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Are the Cavs Contenders with James Harden? NBA Trade Deadline Reactions! · The So-Called Sports Analysts

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  Speaker 1: That was the last time we did a solo pod. Well, welcome, welcome, welcome,
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the episode episode number one fifty seven
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  Speaker 1: of the so called Sports Channalyst, where I still don't
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  Speaker 1: know when we're going live or not. Josh, how are
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  Speaker 1: you doing?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I'm doing pretty good.
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  Speaker 1: Man.
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  Speaker 2: Spurs walked away with the doversus the Mavericks the other night,
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  Speaker 2: even though I couldn't greedy Mavericks TV want to take
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  Speaker 2: all the rides, Like why do I pay for League Pass?
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  Speaker 2: Why do I have YouTube TV? Why do I have
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  Speaker 2: the low like national television and League Pass? And I
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  Speaker 2: still can't watch the Spurs versus Mavericks game because the
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  Speaker 2: Mavericks want to be greedy, just a poverty franchise if
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  Speaker 2: you really ask me. But they still walk away with
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  Speaker 2: the win. They play here at five o'clock, so you
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  Speaker 2: can't wait for that one. But been other than that,
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  Speaker 2: been pretty good, pretty good recently.
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  Speaker 1: How about you doing good? I'm I'm doing great except
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  Speaker 1: for my bulls and the trades that we've been making.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, as far as like Josh, he's not lying.
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  Speaker 1: He was in like screenshots of him watching the box
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  Speaker 1: score of the game and saying walking.
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  Speaker 2: Down play by play, they'll play by.
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  Speaker 1: The best way to do it. But all right, before
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  Speaker 1: But all right, let's get into it. So the main thing,
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  Speaker 1: I know you and Ryan talked about basketball last week
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  Speaker 1: as far as like updating everything, and we'll get to
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  Speaker 1: as far as contenders, MVP, all that talk later on
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  Speaker 1: down the road, But we need to talk about the
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  Speaker 1: trade deadline and it went from one of the most
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  Speaker 1: underwhelming trade deadlines to those last two three days it
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  Speaker 1: started off. So I'll let you lead right here. Which
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  Speaker 1: major trade you want to talk about first?
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  Speaker 2: I mean we can kind of start from the from
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  Speaker 2: the first big first big Domino to fall, and I
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  Speaker 2: feel like that was Jaron Jackson Jr. I feel like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I think we saw the riding on the wall for
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  Speaker 2: quite some time that he was eventually going to get
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  Speaker 2: traded and they finally accepted the rebuild. I just want
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  Speaker 2: questions surrounding John Morant as where I'm kind of sitting at,
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  Speaker 2: like where do they go from there with John? Do
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  Speaker 2: they hope to get a top draft pick and pair
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  Speaker 2: someone next to him or they actually look to move
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  Speaker 2: off him in the summer because I know his value
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  Speaker 2: right now is shot, Like no one really wants to
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  Speaker 2: trade for Jamran or at least at value, Like they're
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  Speaker 2: asking for incentive to trade for ja Morant, where possibly,
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  Speaker 2: like three years ago, it would have been like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we'll send you the farm for Jamran. No, now you
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  Speaker 2: got to send us a first round pick if we're
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  Speaker 2: getting Damrant. And I think that's where they're hesitant to
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  Speaker 2: trade them. But looking at the Utah Jazz and they're
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  Speaker 2: move for Jaron Jackson, ultimate, I feel like I feel
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  Speaker 2: like this is a move, Like I really do enjoy
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  Speaker 2: this move for them, Like I think they're finally accepting, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: we've rebuilt for a couple of years and they still
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  Speaker 2: have their top draft pick this year, which I believe
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  Speaker 2: is top eight protected. Yeah I want to say so. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: Like if if it's one of those spots, then they
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  Speaker 2: then they compare another superstar and especially in a top
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  Speaker 2: loaded class, and that if you can sneak into that
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  Speaker 2: top four and get one of those guys and put
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  Speaker 2: them on this Utah Jazz basketball team. I do think
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  Speaker 2: there's a lot to be excited about. Like I think
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  Speaker 2: they finally realize maybe Lowry we keep him, put keep
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  Speaker 2: him at the four. Now we have a five and
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  Speaker 2: Jaron Jackson Junior who can stretch the floor and defend.
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  Speaker 2: And then you move Keyante George to the to the
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  Speaker 2: primary ball handler role, move Isaiah Collier to the back court.
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  Speaker 2: It kind of takes away Walter Clayton Junior, moves him
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  Speaker 2: to Memphis, which is kind of like a Cell High.
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  Speaker 2: Like I do think the Cell high on it is
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  Speaker 2: very good. I do think they took at the right time.
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  Speaker 2: Taylor Hendricks kind of a project really hasn't fourned into nothing.
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  Speaker 2: And as far as the draft picks, I think the
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  Speaker 2: the the Memphis Grillers are just trying to load up
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  Speaker 2: one after another.
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  Speaker 1: Seven total draft picks from the Jay and Desmond Bane.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And as far as the Jazz, I do think
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  Speaker 2: this is a good move for them. I think they
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  Speaker 2: need to kind of embrace. Okay, now we need to
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  Speaker 2: try to compete, not this season, but definitely next season.
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  Speaker 2: We will try being one of those teams that are
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  Speaker 2: maybe in the play and spot maybe pushing for that
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  Speaker 2: six seed. But as of I do like the move
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  Speaker 2: for the out Look. I do think they have some
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  Speaker 2: key pieces and those pieces are already working well together,
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  Speaker 2: and they're young and they can compete for a couple
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  Speaker 2: of seasons.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, I want to go with that jazz point.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just a little bit confused by because you have
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  Speaker 1: Walker Kessler, Jared Jackson, Junior, Laurie Markin, and there's gonna
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  Speaker 1: be an odd man out there. I think it's Walker
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  Speaker 1: Kesler for sure, because I don't know if you saw
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  Speaker 1: that report the Pacers they offer two first round picks
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  Speaker 1: for Walker Kesler and they declined it. So I don't
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  Speaker 1: know how high they're trying to sell. I mean, we
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  Speaker 1: saw we'll get to Zubac in a second.
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  Speaker 2: Well, they might not even be trying to sell. They
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  Speaker 2: might just be like Walker Kesler off the bench and
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  Speaker 2: having like him. And because they call your work off
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  Speaker 2: the bench in certain situations.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. That's I guess that was just my
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  Speaker 1: main thing from there. But I do like you're starting
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  Speaker 1: to see, like the foundation of the Utah Jazz being built. Like, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: we have a veteran who kind of has playoff experience here,
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  Speaker 1: but I want to talk more from the Grizzly side
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  Speaker 1: right here. So I just want to say, as far
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  Speaker 1: as the Grizzlies from two all the way to fifteen,
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  Speaker 1: they know how to build a roster. They so them
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  Speaker 1: getting draft picks, that's perfectly fine, right there, Walker or
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  Speaker 1: Walter Clayton, Taylor Hendrix, those young prospects. You never know
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  Speaker 1: what's gonna happen, but at the end of the end
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  Speaker 1: of the day, you need a superstar. That's what John
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  Speaker 1: Morant was supposed to be an honest honestly, he ruined
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  Speaker 1: it for this entire Memphis Grizzlies franchise. Like they put
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  Speaker 1: all their chips in on John Morant. And so them
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  Speaker 1: getting these draft picks, Like I'm saying they could build
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  Speaker 1: two through fifteen, they can. But at the end of
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  Speaker 1: the day, if you don't have a star or two superstars,
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  Speaker 1: then you're not gonna win. So I think this is
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  Speaker 1: just them like getting rid of everybody, Desmond Bane, Jared
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  Speaker 1: Jackson Junior. So even if you have to attach a
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  Speaker 1: pick to John Morant, you're still gonna have over eight
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  Speaker 1: first round picks within the next two years, so I
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  Speaker 1: think it was definitely the right right thing to do.
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  Speaker 1: But also shout out to George's Nyang to getting more
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  Speaker 1: again after being stuck on who was it? The Hawks? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this is the Hawks for a while. But okay, let's
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  Speaker 1: get to this next big domino to fall. I'm interested
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  Speaker 1: to hear this one right here. We'll get to like.
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  Speaker 2: Smaller trades on the seconds later.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, James Harden to the Cleveland Cavaliers for Darius Garland.
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  Speaker 1: So that's the main trade right there. Obviously there's a
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  Speaker 1: pick attached as far as with the Clippers, with the
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  Speaker 1: Clippers going to the Calvs. But what's your takeaway from
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  Speaker 1: this one?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, as far as the Clippers side, I definitely
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  Speaker 2: understand the move, Like I think you kind of sell
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  Speaker 2: on James Harden bringing a younger piece who still has
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  Speaker 2: a lot of potential's been dealing with injury for the
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  Speaker 2: past couple of seasons. I do know Darius Garland. I
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  Speaker 2: don't think he'll ever be like a superstar in the NBA,
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  Speaker 2: but he's definitely a good point guard to have you
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  Speaker 2: on your football team, on your basketball team, at all times,
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  Speaker 2: and especially if you start to build a team, he
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  Speaker 2: could definitely be a center piece in that in that
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  Speaker 2: new in that new fold that they're trying to get
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  Speaker 2: into with the Los Angeles Clippers. But as far as
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  Speaker 2: the Cleveland Cavaliers, it's a little bit of head scratching
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  Speaker 2: but also understandable. Like I think, why do you trade
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  Speaker 2: Darius Garland for an aging veteran on an expiring contract?
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  Speaker 2: You know that, And that's just one of those things.
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  Speaker 2: And maybe that's the exact reason why they trade Darius
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  Speaker 2: Garland because they know they're gonna have to pay one
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  Speaker 2: man named Donovan Mitchell here pretty soon, and it frees
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  Speaker 2: up a lot of cap space. I think people are
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  Speaker 2: starting not to realize that. Then. Honestly, James Harden, even
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  Speaker 2: to this day, I think is a better player than
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  Speaker 2: Darius Garland. Yeah, and I think honestly the Cleveland Cavaliers
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  Speaker 2: are seeing, maybe we need that extra piece that can
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  Speaker 2: that can score at will. And who's really improved passing
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  Speaker 2: over the last couple of seasons. If not, he was
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  Speaker 2: never a bad passer, but he's definitely making better decisions
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  Speaker 2: as of late. And that's James Harden. And maybe this
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  Speaker 2: can be the piece that pushes them a little bit
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  Speaker 2: over the top, especially on a little bit of a
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  Speaker 2: run that they've been on as of recently, push them
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  Speaker 2: over the top to make it another playoff push and
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  Speaker 2: hopefully getting one step further to that championship. But I
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  Speaker 2: still do think that trading a young asset, a young
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  Speaker 2: piece for an aging contract, an aging veteran like that,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. It just kind of risky to me
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  Speaker 2: unless you're really just planning on like embracing James embracing
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  Speaker 2: like the Donovan Mitchell playing point guard at a certain
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  Speaker 2: point or something like that. I feel like maybe they
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  Speaker 2: could have used a wing instead of James Harden and
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  Speaker 2: moved Donovan Mitchell to the point. I feel like that
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  Speaker 2: would have worked out a little bit better. But I
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  Speaker 2: do see what they're coming from where it takes the
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  Speaker 2: ball out of Donovan Mitchell's hands and allows another playmaker
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  Speaker 2: to come in that can also score. That I think
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  Speaker 2: that's the important part of it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I'm with you right there as far as that.
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  Speaker 1: It's definitely gonna I know the Cavs they had one
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  Speaker 1: of or the one of the best offenses in the
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  Speaker 1: league last year, but James Harden. He's gonna take you
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  Speaker 1: another level up from there, because James Harden, no matter
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  Speaker 1: where he goes, he's gonna have bare minimum a top
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  Speaker 1: ten offense. And I think it could get a little
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  Speaker 1: bit staggering at some points. I think we're definitely gonna
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  Speaker 1: see like a Your Turn mic situation with James Harden
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  Speaker 1: and Donovan Mitchell. But honestly, I think this is to
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  Speaker 1: bring in for next year. As crazy as it sounds
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  Speaker 1: how you're saying that they're opening up cap space, I
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  Speaker 1: think they're opening up for one certain guy in the
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  Speaker 1: in the offseason, and he wears number twenty three and
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  Speaker 1: very infamously known. I like this has been picking up steam.
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  Speaker 1: Like I'm not I'm not saying this just because like
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  Speaker 1: we're Bron fans here, but like it makes sense, like
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  Speaker 1: the writing is on the wall, and like what does
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  Speaker 1: Lebron always ask where he asked for veterans who've been
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  Speaker 1: in the playoffs, And so there's gonna be not only
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  Speaker 1: one major spot open, but almost two. So Lebron would
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  Speaker 1: take what a ten million dollar pay cut, which still
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  Speaker 1: be making forty five fifty million dollars a year. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so that's opening up. But the Cavs or I mean
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  Speaker 1: the Clippers side right here. I guess we could talk
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  Speaker 1: about this trade like kind of combine the two. I
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  Speaker 1: like the young core they're going with Darius Garland Benedict Matthrin,
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  Speaker 1: and I know Kawhy is there. Who knows what they're
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  Speaker 1: gonna trade Kawhi for.
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  Speaker 2: Because the suspicion could be looming two, So maybe I
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  Speaker 2: made a lot of teams.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: Head of tan. Yeah, and the injuries, I mean the injury.
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  Speaker 1: So that's where it's like, that's where it's tricky. But
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  Speaker 1: I guess we'll get into that.
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  Speaker 2: As far as in my mind, for a second, I
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  Speaker 2: thought like is he coming back to San Antonio?
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  Speaker 1: Know?
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  Speaker 2: I was like, I was like, who's Harrison Barnes and
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  Speaker 2: Jeremy So handing a couple of picks for Kawhi Leonard?
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  Speaker 2: You know? But also like, okay, the dumbest argument of
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  Speaker 2: all time of why, like who's the team more Katie
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  Speaker 2: or obviously like there's no way it was Katie was
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  Speaker 2: an a restricted free agent.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, like yeah, like Ryan and Damon are not understanding
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  Speaker 1: that right there? No, they're not like Kawhi Okay coming
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  Speaker 1: from an outsider perspective, just to show like Josh hasn't
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  Speaker 1: been biased year. He sat out for two years of
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  Speaker 1: the peak of his powers while Tony Parker, Monogenobili, LaMarcus
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  Speaker 1: Aldridge were at the peak of their powers. He sat
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  Speaker 1: out for two years and they were calling him crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Murray was coming off second team all.
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  Speaker 1: Was he an All Star?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah yet, but he was. He was coming into his own.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, a trajectory. And Kawhi set out, then asked for
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  Speaker 1: a trade, and then like you said, he robbed Danny
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  Speaker 1: Green too, or what did you say? He took Danny
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  Speaker 1: Green as.
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  Speaker 2: To take any game with him as collateral.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's collateral, That's what That's what he said right there.
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  Speaker 1: Easily Kawhi easily by far.
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  Speaker 2: And I've never seen anyone, any coach go up to
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  Speaker 2: a microphone and tell the fans to stop booing somebody.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm saying, like, honestly, who knows if the Spurs
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  Speaker 1: they win a championship, but they at least make a
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  Speaker 1: couple conference finals, Western Conference finals, like they might be
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  Speaker 1: able to.
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  Speaker 2: Beat the one. They're gonna retire Katie's number. They're not
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  Speaker 2: gonna retire kawhil No already game to Dylan Harper.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, say a rookie has it already. But yeah, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: as far as this one, Bendict Matthrin Isaiah Jackson for
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  Speaker 1: Kobe Brown and Avika Zubotch. So people might know a little,
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  Speaker 1: might not know a lot about Zuboch. So where do
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  Speaker 1: you think he is? Do you feel like this is
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  Speaker 1: a big move for the Pacers right here?
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  Speaker 2: I think it definitely is. I think we've seen improvement
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  Speaker 2: from avich A Zubatch over the last couple of seasons.
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  Speaker 2: Definitely offensively, he's definitely developed like an interior game that
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  Speaker 2: with a good footwork and he's creating a lot of havoc.
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  Speaker 2: And we've seen what he's been able to do defensively
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  Speaker 2: against big time players like Nikola Jokic, and he's actually
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  Speaker 2: known as like the Nikola Jokic kripten Kite. So I'm
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  Speaker 2: trying to find the trade right here so I can
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  Speaker 2: see the details. Oh, I found it. I found it.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, so as far as if I think it
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  Speaker 2: works for the Pacers very well, they get honestly, maybe
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  Speaker 2: an upgrade defensively for Myles Turner, Like I really wholeheartedly
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  Speaker 2: with that. Maybe not like he does, but it's not
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  Speaker 2: like if it's zubatches a cone either, Like he goes
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  Speaker 2: up high and set screens and pops out and rolls,
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  Speaker 2: and he really is an enforcer on both ends of
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  Speaker 2: the both ends of the court. And I think it's
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  Speaker 2: a beautiful trade and I don't think they really lose
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  Speaker 2: much because if we look at this first round pick
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  Speaker 2: that they gave up this season, it's protected one through
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  Speaker 2: four and protected ten through thirty. So if it lands
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  Speaker 2: in the five to nine, the Clippers get it. But
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  Speaker 2: if it lands on any other spot, they see their pick,
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  Speaker 2: and then it turns into a twenty thirty one, unprotected
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  Speaker 2: going to the Los Angeles Clippers. So yeah, I think
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  Speaker 2: it's still a win win. Like the trade so far out,
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  Speaker 2: I mean they pick so far out it may not matter,
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  Speaker 2: and it literally would take literal luck for it to
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  Speaker 2: fall five to nine. So as far as the Pacers,
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  Speaker 2: I think they're building a good team for Tyrese Haliburt
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  Speaker 2: when he does return. And the thing is they'll have Tyree's,
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  Speaker 2: they'll have Pascal, they have Andrew Nimpart, they'll have Ben Shippard,
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  Speaker 2: they'll have TJ McConnell. The'll have a bit of Zobah.
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  Speaker 2: Now they'll have Jay Huff and like you're saying, they
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  Speaker 2: will still maybe possibly projectedly, still have a top four pick,
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  Speaker 2: and that could be one of the that could be
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  Speaker 2: Garon Peterson. Imagine him next to Tyreek's Halliburn. He doesn't
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  Speaker 2: even have to be a ball handler, Like, all he
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  Speaker 2: has to do is get to a spot and be
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  Speaker 2: a bucket and that's all he and that's literally all
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  Speaker 2: he is is a bucket. Like so yeah, that and
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  Speaker 2: then even if you want to add in a guy
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  Speaker 2: like a Cameron Booser, you can slot in at the four,
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  Speaker 2: maybe move Passal to his original position at the three,
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  Speaker 2: and just have a big man lineup, you know, or
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  Speaker 2: even just have someone come off the bench. And then
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  Speaker 2: that's not even regarding aj de Bansta. So possibly the
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  Speaker 2: best scorer in all the college basketball aj de Bansta,
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  Speaker 2: and he's like the Cooper Flag Route a year younger
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  Speaker 2: than he's supposed to be right now. So they if
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  Speaker 2: they land one of those guys plus Avich Zubos, this
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  Speaker 2: Pacers team I think next by next year them in
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  Speaker 2: the Celtics because Jayson Tatum, I do think makes that
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  Speaker 2: much of an impact. They'll be the two teams fighting
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  Speaker 2: for those top two spots in the Eastern Conference and
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  Speaker 2: the Pistons because trajectory and the progression.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, the Pacers right here, this trade, it's necessarily
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  Speaker 1: I think it showed okay.
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  Speaker 2: And he's cheap. Yeah, nineteen to twenty million dollars a
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  Speaker 2: year for a starting five in the NBA. Who's that's
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  Speaker 2: in the East. Who in the East may be an
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: All Star caliber player in the East, so it might.
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: Be the best Pewter center in the East. Jared Allen, No, Zubuck. Well,
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: Jared Allen just did drop forty forty good.
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: Jared Allen's pretty good.
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: Hey, Zubach, he dropped a couple forty burgers before that.
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: He's good.
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: So I would say same level. I would say same level.
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: But yeah, the Pacers right here. This is more of
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: a trade where it's like we're playing on the season.
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: But let's get back to this next year. Let's get
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: back to this trade next year, and you're gonna see
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: how much of an impact he's gonna have with Tyre's Halliburn,
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: who we talked about how how Grady was with James Harden.
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: Just imagine with the best passer in the league and
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: Tyrese Halliburn or debatably what top three bare minimum. But
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: the Clippers right here, like I was saying, they're finally
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: they don't have draft picks, so you have to get young,
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: promising prospects and Darius Carlin and al Benedict Mathras.
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: It's not necessarily that they're and they're getting draft picks.
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong, they're but they're not getting draft
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: picks like within the next two years. But come twenty
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: twenty eight, come and on, they're gonna be set up
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: with some great draft capital. And who knows what that
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: turns into for the Los Angeles Clippers. And you know,
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: we'll see what they do in the Officerson with Kawhi,
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: you know, o Hardley. But I do think the Clippers
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: did make some good moves that were much needed, Like
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: I think these movies were needed, like so bad for
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: them for them to actually like, Okay, we need to
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: just get rid of this core and move forward.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was definitely something where it's like it's like, Okay,
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: we did ruin that Paul George trade and we're gonna
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: be living through that for the next five to ten years.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: But how can we recoup some of that? And they've done,
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: not not completely, but they've done a decent job. I
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: don't think you could like ever do a good job
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: from recovering from it, but a decent job from it.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: But all right, time to get I think this was
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: the first major or no, the second major domino to fall.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: The Anthony Davis trade, which I'm trying to find the
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: details right now.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: If you can find it before trying to scroll up
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: and down.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: Are you on the NBA transaction?
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: I'm on Yahoo?
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: Oh, y on Yahoo?
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: I got it?
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: You got it?
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: Okay, Mavericks get Chris Middleton, AJ Johnson, Malachai Brandon, Marvin Bagley,
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: the third Thunder's twenty twenty six first round pick, Warriors
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: twenty thirty first round pick, Sons, it's top twenty protected,
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: that's crazy, Son's twenty twenty six second round pick, PLLs
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty seven second round pick, Rockets twenty twenty nine
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: second round pick, and the Wizards get Anthony Davis, Jayden Hardy,
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: Angela Russell, and Dante Exam, which we all know the
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: main piece of this is Anthony Davis.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: So yeah, it's okay.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: And also it really means nothing.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: Like it really isn't, but Anthony Davis being out for
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: the rest of the year, So okay, this means that
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: not only are they gonna have Alex sar Keishawn, George
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: Trey Young, Will Trey Young who knows if he comes back,
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: and they're gonna have a top five pick this year
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: because they're gonna have Allow.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: They still have a couple other pieces too, so justin
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: Champige's on a very team friendly contract.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: So where do you see the Wizards moving forward? Obviously
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: this isn't again, this isn't a move for this year.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: This is a move for next year. Where do you
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: see moving forward? Yeah?
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: So, I mean I said at the beginning of the season,
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: like even last year, that I do think the pre
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: draft I said that the Wizards have one of the
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: best futures in my eyes, I really wholeheartedly believe that.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: I do think they've put some good pieces on that
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: team to really make things happen. And Trey Johnson, we
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: forgot that he's still there too, so they still have
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: a bucket getter like when they need one, especially, I
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: do think he has the makers of a lot will
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: like I will say that just changing like I think
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: a six man that can just bring you buckets off
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: the bench. But as far as the Washington Wizards their future,
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: I love this trade for the Washington Wizards. If they
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: don't resign Trey Young and Anthony Davis to contract existence immediately,
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: like they need to at least give themselves a year
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: to figure out this team as a whole and a
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: collective and how they play together and see if they
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: actually those two guys get injured, because if they get
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: injured while on a contract extension, you're just stuck in
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: the same place you were at before, paying big name
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: guys and trading away draft capital that you could have kept.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: But now if you really wait and see, okay, next season,
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: how does Trey Young play with this? How does how
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: is he moving around? How's Anthony Davis and Alexan Gjasar defensively?
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: How what is this tandem looking like? And almost this
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: is what I feel like. What's the name dude that
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: just got fired from the Mavericks already forgot his name?
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: Nico Nico Harrison. This is what I feel like he
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: may be projected for this lineup of the Mavericks to
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: eventually be just at a lesser level. But I do
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: think this is gonna help Alexander Starrs development having Trey
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: Young and Anthony Davis, because I mean, Trey Young being
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: a pastor that he is is only going to make
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: people around him better offensively, and Anthony Davis just being
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: able to show him the rope, show him how to
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: play defensively when a time, his blocks, when the time everything,
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: when the time rebounds. Because Anthony Davis, whether people like
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: it or not, and a lot of slender has been
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: on his name, has has been on his name. He's
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: one of the top big man of all time, and
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: that's just that's not even a debate. And I do
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: think they can do a lot by next season. I
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: don't think that they'll be a conference contender or a
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: satch NBA Championship contender, but I do think that they'll
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: be a playoff contenter. And I think for the Washington Wizards,
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: they're still going to have a top pick this year
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: as well. And I think that's why the Anthony Davis
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: shut was for sure an outlook that was going to happen,
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: and afar Trey Young shutdown is gonna come here pretty soon.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: As well. So I think they know what they're doing.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: They're gonna add another big piece in the offseason, I'm sure,
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: and I'm sure they have a lot of caprim haven't
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: looked at it completely and enough to go get another
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: guy to add on to this young and up and
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: coming roster along with these two veterans that I do.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: You do need two strong veterans, and I think this
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Washington Wizards team can make some noise.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I definitely think the Washington Wizards. They they're
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: gonna be good for the next two to three years,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: like after this year. It's just my biggest thing is
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: that you're putting stock into As much as we want
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: to say, I'm not worried about Trey Young. Trey Young
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: he barely got hurt this year, so I'm not gonna
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: say he's injury prone. But Anthony Davis, you're putting stock.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: This is already the second team we've seen in a
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: year put major stock into injury prone guy. Whenever he's
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: on the he's amazing. He's amazing on the court, and
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: I think it will work out with Alex Sar that's
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: not the problem. It's just a matter of will he
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: stay on the court. That's the biggest thing. And I
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: know some people are gonna say, like how you were
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: saying their playoff contenders maybe not conference championship contenders, and
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: why should you make this trade. You know, some teams
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: they're just not cut to win NBA championships, whether we
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: like it or not. Honestly, it's probably the same ten
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: to eight teams throughout the entire year for the next
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: five ten years, unless a drastic superstar goes somewhere else,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: it's usually the same teams every single time. So you'd
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: be fine with making a second round, making a conference championship.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: That's that's just part of the game. If we really
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: want to look at it as sports, there's a few
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: teams that really do win championships. Look at the NBA,
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: look at football, look at baseball. It's very few teams
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: that win.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: So it's the same teams over and over again.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, exactly. Look at the Warriors and Calves
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: and Spurs who dominated what from five all the way
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: to twenty eighteen, a thirteen year stretch. So yeah, it's
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: just I really like what the Wizards are doing, and
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: I just think that let them get a top three pick.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: Let them get just one of the three aged honestly, well,
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: that's why.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: The draft to get the number one pick this year.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: I feel like this would have been one of the
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: best spots for Cooper Flag, like just at like a
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: developed at a growing standpoint on a young team, Like
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: I think if they had Cooper Flag right now, this
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: team would look pretty nasty. But yeah, you know, obviously,
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: like he's on the Mavericks and that's a hypothetical right now.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: But at the time, I was like, if this team
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: gets a young superstar who knows what they can do.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm looking right now, they're gonna have forty
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: five million in cap space, so they're they're gonna have
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: some wiggle room this year to.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: Get in the offseason good solid role player, some type
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: of move and who knows who they move around?
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, and who knows yeah, yeah exactly. So I
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: think it's real interesting. I really like this move right here.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: I know it probably shocks some people, but man, I'm
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: just saying is from this map side right here. I
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: don't remember the exact screenshot of like what they end
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: up getting for Luca, but it was pretty much Chris
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Middleton and like four first round picks and like three seconds,
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: aj Johnson, So this is Luca Trade's looking worse and
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: worse and worse. So I just I know the Luca
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: trade always gets brought up, but if they didn't have
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Cooper Flag, oh my goodness, Josh, this would be like
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: one of I mean, I think it already is the worst,
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: but one of the worst trades in history, I think
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: already pass surpassing or no, do you think it surpasses
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: a Shay the Shade trade with Clippers?
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Okay, I will say this. I don't think the Clippers
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: knew he was gonna end up becoming what he was. Yeah, okay, Yeah,
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: it's different. It's different trading a guy at the peak
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: of his powers and then like trading for and I
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: don't know, it was just it's I think I think
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: it just it's just damn as she turned into that
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: guy like for the Clippers. But as far as I'm like, no,
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: we had a guy and we still traded him.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that is true. But all right, well let's.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: See it's one of the worst trades of all time. Hi. Yeah,
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: I mean.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that that is true. From the very beginning, as
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: soon as the Luca trade happened. People were like, this
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: is the worst trade we've ever seen. But okay, let's
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: get to some of these other trades right here. Which
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: where do you want to go next?
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: You know where we gotta go next. We got too
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: We got multiple things to talk about with you, Fonzo,
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: save it for little bit. We can go McCain.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Let's let's go Jared McCain. Let's go Jared McCain to
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: the thud Okay, three second round picks. So you people
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: know this. You're a Jared McCain guy, you've been a
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: Jared McCain guy, but you also hate the Thunder. So
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: this is two sides clashing right here. So where do
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: you got.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: I hate Jared McCain. He's an off now. I I'm sorry.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: I just can't support him no more. I just I
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: hate that he paints his fingernails now, and I hate
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: that he does TikTok dances, and I just I just
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: don't like anything about him, to be honest with you, like,
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: he's I'm sorry, yeah, so no, but yeah, I don't
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: like him anymore. But I'm not gonna lie about that.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: He's on the he's on the thunder. I'm sorry. You're
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: a guilty by association. But I I do think this
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: is a good move for him. I will say, like,
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: I just don't know what he is right now anymore.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: We haven't seen it this year. We haven't seen him
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: really get back to what he was that thirty game
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: stretch as a rookie. But he has been dealing with
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: injury after injury and after injury. And who knows that
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: that's affecting him physically or if he's just going through
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: a slump right now because lack of basketball play. But
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: I do think if there's anything that can get him
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: to start playing hard again or get him to start
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: getting back to his true offensive rhythm, it's the Oklahoma
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: City Thunder. I mean they got Chip England, the best
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: shooting coaching basketball, they got a good development staff. I mean,
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: let's just look at their roster from up and down,
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: and I'm telling you, he is better than everybody else,
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: Like from a talent perspective, then almost everyone else not
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: named Shay and Jadub and Trett Holmgren on that basketball teams.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: And I would argue he's probably the fourth best player
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: on that team, like just from a talent standpoint. As
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: far as production, he may be arguably right behind ag Mitchell.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: What did you hear me?
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: My bad? You glisted out on me for a second.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: You glisted out on me for a second.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: Oh, you're a gliding on his talent.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: And then okay.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: I think as far as the Thunder set up as
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: a roster, I think that he may be at from
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: a talent standpoint, their fourth best player, like it were
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: being honestly like. But the thing is putting it together
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: is where it's gonna be the problem. And I did
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: say that having the developmental staff of the Oklahoma City
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: Thunder and the bes shitting coaching basketball and check England,
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: I think I do think he'll get back onto track.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: Who knows if he'll get back to that thirty game
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: stretch that he had as rookie or if he'll get
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: you right underneath that. And I think they had that
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: coming off the bench. It does way more for them
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: than they had already because one of my biggest knocks
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: is that they didn't have a secondary ball handler And
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: what does Jared McCain provide a secondary ball handler who
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: can create his own shot? And I do think that's
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: exactly what they needed. And if he can get back
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: to what he was. This addition to Oklahoma City Thunder,
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: it could not gonna break them, but it can definitely
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: elevate them to another level than they already were. And
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: as far as the seventy six ers, you sold way
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: too low, Like I think you sold way too early.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: I understand you have you have j Edgecombe, you have
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: Tyres Maxie, you have he who's shound out be named
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: Clinton Grimes, and then so I guess you had, but
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: I don't. I don't. I didn't see the need for
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: having to make a decision. Now, I really do think
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: they could have wrote it out a little bit longer
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: and see if he would have got back into form,
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: and then in the off season see what you would
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: be able to get, because I feel like you still
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: could have got this in the off season, this same
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: exact trade for Jared McCain.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, shout out to Quick Grimes. I completely forgot about
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: that reference right there. But yeah, no, the biggest thing
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: was that Jew he hasn't been as good yet this
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: year offensively.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Sorry, my thunder hatred just comes through when we
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: talk about them. But yeah, I think they're a little
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: a little overrated a little bit.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: They're overrated a little bit.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: Af Yeah, yeah, I think they're overrated.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: Are you saying that from like your Spurs.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: No, I'm saying that from actually like watching basketball standpoint,
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: Like they don't have a guy Chet Holmgren, I'm sorry,
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: is not that guy like offensively at least like he's
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: just not that guy. Like he doesn't know how to
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: assert himself. He's not consistent from three, and he doesn't
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: know how to really bang down low. He never does it.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: All he does is shit from the mid range. And
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: if he gets screens and then he rolls and scores.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: He never really posts up anybody in the paint, you
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: know so, and then he never takes over basketball games anymore.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: He hasn't done that since his rookie year where he
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: was dropping thirty, where he was dropping twenty five, twenty eight,
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: where there was that little like conversation for a little
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: bit that existed, but there was a conversation for a
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: little bit. And then look at Jadab. People say, Okay,
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: he had a good finals. Yes you showed up when
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: it mattered, But I'm talking about like the majority of
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: games that you do play, you're nowhere to be found
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: found unless SGA's on the court. You're nowhere to be
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: found unless SGA's putting the ball in hand. There's nowhere
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: to be found unless SGA is getting double team. I'm
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: just sorry. Like he's just not a creator of his
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: own shot like that, Like he's just not a good
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: he's not that great offensively as people want to narrate
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: him to be. I just don't think it's I just
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: don't think that they There's too many times in the
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: Oklahoma City Thunders season so far, and we've seen it
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: ever since they lost to the Spurs. It's not us. Yeah,
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: it's not just us that causes them problems. It's been
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: ever since that teams have found a way to shut
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: down the Oklahoma City Thunder to an extent. Obviously he
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: can't do it because there's still a Grea basketball team.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: I'm saying, where they're where, where it's them and everybody else,
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: it no longer. I don't think that's the narrator. I
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: don't think that should be the narrative. Like I do
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: think that there is teams that can definitely compete with
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: them in the seven game series, like the like the
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: Dinver Nuggets, like the Santonio Spurs, And I think honestly
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: even that, even like a team like the New York
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: Knicks Detroit Pistons, can I think compete with them in
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: a seven game series right now. But on that's because
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: I feel like when you need another person to score,
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: no one else is stepping up to the plate besides SGA,
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: And I think that's why this Jerem McCain trade matters
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: so much.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, okay, I'll say this. I agree with your
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: take as far as right now where they could compete
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: in the seven game series with them right now, but
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: we could clearly say this is definitely not the best
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: thunder basketball we're gonna get throughout this entire year. Like
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: we saw that, think we already saw it.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: Maybe we already saw the best they're gonna play.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: We saw it at the beginning of the year. And
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: they're going through a rough patch and still the one
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: seed by what five games in the Western Conference. So
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: and I know SHA's gonna be out for a little bit.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: So maybe this is a time where not only Shaye
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: is gonna save some tread on the tires. But as
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: far as we're Jada word Chet where Jared McCain, they're
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: gonna have to figure things out there, they're gonna have to,
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: so this could be a potential blessing in disguise. So
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: I agree with you right now as far as the Thunder,
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: they're definitely not playing the best basketball. Are they overrated
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: to the extent right now? I would say no, because
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: I think it's neck and neck right there between them
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: San Antonio, Denver, even Minnesota, which I'll talk about that
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: Minnesota trade in a sex.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah we are, we are.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: I want to regret it. But but yeah, the Thunder,
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: they're definitely not playing best their best basketball right now.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: But I think they're gonna take it a tick up
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: after the All Star break, whenever Shay gets back. That
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: that's my thinking right there. So I agree with you
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: on that. Maybe Chat's not as good as we pan
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: him out to be. But Ja Dubb, I don't know
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: just what I saw versus Denver, what I saw versus Minnesota.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: It wasn't just the finals. It was three consecutive playoff
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: series in crucial situation where they were doubling Shay and
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: he had to make the right passes. So I've seen
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: it from J Dubb. It's we've seen it in the
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: brightest spots, like we need to see it in the
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: regular season. But hey, in all honesty, I'd rather have
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: a playoff riser than than a regular season great in
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: all honesty.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: Maybe maybe that's I guess. I'm just I guess I'm
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: just a believer that your game is just a consistent
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: game until it's not. You know, Like I I think
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: like that. I think consistency throughout the entirety of basketball.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: Like I understand that people do rise to another level
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: because playoff atmospheres do rise. But how can I trust
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: you if I don't see it night in and night out?
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: Right now, you know what I'm saying, Like, that's just
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: my thing. Like I understand, We've seen it in the past.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: We've seen players play great in the past that never
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: get to that level again. We've seen that player like TJ.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: Warren and the bubble will just go ape and the
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: next season in the playoffs go ape again. So I'm
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: just saying, like, I just need to see it game
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: in and game out. Like Jimmy Butler is known as
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: not a good regular season basketball player, but when the
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: playoffs comes around, he's a different animal. And we saw
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: last year that caught up to him. He just wasn't
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: the same guy in the postseason like he was. So
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: it's just one of those things like I need to
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: see it on a consistency rather than hope that you
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: do do it in the playoffs, because how do I know,
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: how do I know.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: You are again? Yeah, I buy that, No, that makes sense,
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: But I just think that I saw it and it
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: was so recent that who knows if that knee injury
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: that he had at the beginning of the year is
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: still like lingering. Maybe like he's finally like gonna start
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: finding his footing without Shae, without Shae in the lineup,
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: But I don't know that's that's gonna be something to watch.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: But uh, it's it's time. It's time Josh to talk
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: about all all the trades. Which one?
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: Which one?
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: Do you want me to just list them out to you?
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: I mean I could just listen them out.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: Just which one do you want to talk about? Which
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: one do you want to talk about? You know you
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: gotta get you gotta start off with one. Rip the
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: band aid off. Let's let the band aid off.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: Band aid. This is not no band aid, bro, this
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: is like time.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: Let's krip it off. Let's let's rip it off.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: Kobe to the whole.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: Trade Kobe White to the Hornets, Bulls get Calling Sexton,
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: give me Suceman Dang twenty twenty nine second round pick,
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: the least favorable of the Nuggets or Hornets next twenty
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: thirty one second round pick, the Nuggets twenty thirty one
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: second round pick, and the Hornets get cod be White,
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: Mike Conley Jr. A twenty twenty nine second round pick,
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: and the lead which is the least favorable of the
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: Hawks or he and the Thunders get Mason Plumley Jr. So,
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: so what are your thoughts? Man? You just lost your guy.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: You just lost your guy.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: As as the people who have been watching for multiple years.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: When I said they were overgetning to overtake the Bulls,
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: I didn't mean that they were actually gonna take something
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: from the Bulls. I'm thought they were just gonna move
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: up in the standings above them.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: Not only did they take our precious ten spot that
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: we have for the past four years, but they took
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: my favorite player in Kobe White, like I don't have
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: a jersey of him for no reason, Like Josh knows this,
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: my phantom of Kobe White, like this has been even
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: before he was good like like this has been my
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: favorite player. I even said it on our NFL pod,
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: which y'all should check that out. We even started off
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: with Kobe White. Dad asked me about that, and I'm
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: telling you I wasn't joking whenever I said, whenever you
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: texted me, Josh, whenever you just texted me Kobe, and
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: I already knew what happened, Bro, I already knew what happened.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: I was trying to deny it. I was trying to
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: deny Kobe White being gone. But this is like the
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: stages of grief. I'm still in denial. I'm still in
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: I'm still on the first one, still on the first
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: step right here, right.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: I'll never forget, Yeah.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: I'll never forget Kobe White getting traded. Like like I'm
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: not even joking when I say when like Derrick Rose
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: got traded to the Knicks, this is like Kobe White
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: getting traded to the Horn. It's like it's rough and
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: like not only that, we we we keep getting guards,
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: like we have so many guards on the roster. We
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: have six guards on the roster. Like you would think, okay,
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: we're trading with Kobe White. It's like, okay, we have
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: a bunch of guards. Maybe we should go get like
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: maybe a forward, let's go get let's actually get a
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: two guard, like somebody who could play off the ball. No,
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: we're gonna get Calling Sexton. Yeah, and we're gonna get
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: Mike Conley, which we're gonna release and he's gonna go
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: back to Timberwolves. But yeah, we're gonna stay with guards
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: and three second round picks and which it goes to
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: two second round picks because Kobe White's hurt, so so
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: it goes down because he didn't pass his physical. So yeah,
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: that's even better right there for the Bulls. We get
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: less compensation. We could have gotten a first round pick
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: for Kobe White, Like, you can't convince me otherwise. He
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: drops fifteen, five and five consistently every night, and a
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: good secondary, secondary creator or a six man. So this
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: is just rough man, it's it's rough. My goat is gone.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: And I'll never forget. I'll never forget him dunking on Wimby.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: I know Josh won't forget that. He's gonna be one
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: of the few guys that's ever dunked on Wimby in
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: a Bulls uniform. I'm just saying, but go ahead, Josh,
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: what do you think of this?
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Tree, I think Throst is really annoy me saying
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: that him and Colin Sexton are like on the same level,
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: like they're the same player. Like no, uh, Kob White's
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: way better than Colin Sexton. I'm sorry, Like Kobe White's
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: just a better offensive Like sorry, Colin Sexton isn't dropping
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: twenty three at night. He's just not gonna do it.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: It's Kobe White will, and he's probably just as good defensively.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: So I do think that they did lose a pretty
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: big asset losing Koby White. But I guess they had
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: to get rid of somebody, you know, and they could
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: have got rid of anyone else, like any other the
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: five other guards that they had on their team, but
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: they didn't, and they got ready Kby White. So let's
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: just talk about him for a point for a stand, Like,
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: I do think that going to the Hornets is gonna
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: be good. Are they gonna resign him? We'll have to.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: We have to look at that, because they do have
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: a lot of shooters. They have a lot of guards
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: right now, not a guard. They have a lot of
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: scorers right now, which I do. I am excited for
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: the Hornets right now. Like I said that they're they're
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: my surprise team. I do think that they've been doing
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: very well, especially with Brandon Miller, with LaMelo Ball, with
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: Konk Nupple, with did I just went blank. But yeah,
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: they've had a really good team so far this year,
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: and I think having him come off the bench will
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: probably only elevate them to a to a higher to
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: it just a team with a lot more threats on
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: the roster, and they've they've already been giving people a
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: lot of trouble, especially and but now shooting the three,
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: they just seem like a team that probably won't be
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: able to miss. Yeah.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: No, as far as this Hornet side right here, I
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: love this move for him, Like this is just saying
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: we're gonna score points, Like we're gonna outscore you. We're
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: gonna be in a track meet every single every single game.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: And I'm not even joking, Like whenever Kobe White does
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: come back, it's I love this for the Hornets. And
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: they're on an eight game win I think it's eight
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: at this moment a game win streak right now, and
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: they're the hottest team in the league because they score
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: points and they shoot the three at an efficient level.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: On Kobe White, he shoots forty from three for the
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: past three years, so they're they got him for a
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: right reason. But let me let me just you or
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: I even underestimated how many guards we have on the roster, Josh.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: How many guards do you think the Bulls have on
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: the roster as of right now? A fifteen man roster?
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: Okay, so we got Trey Jones, got Josh Kitty, got
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: Anthony Simon's, we got Rob Dillingham. Hold up, Mike Conley Jr.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: Right now, Well he's gone already.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: We already released.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: Him, already released him. Dang it. Yeah mmmm, I'm not
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: sure who are the other Who are the other two?
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: We have eight guards on a fifteen man roster. Not
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: that's for a reason, Rob Dillingham, Josh Kitty, Jayden, Ivy,
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: Trey Jones, U Key, Oh Jadon, Ivy, Yeah, Kevin Warra,
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: Mac McClung, Colin Saxon, and Anthrony Simons. And like this
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: is all just off, like this is all off the
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: top top of my head. I think we signed Yuki.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: I think Ryan was the one that told me that one,
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: But who knows shout out to the short king himself.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: But I don't know. I don't know, Josh, like, I
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: can't tell you where the Bulls are going with this.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: But you know what, let's talk about a move that
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: helps out two other teams right here, which finally we
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: get rid of nikola Usovich, which Josh knows this. I've
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: been trying to get rid of him for years. Off
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: the Bulls roster. He goes to the Boston Celtics for
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: Anthony Simon's one of the million guards we have in
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: a second round pick. So not much from the Bulls side,
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: But what do you think about this from the Celtics
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: side right here?
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: I think as hard as the Celtics side, it really
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: adds a stretch, a stretch five for them. They can
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: definitely compete with any of They just beat Who do
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: they just beat by thirty? The Nicks? The Knicks. They
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: just beat the Knicks by thirty. So and I'm at
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: and Dylan Brown didn't even play in that. No, they
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: beat the Rockets by thirty.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: Oh those are Rockets?
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: Was it the Rockets?
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: Let me let me see, I swear as the Knicks.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: I'll check.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: I thought it was the Rockets. But because the Knicks
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: have been doing pretty good actually, so.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: Let me see.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: It was okay, no, but Vouchs. I think this adds
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: a good stretch five for them. I understand Ryan was
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: kind of annoying me. I think he was just being
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: more of a fan saying that Luke Garza and who
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: else do you say? I forgot the other player that
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: he was saying. Yeah, I was like, no, they are
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: not better than Nikolaus nikola Vusvich can drop can drop
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: twenty two and ten each and every single given night
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: if he wanted to. And I do think having that
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: guy kind of adds a little bit of what Al
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: Horford was a couple of seasons ago, at least offensively.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: We're gonna have to wait and see what Voochs does defensively,
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: especially come playoff time, because we do know he is
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: not one of the better defenders in the NBA. He's
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: actually pretty bad. But as far as offense, we know
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: he's one of the better players in the NBA at
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: a big at the big man spot. So I do
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: think this adds another weapon to them offensively that they
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: can really separate from teams with when especially in crunch time,
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: when they need a big bucket too, he'll be there.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So Boston, they beat Miami, they beat Houston by
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: twenty one, they'd be Dallas by ten. They'd beat Milwaukee
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: by by over forty, that's who they beat them. But
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: I think from Boston size right here, I'm wondering because,
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: first off, Jaylen Brown, he should be an MVP conversation,
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: which I know we'll talk about another day. But this
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: dude's been balling, and Jason Tatum does he come back?
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: Like the East is still wide open and you just
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: got Nikola Vusevich. So he's on a one year deal.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: Maybe you could resign him for cheap. But I think
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: this points in a direction where I see Jason Tatum
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: coming back in all honesty, like not even trying to
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: rush him back. He's already he was already deadlifting four
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: or five the other day. It was shown on social media.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: Like if he's already doing that, he's getting close to
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: basketball shape. Like, I know you have to play his
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: way in, but if he come back by March or April,
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: like he's saying late March, early April, he should be
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: backed by the postseason. Even Jason Tatum being there makes
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: so much of a difference. But okay, I want to
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: ask you about this one right here, so because I
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: know you've seen this guy play up close and personal
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: right here, Ioas sum to the Timberwolves right here, and
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: Julian Phillips for Rob Dillingham, Leonard Miller and four second
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: round picks right here. So do you think this is
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: a good move for the Timberwolves right here?
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: Tryna find it so I can have to like get
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: right in front of me. Oh, you can't find it.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: I found it. No, I did not find it. I'm
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: a liar. I'm a liar. I'm sorry.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: Oh man, I would assume it. Bro that was I
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: still remember whenever Joshua I watched the game Triple Dome.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah he went crazy.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: No.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: But as far as like the Bulls getting robbed Dillingham,
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I just feel like that's not the
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: team for him to go to. Like I do think
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: he needs to go to a team that's established that
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: can develop him, you know, and give him or maybe
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: he does get played, and I don't think he gets
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: play time on the Bulls, which is the crazy part.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: Like I just don't see him getting away for him
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: to play. So this isn't a team that he can
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: really grow from as far as the Rob Dillingham standpoint,
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: But I do like Io to Minnesota, and I do
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: think they needed this move bad. A guy that can move,
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: that can that can handle the ball, move the ball
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: around fine open guys. But most importantly Io can score
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: like he can score from really all levels of basketball.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: He can get to the rack. I've seen it first hand.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: He can score it to the rack, mid range three
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: point shot. And he's very good defensively as well. Like
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: he he can stay in front of a lot of people.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: Not the greatest defender, but he's still a good defender
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: in the NBA. And I do think they needed this
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: move bad. I think they realize, Okay, maybe that Gianni
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: isn't going to be an option for us. You need
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: draft picks to actually do that. But I do think
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: that for them getting Io it really helps their chances,
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: especially going into a time where you want to make
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: a run for that top three, for that top four,
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: and play a good, easier team in the playoffs. So
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: I do think that this move for them definitely gives
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: them a lot of firepower that and take a lot
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: of pressure away from Anthony Edwards, especially handling the basketball
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: and scoring.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that this move already considered the Timberwolves
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: close to title contenders, and I think like they're in
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: that next echelon. I see them up there with the
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: level of the thunder of the Spurs the Nuggets in
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: my opinion, because they have the defensive versatility and Anthony
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: Edwards is only getting better. How I view this, somebody
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: else said it. I forgot who said. I don't want
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: to take credit for it, but how Nakil Alexander Walker
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: was defensively, This is like the gadget guy for like offensively,
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: if that makes sense. They're not gonna have that defensive firepower,
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: but they have more offensive firepower, in which helping out
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: Anthony Edwards being a secondary ball creator is going to
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: do so so much for him because I owe he
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: could drop. He just didn't have the opportunity to drop
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: fifteen three and three every single game if needs to,
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: and upgrade over Mike Conley, who is going to be
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: back on this roster, which I don't know how that
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: works since he got traded somewhere else, since he got
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: traded to Charlotte from the Bulls, so I don't know
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: how that works. He's able to go back to the Timberwolves,
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: but they're they're getting him back, so they pretty much
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: didn't lose much in all honesty, And this is just
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: an athletic upgrade. In the Western Conference, you need to
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: have athletic guards to keep up with everybody who's there
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: in the In the Western Conference, you have the Spurs
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: all the guards. They have, the Thunders guards, the Nuggets,
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: Jamal Murray, the Rockets, they still have some good guards.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: So this is a move they needed to make. And
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: I think they're in that up rational ont of title contenders.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: But all right, Josh, is there any or what other
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: move is there? Maybe Kminga, Yeah, Kaminga and Buddy healed to.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: The Hawks, so yeah, you think, I don't know. I
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: don't really like.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: I just think Christops maybe this is just maybe a
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: last push effort to maybe see if they can get
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: a guy that can also be a secondary scorer with
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: Jimmy Butler going down for the season. But Chris Stops,
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: who knows if he's even gonna be available, And we'll
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: see what they do with the contract. And as far
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: as Johnathan Kaminga, I think it's probably one of the
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: worst parts he could have gone to, like as far
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: as like him getting back into a rotation. There's too
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: many forwards, there too many wing players. And then plus
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: like for a guy that's not great at shooting the three,
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: there's not another ball handler next to him to really
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: get him the ball. They're gonna try forcing Payson Daniels
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: to play point guard, and I just don't see that happening.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: And yeah, I just don't like to move from either side.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah I don't. It's a very weird move, but I
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: understand them getting off of Chris stops and straight Young
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: is not there no more. But I'll say this about
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: the Warriors, So Warrior fans can't keep expecting them to
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: make this great move to pair alongside Steph Curry, because
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: if they didn't do it at thirty six years old,
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: thirty seven years old, thirty eight years old, what makes
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: you think they're gonna trade for somebody at thirty nine
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: years old or alongside somebody who's thirty nine years old.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: So I guess I could see both sides of it,
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: Like where Steph he's like content saying like, Okay, I
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: won my championships, I won my last raw. I'm not
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: gonna I'm not gonna be crazy and say I'm demanding
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: the trade or if you don't trade for this person,
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: I'm not. Maybe he's just he's like, I have my championships.
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: I have my four championships. He's like, I had a
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: great career and I'm gonna play the rest of this
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: out like going on a Kobe arc. Pretty much, that's it.
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: That's what it seems like up to this point.
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: I feel like just waving the right flag a little
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: bit like waving the white flag, like it's over, Like
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: you know, if the dynasty's over.
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so. Because Christop's expiring contract, you're gonna
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: free up cap space, so who knows how that goes.
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: But also another thing, if you're gonna trade a young
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: star and Jonathan kaminga will star, you're if you're trading him,
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: you should trade him two years ago, whenever you had
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: him at the peak of his value. Like, like I
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: was just talking about this with the Grizzlies at the
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: beginning of the episode. You could have two through fifteen
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: be so great. You could have it be so great,
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: but if you don't have that one guy that get
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: you over the top, it doesn't matter, And you know what,
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: the Warriors did have that one guy and Steph Curry,
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: and they didn't make those moves to go acquire another star,
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: to acquire a third guy, a fourth guy. So it's
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: just like, why would they do it now? There's no
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: more expecting from the Warriors up to this point as
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: far as to trade for anybody. So it's frustrating. But
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: at the same time, it's like, so what But okay,
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: last thing, everybody was talking about it for a while,
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: We talked about at the beginning of the season, Jannis
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: ended up not being traded. So what did you take
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: away from this whole fiasco? I feel like there was
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: a bunch of antics, a bunch of drama in this one.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: So what did you take away from this? After Shams
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: finally said he's not being traded?
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: I just thought, like, what a waste of time? Like
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: what a waste right now? Like there's there's belief that
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: they still can build a team around Yannis and fight
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: for a championship, Then what are you doing, Like what
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: are we doing right now? Like why haven't you done it?
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: One of those things? And then like you don't think
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: every other team that's trying to trade for him thinks
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: the same thing, you know, So it's kind of like
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: just I don't know, I feel like you're just trying
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: to hold on. But also I understand the Buck standpoint,
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: like why am I gonna trade you if you're not
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: truly demanding it? And why would I trade you for
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: less than what we think we can get, you know,
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: So it's just one of those things as well, like
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: we'll just hold you and you can't do nothing about it.
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: So I see both side standpoint. I just think maybe
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: Janni's just needs to be a more assertive and where
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: he wants to go, where he wants to play, and
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: who he wants to pray for or because if he doesn't,
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: if he's not speaking out on it, then the Bucks
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: for sure aren't on some type of urgency to really
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: get anything done. I mean, James Harden came out as
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: for a trade on Monday, was traded on Tuesday or
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: Wednesday or Wednesday, but you know what I mean. So
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: I just think that there has to be in a
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: sort of effort from both sides to really get the
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: thing done and to get what they both want. Because
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: I understand the Bucks maybe don't want to let him
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: go they want to build a toom around him because
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: he is their greatest player of all time. But sometimes
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: you just got a cut bait. You weren't able to
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: get the job done for years, years and years and years.
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: You swung for the finches on MANI moves failed many times,
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: and sometimes that's just the name of the basketball, that's
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: the name of sports, Like you're gonna fail more often
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: than you succeed. And literally there's only one winner at
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: the end of the day. Thirty one teams in the
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: NFL are gonna fail this year, have felt it will
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: fail this year, and twenty nine teams in the NBA
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: will fail this year. So I just think it's part
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: of the part of the process, and the process is
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: figuring out what you do with your biggest asset of
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: all time and trying to figure out how you can
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: navigate the best move for your team and the best move,
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: and Giannis has to nagate and navigate the best move
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: for himself as well.
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: I just hate that. Like, Okay, first off, Jiannis has
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: has only won one playoff series since winning the championship,
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: So first off, I'm gonna say that, and just going
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: back and forth as far as like I want to
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: be traded. My heart is here in Milwaukee. Blah blah blah,
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: Like like you're saying demand for a trade, Like you
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: can't come back and give that infamous Wolf of Wall
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: Street quote saying, oh I'm not leaving. I'm not leaving
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: on Twitter after all those reports, which I know were
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: true as far as you trying to get out of Milwaukee.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: So it's like just stick to one side, like whether
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: you are do you want to be traded or not?
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: And like like you're saying, the Bucks they have every
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: single right not to trade Gianni's because I'm pretty sure
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: they could get ten times more from him in the summer.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: Whenever they have draft picks that are lined up. Maybe
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: I don't maybe somebody ends up falling or going to
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: the top five, they get a young superstar and one
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: of these this great draft class right here, So it
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: makes sense from the Buck side right here. But Jannis,
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: just make up your mind, like I don't even know
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: if you want to be traded up to this point,
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: no more so there's so much back and forth. So yeah,
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: that's it was just overwhelming. Like it was talked about
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: from from what November all the way up to February
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: and build up all the way shall said don't sleep
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: because Giannis is gonna get traded, and then it didn't happen.
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: So yeah, no, it was. It was underwhelming. It was.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: It was underwhelming on that front right there.
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: And how do you feel about the three teams that
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: the only the three teams that didn't make a move.
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: Let's say, like the Rockets, what do you how do
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: you feel about them not making a move?
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: I think the Rockets not making a move is I honestly,
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know what to think from that point, because
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: you hope am and Thompson starts shooting ball better. Honestly,
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: coming from an Am and Thompson guy. If a'm and
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: Thompson goes maybe even ten percent better from three honestly,
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: like we would not even be discussing like, oh, the
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: Rockets should have made a move. It'd be like, Okay, you're
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: fine standing pat right here, because the Rockets are still
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: a good team. But may honestly, I think either the
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: Timberwolves or the Rockets should have traded for Iodasuma or
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: Kobe White and way Jones. Yeah, trade one of the
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: guards from the Bulls, Like like you were saying, I mean,
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: Chris Paul, he is gonna get waved from the Raptors
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: after he got traded, so maybe he goes back to Houston.
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: But again that fits not really that well. But let
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: me ask you about the Pistons. Pistons didn't make a
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: single move. They trade away Jaden Ivy, so they didn't
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: really acquire anybody's well I guess they.
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: I guess they just didn't count because they did make
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: technically make a trade. You know, they brought they got.
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: I mean they got Kevin Herder and Dario Sarvich.
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: So but like like a altering like because they're the ones, so.
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, we no, I get you. I I just
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: think for them, like they didn't really need to do much.
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: I think they know that the best team Jay and
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: Ivy really hasn't been producing, like I'll be let's be honest,
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: Like he hasn't really been doing nothing for them, So
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: I just think adding a guy like having Hurd her
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: another wing player though not as good as not that great,
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: but like he still adds another depth piece I think
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: for them, So I think that's really the move. And
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: then plus getting a first round protected swap from the Timberwolves,
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: so like it's a protected pick, but they get it anyways.
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: And then yeah, I just think they, oh in the
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: Heat didn't make a move either, Like I think the
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: Heat were really banking on a Giannest move or something big,
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: and they just didn't get the job done for me.
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: And I just feel like, I don't know the Heat
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: for me this year and don't look like the team
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: that's going to turn up in the playoffs this year.
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think if they could have trade away
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: Andrew Wiggins these other guys to get better first round
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: picks for the massive Giannis trade in the summer or
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: whatever star you want to go for, because Andrew Wiggins
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: is an expiring contract, so you could have gotten something
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: for him. You could have gotten some pieces for him
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: and maybe gotten like, okay, I have two extra first
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: round picker. Who knows how first round picks are evaluated
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: nowadays in the NBA, But you could have got more
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: assets alongside that. But I don't I don't really know
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: about the Miami Heat and all honesty, they're in the
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: same boat as the Bulls, Like it's the Bulls, Hawks
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: and the Heat. They're just all like buddies. They're the
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: eight to nine.
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: At the Spurs not making a move.
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, if you're the Spurs, you don't make a
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: move at all, Like you don't ruin anything that's there.
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: In my opinion, like.
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: I do think as a Spurs man, I would have
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: liked to see them move for like maybe a stretch
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: four or or a three and D wing, like I
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: think that would have been nice. They tried movie for Gerseeanilly,
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: but they didn't want to take the contract, so that
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: that was the thing. Like, but I mean, I would
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: have liked to see them move for like a guy
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: that can do that kind of Trading a Jamie Sohan
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: in another contract, like a Kelly oll In a contract
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: to get an expiring veteran that can really add to
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: the team would have been nice. But it's all right,
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just nitpicking, you know. That's the thing. Like,
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: I just would have liked to see up more of
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: a player that can assert himself in the rotation, you know,
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: so because Jamie Selling has yet to do that this year.
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: So I just think that it would have been nice.
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: But who cares the number two team in pretty.
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: Much the NBA, So I about say number two team
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: in basketball and and Dylan Harper is gonna get better,
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: Stefan Call is gonna get better, Wimby is gonna get better.
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, they're starting five. What they're starting five? Really
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: hasn't played a whole collective minutes together in a while, right,
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: something like that.
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: They've played one time their desires starting five was only
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: played one time together.
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: This season exactly. So it's like you can't even make
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: a trade when you haven't even seen your starting lineup
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: be out there. But well, all right, I think we
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: pretty much cover everything for this trade deadline right here.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: So Josh, any last word before we get out of here.
• 1:00:06
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• 1:00:08
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