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#14 - Chris & Mike · The Chris and Mike Show

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  You started the music just fine, Mr. Michaels, because it's all
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  about the rock'n'roll, so the ah holy holy smokes.
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  That's when I still call myself Christopho.
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  Meet one of Arizona's best kept secrets as they take the local
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  rock scene by musical storm. Their rhythmic blend of
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  original, melodic Hard Rock exudes with energetic
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  aggressiveness. They perform rock the way it was
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  meant to be entertaining. You can catch the band's
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  performance and generous audience interaction giveaways
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  at the Mason Jar twice monthly with future gigs pending.
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  Nemesis was formed in September 93 under the name of Desperate
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  Angel, with two original members remaining, Scott Connor, the
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  drummer, and Mike Michaels. Christopher Dunham joined in
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  March of 96. William Richard Carr the third,
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  was added in August 96th. Since November 96th, the band
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  has performed with Tony Mcalpine's Sacred Reich Twice.
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  Enough, Enough, and Catfish. Dude, that's pretty fucking
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  cool, man. I wonder if that number still
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  works. 943-1935. That was mine, wasn't it?
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  That was before the 480 and 602 Nonsense, man.
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  That was just like you had 7 digits.
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  That was it. And that was not a cell phone,
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  ladies and gentlemen. That was my answering machine.
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  So what he read there was what those?
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  Include Yeah, Yeah. Oh yeah.
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  Oh, I was just kind of sorry. So what he's reading there is
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  what the club. Oh yeah, no, I I I I interrupted
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  you. Yeah.
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  No, it's all good. It's all good.
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  Oh. I was just going.
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  On I'll let you read on, but he's basically reading a bio
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  that we. No, no, no.
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  To get better gigs. So back in those days, you
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  couldn't get on the club's website and submit your music.
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  You actually had to go there in person and drop off ACD or a
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  cassette. We usually had CDs in those
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  days, but so you left them ACD and you left them a bio.
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  And the better your bio got, the better the gigs got.
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  So at this point we had open for what, three national acts or
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  four national acts on that particular bio.
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  So we were getting a lot better gigs, bigger places with bigger
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  audiences, and you were reading our influences.
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  Who were our influences at that moment in time?
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  I don't. Remember some Some of the bands,
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  It's OK. Some of the band's musical
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  influences are Candlebox, Metallica, Led Zeppelin, The
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  Doors and Van Halen. And the The Irony of that, we
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  met at Candlebox, which is obviously I I injected The Doors
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  in that, you know and and you. You Scott.
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  Yeah, you and Scott with Metallica and Zeppelin.
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  We all liked Van Halen. Yeah, Scott and I used Metallica
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  before, like we find incessantly.
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  We were a little obsessed back then.
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  I got to find my. I got to find my bag man.
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  I have a bag of everything. I keep meaning to look for it
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  and I just I haven't. So that's where this.
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  Came from. It's around somewhere though.
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  It's got all the all the things. Same thing.
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  I got a ton of Manila folders. Apparently I was organized back
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  then. And there's all these Flyers, so
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  I'm trying to organize them by date.
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  And as they come up, I'll post them on Facebook and Instagram,
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  right? Seem like people enjoyed that
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  so. We'll keep doing it, yeah.
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  Yeah, I enjoyed that. I enjoyed reading that.
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  It was fun. I did too.
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  I found that right before you logged on, I was just leafing
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  through there to see what else was in that folder and that was
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  the last thing in the folder. Was that bio?
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  Right on. We weren't a secret for too
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  long. We were not a secret for too
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  long, and damn, we were on top of things.
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  Yeah, yeah. Especially in a day and age
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  where there was no, there was no Internet, you know?
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  No, it did. It existed, but it did not exist
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  in a form that was usable right to the consumer.
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  No. Yeah.
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  Not like it is. Yeah.
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  Not like it is now. No.
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  No way. No way.
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  It was that fun little dial up. We are.
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  And then you wouldn't get in. You're like fuck.
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  Or somebody would pick up the phone.
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  Oh, the right, right. Get somebody out of.
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  Here. Yeah, somebody hang.
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  The phone up. Hang the phone up.
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  Oh. Shit, you know, I'm
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  disconnected. And everybody had to share one
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  Internet, you know, you couldn't have multiple people on at the
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  same time. Not till DSL came along.
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  Nope. Nope.
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  So I was thinking about that the other day when I was in college.
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  I had a roommate. And someday I'll tell the
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  roommate story because that's a whole story unto itself.
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  I had one roommate that was cool as hell.
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  OK, I was going to say. He was the one that I went out
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  and smoked weed with and the other roommate, I'm pretty sure
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  potentially could have been a serial killer.
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  But he had a computer at that time and he was connected to the
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  Internet and he showed me Amazon.com in 1992 maybe.
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  And all it was was text. It was hypertext links.
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  There were no pictures. It took fucking forever to load.
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  Wow. But if you knew what you were
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  looking for in 1992, you could buy it from Amazon back then.
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  Yeah, so Jeff Bezos was so far ahead of his time, it's crazy.
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  Yeah. Yeah 'cause I ordered some shit,
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  you know? He showed me enough to be able
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  to order. So I've been ordering stuff from
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  Amazon since 1992. I just remembered that story the
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  other day when I was thinking about this crazy roommate I had.
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  Right on, man. So what do you want to talk
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  about today, Mr. Michaels? We can go in whatever direction
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  you want, man. We can we can talk about my
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  name. It's the guy in shades and and
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  saras NI UG ETT. And that part means you.
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  Know what that means? Right.
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  It's it's the guy in shades backwards.
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  See it. It's the guy in shades
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  backwards. See for my my alter ego and.
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  For our listening audience. In another universe my name is
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  maned, maned, Cirque. He changes his name.
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  We're, we're, we're we're lapsing over today.
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  Every time. Yeah, yeah, every time.
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  Yeah. We're we're crossing we're
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  crossing waves today for some reason.
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  Is there? No, I don't know if there's a
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  delay or not. When you're usually good about.
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  I don't know. There's usually not.
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  Usually we don't talk over each other as of late, but it seems
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  like we've done it a few times. Oh, today, today, today, today,
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  today. Is there an EEEEE Let me know.
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  Let me know. Let me know if there's an echo
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  on your. So I'm frozen.
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  I'll pose you a question. Are you frozen?
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  All right, I'll give you an answer.
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  No, I'm not a question, you know, so not frozen.
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  OK, this is not this is not necessarily the happiest topic
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  in the world, but I heard this the other day from somebody that
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  I thought I respected and just in passing conversation as a
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  parent, which I'm not, This person said if my son or
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  daughter came to me and told me that they were gay, I would
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  disown them. Yep.
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  And it stopped me dead in my tracks.
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  I wasn't even a part of the conversation.
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  I just overheard this and I was like, holy shit, I don't know.
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  Yeah, that's harsh. Because how being a parent, I
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  don't care. I could care lots.
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  It's, it's. That's what I'm saying.
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  How could you love somebody less because of their sexual
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  orientation when they came out of their body?
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  Or you were responsible for making them in any way, shape or
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  form. Agreed.
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  I don't. I don't know.
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  Like I always, I always had the the thought in my head with with
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  my daughter, I could care. And I've said I've said this out
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  loud many times. I could care less if she was a
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  high priestess of a Wiccan cult clan with 27 tattoos and 18 body
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  piercings. As long as she could look me in
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  the face and say she's happy like it's the end of the day.
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  Speaking for myself anyway, I just, I just want my offspring
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  to be happy regardless of where they're at in life and what
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  they've gone through. At the end of the day, if
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  they're happy, that's all that matters.
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  And then you know life is what life is and there's struggles
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  with everything. There's ups and downs and and
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  anybody that that says there's not.
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  It's just fucking lying. Nikki has someone, she knows
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  that on Facebook everything was just roses.
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  Like everything. Every week was love.
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  You love this, love that. This couple, you know, it's like
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  you look at them outside looking and you're thinking holy shit,
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  you know these these two got it figured out, man.
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  They're, you know, never bicker, never argue.
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  They're happy. That's always, you know, smiles
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  and you know just the definition in the Dictionary of of of
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  happily married or married. What is it?
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  Married. Happily married?
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  Well, no, happily ever after. Married.
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  Happily ever after. Fuck, these people are the
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  epitome. Then all of a sudden one week
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  goes by and nothing's posted, and then another week goes by
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  and then all of a sudden, you know, separating because life
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  sucks. He's an asshole.
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  She's a bitch. The whole world came crumbling
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  down and finger pointing this, this, this, and it's like, OK,
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  well instead of living in a fairy tale, like we've said it
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  before, but you be real, be relevant, be raw, you know, I
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  don't care. I don't care less if either one
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  of my kids came out, said, hey, I'm gay, OK, that's cool, be
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  safe. Don't do anything stupid.
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  You know, I don't, it doesn't matter.
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  It's not a reflection on who I am.
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  It's not a reflection on the parents at all.
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  And that may be where that person was going with that
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  because yeah I know and it doesn't to me but we're but but
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  that's a minor that's that's a very small scale I think on a on
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  a global world population. I don't think that's too much.
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  To affect somebody to an open mindedness, I don't either.
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  I don't either But. You're you're literally their
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  parent. It's still one of those things,
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  man. We're whittling it all the way
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  down to who are their parent. This is not just any random
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  person. You're their fucking parent.
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  I would disown them on fucking. It's 2024, man.
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  I don't get that. I didn't understand it in 19. 84
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  That's crazy. As an 11.
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  Year old kid. And I know people now, right?
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  No, no. And I know people now that I
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  knew in high school, right? Well that's the thing.
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  Nothing makes them different because I like, like I I I like
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  legitimately know people now still that I knew in high school
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  and in high school you knew they were gay.
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  But it it wasn't, it wasn't, it wasn't it was obvious but it
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  wasn't discussed because of the hatred and the and the and the
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  bigotry and you know like we have a kid that got his ass ass
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  beat. That's the wrong way to say it.
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  We had a kid that was jumped at a party in in the Valley close
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  to where I live, and he was beaten to death by four or five
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  kids. You're never going to know why
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  they beat him to death, and I'm not making any, any windows
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  about why they beat him to death is a group called the Gilbert
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  Goons that are finally being tracked down and arrested and
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  charged and shit. But he was a teenager and these
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  were all teenagers. A couple of them were over 18,
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  but on a whole, it was a group of teenagers, you know, pouncing
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  on a kid that was in a weak, vulnerable state, whatever that
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  was, and beat him to death. And you'll never know why
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  because nobody was there except the kid that was was beaten to
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  death. And the kids that were doing the
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  beating, well, the beating that was administered, They're not
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  going to stand up and say This is why we beat him.
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  You know, they're not going to admit to anything because now
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  they're all lawyered up. But that shit's not going away
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  and it's and it's just going to get more and more.
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  It's going to get more and more prevalent as as we continue our
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  lives because and this isn't a slam on parenting, but like when
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  we were growing up, you could have a one parent stay home by
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  one parent worked. You can't have that anymore.
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  You know it. It's it's financially it's
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  impossible. So, you know, when we were
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  latchkey kids, you know, nowadays you'd get a the parent
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  would be arrested for child neglect and all that kind of
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  shit because they're gone from 6:00 AM to 6:00 PM and the kids
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  fending for themselves. You know, going to school,
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  coming home from school, making them dinner and shit.
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  Yeah, you can't do that anymore. And I just.
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  I just don't see. No, but they but they do.
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  They just don't advertise it. But I just like today.
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  I was right. I was coming back from dropping
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  little man off this morning and it just one of those weird
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  little moments in your head where there's a there's a little
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  girl walking she's got a little backpack.
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  She can't be you know 6-7 years old.
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  You know, it's hard to tell how how kids are, you know, any more
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  days, but she's got a little water bottle on her hand
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  backpack and she's turning the corner and I'm like, I look
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  back, I'm like, what the fuck the parents like Grant.
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  She's in a neighborhood. She's she's, you know, quarter
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  mile from the school. But.
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  But she's walking that sidewalk along.
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  There's no right. There's no fucking way I would.
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  That's what I'm saying. There's no way I'd let Little
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  man walk. I mean, I've right.
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  I mean if if I could have eyes on him from point A to point B
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  and he wanted to be independent, you know, I want to walk the
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  school, OK. I'm.
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  I'm watching him the whole time you know when he gets to the
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  100%. But this little girl, man, there
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  was, there was, there's nobody that came around that corner
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  just her. And there was a school and I was
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  just like and it just it struck me as like wow, that's messed
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  up. Like, if anybody, anybody.
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  You know, we had when we were growing up.
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  It was the van the Chester the molester thing, remember And and
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  you never go to the panel. They ever get offered candy and
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  shit like, right. Exactly.
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  You know, and you're a Kidman you you that was drilled into
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  your head like don't talk to strangers.
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  You know none of that shit. It just it would take nothing
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  for somebody to slowly roll up and just grab that kit and be
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  done and and that's the scary thing.
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  That shit happens all the time. More than people realize.
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  Because they don't. They don't.
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  They don't share it with the world.
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  Like they don't share these these kids getting beat up and
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  and shit with the world until something tragically has to
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  happen. Something something monumental
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  has to happen. This this kid, Preston got it,
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  got this just beat to death and all of a sudden it's news.
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  But it's been going on forever because this group, the Gilbert
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  goons, they've been around forever.
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  It's not like they just started when they jumped this kid and.
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  How long ago did this happen? People just need to, yeah,
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  within the last six months. Oh, OK, this is super recent.
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  Yeah, yeah, it's, you know, maybe even sooner, maybe even
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  shorter time frame. I don't watch the news, so I
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  just pick it up on Instagram with Arizona.
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  Family has a little thread they drop little snippets and but I
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  literally have not sat down and watched some newscast since 2007
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  start to finish. Every now and then I'll watch
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  the weather. Correct.
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  But I just don't, you know? But that goes back to what we
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  were kind of talking about, the way the world's evolved.
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  It's not evolving for the better.
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  Because even even now, kids that come out to your parents, like
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  they said, the parents disown them.
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  Then what? Then they're homeless and
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  they're on the streets. And then they're doing what
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  they're they're turning into selling their bodies to be able
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  to put a roof over their head. And it's just, it's a slippery
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  slope, man. Well, love is love.
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  It's not. If it comes out of your body
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  with you and it's something. Yeah, go ahead.
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  I'll agree with you, and I'll disagree with you.
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  So I agree with you that the illusion that at least for
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  whatever demented reason, the government and the media would
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  like you to believe that things are getting worse.
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  But at least in a little tiny way, if I can change, there's
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  hope for everybody. Because I ended up being the
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  most negative son of a bitch there ever was before I flipped
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  a switch and did a 180 and decided that, you know, that was
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  going to kill me thinking that way.
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  You know, I just, I have hope that anybody that goes through
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  the darkest period of their life like we did, where you know,
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  death was an option on many occasions, more than more than
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  we could count and more than most people have ever thought
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  about. If you can come out of that and
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  end up being the people that we are sitting here trying to plead
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  with the rest of the world, that love is the answer.
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  It's the hardest, easiest thing that you'll ever do, but by far
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  the most rewarding. Because as soon as I changed my
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  mindset and started being kind to people I didn't even know,
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  that's what changed my life. It wasn't being kind to the
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  people that already knew me. That was easy.
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  But to start being kind to the lady at the grocery store,
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  that's only got two things that I was a Dick before.
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  And I'm like, I'm here first, you know, And I'm like, you go
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  right ahead. You know, she's 80 years old.
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  Thank. You very much.
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  What a kind young man that changed her day.
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  You know, Those are the kind of moments that I'm looking for
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  every day. I love those moments.
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  Agreed. Those are good moments.
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  Being so, making somebody smile for lack of Yeah, just.
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  For no reason at all, right? Just to leave them better than
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  you found them, you know. Yeah, and it could change.
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  They could change the path of their day just by opening
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  somebody's door for them and holding it open, you know?
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  I encounter way more good people than I do bad people, so is it
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  really getting worse? Or is it the illusion that we're
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  being spoon fed because they only tell you the bad?
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  Thing Well and again, I don't watch the news.
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  Yeah, right, right. So even not watching.
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  I watch this I You'll be proud of me.
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  I watch this snippet from right. You'll but you'll be proud of
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  me. I watch the snippet of Joe Rogan
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  and and he was talking about how the media shares the same thing
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  across the country and they had little snippets of different
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  newscasts and all the reporters were essentially saying the same
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  thing across the board. That's where I heard it at the
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  first time. There was no real variance aside
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  from. Oh, right, yeah, yeah.
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  So there. Wasn't really sent me to.
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  YouTube variance except the delivery.
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  Yeah, right. And it gets up to like 600 of
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  them, right? Independent local newscasts.
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  It starts with one, then they double it.
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  Yeah, it gets up to like 600. And they're all saying the same
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  thing. Yeah, and it's sad.
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  The media controls the world now, which it shouldn't.
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  But it's it's it's it's true, unfortunately.
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  And it's entertainment they don't have to tell.
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  The passion on the Yeah, no. So that makes it propaganda.
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  Which makes it sound like what? Yep.
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  You live in the illusion of a democracy.
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  That's why I make fun of the whole presidential process.
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  It doesn't fucking matter if we can't get to the point in a
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  conversation no where we can agree that it doesn't matter
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  who's sitting in that chair. We're never going to agree on
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  anything because it really doesn't fucking matter.
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  This country was bought and paid for probably 30 years ago.
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  As soon as lobbyists came into the picture, it was all over.
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  Because those senators and those congressmen are going to do
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  whatever they need to to keep that donation coming back in, to
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  keep the re election campaign, to stay in that office, to not
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  have to do anything other than suck on the American taxpayer,
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  right? Yep, the system just needs to
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  change. It does.
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  It does so. We need to get some positive
• 22:39
  people in there and I am proud of you for listening to a
• 22:42
  snippet of the Joe Rogan Podcast.
• 22:46
  Yeah, yeah. It's fun, man.
• 22:50
  He makes me laugh. I'm hearing something.
• 22:54
  That's a bird. I thought I heard little man.
• 22:56
  That's a bird. Yeah, he is funny.
• 22:59
  I I remember Joe Rogan from News Radio, man, you know where he
• 23:02
  was the, the maintenance guy. When he had hair.
• 23:05
  You know, stupid little bits. Uh, huh, Stupid little.
• 23:09
  You know, just walk on the scene and some, you know, yeah, he was
• 23:16
  funny. And then the fact that he's
• 23:17
  evolved from that to the UFC dude and now he's, you know,
• 23:21
  it's amazing what people can do when they have a door open for
• 23:23
  them and they just go charging forward, you know?
• 23:28
  And that whole thing for him was just a complete accident.
• 23:32
  It was something he wanted to do.
• 23:33
  He thought he could do it. It started off just as a kind of
• 23:38
  a joke. And the next thing you know,
• 23:40
  there were 1000 people listening and there was 10,000.
• 23:43
  Now he's got like, I don't know, 12.5 million downloads a month
• 23:47
  or something. He out.
• 23:49
  He outperforms every major news organization like 12:50, maybe
• 23:55
  100 to 1. That's insane and that I think
• 23:59
  that's that could be said with yeah I think more and more
• 24:04
  people are are getting off of mainstream media to try and find
• 24:09
  what's going on in the world today.
• 24:10
  It's like, I'd love to dive into the dark web, but I'm afraid to
• 24:14
  go into the dark web. Because once you go in the dark
• 24:16
  web, I, you know, I have this, I have this this thing in my head
• 24:20
  that once you open that box and like you're exposed and they can
• 24:24
  everybody can track you and get your information and all of a
• 24:28
  sudden you're, you know, 27 different credit cards and fraud
• 24:32
  all over the world. But I think the Dark would be
• 24:34
  really cool to kind of go into for a few hours just to kind of
• 24:38
  Snoop around it as a as a voyeur and just see all the like the
• 24:43
  the rawness of life that you know could be bustling in there,
• 24:49
  you know? I don't know if that's the right
• 24:50
  phrase. So the.
• 24:53
  Right term, you know. I would like to see somebody
• 24:59
  that knows the dark web in action, as well as you and I can
• 25:04
  perform in a Rock Band like a pro level.
• 25:11
  Yeah, that would. Be cool.
• 25:12
  You know, I want to see it really work, is what I'm saying.
• 25:16
  Like a true master, one of them fuckers that's sitting there
• 25:19
  typing like 200 words a minute. You know, just writing lines of
• 25:24
  code like it's there's no tomorrow.
• 25:29
  Yeah, they're out there too, you know.
• 25:33
  But there's a lot of stuff on there you don't want to see
• 25:35
  because that's where people are bought and sold, you know?
• 25:38
  Agreed. Yeah.
• 25:40
  Oh yeah, yeah. There's that's the darkness of
• 25:42
  it. I'm not talking about that dark
• 25:43
  side of it. Just, you know, the unfiltered
• 25:49
  reality of the world. You know, kind of like you know
• 25:51
  dystopian society living underneath the the streets, you
• 25:54
  know, there's a whole underground world, you know, but
• 25:59
  it's online. So what do you want to talk
• 26:01
  about today? It's dark for a minute there, I.
• 26:05
  Think we're doing it? OK, we're talking.
• 26:11
  Talking about darkness, that's what we do sometimes it,
• 26:15
  sometimes it takes a turn it. Is that's all good.
• 26:19
  It'd be interesting to see what people, if if people chime into
• 26:22
  this and how they would react if they're their child came out of
• 26:26
  the closet and said, hey, I'm, I'm not this, I'm that, you
• 26:29
  know, I don't have a problem with the, you know, the gay,
• 26:36
  lesbian thing at all. I think, I think the trans part
• 26:38
  of it could be a little bit weird because you have to look
• 26:41
  back to me. Something somewhere along the
• 26:45
  lines of their their upbringing had to have messed with them, to
• 26:50
  not identify with who they are and how they, how they were born
• 26:53
  and they, you know. It's that part I don't
• 26:56
  completely understand. I'm not bashing it.
• 26:57
  I just don't understand that part of it.
• 27:00
  So I would say, you know, on that, I would say on that level
• 27:04
  I would just make, yeah, I would just make sure that that person
• 27:07
  is OK. You know, if they're my kid,
• 27:10
  make sure that they're mentally OK Yeah.
• 27:12
  If they if they seem like the exact same person, only they're
• 27:16
  going to be that way, I'm definitely not going to
• 27:19
  understand it because, you know, I would have been that way if I
• 27:22
  understood it is the way I always look at it.
• 27:24
  I don't get it, but I can accept it on the same level.
• 27:27
  I can accept a lot of things that don't affect my life.
• 27:31
  You just got to say to yourself, does this affect me?
• 27:33
  And as long as that person is mentally OK, in that case, I
• 27:37
  would make sure they were mentally OK.
• 27:38
  I guess that's. Where I'm going, that's a good
• 27:41
  yeah. Yeah, because you're right.
• 27:43
  That's a good way to look at that.
• 27:44
  Weird, you know? Yeah.
• 27:47
  And it's not and I'm again, not bashing it at all it it's just,
• 27:51
  you know gay straight by those are those 3 little things.
• 27:54
  And and I just you know when somebody goes to the to the to
• 27:59
  the point to where they're they're having surgery to to
• 28:03
  remove an appendage or to create genitalia.
• 28:07
  I think somewhere along the lines they were just
• 28:11
  monumentally screwed within the head somewhere.
• 28:13
  I mean I could be completely wrong right or abused but I just
• 28:17
  you know you are who you right. That's what I mean somewhere
• 28:20
  along the lines they had to have been fucked with at some level
• 28:23
  to to have just a dramatic shift in their thinking and and
• 28:27
  because it comes down to yourself esteem all of that
• 28:29
  comes down to self esteem and your insecurities.
• 28:31
  Everybody's insecure at some level.
• 28:34
  You know everybody has has self esteem issues at some level.
• 28:37
  Nobody's, I don't care who you are, you know, nobody's,
• 28:41
  nobody's walking tall and you know the outside looking in like
• 28:46
  that Facebook thing I I shared earlier, you know, everybody's
• 28:51
  fragile. Everybody's been shaken to their
• 28:54
  core, you know what I mean? Like I could think of two or
• 28:57
  three things now that would just completely fuck my world up to
• 28:59
  the fact that that wouldn't even that wouldn't even be a
• 29:02
  hesitation of of me going back down the the drinking route just
• 29:07
  to bury one of those two things happened.
• 29:10
  And you know I'm not going to say him because it's just it's
• 29:12
  that it's that left side of a holy shit moment what would
• 29:16
  cause what would trigger me to go back down that path.
• 29:20
  And there's really two things that that could do that.
• 29:24
  No. And it.
• 29:25
  And it. And so.
• 29:26
  But that's my point, is that everybody has everybody's
• 29:30
  fragile, man. Everybody.
• 29:32
  There's something like, you can ask somebody, like, what's your
• 29:35
  greatest fear? Oh, public speaking is the #1
• 29:37
  greatest fear ever. You know, It's like people have
• 29:40
  come to terms with dying because why not?
• 29:41
  You live, you die. There's no way around that shit.
• 29:45
  Although I have been following some vampire stuff on Facebook
• 29:48
  that's interesting, you know, don't know if it's real or not
• 29:50
  because I haven't met one of them yet.
• 29:52
  But if I do, I mean, you know, you know, bite me and see if I
• 29:55
  come back. Yeah, yeah, you know, teach his
• 29:59
  own man, you know? But like, it's legit.
• 30:01
  I stumbled on it. It was one of those weird
• 30:03
  things, man, that you know how your phones listen to you, like
• 30:06
  when you're sitting around. Like, I What the fuck was it?
• 30:10
  Oh, there was something that I said that had absolutely no
• 30:15
  relevance on our lives. But it was something I looked
• 30:18
  for and I and I mentioned it to Nikki.
• 30:20
  And then all of a sudden her phone, her Facebook feed showing
• 30:23
  that shit, I'm like, well, that's because we, I said
• 30:25
  something about it, which is just weird.
• 30:28
  But I said something about there was something I think Interview
• 30:31
  with Vampire got dropped on Netflix or something and I said
• 30:34
  that out loud. Within a day, man, I started to
• 30:37
  have vampire shit on my feet. I'm like, well this is a trip
• 30:41
  and I'm, I've always been kind of, you know, I like the dark
• 30:45
  side of shit. You know, I'm I like, I'm the
• 30:47
  guy that I'm. We have that in common, you know
• 30:49
  that. You know they'll take me
• 30:50
  literally, right? Right.
• 30:52
  This whole the serial killers and the macabre and the
• 30:54
  darkness, that stuff's just fascinating for me, for more.
• 30:59
  For more than anything, you take a normal human like myself or
• 31:02
  yourself and then and somewhere along the lines there's there's
• 31:05
  just something that just treat just just pushes the button.
• 31:09
  Like the movie Falling Down with with Michael Douglas.
• 31:11
  Great. Fucking love that movie, dude
• 31:13
  falling down. I fucking love that.
• 31:16
  Movie, right? Right.
• 31:18
  If you don't love that movie, you are.
• 31:20
  Possibly defence. At all.
• 31:24
  No, at right. But that's brilliant.
• 31:27
  That's like normal everyday, normal everyday guy and he just
• 31:31
  and then boom, you know something just triggered him and
• 31:34
  that was it, man. He went, he went this way and
• 31:37
  and there was no looking back. So that's what that's what
• 31:43
  fascinates me. I almost had fantasized it was
• 31:45
  the wrong word fascinates me about about serial killers and
• 31:49
  mass murderers. It's it's it's not so much what
• 31:51
  they did the act of it. It's like what what got them
• 31:54
  there? What, what was the thing that
• 31:56
  made them turn you, you know, because a lot of it, you know,
• 32:02
  20 years ago was attributed like everybody was like if you know,
• 32:06
  when we were growing up those the pedophiles themselves were
• 32:10
  abused as children. So, you know, once an abuser
• 32:13
  becomes the once an the abusee becomes the abuser type thing,
• 32:17
  that's that vicious cycle. Well, obviously that cycle has
• 32:20
  changed in life. You know, I was fucked with for
• 32:22
  a couple years and and I didn't grow up to be that dark,
• 32:24
  twisted, you know, pedophile, child molester, and you know,
• 32:28
  all that kind of stuff because. But you could have.
• 32:30
  I had outlets, but there's people that don't have outlets.
• 32:33
  Absolutely. You know it.
• 32:37
  It there's that's the thing. It's like I had, I had the
• 32:40
  outlet of the of the writing and stuff that I think kind of put
• 32:44
  all that in check. I think that's probably one of
• 32:45
  the one of the reasons why I drank is without knowing it
• 32:49
  because I didn't realize why I was drinking when I was
• 32:51
  drinking. I'll turn my fan off.
• 32:54
  But. But, you know, looking back, I
• 32:58
  mean, I'm 19 years sober in 10 days.
• 33:03
  So it's one of those things that there was some there was
• 33:06
  something that caused me to get out of control with drinking.
• 33:09
  There's something that causes anybody to get out of trouble
• 33:11
  with with with substance abuse. There's it's not you wake up one
• 33:14
  day, oh, you know what? Today's a good day.
• 33:17
  I'm going to go get some ecstasy and see how my day works with
• 33:20
  that. Actually, that's.
• 33:24
  You know, the general public doesn't do that.
• 33:27
  Hold on. So that's a bad example.
• 33:29
  That is the one drug that you buy to see how your day goes
• 33:32
  with that. Just okay.
• 33:35
  Nobody wakes up and buys some heroin to see how their day's
• 33:37
  gonna go with that. There you go.
• 33:40
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. That's what.
• 33:42
  I'm ecstasy is made just for that.
• 33:44
  Nobody just decides oh OK see that shows you my ignorance of
• 33:49
  of you know my my level of understanding of drugs is is
• 33:53
  marijuana and then what what we had a family member go through
• 33:56
  that I watched first hand Other than that you know you know I've
• 34:01
  watched I had a guitar play and not you.
• 34:04
  One night after after practice, we went and picked up or before
• 34:08
  practice. I think they'll go picked up
• 34:09
  this guy to come join us. And you know, I was sitting out
• 34:13
  front waiting, waiting, waiting. I finally went in.
• 34:15
  I'm like, what are you fucking guys doing?
• 34:16
  And they're sitting there, you know, smoking crystal meth,
• 34:18
  which I didn't know that's what they were smoking at the time.
• 34:21
  But I was just like really like really like I just, you know,
• 34:30
  and yeah, I know you went through the battle of meth and
• 34:32
  stuff. We didn't, we weren't connected
• 34:34
  during that struggle. But it's just.
• 34:35
  No, that was after the. You and I both understand
• 34:38
  addiction, right? You and I both understand
• 34:41
  addiction. We both understand how I can get
• 34:42
  out of control. But seeing that person do that,
• 34:48
  I mean you know he was you know if I'm standing you know we're
• 34:52
  kind of there and it's just and it's just and it's just like
• 34:56
  really and and it's just slippery slope ever since for
• 34:58
  that individual from what I've heard which is.
• 35:01
  Sad. I'm actually glad you didn't
• 35:03
  have to see that from me. Musicians are challenging.
• 35:08
  Yeah, I am too. I am too.
• 35:10
  'cause it. I don't think it would have
• 35:12
  changed our relationship. I would have, I probably would
• 35:15
  have been like, what the fuck? And kind of tried to put you in
• 35:17
  your place, like what are you fucking doing?
• 35:20
  Because you know what people don't understand unless you've
• 35:24
  been in a band, the time you spend together, it's it's it's
• 35:30
  on a very intimate level because you're you're very vulnerable
• 35:33
  being in a band. Because as a as a songwriter I'm
• 35:38
  bringing out the darkness and I'm laying that down in front of
• 35:41
  three musicians saying, hey, this is what I wrote, what do
• 35:45
  you think? And the vulnerability that comes
• 35:47
  with that because you don't know how your bandmates are going to
• 35:49
  accept something you write, especially when it's something
• 35:51
  that's deep rooted and you know, dark and super interpersonal.
• 35:59
  So there's got to be that that massive level of trust.
• 36:01
  That's why a lot of people refer to bands as as a marriage,
• 36:04
  right? Because you have that massive
• 36:05
  trust and you have that massive vulnerability and it all has to
• 36:10
  gel in order for it to work. So unless you've been an
• 36:14
  abandoned experience that like we were lucky enough to have,
• 36:17
  you don't understand the concept of, you know, if I saw you smoke
• 36:21
  a crystal meth, like straight up, I I'd love you still as a
• 36:25
  brother, but I'd be like, what the fuck you doing, man?
• 36:29
  Like what the fuck? How is this appealing?
• 36:33
  I would have done. I wouldn't.
• 36:34
  I wouldn't understand that part of it.
• 36:36
  You would have done the same thing my own brother did, and he
• 36:39
  called me up and confronted me. So, you know, if you had known,
• 36:43
  you'd have done the same thing he did.
• 36:45
  He knew, and he couldn't just sit there and not do anything.
• 36:48
  And God bless him or whatever you want to say, he that night
• 36:52
  he just decided that he got enough courage in him and said,
• 36:57
  hey, I know what you're doing. Whether you want to admit it to
• 37:00
  me or not, I just want you to know that I know that you're not
• 37:04
  fooling anybody. So it meant a lot to me.
• 37:08
  I didn't bring myself up at that moment in time.
• 37:10
  But thinking back on it, you know, those are the kind of
• 37:13
  things that at least for a minute, I knew somebody cared,
• 37:17
  you know, and you don't know how much that means to a person that
• 37:21
  is that far down that really has no one.
• 37:24
  I had no one at that point that really I trusted to which is.
• 37:30
  Which is which is bad. Yeah, because there were people
• 37:36
  that would have helped me. You, my mom, my dad, my sister,
• 37:39
  my brother. I mean, it's not like I didn't
• 37:41
  have options, you know? I had options.
• 37:43
  My aunt, my uncle, like there were all my cousins.
• 37:46
  There were all kinds of options. But to me, I was so disappointed
• 37:51
  in myself that to ask for help for someone from someone that I
• 37:56
  respected on a level that you just described wasn't an option
• 38:02
  because I would have felt like such a fucking failure.
• 38:08
  Cried man. And that's that's that's the
• 38:10
  hammer, right. Oh that's yeah, exactly.
• 38:13
  It's it's it's it's the shame. It's the absolute shame when you
• 38:17
  when you when you wake up and you realize fuck, like, like
• 38:23
  when I woke up the day after the last time I was, I was just
• 38:28
  completely hammered it. It was that I woke up and I and
• 38:31
  I just knew I knew in my bones like, what the fuck did I do
• 38:36
  yesterday? Because I didn't remember all of
• 38:39
  it, but I remembered enough of it to know something has to
• 38:43
  change. And that was, I mean that was
• 38:46
  just the the simplest form in my head.
• 38:49
  Just something has to change. And it wasn't it wasn't a long
• 38:53
  drawn out. I mean it was within 48 hours,
• 38:56
  man. You know, I stopped.
• 38:58
  Everything was poured out flushed down this drop.
• 39:02
  You know poured down the sink, saved one shot, one beer.
• 39:08
  I can still see it standing in the kitchen on the House on
• 39:10
  extension. I I hit that shot while looking
• 39:12
  out the kitchen window, see in the backyard.
• 39:15
  Let that kind of just absorb and then and then nurse that beer
• 39:18
  knowing it was the last beer I was ever going to have again in
• 39:21
  my life that had alcohol in it. Mind you because now the grace
• 39:24
  of all things. Microbrewery Heineken and you
• 39:28
  know 00. But that's the thing.
• 39:31
  It's the shame. It's it's it's and you can
• 39:35
  relate, 'cause you were you were there.
• 39:37
  It's it's it's the the amount of vulnerability that it takes to
• 39:41
  come clean for an addict, knowing that everybody you talk
• 39:47
  to has every right in the world to fucking beat you down for
• 39:50
  what you put them through. And they for the most part they
• 39:54
  don't. If if they truly love who you
• 39:57
  are and care who you are about you, they just embrace that and
• 40:02
  and you know. I couldn't agree with that
• 40:05
  statement more. Right, right.
• 40:08
  They just, they're like in their head.
• 40:10
  Like, I'm sure Nikki was like fucking.
• 40:12
  It's about time. But it still took months, if not
• 40:16
  a year to actually come to terms that I could be rationalized
• 40:19
  with. I could be talked to, I could, I
• 40:21
  could have a conversation. And I wasn't just shaking my
• 40:25
  head, you know, like I was involved in it.
• 40:28
  There was a dialogue, and I'm sure you were the same way.
• 40:31
  It's like you just and then you start waking up and you're like
• 40:34
  the first day you wake up, it's like, fuck, this sucks, 'cause
• 40:36
  you still ache and you still, you still have that that desire.
• 40:42
  And then the next day and that's that's the whole thing.
• 40:44
  One day at a time. When?
• 40:45
  The day, when the day, when the week, when the week, when the
• 40:47
  month, you know. So get get 5 out of seven days
• 40:50
  where you can function without without really harboring on the
• 40:54
  chaos that's going on in your brain, 'cause it's fucking
• 40:56
  chaotic, right? When you stop.
• 40:58
  It's a battle, man. You're you got the physical
• 41:01
  aspect, you got the psychological aspect, you got
• 41:04
  the little triggers. Like, I can't watch baseball on
• 41:06
  TV anymore as it triggers me to want to drink.
• 41:09
  I used to just sit there and pound beer watching the
• 41:11
  Diamondbacks. I can't do it anymore, you know.
• 41:16
  So it had to be the same with you.
• 41:17
  Once you stop, with just the the triggers and the every day, it
• 41:22
  was a different day. And every day it was a struggle
• 41:24
  for one reason or another. Was never.
• 41:27
  That's why I moved, right? That's why I moved back here.
• 41:32
  Ah. In my mind that.
• 41:35
  Makes sense? So we, we discussed I think the
• 41:40
  last podcast or the one before that that you and I were going
• 41:43
  to continue on, put another version of Nemesis together.
• 41:46
  Yeah, we did that. We, we started succeeded to some
• 41:53
  level and then, you know, for one reason or another, I
• 41:59
  probably wasn't ready. Who knows?
• 42:00
  A lot of people weren't ready. Just it was too soon into my
• 42:04
  recovery. I haven't really processed that
• 42:07
  moment in time, so I'm not quite sure what I was thinking.
• 42:10
  I probably wasn't thinking very clearly to your point.
• 42:15
  Shortly after that I started talking to a good friend of mine
• 42:19
  that I went to school with back here and they found me on
• 42:25
  Facebook. We're going to leave them as a
• 42:27
  day. There's no reason to break in
• 42:30
  anonymity because I want I want to be able to keep telling these
• 42:33
  stories on some level but and it's nobody else's business.
• 42:37
  So they found me on Facebook and the people that know the story
• 42:40
  know the story. But anyway, I had discussed how
• 42:46
  my relationship with my parents was not good.
• 42:50
  And right there, that stopped them in their tracks.
• 42:53
  And they were heartbroken because they were also very
• 42:57
  close with my mom, for sure, because they work together.
• 43:00
  So OK, they OK. Hi mom.
• 43:07
  They pleaded with me to come home just for just to, you know,
• 43:13
  visit. So I agreed.
• 43:16
  Yeah, and I was supposed to come back here for a two week
• 43:20
  vacation in 2009. And when I got here, I was all
• 43:27
  intent on coming back to Arizona at the end of that two weeks.
• 43:31
  And by about day #10, like you said, that voice in my
• 43:38
  subconscious started getting real loud.
• 43:42
  And basically I knew that if I didn't slow myself down to a
• 43:47
  crawl that I was either going to lose my mind or go back to that
• 43:54
  kind of lifestyle. So this fit.
• 43:59
  So when you left, so when you left Arizona, how, how, how?
• 44:03
  How long? Were you clean when you left
• 44:05
  Arizona, or did you or did you wait?
• 44:07
  How long were you clean when you left Arizona?
• 44:10
  About 14 months, OK, 16 maybe. That's about a year and a half
• 44:21
  maybe. Foundation of some.
• 44:23
  Yes, I did. That you were clean.
• 44:26
  Yeah. OK, that's good.
• 44:29
  And that's. What was the What was the what
• 44:31
  was the determining factor? Yeah, yeah, I figured 100%, no
• 44:35
  pot, nothing. So what was, what was the
• 44:37
  deciding factor? Being being sober that amount of
• 44:41
  time and then going home for what was going to be two weeks.
• 44:44
  And then like you said day 10, like just something went off on
• 44:47
  your brain and said, whoa, like, what were you afraid of in
• 44:50
  returning? Was it your you didn't 'cause
• 44:53
  obviously when you got clean you had to change your surroundings,
• 44:56
  right? Aside from where you were
• 44:57
  living, you were, you changed. You hung out with things like
• 45:00
  that, correct? Correct.
• 45:02
  That's when I moved back in with Kevin.
• 45:04
  Yeah. And he basically.
• 45:08
  Which Kevin grounded you? He did and basically he saved my
• 45:13
  life because he gave me a he gave me a place where there was
• 45:21
  no judgement, there was just get well attitude.
• 45:30
  You know, I will give him credit that he cared about me on a
• 45:34
  human level, and that's why I'm sitting here talking to you.
• 45:38
  So at the point that I came here, I needed to evolve.
• 45:45
  What I think what he didn't understand and why he got mad is
• 45:49
  that it was a whole, it was a very violent exit.
• 45:53
  But it had to be that way because I had to evolve to the
• 45:55
  next level, and the next level was being a functioning member
• 46:00
  of society. Because what a lot of people
• 46:02
  that know me now don't understand is that is so hard
• 46:06
  for me that they have no idea how hard that is to be a
• 46:09
  functioning member of society. Because I don't think that way.
• 46:13
  I don't want to be a robot at the factory.
• 46:16
  I don't want to be counted on to do something at a certain moment
• 46:23
  in time all the time. Which to let my friend here know
• 46:29
  why I'm so understanding when he's got business and he's like,
• 46:32
  I'm going to be 1/2 hour late or I'm going to be an hour late.
• 46:34
  I'm always like, whatever, dude, man, whenever you're ready that,
• 46:37
  you know, I allow for that time because you have a different
• 46:40
  life than I do. And there's no reason to get
• 46:43
  upset or mad about things that are having no control.
• 46:47
  I just appreciate that you communicate with me.
• 46:49
  That's all we need. When you got communication, you
• 46:53
  got everything. Right.
• 46:54
  Wait, man. Why do you think I got into real
• 46:56
  estate? Right?
• 46:57
  But why do you think I got into real estate?
• 47:00
  Real estate is never the same. No client is the same.
• 47:03
  No trajectory is the same. I'm the same way, man.
• 47:06
  I I I could not. So reason I couldn't.
• 47:10
  I couldn't finish or I didn't finish school, which I just the
• 47:14
  college. I just.
• 47:15
  I didn't. I got tired of paying for
• 47:16
  knowledge. I'm like, this is fucked up.
• 47:19
  Why do I have to pay for knowledge?
• 47:20
  Knowledge should be free, you know?
• 47:25
  So I get that. I'm not.
• 47:26
  I'm not a nine to fiver either. Never.
• 47:27
  It never really was, you know, I even when I worked in the group
• 47:32
  homes, that was never the same. That's why I like that job,
• 47:35
  because every day was different. Every single day was different,
• 47:39
  man, 'cause you didn't know if this guy was going to go off and
• 47:42
  this guy was going to rip off the fucking insulation from
• 47:45
  water heater. Was this guy going to lift the
• 47:46
  birdbath in the backyard and throw it over his head?
• 47:48
  Was this guy going to punch this guy?
• 47:50
  It's just they were adults like us, but mentally seven years old
• 47:54
  and and it never was the same, ever.
• 47:57
  I mean just it was always something that made that day
• 48:01
  unique and that's why I like that, because it just, it was
• 48:04
  never mundane. So I get exactly what you're
• 48:06
  saying. So big to thing that, the thing
• 48:09
  that does it for me, I'll give a shout out just in general to the
• 48:15
  people that I've met there that have become some of the most
• 48:19
  hyper loyal friends I've ever had in my life.
• 48:23
  That's what makes it tolerable is knowing at least there's
• 48:27
  people you can commiserate with and one of those people talk me
• 48:32
  into doing this, or at least attempting to do this and come
• 48:37
  to find out. I guess we're pretty good at it
• 48:40
  because I keep getting a lot of positive feedback and a lot less
• 48:43
  constructive criticism. So I think we might be on to
• 48:47
  something, and you and I usually are.
• 48:50
  That's because I it always starts out rough around the
• 48:53
  edges, you know, It's because he moved his mic.
• 48:55
  Yeah, everything. That's what that's going to push
• 48:57
  us over the top. Yeah, everything, everything,
• 49:01
  man. Like, you know, first band
• 49:03
  practice was, yeah, everything's starts out rough, everything.
• 49:09
  And I think that Harkins, back to what you just said a minute
• 49:13
  ago in that to bear your soul as a creative artist, you do have
• 49:21
  to start somewhere. And the first asshole that says,
• 49:25
  I don't know, man, the the lighting's no good.
• 49:28
  I'm like, what you got to start somewhere, man, You know.
• 49:32
  Well, I don't know if the sound needs a little bit of yet.
• 49:35
  We're working on that. We're going to get there.
• 49:37
  You start your podcast and I'll constructively criticize you
• 49:40
  too. You know, I hear the same things
• 49:43
  you hear. I've been in the music sound
• 49:45
  business. I'm just talking to.
• 49:47
  I'm just talking to the constructive criticism, people I
• 49:51
  know, not you. Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 49:54
  And. And it was no, I know.
• 49:56
  I. Understood that some of the
• 49:57
  most. That's part of.
• 50:02
  Oh, yeah, Well, that's all that's that's how everything
• 50:04
  evolves though, man. Nothing.
• 50:06
  The first the first poem I ever wrote was in a high school
• 50:11
  English class. We had to write a ballot for
• 50:13
  Mrs. Christensen's English class and I I don't remember what,
• 50:18
  what it was, but I got an A. Like what the fuck?
• 50:23
  I got an A, you know, like I didn't put forth very much
• 50:27
  effort to school, 'cause I didn't like it.
• 50:29
  I I had more fun in school. I my buddy Todd and I, you know
• 50:32
  Todd, we talked about him. He and I weren't in it.
• 50:34
  We weren't we weren't clicky. So we knew everybody, man.
• 50:37
  We hung out with the stoners and the jocks and and the geeks, you
• 50:41
  know, the social outcasts, 'cause we just we just had fun.
• 50:44
  Like there wasn't, and it wasn't anything that there's nothing
• 50:49
  that he and I couldn't do in high school because we didn't
• 50:53
  give a shit. It's that, that Tom Cruise line
• 50:55
  of Risky Business. Sometimes you got to say what
• 50:57
  the fuck, you're a geek. I don't care if you, if you
• 51:01
  were, if you were a nerd, fucking help me with algebra,
• 51:03
  man. That was the approach.
• 51:05
  Like, I didn't look at somebody, you know, I had my moments
• 51:09
  because we're all assholes at certain times in high school, I
• 51:11
  remember I was a Dick to this dude that lived down the street
• 51:13
  from me and and I I remember that to this day.
• 51:16
  He said hi to me and I thought I was too cool for him and I
• 51:18
  ignored him. He said hi again.
• 51:19
  I ignored him and he walked away and I never felt good about that
• 51:23
  my entire life. And if I can ever, ever find
• 51:27
  him, man, I would like straight up apologize for being a Dick.
• 51:30
  And it was just one of those moments where I thought I was
• 51:32
  better than somebody else and I truly wasn't.
• 51:34
  And it it's one of those little things that just eat at your
• 51:36
  soul and so out of my character and so not who I am but.
• 51:41
  For whatever he's made-up for that a million times over.
• 51:43
  Like a fucking asshole. Oh, I know, but it's it's just
• 51:47
  one of those things that, you know, like that thing in the
• 51:50
  back of your head is he got a kill list, am I on his kill
• 51:52
  list? Which, which isn't really.
• 51:54
  I mean, I doubt it because he's very, really very good family,
• 51:58
  very strong values and shit. I just was an ass and I never I
• 52:02
  never tried to do that with anybody now and I never really
• 52:05
  did that after that moment. And I just it's just one of
• 52:09
  those things man a little spot and time and you.
• 52:12
  I think that's the difference of of of humanity.
• 52:15
  The people that recognize that little glitch in the matrix are
• 52:18
  good humans. The people that don't are the
• 52:20
  ones that go down that dark path and you know don't do anything
• 52:24
  positive for the world. And it's all, you know, me, me,
• 52:29
  me. You know, I agree what's right
• 52:31
  for me type thing and I don't. I don't.
• 52:34
  Yeah, I just, you know, but yeah, I think, I think, I think
• 52:39
  going back to what we were talking about, I think that
• 52:41
  vulnerability comes through when you get, when you get on the
• 52:45
  path of recovery because you you are opening up so many wounds,
• 52:51
  right. There's so many wounds.
• 52:52
  There's so many people you fractured along the way and
• 52:55
  there's no way to remember everybody you fractured because
• 52:58
  it's almost impossible, especially when you get to that
• 53:02
  level of you're just, you know, in your own world and it's like
• 53:05
  you against the world and your entire presence is about getting
• 53:09
  high or for me, getting and I never got drunk.
• 53:13
  That's what kind of sucked. For the most part.
• 53:14
  I would get comfortably numb and I had such a tolerance for.
• 53:18
  The ones I'd get comfortable. I'd go to sleep and I wouldn't
• 53:21
  wake up with a yeah, and I'd wake up.
• 53:23
  I wouldn't wake up with a hangover because for every six
• 53:26
  pack I drank, I'd drink 44 ounces of water like so.
• 53:30
  I always just being in Arizona, man, you're just so conditioned
• 53:34
  to drink water all the time, so you know, suddenly woke up
• 53:40
  hungover, you know? Well, I can remember one night
• 53:43
  in particular where I had resigned myself to the fact that
• 53:49
  I was never going to get well. So I was just done and I
• 53:54
  thought, I'm going to just, I'm going to do as much shit as I
• 53:59
  can do and I'm going to stay up for as long as I can.
• 54:02
  Stay up until I die. Yeah.
• 54:06
  My, I was not. Apparently, that was not why I
• 54:11
  was put here, because I I gave it the old college try I was up
• 54:15
  for. I remember starting on a Sunday,
• 54:18
  and I remember Saturday. Yeah, I lost a day in there
• 54:23
  somewhere, but yeah. Wow.
• 54:27
  I just kept going and going and going, unbeknownst to anyone
• 54:30
  else but me because once again, I hit it well.
• 54:33
  But that was my idea was I'm like, you know, I'm done.
• 54:36
  I just, it was too much psychologically.
• 54:39
  It was too much physically. It was too much.
• 54:42
  It was just too much. I was done.
• 54:45
  And then I was pissed at that. Didn't work.
• 54:48
  It's draining. It's.
• 54:49
  It's draining being right. It's draining being an addict,
• 54:52
  man, because all the shit you have to hide.
• 54:55
  I it just, I would hide, which it wasn't really hidden.
• 54:59
  I put a bottle of Jack and a brown bag in the outdoor in the
• 55:02
  garage freezer behind a bag of ice.
• 55:05
  You know, thinking I was being slick.
• 55:06
  She knew it was there. I would hit her.
• 55:10
  She had this sky vodka that tasted like citrus and another
• 55:14
  flavor. And I would hit that, and then
• 55:17
  genius that I am right, genius that I was, I'd add water to it.
• 55:21
  So, you know, long behold, we're having a.
• 55:23
  Party. Weekend and you know pull all,
• 55:27
  pull the vodka out of the freezer like, hey Nikki, you
• 55:29
  know why Why is this? Why is this vodka frozen?
• 55:32
  Man, you know just stupid shit that that you don't think in
• 55:39
  your head. You're rationalizing.
• 55:41
  Well, OK, if I if I do a couple shots of this vodka, I got to
• 55:44
  fill it back up with something so she doesn't know I'm drinking
• 55:47
  it. Like, you know, I think about
• 55:49
  the fact your pores are exuding booze.
• 55:52
  You know, you're sweating Jack Daniels and Budweiser, but Nah,
• 55:55
  nobody's going to notice, man. You know it's one of those.
• 56:00
  It's just it's it's that's the one thing I'll tell you when I
• 56:05
  when I finally got sober, when I was at a, when I was, you know,
• 56:09
  I'd say, you know, a month away from it, I hit that wall of just
• 56:13
  exhaustion where I slept a lot, you know, just I just slept and
• 56:17
  I slept good and I slept through the night because I was no
• 56:20
  longer. I was no longer withdrawing.
• 56:24
  For the most part. I still had those urges.
• 56:27
  Like every day for years, man, 3:00 would come up and then my
• 56:30
  mouth would start salivating because that's when I'd get
• 56:32
  home, because that's where I had to start taking care of the
• 56:34
  kids. And I'd hit.
• 56:36
  I'd hit. This is going to sound bad, but
• 56:38
  I'd hit from the freezer, Jack. I'd mouthful of that, go Polish
• 56:43
  off 3 beers, finish whatever I had to do before she took off.
• 56:47
  And I kind of took control of everything about 5:00.
• 56:50
  And I, you know, I'd been drinking for two hours, you
• 56:53
  know, but I wasn't. I wasn't out of control.
• 56:57
  I was because I had such a tolerance that I just survived,
• 57:00
  you know, and everything was fun.
• 57:01
  I was fun, Dad, you know. And that was my problem.
• 57:09
  You know, until the bitter end, I just maintained all the time,
• 57:13
  you know, I can hang with the best of them.
• 57:15
  And the problem is, is I was partying with the day shift and
• 57:18
  the night shift and that's where Speed became your best friend
• 57:23
  was, you know, I had AI had a group of people I was supposed
• 57:27
  to be working with, and then I had a group of people that I was
• 57:31
  supposed to be putting a band together with.
• 57:33
  So I'm going all day and all night, and you can only do that
• 57:36
  for so long before it grabs you and won't let you go.
• 57:41
  And that's a brutal addiction. You know, that's that's not
• 57:44
  something you're just that's the other thing is I'm lucky I
• 57:46
  survived the recovery because I just quit, man.
• 57:51
  And I got super sick for a long time.
• 57:57
  I wasn't sure I was going to. Make it through that.
• 57:58
  I think it it, I think it speaks a lot volumes of your character
• 58:04
  and your will to just stop on a dime.
• 58:06
  Because I stopped on a dime too, like just ripped it off like a
• 58:10
  bandit. I knew I had to stop, so I
• 58:11
  stopped. I did the same.
• 58:12
  Thing I have amazing willpower, man.
• 58:14
  I don't remember what year. Yeah, well, that's what I'm
• 58:17
  saying. So it's it's just you reached
• 58:19
  that moment where you know, that's the thing for people that
• 58:22
  listen to this you cannot tell an addict to stop.
• 58:27
  They won't listen to you. They will put up their defenses.
• 58:29
  They'll build a wall and that wall will keep you from being
• 58:33
  able to penetrate and get through to them at any other
• 58:36
  time in the future. So you just.
• 58:38
  They will not talk to you anymore.
• 58:39
  You have to listen to them, You have to talk to, right?
• 58:43
  So best advice is you love them, you listen to them, You have
• 58:46
  conversations with them, You don't enable them, don't give
• 58:50
  them if you know, don't give them money, don't give them
• 58:54
  access to booze and shit like that.
• 58:55
  You just, whatever their demon is, just be there for them.
• 58:59
  And eventually they will come around you and they will start
• 59:02
  opening that can of worms that you know, oh, I had a shitty
• 59:05
  day. I woke up, you know, felt like
• 59:06
  crap because of da da, da da da da.
• 59:09
  That's your invitation to start talking.
• 59:11
  That's your invitation to start having a dialogue without
• 59:14
  pointing fingers. It's a it's a slippery slope and
• 59:16
  it's hard to do. Nikki could tell a complete
• 59:18
  stranger slash regular, you've had too much.
• 59:22
  And they would listen to her. She'd cut them off back, then
• 59:24
  call them a cab. They go home from the bar.
• 59:29
  She probably told me till she's blue in the face.
• 59:31
  You drink too much, right? You know you're blue in the
• 59:34
  face. You you drink too much.
• 59:35
  You drink too much. I'm fucking fine.
• 59:36
  You'd have no idea what you're talking about.
• 59:38
  I've only had three. Well, I really had 10, you know,
• 59:42
  it's just, you know, you don't. You lose counting.
• 59:45
  Alcoholics are great at counting, but they they count
• 59:52
  the alcoholic way. So you know, they lose track
• 59:55
  after about 3 and then that seems to be the magic number as
• 59:59
  they continue drinking for the evening.
• 1:00:01
  Well, I've only had three because that's the last thing
• 1:00:04
  you remember having, you know? It's.
• 1:00:08
  Pretty slow man. Don't do it.
• 1:00:09
  Just you. Just don't do it if you for.
• 1:00:13
  The listening audience at home that's playing along with the
• 1:00:17
  Mike is a recovering addict and he's always drinking and talking
• 1:00:22
  about smoking pot. I don't have a problem with
• 1:00:25
  either one of those, in case you're concerned.
• 1:00:28
  And nobody loves life more than I do, and nobody at this moment
• 1:00:33
  in time, and nobody is happier to be doing a podcast with
• 1:00:37
  somebody that he called his brother and shared the stage
• 1:00:40
  over 1000 times with. I love life, man.
• 1:00:45
  And I have rules. So like during the week and
• 1:00:48
  anybody that knows me on a level that you do now, that live, that
• 1:00:52
  lives around me, that knows me, they know that I have serious
• 1:00:55
  rules. Like during the week I'm
• 1:00:57
  drinking this beer right here and I'm going to have one with
• 1:01:00
  my dinner and that's it. I'm done.
• 1:01:03
  And I never deviate from that unless it's a Saturday night and
• 1:01:07
  I'm out at the bar and you know, 2-3 times a year I might go
• 1:01:12
  crazy, but on a regular basis I I just started to realize that I
• 1:01:19
  like catching a buzz, but I don't like feeling like shit.
• 1:01:24
  So the same 180 switch that flipped in you and I, that
• 1:01:29
  caused us to get well, it almost.
• 1:01:34
  I had that same kind of epiphany where like, you know, I like
• 1:01:38
  feeling this way. So why don't I get to that point
• 1:01:41
  and not ever do any more? Because there's no reason to do
• 1:01:45
  more. More leads to bad things, right?
• 1:01:49
  I learned how to have fun with it.
• 1:01:50
  That's what I'm getting. It's.
• 1:01:51
  Kind of like that thing. Yeah.
• 1:01:55
  Yeah, it's it's, yeah, I get, it's like that's, you know,
• 1:01:58
  nothing good happens after 10:00 at night when you're on the
• 1:02:00
  road. Correct.
• 1:02:01
  You know, nothing good if you leave in their house at 10:00.
• 1:02:05
  That's way too fucking late. It's nothing's good's going to
• 1:02:07
  happen that night, you know. You know when you know when mom
• 1:02:12
  slash K listens to this, She's going to love you because she
• 1:02:16
  always said nothing good happens after midnight.
• 1:02:19
  So now she's going to say, oh, well, you know what Big world,
• 1:02:23
  famous rock star legend, singer of Nemesis says nothing good
• 1:02:28
  happens after 10:00. Kids, it's your ass home.
• 1:02:32
  It's your ass home 10:00. Oh yeah, she'll love that.
• 1:02:35
  If yeah, yeah, you know, especially if you're just
• 1:02:41
  leaving the house. Like, what the fuck?
• 1:02:43
  Why you just leaving the house at 10:00?
• 1:02:46
  You know Jake does that shit. But you know he he has a
• 1:02:49
  purpose. He's going.
• 1:02:50
  We know where he's going. He's not going when he's in
• 1:02:53
  town, obviously he's on leave. He's just going to friends, you
• 1:02:57
  know, He's not going out and he's got to go out, out like he
• 1:03:00
  went when he was here. He went to downtown Scottsdale a
• 1:03:03
  couple times with his buddies with, you know, that's like 6-7
• 1:03:05
  o'clock. They leave.
• 1:03:06
  You know, they're going out, you know.
• 1:03:08
  But yeah, unless, unless, unless you have a purpose to leave the
• 1:03:13
  house After 10, nothing good happens.
• 1:03:15
  After 10, you know, you could, you know, I'd rather be home and
• 1:03:18
  be naked with my wife. Just saying.
• 1:03:21
  Well, you know, given that option, but I will say, when I
• 1:03:27
  was Jake's age, I was probably out till four or five.
• 1:03:30
  Yeah, we didn't get done playing.
• 1:03:33
  We didn't get done playing gigs till 1:00 in the morning,
• 1:03:36
  sometimes 2. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:03:40
  And the only reason I would leave is because I had, we had
• 1:03:43
  Sky. So, you know, I had to get up,
• 1:03:46
  you know? Yeah, and then from.
• 1:03:48
  Getting in a lot of more trouble I think.
• 1:03:50
  And then Scott had to go home, 'cause he had Carrie and the
• 1:03:53
  kids, and then Rick had to go home, 'cause he had Carrie.
• 1:03:57
  And then Mike met a bunch of interesting people that he will
• 1:04:01
  entertain you with stories on future podcasts about what he
• 1:04:05
  did when he left them. Shows cause.
• 1:04:08
  Yep. I ended up in some crazy
• 1:04:10
  situations. I yeah yeah look at so next
• 1:04:16
  podcast we're going to talk about one of we're going to have
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  a conversation about mice crazy situation.
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  You think about a good crazy situation for next.
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  Next show I'll. Think of a good one.
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  Yeah, for. All right.
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  Cool. What?
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  Do you got for your top 11 list buddy?
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  Let's talk about. I have top 11 go back top
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  where'd you go? Where's Mike Michaels top eleven
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  female rock band and or artists so and the reason why I say band
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  because there's there's girl there's all girl bands like the
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  Runaways is one of my top because it's the Runaways they
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  have to be all female band which which which gave us which gave
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  us some of my single women artists.
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  Lita Ford and Joan Jett. Joan Jett, right.
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  I don't remember. I don't know who else is in that
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  band, but those two, Those two went on and had very successful
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  solo projects for females for sure.
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  Yes, they did. Then we have Pat Benatar, Love
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  Pat Benatar. You know, Pat Benatar was the, I
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  think, the third video MTV ever played.
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  I do. I think it.
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  Was promises in the I think it was Promises in the Dark love.
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  I love female voices, man. They have me too.
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  Women's singers are so underrated on a whole, but they
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  have such a dynamic range and they they can get the like I I
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  really like right now, like a couple bands in this moment and
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  Hailstorm. Hailstorm's been around.
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  A while in this moment just came out a a few a few years ago.
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  I just discovered them a couple years ago but their voices are
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  just. I could just listen to their
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  their music all the time because it's just the voice, man.
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  I'm being a singer. I'm drawn with lyrics and I'm
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  drawn with voice. I'm drawn with with the range
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  and and just as weird as it sounds, I've all just if to be a
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  female singer like Eddie Van Halen wanted.
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  Patti Smite from Scandal when David left.
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  Remember that. I do remember.
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  Champion to get Patti Smite in the band, Yeah, because the
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  dynamic that she would have brought to the table and the
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  range she would have brought to the table.
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  You just hit the dynamics. And the range, Yeah, yeah.
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  And I think Sammy was a good fit after that because Sammy had
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  such a better range than Dave will ever even attempt to have.
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  Sammy's range was like a chick for sure.
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  He hit some high fucking. Notes, Right.
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  That's what I'm saying. It was Eddie.
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  Eddie. Found his chick and Sammy Heck.
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  Logical choice. Yeah, right.
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  Exactly. Hey we got a check for the.
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  And I don't think Van Halen would have been, yeah, I don't
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  think Van Van Halen would have been Van Halen had Patty Smite
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  joined, you know? So I'm sure David Lee Roth,
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  And David Lee Roth and Wolfgang, you know, David's being an ass,
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  you know, like he always is. But I read this this article
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  from Blabbermouth about how Dave basically thinks Wolfgang's a
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  piece of shit and Wolfgang's like, you know, basically saying
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  fuck you dude. Like, I'm not releasing
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  anything. I'm not doing anything of of my
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  dad's stuff because it's not up to me.
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  And it came to light in this interview that Alex is the one.
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  Yeah, he's Alex. Is the business.
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  According I read that anyway. Like he's the business of the
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  Yeah. OK.
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  So he's the That surprised me that Alex was the business of
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  the band. Why?
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  Would that surprise you know? What?
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  I mean like I wouldn't have expected that at I because I
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  just. I wouldn't have expected it.
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  I would. Have It's the brothers, man.
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  I would have thought him and Eddie were kind of, well, that's
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  what I'm saying. I would have thought the two
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  headed monster were completely in control, but the way Wolfgang
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  spun, that was it was always. Alex.
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  Eddie. Always Alex.
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  Eddie wouldn't want it. Michael did his thing.
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  Yeah, right. Dave did his thing.
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  Then Sammy did his thing and Alex was the one that drove the
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  band. He's he's like the nonsense I
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  had to do in the band. Just like Lars did for
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  Metallica. Put the shows together right, It
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  just it's just those. I wasn't expecting it, I guess.
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  I did all that shit in the beginning, too, man.
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  But it was like I didn't want to do any of that.
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  So I eventually hired Dave Glazer as our manager.
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  I I didn't want to book all them fucking gigs and handle money
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  and fuck all that. I want to play guitar.
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  Well, well, I know I. Know.
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  Just like we'll hire ACFO when Spotify offers us $100 million
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  to do this right? Right, right.
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  OK. Yeah.
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  So who do you got for your, Was that all of them?
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  I think I had Joan Jett, Pat Benatar, the Runaways leader 4,
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  Janis Joplin, you mentioned heart which I don't know how I
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  fucking even think of heart and and Nancy Wilson, I mean they
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  talk about pioneers like pioneers and and you know and
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  they've been the Runaways, you know I think open up a lot for
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  for for female musicians especially in the rock world.
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  I mean, you have all the pop stuff, but we're not talking
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  about pop because that's a whole another genre.
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  They definitely opened a lot of doors.
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  In the top 11 because that's, that's because that's six,
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  right, that's, that's and there's no specific order at all
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  but it was, it was the Runaways, the Runaways, Pat Benatar, Joan
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  Jett, Lita Ford Hart, Janis Choppa.
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  So that's six. What about like throw?
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  Into this top 11 in no particular order.
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  What about Stevie Nicks? Yeah, I get you have to you have
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  to do Stevie Nicks. She's rock Fleetwood Mac.
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  I mean she's not. She's not.
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  Well, yeah. Because then she did solo,
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  right. She did do solo after doing
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  after doing Fleetwood Mac. So yeah, I would say that she's
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  got a very, a very unique voice you know Stevie Nicks when you
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  hear it, there's no mistaking that.
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  So she's she's put her, she's put her stamp on the industry
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  for sure. And you made sure to mention
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  Janis Tapplin in there too, right?
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  OK, so my OK she's. The only one I can think of from
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  the 60s. So since Janice is on the list,
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  I'm going to mention an old one and a new one.
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  So, Grace Slick, OK. OK, right.
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  Oh yeah. And tied in with grace.
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  Or was it Jefferson? Yeah.
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  It was Jefferson Airplane back then, when they became silly, it
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  was Jefferson Starship. No, no, no, no, no.
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  No, it was Starship. Yeah, yeah.
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  By the way, what? Other way.
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  Fuck, I don't know. Now you got me confused.
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  Anyway, I. Don't have it?
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  No, it's all good. Just.
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  They they were they were cool with Grace, Slick and the dude.
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  I can't think of his name either.
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  Anyway, 70s cool. Mickey.
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  Thomas. Mickey.
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  Yes, Mickey Thomas. Thank you.
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  Yes, 70's cool. 80's not cool. Yeah, another band.
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  Exactly. That is not the same as
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  Hailstorm, but they're a newer band that you should check out
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  is The Pretty Reckless. I love their stuff.
• 1:11:17
  OK, so that's that's Taylor. Mom's one that I mentioned.
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  Yeah, yeah. OK.
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  Yeah, that's OK. I'll check you'll like them.
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  Good grooving music. Man.
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  And I I remember that. I, I, yeah, I remember I I
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  mentioned Evanescence when we were chatting about that
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  texting. And that's another great one.
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  It's a female vocalist, right? Yeah.
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  Yeah. Amy.
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  Amy Lee, right? Yep.
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  Amy Lee. I think that's her name.
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  Yes. Yeah.
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  That's her. Yeah.
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  So that's, what, 10? Is that 1011?
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  Yeah, so we got we got Janis Joplin, a Grace Slick, Pat
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  Benatar. Runaways, Lita Ford, Joan Jett,
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  Stevie Nicks, Anna, Nancy Wilson slash Hart.
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  What am I missing? There's 8.
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  Taylor Momsen, Which is The Pretty Reckless.
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  Oh yeah, The Pretty Pretty Reckless, right.
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  Pretty Reckless. So we got two more to round out
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  this 11. Early rock'n'roll would be Linda
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  Ronstadt. Yeah, yeah.
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  Oh, Oh, yeah. You're no good.
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  Yeah, we talked about that a couple weeks ago.
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  Where the the her. Her backing band was the Eagles.
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  Correct. Got Throw her with the Eagles.
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  Yeah. Linda Ronstadt.
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  Yeah. What about Tanya Tucker?
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  She was kind of, she was comfy, but she kind of ended up being
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  mainstream, you know? If we were going to go that.
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  Mainstream. And she had that bad girl aside
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  to her. If we were going to go that far
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  out in left field, I would give Carol King an honorary mention
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  just because she's so cool. Or Karen Carpenter.
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  Karen Carpenter. Yeah, that's true, Karen.
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  There you go. Oh, the Mamas and the Papas from
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  the 60s. Oh, there you go.
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  That's a good one, Chick. Yeah, yeah.
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  Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
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  There you go. That's it.
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  We got top. 11 female slash vocalist bands.
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  We got there, right? Yeah, we got there.
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  That's, you know, it's because it's what we do.
• 1:13:22
  It ain't always pretty, but it works.
• 1:13:24
  This is, it's not. This is the Christian Mike show.
• 1:13:28
  He's the guitar guy. I'm the guy in shades.
• 1:13:29
  And for those of you don't realize it, just look at that
• 1:13:32
  backwards And this says the exact same thing.
• 1:13:36
  And since I don't have my contacts and I can't see it.
• 1:13:40
  Exactly. So next show you're going to
• 1:13:43
  come up with one of your post show adventures and you're going
• 1:13:46
  to we're going to lead with that story.
• 1:13:48
  Right on, man. I like story time.
• 1:13:51
  I like story time. We can do lots of.
• 1:13:53
  Stories. Cool.
• 1:13:55
  Good show. Absolutely.
• 1:13:57
  Everybody, thank you for listening.
• 1:13:58
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• 1:14:02
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• 1:14:04
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• 1:14:09
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