: at some stage with all the things that happen in
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: our life and to us and around us, we can't
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: always outsource blame. Let's not use the word blame. Let's
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: use responsibility. You know, I've had businesses that failed, businesses
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: that worked. I've done speaking gigs where I fucking blew
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: the roof off and I was a bit amazing and
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: others where I was complete dog shit. But both times
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: it was about me, right? Nobody made me good or bad.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: Nobody made me eat anything. I think our life is
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: always giving us data. Our body is always giving us data.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: You know, if we go, well, over the last 20 years,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: I've gained 40 kilos. Well, there was a time where
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: you'd gained six and you knew you'd gained six. And
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: I'm sure you didn't want the six. And then next year,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: I'm sure you didn't want the eight. And then next year,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: like the signs were there.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: But there would have been those little exceptional things, right?
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: There would have been, I just got married. We went
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: on a honeymoon. Two kilos, two kilos, Craig. Come on.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: I went on my honeymoon and gained two kilos. Don't
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: blame me. Next year, I fell pregnant. So I'm pregnant
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: for a year, right? Maybe I've been pregnant two or
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: three times. I've gained two kilos every pregnancy. This is
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: not an issue, but that is on top of the
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: honeymoon weight. And that is on top of finishing sport
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: because I had knee injuries from netball. And now I'm
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: not doing sport anymore. So now I'm at 12 kilos.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: Is that okay? Because I'm trying to lose the body weight,
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: but I have had three kids. Now it's two years more.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: So I've got two more kilos, two more kilos. Now
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: I'm at that 18 sort of kilo mark. When does
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: someone help me see that this might be a problem?
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: All right. That is very well put also. Okay. So
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: let me, before anyone's, somebody's already pissed at me, that's cool.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: But let me explain. When I talk about weight, I
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: don't give a rat's ass what people weigh. I care
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: about their health.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: But we know that there is a correlation between body fat,
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: body weight and health, right? That's not a guess. That's
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: not a stab in the dark. It's not some untested hypothesis.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: This is what we know. There are a lot of
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: obesity-related issues, challenges and diseases. So that's a fact. So
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: when I say I want someone to be leaner, it's
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: not because I don't think they look good or it's
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: not because I think, oh, fuck, that numbers too. It's
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: because I want them to be healthy. And the gateway
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: to health for many people is, among other things, habit change,
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: behaviour change, but it's also weight loss, right?
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: Sorry, have you had this customer that says to you, though,
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: so I had this one, I'm 172 kilos, I'm 29
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: years old, none of my joints hurt, my doctor said
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: my blood pressure is perfect, my cholesterol is perfect, I
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: don't have diabetes. Is this a problem?
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Yes. So I would say, wow, well done you. You've
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: got amazing genetics and congratulations on being that apparently healthy
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: with those particular markers that you indicated.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: But I'm 29.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: Yes. I would say I have never worked with anyone
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: who's 172 kilograms who's 40 years old or 50 years old,
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: who's even in the wild ballpark of being healthy. That
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: isn't a judgment. That is my experience and observation. So
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: when I talk to people, I talk to them as
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: a scientist. I talk to them as an exercise scientist.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: I talk to them as a researcher. And I talk
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: to them as somebody who understands the the relationship between nutrition, exercise, movement, sleep,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: weight gain, body composition, change, right? Also, I talk to
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: them as a human being who was fat and hated
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: being fat. I understand the emotion and the psychology and
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: the sociology around it. And I want to give them
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: a big fucking hug. But I can say, I understand,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: I empathize, I care about you. let's hug it out.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Here's a cuddle, whatever the fuck. I can do all
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: of that, but you're still going to die 20 years
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: earlier than you would have if you don't change your physiology.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: So it's age.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: Age is a factor with weight. So, you know, we're
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: talking about weight and weight gain, but that as you age,
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: that weight becomes more and more dangerous. There's isn't that
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: the point in time? Like that amount of weight that
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: came on in your 20s and your 30s didn't have
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: any maybe health effects that you could measure from a
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: symptom point of view. But if that weight is still
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: creeping on in your 50s and 60s, this is when
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: that underlying insulin resistance, inflammation, all of these things start
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: to mask or turn into symptoms.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, 100%. And I think, so we were talking about
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: education before. Well, you as someone who's got a master's
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: in nutrition and a master's in exercise physiology and is
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: a dietician and is a business owner and is at
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: the coalface of health and wellness and, you know, you're
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: in this space. It is your job, I think, and
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: it is my job as someone who has a platform
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: and a bit of knowledge to, you know, this, for me,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: this episode is about education. So I would say to
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: the 29 year old who has no apparent symptoms yet,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: I would say that is great. And I could be wrong,
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: but I don't think that will continue for you. I
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: do not think when you're 39 or maybe 34 in
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: five years that I could be wrong and I will
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: happily stand corrected. I think it's unlikely that your skeleton,
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: your joints, ligaments, tendons, heart, lungs, spine, discs, can you
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: maybe survive?
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Do you want to survive or do you want to thrive?
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Do you want to go, oh, look, I'm not dying
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: and I'm this big, or do you want to be,
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: without mentioning a size or a shape or a weight,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: Would you like to be closer towards the optimal end
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: of the health scale for you? We're talking about you,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: not compared to Kate or Craig or anyone else, but
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: for you. Not many people want to fail. Not many
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: people want to be unhealthy. And so it's like, yes,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: you are you're going okay. And I would call that
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: a blessing, not an outcome of intelligent behavior. I would
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: call that a blessing or luck or amazing genetics or
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: whatever it is.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: And he did end up losing the weight. And he
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: was so much happier. He got engaged and it was
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: his first relationship. So it did all work out for him.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: Did he have to have heaps of surgery for skin? No.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Uh, I think he was going to, I didn't see
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: the final result, but his first goal was to get
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: under 120 and he managed to get under that. And
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: the comment that I remember, and this is an interesting
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: one for you to pull apart because you've got the
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: knowledge here is he said, I didn't know who I
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: was because I wasn't the funny fat guy. Right.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, so I said this this morning on a
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: on a podcast or maybe it was yesterday, but we're
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: talking about, yeah, it was last night. We're talking about,
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: you know, identity. And so when I was the fat
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: 14 year old who couldn't run fast, jump high or
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: get great outcomes academically, or I probably could have, but
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: I didn't do any fucking work. So anyway, I, I,
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: my go-to was to be the somewhat amusing, slightly cheeky,
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: slightly funny storyteller, uh, fat kid. And that became, you know, Jumbo,
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: my name, Jumbo's funny, Jumbo's tell a story, mate, tell
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: a joke, mate. I was, you know, I wasn't the funniest,
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: but that was my, that was about the only kind
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: of golf club I had in my bag. It's like
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: the only one I could hit, right? So you become
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: the version that works socially and emotionally. So when you
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: get external validation, because Kate, you're super smart. You're very articulate.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: You've got multiple master's degrees. You're just this success story
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: and everyone loves you and thinks you're amazing and and
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: meet my friend Kate, she's this and that. And all
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: of a sudden you get approval and recognition and acceptance
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: and a form of love because of how clever you
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: are or because of your great results. Well, that becomes addictive,
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: of course, of course. Or maybe you're gorgeous, guy or girl,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: maybe you're gorgeous and you've gotten approval, recognition, validation, acceptance,
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: all of these things for the last 20 years because
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: you're just this this hottie just this you know that
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: everyone goes oh my god how gorgeous is she how
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: gorgeous is he of course well then all of a
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: sudden you hit 45 and you ain't what you were
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: And what you were was basically this physical representation of
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: excellence or beauty. Now you're a 70% version of what
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: you once were. Now you're like, who the fuck am I?
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: I'm not getting all this attention. I'm not as beautiful
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: as I was. I'm not as lean as I was.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: I'm not as in demand as I was. This is where,
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: you know, it's trying to understand who we are behind
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: who we think we are. Like we think... Like when
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: you get recognition, acceptance, approval, love for whatever it is,
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: being the big, fat, funny guy in your friend's place
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: or example, then that becomes your identity. And when now
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: you're not big and fat anymore, you're like, well, who
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: the fuck am I? And can I still be funny
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: if I don't look that way? And is it the
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: same with a skinny guy telling those jokes? Or, yeah,
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: so the, I mean, that's very much an Eckhart Tolle
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: episode or conversation, but it's like- And for me, who
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: very much identified with his body because that was, you know,
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: I went from out of shape to in shape and
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: unpopular to more popular and unaccepted to quite accepted and
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: unnoticed to quite noticed and coming last to coming close
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: to first and all of those things. And you're like, well,
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: all of this magic happened because of my body.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: Go on. I was going to say, even as an example,
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: because I use such an extreme, but if we use
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: that first sort of example, so we've got this mum
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: now who's 45. She's, you know, five foot something, like
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: a pretty average height, and she's 75 kilos, right? 75 kilos,
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: but she was 55 kilos on her wedding day. So
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: that 20 kilos makes her feel very uncomfortable, right? But
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: only because she's hit 45 has she gone to the
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: doctor to have her blood tests and whatever else, her checkup,
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: and he said, you have high blood pressure. When does someone,
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: like where is that wake-up call? It's very hard for
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: someone to say to a woman at 45 who's a
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: normal weight because normal is 67% of the population, right?
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: How do we help people from a health point of view,
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: not weight, health? And this is where I want to
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: flip it into body composition. How do we have that
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: conversation about being stronger, building muscle and being healthier without
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: upsetting people? Because this is not a failure on their
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: behalf because their body fat percentage has gone up. This
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: is more about as you've aged, as you've had your kids,
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: as you've transitioned your job and your perimenopause and everything else,
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: your body composition has changed. So how do we help
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: people understand body composition and use that as a gateway
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: or a tool to help people actually get healthier? Because
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: we know body composition is directly related to health, whereas weight,
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: it depends what that weight is.
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: Okay. That's really interesting. So good questions as always. So
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: let me think about the 78 kilo, five foot four,
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: 45 year old lady. So there's two scenarios. Scenario one,
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: she goes to the doctor, he measures her blood pressure
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: and goes, all right, well, there's a problem. And the
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: problem is your blood pressure is high. I'm going to
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: put you on a medication that will lower it. Bibbidi-bobbidi-boo.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: Take it once a day. Your blood pressure will come down.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: You're welcome. See Donna at reception. That'll be $ 64. See
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: you in June. That's number one. Number two is they
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: go to a different doctor who goes, oh, wow, your
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: blood pressure is high. I wonder why that is because
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: it wasn't two years ago when we chatted, but also
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: you've put on 10 kilograms and You are carrying quite
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: a bit of weight for your height. And while, yes,
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: we can treat the symptoms right now, which we will,
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: we'll put you on a medication. put you on a
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: bit of Avapro 150, just a lower or a bit
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: of aspirin or whatever it is, whatever the strategy is.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: But also, let's deal with the cause. Let's talk about
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: the problem because the high BP is the symptom. Let's
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: talk about what's causing, that is, the problem that is
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: creating this symptom. The symptom is what we see. The
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: cause is the underlying thing that perhaps we don't recognize
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: or can't see sometimes. So that's... but also the model,
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: the paradigm. And again, I love doctors. I've got friends
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: who are medical doctors and the way that people treat
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: and prescribe and think varies across the spectrum. I had
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: a guy on the other two nights ago, Dr. Matt Klein, something,
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: who's a medical doctor, a psychiatrist, and he's a world
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: leader in medicine. metabolic psychiatry. Just talking to him is like, oh, fuck,
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: this is firstly, I'm a dummy. Secondly, this is fascinating.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: And so we're starting to think about not just managing
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: the symptoms of psychosis and associated conditions, but rather treating
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: the underlying problems. Right. What's my long winded point? My
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: long winded point is, you know, we don't need a
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: PhD to understand that being 20 kilos heavier than I
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: was five years ago is probably not great for me.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: So there is a component of collaboration, like working with
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: a Kate Save, who's got all this knowledge, all this physiological, biological, clinical, nutrition, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: where you can say, hey, Craig, I think based on
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: where you're at, this is a good strategy for you.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: Are you okay with that? Will you collaborate? And then
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: you give me the information, the direction and the tools,
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: and then I walk away and I don't do what
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: you've said.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: And this is my man with the amputation. Blood pressure
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: medication at 45, high blood sugar levels, 61 amputation. This
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: is what I mean about the wake-up call. When does
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: someone actually say we need to do this now? Because
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: there was none of that. It was the two kilos
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: a year over decades. And that's the part that I
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: think As a society, we need to be aware of
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: and we can't solve for it, but we need to
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: talk about it because not talking about it. is how
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: this happened to this man without him knowing. Because the
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: doctor put him on the blood pressure medication, then he
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: went on his metformin, and then he went on his
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: jolly way. He was taking his medication, he kept taking it,
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: kept gaining two kilos a year. And you know, these
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: things are happening. So they say insulin resistance happens maybe
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: 10 to 20 years before you get type 2 diabetes.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: So this was happening maybe in his mid-20s or something.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: But Nobody is testing for this. And I think helping
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: educate people that you should know what your fasting blood
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: glucose is and you should know what your fasting insulin is,
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: that will give you a Homer index, which is your
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: marker of how well your metabolism is using and working
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: and how you are using fuel, how you are burning
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: fat and burning carbohydrate. If that is not working well,
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: you have a fuel partitioning issue, you have a metabolic
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: flexibility issue that you can resolve 100% with exercise and
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: a little bit of change to your diet. But that
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: script doesn't exist. With that blood pressure medication did not
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: come any education around actually this has been going on
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: for 10 to 20 years before people that blood pressure
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: got high and we didn't even tell you that was
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: happening because we didn't do the blood test because you
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: can't ask for a blood test unless you're sick. If
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: you go to most doctors and say, I want my
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: Homer index done, look for insulin resistance, tell me if
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: I don't have high blood sugar levels but might have
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: this thing that leads to high blood sugar levels, it
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: is invisible. It's, you know.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: Yes. As you're talking, I'm thinking, You know, it would
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: be amazing. It's almost like in. Western countries anyway, the
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: most needed, but probably the program that would sell the worst,
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: the most needed, but the least in demand. You and
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: I could run, imagine hypothetically, like I've never said this,
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: Kate and I have never spoken about this. I've never
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: said this out loud, but Imagine if you and I
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: and one or two other professionals, we ran a week,
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: one week program, five days. And the program is called
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: How Your Body Works. And the sole purpose of that
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: week is to teach people the fundamentals about whatever it is,
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: blood sugar, blood pressure, Hypertension, hypotension, how food is synthesized
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: in your body, what's metabolism, blah, blah, blah. All of
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: a sudden, people know because sometimes you and I talk
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: about stuff and everyone should know this. Then they don't
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: even know what that term is, which is very understandable.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: I do the same thing when I'm listening to different conversations.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, put me in a finance room and kill me
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: with all your ratios.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, 100%. Or I talk to Melissa about tech and
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't get it. You choose, right?
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: But imagine if every person had a reasonably basic understanding
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: of what the different variables are, you know, around sleep,
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: around exercise, around movement, around posture, around sitting versus standing,
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: around self-regulation, around reading food labels, around understanding glycemic index
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: or processed carbs versus not. And then where people can
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: start to make informed, really quite informed decisions where they
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: We'd never have anyone again who didn't know the potential
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: consequences of diabetes or the preventative things that we can
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: do to delay the onset of cognitive decline. or the
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: supplements like creatine that I heard you speak about on
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: the radio that some people are using and seems to
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: have really valid research around it, that people can take
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: some supplements that actually move the needle on things like
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: cognitive function, focus, attention, memory, and more broadly, brain health
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: over the long term, right? But, you know, like I've
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: got mates who they could tell you inside out how
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: their car works. Like they could pull it apart and
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: rebuild it and everything, everything, gearbox, motor, running gear, you know,
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: like everything. See, that's how little I know because I
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: can't even expand on that. That's how much of a
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: fuck we are, right? But it doesn't impact my health
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: if I know how to pull the motor, right? I
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: just think something like that would sell no tickets, but
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: fuck it would be a good program.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: I just love, I'm jumping out of my skin that
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: we have done a full circle that we are back
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: to education matters because this is the crux of it.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: Oh, fuck, you trapped me.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: We are back to education matters that people actually don't know, Craig.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: They don't know and they don't even know what test
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: to ask for. I go and do talks about health
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: and they say, can you work with me one-on-one? I
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: don't have time to work with everyone one-on-one. But they don't,
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: they just want to go, well, what do I ask
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: my doctor for? What do I ask for? They don't
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: know what to ask for. And their doctor doesn't offer
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: it up. And that is not the doctor's fault. Our
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: healthcare system is not funding preventative health. So the doctor
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: is not allowed to write the test for the things
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: unless you're sick.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: Yes. Yes. Yeah. It's well, Let's not bitch or complain,
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: but it's like all of the systems, you know, the
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: medical system, the education system, the government, you know, like
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: we live in the middle of all of these different
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: systems and protocols and rules and laws and regulations. Understandably,
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: that's how a society works, but not everything that we're
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: subjected to or need to comply with is necessarily optimal
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: for us, right?
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: Now, before we go.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: Very last thing, you are back to this full circle again,
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: that health is the most important thing and that because
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: the governments aren't talking about it and the Maccas run
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: and they're eating big burgers and whatever, we are back
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: to it that health actually matters because without our health,
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: we have nothing. you take someone's health away, there is
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: nothing else left. There is no money, no job, no career, nothing.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: Our health is everything, yet it is not a priority
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: from the government. And as you said, they're not going
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: to do anything that's not for us. So we need
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: to take on that accountability and responsibility, not just Craig
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: and I, but we with everyone who's listening. And And Craig,
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: I guess we've got the knowledge and so many of
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: the people that we know in our circles to actually
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: help people with preventative health so they know what to
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: ask for.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, if the government said to me, which is
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: not going to happen tomorrow, we're going to give you
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: $ 100, 000 to take away 100 people for a week. We're
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: going to pay you, Craig, $ 0, 000. but we're going to
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: finance it for the hunt, my hand would be straight up.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: I'm there with you. That's 100 lives we would save,
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: and that $ 100, 000 is less than what they pay for
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: renal dialysis for someone who's got diabetes that has ended
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: up in kidney failure per year.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: Now, before we go, I want you to tell everybody
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: how fucking amazing this My in-body scan was yesterday.
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: I'm so excited. Firstly, tell them what happened. I will
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: admit I was a little bit braggy McBragster, which I
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: know is not humble and I know it's not cool,
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: but I was very happy with the results that I got.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: What did you do? What did you use? Just explain
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: to people.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: Okay, so I've got an in-body machine, which is a
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: bioelectrical impedance. So it literally just sends little electrical frequencies
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: through your body. And then those frequencies actually go into
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: your cells and they measure what your cells are made of.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: They can then tell us from that reading, whether that
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: is lean mass or bone mass or fat mass. So
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: then from that, we have Craig's body composition. So we
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: can see how much of Craig is muscle how much
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: is body fat and how much is estimated bone mass.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: And it's not just what is fat and what is muscle,
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: it's where that is. So I think that the thing
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: that is really impressive is he's every single bit of
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: his body. So we analyze five parts, right arm, left arm, trunk,
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: right leg, left leg. His muscle on each of those
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: parts of his body is completely balanced and his fat
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: is completely balanced. But what is fantastic for Craig who, Craig,
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: I'm sure you've told people your age, but he's.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: In his 60s. Yeah, I'm 62.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: 62. His body fat percentage is unbelievable, 10.2% body fat.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: That is absolutely incredible. extraordinary for your age. Now, that
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: wouldn't be extraordinary if you didn't have muscle. That would
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: actually be shameful because you would die quickly if you
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: fell over because you'd fracture your hip and the chance
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: of death after that is high. But your muscle mass,
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: you're actually over-muscled. You're significantly over-muscled. You've got over 40
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: kilos of muscle to your very small amount of body
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: fat of 8 kilos. So whatever you are doing is
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: creating the healthiest version of you with the lowest inflammation,
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: the lowest amount of abdominal fat. And the other thing
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: that Craig asked me is, so he got a score.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: So out of 100, Craig scored 92. which I'm very
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: disappointed to say from my behalf, he beat me and
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: I'm much younger than Craig. So that is disappointing on my,
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: it's motivating for me to do a training workout with you, Craig,
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: and you can push me. The other thing that's really
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: interesting that this does is what we call phase angle. Now,
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: phase angle is, you can talk about it, how things
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: go in and out of cells, but basically it gives
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: you a marker of your overall health. Craig's phase angle
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: is the equivalent of about a 34 to 35-year-old. So
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: you've got something to brag about. You're doing a good job.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: Whatever you're telling people to do actually works. So well done, Craig.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: And now the government can give you the money to
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: train 100 people, save 100 lives.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: Also, thank you, Kate. That made me feel happy. Visceral
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: fat of three.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: On a scale of one to 59, under nine is healthy. Three,
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: Craig has abdominal fat, so around the organs, of nearly
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: the lowest level you could possibly have.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: You're welcome, world. It does my life suck, yes, but
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: fuck I'm lean. Do I hate every day? Yes. But
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: look at that visceral fat. Yes.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: It's consistent you walk every day you do your 10
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: 000 steps and you do your weight training you're not
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: obsessed like you're walking you're not out there running 20ks
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: trying to do marathons You're just getting your steps up.
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: So what you're asking people to do is reasonable, but
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: the payoff is extraordinary if you're consistent.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, 100%.
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: Well, last night I trained with my training partner, The Crab,
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: aka Mark Lampard, and all we did was lat pulls, fundamental,
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: six or seven exercises, or six or seven sets.
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: The last three sets were horrible and hard and made
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: me want to spew. Then we did seated row about
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: the same. So two exercises, 14 sets, and the last
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: three sets of each movement were to the point where
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: if you said, Craig, here's $ 100, do three more, I
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: couldn't do it, right? So my actual training, we were
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: at the gym for an hour. We spoke for 45 minutes.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: The actual work time where I was actually lifting something
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: was was maybe, you know, I did 14 sets, a
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: minute a set, 14 minutes, right? It's definitely not over
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: the top. So, yeah, you need a good program. It
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: needs to be done the right way. It kind of
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: needs to be the right program for your body and needs.
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: All of that, yes. But what matters is that once
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: you have that sorted, which is really just, you know,
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: knowledge and planning and structure and process, but it just
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: matters that you get there most days of your life,
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: And whether or not maybe it's at the pool, maybe
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: it's at the running track, maybe it's the climbing wall,
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: maybe it's the beach. It doesn't have to be the gym.
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: But whatever it is that you do as an intervention
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: to lower your metabolic age or to improve your strength
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: or power or function or immune system or just be consistent.
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: Brain volume. Muscle mass is related to brain volume. So
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: the bigger your muscles, the higher your brain volume.
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, 100%. And we know that, you know, we spoke
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: about creatine before, but yeah, just strength training is also
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: a mechanism for improved cognitive function other than the having
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: more muscle mass. Yeah, so that was fun. But you
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: know what it was more than anything? Because I haven't
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: had that done for a long time. So I was
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: a bit scared because I'm like, shit, what if my
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: results are bad?
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: It says you're 100 instead of 60.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she's 112. Yeah. Yeah, but just thinking, oh, good,
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: it's working. So I spoke to, I was talking, am
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: I going to tell? Anyway, a friend of mine, her
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: name is Maria. She is one of the best power
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: lifters in the world for her age. I mean, like fucking,
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: I'm not even joking. She's 61. Yeah. Oh, wow. She's
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: literally stronger than me in most things. I mean, she's
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: a world champion, right? Gosh. So she's going away next
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: week to compete, and we're talking about the various lifts.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: I said, what's your goal for deadlift? So her target
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: for deadlift next week is 230 kilograms, which is four
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: pounds under 500 pounds.
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: My goodness.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: 230 kilograms. Now, I don't know what she weighs, but
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: it's not heaps. I mean, she's solid and strong, but
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: maybe she weighs 70. I'm not sure. But it's like,
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: oh my God, I'm not suggesting anyone should do that.
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: I'm just suggesting what's fucking amazing is when you actually
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: You just give your body what it needs rather than
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: what people might suggest is appropriate for your age, right?
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: If you listen to some people, they're going to have
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: you sitting in a circle with other old people kicking
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: a fucking balloon around the room. and getting older by
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: the minute. Whereas I'm like, well, let's get those 80
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: year olds and let's be really intelligent and strategic and
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: let's actually build muscle. Can you do that at 80? 100%.
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: Can you build strength and function and coordination and balance
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: and confidence and cognitive capacity at 80? Yes, you can.
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: Is that what's done in most retirement homes or whatever? No,
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: not most, right? And again, this is not a slight.
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: This is more observation. This is more awareness. I want
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: to build a program. If the government would give me
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: all the money they could, I would take zero pay
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: and I would work tirelessly to build a program that
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: can be run around Australia with different fitness professionals where
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: we're actually making old people strong. Strong. So it's not.
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: Lifespan, it's that lifespan. So let's say we're living to 82.
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: Apparently our health ends at about 63 was the last
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: number I saw. So in the past, we would have
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: died around 63, 64, but now we take polypharmacy, which
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: is lots of medication. So you can stay alive with
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: no quality and we just prolong your death on medication
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: with loss of function every year. That is not living longer.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we should do something about that. See, this is
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: to me, I forget, I don't forget I'm on a podcast,
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: but I get excited about shit and I'm like, We
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: should flesh out this concept. Maybe we could do it,
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: maybe not. But imagine being able to create something where
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: there's no agenda. People go, you know, but, oh, what
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: about it? No, I'm not getting paid, so fuck your agenda.
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: I don't want anything. I don't want anything now or
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: in the future from that. I just want to do
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: that because that would be so good for so many
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: people And then if we could start to change the
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: thinking around what old people should be doing or could
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: be doing, and yes, we want to care. My mum's
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: 86 and she's in care, right? Could, and for 86
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: turning 87 in December, she's quite amazing. She's had cancer
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: twice and she's got one lung and she walks fine,
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: talks fine. There's a little bit of cognitive decline, but
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: She's kind of amazing. And she's quite atypical, you know.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: And the last year, of course, has been very taxing
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: on her. But almost even in the last three weeks
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: since dad's funeral, and so she's obviously sad and grieving
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: and all of the things, But she's now, she doesn't
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: have to care for dad the way that she did
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: and now she's getting sleep and now she's getting a
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: level of social interaction that she didn't. And now there
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: are people making meals for her three times a day,
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: not the other way around. And now she doesn't have
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: to clean the fucking bathroom. And now, right now, all
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: of a sudden I'm seeing my mum come back to
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: life a little bit, right?
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: It happened to my dad. My dad's 83, same thing.
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: It's like somebody's just come and watered a plant that
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: has been screaming for some kind.
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: Of freedom and hydration. Yeah, that ability to put themselves
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: first and look after their health. My dad walks twice
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: a day every day and does strength training exercises at home.
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: I asked him to show me what he did and
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: I was terrified because he does walking forwards, walking backwards,
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: all these things that I'm like, A balance challenging, but
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: I'm like, can you balance well enough to do these things?
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: And he can. And he's so determined on doing them
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: every single day of his life. He would never, ever
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: miss his two walks. Even if there was a tornado
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: out there, you couldn't stop him from walking because he knows,
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: he watches YouTube and he's like, I've seen it. I
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: don't want to end up like that. I'm going to
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: keep doing this. But it's only since mum died that
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: that dad has this newfound energy because I don't know why.
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: I don't know why, but he does.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's amazing.
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: One quick story, then we'll jam, unless you've got another
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: quick story. But I used to– I trained this lady
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: for about 18 years when I was a trainer. Like
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: when she started with me, she was morbidly obese. She
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: got in great shape. She went from, you know, eating
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: cake for breakfast to– all the things. She got strong.
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: She got fit. She got functional. She did the first
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: run as in fun run type thing she'd ever done
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: in her life at about 55. She ran a half
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: marathon with me. So 21.1Ks, she didn't stop. Another half
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: marathon with me. And then when she was about 60,
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: I took her to the park. We used to leave.
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: We train in the gym most days, but we'd leave
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: the gym one or two days a week and we'd
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: just go outside and do shit. So at about 60,
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: I taught her to kick a footy. So here's this lovely,
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: gorgeous Jewish lady. Doesn't matter that she's Jewish. She just
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: is 60 years old. And she's like, this is stupid.
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: What am I doing this for? I go, oh my God,
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: so many reasons. And I taught her how to kick
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: a footy both feet. So left and right foot, handball,
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: left and right hand. And where we were at this
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: park near my gym, There was a child's playground and
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: around the playground was those, you know, those round pole timber,
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: it's called treated pine timber. Yep. The whole park was
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: boarded in these round logs. It's like a fence. When
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: she started, she couldn't walk one length, which is about
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: two metres. By the time we finished, she could walk
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: around the entire perimeter of the playground without falling off.
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: So we started working in her 60s on hand-eye coordination, dexterity, balance,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: fine motor skills, gross motor skills, all of these things that,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: you know, that we don't do when we're old, you know,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: that saying.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: Don't throw the ball in the house so then they
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: don't go outside so they don't throw the ball. There
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: is no ball anymore.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: No, much better than that. Much better than that. We
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: don't stop playing because we grow old. We grow old
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: because we stop playing.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: Oh, right. Yeah, right. right?
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: It's like, oh, you know who should bounce a ball,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: throw a basketball, maybe do a little bit of skipping,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: maybe do a relay with some friends, maybe kick a footy,
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: maybe throw a frisbee, fucking everyone. That's who.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: That sounds fun.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: Imagine being, you're training with a trainer and now you're
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: using balls and you're using frisbees and you're throwing tennis balls,
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: you're throwing, you're catching, you're bouncing a ball from right
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: hand to left off the ground, left hand to right
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: off the ground. Like your body's waking up. Your body's
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: waking up.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: It's no longer exercise and you no longer hate it.
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  Speaker 2: You're just having fun and time passes.
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  Speaker 1: I think you and I are going to take over
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  Speaker 1: the world. We're going to hijack the government with this
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  Speaker 1: fitness program. You probably can't say that. I'll probably have
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  Speaker 1: a knock at the door tomorrow. Tell people about your business,
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  Speaker 1: about what you do, how they can connect with you
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  Speaker 1: and so on.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, dietitian, exercise physiologist, diabetes educator. I founded BeFit Food,
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  Speaker 2: a ready-made home-delivered meals company that uses everything I know
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  Speaker 2: about food and nutrition to put it into small, convenient, high-protein, low-carb,
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  Speaker 2: high-vegetable content meals with meat, of course. Yeah, all of
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  Speaker 2: the good stuff, none of the sugar, low sodium. BeFitFood.com.au.
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  Speaker 1: Now, this is not bullshit. This is not an ad, everyone.
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  Speaker 1: I was just at IGA, which is 40 metres from
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  Speaker 1: my home And I went over to get a few things.
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  Speaker 1: And while I was there, I saw B-Fit food in
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  Speaker 1: the fridge. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: I might get one of these for dinner. And I'm
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  Speaker 1: not going to lie. Of course, I know that's your brand.
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  Speaker 1: But for about 10 seconds, I forgot. Oh, this is
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  Speaker 1: Kate's brand. And I bought... Chicken, it's some kind of
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  Speaker 1: barbecue smoked chicken and mash spud and something else. And
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  Speaker 1: it's fucking huge. And it was like 12 bucks. I'm like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this is me. This is dinner. So I'm actually, I'm
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  Speaker 1: hand on heart eating B-Fit food tonight for dinner. So
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  Speaker 1: I'll give you a report. Amazing.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, Craig.
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  Speaker 1: You're welcome. And cheap. I'm like, really?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Cheap and good. And I looked at the nutritional label
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  Speaker 1: and not surprisingly, outstanding. No bullshit.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: All right, everyone. Hope you enjoyed that. Kate and I
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  Speaker 1: are off to reinvent the wheel and we'll talk next time.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, Kate.
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  Speaker 2: Pleasure. Thanks for having me.