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Loons: Tate McRae, Jennifer Lawrence on Instagram, Signal president Meredith Whittaker and more! · Loons: embrace, understand and ignore the internet with Carmen Vicente and Danielle Gibson

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_00: Hi, I'm Danielle.
• 0:01
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm Carmen.
• 0:02
  SPEAKER_00: And this is Loons, the show where we discuss the things on the internet that we embrace, understand, or ignore.
• 0:08
  SPEAKER_00: And we have some fresh, juicy things to talk about this week.
• 0:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I actually have a Loon's exclusive.
• 0:13
  SPEAKER_01: But I feel like you're onto something.
• 0:16
  SPEAKER_01: So maybe you start.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, well, I mean, huge news.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_00: Huge news for us because we are Canadian.
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not sure if people are aware.
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_00: We are, in fact, Canadian ladies.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_00: Canada is number one at the box office on the charts.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_00: Let's take a little trip to Canada land where we talk about Tate McRae.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_00: Number one on the global sci-fi shout charts with her new song, Housewife.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_00: Have I listened?
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_00: Have I listened to any Tate McRae song?
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think so.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, I mean, I just to weigh in, I haven't listened to Housewife.
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_01: I saw a clip on TikTok, and but I have listened to Tate McRae songs.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_01: I could you sing one?
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_01: There's one that's called Sports Car.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_00: Would I sing it?
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, but do you like that's my thing with Tate McRae?
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_00: Not to be a hater.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_00: I know she's Canada down, so we love her and we respect her.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_00: But like I could not name a Tate McRae song other than Housewife now.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_01: But can you picture could you picture a music video?
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_01: Because I do.
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, because she's always cutting her own.
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, she's always dancing.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_00: She's a great dancer.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_00: I have no hate.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_00: Listen, I'm coming at this from a very old lady point of view where I see Tate McRae.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_00: Tate McCrae, you actually can't escape.
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_00: And that's why I wanted to bring her up to you to be like, what am I missing?
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_00: Because as far as I know, Tate McQuee McCrae exists in some sort of vacuum that potentially only 20-somethings are appreciating her the way she deserves to be appreciated.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_01: I looked her up to say she's 23.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_00: She's 20.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_00: She's so young.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_00: Good for her.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_00: Top of the world.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_00: Good for her.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_00: She's got, I don't know if it's new.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think it's Neutrogena sponsorship.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_00: She's in like a Calvin Klein's ad.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_00: She's on the cover of the magazine.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_00: Which magazine I'm not sure, but she's on the cover.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_00: One, at least one.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_00: She's not inside.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_00: She's on the cover.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_00: She's got a number one hit.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_00: People love her.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_00: But I'm like, who's who?
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_00: Who's listening to this?
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_00: Is it the Hoddies?
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_00: Hotie's Getting Ready.
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_00: Is it getting ready music?
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_01: I think, okay, so I don't know quite if it's Hottie's Getting Ready music.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_01: I I definitely don't think it's infiltrating the millennials, but maybe we're lame.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_01: There's that.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, for sure.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_01: But I think like my like, so I did, I was like, I want to know why Danielle wants to talk about Tate McRae so much.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_00: I've been trying to talk about Tate McRae multiple times.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_01: But like my thing is she's extremely sexy.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_01: Her message is very sexy.
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_01: She doesn't wear a lot of clothing.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to be the woman who's uh like I don't want to sled shame.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, no, yeah, I'm sexy.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_01: Go for it, be sexy.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_01: Like she's 23.
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_01: She should be at the car.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_01: No, like she's like she's like at the the prime of like what a female human body is.
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_00: And with that dancing.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, she's on the Zamboni.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_00: She's on the Zambia.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, having the ice.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_01: Which so I okay.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_01: I also read an article this morning about her new because I was like, I gotta prep this Tate McRae material.
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_01: But that's the only person to ever say that.
• 3:10
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, gone.
• 3:10
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I was like, I can't walk into this and not know anything about her.
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I just like I think what it is is that in a sort of Sabrina Carpenter way, she's willing to go sexier than almost like anybody.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_01: Like she's like doing like splits in like underwear.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, wow, that seems like wild, even for just like primetime TV, but she's going there.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_00: I guess the difference between a Tate McCrae and a Sabrina Carpenter for me is I understand Sabrina Carpenter because I've listened to her music, and that's that me as far as like no one doesn't know that song and can sing that song.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so that was like an inescapable song that everyone knows.
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_00: Whereas I don't know that Tate McCrae has that.
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_00: She must, she must.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_00: But also, Sabrina was a Disney star and had the beef with Olivia Rodrigo.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_00: Like there's a lot going on to Sabrina Carpenter.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_00: Whereas Tate McCrae, I think, is just like minding her business, polishing the ice on the Samboni.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 4:05
  SPEAKER_00: Is she from Calgary?
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_00: She seems like she is.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_00: And has like a hockey boyfriend.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_00: Does she?
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_00: She should if she doesn't.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_00: I think she did.
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_01: And then she was dating that guy who looks like Justin Bieber.
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_01: Shane, Sean Mendes.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_01: Sean Mendes doesn't look like Justin Bieber at all.
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 4:25
  SPEAKER_01: The kid, the kid Leroy.
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, kid LaRoy.
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_00: He's Australian.
• 4:29
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_00: He's Australian.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_00: I think she should only be allowed to date Canadians.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_00: Listen, I am rooting for her because it's against the law for me to not root for a Canadian.
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_00: But I just we support all Canadians.
• 4:41
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I think it's amazing that you went and did research on her.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_00: I have done nothing of the sort.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_00: Research.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_00: Because I am inundated with Tate McRae news, Tate McRae picks, Tate McRae um facts, or not really facts, but Tate McRae, Tate McRae visuals across my timelines.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm still like, okay, but why?
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_00: Good for her.
• 5:00
  SPEAKER_00: Totally good for her.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_01: I have a theory.
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_01: I think, I think we're not her target demographic.
• 5:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, okay, that's fine.
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not told.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_01: And the other thing that I like didn't land for me when I was reading about this new album or this new single, this housewife single, is that like she sang in the song, like, I'm my own housewife.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_01: Like, not I will be the housewife for someone.
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_01: And people were saying, Oh, it's so subversive.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, I don't know if I would call this subversive.
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_01: And so I'm like, am I the dummy that doesn't get why this is subversive?
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_01: Or or are these like whatever out media outlets that I read just pandering to her?
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_00: That's the question sometimes.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, is it subver subversive?
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_00: Is it subversive?
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_00: Or is it just we wish it was subversive.
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, she was like in a bra and underwear pushing um like a baby carriage full of money.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, I don't know if I'd call that.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, but here's here's a question, because I didn't zoom in on the picture that much.
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_00: Is the money in the carriage Canadian dollars or US dollars?
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_01: That's a really good question.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_01: I have a feeling it's American.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, probably.
• 6:01
  SPEAKER_01: Another thought I had on the way home from Spirit of Halloween, which I was at this morning, is I was like, you know, I think if you had held a gun to my head this morning, I couldn't have told you that Tate McRae is from Canada.
• 6:11
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, really?
• 6:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_00: That's her main, that's why I'm so interested in her.
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 6:15
  SPEAKER_00: Is because she is a country woman.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_01: So I should like kind of lock in a little more and be like, all right, she's our fellow, our fellow downtown Canada gal.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
• 6:23
  SPEAKER_00: She's the Loon.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_00: She should be on Liz.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_01: She's the Loon.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_00: She will never come on Loon.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_01: I don't understand her.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think we gave her the warmest welcome.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I in keeping with my Massandrist outlook on the internet, I support Tay McCrae, but I yeah, I just didn't, I don't know.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_00: Do you know?
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_00: Have you ever listened to the podcast Who Weekly?
• 6:46
  unknown: No.
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_00: Or you haven't heard of them?
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_00: So they are two former Gawker writers.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_00: Bobby Finger and Lindsay Weber.
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_00: And they have a book coming out, but they've been doing this podcast for a long time that essentially breaks down all of these sort of bold face names in the Daily Mail or Us Weekly or whatever it is, who no one actually knows who they are or why they're famous.
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_00: The podcast is them breaking down, oh, here's why these people are famous.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_00: I would like that.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
• 7:13
  SPEAKER_00: You might not really need to know who they are, but here's why they're famous, here's the context.
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_00: And for a long time, the sort of patron saint of this podcast was Rita Ora.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_00: Do you know who she is?
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, like, yeah, I don't think I could name one of her songs.
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_00: She is allegedly a musician.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_00: I do think she has music.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_00: She does.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if she still does, but she's like a business owner, an ambassador, ambassador to brands.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_00: She does stuff.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_00: But she's just so good at being famous, despite no one really understanding like how she got that famous.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_00: So they break that down.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_00: I think Tate McCrae might be that for me.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_00: Where I don't dislike her.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_00: Again, how many caveats can I find this show?
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_00: I am just like, how did she get here?
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_00: And she's 23.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_00: Good for her.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_00: Good for her, is what we're saying.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_01: Good for her.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, Canada number one, Tate McRae, number one on the top of the charts, killing it.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_00: At the box office, best reviewed movie of all time.
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_00: You can see everything.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_00: Co-directed by Nathan Fielder, Canadian, Canadian.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_00: We love that.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_00: Do you got your tickets?
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_01: I don't have my tickets, but I'm gonna go see it when the when I don't feel like I have to wait in line.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, well, you know, it's reserved seats at the theaters.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_00: The Cineplex Odeon.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_00: I have my tickets confirmed.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_00: Monday night, I'm seeing it.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, it's three hours long.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_00: It's three hours long.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, come.
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I think it's sold out at this point.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, I gotta figure it out.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_01: I gotta figure it out.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_00: But I just love Nathan Fielder, graduated from Canada's top business school, is out there.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_00: He co-directed this movie with Lance Oppenheim, who also did um primetime with Robert Pattinson.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_00: He's been busy.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_00: This is a huge year for.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_01: How did you fit this all in?
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_00: Seeing movies?
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, no.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_01: How did Oppenheim talking about me?
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_01: How did Oppenheim fit this in?
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_01: How does he fit it in?
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_01: I'm scared.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_01: I'm scared of this movie.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_01: Because I feel like everyone keeps on talking about how there's these twists and turns, and I feel like I'm not gonna get it.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna feel stupid.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know how many twists and turns there really will be you know the basic story of Elizabeth Holmes and all of that.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_00: We read the book, we saw the drop, we watched the show with Amanda Safe Reed.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_00: We've seen it.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think there's that much more to it.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think I feel like they're gonna like drop.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_01: I just I'm like worried.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_01: I I feel anxiety about the movie.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_00: You know what you should have anxiety for, actually.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_00: Digger.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_00: Digger?
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_00: You want to read what is that?
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_00: Is the Tom Cruise movie?
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_00: Alexander Inuratu, his newest movie with Tom Cruise.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_00: It's I can you know what you're more of a movie buff.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_01: I'm a big movie buff.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_01: You get your tickets early.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm just you know, sitting here on TikTok and information.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_00: Uh part of return to myself after having a child is getting back to go see movies and theaters.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_00: And I do think there was like a COVID overlap there.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_00: But I love going to the movies.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_01: I love movies.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_01: We should like just like let's put a pin in that for a future episode is getting back to yourself after after having a baby because that's a real journey.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_00: It is, it's been a journey.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_00: And now that I'm I'm not all I'm I'm not I'm so back.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_00: It's a little bit silgover, but I am a little back.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_00: Now that I'm seeing movies in theater regularly, feel back to the city.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_01: I got our group back by going to the movie theater.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_00: Well, those are my most of my big embraces.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_00: It's just like Canada, you know what, don't fuck with us.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_00: Because we are taking over culture.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_00: And you might not realize it because a lot of people don't realize when a Canadian is Canadian.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I know, including myself.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but I will always know.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_00: And I will bring it up.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_01: I also, I mean, I just did also want to plug Big Oat, which we are hoping will eventually um sponsor us.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_01: So Quaker, that's probably not a that's probably not a Canadian company.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_00: No, I don't think Quaker Oat is a Canadian company.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe Bob's Red Mill.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_00: He seems American to me, Bob.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_00: He does not seem maybe if his name was Gord.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna do a little bit more research to figure out which which uh which Canadian company has a stronghold on the oat industry.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but we would love to be sponsored by an oatmeal brand.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, a million percent.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_00: But you know who I would actually who who I think has the funds, yeah.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_00: Who has the oats?
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_00: No, I they don't have the oats, but they feed the oats to their animals.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_00: The dairy farmers of Ontario.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_00: I believe is a mafia-esque entity that has a stranglehold over the type of dairy products we can consume.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_00: I would welcome their ad dollars, is just something I'd say.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_00: And anyone outside of Canada will not understand what I'm talking about.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_00: But this is a new, like a new realization since moving back to Canada, where I was like, oh wow, you cannot get anything, any dairy, like the cheeses are either a thousand dollars or they're from the dairy pharmacy ontario.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_01: I know that's why, like, if you go into Whole Foods in the US, like the yogurt section is a oh, it's a bomb.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_00: It's bomb.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_00: They got so much beautiful.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_00: We do not have that here.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_00: Here it's oikos, it's we don't even have a body.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_01: That was new.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_01: Like they only just let that in over the border.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_00: Do Americans realize we don't have feya?
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_00: No, you know?
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_01: No, we don't have no, it's no, it's called um, it's like faj.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_00: Faye.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_00: Faj.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_00: We don't have that here.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_00: I I think you know, a lot of the time we're coming up on midterms in the states, and around any election season, Americans are like, I'm just gonna move to Canada.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_00: It's not the same here.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_00: No, it is different here.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_00: You're gonna have to adjust if you move to it.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_01: You won't be able to find even one quarter of the yogurt selector that you have there.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_01: So just like watch out.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_01: Adjustment.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_01: I have I want to tell you about the loons exclusive I have.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_01: Please.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_01: The only problem is that the part of my exclusive is on my phone, which we're recording on.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_01: But okay, so I just want to set the scene for for you.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_01: So Meredith Whitaker, who is the founder of the Signal Foundation, which is like, do you know Signal?
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's but we should say Signal is like a messenger app that a lot of journalists or people who are seeking privacy will use.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, and she has talked about the fact that like you can't have like meaningful lives without privacy.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_01: Like privacy is a necessary part of our existence.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_01: And so anyway, she does an interview with the BBC.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not sure why they did the interview this week.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_01: There had to have been some reason, like, I was like, is she trying to promote something?
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_01: Is something happening with the app?
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_01: That I don't know.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but so she does an interview with the BBC this week.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_01: And the woman who's interviewing her, her name is Megan Mohan, she basically was like started this like rapid fire section of the of the interview.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_01: And it was like this or that question was would you rather do this or this?
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_01: Or this or that?
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_01: And ultimately, like Meredith Whitaker is just like, you can tell she's not having it.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_01: She's like, pass, pass, this question doesn't make any sense.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_01: This is dumb.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_01: And then she like turns to the camera and she's like, I know you guys want this little clip, but like what the fuck?
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_01: And so, like, obviously, there was a kind of like I think the the journalist did a good job of like recovering and being like, okay, you know, uh, whatever.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_01: But the clip sort of soars through the algorithm as it wants to do.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_01: Um and I kind of like featured it in one of my roundups being like, oh yeah, Meredith Whitaker is like such a badass.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_01: And it also kind of like reveals the fact that even interviews with serious journalists now are like designed with like the end social media clip in mind.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_01: And so that was sort of my take on it, and then I moved on with my day.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_01: But then Megan Mohan, the BBC journalist, commented on my post and was like, yeah, the backlash has been insane because people are attacking her and being like, basically being like, Well, you're an idiot.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_01: You ask like these questions that are so diminutive.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_00: Were they silly?
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_00: Like, what I wish I knew was like this.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_01: Some of the questions were like, um, would something like, would you rather like encounter a bear or give away all your passwords or something like this?
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_01: And then it was like tech bro culture fake or or real?
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_01: And she was like, of course it's real.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and like things like this, where it was like, I don't think it was putting Whittaker in a bad position, but I think it was just sort of like, you know, binary questions about hype in the AI industry, like probably a bit, a bit, I don't know, silly for her status or something like that.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_01: So ultimately uh Mega Mohan was saying, like, the she's been under a lot of scrutiny since this.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_01: And then I was like, ah, I'm sorry that's happening, you know, like social media can be so vicious.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_01: And she was like, Yeah, because I have to get, and then she listed all the things.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_01: So it was like I had to get like a feature interview, I had to get YouTube cut downs, I had to get clips, I had to get whatever.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_01: And then she said something along the lines of to be a journalist 20 years ago when all you had to get was the interview, it would have been magic.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_01: And so I I think there was like multiple things revealed there.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_01: One was like you you don't get to go into an interview anymore with a serious, like, I mean, Meredith Whitaker is like one of the most important voices in AI policy right now.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_01: And still you have to be like, hey, Whitaker, this or that, you know?
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_00: Everything is hot ones.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_00: Everything is hot ones online.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_00: And if it's not, it is trying to be.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, everything has to have that spin.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_00: It is, it is, it's tricky because like I go back and forth.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_00: I love journalism.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_00: I love journalists.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_00: Journalism is so bad.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_00: Support them in fact.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and you can tell, like they have to, they have to sort of caterize, caterize, they have to cater, they have to optimize for caterize.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_01: Caterizing never ends, it's a constant battle.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_00: And I it's hard for me to decide like whose team I on, not to be, not to go back to being binary.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_00: But I support when journalists are not the interviewee's best friend.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, when they are actually like, no, I'm gonna ask this question.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_00: You can shut it down, your person can shut it down.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_00: But like, I need to ask this because it's what it's in the interests of the people who are watching or reading or listening to know this about you and your company.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_00: I like when they do that.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_00: It's also very hard for me as a human to not be like, when someone says that's a stupid question to a stupid question, be like, yeah, it was a stupid question.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_00: So it's tricky.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_01: And both are in bad positions.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_01: That's the thing, is I felt for both women because I could understand how like you're a journalist.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, journalists' jobs are already under fire, and you're like, you know, you get some brief from your team that's like you have to get a YouTube clip down or a cut down or whatever.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_01: You're like, okay, I gotta say something that's gonna be like salacious on camera.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_01: At the same time, you're probably like, no, I don't want to do these clips.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_01: And then then I would be worried that then Whitaker is looking at me like, why are you asking me these questions?
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_01: You know?
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_00: It is tricky.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_00: Did you know that I interned for a website called nerve.com.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't know.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_00: Which was a sex website.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_00: It was a sex website.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_00: It was a website.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_00: It was a website about sex.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, but not like porn.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, it was about like thoughtful, it was about like sex news.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_01: Full sex.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_00: Thoughtful, yes.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_00: It was like thoughtful things about sex, sex in the news, sex, you know, it was like very sexy medium before.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, okay.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_00: It was it was like a real media entity that I entered for.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_00: And I remember I had to interview Emily Mortimer, who is an a great actress.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um, she's British.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_00: She had a movie coming out that like had to do with sex and sexy.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it was sexy in some way.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_00: So I had to interview her.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_00: And my my editor at the time was like, you have to ask her about butt sex.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_00: And like he was like, You just like whatever.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_00: Whatever questions are in there, just make sure you ask her about butt sex.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if it's because like she was in a movie about butt sex previously, if it was just like so hot in the, you know, this is like almost girls' era where that became a scene on that show where everyone was talking about people are talking about butt sex.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_00: So he's like, you have to ask her that.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm thinking, like, you know, I'm fresh out of college, I'm some fucking idiot.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, this woman will rightfully hate me.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_00: And like for asking this, but I was still gonna do it because I'm on the internetnerve.com.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_00: So I asked her all these normal questions about the movie, and then and I think I just ended on like also Emily, I just have to ask, have you ever had that sound?
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_00: She, I will forever love and respect her.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_00: She laughed her ass off and was like, you know, you know, I like I can't comment on my personal, you know, but like I'm all for it.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_00: I'm for it.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_00: People should try it out.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_00: Do what makes you happy.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_00: She gave like this great answer.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, she has to know that like the headline of this stupid ass interview is gonna be like Emily Mortimer weighs in on butt sets.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_00: And she still was like nice about it.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_00: She did not have to be.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_00: But so I really feel for all people on both sides because of my experience at N.com.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_01: You have some butt trauma that has informed how you approach the world.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, can you imagine some fucking kid like interviewing you on a Sunday afternoon and you have to put on a smiley face?
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's pain in the ass.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_00: More so for this woman.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_00: Pain and the ass.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so there's this other thing I wanted to talk to you about, which I feel is very loons.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_01: It's like very, it's very loons.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's very loons-coded, which is like I think it's like last month or like two months ago, Jennifer Lawrence comes like back to Instagram.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_01: I had this written down to you! Okay, okay, but now I want to know.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_01: I'm dying to know like what your angle on this is, because I got mine.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_01: I got mine.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_00: All right, let's give it the breakdown.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_00: Jennifer Lawrence joins Instagram.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_00: I send it to you.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_00: Apparently rejoins.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_00: Somebody was like, like 10 years ago she had an account or something.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_00: But she very famously does not have social media.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_00: And she very famously was like the new movie star, the new Julia Roberts.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_00: Just like hit after hit, Oscar winner, multiple Oscar winner, uh, Oscar, multiple Oscar nominees, certainly.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_00: Day list Hollywood royalty does not have social media because she didn't need it.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_00: But apparently, famously has burner accounts.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_00: Of course, she's very online.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_00: Like her and Tina Faye, I'm like, you might not have a public account, but I know you're online.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_00: You're in the comments.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_00: I know you are.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_00: But anyway, doesn't have one because she didn't need to, she didn't need it.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_00: People know Jay Law, we love her, we don't need to see it.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_00: She joins Instagram a couple months ago, rejoins.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, I sent it to you because I was, I'm thinking to myself, she's middle class now.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know how else to describe it.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_00: Jay Law, who I love, and you can check my group chats.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_00: I am always defending her honor against Emma.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: Emma Stone.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_00: Because I love Emma Stone too.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_00: But everyone is like Emma Stone is the number one A-list actress.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_00: She's the best.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_00: I think she is great.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_00: I think she makes great choices.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_00: I think she's fabulous.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_00: But there is something about Jay La, to me, that I just enjoy watching on screen.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_00: She's funny.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_01: I think, I think also, I mean, I would say actually both of them are tempering their humor as they age.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I don't know if that's like internal or if like their team is telling them that, but I find Emma Stone to be going more in the direction of like, like she's not giving the public anything anymore.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_01: Whereas I feel like J-Law is.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_00: Because Emma Stone, anything she does is kind of a meme.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_00: And I think she's aware that she's just like a meme factory for the internet.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_00: This harkens back to Tumblr days.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think you could escape Tumblr without seeing like an Easy A meme or her promoting Easy A.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_00: And J La as well.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_00: But their careers have diverged.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_00: Emma is working with, you know, exclusively A-list director.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_00: She's the muse.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, what's his butt?
• 22:58
  unknown: What's his butt?
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_00: That Greek guy.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_00: I love him.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yorgos, Yorgos Lanthamos.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_00: Pardon me.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_00: I love him.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_00: I love his movies.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, she's doing, she's she's working with Nathan Fielder.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_00: She's doing, she's producing, she's doing a great job.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_01: Isn't Jennifer Lawrence isn't?
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_01: Or are you saying she's made some shitty movies?
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_00: I think she has, I think she either has bad taste or her team has really bad taste.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_00: Because she has not been as active, she's not been in as many like interesting her, her, her IMTB is all over the place.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_01: But does Emma Stone have kids?
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_01: I think they both have two kids.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, because I felt like Jennifer Lawrence was very um forthcoming about how she was like, I need to like retreat from the public eye with my kids.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_01: But then maybe like that speaks to how well Emma Stone has done it because I didn't even know she had kids.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_00: She yeah, she definitely has at least one.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, okay.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_00: And I I support mothers.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yeah.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_00: We support Canadians women and mothers.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_00: But I do think her choices in film have not been as successful as Emma Stone.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_00: Sure, sure.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm fighting for her life and my life in my group chat saying, yeah, but she's still got the goods.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_00: She just needs to pick some better projects.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_00: But she is not where she was, and I don't think she's getting the offers that she was.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_00: Because there's also there, you know, it's Hollywood.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_00: There's always there's Frances or not Florence Pugh nipping at her heels.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_00: Uh Anya Taylor Johnson nipping nipping at the heels.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, what's Zen Zendaya?
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_00: There's all the whole things.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_00: She can do more than nip.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_00: She's taking a big bite.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_00: There's a whole new class of fabulous young actresses.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_00: And Hollywood is very unfair.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_00: If you're out of the spotlight, if you're not doing your thing, if your last movie was a bomb, then things aren't like you don't have as many opportunities.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_00: So she joined J Lan joins Instagram, and I'm thinking to myself, this is because you're not getting the paychecks.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_00: Mmm.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_00: At the rate.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry if we heard Lenny.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_00: At the rate that you used to, you're joining Instagram, and I thought, because you're gonna have to post to promote your next movie.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_00: That's what I thought.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_00: I thought she probably got a great new movie, and she's gonna have to post to promote it.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_00: She can't escape this anymore.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_00: She's come down a rank, she's joined the rest of us in the middle class where you have to post.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_00: That's what I thought.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_00: Now, this weekend, what have we uncovered?
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_00: Something new.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_01: Jennifer Lawrence just just launched or is launching a beauty brand.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_01: And supposedly it's a hair brand.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_00: And it is, it is.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_00: I'm so glad you brought this up.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_00: Because I couldn't respect this less.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_00: And I love J-La.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_00: I love her.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_01: I saw it too, and I thought, you know, it's partially it was the way that it got announced where she's doing a kind of did you see the video of that?
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm thinking It's like artsy.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_01: What are you doing?
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_01: Why are you dancing?
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_01: This isn't why we love J-La.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_01: But also, like, I okay, I'm not saying I'm on par with a famous actress like J-Lo, but if I found myself at the ripe age of whatever we are, 38 or 9 or whatever, and suddenly I'm having to dance and sell hair care products, I would be like taking a good look in the mirror, being like, what's going on?
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_00: I just think if she wanted to sell hair care products, you have to look at you, you know all about personal brands.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_00: Harm knows personal personal brands.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_00: I think J La is goofy.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_00: Watching football with the boys, eating chicken wings, getting messy and dirty.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_00: Your hair care product should be something that's at Walmart, Target, is not highbrow, it's a lowbrow.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_00: You should just partner with literally herbal essences.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_00: Like, why did you have to make your own like artsy brand?
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_00: I I can't help but be very um uh skeptical of this and very just like it's a cash grab.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you're gonna gab grab some cash.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_00: Private school in New York's expensive, I get it.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_00: It is.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_01: She's got two.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_01: She's got enough for private school.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_01: But that's a good point about how like she's goofy and like she could have gone more of a direction like um what's that?
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_01: That woman she worked at Bonapetite, Molly something.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, uh Molly Baz.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, and she launched those like mayos.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_01: If Jennifer Lawrence had launched a triage of mayos, I'd be like, yeah, that's gonna rip.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely, you know.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_00: Something that I think she actually cares about.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like her entire persona was like, I hate being on the red carpet.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_00: I just like to fart.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_01: Like she's like anti, anti doing yourself up.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's what I thought.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_00: So it does, it just feels like a little bit of a rug pull.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_00: And it's just like any, like I wish I could think of the word.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just like so over.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I read a really good comment in the comment thread of her uh like whatever dancing video.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_01: And it was so funny.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_01: And again, my phone's right there, so I can't read it, but it was something like not me thinking that J La returned to Instagram out of a sense of whimsy when really her management team had a gun to her head.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_01: And I do think there's something vindicating about this, though, because like, yeah, personal brand, lady, you know, I I talk about that a lot, but it's like no, no one is exempt from having to do it, you know.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_01: We all have to build these brands.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_01: And it just like speaks to the I don't know, it's like social media managers forever have been like thought of as such a like, oh, it's a vibes girly, Gen Z, you know, it's the internet, the company.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like, I don't know, like, you know, if Jennifer Lawrence had to make an Instagram account because she was like so clearly contractually obligated, then this is actually a really important function of any business.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, without a doubt.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know how anyone in 2026 can not think that social media is a very important channel for you to be using.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so but is it still kind of disappointing to me?
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't want her to announce that.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_00: I wanted her to announce that she's doing a new TV show with Nathan Field or whatever.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_01: Or like even just it had it been a potato chips company.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_01: Not yes, not protein chips, not fiber chips, just like oil chips.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_00: Tayla Lovelace, Lazelays, Loselays.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_00: I found that I was that was my, I was like, I'm ignoring this.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_01: What a bummer.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_01: What a bummer.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_01: That's yeah, it's an ignore.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_00: I support her being a movie star.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_00: That's what she's meant to be.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_00: Like so few people have that kind of talent and charisma.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, all right.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_01: Let me last thing I'll say is that Scarlett Johansson's beauty brand.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_01: I think hair care just shut down.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_00: No kidding.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_00: Well, yep, they're they can't all be road.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_00: No, they can't.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_00: Scarlett Johansson also famously had a French popcorn brand.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if you're aware of this.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_00: She was married to a French guy for a little while, and they were they opened a popcorn brand in like Champs d'Elysée called like Le Pop.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_00: And so, you know, Scarlett's been Scarlett does not need to make money, but she's making money.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_00: She's out there shilling.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, let me just do Hit Me.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_00: Here's something I'm understanding, just along the lines of Jay La having to be on Instagram.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_01: She's a peasant like us.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_00: She's a peasant like us.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_00: Guess who's not a peasant like us?
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_00: Harry Styles and Grimes.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_00: These two were both recently giving interviews where Harry Styles said, My computer's dead.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_00: I haven't opened it in six years.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_00: He didn't have to open his computer.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_00: And Grimes was on Adam Friedland's show and was and basically said, I'm not online.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_00: Like I'm not on social.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_00: I don't have to be.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_00: And I just, I understand.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_00: If I reach a level of fame and wealth, oh, there will be signs.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_00: No, there will not literally not be signs.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_00: I'll disappear.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_01: The sign is you can't reach me.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_00: I totally understand that, and I am very jealous of that.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_01: Totally.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I think it's like it's, I think it's been talked about on the internet this year specifically with all the like analog buzz, which is that being offline is a status symbol.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_01: And there's very few among us who get to do that.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe your mom gets to leave it.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_01: She said, I'm out.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_01: Peace out.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_01: Your retired 74-year-old mom is not a peasant.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_01: Nope.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_01: I think of myself as like on the on a scale of peasant to emancipated.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_01: I am the most peasant.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, for sure.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_01: I am out here putting my jester hat on every day.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_01: Dancing for the algorithms.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm I'm okay with that, but like I I think of myself, I think of me, a person who posts online all the time.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_01: This is the blue-collar work of the internet.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_00: You know?
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_00: You have to, you have to write it, film it yourself, make sure the sound's right.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_00: You have to make sure the lighting's wrong.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_00: You have to edit yourself.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_00: You're doing your scripts.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_00: You're doing research.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, especially the way you do it.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_00: It is very, it's actually some work is put into it.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, it is a lot of work.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_00: So I really don't blame them.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_00: See, but that to me is like their A-list.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_00: If you don't have to be online, Harry Sells, he's busy performing his sold out shows at Madison Square Garden.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he doesn't have to be online.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_00: Good for him.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_01: Good for him.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_01: I also saw an interview he did with Tom York that was really funny.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah?
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_00: He's sure he's British.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_00: They're British.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_00: British people are funny.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_01: They were both really interesting.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_01: Good for them.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_00: There, we salute British people as comedians.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_01: Well, okay, so like in the realm of very online topics, something that I thought was weird about the culture on X right now is that like I think it was the beginning of this year that storytelling was like, I don't know, ripping in the X algorithm.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, just because like we need to hire our storyteller.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_01: And that like every AI, like Frontier AI company was like, you know, had JDs where their storytellers, it was like whatever, north of$300,000 for these jobs, and everyone's like, oh my God.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_01: Like everyone had an opinion about it on LinkedIn and stuff like that.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_01: And so that was like, I felt like it kind of rode this wave of like virality.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_01: And it's not that I think storytelling is a trend.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_01: I think storytelling is an essential part of life and work and all of that.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_01: Since the Odyssey.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_01: Since forever.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_01: But it like had its moment online, and people had a lot of opinions about why do these tech companies need storytellers if AI can make all their stories or whatever.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_01: But then, okay, it dies down.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_01: But then in like the last four weeks, it's been like it's re-emerged with like a different kind of intensity.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, okay, this is weird.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's very, very rare that you see something move through a trend cycle in a year and then somehow come back six months later.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_01: And so I was like, what's going on here?
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_01: So I started to like look at these tweets and they were basically what people were saying is the reason these tech companies are like, I need these, like such a unicorn role to find like somebody who's chronically online, but also plugged into culture and also like knows how to produce content and blah blah blah.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_01: And they were saying, Yeah, you idiots, the reason you can't find these unicorns is because they're YouTubers, or they're like, if you know, if you understand distribution online, if you know algorithms, if you have like good taste, yeah, you probably then are working for yourself.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_00: You've already made it.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_00: And you better offer something even better than what I'm already making on my YouTube CRM or CPM.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_00: Like because it's not gonna, it's gonna, you're gonna be pennies compared to what some of these YouTubers are making.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_01: And I was kind of like, okay, good point.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_01: Like they were using a few, like, there's like some some guy who like is 23 or 22 or something, and he runs all the ads for Whisperflow.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_01: And they were talking about using him as an example, being like, yeah, he's like this cracked kind of like growth engineer, and you know, all of these these people who understand how to rip on the algorithm are like, I don't need your salary because I'm making millions on YouTube.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I don't have a boss and I don't have to sit in performance reviews and I don't have to go to meetings that could have been an email.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_00: It's so fun, it's so, yeah, you're only gonna get the sort of mid-tier for those jobs.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, which is fine.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_00: They're probably still good.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_00: Totally.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_00: Totally.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, if you're thinking you're gonna get freaking I show speed or whatever, like good luck.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_00: Good luck to you.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_01: So I just I was like, I you I feel like you are more in X than I am, but I like I dabble.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_00: I've never left X, unfortunately.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_00: I wanted to.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_00: I stopped posting on X because I was just like, there's no- You want to build your personal brand, Danielle?
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_00: I'm still posting on LinkedIn.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_00: My favorite new platform.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I mean, I didn't do enough research on this, so I don't know.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_00: We might have to like, but did you there was a recent article in Puck um with one of the journalists interviewing the head of the head of, I want to say like content strategy at LinkedIn.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_00: About how LinkedIn has Hollywood dreams and wants to be an entertainment platform.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_00: And like Are we going there?
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_00: Am I that's that's where I'm headed?
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you might be.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_00: I think so.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_01: But don't be surprised if someone if someone I think like I will say, I mean, we all know I'm LinkedIn's number one fan.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_01: But uh top voice, LinkedIn's number one fan.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_01: But I think like I had calls with two different UX researchers at LinkedIn last week.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_01: Had to sign an NDA, I can't tell you anything.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_01: I did not say anything.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_01: Um but I've also like chatted with their like head of the product, and they're a lot of their execs are active on LinkedIn in the comment threads.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_01: And I like I just think they're a little more reachable.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_01: You know, like if you have an issue on Meta, good fucking love trying to get a hold of any.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_01: And I think they're like constantly being like, I think they're listening to what people want, they're uh introducing new features, there's like all these new monetization features that are coming.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_01: Like exactly.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_01: I think, like, I don't know, people give LinkedIn a hard time, but it's I think they're actually the more the more like user-centric platform compared to I'm not being paid to say this.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_01: For now.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_01: For now, for now.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_01: I would love to be paid to say this, yeah.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but yeah, like I just think like I think they're listening, I think they're they're paying attention.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_01: I don't, I don't think, and okay, maybe we're talking apples and oranges, oranges if you're comparing LinkedIn to meta, but like Meta does not give anyone the impression that it gives a shit.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_01: Oh no.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like tap your terms and conditions, we own your life.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but also like it's like you said last time, like they need creators to put the juice into the machine.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_01: So like there should be some reciprocity that I don't think they're ever coughing up.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, yeah, I I just thought it was interesting, Hollywood dreams for LinkedIn.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_00: Because it's just there's not a lot of types of content on LinkedIn.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_00: I guess not yet.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_01: It could very well be coming.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I I have a prediction that it like within three years there will be a LinkedIn house at Coachella.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_00: Wow, are we bringing houses back?
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_00: Bring them back.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_00: I think what happened.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_01: I think they were there last this year.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_00: You know what?
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_00: Starbucks campus.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_00: That's a pitch.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_00: That is a pitch for LinkedIn that you should take.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_00: We can cut this, that you can take to LinkedIn.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_00: But to say, let's start a LinkedIn content creator house where we're all 38 years old.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_00: And we're actually all really respectful when someone leaves a dish in the side.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_00: A couple of 42-year-olds are like, oh, so sorry, that's mine.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_00: And just like, you remember real world?
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_00: Like what happens when you start getting real?
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_00: What happens when you start putting 42-year-olds in a house to live together?
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_00: Everyone's asleep by eight.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_00: Everyone's having respectful discourse.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_00: Uh you know, I think I think it's an idea.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_00: Take it to take it to your contacts.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_00: I I 100%.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_00: And you know what?
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_00: The house, you you you're not really living in the house because you have family stuff.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_01: I think it should be like cubicles.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_01: Everyone sleeps in a little cubicle.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_00: Or it's like an open floor plan office where it's hot desks, hot desks.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, listen, give it a try.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, there is something that I I wanted to read.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_00: I sent it to you.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_00: Because I'm just like, Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_01: Something got got your gears going.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_00: I am absolutely I understand that when you're an influencer, when you're a public persona, yeah, you have an audience and they expect certain behaviors out of you.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_00: Totally.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_00: They feel entitled to like yes aspects of your life.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_00: And sometimes that makes sense, but sometimes I'll be watching a video and it's just like some gal.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_00: And maybe she is a content creator by trade, um, but it's like she has, let's say, 60,000 followers.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's not like she's a mid-level peasant.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_00: She's a mid-level peasant.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_00: Like maybe she's getting invited to fun things and getting some free stuff, but she's not, she's not doing a partnership with Liz.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and and the reactions that some of these women can get from people, and then the the answer to the reactions just sometimes uh blow my mind.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_00: Because they are, we have all learned so much from like the NoteSap apology and from celebrities.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_00: So much of celebrity behavior and celebrity PR, celebrity marketing has trickled down into the time you apologize now.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_01: You just sent your husband a NoteSap thing.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm so sorry, Thomas.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_00: My statement, my statement, my apology-I don't know, it's like it really has trickled down.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_00: So I was watching this girly's day in the life video of living in San Francisco.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_00: And in it, she maybe takes two or three Ubers.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_00: Sure, that's probably expensive.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't really want to take three Ubers in a day, but have I have I done that?
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_00: I have.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_01: If I lived in San Francisco, I assume there'd be like seven a day.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, it happens.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_00: So someone comments on this woman's uh video, Uber there and back, when Bart, which is the public transit system in San Francisco, would have taken maybe five dollars.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_00: Lenny.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_00: Uh Lenny doesn't like that comment.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_00: But that's the comment.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_00: And then this creator, this influencer writes back, it's long, so bear with me.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_01: Like the first comment is like one sentence, and then this is a paragraph.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_00: This woman writes back, I totally agree BART would have been cheaper.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_00: But Ubers weren't too bad that day, and I simply decided to treat myself, crying emoji.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_00: Passenger fares only cover a small percentage of BART's operating costs, with much of the funding coming from local taxes and government support.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_00: I pay those taxes and will happily continue supporting public transit funding, regardless of how often I personally use it, because I know how important accessible transportation is for our community.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_00: That's also why staying informed and voting on local transit measures matters so much.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_00: At the same time, I'm happy to support Uber drivers who rely on rides to make a living.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_00: It goes on.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_00: It goes on.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_00: When did we need your average influencer to be a celebrity, a politician?
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_00: She's not running for office.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_00: Why does she have to have a statement on public transportation?
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_00: And not only that, it's a stupid statement because she's like, I support everyone.
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, first of all, I want to put that in Pentagram to see if it's written with AI.
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_00: It had to have been.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_00: And she went through and she, it's all written in lowercase.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_00: I think she went through and made it all lowercase.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_00: It seemed like she wrote it.
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_00: But I I the fact that she felt she had to do that, like at a certain point, you have to accept that people are gonna have problems with everything you do.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_00: And like shove it.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I took three Ubers that day.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_00: Somewhat.
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_00: I still take the like you know that you probably still take the Bart and that you pay local taxes.
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_00: But like, why?
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_00: Why do you have to write out this dissertation?
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_01: This is like bean soup, you know what I mean?
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_01: Where it's just like, oh, you didn't know that that could be offensive to me and and like all of us barters or something like that, you know?
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_01: Like, yeah, exactly.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's just yeah, I mean, comment threads are well.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_01: There was like I I think her name is Katie Gat Katie Gaddy Tassin.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_01: She she earlier this year said like comment threads are the last third space in America, which was like funny.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_01: And I think it was like a subsect note that went kind of viral.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_01: And then I saw today somebody said they're trying, like, they're trying to make phones our only third space.
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_01: And it's just like we've got nothing left, you know?
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_01: The comment threads, we just like we fight, and we're just like, we're just like fighting for scraps, yes.
• 42:53
  SPEAKER_01: We have no dignity, we're we're pissed.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_01: And it's also just like everything about social media is designed to make you mad.
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_00: Like, and I I was mad on this girl's, I was mad on this girl's behalf that she had to go and sit down and write her little comment.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_00: I just like I couldn't believe that this woman thought she had to respond to this comment in this way.
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_00: She's covering her ass, clearly, because she's like, oh, is this gonna mess with like a potential brand deal I could get with Bart?
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't know.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know why she's covering her ass like this, but she did.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_00: And I just thought, this is so crazy for this woman to have to do this.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_00: It reminded me of like, I don't know if it was last Christmas or the Christmas before.
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_00: Every Christmas, the song War is Over by John Lennon gets used in multiple different kinds of videos.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, it's getting used.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_00: And I saw a video of this girl like having it.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_00: It wasn't, she didn't interact with the song.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_00: It was just playing as she did, like, here's what I got for Christmas haul.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_00: And she got all these comments saying, like, how dare you use this song on your Christmas haul?
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_00: And she wrote a statement of like, I apologize.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_00: I never looked at the lyrics of this song.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_00: No, it was just like in a comment, like, but she's copy and pasting said.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_00: This to everyone.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't look at the lyrics of this song.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_00: I just use it because it was trending.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_00: I apologize for the it's like, is anyone actually mad about any of this?
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_00: There's no way anyone is actually mad.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_00: It's just people are having fun being shitty online.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_00: I just it's too much for me.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_01: No, I I uh also just like I used to work for one of my old bosses would always say that like when you give too much like that on in a in social media specifically, he'd call it blood in the water.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_01: Like you're like, you know, and I I always think about that where I'm like, you just maybe maybe better to say less.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_01: Say less.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_00: Say less.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_00: You can say less.
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's totally fair.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um, the yeah, that's that's kind of all I have.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, I have I have two two small other things.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_01: I'll I'll blaze through them.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_01: So my friend Michelle, she clocked that there's sort of like this millennial like resurgence happening, like girls is coming back.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_01: The J.
• 44:55
  SPEAKER_01: Crew has been doing all of these like kind of nostalgic um millennial campaigns.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_00: Baxhew Boys is touring.
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_01: Baxter Boys is touring, so is Hillary Dubb.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, and she posed this question, which I don't think I have like a totally I don't think I have a set answer for yet, which is like, does this happen to every generation where you live long enough that like the stuff that was cool becomes uncool and then it comes back around again and it's somehow cool?
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_01: Or is there something to do with millennials that like were the first kind of like internet generation and now they're reselling us our past because we've got you know you know I just sort of was like, is there a millennial kind of thing that we're like, are we is there some reason that people are being incentivized to sell millennials back their childhood or something like that?
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_00: I think it happens to every generation.
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I my point of proof of that is the back to the future movies.
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and dazed and confused.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I also think like I mean, I can think of examples in my life where like I remember getting like bell bottom jeans and my mom being like, oh, these were these were you know what I mean, uh popular when I was a kid or something.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, I've also noticed that people online are I specifically wrote this one down, but are sharing 90s cigarette mom um playlists and like kind of like just like building up this this persona of the 90s mom who didn't really give a shit about you, like would be on the phone and be like, figure it out, kids.
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_00: Which uh don't as a mom, I am sort of jealous.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_01: Well, but I can understand how that is especially tantalizing to a millennial mom who has no one has had more crushing pressure as a parent than a millennial mom.
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and who doesn't really want to play anymore.
• 46:36
  SPEAKER_01: Um okay, and then my final note is just one line for you.
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Celine Dion Barbie.
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_01: There's now a Celine Dion Barbie.
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_00: Canada drops.
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_00: Celine Dionne has a Barbie.
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_00: We're proud of Celine Dion.
• 46:48
  SPEAKER_00: Super proud.
• 46:48
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so Canadians, top of the charts, top at the box office, have a Barbie.
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_00: Have a Barbie.
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_00: Huge week for Canada.
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_00: Government of Canada, where are you at?
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_00: Slide into the decades.
• 46:59
  SPEAKER_00: Slide it in anytime you want.
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you for that.
• 47:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, I did see it.
• 47:02
  SPEAKER_00: I thought it looked okay.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't even see it.
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_00: I just saw the headline.
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_00: Have you ever seen Celine Dion in concert?
• 47:07
  SPEAKER_01: No, but I would kill.
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_00: You and as you should, pick someone who's not that important to you and do it.
• 47:13
  SPEAKER_00: Because I saw her live in Vegas.
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_01: How far how long ago?
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_00: Uh 2018.
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_01: 2018.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 47:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think it must have been 2018.
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_00: I was there for a bachelorette, of course.
• 47:24
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's like probably like not quite prime, but like she was utterly fabulous.
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, she maybe I could prime or not.
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_00: She was hitting the notes.
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_00: She was entertaining the crowd.
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_00: She was h she's so funny.
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_00: She's amazing.
• 47:37
  SPEAKER_01: She's she's a national treasurer.
• 47:39
  SPEAKER_00: She is.
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, so it's people we can be proud of as Canadians.
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_00: So love that.
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you for that.
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_00: That's my final note.
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks so much for listening.
• 47:48
  SPEAKER_00: We will be back next time.
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_00: Goodbye.
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_00: Goodbye.
• 47:52
  SPEAKER_00: That was great.
• 47:54
  SPEAKER_00: That was great.
• 47:54
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, my thing stopped for doing this, but I feel like it was 40 minutes.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, yeah.