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900 Days Without Anabel - The True Story of Anabel Segura · Murder Files Unsealed

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  Speaker 1: Okay, get this this deep dive. We're going into a
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  case that I mean, it's just unbelievable. We're talking to
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  the kidnapping of Annabelle's Sigura. Wow, so she goes for
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  a run, vanishes, and then get this, her family gets
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  ransom calls for over two years. No way, Yeah, Oh
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  my gosh. I can you imagine not knowing if your
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  loved one's dead or alive for that long?
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  Speaker 2: I can't even imagine. That's awful.
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  Speaker 1: So this happened back in nineteen ninety three, and we're
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  using the Netflix docusaries nine hundred days without Annabelle to
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  like guide us through this whole thing. Okay, yeah, but
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  the question is, how did the kidnappers manage to keep
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  this up for so long?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: And what led to such a tragic, tragic end.
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  Speaker 2: It's really it's just mind boggling when you think about it.
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  On the level of manipulation, the control they had over
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  the family, it's just chilling. I mean to even begin
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  to understand how they pulled it off, I think we
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  need to go like delve into the minds of the perpetrators. Okay,
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  these guys, Amilion Migno's Squatax and Candido or tease aon.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so who were these guys, right, what drove them
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  to kidnap Annabel in the first place?
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  Speaker 2: Well, they were actually childhood friends, oh wow, Yeah, and
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  they were facing some pretty serious financial struggles.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So think.
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  Speaker 2: Desperation, right, mixed with a serious lack of empathy. Dangerous
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  lack of empathy. They just they chose Annabel randomly.
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  Speaker 1: Really yeah, randomly, completely.
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  Speaker 2: Randomly, wow, viewing her as their ticket out of their
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  financial mess.
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  Speaker 1: Jeez.
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  Speaker 2: It's just a terrifying thought. Though. It's just a reminder
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  that sometimes victims are just in the wrong place at
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  the wrong time.
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  Speaker 1: It's unsettling. So walk me through, Like what happened that day?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was April twelfth, nineteen ninety three, just an
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  ordinary day in this wealthy Madrid suburb of Lamar A Lehaka,
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  and Annabel, twenty two years old from a well off family,
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  decides to go for a run and that's when it
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  all starts. That's when the nightmare begins.
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  Speaker 1: Oh gosh.
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  Speaker 2: So there's a gardener working nearby sees her being forced
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  into this white van and immediately calls the police.
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  Speaker 1: Though, but it was too late.
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  Speaker 2: It was too late. Yeah, by the time police arrived,
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  all they find her her belongings scattered on the ground,
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  her walkman, a T shirt, a hoodie.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's a clear sign of a struggle. But
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  at this point nobody knows, like the true horror of
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  what's happened.
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  Speaker 1: They have no idea. I can't even imagine the panic
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  for her family. Awful, just not knowing, the waiting.
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  Speaker 2: Just agonizing.
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  Speaker 1: It's got to be agonizing.
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  Speaker 2: And as the hours turn into days, the kidnappers they
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  make their first move. They reach out to the family. Well,
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  they chilling message, we have your daughter. If you want
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  to see her alive, you'll pay one hundred and fifty
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  million piseetas.
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  Speaker 1: One hundred and fifty million piseetas. That's what almost one
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  hundred thousand US dollars.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah about that.
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  Speaker 1: They were after a big payout. But why hold her
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  for so long?
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  Speaker 2: I know, that's what's so strange, right, Yeah, they could
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  have just taken the money and run, but they kept
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  her captive for for so long, oh, stringing the family
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  along with these some calls over the next two and
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  a half.
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  Speaker 1: Years, and all this time they had no idea what
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  happened to her.
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  Speaker 2: They had no idea.
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  Speaker 1: That's awful.
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  Speaker 2: And here's where it gets even more disturbing. Okay, the
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  docuseriies reveals this, this chilling detail from Leno is one
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  of the kidnappers. He admits that Annabelle she initially thought
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  they were going to assault her, but he told her, no,
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  don't worry. We're not that kind of guys. We are kidnapping.
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  We want money. Can you imagine the terror she must
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  have felt.
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  Speaker 1: It just sends chills down my spine. Awful to be
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  just so helpless at the mercy of these men, unimaginable.
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  Speaker 2: It's awful. And they actually drove around with her for
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  a while trying to decide what to do.
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  Speaker 1: Really.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they even took her to this abandoned brick factory,
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  oh god, desolate, terrifying setting. And this would become her
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  final destination. Oh no, I mean you have to wonder
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  why kill her so soon? They already had what they
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  needed for the ransom.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, that's the part that doesn't make sense.
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  Are they thinking?
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, from what we can piece together from
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  the docuseries and subsequent interviews, it seems like fear just
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  took over, they started panicking. They were arguing about what
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  to do next, and they realized that Annabel had seen
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  their faces. Yeah, so they convinced themselves that killing her
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  was the only way to protect themselves, to protect their plan.
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  Speaker 1: So just six hours after being kidd assed, they murdered her. Yeah.
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  That's I mean, that's a level of cruelty that's hard
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  to comprehend.
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  Speaker 2: It is. It truly is. And it's even more tragic
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  because for the next nine hundred days, her family clung
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  to the hope that she was still alive. And all
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  this time these men were orchestrating this, this cruel charade.
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  Speaker 1: So they just they started calling the family demanding money,
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  knowing she was dead.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. That's horrible. They made fourteen calls over those nine
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  hundred days. Oh my gosh, won a fresh wave of
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  agony for the family. You know. It wasn't just the
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  financial demands, it was the threats they would threaten to
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  harm Annabel if they're in stru auctions weren't followed precisely.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Like there's this one chilling message where they tell her father,
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  if you don't do as we say, or if we
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  find out you've warned the police, she's going to suffer.
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  Speaker 1: It's just beyond belief. Yeah, they were just they were
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  playing with this family's emotions in the most horrific way.
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  Speaker 2: They knew exactly what they were doing. They were preying
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  on their desperation, knowing the family would do anything to
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  get their daughter back. Yeah, and they did everything everything
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  they could. They borrowed money, re mortgaged their home, hired
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  private investigators. Gosh, I mean, they were willing to sacrifice everything.
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  Speaker 1: And the police, I mean they were trying to track
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  these guys down.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely, the police were working tirelessly, but Muno's
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  and orties were really cautious. I mean they used public phones,
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  constantly changing locations. Several attempts to exchange the ransom failed.
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  Really Yeah, the kidnappers would get spooked or they'd change
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  the plan at the last minute, oh wow, leaving the
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  family and the police just in a constant state of
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  agonizing uncertainty.
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  Speaker 1: So for almost three years they kept this up, leading
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  everyone on this wild goose chase. I know, this is unbelievable.
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  Speaker 2: It's unbelievable. It speaks to their cold hearted calculation and unfortunately,
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  their effectiveness. But then about three months into this ordeal,
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  something unexpected happens. Oh, Annabel's family receives a tape, a tape,
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  a tape, a woman's voice pleading to come home, and
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  so they believe it's Annabell, a sign that she's alive.
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  But the truth is far more sinister.
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  Speaker 1: What do you mean, who was it?
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't Annabelle at all. It was Munoz's wife, Felisa
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  no impersonating her.
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  Speaker 1: Whow.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so they had cooked up this elaborate plan, right,
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  this ruse to keep the family engaged in the ransom negotiations.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: They wanted to prove that she was still alive even
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  though they knew she wasn't they.
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  Speaker 1: Really thought of everything. I mean, to use his own
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  wife like that to manipulate Annabelle's family so cruelly. It's
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  just monstrous.
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  Speaker 2: It is monstrous.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm guessing they're luck didn't last forever, right.
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  Speaker 2: You're right about that. This deception it ultimately became their downfall.
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  Speaker 1: We also so well.
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  Speaker 2: The police. They recognize how important this tape was, and
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  they released it to the public, hoping that someone might
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  recognize the voices. Wow, and that's exactly what happens.
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  Speaker 1: Someone recognized a voice Yeah, that's crazy. Like sometimes you
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  hear about these cases being cracked by the smallest details.
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  Speaker 2: I know, right, it's wild.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So this viewers watching the news right and recognizes Candido
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  Ortis's voice. Oh wow, immediately calls the police.
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  Speaker 1: Jeez.
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  Speaker 2: Remarkable how one tiny piece of information can unravel a
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  whole web of deception like that. Yeah, that one phone
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  call changed everything.
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  Speaker 1: It did. It led them straight towards tease.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: And on September twenty eighth, nineteen ninety five, after more
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  than two years, he was finally apprehended.
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  Speaker 2: It must have been a huge relief for Annabel's family,
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  for the investigators, everyone who'd been working so hard on
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  the case.
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  Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, I mean, can you imagine finally a break
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  in the case. Yeah, but this story doesn't have a
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  happy ending.
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  Speaker 2: Oh no, what happened?
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  Speaker 1: Well Ortiz he confessed.
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  Speaker 2: To being involved, but he refused to say where Annabel's
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  body was buried.
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  Speaker 1: Oh so, even after they caught him, the torment continued.
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  Speaker 2: Sadly, Yeah, it wasn't until two days later, after a
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  lot of questioning, that they finally found Annabel's remains.
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  Speaker 1: Where were they at.
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  Speaker 2: That abandoned brick factory in New Moncia de la Saga. Oh,
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  my god, same place where she was murdered.
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  Speaker 1: It's just the heartbreak for her family to learn that
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  she had been she'd been dead this whole time while
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  they were trying to bring her home.
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  Speaker 2: It's unimaginable, unimagined. And to think they were led to
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  believe with that fake tape that she was still alive.
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  It's just the cruelty is unbelievable.
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  Speaker 1: So what happened to mugno'sen Ortiz? Did they face justice?
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  Speaker 2: They did. They were both sentenced to thirty nine years
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  in prison, and that was later increased to forty three years.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, why was it increased.
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  Speaker 2: Well, because of the aggravating circumstances of their crimes. What
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  do you mean, you know, the treachery, the illegal detention,
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  the attempted fraud. It was all taken into consideration.
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  Speaker 1: So at least they were held accountable for what they did.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's not always that simple. Like a lot
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  of cases, there's a complexity that makes it hard to
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  say what true justice really is. So in two thousand
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  and nine, Ortiz died in prison from a heart attack,
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  but Munos Muno's fate was different.
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  Speaker 1: Oh really, how so.
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  Speaker 2: Well, because of changes in Spanish sentencing laws, he was
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  released in twenty thirteen.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, so he got out after serving what less than
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  half his sentence?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, only eighteen years of the forty three.
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  Speaker 1: How is that even possible.
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  Speaker 2: It's a tough reality. It's you know, it's the justice system.
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  Sometimes legal loopholes or changes in legislation can lead to
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  outcomes that well just don't feel right, especially for the
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  victims and their family. I bet, I bet it can
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  feel like a betrayal.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I can see that. So what about Muno's after
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  he got out, did he show any remorse for what happened?
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  Speaker 2: He did give some interviews where he claimed to be remorseful.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay.
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  Speaker 2: He even said he would give ten years of his
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  life to undo what happened. Really, Yeah, but there's just
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  this detachment in his words, you know. Yeah, it's hard
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  to believe he was being sincere. He also refused therapy.
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  Really why he said he believed people are inherently good
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  or bad?
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  Speaker 1: Wow?
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  Speaker 2: Almost like he was faded to be bad and it
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  wasn't really his fault.
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  Speaker 1: It's hard to reconcile those statements with the level of
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  cruelty he inflicted on Annabelle and her family.
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  Speaker 2: I know, right, It's something we see in these kinds
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  of cases, a lot wanting to understand why someone would
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  do such a thing, but sometimes there are just no answers.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a reminder that even when the legal system
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  delivers a verdict, the emotional and psychological fallout from these
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  crimes he can last a lifetime. What about about how
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  she remembered?
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  Speaker 2: Well, her death led to some positive changes. Oh, how
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  so they named a civic center in Madrid after her.
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  Oh wow, it's meant to be a symbol of hope
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  and community. And there's a bust of her outside the building.
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  Speaker 1: That's nice. It's a small consolation, but it's still important.
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  It's important to remember her and what happened. This case
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  really makes you think it does. Yeah, it really left
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  its mark on.
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  Speaker 2: Spain, absolutely, this case. It sent shock waves through the country,
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  and it went unded for so long. It just intensified
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  the fear and uncertainty for everyone.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we're talking about events that happened over thirty
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  years ago. I know it's crazy, but it feels so
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  relevant even today.
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  Speaker 2: It does, and I think it speaks to the larger
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  societal impact of unsolved crimes how so well. They erode
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  trust in law enforcement. Yeah, they leave communities feeling vulnerable,
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  and it can even have an impact on the economy. Really,
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  people can get wary of investing or even living in
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  areas that they think aren't safe.
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  Speaker 1: Makes sense, And in this case, it wasn't just that
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  it was unsolved for so long, but the perpetrators were
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  so good at manipulating the system.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they knew how to work it.
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  Speaker 1: That raises some serious questions, it does.
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  Speaker 2: It makes us think about the balance between rehabilitation and punishment. Ye, Like,
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  is it even possible to reform someone who can be
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  so cruel and calculated? Yeah, it makes you wonder are
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  some people just wired differently? We may never know the
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  answer to that.
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  Speaker 1: It's easy to get caught up in the details of
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  the investigation, the twists and turns. I know it's fascinating,
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  but we can't forget that at the heart of it
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  all is a young woman whose life was tragically cut short, right,
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  and a family that's forever changed about this.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and left with so many unanswered questions.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, this deep dive has been incredibly insightful, but also
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  incredibly heavy.
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  Speaker 2: It is a heavy case.
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  Speaker 1: What stands out to you is the most significant takeaway
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  from all of this.
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  Speaker 2: For me, it's the lasting impact of trauma, not just
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  on Annabel's family, on the whole community. Yeah, the fear,
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  the uncertain the feeling of violation. These things they don't
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  just go away.
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  Speaker 1: That's a really good point, and it just it makes
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  it even more important to have support systems for victims
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  of crime and their families.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, they need resources, they need understanding to help them heal.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a long process, it is. It also highlights
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  the role of the media in these cases, Oh yeah,
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  big time. The way they present the information, the stories
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  they tell.
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  Speaker 2: It shapes how people understand and respond to crime, for.
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  Speaker 1: Sure, And in this case, the media coverage really helped
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  bring the perpetrators to justice.
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  Speaker 2: It did.
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  Speaker 1: This case is a reminder that even in the safest places,
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  tragedy can happen.
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  Speaker 2: It's true.
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  Speaker 1: It challenges our assumptions about security and forces us to
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  confront the darker side of human nature.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a case that stays with you. It does
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  makes you wonder if anything could have been done to
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  prevent it. Yeah, what could we do to protect people
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  from becoming victims of these horrible crimes.
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  Speaker 1: Those are questions worth thinking about. They are, and if
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  you want to explore this case further, I definitely recommend
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  checking out the Netflix docuseriies Nine hundred Days Without Annabelle.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really well done, gives.
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  Speaker 1: A really nuanced and compelling look at everything.
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  Speaker 2: Definitely worth watching.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's crazy to think that a case like this,
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  it happened so long ago, like over thirty years ago,
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  can still feel so relevant today.
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  Speaker 2: It really does, and I think that speaks to just
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  how universal these themes are, you know, loss, grief, justice,
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  right and just trying to find meaning when faced with
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  something so tragic. Animel story, it really transcends time in place.
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  Speaker 1: It does.
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  Speaker 2: It resonates with anyone who's ever you know, dealt with
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  just just the complexities of life, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the human experience exactly. It's like a reminder that
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  even in like you know, safe and affluent communities, darkness
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  can still exist, like evil can find a way in. Yeah,
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  this case it really shook Spain to its core.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely it did. I mean the fact that it went
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  unsolved for so long, the uncertainty, the fear that gripped
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  the nation. I mean, it really eroded trust in law enforcement,
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  and it left people feeling really vulnerable. And you know,
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  crimes like this, especially when they involve someone so high profile,
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  they often triggered this, like this wave of social introspection.
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  People start questioning their own safety, the security of their
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  own communities.
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  Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, yeah. You can imagine like parents, they start
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  becoming even more protective. Yeah, you know, right, and neighbors
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  might start getting suspicious of each other exact, and just
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  just that overall feeling of safety. It starts to fray
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  just from that fear.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, and that fear it can have real world consequences
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  how so well, people might not want to invest in businesses,
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  makes sense, property values could go down, tourism suffers all
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  because of that that lingering unease, you know, that feeling
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  that something's not.
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  Speaker 1: Quite right, the perception of danger.
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  Speaker 2: Right. It's a reminder that crime doesn't just affect the
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  victims directly. It can have these like ripple effects throughout
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  the economy and society as a whole.
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  Speaker 1: It's far reaching, and I think in this case, the
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  fear was even worse because the perpetrators were so good
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  at manipulating everyone.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they were masters of deception. It wasn't just
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  about the crime itself, it was the way they played
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  with people's minds. They preyed on the family's desperation, leading
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  them on this wild goose chase, and all the while
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  knowing that Annabelle was already gone.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so messed up.
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  Speaker 2: It's really a level of cruelty that's hard to wrap
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  your head around, it is. And you know what, it
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  went beyond just the immediate family too. They terrorized a
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  whole nation, really kept Spain and this grip of fear
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  and uncertainty for over two years.
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  Speaker 1: This is no wonder this case has stayed with people
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  for so long.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely. I mean, it's like a collective trauma that's become
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  part of the national consciousness. And even though the perpetrators
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  were caught and convicted, scars of that experience they run deep.
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  It serves as this constant reminder that even the safest,
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  the most seemingly secure societies, they're still vulnerable.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a that's a sobering thought for sure.
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  Speaker 2: It reminds us that evil can flourish anywhere. Really, Yeah,
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  and that being vigilant, you know, that commitment to justice,
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  those are the things that help protect us against it.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, But I mean in all this darkness, there's also, like,
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  you know, there's this light that shines through too.
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  Speaker 2: That's true.
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  Speaker 1: Like the way Annibal's family, her friends, even complete strangers,
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  they rally together to find justice, to offer support, to
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  keep her memory alive.
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  Speaker 2: It's pretty remarkable, isn't it.
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  Speaker 1: It is.
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  Speaker 2: It speaks volumes about the human spirit, that strength, that
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  ability to find love and compassion even when facing such
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  horrible loss and pain.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And while I'm sure the line of her
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  loss is still there, of course, her legacy lives on absolutely,
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  not just in the people who knew her, but in like,
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  you know, tangible ways that the community has honored her.
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  Speaker 2: That's right. You're talking to the civic center that was
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  named after her.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, dedicated to you know, fostering community and hope.
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  Speaker 2: It's a beautiful tribute. It shows how determined people were
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  to create something positive out of such a horrible tragedy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's a powerful reminder that even in the darkest
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  of times, there can still be light, and that even
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  the worst events can inspire people to be kind, to
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  be compassionate, and to you know, really work towards building
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  a better world.
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  Speaker 2: It gives you hope.
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  Speaker 1: It does this whole deep dive. It's been such a
• 18:38
  roller coaster. It's shocking, it's heartbreaking, but also, you know,
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  strangely hopeful in a way. It is what would you
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  say is the most like the biggest lesson you've taken
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  away from this whole case.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's the importance of remembering our shared humanity.
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  You know, when you're faced with something so evil, it's
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  easy to become cynical, to lose faith in people. But
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  this case, even with all the darkness, it shows as
• 19:03
  how incredible people can be. I love the empathy, the resilience.
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  It's a reminder that even when things are really tough,
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  we can choose hope. Yeah, we can support each other,
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  and we can work together to try and prevent these
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  kinds of tragedies from happening again.
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  Speaker 1: Beautifully said. Yeah, and if you want to learn more
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  about this case, I definitely recommend watching the Netflix docuseries
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  Nine hundred Days Without Annabel.
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  Speaker 2: It's really well made and it'll definitely make you think.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. It really goes into depth, it does, exploring the investigation,
• 19:33
  the impact on Annabel's family and all the questions that
• 19:36
  this case still raises.
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  Speaker 2: It's a story that'll stick with you. It will, and
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  it really makes you think about human nature, the importance
• 19:42
  of community, and the power of hope.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us for this deep dive.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been a pleasure.
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  Speaker 1: We hope that this conversation is, you know, spark some
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  important thoughts and inspired you to even in the darkest
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  of times, look for those glimmers of light. Absolutely and
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  remember there's always hope, always